My Manastone Adventure By The Numbers

[Ataria]

As promised.. and for others looking to parse data or whatnot.. I finally got it all put into a spreadsheet.

By the way, here is the thread where I took my first step, knowing I was in for an adventure: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340955

Below is start/end time. Note: I was there maybe 1 or 2 spawns prior to keeping track. I think it dawned on me it may be interesting to keep data. I was also in the zone trying to get an invis to get to camp for 2-3 hours which ties into the /played time.

My overall thoughts: Definitely not for those who have yet to pull an allnighter, but then, some have been very lucky. I know soon after I left, 3 dropped practically back to back, and one person received one after only being there an hour! The #1 attribute you will need though is endurance, but this is not an absolute. I found it to be quite a challenge, the experience, if you're inclined is worth more than the pixels... but I really wanted the pixels :p I also have always been the type of person to go for the impossible goal, and the more it seems impossible to everyone else, the more I want it. As soon as I saw I may be able to have a manastone I just knew I was going to go all out. Unfortunately, I did not have the luck of the draw, I had to rely on physical and mental endurance, my in game ascent of everest... no regrets.

Started: 11/13 11:12 PM
Ended: 11/16 11:39 PM .
TOTAL: (/played) 2 day 22 hours, 51 mins. (Screenshot at end)

Kept track of spawns, times, drops etc.

Note: I started at #10 on the list, but in this time there was not 10 manastones dropping, I mostly moved up due to people falling asleep, missing the click, etc.

1 13-Nov 11:12 PM POP MANASTONE
2 13-Nov 11:40 PM PH
3 14-Nov 12:08 AM PH
4 14-Nov 12:36 AM POP bag
5 14-Nov 1:08 AM PH
6 14-Nov 1:36 AM PH
7 14-Nov 2:04 AM POP bag
8 14-Nov 2:32 AM PH
9 14-Nov 3:01 AM PH
10 14-Nov 3:29 AM POP bag
11 14-Nov 3:59 AM POP bag
12 14-Nov 4:27 AM PH
13 14-Nov 4:55 AM POP bag
14 14-Nov 5:23 AM POP bag
15 14-Nov 5:54 AM PH
16 14-Nov 6:22 AM POP bag
17 14-Nov 6:50 AM PH
18 14-Nov 7:18 AM POP bag
19 14-Nov 7:47 AM PH
20 14-Nov 8:15 AM PH
21 14-Nov 8:44 AM PH
22 14-Nov 9:12 AM POP bag
23 14-Nov 9:41 AM PH
24 14-Nov 10:10 AM POP bag
25 14-Nov 10:38 AM POP Eye Stalks
26 14-Nov 11:07 AM POP bag
27 14-Nov 11:35 AM PH
28 14-Nov 12:04 PM PH
29 14-Nov 12:32 PM PH
30 14-Nov 1:00 PM POP bag
31 14-Nov 1:28 PM PH
32 14-Nov 1:58 PM PH
33 14-Nov 2:24 PM PH
34 14-Nov 2:55 PM PH
35 14-Nov 3:23 PM PH
36 14-Nov 3:52 PM PH
37 14-Nov 4:20 PM POP bag
38 14-Nov 4:48 PM PH
39 14-Nov 5:17 PM POP bag
40 14-Nov 5:45 PM PH
41 14-Nov 6:15 PM PH
42 14-Nov 6:43 PM POP bag
43 14-Nov 7:11 PM POP Eye Stalks
44 14-Nov 7:40 PM PH
45 14-Nov 8:08 PM POP bag
46 14-Nov 8:37 PM POP bag
47 14-Nov 9:06 PM POP bag
48 14-Nov 9:34 PM PH
49 14-Nov 10:03 PM PH
50 14-Nov 10:31 PM PH
51 14-Nov 10:59 PM PH
52 14-Nov 11:29 PM PH
53 14-Nov 11:57 PM POP bag
54 15-Nov 12:25 AM POP Bag & Eye Stalks
55 15-Nov 12:53 AM PH
56 15-Nov 1:21 AM PH
57 15-Nov 1:50 AM PH
58 15-Nov 2:18 AM PH
59 15-Nov 2:47 AM POP bag
60 15-Nov 3:15 AM PH
61 15-Nov 3:44 AM POP bag
62 15-Nov 4:12 AM POP bag
63 15-Nov 4:41 AM PH
64 15-Nov 5:09 AM PH
65 15-Nov 5:39 AM POP bag
66 15-Nov 6:07 AM POP Bag & Eye Stalks
67 15-Nov 6:35 AM POP bag
68 15-Nov 7:03 AM POP bag
69 15-Nov 7:33 AM POP bag
70 15-Nov 8:01 AM POP bag
71 15-Nov 8:30 AM PH
72 15-Nov 8:58 AM PH
73 15-Nov 9:27 AM PH
74 15-Nov 9:56 AM POP bag
75 15-Nov 10:24 AM PH
76 15-Nov 10:53 AM POP bag
77 15-Nov 11:20 AM POP bag
78 15-Nov 11:48 AM PH
79 15-Nov 12:18 PM PH
80 15-Nov 12:46 PM PH
81 15-Nov 1:15 PM PH
82 15-Nov 1:44 PM POP bag
83 15-Nov 2:12 PM PH
84 15-Nov 2:30 PM POP bag
85 15-Nov 3:10 PM POP bag
86 15-Nov 3:38 PM PH
87 15-Nov 4:07 PM PH
88 15-Nov 4:35 PM POP bag
89 15-Nov 5:03 PM PH
90 15-Nov 5:31 PM POP bag
91 15-Nov 5:59 PM PH
92 15-Nov 6:29 PM POP MANASTONE
93 15-Nov 6:57 PM PH
94 15-Nov 7:25 PM POP bag
95 15-Nov 7:53 PM PH
96 15-Nov 8:22 PM POP bag
97 15-Nov 8:51 PM POP MANASTONE
98 15-Nov 9:20 PM POP bag, nunch of optic nerves
99 15-Nov 9:48 PM PH
100 15-Nov 10:17 PM PH
101 15-Nov 10:46 PM PH
102 15-Nov 11:14 PM PH
103 15-Nov 11:44 PM PH
104 16-Nov 12:12 AM POP bag
105 16-Nov 12:41 AM PH
106 16-Nov 1:09 AM PH
107 16-Nov 1:39 AM PH
108 16-Nov 2:07 AM PH
109 16-Nov 2:36 AM PH
110 16-Nov 3:05 AM PH
111 16-Nov 3:33 AM PH
112 16-Nov 4:01 AM PH
113 16-Nov 4:29 AM PH
114 16-Nov 4:57 AM PH
115 16-Nov 5:26 AM POP MANASTONE
116 16-Nov 5:54 AM PH
117 16-Nov 6:23 AM PH
118 16-Nov 6:52 AM PH
119 16-Nov 7:20 AM PH
120 16-Nov 7:49 AM PH
121 16-Nov 8:16 AM PH
122 16-Nov 8:46 AM PH
123 16-Nov 9:15 AM POP bag
124 16-Nov 9:43 AM POP bag
125 16-Nov 10:11 AM pop bag
126 16-Nov 10:41 AM PH
127 16-Nov 11:10 AM POP bag
128 16-Nov 11:38 AM PH
129 16-Nov 12:06 PM PH
130 16-Nov 12:34 PM PH
131 16-Nov 1:03 PM PH
132 16-Nov 1:32 PM POP bag
133 16-Nov 2:01 PM PH
134 16-Nov 2:29 PM POP bag
135 16-Nov 2:57 PM PH
136 16-Nov 3:27 PM PH
137 16-Nov 3:55 PM PH
138 16-Nov 4:25 PM PH
139 16-Nov 4:53 PM PH
140 16-Nov 5:24 PM PH
141 16-Nov 5:52 PM PH
142 16-Nov 6:20 PM PH
143 16-Nov 6:50 PM PH
144 16-Nov 7:18 PM PH
145 16-Nov 7:46 PM PH
146 16-Nov 8:16 PM POP bag
147 16-Nov 8:45 PM PH
148 16-Nov 9:14 PM PH
149 16-Nov 9:42 PM PH
150 16-Nov 10:12 PM POP bag
151 16-Nov 10:40 PM POP bag
152 16-Nov 11:08 PM POP MANASTONE

[Phaezed-Reality]

congrats, well deserved, i have been trying to tell people these items are for powerful people and powerful people alone, one does not simply list a legacy item and expect to get it. unless you are one of us. and KNOW you are getting it. We need more posts like this, would unclog the lists of people who just show up for 6 hours and think they are going to get a legacy item.


it's for us pros only guys - brother ramal

[Videri]

You are such a legend. Surely Geezer helped you out with this ordeal?

Thanks for posting the data. I can't do it right now, but at some point, let's parse this data for:
Percentage of frogs versus eyes
Percentage of manastone loot on the eyes

[jacob54311]

congrats, well deserved, i have been trying to tell people these items are for powerful people and powerful people alone, one does not simply list a legacy item and expect to get it. unless you are one of us. and KNOW you are getting it. We need more posts like this, would unclog the lists of people who just show up for 6 hours and think they are going to get a legacy item.


it's for us pros only guys - brother ramal

As a super casual type player myself, I have no problem with items like manastone being pretty much unattainable unless you are a hardcore player capable of camping it for 24-50 hours.

The games perfectly playable without that stuff.

[Uuruk]

Glad you are putting your physical and mental endurance to the test over a 20 year old elf emulator.

[Ataria]

You are such a legend. Surely Geezer helped you out with this ordeal?

Thanks for posting the data. I can't do it right now, but at some point, let's parse this data for:
Percentage of frogs versus eyes
Percentage of manastone loot on the eyes

Negative- He was in charge of poopsocks.

Yeah someone else can do the parsing. I just collected the data, then went into a coma. Please disregard any typos- Excel kept wanting to change my AM and PM labels and so I had to type each one manually and unsure if I missed any.

[Ataria]

As a super casual type player myself, I have no problem with items like manastone being pretty much unattainable unless you are a hardcore player capable of camping it for 24-50 hours.

The games perfectly playable without that stuff.

It really is. I have not used it much yet. Well, I haven't been playing too much since, work has been pretty busy right now due to the season. But I really do not see it as essential whatsoever. And I do not see not having one would make me less of a cleric, either. It's a fun toy, and with my mindset, it was a challenge I could not pass up.

[Space]

Looks like manastone probably 10% chance to drop when eye. Eye is maybe 25% based off this data. Therefore 2.5% chance any given spawn. At a 28 min spawn time, to have a 50% chance of getting it would take 27 spawns, so avg camp should be 12.6 hours.

[TripSin]

pretty much unattainable unless you are a hardcore player capable of camping it for 24-50 hours.

The games perfectly playable without that stuff.

don't you have to hecking sleep?

[Swyftfingers]

2.5% - Sounds about right...12 hours per stone, minimum line length = 3-4 people on teal, so expect 48+ hours camping the dumb thing. 10% drop rate is total conjecture on the part of the Devs. No one remembers it dropping this rarely at launch. There was a nerf to the drop rate, which I would expect is near what the current drop rate on green/teal is experiencing. They are going on speculation ie. pulling numbers out of their ass.

[jacob54311]

don't you have to hecking sleep?

Yes. That's one reason why I'm not camping the manastone.

[SamwiseRed]

This cannot be real.

[Glasken]

Adding some of my own numbers for a 33ish hour camp:

EE Camp Begin, 1am PST Nov22 2019
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye bag
Eye Stone
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Eye bag
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Frog
Eye bag

[jlxharville]

Not much on this server is classic. Not sure why this is surprising.

[Tilien]

congrats, well deserved, i have been trying to tell people these items are for powerful people and powerful people alone, one does not simply list a legacy item and expect to get it. unless you are one of us. and KNOW you are getting it. We need more posts like this, would unclog the lists of people who just show up for 6 hours and think they are going to get a legacy item.


it's for us pros only guys - brother ramal

You mean pros who use screen sharing to have other people camp it for you?

[zodium]

if the manastone drop rare was truly this low, we would need to have collected drop rate logs from like three classic servers day zero to removal of legacy items to confidently know it is in fact this low

methodology is fun

[Solist]

The magic of being a dev for a server where you were 12 when you played the game, and you're recreating an imagine of what you think you were playing. This has been the case on P1999 for as long as memory goes back on this server, it's simply a recreation of how rogean 'saw' norrath, not how it was.

And despite other evidence of all types, your anecdotal experience for how FD works, how sneak works, how invis and rogues works, how drop rates were, where spawns where, what spawns existed is solely from your pubescent memory; means your server ends up like this.

Which is fine, as it's as good as the price we pay for it. And it's been 7 years and 4 corrupt GM's since I've donated, so who's to say we have a right to complain :p

[RipVanFish]

Did you seriously just call this an experience worth having without the actual manastone? That is beyond fucked.

[jacob54311]

The magic of being a dev for a server where you were 12 when you played the game, and you're recreating an imagine of what you think you were playing. This has been the case on P1999 for as long as memory goes back on this server, it's simply a recreation of how rogean 'saw' norrath, not how it was.

And despite other evidence of all types, your anecdotal experience for how FD works, how sneak works, how invis and rogues works, how drop rates were, where spawns where, what spawns existed is solely from your pubescent memory; means your server ends up like this.

Which is fine, as it's as good as the price we pay for it. And it's been 7 years and 4 corrupt GM's since I've donated, so who's to say we have a right to complain :p

To be that bitter and resentful towards people who keep this project going on a volunteer basis, I don't understand. People like yourself are why the expression "no good deed goes unpunished" exists.

Anyway, I'm sure more goes into their decision making than one guys memories.

[RipVanFish]

The magic of being a dev for a server where you were 12 when you played the game, and you're recreating an imagine of what you think you were playing. This has been the case on P1999 for as long as memory goes back on this server, it's simply a recreation of how rogean 'saw' norrath, not how it was.

And despite other evidence of all types, your anecdotal experience for how FD works, how sneak works, how invis and rogues works, how drop rates were, where spawns where, what spawns existed is solely from your pubescent memory; means your server ends up like this.

Which is fine, as it's as good as the price we pay for it. And it's been 7 years and 4 corrupt GM's since I've donated, so who's to say we have a right to complain :p

Yea this guy is a piece of work lol.

[Bazia]

you just have your friends on green screenshare your teal toon and cover the 30 hours, not that hard

[vossiewulf]

Godspeed to the Stoners.

[Kerwin 5.0]

y i k e s

[skorge]

not classic

[Phaezed-Reality]

You mean pros who use screen sharing to have other people camp it for you?

have not listed for manastone yet, will soon, still recovering from my 26 hour jboot camp. 18 earings. was a fun time. But i absolutely hating seeing people showing up for 6 6 hours and u cant tell them anything like yo man, this is not for u if u cant stay up and like. i hate to say it but elite tier players are the only people that can camp this stuff. that and meth heads.


also have not screen shared, don't need to, This is everquest, i have lived here for 20 years..... 60 hours is nothing to to me, i have raced to 60 over 2 weeks on coffee. I enjoy this game for a reason, pure playtime and being good at the game shoots u ahead of the bad and makes the game super enjoyable because it puts you so far ahead the only people you are playing with are also other good players, which furthers your progression even more instead of being bogged down in antonican pox trains.

[Evets]

Living in your parents basement in EQ opposed to having a full time job and a real world life aren't what make you good at EQ IMO.

Maybe i'm just jealous.

I think I'll concentrate on leveling first and then camping toys when half the population gets bored and leaves at least halving the wait times..

[Hazek]

Living in your parents basement in EQ opposed to having a full time job and a real world life aren't what make you good at EQ IMO.

Maybe i'm just jealous.

I think I'll concentrate on leveling first and then camping toys when half the population gets bored and leaves at least halving the wait times..

When I got rank 14 in WoW I had a full time job but i'd come home and lead a premade every waking hour and get about 4 hours of sleep for months. And when I was off on Tuesday i'd stay up two nights in a row sometimes before honor reset and all without any caffeine or drugs and never sharing my account. Sure I had "no life" at the time but that's how bad I wanted to hit High Warlord. Just depends on priorities. If you want a manastone then find some time off and grind it out.

[chevy79bu]

The magic of being a dev for a server where you were 12 when you played the game, and you're recreating an imagine of what you think you were playing. This has been the case on P1999 for as long as memory goes back on this server, it's simply a recreation of how rogean 'saw' norrath, not how it was.

And despite other evidence of all types, your anecdotal experience for how FD works, how sneak works, how invis and rogues works, how drop rates were, where spawns where, what spawns existed is solely from your pubescent memory; means your server ends up like this.

Which is fine, as it's as good as the price we pay for it. And it's been 7 years and 4 corrupt GM's since I've donated, so who's to say we have a right to complain :p

Will you please just move on...it would do the rest of us a favor.

[Taredin27]

you need a therapy!

[ecurb_dlabihcra]

As a super casual type player myself, I have no problem with items like manastone being pretty much unattainable unless you are a complete and utter degenerate player capable of camping it for 24-50 hours.

There fixed it for you

[Phaezed-Reality]

Living in your parents basement in EQ opposed to having a full time job and a real world life aren't what make you good at EQ IMO.

Maybe i'm just jealous.

I think I'll concentrate on leveling first and then camping toys when half the population gets bored and leaves at least halving the wait times..

sorry your parents parents didn't invest in oil after ww2.

[Tilien]

have not listed for manastone yet, will soon, still recovering from my 26 hour jboot camp. 18 earings. was a fun time. But i absolutely hating seeing people showing up for 6 6 hours and u cant tell them anything like yo man, this is not for u if u cant stay up and like. i hate to say it but elite tier players are the only people that can camp this stuff. that and meth heads.


also have not screen shared, don't need to, This is everquest, i have lived here for 20 years..... 60 hours is nothing to to me, i have raced to 60 over 2 weeks on coffee. I enjoy this game for a reason, pure playtime and being good at the game shoots u ahead of the bad and makes the game super enjoyable because it puts you so far ahead the only people you are playing with are also other good players, which furthers your progression even more instead of being bogged down in antonican pox trains.

Your post on the boxing thread where you laughed at people who didn't screen share says otherwise.

[BlackBellamy]

Amphetamine Sulfate and Amphetamine Aspartate Monohydrate and Dextroamphetamine Saccharate and Dextroamphetamine Sulfate is a hell of a drug!

https://imgur.com/Wc3rxsN.gif

[jackd104]

Your log makes baby Jesus cry.

[Lulz Sect]

MUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MANASTONE

[Tuljin]

congrats, well deserved, i have been trying to tell people these items are for powerful people and powerful people alone

it's for us pros only guys - brother ramal

Look, I understand that some items in EQ you need to camp forever to get, and I am 110% okay with that. I am also one to say that EQ isn't actually "easy" and all it takes is time to "beat". The difference between a bad player and a skilled player is vast.

I will say one thing though - there are absolute total nubs that currently have a manastone. This is a fact. There are many nubs that currently have a manastone. There are nubs with manastone right now that don't know how to and can't use them. They are not pros.

There are -actual- pros more "pro" than people who think they are "pro" but they don't play right now because they can't nolife this game for xyz reason or simply don't want to.

Sitting on a list at a mid-30s camp for two days straight has way less to do with being "pro" and way more to do with "dedication" or "no life" which really I don't want to demean or bash, it is what it is.

This attitude is way more pathetic than the actual nolifing going on.

[Hyjalx]

Not classic. Might as well be TAKP server.