Solo high levels on low level camps

[Acidreams]

Id like just to vent some frustration. I seem to constantly be stumbling upon level-appropiate camps with a solo over-leveled guy camping it seemingly forever.

If you dont think its greedy to sit and farm a low level camp for loot, denying lower levels from actually xping and/or looting, then you should really take a long hard look at yourself.

Ive had a few experiences of which i wont go into detail as it seems to help nothing anyway, but the levels of greed and selfishness sometimes are unreal. I cant imagine you would be like this in real life. If you are sitting at a camp, solo and 10+ levels above the mobs, for more than 4 hours maybe you should just move on or take a break? Consider others are trying to form groups and xp at those camps but wont say anything because we just cant be assed with the arguement and hassle that ensues.

Please just be a little more considerate and perhaps move on to higher level mobs which usually give better loot. Thank you.

[cd288]

Have you tried discussing with these people or do you just talk to them in the way you wrote this post?

You could ask if they'll let you kill things for XP if you agree that they get most of the loot (for example, 2/3s (or all, if you don't care about the drop) of the Deathfist Belts that drop) or something like that

[Videri]

I recognize you are just venting. I do hope, however, that you try asking such people for the camp in the future. Not all will relinquish it, but many will. I generally would, for instance.

[stebbins99]

I understand that this can be frustrating to stumble upon, especially when there are high server populations (ie happens more often). However, it may help if you try to view the situation sans emotions or levels:

Person A has something desirable (camp)
Person B wants something desirable (camp held by Person A) but wasn't there first

Why should Person A move somewhere else, possibly struggling to find a camp himself, simply to appease Person B? In many ways, "being considerate" in this game is simply respecting whomever is there first.

It never hurts to ask to share or group (ie cd288's and V's advice); however, if you arrive to a camp that is actively maintained and cleared, it's usually best to move on to a different area

[Acidreams]

Have you tried discussing with these people or do you just talk to them in the way you wrote this post?

You could ask if they'll let you kill things for XP if you agree that they get most of the loot (for example, 2/3s (or all, if you don't care about the drop) of the Deathfist Belts that drop) or something like that

Sometimes I just ask how long are they camping for, sometimes they are AFK and sometimes they dont respond. But in most cases they arent budging, certainly not for or my group. I guess thats the rules of the server but I just want to have a bit of fun every now and then and these guys seem like they could and would do better but are under no obligation.

I just want to help spread mindfullness if that makes any sense. I think we're all adults for the most part.

[indiscriminate_hater]

If you dont think its greedy to sit and farm a low level camp for loot, denying lower levels from actually xping and/or looting, then you should really take a long hard look at yourself.


Why isn't is greedy if a lower level takes a camp while a higher level wants the same content? They're both after the same thing - improving their characters. What entitles the lower level to content over the higher level?

[cd288]

Sometimes I just ask how long are they camping for, sometimes they are AFK and sometimes they dont respond. But in most cases they arent budging, certainly not for or my group. I guess thats the rules of the server but I just want to have a bit of fun every now and then and these guys seem like they could and would do better but are under no obligation.

I just want to help spread mindfullness if that makes any sense. I think we're all adults for the most part.

Again, did you offer a compromise? If they're just there for certain loot, I highly doubt they would care about you killing the stuff for the EXP if they get the loot

[nostalgiaquest]

I think we're all adults for the most part.

Lol, there's your first mistake

[Tecmos Deception]

Why isn't is greedy if a lower level takes a camp while a higher level wants the same content? They're both after the same thing - improving their characters. What entitles the lower level to content over the higher level?

You don't seem to understand. Op wants it and thinks he should have it. Clearly he isn't the selfish one because he thinks he isn't!

[Tilien]

Why isn't is greedy if a lower level takes a camp while a higher level wants the same content? They're both after the same thing - improving their characters. What entitles the lower level to content over the higher level?

Higher level characters have access to more content, tend to be more knowledgeable about more camps as they have more play time, and generally greater mobility in getting to a new camp.

The reason why 1 high level person locking out a group from doing level appropriate content is greedy is because it is probably easier for the 1 higher level person to find something else to do.

The xp group may not know where else they can go at their level, and on a high pop server it would likely be camped by another xp group.

IMO unless there is a specific item of high need for someone, they should cede a camp to an xp group. I always do.

[Swish]

You can ask these high levels to split the camp if its more than just 1 spawn they're killing.

They might not like that, but they will have to share <3

[Teppler]

These are the same toxic people that push NBG on groups.

[Teppler]

OP is I mean.

[Fawqueue]

I'm curious what camp you are referencing? Most of the time if the mobs aren't giving xp, the only thing the player will care about killing is whatever drops the item. Even somewhere like CB Throne...if I want Crush then you can take all the trash around him. Have you ever tried asking for the XP mobs?

[Bardp1999]

OP is referring to the Manastone camp - a group of level 35s can get great XP there but these garbage human beings still camp it at 50

[Canelek]

This situation may require a drum circle.

[Sizar]

OP is referring to the Manastone camp - a group of level 35s can get great XP there but these garbage human beings still camp it at 50

How is 1 mob great xp? The camp is literally a single mob.

[Polycaster]

Higher level characters have access to more content, tend to be more knowledgeable about more camps as they have more play time, and generally greater mobility in getting to a new camp.

The reason why 1 high level person locking out a group from doing level appropriate content is greedy is because it is probably easier for the 1 higher level person to find something else to do.

The xp group may not know where else they can go at their level, and on a high pop server it would likely be camped by another xp group.

IMO unless there is a specific item of high need for someone, they should cede a camp to an xp group. I always do.


You are a bug man. Most of us are real humans who don't subsume our interests to a hive.

[Danth]

This is a VERY classic rant thread. Original game forums were full of similar threads.

[Tilien]

You are a bug man. Most of us are real humans who don't subsume our interests to a hive.

Sorry you don't show the very human attributes of empathy and altruism. Maybe you'll get along with that odus guy whose 12 hours deep on a camp during Thanksgiving dinner.

It's a fucking game you don't pay for, share your toys once in a while. They went over that in kindergarten right?

[Kerwin 5.0]

gotta love lvl 40 camping shiny brass shield in cb for plat

[Mil]

I challenge anyone who thinks farming plat and items is unfair if you're not "level appropriate" to roll one character and play it without ever farming anything that doesn't give you exp, to never kill a black bear trying to get a pelt, to never kill decaying skeletons for cracked staves and bone chips and see how far they can get.

Also, has anyone here crying about how higher level players should move along from a camp ever themselves moved along from a camp just because a lower level player showed up? I'm betting no, at least not before they've gotten the drops they want.

[HopefulButConcerned101]

its not person A and person B, its person A and person(s) B
A full party of level 10s trying to camp the Taskmaster in CB are barred from camping it when a single level 39 bard shows up because he wants a brass earring for his level 4 warrior twink. Meanwhile a similar instance is occurring at the Warlord spawn, the Slaver camp, the TR and the Tower. 5 or 6 out of 6 or 7, major camps in a major newbie levelling zone, in this instance the number one and first dungeon that every player making a wood elf or high elf has access to are camped by level 30s. So we have 6 guys owning the entire zone while 6 times 6 =36 players of appropriate level are unable to group for a camp and trying to solo wandering mobs while yelling lfg. their option? die in lesser faydark, solo in butcherblock (this is a group/team based game) or wait half an hour for a boat to come just to face the same issue in Befallen if they can even hang in the first hallway as most of them are level 5-10, now take that head out of your arse and realize that not everyone is a lifer in video games, many of these people are actual newbs and don't even know there is a boat, or a steamfont mountains, and are thinking, this game sux, I cant solo anything, I cant group anywhere and I don't know squat.

[HopefulButConcerned101]

See, I've faced this issue to, and a lot in CB. We have a full group of level 14-18 camping the TR its mostly low blue and green, the treasure box here is the tower where Crush and dvinn spawn. Now we get a single level 24 mage who wants to camp the tower and says its a separate camp. heh, its not a separate camp, its the prize of the TR. So this guy is expecting to seize the rare spawns and the rare loots because the TR is gaining exp in one room while the treasure is in another, behind it. They clear and hold the TR to gain access to the Tower, then the mage who cannot split and solo this area reaps the benefit of their holding the TR and snags their rare spawn and its loot.

[HopefulButConcerned101]

a party of lower levels vs a single high level, not a level 5 vs a level 50 for a spot. a group of at level trying to have fun playing as a team, and a single guy farming greens to swel his pocket because he cant survive in a group his own level.

[Teppler]

See, I've faced this issue to, and a lot in CB. We have a full group of level 14-18 camping the TR its mostly low blue and green, the treasure box here is the tower where Crush and dvinn spawn. Now we get a single level 24 mage who wants to camp the tower and says its a separate camp. heh, its not a separate camp, its the prize of the TR. So this guy is expecting to seize the rare spawns and the rare loots because the TR is gaining exp in one room while the treasure is in another, behind it. They clear and hold the TR to gain access to the Tower, then the mage who cannot split and solo this area reaps the benefit of their holding the TR and snags their rare spawn and its loot.

Was the mage there first or was your group? You’re allowed to camp any single spawn you want in this game. People have that right and it’s a good one.

[HopefulButConcerned101]

Yes his name is Schade, I think that's how it was spelled, and a member of "Castle" I was grouped with at level members of Castle as he KS'ed members of his own guild, in other areas of the dungeon. He wasn't just camping the SBS as he claimed, he was actively trolling and ksing the entire zone. For hours, and I watched dozens of arguments ensue as he claimed the item was a 150p per drop farm, which is funny to me since the sbs has sold for 10-20 plat since the server opened, I have 2 in the bank both bought at 10p and offered to give them to him if he would leave, offer refused. Understand that these types aren't just ruining the experience for everyone around them at the time, but they are also destroying the economy by dominating a spawn point and inflating the prices of said item.

[HopefulButConcerned101]

I've rolled 5 so far, and none of them camp anything that doesn't give exp if anyone is around that does. I left the wall group just yesterday in CB when my druid hit level 14, and pressured the tank who dinged 15 a few minutes prior to do the same, and then the 2 of us were replaced by a party of 6 level 9-10s. I couldnt get a group here now as the TR was camped hard. so rather than join the level 40 tards camping greenies and barring the 47 players in zone from being able to play I logged onto another toon and joined a group in guk.

[HopefulButConcerned101]

No, its not a good one, and that's why it is being argued. This is what happened in my example... one of many...

I am in a wall group in CB, level 8-12ish, our shammy out levels the camp by dinging 14, and decides to join the TR group, which apparently is having trouble, a train here, a train there. 15 -20 minute later, hell starts, train after train after train. So I send my shammy a tell asking him what is going on, as these trains are wiping the wall group. He explains to me that there is mage trying to take the tower who cant hold the spawns and keeps dragging his adds in the TR while they are fighting, causing them to train out. and that they keep losing members and reforming, the exact reason he himself was invited. So I offered to camp my druid and log my mage in and help them, they said plz do. So get in there with my 18 mage, and they manage to grab a 19 chanter as well, and we easily secure the TR now, but the group leader is locked in argument with this mage in the tower, who is level 21. We get trained, Dvinn, Crush, a royal guard the prophet, and pop darish, with about 4 legos, an oracle or 2 and 3 to 4 cents. A full TR pop, and a full tower pop dragged on us by fleeing mage. My chanter sucked. We train, we train the wall, the TM, and the entrance on our way out. So I engage with this mage now, who admits to me he cant handle the tower alone by saying "I can handle it just fine once the spawn is broke" and so, I explain to him that we are not in the business of holding the TR, and breaking the spawn so a single guy who is within our level range but just high enough to solo the rare spawn, if alone, can take the treasure room in the castle at our expense, but he of course argues "camp rules" so the training occurs again. So this guy is using camp rules to usurp the rare spawns in the back of the camp that are defended by the TR while dragging trains onto at least 5 camps. So one guy using camp rules grieves at least 5 parties.. the TR, the wall, the warlord, the TM, and the entrance, not to mention all the solo lfgers around, ONE guy, higher level than the rest claims a camp and brings grief on 30+ people over and over using "camp rules" AND he gets to camp the rare loot in this dungeon while the group of appropriate level gets the table scraps, who were indeed there first. but now he leaves and is replaced by an even higher level necro, who can handle it but shouldn't be there as this group of 6 has been struggling to claim the TR and pull the treasure out of the Tower. "camp rules" now they are locked in argument with this necro about camp rules. in total some 20 people joined, were trained, then logged, just while I was there, not sure how long it went on before I arrived. outside in CB, how many people left due to being trained over and over by this idiotic arrangement that allows a single high level to snag a "camp?" in my wall group, at least another 20 over that time period. So understand that this rule is allowing in this instance alone, 2 guys to screw over and grief somewhere around 60-100 players over the course of a few hours.

[jlxharville]

Id like just to vent some frustration. I seem to constantly be stumbling upon level-appropiate camps with a solo over-leveled guy camping it seemingly forever.

If you dont think its greedy to sit and farm a low level camp for loot, denying lower levels from actually xping and/or looting, then you should really take a long hard look at yourself.

Ive had a few experiences of which i wont go into detail as it seems to help nothing anyway, but the levels of greed and selfishness sometimes are unreal. I cant imagine you would be like this in real life. If you are sitting at a camp, solo and 10+ levels above the mobs, for more than 4 hours maybe you should just move on or take a break? Consider others are trying to form groups and xp at those camps but wont say anything because we just cant be assed with the arguement and hassle that ensues.

Please just be a little more considerate and perhaps move on to higher level mobs which usually give better loot. Thank you.

And you are somehow entitled to a camp because it's level appropriate for you? So I shouldn't camp drops because it inconveniences you?

Have you ever considered that higher levels are camping lower level camps for quest items to help their real life friends catch up? Or maybe they are finally at the point where they can solo it to earn some cash. If you'd ask, I'm sure you would receive an idea why. A camp is a camp and isn't up to your speculation only the rules set by the server. Half this server will steal camps - train you for them - or simply rage at you sort of like you are dping now on a forum.

If you don't like it... there are plenty of other games that hand you a ltitle glowing chest and high fives when you kill mobs... and ksing isn't a thing... and everyone gets experience and hugs daily and free shit in the mail to make them feel loved.

[Valeriya]

its not person A and person B, its person A and person(s) B
A full party of level 10s trying to camp the Taskmaster in CB are barred from camping it when a single level 39 bard shows up because he wants a brass earring for his level 4 warrior twink. Meanwhile a similar instance is occurring at the Warlord spawn, the Slaver camp, the TR and the Tower. 5 or 6 out of 6 or 7, major camps in a major newbie levelling zone, in this instance the number one and first dungeon that every player making a wood elf or high elf has access to are camped by level 30s. So we have 6 guys owning the entire zone while 6 times 6 =36 players of appropriate level are unable to group for a camp and trying to solo wandering mobs while yelling lfg. their option? die in lesser faydark, solo in butcherblock (this is a group/team based game) or wait half an hour for a boat to come just to face the same issue in Befallen if they can even hang in the first hallway as most of them are level 5-10, now take that head out of your arse and realize that not everyone is a lifer in video games, many of these people are actual newbs and don't even know there is a boat, or a steamfont mountains, and are thinking, this game sux, I cant solo anything, I cant group anywhere and I don't know squat.

My god lad do you have to write a paragraph everythime you SPEAK!?

[shuklak]

If Billy Madison can do it, then so can we.

[Polycaster]

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This game might be a bit too high stress for you. Perhaps you should look into relaxation therapy.


Sorry you don't show the very human attributes of empathy and altruism. Maybe you'll get along with that odus guy whose 12 hours deep on a camp during Thanksgiving dinner.

It's a fucking game you don't pay for, share your toys once in a while. They went over that in kindergarten right?


Yes, and then I went to middle school where I learned that in the real world people are selfish, and one must deal with them as they really are, not as you wish them to be.

Empathy is a bullshit emotion that people use to manipulate you. It's generally a good idea to ignore it. For example, what about empathy for the high lvl you want to kick out of a camp? It all depends on who is better at manipulating you, therefore ignore it and rely on cold hard logic.

Altruism opens you up to being taken advantage of, and actually incentivizes selfish behavior in others (see: tit-for-tat survival strategy in games theory.)

Enlightened self-interest is the optimum strategy. How does it benefit a high lvl to abandon a camp in favor of low lvls? It doesn't, therefore it is foolish for that high lvl to abandon it.

[Cecily]

Cooperation beats tit for tat. For example, you may win in the short-term by looking out for yourself, but in the long-term it turns the place into P99.

[Polycaster]

Cooperation beats tit for tat. For example, you may win in the short-term by looking out for yourself, but in the long-term it turns the place into P99.

Read first, then comment.

Tit-for-tat is a cooperative strategy. It beat out other strategies in computer simulations, and its been observed in some animal species. Basically, it mirrors the actions of the other: if they are cooperative, then you be cooperative. If they are selfish, then you be selfish.

[Cecily]

Read first, then comment.

Tit-for-tat is a cooperative strategy. It beat out other strategies in computer simulations, and its been observed in some animal species. Basically, it mirrors the actions of the other: if they are cooperative, then you be cooperative. If they are selfish, then you be selfish.

No it's not. You're thinking of reciprocal altruism.

[HopefulButConcerned101]

its not my fault you have the attention span of a 5 yr old, and nothing to add but complaints, no doubt a liberal.

[Tethler]

its not my fault you have the attention span of a 5 yr old, and nothing to add but complaints, no doubt a liberal.

Oh, hey! It's the tool from this trainwreck of a thread (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337580)! Welcome back, big guy! I hope you'll entertain us a bit longer this time around.

[HopefulButConcerned101]

the games not stressful to me at all. I could care less if my toon is naked in fact soem are. You guys are stressed out while yo argue over trivail shit that is obvious......
and my god that diatribe about altrusim serves only to reveal how much of an ahole u are.......................

[HopefulButConcerned101]

and there he is everytime i come here no matter the time of day or day of week with weeks in between momentary visits hes got an insult prepared

dude get off the comp and find a woman. you sit in here all day with nothing but trolling?

[Tethler]

its not my fault you have the attention span of a 5 yr old, and nothing to add but complaints, no doubt a liberal.

and my god that diatribe about altrusim serves only to reveal how much of an ahole u are.......................


dude get off the comp and find a woman. you sit in here all day with nothing but trolling?

[wagorf]

This is not a new game. This shit has existed for 20 years and every knows it. Just cuz some dude relaunched a private server all of a sudden you feel things should be different.

[jackd104]

Why isn't is greedy if a lower level takes a camp while a higher level wants the same content? They're both after the same thing - improving their characters. What entitles the lower level to content over the higher level?

When one person is occupying content that six others could be enjoying, the one person will step aside if they were raised right by their mommies and daddies. That’s all there is to it.

[AgentEpilot]

Again, did you offer a compromise? If they're just there for certain loot, I highly doubt they would care about you killing the stuff for the EXP if they get the loot

If it is some item camp I highly doubt they would trust the other person to give it up, one guild has its members camping all kinds of shit because they need the item to get raid loot or some shit.

[Tilien]

This is not a new game. This shit has existed for 20 years and every knows it. Just cuz some dude relaunched a private server all of a sudden you feel things should be different.

When I played on live there were people who complained about the game and every [sic] knows it. Just cuz some dude relaunched a private server all of a sudden you feel things should be different.

[Pozzey]

When one person is occupying content that six others could be enjoying, the one person will step aside if they were raised right by their mommies and daddies. That’s all there is to it.

I've recently encountered a situation where I was in a low level zone, camping some remedial shit that I didn't even care much about. Alone working on my laptop for a few hours just sat killing PH etc.

3 hours later a guy runs up to me and calls me a cunt, says I've ruined his whole group, and that I need to leave or he will train me (and then tried to train me and died) all within the space of 2 minutes.

You think me, a person of pride, wants to teach this fucksponge a lesson by not moving aside for a further 3 hours because of the way he approached me?

You're
Goddamn
Right

It's about how people deal with the situation.