How to play an enchanter- Featuring Mordeas

[stakka]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBZ3uy6Qy-k&feature=youtu.be

2:45 if you wanna skip me kill Osargen and go right to the juicy bit.

Also, just taking my pet bro.

https://imgur.com/lqV3QH0

[Vallaen]

The mage killed Osargen at the spawn point, and then agroed it before the enchanter even.

The enchanter indeed stole the mages kill and broke the rule.

[stakka]

This dumb fucking asshole just trained HHK group over this as if we're all guilty.

First of all, yes, our group had Os all day. You snuck in when you saw it die and made this video. You got one kill then proceeded to sit there like an idiot with the mob up until it was taken from you in spite of being full mana/health indicating you didn't actually hold camp when it got recharmed.

Second, I had nothing to do with this, you just wiped group cause you're a fucking moron and butthurt you couldn't camp this trash mob probably trying to AFK grind exp. P.S. I didn't die from your train.

No idea about the train thing but what are you talking about with sitting there with the mob up? i immediately tagged him upon spawning. I also killed him many times, I just had to edit the video down to 1 kill because I cant upload a 15+ min video without giving youtube my cell number.

P.S. mad much?

[bubur]

https://i.imgur.com/hPw82MC.jpg

[stakka]

What in the actual fuck are you talking about mate?

[Harmonium]

Very clear violation of rules here by Mordeas.

[Lulz Sect]

https://i.imgur.com/Tyl2rUc.gif

[Psyborg]

This dumb fucking asshole just trained HHK group over this as if we're all guilty.

First of all, yes, our group had Os all day. You snuck in when you saw it die and made this video. You got one kill then proceeded to sit there like an idiot with the mob up until it was taken from you in spite of being full mana/health indicating you didn't actually hold camp when it got recharmed.

Second, I had nothing to do with this, you just wiped group cause you're a fucking moron and butthurt you couldn't camp this trash mob probably trying to AFK grind exp. P.S. I didn't die from your train.

You have been found guilty. The video does not lie.

[Sagus]

Doesn't matter how long you had him as a pet. It died and you lost him and Mage claimed it. You stole it. Simple as that.

[Bellringer]

Not only is Kul69 a camp stealing scumbag, hes an entitled one too...


https://i.imgur.com/4NlgC6T.jpg

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3027347&postcount=1

3 weeks... lol.

[Aphexx2886]

Not only is Kul69 a camp stealing scumbag, hes an entitled one too...


https://i.imgur.com/4NlgC6T.jpg

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3027347&postcount=1

3 weeks... lol.

[Darkfuneral]

Oh lord help us

[Swish]

As if EQ didn't have enough badly behaved gnomes.

[bubur]

you wouldnt be talking about ping fizzlecutter would you swish

guys a real creep

[AgentEpilot]

Ping is just misunderstood, but I mean obviously do not drink his formula if you don't have a sober friend to get you away from him before nightfall.

[DMN]

Did you do a CC? Maybe Os was already "camped"?

[Uuruk]

lmao

[dcmnec]

This whole encounter with you today was so ridiculous I didn't really intend to justify it with a response when you later told me you forum posted but felt obligated to seeing that I was playing my brothers character, Mordeas, today. If you want to train me again in an attempt to steal camp mobs please direct your ire at Gnekrotek.

For the record - the camp was hhk basement gobos and the prisoner pet. All you've shown is that you ninja'd a spawn in a camp without asking to contest it, which is what's actually against the rules.

Sad thing is against my better judgment I was talking to my group if we should release the pet and get something else. You were claiming you killed 3 spawns, which I thought was ridiculous, but the train that killed the pet was big and took some time to clear and then I had to med for a few min - so maybe...(big ?) and you seemed pretty upset. But when I told you I was discussing with the group you informed you had already insta-petitioned - so that was the end of that.

Next time try taking the time to talk to people like an adult rather than acting like a child demanding things, threatening petitions, training, forum posts, etc. and you might experience a better outcome.

[baakss]

This whole encounter with you today was so ridiculous I didn't really intend to justify it with a response when you later told me you forum posted but felt obligated to seeing that I was playing my brothers character, Mordeas, today.

I, too, have a brother who is the one playing my character when I act like a shitbag.

[Swish]

I was playing my brothers character, Mordeas, today...

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

1. I don't believe it.

and..

2. If I did, it should be a lesson in not giving out account info to anyone.

[senna]

This whole encounter with you today was so ridiculous I didn't really intend to justify it with a response when you later told me you forum posted but felt obligated to seeing that I was playing my brothers character, Mordeas, today. If you want to train me again in an attempt to steal camp mobs please direct your ire at Gnekrotek.

For the record - the camp was hhk basement gobos and the prisoner pet. All you've shown is that you ninja'd a spawn in a camp without asking to contest it, which is what's actually against the rules.

Sad thing is against my better judgment I was talking to my group if we should release the pet and get something else. You were claiming you killed 3 spawns, which I thought was ridiculous, but the train that killed the pet was big and took some time to clear and then I had to med for a few min - so maybe...(big ?) and you seemed pretty upset. But when I told you I was discussing with the group you informed you had already insta-petitioned - so that was the end of that.

Next time try taking the time to talk to people like an adult rather than acting like a child demanding things, threatening petitions, training, forum posts, etc. and you might experience a better outcome.

Ahh the old playing my brothers character, a classic. Also lol at calling me a child when you acted like a complete petulant rat about the entire situation. In game and in your post.

[senna]

For the record - the camp was hhk basement gobos and the prisoner pet. All you've shown is that you ninja'd a spawn in a camp without asking to contest it, which is what's actually against the rules.

Also this is my favorite part of the whole post

[Modwolf]

Can you have 2 camps at once?

[Vallaen]

Can you have 2 camps at once?

If another group/person wants one of the camps than the person camping the 2 camps can choose which one to give up.

[bubur]

i always think its funny when someone conveniently has a fraps running on a random camp he's doing, as if he knows some karma he sowed earlier is about to come back for harvest

still, surprised if u dont get a vacay for this mordaes. if ya lost the charm, that's it bud. cant just take it back from someone who established camp, even if its just 1 kill tbh. doesnt matter if it was 3

if you can just charm out someone's camp ingame ima just start putting all lawyers on /ignore and letting jesus take the wheel

[senna]

Lol I had fraps running because the exact same thing happened to me last time I tried to camp him. I figured if it happens again at least I'll have evidence.

Apparently you cant camp Osargen on this server because shitty enchanters wont allow it, even if you have the camp.

[dcmnec]

He asked to contest the spawn (i guess?) I told him I was taking it. Thereafter I decided to med on the spawn to avoid further issues - which shocker, there were no further baited 5min video clips.

Those are the rules, I followed them, end of story.

If its decided I take a vacation, so be it - justice isn't perfect. But that's for a GM to decide and I wont hold my breath as I assume they will require evidence that a camp was stolen spanning at least as long as the entire camp to respawn, not shorter than a single spawn within the camp.

PS - I gave my IGN in my opening reply, for those that were confused.

[Vallaen]

I hope your "brother"'s character gets a vacation for rule breaking

[Argh]

How do you think you followed the rules?

You were in a group doing goblins, and this dude took this spawn. He doesn't need to notify you, and you don't need to approve his request.

[Videri]

I think there is a rules disagreement here. Does having a mob charmed qualify as "camping" that mob, and are you allowed to retake its respawn if it dies?

Suppose Osargen had never ever died the whole time and was still alive to this day. Would that mage have "camped" Osargen's empty spawn point this whole time? I think not.

[dcmnec]

because people need clarification - refer to the second P99 rule, clarifying the first P99 rule:
You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

Again, he contested the camp (kind of aggressively, but that's personal opinion I suppose). I didn't need to be at the spawn while it was uncontested. I told him I was going to keep it, and then I remained near the spawn and made sure to sit on it prior to spawn thereafter.

I held the camp, I had the right to choose which mob to give up. He was free to ask for one of the other spawns, but he chose not to. Again, end of story.

Notice there is no further videos, before or after. no further logs, or discussion pics, etc, because there was nothing to show except him being a troll.

Further rule 2:
Please do your best to use courtesy and common sense when interacting with other players in spawn disputes.

Demanding actions, threatening petitions, flame threads, training, etc is not using courtesy, and he wasn't using common sense when he rolled into a well established camp finding the mob down and then tried to sit on it and steal it the first chance he got.

I can't regurgitate the rules any more clearly - again the GMs will make a ruling if they even entertain it. Take care.

[Uuruk]

because people need clarification - refer to the second P99 rule, clarifying the first P99 rule:
You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

Again, he contested the camp (kind of aggressively, but that's personal opinion I suppose). I didn't need to be at the spawn while it was uncontested. I told him I was going to keep it, and then I remained near the spawn and made sure to sit on it prior to spawn thereafter.

I held the camp, I had the right to choose which mob to give up. He was free to ask for one of the other spawns, but he chose not to. Again, end of story.

Notice there is no further videos, before or after. no further logs, or discussion pics, etc, because there was nothing to show except him being a troll.

Further rule 2:
Please do your best to use courtesy and common sense when interacting with other players in spawn disputes.

Demanding actions, threatening petitions, flame threads, training, etc is not using courtesy, and he wasn't using common sense when he rolled into a well established camp finding the mob down and then tried to sit on it and steal it the first chance he got.

I can't regurgitate the rules any more clearly - again the GMs will make a ruling if they even entertain it. Take care.

You sound like you are retarded and have autism.

[Argh]

because people need clarification - refer to the second P99 rule, clarifying the first P99 rule:
You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

Again, he contested the camp (kind of aggressively, but that's personal opinion I suppose). I didn't need to be at the spawn while it was uncontested. I told him I was going to keep it, and then I remained near the spawn and made sure to sit on it prior to spawn thereafter.

I held the camp, I had the right to choose which mob to give up. He was free to ask for one of the other spawns, but he chose not to. Again, end of story.

Notice there is no further videos, before or after. no further logs, or discussion pics, etc, because there was nothing to show except him being a troll.

Further rule 2:
Please do your best to use courtesy and common sense when interacting with other players in spawn disputes.

Demanding actions, threatening petitions, flame threads, training, etc is not using courtesy, and he wasn't using common sense when he rolled into a well established camp finding the mob down and then tried to sit on it and steal it the first chance he got.

I can't regurgitate the rules any more clearly - again the GMs will make a ruling if they even entertain it. Take care.

You didn't choose to keep it, you tried to charm it and return to your camp lol

[Natewest1987]

ok. Since people do need clarification, I think it’s hilarious where you started your copy paste of from the rule list. I’ll chime in.

Please note:
“ That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared, within the same zone, do not die or log off.

No judgement here about using Osgaren, but to be fair, what you’re doing isn’t “camping” the mob. It’s holding it hostage, and what you did after was intentional kill stealing

[Uuruk]

This dumb fucking asshole just trained HHK group over this as if we're all guilty.

First of all, yes, our group had Os all day. You snuck in when you saw it die and made this video. You got one kill then proceeded to sit there like an idiot with the mob up until it was taken from you in spite of being full mana/health indicating you didn't actually hold camp when it got recharmed.

Second, I had nothing to do with this, you just wiped group cause you're a fucking moron and butthurt you couldn't camp this trash mob probably trying to AFK grind exp. P.S. I didn't die from your train.

https://i.gyazo.com/268bfdede51a79ca0e0728dc2d654739.png

you can also see in this picture that this is at least the 2nd time he is killing him and your autistic chanter tried to charm him on the third spawn....soo?

[senna]

because people need clarification - refer to the second P99 rule, clarifying the first P99 rule:
You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

Again, he contested the camp (kind of aggressively, but that's personal opinion I suppose). I didn't need to be at the spawn while it was uncontested. I told him I was going to keep it, and then I remained near the spawn and made sure to sit on it prior to spawn thereafter.

I held the camp, I had the right to choose which mob to give up. He was free to ask for one of the other spawns, but he chose not to. Again, end of story.

Notice there is no further videos, before or after. no further logs, or discussion pics, etc, because there was nothing to show except him being a troll.

Further rule 2:
Please do your best to use courtesy and common sense when interacting with other players in spawn disputes.

Demanding actions, threatening petitions, flame threads, training, etc is not using courtesy, and he wasn't using common sense when he rolled into a well established camp finding the mob down and then tried to sit on it and steal it the first chance he got.

I can't regurgitate the rules any more clearly - again the GMs will make a ruling if they even entertain it. Take care.


I don't even know where to start with this.

Are you an expert in bird law when you're not playing p99?

[Cecil]

I don't even know where to start with this.

Are you an expert in bird law when you're not playing p99?

Why would you argue server rules if you don’t even play here?

[dcmnec]

you understand osargen is on a super fast respawn, like 4m or something, this isn't guk with mobs on a 20+m timer. two kills is literally like 4-5m, which we probably weren't even done with clearing the train when the first one popped. after we cleared the train, which at that time we were not being contested, and casually medded up I ran back over to pick up the spawn again, it was down so i sat on the spawn for pop.

We both engage simultaneously and after loosing the spawn he sent me tell as hes shown, I replied as shown, and then i discussed with the party. by the time I replied just to say I was talking with the group about the situation - he had already petitioned me. This is my perspective.

He claimed three kills, again - its a very fast spawn, so as I said it was possible but three seemed like a stretch. But the number of times he ninja'd the spawn is irrelevant, the spawn was part of a well established claimed camp that he didn't ask to contest - and yes, per the rules you have to ask and the current owners get to choose what they keep - I don't know why this being treated like some new concept. You don't get to just roll into a camp, train it, sit on a spawns, etc to take it over.

The real shady business which is being overlooked is how long was Filldabuss ninja contesting the spawn before he baited this stunt? the reality is, when you look outside this like 5m window Filldabuss has provided is that osargen was camped for hours. we get mysteriously trained, and then within the time period it takes to clear the train and med a bit Filldabuss is on scene instantly taking up a spawn in our camp? has fraps running ready to go, instantly petitions? Like i said, the whole encounter was transparent and ridiculous but I guess if you cant read between the lines you had to be there.

All this drama over 5m and a non loot mob that's been the enchanter pet for the basement camp since the dawn of time. Guy is acting like he was holding efreeti for hours and I came in and charm stole Djarn… give me a break...

anyways, we obviously disagree on the camping rules. I'll await GM clarification per your petition.

[Vallaen]

You dont have to ask someone to give the camp up if the mob is up and at its spawn point.

[Sagus]

The fact he was ready to go filming away tells me he expected what was about to happen, so yeah, I can see he might have been the one who started this entire mess. Even if he did come down there to train purposely to screw y'all over and take your pet, his actions aren't recorded. You KSing clearly is and the rest is history.

[dcmnec]

osargen isn't the camp. basement is the camp, osargen is one spawn point in the camp. the entire camp wasn't popped. He ninja'd contested two rounds on a fast respawn target while we were dealing with a train, a train he likely started.

dungeon camps are not FTE (first to encounter) camps, again read the rules - high keep is explicitly classified as a dungeon zone.

that being said it doesn't matter that he stole one or ten, the number he stole just exacerbates the offense.

he got to the camp and it was down, if he wanted to contest the rule is you ask - we pick, then he picks. He forced us to picked osargen through his own actions, and then he chose to cry here because he didn't like what we picked.

Maybe a GM will see it differently, but i doubt it - haven't had a vacation in twenty years - but who knows maybe this nonsense will be the first.

[Vallaen]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149602

This same thread 5 years ago =\ wow.

[Uuruk]

osargen isn't the camp. basement is the camp, osargen is one spawn point in the camp. the entire camp wasn't popped. He ninja'd contested two rounds on a fast respawn target while we were dealing with a train, a train he likely started.

dungeon camps are not FTE (first to encounter) camps, again read the rules - high keep is explicitly classified as a dungeon zone.

that being said it doesn't matter that he stole one or ten, the number he stole just exacerbates the offense.

he got to the camp and it was down, if he wanted to contest the rule is you ask - we pick, then he picks. He forced us to picked osargen through his own actions, and then he chose to cry here because he didn't like what we picked.

Maybe a GM will see it differently, but i doubt it - haven't had a vacation in twenty years - but who knows maybe this nonsense will be the first.

so this man is keeping a fast spawn down, training you and getting back to kill the respawn. everquest master or you have autism. ill let the crowd decide.

[TheDudeAbides]

because people need clarification - refer to the second P99 rule, clarifying the first P99 rule:
Again, he contested the camp (kind of aggressively, but that's personal opinion I suppose). I didn't need to be at the spawn while it was uncontested. I told him I was going to keep it, and then I remained near the spawn and made sure to sit on it prior to spawn thereafter.

You're weren't "camping" the spawn for experience. You were exploiting Charm to make another camp Easy Mode. This is exactly why I hate Enchanters. The risk[vs]reward in regards to Charm mechanics have been broken for 10 years on this server. Entitlement like this has become the norm.

If the Devs fixed Charm this thread wouldn't exist.

I held the camp, I had the right to choose which mob to give up. He was free to ask for one of the other spawns, but he chose not to. Again, end of story.

You were not camping that mob for experience

Notice there is no further videos, before or after. no further logs, or discussion pics, etc, because there was nothing to show except him being a troll.

There doesn't need to be. Clearly you're a douchebag. I feel sorry for your brother. Now his character has a Scarlet Ahole branded on his robe

[Wallicker]

Wait OP, you think Osargen is a PART of the goblin camps?? Roflmao ��

[baakss]

[QUOTE=dcmnec;3028049]FTE (first to encounter) /QUOTE]

Nah, I like first to engage better.

[baakss]

FTE (first to encounter)

Nah, I like first to engage better.

WEWPS

[dcmnec]

Even if you dont respect a dungeon camp, the fact is that from my perspective I had osargen, he went down, we went back to spawn and engaged him as he spawned. That's it. Regardless of what ever filly was doing, from my perspective I felt I was in the right.

Filly from his perspective thinks he was in the right, and to a certain extent he is right as well assuming you ignore all the circumstantial events leading up to his claim.

Whichever way you want to look at it though, right or wrong either side, it would have been an honest mistake for either party whatever was decided.

The problem is that filly was supposed to have talked with us instead of making demands and threats and instantly petitioning using his baited fraps as justification for further training.

You can try to talk your way around this anyway you want, but discussing camp disputes is literally the first rule of p99 and he broke it spectacularly. Our keeping the spawn thereafter was the direct result of his poor decision and following actions.

[Wallicker]

You had the goblin camp, osargen is in a completely different part of the zone... there’s approximately 15-20 other NPCs you can charm in that lvl range to use as a pet, if ossie died or not and someone was wanting to kill him for exp tough shit. Go charm a guard

[ZiggyTheMuss]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149602

This same thread 5 years ago =\ wow.

“Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.” -Abraham Lincoln

[Swish]

Even if you dont respect a dungeon camp, the fact is that from my perspective I had osargen, he went down, we went back to spawn and engaged him as he spawned. That's it. Regardless of what ever filly was doing, from my perspective I felt I was in the right.

He's at the camp and keeping it cleared/killed. You can't waltz in there and charm it if someone's actively clearing it. In the video it's even engaged before you tried to mez it, and you can see that.

That's that. That's the rule. Everything you're coming out with is just waffle.

I hope the hammer swings, because you don't have a leg to stand on here. The fact you think you do makes it good RNF entertainment.

[Uuruk]

He's at the camp and keeping it cleared/killed. You can't waltz in there and charm it if someone's actively clearing it. In the video it's even engaged before you tried to mez it, and you can see that.

That's that. That's the rule. Everything you're coming out with is just waffle.

I hope the hammer swings, because you don't have a leg to stand on here. The fact you think you do makes it good RNF entertainment.

dont talk to your brother that way.

[Natewest1987]

Even if you dont respect a dungeon camp, the fact is that from my perspective I had osargen, he went down, we went back to spawn and engaged him as he spawned. That's it. Regardless of what ever filly was doing, from my perspective I felt I was in the right.

Filly from his perspective thinks he was in the right, and to a certain extent he is right as well assuming you ignore all the circumstantial events leading up to his claim.

Whichever way you want to look at it though, right or wrong either side, it would have been an honest mistake for either party whatever was decided.

The problem is that filly was supposed to have talked with us instead of making demands and threats and instantly petitioning using his baited fraps as justification for further training.

You can try to talk your way around this anyway you want, but discussing camp disputes is literally the first rule of p99 and he broke it spectacularly. Our keeping the spawn thereafter was the direct result of his poor decision and following actions.

were you incapable of discussing the camp dispute yourself ? or was ninja charming through the gates your way of saying hello

[Jeni]

God I love all this bluebie drama.

[Swish]

dont talk to your brother that way.

1/10 :o

[Cecil]

“Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.” -Abraham Lincoln

Which is why the world needs to come to grips with the LGBTQI.

[Lulz Sect]

https://i.imgur.com/z5m1f8u.jpg

[Gorster]

He's at the camp and keeping it cleared/killed. You can't waltz in there and charm it if someone's actively clearing it. In the video it's even engaged before you tried to mez it, and you can see that.

That's that. That's the rule. Everything you're coming out with is just waffle.

I hope the hammer swings, because you don't have a leg to stand on here. The fact you think you do makes it good RNF entertainment.

[Troxx]

He's at the camp and keeping it cleared/killed. You can't waltz in there and charm it if someone's actively clearing it. In the video it's even engaged before you tried to mez it, and you can see that.

That's that. That's the rule. Everything you're coming out with is just waffle.

I hope the hammer swings, because you don't have a leg to stand on here. The fact you think you do makes it good RNF entertainment.

I’m agreeing with Swish on this one.

Me agreeing with Swish is significant (ie someone just turned down the thermostat in hell a few clicks).

Enchanter in the video is going to get a time out if GMs take a close look at this situation.

[Modwolf]

He's at the camp and keeping it cleared/killed. You can't waltz in there and charm it if someone's actively clearing it. In the video it's even engaged before you tried to mez it, and you can see that.

That's that. That's the rule. Everything you're coming out with is just waffle.

I hope the hammer swings, because you don't have a leg to stand on here. The fact you think you do makes it good RNF entertainment.

Bring the hammer.

[kjs86z]

Hope this enchanter enjoys his little vacation from elf land.

Green / Teal has made some excellent RnF material.

Consider Blue today!

[baakss]

It was his brother playing his enchanter though! The enchanter is an innocent victim, and his brother is the one who deserves a vacation on his level 2 halfling warrior.

[Cecil]

It was his brother playing his enchanter though! The enchanter is an innocent victim, and his brother is the one who deserves a vacation on his level 2 halfling warrior.

So… Account sharing? And I am the one who gets victimized for being trans... The mind boggles. :confused:

[dcmnec]

Enchanter in the video is going to get a time out if GMs take a close look at this situation.

I really hope they do. Would go something like this:

CSR: Was the camp claimed when you arrived?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: Did you ask to contest spawns in the camp?
Filly: No.
CSR: How long was the other group at the camp?
Filly: Was a well established camp, as long as i was in zone at least. I heard one guy say he was on list for over 10hrs though.
CSR: How long were you at the camp?
Filly: 5-10minutes.
CSR: Why did you go to the empty spawn at a well established camp?
Filly: The group got trained so I ran over to see if i could steal it.
CSR: Did you make the train?
Filly: No comment.
CSR: At the time of the disputed event was the mob down when the enchanter arrived to pull it?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: Did the enchanter see you clear any spawns previously?
Filly: No, he was busy clearing a train.
CSR: Are you sure you didn't train them?
Filly: No comment.
CSR: Did the enchanter immediately engage the mob when it spawned?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: So you have no reason to believe he knew the camp was being contested, other than your silent presence.
Filly: Correct.
CSR: Did you discuss the event with the enchanter?
Filly: No. I staked my claim, demanded my wants and threatened to report him, then reported him.
CSR: What did the enchanter do.
Filly: He informed me he was discussing the situation with his group.
CSR: What did you do next?
Filly: I told him i had already reported him, edited my fraps video, took a chat pic ommiting parts, posted a thread on the forums and then trained his entire group.
CSR: So, do you want me to flag your account or pretend this never happened?
Filly: Lets pretend you don't know I train them initially as well.
CSR: Ok, sounds good. Thanks for wasting every ones time. Have a nice day.

Btw - My main on teal is a 37 NEC, that I initially stated was Gnekrotek. If they only look at Filly's baited fraps and literally ask nothing else of the situation... and further choose to vacation me for a first offense... so be it, i already talked to Mordeas and he backed my play so while i would prefer they talk to me about it either is fine.

last post, gl out there.

[Uuruk]

I really hope they do. Would go something like this:

CSR: Was the camp claimed when you arrived?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: Did you ask to contest spawns in the camp?
Filly: No.
CSR: How long was the other group at the camp?
Filly: Was a well established camp, as long as i was in zone at least. I heard one guy say he was on list for over 10hrs though.
CSR: How long were you at the camp?
Filly: 5-10minutes.
CSR: Why did you go to the empty spawn at a well established camp?
Filly: The group got trained so I ran over to see if i could steal it.
CSR: Did you make the train?
Filly: No comment.
CSR: At the time of the disputed event was the mob down when the enchanter arrived to pull it?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: Did the enchanter see you clear any spawns previously?
Filly: No, he was busy clearing a train.
CSR: Are you sure you didn't train them?
Filly: No comment.
CSR: Did the enchanter immediately engage the mob when it spawned?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: So you have no reason to believe he knew the camp was being contested, other than your silent presence.
Filly: Correct.
CSR: Did you discuss the event with the enchanter?
Filly: No. I staked my claim, demanded my wants and threatened to report him, then reported him.
CSR: What did the enchanter do.
Filly: He informed me he was discussing the situation with his group.
CSR: What did you do next?
Filly: I told him i had already reported him, edited my fraps video, took a chat pic ommiting parts, posted a thread on the forums and then trained his entire group.
CSR: So, do you want me to flag your account or pretend this never happened?
Filly: Lets pretend you don't know I train them initially as well.
CSR: Ok, sounds good. Thanks for wasting every ones time. Have a nice day.

Btw - My main on teal is a 37 NEC, that I initially stated was Gnekrotek. If they only look at Filly's baited fraps and literally ask nothing else of the situation... and further choose to vacation me for a first offense... so be it, i already talked to Mordeas and he backed my play so while i would prefer they talk to me about it either is fine.

last post, gl out there.

Fuckin butter brains

[Psyborg]

I really hope they do. Would go something like this:

CSR: Was the camp claimed when you arrived?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: Did you ask to contest spawns in the camp?
Filly: No.
CSR: How long was the other group at the camp?
Filly: Was a well established camp, as long as i was in zone at least. I heard one guy say he was on list for over 10hrs though.
CSR: How long were you at the camp?
Filly: 5-10minutes.
CSR: Why did you go to the empty spawn at a well established camp?
Filly: The group got trained so I ran over to see if i could steal it.
CSR: Did you make the train?
Filly: No comment.
CSR: At the time of the disputed event was the mob down when the enchanter arrived to pull it?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: Did the enchanter see you clear any spawns previously?
Filly: No, he was busy clearing a train.
CSR: Are you sure you didn't train them?
Filly: No comment.
CSR: Did the enchanter immediately engage the mob when it spawned?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: So you have no reason to believe he knew the camp was being contested, other than your silent presence.
Filly: Correct.
CSR: Did you discuss the event with the enchanter?
Filly: No. I staked my claim, demanded my wants and threatened to report him, then reported him.
CSR: What did the enchanter do.
Filly: He informed me he was discussing the situation with his group.
CSR: What did you do next?
Filly: I told him i had already reported him, edited my fraps video, took a chat pic ommiting parts, posted a thread on the forums and then trained his entire group.
CSR: So, do you want me to flag your account or pretend this never happened?
Filly: Lets pretend you don't know I train them initially as well.
CSR: Ok, sounds good. Thanks for wasting every ones time. Have a nice day.

Btw - My main on teal is a 37 NEC, that I initially stated was Gnekrotek. If they only look at Filly's baited fraps and literally ask nothing else of the situation... and further choose to vacation me for a first offense... so be it, i already talked to Mordeas and he backed my play so while i would prefer they talk to me about it either is fine.

last post, gl out there.

You'll need proof that he trained you and got you and your charm killed.

[Modwolf]

All proof points to one loser. The KSer.

[cd288]

Osargen first priority goes to goblins camp for Charming IMO

[Vallaen]

If you look at the fraps the mage engaged osargen before you. You KS'd him on it, you didnt engage it first.

[Troxx]

I really hope they do. Would go something like this:

CSR: Was the camp claimed when you arrived?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: Did you ask to contest spawns in the camp?
Filly: No.
CSR: How long was the other group at the camp?
Filly: Was a well established camp, as long as i was in zone at least. I heard one guy say he was on list for over 10hrs though.
CSR: How long were you at the camp?
Filly: 5-10minutes.
CSR: Why did you go to the empty spawn at a well established camp?
Filly: The group got trained so I ran over to see if i could steal it.
CSR: Did you make the train?
Filly: No comment.
CSR: At the time of the disputed event was the mob down when the enchanter arrived to pull it?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: Did the enchanter see you clear any spawns previously?
Filly: No, he was busy clearing a train.
CSR: Are you sure you didn't train them?
Filly: No comment.
CSR: Did the enchanter immediately engage the mob when it spawned?
Filly: Yes.
CSR: So you have no reason to believe he knew the camp was being contested, other than your silent presence.
Filly: Correct.
CSR: Did you discuss the event with the enchanter?
Filly: No. I staked my claim, demanded my wants and threatened to report him, then reported him.
CSR: What did the enchanter do.
Filly: He informed me he was discussing the situation with his group.
CSR: What did you do next?
Filly: I told him i had already reported him, edited my fraps video, took a chat pic ommiting parts, posted a thread on the forums and then trained his entire group.
CSR: So, do you want me to flag your account or pretend this never happened?
Filly: Lets pretend you don't know I train them initially as well.
CSR: Ok, sounds good. Thanks for wasting every ones time. Have a nice day.

Btw - My main on teal is a 37 NEC, that I initially stated was Gnekrotek. If they only look at Filly's baited fraps and literally ask nothing else of the situation... and further choose to vacation me for a first offense... so be it, i already talked to Mordeas and he backed my play so while i would prefer they talk to me about it either is fine.

last post, gl out there.

A. If you died or zoned out you lost all claim to any camp in zone, not just the pet you had charmed.

B. Enchanter did not engage on spawn. Video shows him Kill an uncontested, uncharmed, unengaged Os. Video shows him then engage the next spawn while the enchanter stalked outside the door. Video THEN shows the enchanter charm an actively engaged mob.

Enjoy your time out.

[NegaStoat]

Account ban which is conveniently lifted after the Legacy items stop dropping sounds fair for Mordeas due to infraction compounded by attitude.

[DMN]

Ping is just misunderstood, but I mean obviously do not drink his formula if you don't have a sober friend to get you away from him before nightfall.

A. If you died or zoned out you lost all claim to any camp in zone, not just the pet you had charmed.

B. Enchanter did not engage on spawn. Video shows him Kill an uncontested, uncharmed, unengaged Os. Video shows him then engage the next spawn while the enchanter stalked outside the door. Video THEN shows the enchanter charm an actively engaged mob.

Enjoy your time out.

You are wrong. You can't train someone then steal their camp.

[Legidias]

osargen isn't the camp. basement is the camp, osargen is one spawn point in the camp. the entire camp wasn't popped. He ninja'd contested two rounds on a fast respawn target while we were dealing with a train, a train he likely started.

dungeon camps are not FTE (first to encounter) camps, again read the rules - high keep is explicitly classified as a dungeon zone.

that being said it doesn't matter that he stole one or ten, the number he stole just exacerbates the offense.

he got to the camp and it was down, if he wanted to contest the rule is you ask - we pick, then he picks. He forced us to picked osargen through his own actions, and then he chose to cry here because he didn't like what we picked.

Maybe a GM will see it differently, but i doubt it - haven't had a vacation in twenty years - but who knows maybe this nonsense will be the first.

You do realize the goblins are 4 separate camps, which a GM has responded to? And that prisoners / osargen is again, a different camp?????

There is no 'basement' camp.

[Troxx]

You are wrong. You can't train someone then steal their camp.

Congratulations on stating the obvious?

We’ve heard a vague suggestion that this person trained the other group but we’ve had neither and outright accusation nor seen any evidence to suggest that’s the case.

A more likely scenario is that the group screwed up and trained themselves and the cranky enchanter tossed out a smokescreen after being pissed at losing his pet.

[Psyborg]

Osargen first priority goes to goblins camp for Charming IMO

It's fine to hold this opinion but it's not practical. Osargen is a separate camp and even "goblins" isn't a singular camp.

[kjs86z]

Imagine 8+ pages dedicated to HHK Goblin basement in 2019.

What a great time to be alive.

Consider Blue today!

[Sagus]

Give me starter plat/gear for going to inflated top heavy blue and soloing all the way to group game for months? I may consider. Still sounds like a long lonely chore.

[saftbudet]

Threads like me is the reason my teal toon is just lvl 20. I just do wanna get into arguments/interactions with assholes.

[saftbudet]

Threads like me is the reason my teal toon is just lvl 20. I just do wanna get into arguments/interactions with assholes.

do not wanna !:D

[bubur]

threads like this keep me alive

[DMN]

Congratulations on stating the obvious?

We’ve heard a vague suggestion that this person trained the other group but we’ve had neither and outright accusation nor seen any evidence to suggest that’s the case.

A more likely scenario is that the group screwed up and trained themselves and the cranky enchanter tossed out a smokescreen after being pissed at losing his pet.

Ya right, and you don't think it's suspicious this guy is camping at an already cleared spot? And recording video on top of it? And a mage no less, who could much more easily get better exp elsewhere. At the end of the day if someone else had the mob/was clearing it before you showed you have a min necessity to make sure you need to know if that mob is going to be contested or or not. Was that done here?

[Troxx]

With multiple goblin camps I'd be curious how a solo mage could train and kill/wipe a goblin group without being obviously noted/petitioned etc. Possible? Sure. Without solid first hand reports of it? Questionable?

Point is when you wipe or have to zone, you lose any camp you had claim to ... or with regards to this situation ... any mob you had charmed.

Regardless, two wrongs do NOT make a right. Any violation of the PNP is punishable.

What is known is that this enchanter willfully charmed a mob that was engaged by a player who had already cleared the spawn once and then immediately engaged on the next spawn.

The rest? Pure conjecture.

Enchanter will get a time out if GMs review this case. The infraction in question is as slam/dunk, cut/dry as it gets. The video leaves no room for questioning it.

[DMN]

Disagree . if a spawn is cleared you should consider it camped until you know otherwise. He recorded before pulling O, I don't see any ooc asking if hes camped.

That's not speculation. It's in the video. I don't see any chat at all diagnosing the situation.

you don't just show up to cleared camp and say "mine now". Everything additional you have being speculating about.

[Uuruk]

Disagree . if a spawn is cleared you should consider it camped until you know otherwise. He recorded before pulling O, I don't see any ooc asking if hes camped.

That's not speculation. It's in the video. I don't see any chat at all diagnosing the situation.

you don't just show up to cleared camp and say "mine now". Everything additional you have being speculating about.

you can clearly see he killed osargen already at least once. are you fucking retarded?

[Troxx]

Disagree . if a spawn is cleared you should consider it camped until you know otherwise.

You can disagree all you want with the server rules but server rules are server rules.

Video starts with live with an unengaged, uncontested Osargen.
Video shows mage kill it.
Video shows mage waiting for next spawn.
Video shows ench stalk outside door between 1st kill and 2nd spawn after this mage had now established it as his per server rules.
Video shows mage engage 2nd spawn Osargen before ench even stood up.
Video shows ench stand AFTER mage engaged 2nd spawn of Osargen.
Video shows ench start charm spell after mage engaged 2nd spawn and steal it away a a charm pet.

Those are the facts.

Feel free to reply however you see fit, but unless enchanter shows that mage training their group resulting in pet loss the enchanter did a douchebag thing and will get punished. Until new information is offered up, the enchanter lost his pet due to an unrelated incident and decided to steal a mob from another player to exploit a rog_charm mob from another camp to trivialize the camp he was at.

It didn't matter how long he had the pet prior. If he lost his pet due to it dying or his group wiping, he lost the pet and he failed to recharm it before someone else moved in. There is no wiggle room on this issue.

This is why I haven't made a green/teal toon yet. The same bullshit playerbase that has been on blue/red is now on green/teal. The over-camping and over-competition with too many people in too few zones is rife for drama. I'll wait for the population to spread out, the population to burn out, and the lower levels to be uncrowded enough that drama like this can hopefully be avoided.

you can clearly see he killed osargen already at least once. are you fucking retarded?

I'll be honest ... with regards to DMN on this topic, my thoughts completely align with yours.

This isn't a weird grey area. It's really straightforward. Enchanter did a dick move frankly in violation of the PNP and will get punished. Even if evidence emerges that shows said mage wiping the group resulting in pet loss, 2 wrongs do NOT make a right on this box. If someone dicks you over and you dick him back; you both get the barbed dildo of punishment administered per rectum.

[DMN]

you can clearly see he killed osargen already at least once. are you fucking retarded?

And how do you know he wasn't camp stealing, dumb fuck?

[Wallicker]

How does one even train the goblin group? They should all be dead already? /shrug

[DMN]

, uncontested Osargen.
.

It clearly was not uncontested by all currently available information shared by all parties involved. You obviously don't know what the word means on P99.

[Troxx]

/facepalm

[Widan]

It clearly was not uncontested by all currently available information shared by all parties involved. You obviously don't know what the word means on P99.

Have you been diagnosed with some kind of disability irl? Because your posting all over these forums is the most retarded shit I've ever had to read.

[Hibbs]

Yikes.

Imagine being this mad.

lol

[DMN]

Have you been diagnosed with some kind of disability irl? Because your posting all over these forums is the most retarded shit I've ever had to read.

Yes, I've been diagnosed with existence, which means I have to deal with low IQ morons like you on a daily basis.

[MaCtastic]

Doesn't matter how long you had him as a pet. It died and you lost him and Mage claimed it. You stole it. Simple as that.

He's right, you know.

[Modwolf]

Clearly just arguing to argue. Ignore the troll.

[Phaezed-Reality]

In the elf justice system, bad player based offenses are considered especially heinous. In Erudin, the dedicated scribes who investigate these vicious bad players are members of an elite squad known as the < Dark Men of Odus > . These are their stories.

[Benanov]

In the elf justice system, bad player based offenses are considered especially heinous. In Erudin, the dedicated scribes who investigate these vicious bad players are members of an elite squad known as the < Dark Men of Odus > . These are their stories.

DUN DUN

[Frug]

Have you been diagnosed with some kind of disability irl? Because your posting all over these forums is the most retarded shit I've ever had to read.

Pro tip:

https://i.imgur.com/xTrMjy1.png

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Can't wait for the charm nerfs. It's having a hugely negative impact on the enjoyment of many players, and is ruining the "classic experience" in many ways as well!

[Natewest1987]

Are charm nerfs incoming ?

[Modwolf]

Pro tip:

https://i.imgur.com/xTrMjy1.png

Qft

[Kerwin 5.0]

cringe, didnt clack

[Zeboim]

How to not be involved with shitheads:

Stay out of HHK

[cd288]

Can't wait for the charm nerfs. It's having a hugely negative impact on the enjoyment of many players, and is ruining the "classic experience" in many ways as well!

Ok salty necro

[cd288]

Are charm nerfs incoming ?

Lol no. Just like 2 or 3 idiots whining loudly that Enchanters are powerful and therefore need to be nerfed even though it wouldn’t be classic because too many people are playing them compared to the number played on classic.

[Nirgon]

Can't wait for the charm nerfs. It's having a hugely negative impact on the enjoyment of many players, and is ruining the "classic experience" in many ways as well!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Canelek]

Wait, people are crying about enchanters now?

[Pozzey]

Official GM ruling is 1 room = 1 camp. I speak from experience.

You're welcome.

[Bazia]

Quick reminder most accomplished raid tank on green/teal is literally an imp protector

fucking encs man

[Kerwin 5.0]

Wait, people are crying about enchanters now?

[cd288]

Quick reminder most accomplished raid tank on green/teal is literally an imp protector

fucking encs man

Thought they proved it wasn’t MTing

[Bazia]

Thought they proved it wasn’t MTing

not only did it MT but after the encounter in discord people were saying it did over half the raid dps as well