Lists for camps. A total Failure.

[Hyjalx]

Word on the street is Teal and Green offer Manastone/Jboot/Guises just like in classic, but there is a 100% non-classic mechanic in use to obtain them.

All ya gotta do is physically sit at the keyboard and hit an afk check every 10 minutes for up to (or over) 50 hours and these wonderful pixels can be yours.

During classic on blue, you asked the dude ahead of ya that was holding the list to put your name in, and you did something else that wasn't a mentally and physically terrible. Sometimes you asked them to text your phone. Life was peachy.

Yes, I get it... guilds or groups of friends will monopolize the camp, but frankly, this was something that was over-thought. Heres why:


1. We have a mechanic in place that is essentially a revolving door for loot that is forcing our community to stay logged in 40+ hours to get items. Sounds fun right?


Example. Ask anyone at Jboot or Manastone camp.


How about enforcing the person killing EE to be accountable for a list and capping it, rather than forcing the community to sit at the PC for several days at a time for an item that everyone wants.

And I am sure there will be an argument that.. well, don't like the rules, then don't do it? If these camps are just going to be a revolving door of people waiting in line for 50 hours, doesn't it defeat the entire reason these items are even special to begin with? Why have 2 classic servers, and neither of them have classic rules and it just be a revolving door of wasted time?


2. To add insult to injury, we have players who couldn't normally hold down these camps, holding down these camps. Further adding to the que.

Example. A level 25 warrior had Jboot camp, but couldnt get in the door, and couldnt kill Rathyl. The camp was held for several hours without the PH ever being killed. Most players under 30 would struggle holding down that room solo.


All you need is no life or a weeks vacation to sit and stare at the PC. This is a failed mechanic, and makes the most exciting part of the game one of the worst parts of p99.

[Hyjalx]

3. I heard a story of someone who waited on the list for EE for 20 hours, got #1... then 4 hours into the camp, missed an AFK check before the PH even spawned and was removed.

This is how you lose your playerbase

[Woke Locc]

Blue has shown that players will lawyer the crap out of any kind of personal enforcement and it's a lot easier to just make the computer do it.

Sorry for your profit loss.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

I think the point that you have so clearly missed is that the VOLUNTEER guides don't want to have to enforce this bullshit and so they automated it instead.

The players have proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted to adhere to rules and courtesy. (Speaking of which your name looks super familiar!)

There is a huge difference from blue classic and green classic. There wasn't even a wiki for a while was there? EVERYONE knows where the manastone drops now, not to mention the population differences.

The players with no lives, no jobs and no wives have always been the ones to get the rarest loot in this game. I have never wanted these virtual items that badly but I can at least understand how it has to be this way in order for those rare items to have VALUE. It is what separates EQ from WoW.

[Hyjalx]

Yes, the players with no lives get the loot. Not arguing that, but forcing the community to hit an afk check every 10 minutes for 20+ hours to even get a chance to fight the mob (for even us hardcores) is a failure imo.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

So keep the list, do away with the afk is your solution?

[ZiggyTheMuss]

afk-check*

[Videri]

Threads on this topic:
28 Hours and 24 min since last Manastone (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340915)

Potential "fix" for the stone /list (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340786)

The real "fix" for the manastone (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340917)

Insanity :10 hours per manastone, there's like 12 people on the list now (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340510)

Not everyone will get a list item (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=338540)

I don't know if we need any more.

[Valeriya]

Hyjal still plays p99?

[saftbudet]

Woulda been alot better with the old farming cartells!
Keep the valuable loot within a small community.

[Valeriya]

fuck the list

[Phatez]

Fuck the list

[KansasComrade]

Threads on this topic:
28 Hours and 24 min since last Manastone (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340915)

Potential "fix" for the stone /list (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340786)

The real "fix" for the manastone (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340917)

Insanity :10 hours per manastone, there's like 12 people on the list now (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340510)

Not everyone will get a list item (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=338540)

I don't know if we need any more.

Yes this is a hot new take

[Valeriya]

these cry baby leftists needs someone to hold their had for loot

[Danth]

Welcome to reason #2301 why most newer MMORPGs use liberal amounts of instancing. An open-world game means the majority of players will not obtain the rarest items. ~400 or so manastones, if even that many, will drop for the many thousands of players on "green". That mathematical reality is part of the cost of entry to this type of game. No system--absolutely none--that preserves such a rate of item generation is going to satisfy the starry-eyed low-hours players who started up on "Green" assuming that /list would guarantee them their oh-so-coveted pixels. Most of them aren't going to get one, period. I knew better than to even try, and tried to warn others weeks ago but such warnings were paid little heed in the pre-launch period of hope and dreams.

Right now with a low average player level the screeching is about manastones and jboots and whatnot, but is there a single longtime P99'er who doesn't anticipate seeing more of the same screeching as soon as raiding starts? All those folks who're new to P1999 and have only vague memories of the pre-expansion game are in for an unpleasant shock once they see a bunch of guilds arguing over a mere handful of targets...and there's no /list (presently) there to save them by locking anyone out, either.

I don't know if I'll stick with these new servers all that long, but I know enough about the original game to know that anyone can get to 50 with just basic, commonly-available equipment. EQ--especially pre-expansion EQ--isn't tuned all that tightly. The high-demand rare items are luxuries that aren't needed or in many cases even all that helpful. Guise is a fluff item. So's Rubicite Breastplate with its tiny +2 regeneration. Jboots are rendered unnecessary by anyone who can cast Spirit of Wolf. Most the classes in the game don't get all that much use out of a Manastone. Step back, take a deep breath, remember that it's all a bunch of video game pixels, and say "No!" to the pixel sickness.

Danth

[saftbudet]

fuck the list

so mad :-)

[Wallicker]

Find two friends take shifts, if you don’t have friends you don’t deserve a manastone.

[cd288]

Boring spam thread

[Lulz Sect]

this has proven to be a fascinating social experiment
whatever happened to play the damn game and have fun
avoid the pixel rot!

[Legidias]

List is love, list is life (a full life sentence, that is)

[Solist]

this has proven to be a fascinating social experiment
whatever happened to play the damn game and have fun
avoid the pixel rot!

This is not playing the game, to be able to play the game more. It's sick.

I'm on hour 68 total of manastone camps, 52hrs (fail @ #1 for afk when i wasnt afk) + 4hrs (Passed out/not recovered from first) + 14hrs (current ongoing, suspect it'll be 60ish based on list position.

Truly is retarded.

[Lulz Sect]

Yes camping a manastone sounds like it

[solleks]

This is not playing the game, to be able to play the game more. It's sick.

I'm on hour 68 total of manastone camps, 52hrs (fail @ #1 for afk when i wasnt afk) + 4hrs (Passed out/not recovered from first) + 14hrs (current ongoing, suspect it'll be 60ish based on list position.

Truly is retarded.

Truly is retarded.Truly is retarded.Truly is retarded.Truly is retarded.Truly is retarded.

[kjs86z]

This is not playing the game, to be able to play the game more. It's sick.

I'm on hour 68 total of manastone camps, 52hrs (fail @ #1 for afk when i wasnt afk) + 4hrs (Passed out/not recovered from first) + 14hrs (current ongoing, suspect it'll be 60ish based on list position.

Truly is retarded.

seek help

[Cecil]

This is not playing the game, to be able to play the game more. It's sick.

I'm on hour 68 total of manastone camps, 52hrs (fail @ #1 for afk when i wasnt afk) + 4hrs (Passed out/not recovered from first) + 14hrs (current ongoing, suspect it'll be 60ish based on list position.

Truly is retarded.

Who is truly? And why does it matter that he/she/it is retarded?

[Rang]

The brain starts to degenerate and get a smooth texture after being in a pixel purgatory for over 50 hours. Have some pity on this man who probably has not showered or left his hovel for almost 3 days

[Mblake81]

Welcome to reason #2301 why most newer MMORPGs suck.

Conan was the last new mmo-rpg lite game I played, the genre was burnt toast by this point and not worth considering anymore imo.

[saftbudet]

Sounds like list works as intended!
Imagine if they had not made teal server!

[Argh]

Have you tried not camping the most camped items in the game?

[Uuruk]

I just got my 3rd manastone.

[Valeriya]

List is love, list is life (a full life sentence, that is)

You're a loser at least compete for loot. having rogean hold you're hand is pathetic. p99 isnt classic

[ItsDeckard]

Yeah, I agree. Let's get rid of the list thing and let one character with 3 players sharing credentials monopolize it and buy loot rights from them for 6000 plat on week 2 of the server being online. But man, I'd hate to have to argue with anyone to be the next one to throw almost certain RMT amounts of plat at them so I can loot it. Maybe they'll make like a list to keep it from turning ugly.

[drdrakes]

Yeah, I agree. Let's get rid of the list thing and let one character with 3 players sharing credentials monopolize it and buy loot rights from them for 6000 plat on week 2 of the server being online. But man, I'd hate to have to argue with anyone to be the next one to throw almost certain RMT amounts of plat at them so I can loot it. Maybe they'll make like a list to keep it from turning ugly.

I'm all for this, WTB Manastone for 6k. I'll meet you anywhere.

[Valeriya]

Fuck the list

[Not_Mikeo]

Solution: make manastones no rent.

[Mercius]

Yeah, I agree. Let's get rid of the list thing and let one character with 3 players sharing credentials monopolize it and buy loot rights from them for 6000 plat on week 2 of the server being online. But man, I'd hate to have to argue with anyone to be the next one to throw almost certain RMT amounts of plat at them so I can loot it. Maybe they'll make like a list to keep it from turning ugly.

this is exactly what would happen

[nyclin]

Fuck the list

https://i.imgur.com/pL0swQu.png

those evil leftists finally got him

[bigjeff100]

God damn the leftists and spell check

[Horza]

leftist forum moderators!!

[feniin]

https://i.imgur.com/pL0swQu.png

those evil leftists finally got him

Couldn't have happened to a better "person"

[bigjeff100]

Couldn't have happened to a better "person"

Valeriya is an STD of the forums Who hasn't been wearing protection and managed to let that slip through......

[bigjeff100]

Valeriya is an STD of the forums Who hasn't been wearing protection and managed to let that slip through......

Valeriya is an STD of the forums. Who hasn't been wearing protection and managed to let that slip through?

[Lhord99]

Man, I take a mental health day and not one, but TWO, bite the dust!!!

RIP in peace V. We probably would never agree on much more than "flatbread isn't pizza," but you kept us entertained.

[whitebandit]

Im starting to have my doubts on this system myself...

Ran into a list camp with no one on it then be immediately berated by the people with sub 35 there and told to LEAVE for having the audacity to use the methods in which GMS have given us to list for an item....

Long story short, within minutes i was trained. Got that on video so, i suppose we will see what happens there..

[Videri]

Im starting to have my doubts on this system myself...

Ran into a list camp with no one on it then be immediately berated by the people with sub 35 there and told to LEAVE for having the audacity to use the methods in which GMS have given us to list for an item....

Long story short, within minutes i was trained. Got that on video so, i suppose we will see what happens there..

They were clearly in the wrong. All they have to do is level to 35 (25 for Drelzna’s JBoots) and no one can stop them from getting a list item.

[Natewest1987]

Word on the street is Teal and Green offer Manastone/Jboot/Guises just like in classic, but there is a 100% non-classic mechanic in use to obtain them.

All ya gotta do is physically sit at the keyboard and hit an afk check every 10 minutes for up to (or over) 50 hours and these wonderful pixels can be yours.

During classic on blue, you asked the dude ahead of ya that was holding the list to put your name in, and you did something else that wasn't a mentally and physically terrible. Sometimes you asked them to text your phone. Life was peachy.

Yes, I get it... guilds or groups of friends will monopolize the camp, but frankly, this was something that was over-thought. Heres why:


1. We have a mechanic in place that is essentially a revolving door for loot that is forcing our community to stay logged in 40+ hours to get items. Sounds fun right?


Example. Ask anyone at Jboot or Manastone camp.


How about enforcing the person killing EE to be accountable for a list and capping it, rather than forcing the community to sit at the PC for several days at a time for an item that everyone wants.

And I am sure there will be an argument that.. well, don't like the rules, then don't do it? If these camps are just going to be a revolving door of people waiting in line for 50 hours, doesn't it defeat the entire reason these items are even special to begin with? Why have 2 classic servers, and neither of them have classic rules and it just be a revolving door of wasted time?


2. To add insult to injury, we have players who couldn't normally hold down these camps, holding down these camps. Further adding to the que.

Example. A level 25 warrior had Jboot camp, but couldnt get in the door, and couldnt kill Rathyl. The camp was held for several hours without the PH ever being killed. Most players under 30 would struggle holding down that room solo.


All you need is no life or a weeks vacation to sit and stare at the PC. This is a failed mechanic, and makes the most exciting part of the game one of the worst parts of p99.

Text your phone ? In 1999?

[solleks]

is everquest over yet?

[Natewest1987]

seek help

Not exactly helpful

[Natewest1987]

Im starting to have my doubts on this system myself...

Ran into a list camp with no one on it then be immediately berated by the people with sub 35 there and told to LEAVE for having the audacity to use the methods in which GMS have given us to list for an item....

Long story short, within minutes i was trained. Got that on video so, i suppose we will see what happens there..

Wait... so it was being camped by people who were not high enough to be on the list, and then you showed up and listed yourself ? Damn lol

[Kit]

Wipe Green/Teal after last velious patch. That'll learn em.

[shuklak]

Wait... so it was being camped by people who were not high enough to be on the list, and then you showed up and listed yourself ? Damn lol

Bold move cotton.

Let's see how it plays out.