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stewe
11-13-2019, 01:49 PM
The NON-suprise is that it wasnt a pally that got it, so how many soulfires do ppl think will be gotten before an actual paladin who will literally use it as an actual upgrade gets one, the neckbeards are already perma camping lucan ,there was a druid chilling in his room before i posted this. I've said it before and ill say it again, soulfire need to be FIXED like it was on live and make it only clickable when equip, why the DEVS keep allowing this abused item to be allowed to trivialize raids is beyond me and dont give me the classic BS, classic didnt stop them from nerfing the Hoop and other things already.

Secrets
11-13-2019, 01:56 PM
Ivandyr's Hoop dealt damage, Soulfire does not. You can't have a guild full of soulfire-bagged players right click a mob down. You can use it defensively hence why it wasn't nerfed.

/thread

Nirgon
11-13-2019, 02:00 PM
It was used by the Rallos Zek test of tactics team to win the competition. It is classic as is.

Lulz Sect
11-13-2019, 02:23 PM
sorry you didn’t get complete healed

BurtMacklinFBI
11-13-2019, 02:35 PM
NERF SOULFIRE

RIP HANDSOMECHAD STACEYSLAYER 2019-2019

shuklak
11-13-2019, 02:54 PM
If a Paladin wants it then they are welcome to get over as well.

Lhord99
11-13-2019, 03:55 PM
If I only read the caps, I read NON FIXED DEVS BS, which paints a picture of un-neutered guys named Dev (Either Dev, a popular south-Asian name, or Devin, you choose) getting up to some bs, yet again.

What’s Devin up to now?!

Halox
11-13-2019, 04:57 PM
Anyone who thinks that green isn’t going to just become another blue is delusional. It’s the same people playing on both.

Valeriya
11-13-2019, 04:58 PM
Anyone who thinks that green isn’t going to just become another blue is delusional. It’s the same people playing on both.

Liberals and Leftists

cutelittlecow
11-13-2019, 05:07 PM
hi

Valeriya
11-13-2019, 05:10 PM
hi

Wonkie
11-13-2019, 05:18 PM
hi

Moo

Horza
11-13-2019, 05:22 PM
https://i.imgur.com/z69rBp1.jpg

cutelittlecow
11-13-2019, 05:25 PM
Moo

Valeriya
11-13-2019, 05:36 PM
https://i.imgur.com/z69rBp1.jpg

Fake News!

Tuljin
11-13-2019, 05:58 PM
Anyone who thinks that green isn’t going to just become another blue is delusional. It’s the same people playing on both.

This is true but the big difference is time.

There won't be Chardok AOE and there will be FAR less toons available to camp. What do you think is going to happen when people need to get VP keyed? Any idea how much "competition" there will be?

Which brings me to my main point - nobody can be promised gear when they join a "rAiD" guild and poopsock. So much of what happened with "rAiDiNg" on blue was possible because warmbodies waited months to get drops but were guaranteed something eventually. The people that are going to be in the running for first to get a Crown of Rile already know who they are. The question is how many warmbody nubs from WoW will be willing to help them in return for 0 loot.

It will be very interesting that's for damn sure lol

Cecil
11-13-2019, 06:39 PM
Fake News!

A dirty disgusting man and you voted for him for president.

Psyborg
11-13-2019, 08:54 PM
This is true but the big difference is time.

There won't be Chardok AOE and there will be FAR less toons available to camp. What do you think is going to happen when people need to get VP keyed? Any idea how much "competition" there will be?

Which brings me to my main point - nobody can be promised gear when they join a "rAiD" guild and poopsock. So much of what happened with "rAiDiNg" on blue was possible because warmbodies waited months to get drops but were guaranteed something eventually. The people that are going to be in the running for first to get a Crown of Rile already know who they are. The question is how many warmbody nubs from WoW will be willing to help them in return for 0 loot.

It will be very interesting that's for damn sure lol

There will be absolutely no difference between the blue and green raid scenes.

Valeriya
11-13-2019, 08:56 PM
A dirty disgusting man and you voted for him for president.

Shut up

Tuljin
11-13-2019, 08:58 PM
Yeah "there won't be any difference" besides the fact that theres way less loot to go around and way less time to level toons to park everywhere with little incentive to join a raid guild if you're not already a member of a cabal

So yeah if "won't be any different" means still a clusterfuck yes, that's true. There's wayyyyyy less loot to go around for more people as well as far less time to level especially come Kunark. Big difference.

Croco
11-13-2019, 10:23 PM
Ivandyr's Hoop dealt damage, Soulfire does not. You can't have a guild full of soulfire-bagged players right click a mob down. You can use it defensively hence why it wasn't nerfed.

/thread

2 sides of the exact same coin, this is a terrible argument

Cecily
11-13-2019, 10:28 PM
2 sides of the exact same coin, this is a terrible argument

https://i.imgur.com/hBciFn8.jpg

Cecil
11-14-2019, 12:21 AM
Shut up

That hurt, didn’t it?

Secrets
11-14-2019, 01:37 AM
2 sides of the exact same coin, this is a terrible argument

One can be used by a raid of 72 people to kill a dragon in seconds. One can be used to kill a dragon in the normal time it takes for a dragon to die.

Is that too complex for you, or should I break it down even further?

Croco
11-14-2019, 04:31 AM
One can be used by a raid of 72 people to kill a dragon in seconds. One can be used to kill a dragon in the normal time it takes for a dragon to die.

Is that too complex for you, or should I break it down even further?

The time it takes to kill the dragon is irrelevant. They both trivialize content.

"This one takes longer for the people to trivialize the content so it's ok". :rolleyes:

Secrets
11-14-2019, 05:14 PM
The time it takes to kill the dragon is irrelevant. They both trivialize content.

"This one takes longer for the people to trivialize the content so it's ok". :rolleyes:

The content is trivialized because we've been doing it for 20 years, not because it is challenging. People can complete raids without SoulFire clickies by using complete heal chains.

The speed of which you kill a dragon DOES matter. If you kill it instantly before it has a chance to react, you further increase the issue that was already presented with P99's 'first to engage' system.

If someone engages a dragon, and fails to kill it due to a wipe, you can take over as a guild waiting their turn for a try. That's not the case with Ivandyr's Hoops, and there is still the factor of tank aggro.

Not to mention Ivandyr's hoops can be used to out-dps players at camps, which is against the rules - why give players the means to easily break the rules?

There are so many scenarios you're just ignoring because you want to make the argument that 'everquest is hard' - no, everquest is tedious, but not hard.

stewe
11-15-2019, 01:02 PM
Very first naggy kill and guess what got clicked by the cleric that has it, he has confirmed it if you think i am lying.

Llandris
11-15-2019, 01:27 PM
Very first naggy kill and guess what got clicked by the cleric that has it, he has confirmed it if you think i am lying.

https://i.imgur.com/XipYT6p.png

Psyborg
11-15-2019, 01:34 PM
https://i.imgur.com/XipYT6p.png

That's precious.

Dildy
11-15-2019, 02:06 PM
“You're a perfect example of why non-classic changes are necessary.

You come here to a classic server with the expectation of all past exploitable things being abusable, otherwise it's not legitimized in your mind. You fail to realize that it's not classic to begin with if these things people barely knew about started getting widespread usage, they no longer become classic. Many of these things were changed back then immediately upon developer realizations, for good reason.

To repeat something I said in Discord and to address one item in your list, NToV dragons were never solo pulled to the zone in in Classic with the consistency and precision that we started to see here. People raided NToV like a normal raid zone. A change was needed to return that to be the case. These mobs were rooted in Luclin because it was always intended by the developers that they be fought in or near their lairs.

We will continue to make changes as we feel necessary to restore a classic atmosphere and difficulty, including non-classic changes to meet those goals. To not do so otherwise would result in a server far detrimental to the health of the community as a whole.

I will not be commenting on this again.”
__________________
Sean "Rogean" Norton
Project 1999 Co-Manager
Project 1999 Setup Guide

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With the recent statings of Rogean, I hereby propose on this date, a change in the holiest of weapons in a Paladin’s arsenal, Soulfire. Brothers and sisters in arms, I am calling upon you all, please sheath your Soulfires. If you do not possess the nobility of the blade, please do not continue to desecrate the sanctity of this holy weapon. This weapon is said to trap the souls of anyone killed by this blade within its hilt, being forever tormented. I am asking you all to give up your Soulfires and free these tormented souls.

I have done extensive research and this item was not intended to be abused. (See this old everquest posts as reference):

“We have reviewed Ghoulbane and SoulFire and will be making some changes to these items with the next patch.
Ghoulbane will become No Drop and SoulFire will require the proper Race/Class to activate. We wanted to make you aware of these changes before we made them. These weapons are really intended to be holy weapons, and these changes should make them exclusive to Paladins. We will also be reviewing the quest to make certain that it is working after the patch.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20020122.../everlore.com/

As you can see, the intent was never to allow other classes to wield such a mighty weapon. The rampant abuse had plagued Everquest for a long time and finally came to an end. Once the GMs learned of the exploitation, they acted swiftly. Here is one of many reasons Soulfire was changed:

“They are changing the SF to No Drop and Pally Only because in Test of Tactics 3 that was held on the Rallos Zek server (teams of 6 people from each one of the servers in a big brawl basically) Most of the compeditors were using SFs as a healing perpose, so the opponent would have to kill them 6 times before they were dead (5 charges of complete healing, Duh!)”
https://web.archive.org/web/20020207....asp?ID=546749

Lo! Paladins of Norrath unite! Revolt against the masses! Long are the days where we have been cast aside for warriors and clerics! I am calling on a Soulfire strike by all of those who are not worthy to wield the great fiery blade! Make Paladins great again! It is our time to shine while wielding the holiest of weapons…Soulfire!

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Artelius Lightweaver - 60 Paladin <Auld Lang Syne>
Nerf Soulfire.

shuklak
11-15-2019, 03:07 PM
Soulfire or Immersionfrier?

You decide.