I've had a great time on Teal

[Pilgrimzero]

I saw there was a lack of Rogues and decided to give it a shot. Doing my part to serve the greater good.

And I gotta admit, 7-10 was rough. Hard to find a group and I couldnt really solo quick enough.

BUT I heard about the CB Belts and holy crap is that good XP. Belts got me from 7-10. And I could solo CEnts fairly easily and made a nice sum of cash selling belts. And while less plenitful Pads are just as nice as mu current level of 12.

10-12 has been quick. I get into groups rather quickly (in CB). I guess that Backstab is really nice (the Orcs seem to hate it). 13 is one bubble away and then its duel wield time.

Ive had more fun and an easier time on this fresh server than I did on Blue with a slightly twinked character (thanks to generous people just handing me magic items and armor at the bank).

So yeah Thanks Devs! Havent had this much fun in EQ since back in the day.

[Cen]

Rogues seem awesome. Keep that throwing skill up for fun :D people always get suprised by critical throws

[El-Hefe]

The first rule of Teal server is you don’t talk about Teal server...


But yeah, really beats the crap out of trying to level on Blue.

[casiof91w]

It has been a blast. I just got my friend playing for the first time, also his first mmorpg. He picked a Paladin; I feel like I should have recommended something a little easier to start out like a Necro or Druid, but I didn't want to spoil the fun of picking something you like lorewise.

[bum3]

Teal is love.. Teal is life.

[El-Hefe]

Well let me Teal you something, Mean Gene!

[sentinel]

Yeah I was on Teal like white on p99 forum users. Day one /mover here.

Party is kinda over, it is still awesome, but the populations are starting to equalize.

[Shimring]

Teal is amazing!

Having so much fun and love the fact that I don't have 5 enchanters soloing on my group at all times as was the case on Green. I moved on Day 1 as well.

I have enjoyed group immensely and it has been awesome to actually have groups that communicate, unlike modern MMOs.

Thank you so much Devs for Green and Teal! Been a blast!

[Pilgrimzero]

I don’t think I’ve been in a single group that doesn’t have 2 Enchanters. And possibly 2 Druids.

[casiof91w]

Yeah seems to be a lot of enchs and druids so far

[bum3]

My wife makes our groups. We rarely join others. We try to pick up the unwanted. Rogues, rangers, warriors, and other hybrids. But it's worth it. Our guild is half tanks and rogues now. We are prepared.

[Lone Gnome]

paladin is a great first class, sturdy and can support yourself

[bbsmitz]

I'm seriously considering switching to Teal, but the lower population gives me pause about finding people to group with, particularly in less popular zones (which I'm interested in trying out since I'm new to EQ). Are there any guilds recruiting that also are more interested in the journey than just leveling up?

[bum3]

I'm seriously considering switching to Teal, but the lower population gives me pause about finding people to group with, particularly in less popular zones (which I'm interested in trying out since I'm new to EQ). Are there any guilds recruiting that also are more interested in the journey than just leveling up?

Fear not. Teal is catching up to green fast. Last night it was only 200 less.

[Tecmos Deception]

My wife makes our groups. We rarely join others. We try to pick up the unwanted. Rogues, rangers, warriors, and other hybrids. But it's worth it. Our guild is half tanks and rogues now. We are prepared.

Hah. That's cool. Guild name should be <Island of Misfit Toys> or something :)

[bum3]

Hah. That's cool. Guild name should be <Island of Misfit Toys> or something :)

Hahah I like that. It's Detached. Still fitting IMHO.

[Gaedan]

Hah. That's cool. Guild name should be <Island of Misfit Toys> or something :)

I would legit join that guild.

[Shimring]

I'm seriously considering switching to Teal, but the lower population gives me pause about finding people to group with, particularly in less popular zones (which I'm interested in trying out since I'm new to EQ). Are there any guilds recruiting that also are more interested in the journey than just leveling up?

If you swap to Teal, you can check out our guild, Detached. We generally create groups and go to zones/camps more off the beaten path. We just want to group up and have a good time, not really into leveling the fastest. Great exp is good and all, but the journey and fun are much more important.

We are US based with players on every evening and the weekends. Players range from PST-EST time.

If you are interested, feel free to send any of our members a tell and they should be able to get you in touch with an officer.

[Zill]

I saw there was a lack of Rogues and decided to give it a shot. Doing my part to serve the greater good.

And I gotta admit, 7-10 was rough. Hard to find a group and I couldnt really solo quick enough.

BUT I heard about the CB Belts and holy crap is that good XP. Belts got me from 7-10.

I'm stuck at 7 and I've been waiting on the gat dayum Cent camp in Misty to open up since 6:00am this morning.

Fresh servers are fun but waiting your turn for a camp sure as hell isn't lol

[cd288]

Fear not. Teal is catching up to green fast. Last night it was only 200 less.

Yeah a ton of people from my guild have rolled characters there within the past week to level while they also play their Green chars at the same time

[Quinas]

Yeah a ton of people from my guild have rolled characters there within the past week to level while they also play their Green chars at the same time

What's your end game here dude?

[WaffleztheAndal]

What's your end game here dude?

Legal boxing is my guess, they get double the investment when the server remerges. Assuming it is legal to play on green and teal simultaneously.

[Quinas]

Legal boxing is my guess, they get double the investment when the server remerges. Assuming it is legal to play on green and teal simultaneously.

He's just been ragging on Teal since it started, saying everyone is there boxing. Just not sure what his caper is.

[cd288]

What's your end game here dude?

Me? I have zero end game. I was just pointing it out and agreeing that the pop has been increasing.

Post-split Green pop has stayed pretty much the same, while Teal has increased by hundreds. You really think a 20 year old emulation all the sudden got a few hundred completely brand new players out of nowhere? Initially, people didn't realize it was permitted to play on both. Once they realized, they've been flocking to create Teal alts since the servers will merge eventually so there's no reason not to. Via /ooc and guild chat I've seen over 100 people in the past week say they created Teal alts in recent days. I've been in several groups over the past few days where multiple group members said they were playing a Teal character at the same exact time. Idc...I was just pointing it out in the context of a pop increase discussion.

[Cen]

I would have expected to see a no boxing rule between teal and green since teal exists to help mitigate pop of green :p

[cd288]

I would have expected to see a no boxing rule between teal and green since teal exists to help mitigate pop of green :p

Eh, enough people moved from Green to Teal that Green is barely crowded except maybe for 1-2 hours per night in the most popular spots. Otherwise, it honestly doesn't feel crowded at all.

[Quinas]

Still think it's crazy to allow boxing between Green and Teal.

They can and should police and enforce this.

[cd288]

Still think it's crazy to allow boxing between Green and Teal.

They can and should police and enforce this.

They've always permitted playing on multiple P99 servers at once. Anyone who has a problem with it should've voted against the split then.

[Quinas]

They've always permitted playing on multiple P99 servers at once. Anyone who has a problem with it should've voted against the split then.

Anyone with some sense would see that Teal and Green are different from Red and Blue (never merging) or Blue and Green (merging in three years time).

They are effectively time-dilated shards of the same server and could be merged as soon as 3-6 months from now. Being in favour of splitting (I didn't vote either way FYI) doesn't necessarily mean someone has to support playing both servers at once. Nor should there have been an assumption that you could do so.

[cd288]

Anyone with some sense would see that Teal and Green are different from Red and Blue (never merging) or Blue and Green (merging in three years time).

They are effectively time-dilated shards of the same server and could be merged as soon as 3-6 months from now. Being in favour of splitting (I didn't vote either way FYI) doesn't necessarily mean someone has to support playing both servers at once. Nor should there have been an assumption that you could do so.

I believe at one point there was a comment that it would be possible, but at any rate if they aren't citing something as prohibited you shouldn't assume that it would be so.

Kind of ended up the best of both worlds I suppose. People on Teal got their new, less crowded server and other people get to farm extra platinum and items. Win win.

[bbsmitz]

Me? I have zero end game. I was just pointing it out and agreeing that the pop has been increasing.

Post-split Green pop has stayed pretty much the same, while Teal has increased by hundreds. You really think a 20 year old emulation all the sudden got a few hundred completely brand new players out of nowhere? Initially, people didn't realize it was permitted to play on both. Once they realized, they've been flocking to create Teal alts since the servers will merge eventually so there's no reason not to. Via /ooc and guild chat I've seen over 100 people in the past week say they created Teal alts in recent days. I've been in several groups over the past few days where multiple group members said they were playing a Teal character at the same exact time. Idc...I was just pointing it out in the context of a pop increase discussion.

There were 2400+ players at launch, so it's not as if these players had zero sever presence before the split. 1400 unique on green and 1k unique on Teal is certainly possible although I bet at least a decent chunk are boxing.

[cd288]

There were 2400+ players at launch, so it's not as if these players had zero sever presence before the split. 1400 unique on green and 1k unique on Teal is certainly possible although I bet at least a decent chunk are boxing.

I just don't think it's very likely. Green's pop declined by about the same amount as Teal started with at the time of the split. I really don't think there are another like 300 people out there who just happened to decide to join P99 sometime after the split. I would guess about 1/3 of Teal's population is also playing another character on Green simultaneously.

[Frug]

Me? I have zero end game. I was just pointing it out and agreeing that the pop has been increasing.

Post-split Green pop has stayed pretty much the same, while Teal has increased by hundreds.

I'd like to see your evidence of this. Based on numbers from eqemulator.org (which sadly I think does include people at the login/char select screens and not in game), this is pretty much false. The overall population of green+teal has been steadily decreasing, as to be expected from any freeshard after opening.

Your jihad against Teal is just weird.

https://i.imgur.com/gMneVq9.png

[Frug]

Anyone with some sense would see that Teal and Green are different from Red and Blue (never merging) or Blue and Green (merging in three years time).

They are effectively time-dilated shards of the same server and could be merged as soon as 3-6 months from now. Being in favour of splitting (I didn't vote either way FYI) doesn't necessarily mean someone has to support playing both servers at once. Nor should there have been an assumption that you could do so.

And? This allegation of rampant boxing by some is either false (more likely), or it's true and the population which is gently decreasing is doing so in SPITE of it. I find this hard to believe.

[Frug]

He's just been ragging on Teal since it started, saying everyone is there boxing. Just not sure what his caper is.

His persistence will pay off at some point, and then he can claim some victory for being "right" on the internet, after perhaps years of being wrong. Classic trolling.

[cd288]

I'd like to see your evidence of this. Based on numbers from eqemulator.org (which sadly I think does include people at the login/char select screens and not in game), this is pretty much false. The overall population of green+teal has been steadily decreasing, as to be expected from any freeshard after opening.

Your jihad against Teal is just weird.

https://i.imgur.com/gMneVq9.png

Erm, you just posted something that shows that between 11/5 and 11/10, Green's population declined by about 75 people and Teal's increased by like 230. Kind of proves my point that the Green decrease vs. Teal increase isn't 1:1. I know we all like P99 here, but Teal isn't randomly drawing hundreds of totally brand new unique people.

[Barkingturtle]

Erm, you just posted something that shows that between 11/5 and 11/10, Green's population declined by about 75 people and Teal's increased by like 230. Kind of proves my point that the Green decrease vs. Teal increase isn't 1:1. I know we all like P99 here, but Teal isn't randomly drawing hundreds of totally brand new unique people.

Your math is off by embarrassing margins.

Teal gained 196 in that span.

Green lost 135, for a difference of 61. It seems entirely feasible that Teal has brought in 61 people who were turned off by how crowded Green was at launch, but more importantly, the total between the two servers has been hovering right at 2400 the entire time. The net increase since launch is 19 players, so at worst there might that many two-boxers.

[Spock2020]

I check population both in green and teal and what I saw is green population has been decreasing by many hundred while teal has increase by many hundred but total population hasn't move much so i'm inclined to think that many had move from green to teal.

[bum3]

I'd like to see your evidence of this. Based on numbers from eqemulator.org (which sadly I think does include people at the login/char select screens and not in game), this is pretty much false. The overall population of green+teal has been steadily decreasing, as to be expected from any freeshard after opening.

Your jihad against Teal is just weird.

https://i.imgur.com/gMneVq9.png

Thanks for visual evidence. Reading is hard. =(

[Smashed]

Talking to cd288 is a waste of time.

Earlier I was talking about the 2009 launch of p99 and the population level then. He replied telling me I was wrong, and quoting Brad McQuaid about population numbers from 1999. I kept repeatedly telling him I was talking about 2009, not 1999. He continued. I think he’s under the belief p99 was the start of Everquest and Brad McQuaid was in charge then. Or else he’s not good with reading comprehension. Either way, save your energy folks.

[Spock2020]

I know he has also a fixation that teal population are mostly alt of green. Doubt anybody will change his mind on that. I think best we should do is to move along.

[cd288]

Your math is off by embarrassing margins.

Teal gained 196 in that span.

Green lost 135, for a difference of 61. It seems entirely feasible that Teal has brought in 61 people who were turned off by how crowded Green was at launch, but more importantly, the total between the two servers has been hovering right at 2400 the entire time. The net increase since launch is 19 players, so at worst there might that many two-boxers.

Er what? Read the graph. On 11/5 Green was at 1,510. On 11/10, Green was at 1,428. 1,510 - 1,428 = 82 (and I said like 75 in my post).

On 11/5, Teal was at 837. On 11/10, Teal was at 1069. That's an increase of 232. So in that 5 day span Green decreased by 82 and Teal increased by 232 (so, if you assume that those 82 people switched to Teal, Teal had an increase of 150 allegedly unique, new players).

You might want to check your own math before you tell someone else their math is embarrassingly off lol

[cd288]

Talking to cd288 is a waste of time.

Earlier I was talking about the 2009 launch of p99 and the population level then. He replied telling me I was wrong, and quoting Brad McQuaid about population numbers from 1999. I kept repeatedly telling him I was talking about 2009, not 1999. He continued. I think he’s under the belief p99 was the start of Everquest and Brad McQuaid was in charge then. Or else he’s not good with reading comprehension. Either way, save your energy folks.

Oh man I misread a comment by accident! How could I ever do such a thing!

[Smashed]

Oh man I misread a comment by accident! How could I ever do such a thing!

Three separate posts you misread. This is what I mean guys. Why even have a discussion?

[cd288]

Three separate posts you misread. This is what I mean guys. Why even have a discussion?

Yup. And then I deleted my last comment in the convo after I realized I had misunderstood your comment. Oh gosh such a terrible thing to have done!!!

[Spock2020]

It's funny that if we change the date we get totally different perspective. Prior to opening of teal green had around 2400 at prime time and if we look at yesterday prime time we have around 1400 on green and just over 1000 on teal so moving from November 2nd to November 5th and your perspective change totally.It reminds me that you can use numbers to mean almost anything. It reminds me of how politician manipulate public opinion lol.

[bbsmitz]

Er what? Read the graph. On 11/5 Green was at 1,510. On 11/10, Green was at 1,428. 1,510 - 1,428 = 82 (and I said like 75 in my post).

On 11/5, Teal was at 837. On 11/10, Teal was at 1069. That's an increase of 232. So in that 5 day span Green decreased by 82 and Teal increased by 232 (so, if you assume that those 82 people switched to Teal, Teal had an increase of 150 allegedly unique, new players).

You might want to check your own math before you tell someone else their math is embarrassingly off lol

We could easily pick the 4th and the 11th and say that Teal picked up fewer players than Green lost. To me the simplest way to read this seems to be that Green was at ~2400 when Teal launched, and now there's still 2400 players, just spread over two servers. I guess an argument could be made that maybe the two servers lost 10% (for arguments sake) of the unique user base over the past week, and hence of that 2400 total number now, 240 is due to boxing, but I'd need some sort of evidence for that that isn't purely anecdotal.

Edit: Spock beat me to it.

[cd288]

It's funny that if we change the date we get totally different perspective. Prior to opening of teal green had around 2400 at prime time and if we look at yesterday prime time we have around 1400 on green and just over 1000 on teal so moving from November 2nd to November 5th and your perspective change totally.It reminds me that you can use numbers to mean almost anything. It reminds me of how politician manipulate public opinion lol.

Nah, I chose 11/5 as the start date just because that's when things kind of generally leveled out following the initial 48 hour rush (plus, like I've said, immediately on split Green generally declined and Teal generally increased on a 1:1 basis so it's the days following that which are more relevant). As far as the end date in the rate I chose, I left out 11/11 since both servers declined on that day so the data for that day isn't really indicative of anything.

[bbsmitz]

As far as the end date in the rate I chose, I left out 11/11 since both servers declined on that day so the data for that day isn't really indicative of anything.

A peer reviewer somewhere is having a panic attack.

[cd288]

A peer reviewer somewhere is having a panic attack.

I didn't really find it relevant to the specific subject of whether new players on Teal are unique new players or if they are duplicates of Green players since both servers declined on the day (everyone has been arguing within the context of a Teal increase and Green decrease and that the Green decrease and Teal increase shows that people are switching from Green and not boxing on both, so it didn't seem relevant within the specific context of what people have been discussing). But if you'd like to offer why 11/11 should be included, I'm all ears.

[korzax]

Erm, you just posted something that shows that between 11/5 and 11/10, Green's population declined by about 75 people and Teal's increased by like 230. Kind of proves my point that the Green decrease vs. Teal increase isn't 1:1. I know we all like P99 here, but Teal isn't randomly drawing hundreds of totally brand new unique people.

Pulling numbers out year ass again, eh!

[korzax]

Talking to cd288 is a waste of time.

Earlier I was talking about the 2009 launch of p99 and the population level then. He replied telling me I was wrong, and quoting Brad McQuaid about population numbers from 1999. I kept repeatedly telling him I was talking about 2009, not 1999. He continued. I think he’s under the belief p99 was the start of Everquest and Brad McQuaid was in charge then. Or else he’s not good with reading comprehension. Either way, save your energy folks.

Yeah, ask for proof of this server populationin 1999 from brad and you get crickets.

[cd288]

Pulling numbers out year ass again, eh!

Commenting without reading the full set of comments again, eh!

Someone posted a screenshot of the EQ emulator numbers. Maybe you should read further before posting.

[korzax]

I didn't really find it relevant to the specific subject of whether new players on Teal are unique new players or if they are duplicates of Green players since both servers declined on the day (everyone has been arguing within the context of a Teal increase and Green decrease and that the Green decrease and Teal increase shows that people are switching from Green and not boxing on both, so it didn't seem relevant within the specific context of what people have been discussing). But if you'd like to offer why 11/11 should be included, I'm all ears.

BLAH BLAH BLAH. Nothing you wrote makes sense to anybody that isn't already insane.

[cd288]

BLAH BLAH BLAH. Nothing you wrote makes sense to anybody that isn't already insane.

You seem intelligent :cool:

[bbsmitz]

I didn't really find it relevant to the specific subject of whether new players on Teal are unique new players or if they are duplicates of Green players since both servers declined on the day (everyone has been arguing within the context of a Teal increase and Green decrease and that the Green decrease and Teal increase shows that people are switching from Green and not boxing on both, so it didn't seem relevant within the specific context of what people have been discussing). But if you'd like to offer why 11/11 should be included, I'm all ears.

It is relevant because a day in which both servers lose players is still a data point. You have no idea whether or not Green actually had 43 players choose not to play on 11/11 vesus 11/10, or had 23 players choose not to play and 20 players to switch to Teal (which had 56 players from 11/10 choose not to play in this scenario, instead of 36 in the non-switching scenario). Trying to understand which is which involves a bunch of other assumptions. For instance, if the player base of Teal is slightly more casual and fled Green to find spawns, maybe they'll have a bigger drop off between a weekend and a workday than Green will. Or maybe the reverse is true, and a bunch of casuals ditched Teal and the drop off was not as bad as it could have been because a bunch of green boxers showed up. Trying to draw a conclusion from a single interval is folly.

The average population for Green for the 5 days preceeding the split was 2272. The average combined population from 11/3 onwards is 2478. This is an increase of 200, if we say half were waiting for things to die down, then that's about 100 instances of boxing, but up to 200 if all the extra pop is boxing. If instead of 11/3 (which will double count people who started on Green that day and switched to Teal later), we start on 11/4, it's 2408. So it'd be a total increase of 130. Again how you break that down to boxing/not-boxing depends on if you think it compelling that people were waiting to play or not.

But for the boxing count to be over 200 (i.e. about 1/5 of teal), you'd start having to assume that a bunch of people are also fleeing the two servers. We wont know that until the Admins start releasing more specific stats.

[geniusi]

For what it's worth, I only started playing because of the split.

[AegnorP99]

For what it's worth, I only started playing because of the split.

I know like four people currently playing P99, and two of them did the same. Just an anecdote, but these people absolutely exist.

[bum3]

I know like four people currently playing P99, and two of them did the same. Just an anecdote, but these people absolutely exist.

Absolutely. Friends with low playtime didn't join because zero mobs. Now they are playing. Happy to see them playing again after 19 years!

[Miauler]

Absolutely. Friends with low playtime didn't join because zero mobs. Now they are playing. Happy to see them playing again after 19 years!

I moved from leveling slowly on blue to leveling slowly on teal when it opened. Green was insane and I was spending more time running around looking for mobs than fighting. Teal has been awesome.

[El-Hefe]

You guys really need to stop talking about Teal. It’s terrible and whatever cd288 is incoherently rambling about is totally true.

Yup, everyone stay on Green. It’s the promise land.

/em makes a shushing gesture towards all the Teal players.

[Lulz Sect]

https://i.imgur.com/3U5Nxwg.gif

[silo32]

Same

[Smellybuttface]

Same

Lol Silo, how many threads are you going to necro today?