At first I thought Teal was the containment server for toxic losers...

[strawman]

...but now I'm starting to think it's Green.

Maybe this is just normal at higher levels but I'm noticing a lot more greedy, angry players this week.

Is it time to /move...?

[Roth]

...but now I'm starting to think it's Green.

Maybe this is just normal at higher levels but I'm noticing a lot more greedy, angry players this week.

Is it time to /move...?

I will start by saying you sound like part of the problem. However, my follow-up to that is to say that green is significantly more toxic than teal in my experience.

[Zeboim]

I dont understand why you would think that in the first place.

Teal is a much more serene place.

[solleks]

dear OP its just a rad place to play everquest, shut up and donate you whiner

[cd288]

EQ in general is toxic near the end levels. A server is probably more toxic if it has more players, but every server will be toxic at the end levels...it's just a matter of degrees

[strawman]

I will start by saying you sound like part of the problem
Sorry about my clickbait

I dont understand why you would think that in the first place.

Teal is a much more serene place.
It seemed to me that poopsocking tryhards would immediately jump to the lower pop server seeking better camps and a higher probability of loot but the replies so far sound like that's not really the case

[Roth]

It's always the opposite. The most competitive players will go to the most difficult and overcrowded server. People who don't care about that will go wherever just to play the game.

[Bazia]

teal is very toxic do not move were full

[bubur]

hi i like teal. its nice and very chill

problem is i am starting to believe we can never go back

hope that helps

[cd288]

It's always the opposite. The most competitive players will go to the most difficult and overcrowded server. People who don't care about that will go wherever just to play the game.

Most people are on both instead of picking one or the other

[wildstar]

My dark elf necromancer experience has been enjoyable. Until recently.

The boat! I spent 3 hours on a corpse run with it. Then I decided to try the boat again and it extended to another hour. Now I am ready for a camp but its always contested. So I am waiting till its the middle of the night to see if its clear lol.

[Cen]

I love the divisiveness of teal and green like football teams so that when merge day happens we will each have our own gang signs and shit and my teal crew will know the trials and tribulations of the hood we grew up in and the greens who were afraid to stop clutching their mothers and never got weened didn't take the harsh journey to the unknown frontier.. Something something.

Go teal!

We will then need a teal legacy guild

[cd288]

I love the divisiveness of teal and green like football teams so that when merge day happens we will each have our own gang signs and shit and my teal crew will know the trials and tribulations of the hood we grew up in and the greens who were afraid to stop clutching their mothers and never got weened didn't take the harsh journey to the unknown frontier.. Something something.

Go teal!

We will then need a teal legacy guild

Many people playing both simultaneously bruh

[Roth]

Many people playing both simultaneously bruh

You're exaggerating this honestly to push some kind of agenda.

[Spock2020]

I'm noticing a trend green server numbers start declining teal numbers going up a bit early but could be a trend we will see once weekend start so maybe people are getting tired of green.And despite what cd288 seems to say judging by night numbers neckbeards don't seems to be playing both otherwise night numbers on teal would be higher.

[strawman]

Most people are on both instead of picking one or the other

Many people playing both simultaneously bruh

If this were true, green would still have the same population it had before the split, instead of declining about as much as teal gained, which it has

[cd288]

If this were true, green would still have the same population it had before the split, instead of declining about as much as teal gained, which it has

And then there are those extra like 300 people on Teal beyond what Green declined by. Where’d those numbers come from I wonder

[Cen]

And then there are those extra like 300 people on Teal beyond what Green declined by. Where’d those numbers come from I wonder

Well im one of those. I logged the hell in from my life.. I went rock climbing tonight.

[Swish]

And then there are those extra like 300 people on Teal beyond what Green declined by. Where’d those numbers come from I wonder

What are your thoughts on this issue, Professor? I have yet to hear it.

[Bardp1999]

EQ in general is toxic near the end levels

[Spock2020]

And then there are those extra like 300 people on Teal beyond what Green declined by. Where’d those numbers come from I wonder

Well I met some that found green too crowded so when teal open they went there and are loving it. Don't have to look behind them to see if somebody gonna steal their mobs.

[cd288]

What are your thoughts on this issue, Professor? I have yet to hear it.

Lol

[Gustoo]

If I had time to play at all I'd be excited to be boxing teal and green for double manastones.

Looking forward to the rmt bans on these. Bless staff.

[bubur]

Most people are on both instead of picking one or the other

Many people playing both simultaneously bruh

cd288. are you playing this game? can you post your characters plz. I would like to use them in a data analytics project. thanks you gay for your cooperation.

-Alfredo (server first level 2 druid. server first level 2 halfling. sever first level 2)

[wildstar]

why is there such a fuss over mana stones anyways. in the grand scheme of things its whatever

[bubur]

while i wait for your kind response cd288: can you please report, are you or anyone you know playing on both green and teal simultaneously? please submit that information kindly here in this thread with names of characters in both green/teal and i will include it in my study

thank you. i hope all is well

[Ivory]

My highest level is level 7....and I mostly keep running from one side of the world to the other doing quests and RPing...

So....seems pretty good to me :D

[kantan01]

Yesterday Littlebill called a zone wide meeting in the blade fiend room of unrest. He made sure everyone got in a group appropriate for their level. Everyone seemed happy until Littlebill trained the bar! ( On accident of course). Definately not toxic.

[Rooj]

I think the reason things become toxic later on is because the number of lower level areas doesn't scale with the number of higher level areas. And then you have places like Permafrost which will never be utilized by groups because it's out in BFE with no fast way to get there. Areas like CT which are death traps.

We go from having access to tons of zones to level in to very very few later on.

The ZEMs and loot spread make little sense later on. LGuk is basically the best and most important zone in the game. Not only does it drop some of the best items in the game currently but it also provides some of the best EXP. I've been thinking a lot lately about this message posted here: https://web.archive.org/web/20010124043300/http://everquest.station.sony.com/news/letter.shtml
Particularly "We can increase the reward of a particular dungeon in two fashions: We can either put in good loot, or we can change the ZEM. The problem with increasing the quality or quantity of loot is that if the loot is good enough, it's more likely to draw people far above the desired level range for the dungeon, making it some place that appropriately leveled folk choose to avoid. The second problem with the ever-increasing quality of loot is inflation: as good loot becomes more widely available, its value and the prestige value from owning it declines."
This practically sums up MMO design in one paragraph and is why I do wish that even though it wouldn't be classic, we could discuss changes to ZEM. Plus it's not like there's any proof of what ZEMs were during classic, that January 2001 post is the first I saw them ever openly mention ZEM, which is post-Velious (would love to see more dialogue from SOE about ZEM if anyone has access to any).

TLDR: Zones like Permafrost and Cazic Thule need double EXP, not Lower Guk. Would like to see each zone looked at on a case by case basis, looking at its design, difficulty, and loot, and try to come up with reasonable ZEM numbers.

[Tecmos Deception]

I don't think I agree with atomos.

The big-ticket items tend to be in lguk and solb. But there's actually quite a wide variety of zones needed to fully gear any level 50, ranging from solb and lguk for fbss and GEBs and whatnot to mid-level dungeons like perma and sola to outdoor zones to quest items.

And there really aren't THAT few zones to level in at 45+ than at lower levels. Solb and lguk have stuff for 45-50, but they also have stuff for much lower levels. Perma is like this too, with teens mobs at the entrance but frost giants and the bear pit taking you to 50+. Kedge has a wide range of content. CT has quite a level range. Plenty of outdoor zones have select things you can get to 50 on, even if they don't always have great loot or require faction losses (guards in basically every city, spectres, OOT, random mobs like cyndreela or whatever by fear portal, etc).


Again, imo, this is all just a feature of classic EQ. Just like the exp penalties and the hell levels and the crazy grinding required and the class imbalances. If you approach the game with the expectations of a modern MMO gamer, then you'll be confused by mage research and hybrid penalties and the UI and the way loot and ZEMs are distributed, by the lack of instancing and the minimal amount of "raid" content at 50. Etc.

If you approach it with an open mind, then it certainly will feel odd... but it has a charm to it regardless, and it isn't THAT ridiculous.

[WolfOfOdin]

I really hate the word toxic. It feels like a word people use when someone is offended or people hurt their feelings. All humans have an innate side that some people will not like, toxic isn't a all in one word for people with those characteristics.

[bubur]

Many people playing both simultaneously bruh

hey cd288

im having trouble with my research project, could you help me find 1 person doing this? i was hoping to find 300 and do an analysis but 1 would be a good start

thank you i patiently await your kind response

[bum3]

I can't wait for the era items to be removed so the a-hats stop playing and go back to blue to raid.

[Wynd]

Its been fun in Teal. Level 7 now and most everyone I have met at random were nice. Thank you Edens for guiding my newbie self from Freeport to Kelethin and Virgilz the gnome for the binds =)

[salimoneus]

hi i like teal. its nice and very chill

problem is i am starting to believe we can never go back

hope that helps

high probability the two servers merge at some point once the noob zone rush is over, which probably isn't super far off

[cd288]

while i wait for your kind response cd288: can you please report, are you or anyone you know playing on both green and teal simultaneously? please submit that information kindly here in this thread with names of characters in both green/teal and i will include it in my study

thank you. i hope all is well

I'm somewhat confused lol

Also, even if this is a serious request, I wouldn't post other peoples' names because that's not my place to subject them to criticism from the anti-play on both servers crowd.

[Lamil]

Yesterday Littlebill called a zone wide meeting in the blade fiend room of unrest. He made sure everyone got in a group appropriate for their level. Everyone seemed happy until Littlebill trained the bar! ( On accident of course). Definately not toxic.

Dang it! I was wondering where littlebill went to from Green. Glad to see he's going strong on Teal

[bubur]

I'm somewhat confused lol

Also, even if this is a serious request, I wouldn't post other peoples' names because that's not my place to subject them to criticism from the anti-play on both servers crowd.

dam are you telling me i need a new high school research project

i guess ill keep my eye out.

can anyone let me know if they see a literal single person actually boxing teal and green? thanks all

[cd288]

dam are you telling me i need a new high school research project

i guess ill keep my eye out.

can anyone let me know if they see a literal single person actually boxing teal and green? thanks all

Ah okay you're being sarcastic. Well multiple people on the forums have said they are doing it. Go read through the threads.

If you actually think there are zero people playing both simultaneously you're nuts lol. If someone wants to farm extra platinum and loot and have two characters leveled up by merge time instead of one, there's literally no reason they wouldn't do it lol.

[bubur]

ok just 1 example would be good for my teacher

let me know

[Tecmos Deception]

ok just 1 example would be good for my teacher

let me know

If you'd like, I'll let you know that you're fucking retarded.

But only if you'd like.

[bubur]

If you'd like, I'll let you know that you're fucking retarded.

But only if you'd like.

no why would i want that. i think thats pretty uncalled for

i just want to introduce some high school level research and examples into this discussion of people boxing teal/green

obviously some people are doing it. but to say its a big deal or even will have an effect in any measurable way i think is a little much


also hey can you fix the low volume constant drone in your youtube videos? i think its a filter in premiere or probably exists in other editing software

[dekova]

Bubur, Tecmos, you're both acting ridiculously.

Let's act like adults, yeah?

[fuckshit22]

ok just 1 example would be good for my teacher

let me know

i farm both servers 8 hours a day on average, but i'd never list my character names on this fucked to death pile of shit forum.

thanks for the game p99staff <3

[bubur]

also didnt tecmos get his original char banned for rmt? seems a bit weird he'd be lashing out over this issue that apparently would have a negative impact on the economy

you didnt care about it back then, did ya big guy?

[Zill]

i farm both servers 8 hours a day on average, but i'd never list my character names on this fucked to death pile of shit forum.

thanks for the game p99staff <3
What do you do for a living?

Serious question

[Voland]

Most people are on both instead of picking one or the other

What’s the point of being on both?

[Veeshan31]

What do you do for a living?

Serious question

Hes a MMORPG farmer/RMTer. He works 8 hour days in the depths of guk and on weekends he can be found in the UnGoro crater skinning devilsaurs.

[dekova]

also didnt tecmos get his original char banned for rmt? seems a bit weird he'd be lashing out over this issue that apparently would have a negative impact on the economy

you didnt care about it back then, did ya big guy?

I get that you don't like the guy and I understand why.

That said, you seem to take every opportunity to take threads and make them about Tecmos. I feel you're doing a disservice to the rest of us. I imagine most of us would like to talk about something else.

[bubur]

i've literally never spoken to or about him before my last two posts

are you ok?

[cd288]

i've literally never spoken to or about him before my last two posts

are you ok?

I love how you tried to start being sarcastic and talking shit and you got totally roasted for it lmao

[cd288]

What’s the point of being on both?

If they were going to be separate servers forever, there wouldn't be much of a point. However, since they will merge eventually (probably sometime within the next several months) you can level two characters at once, farm twice the plat and gear, etc. and it will all get merged into one server sometime soonish. It's essentially like if you were to box two characters on one of the server's (same effect in the end), except this is actually permitted since right now it's technically two different servers.

[Bazia]

you could hypothetically do that but all my time on red I only knew one person who boxed blue and red and you were allowed to trade between them so the incentive was there back when red still had population

people generally dont do it

[bubur]

I love how you tried to start being sarcastic and talking shit and you got totally roasted for it lmao

to be fair i also appreciate this moment

but i didnt mean to talk shit. i was just calling into question your assumptions about teal/green in a snarky way, and tecmos, the known rmt'er, popped out of no where and fires shots for what i assume is because he is the only one actually planning to box teal/green (maybe so he can rmt more?)

maybe you are right after all

[fuckshit22]

Hes a MMORPG farmer/RMTer. He works 8 hour days in the depths of guk and on weekends he can be found in the UnGoro crater skinning devilsaurs.

nah im not good or smart enough at eq to possibly do that, its just a fun thing to do until shtf. Also, I dropped skinning weeks ago for engineering cuz phase 2.

[urbanbo]

high probability the two servers merge at some point once the noob zone rush is over, which probably isn't super far off

But I already got my Teal4Life tat across my knuckles.

[Jibartik]

I just completed my professional level research project and determined that there are approx 6 non factors boxing on teal and green and or blue at any given moment and have exactly 100% zero affect on any other player whatsoever.

[bum3]

But I already got my Teal4Life tat across my knuckles.

You savage... you're missing a finger.... if you really are.. then oh nvm.

[cd288]

to be fair i also appreciate this moment

but i didnt mean to talk shit. i was just calling into question your assumptions about teal/green in a snarky way, and tecmos, the known rmt'er, popped out of no where and fires shots for what i assume is because he is the only one actually planning to box teal/green (maybe so he can rmt more?)

maybe you are right after all

It's interesting, because even with his alleged RMT history he is still a more positive contribution to the community than you! :cool:

[bubur]

alleged

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202660

[cd288]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202660

It's interesting, because even with his admitted RMT history he is still a more positive contribution to the community than you! :cool:

[Lone Gnome]

EQ in general is toxic near the end levels. A server is probably more toxic if it has more players, but every server will be toxic at the end levels...it's just a matter of degrees

i found 1-50 on red being very fun, and51-60 being toxic as hell