Don't let Nagafen or Vox through small openings

[Nirgon]

Maybe we can get this one in before they get killed in nonclassic ways

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=527201&postcount=17

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=530440&postcount=18

There's a screenshot somewhere of Nagafen stuck in the doorway where he would have been running in place


This Photoshop was made using it to poke fun at those who would be upset they could not do so, can't find the original just yet:
https://i.imgur.com/1u5OLJp.png


Regardless of finding that, I think it was agreed upon we'd want to do it here and this is a reminder



Perfect implementation: large NPCs like dragons can't fit thru narrow doorways, they will just run in place

"Make it work without a massive headache" : leash just Naggy and Vox if they pass said doorway areas

[Nirgon]

I posted it before, now it is gone. Damnit.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1905149&highlight=Stuck#post1905149


This is as far as Naggy should be able to get:
http://www.erollisimarr.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1&pictureid=24

Source is from E Marr first naggy kill

[Torven]

I have no evidence for this, but I vividly recall killing Nag and Vox at doors back in the very early days of EQ. Our guild killed Vox at the door to the large goblin king chamber and cheesed it by chain sending pets at her. For the server's first nag we binded around the corner and us wizards there just nuked, died, memed, repeat while nag was stuck.

I doubt p99 devs will recreate this one though. (for several good reasons)

[feniin]

Could make him summon anyone on the agro list the second they go over the bridge.

[Nirgon]

Nilbog expressed an interest in doing this before, maybe doable before they get cheesed on green/teal

[Erati]

Classically he only came to that door you clicked to enter lair. (Nagafen)

His head poked out door but you never saw him chasing out. I was a wiz nuking him at bottom of those last steps bc who knew ab bellycasting server first attempt.

[Daldaen]

On the TAKP server Nagafen is set to leash beyond the first doorway, and Vox is set to leash at the clickable rock, which honestly makes splitting extremely trivial. But it sounds classic, and I would assume was implemented based on classic evidence.

[Nirgon]

https://i.imgur.com/1d0zcs4.png

too late

[Nuggie]

I lead a bunch of open vox and naggy raids in the Velious era. Was a huge headache when vox went into the hallways. Never had the issue with naggy(i killed him far fewer times). Classic as blind humans.

[Nirgon]

https://i.imgur.com/llhaE5A.jpg

Not classic. Maybe next box.

[Crom]

I don't think Naggy/Vox should ever leash, Naggy atleast should not move into the stairs (past lair door) but should still be aggro per normal rules. (old world no leashing even after velius)
And from some of the old posts regarding CR'ing after N/V raids they say, have someone aggro naggy, move out of range or the door, send in your lev 53+ to do the CR, make everyone camp out or leave the zone after to clear aggro.

Plus there was an old official statement about using the stairs to avoid the AE was a big no no, due to the fact that naggy couldn't move out of the room = no 100% safe healing

[Dolalin]

Relevant Allakhazam post from 2003:


Sep 29 2003 at 6:44 PM

This happened to us as well.

NAGAFEN CAN AND DOES COME OUT OF HIS LAIR NOW. He came out all the way to the Giant Throne Room.

DO NOT I repeat DO NOT use the strategy of binding casters for bind rush. Now that Naggy can come out of his lair he is happy to CC folks on their bind spots.

Asked a guide in the zone and he said 'Maybe after being killed all those times he got smarter'

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=3283&p=5#m106487871959780


So naggy shouldn't be coming out of his lair I would think...

[Crom]

here is a link pre that date of a guide, yes I know that it's not a 99 link but just about every reply about CR say the same, it might look like he is trying to get to whom ever he has aggro on but he can't move past the door and he doesn't drop aggro unless you zone or camp out, letting people CR safely

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monklybusiness43508/guide-to-killing-vox-and-nagafen-leading-the-raid-t837.html

(ohh and best part is , use paladin or SK as tanks unless you have a crazy good geared warrior, does indicate that building up aggro was an issue for warriors )

[Nirgon]

he should run in place in the door way to the bridge into his room - I personally witnessed this in Kunark

leashing might create some other clever sploits

[Dolalin]

posted 08-27-2001 06:48 PM

Have you ever seen Nagafen run? When he does he only goes as far as the door at the bridge and gets stuck. He doesn’t get past that door, just keeps running like a stuck mob.


http://web.archive.org/web/20011102072350/www.ethernalquest.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003443-4.html

[Nirgon]

I love you

[Dolalin]

Get in line :D

[WaffleztheAndal]

Get in line :D

You did good work here, I have to admit.

[Nirgon]

Don't even know how they'd manage this aside from monkeying with a pathing node and making it mob specific

Perhaps the High Priest has a plan

Brad bless this change

[aaezil]

Noobs gonna cheese the encounters

Sad