Why are some Exploits allowed

[stewe]

Yes im going after things like the soulfire again, lets start with recharging items, that is an exploit that is why it was FIXED on live, soulfire being clicked by anyone other then paladins was also an exploit, that is why it was FIXED to be pally only clickable on live, yet these exploits are still in p99 because ppl say its classic bro, but if that is the case why is the warp exploit in karana that gets you close to qeynos hill zoneline already fixed (im glad it is fixed before you try saying i want the exploit, i want all exploits gone) cause that warp is classic right, the reason is cause the DEVs enjoy the two exploits i mentioned at first, they use it themselves cause at the end of the day it is all about them raid pixels and making it as easy as possible to attain them, lets be real here and admit if you gotta use exploits to beat a raid boss you are pathetic and having a raid full of ppl that can CH 5 times is exactly that.

[Videri]

Nice try...i bet you just want your precious WK warp exploit.

[Brocode]

server?

[Benanov]

Yes im going after things like the soulfire again, lets start with recharging items, that is an exploit that is why it was FIXED on live, soulfire being clicked by anyone other then paladins was also an exploit, that is why it was FIXED to be pally only clickable on live

The simplest explanation is "because it was fixed later in the timeline"

Honestly I'd like to see that fixed.

I'd also be happy with the Mage focus items being restricted to MAG only too, but again - that was later in the timeline.

Blue is right now exactly as it was the day before Luclin dropped. Minus a long time of betas, exploits, and weird messed up economy shit.

Should the devs go off and fix some of these long-standing issues? Yes. Right now it's not gonna happen, their focus is on green. Hell, making someone a guild officer requires a direct DB change.

[loramin]

Ultimately the answer is "it's subjective". They fix some exploits, they don't fix others. It used to feel like there was a clear line, but with Green that line has been smudged a lot, and a lot more "subjective-feeling" calls about what is and isn't an exploit have been made.

Their server, their rules.

[Madbad]

reported for staff bashing

[Crom]

Ultimately the answer is "it's subjective". They fix some exploits, they don't fix others. It used to feel like there was a clear line, but with Green that line has been smudged a lot, and a lot more "subjective-feeling" calls about what is and isn't an exploit have been made.

Their server, their rules.

/this 100%

[shuklak]

So your version of classic is not classic. Go back to Pantheon!

[Swish]

You could be Daldaen and just report the bugs/exploits that don't affect your class, and leave the ones that help you.

[Legidias]

Kiting is an exploit. Dev's totally meant for every encounter to require a tank, heals, and dps.

[Uuruk]

You could be Daldaen and just report the bugs/exploits that don't affect your class, and leave the ones that help you.

Daldaen is a saint. You're a sad loser. There is a difference.

[Bboboo]

this is the house of the mentally ill

sometime you need to say hey this rule is in place to keep the spectrum at bay

yea that conflicts with classic

but do you dare deal with the spectrum?

I dont :)

[tomgeezy111]

kiting is not an exploit. it is the only way a druid can survive being mediocre in all abilities makes him quite worthless to most team comps late game. leaving him alone in the woods, kiting...

talk about exploits how about AoE groups... everquest was such a hard game it forced players to exploit it. my friend was a sylvan elf ranger with dualweilding longswords and composite longbow at level 1 everytime we played D&D.. talk about exploitation!!! lmao


but that's what its all about, figuring out the best ways to exploit loopholes. only problem was back in 1999 people had thick skin.. today in 2019 everyone is a cry baby getting their cups refilled when they spill their milk.

[Lulz Sect]

i report every bug i notice
imagine if every elf did the same

[DMN]

Using zone warps was what was called "an actionable exploit." By using them you could potentially be suspended/banned. Kiting and many others was never an "actionable" exploit.

[Swish]

Daldaen is a saint. You're a sad loser. There is a difference.

what do you consider yourself to be? :rolleyes:

[evilkorn]

Using zone warps was what was called "an actionable exploit." By using them you could potentially be suspended/banned. Kiting and many others was never an "actionable" exploit.

2001 I was warping across SG on my level 50 warrior, he was a dwarf and all I had to do was log out twice and when I logged back in after that he was safely across the zone. Never had anyone say they had action taken against them for zone warping and was generally used by everyone that was afraid or unable to make the run.

[DMN]

2001 I was warping across SG on my level 50 warrior, he was a dwarf and all I had to do was log out twice and when I logged back in after that he was safely across the zone. Never had anyone say they had action taken against them for zone warping and was generally used by everyone that was afraid or unable to make the run.

I never heard of anyone getting suspended/banned for warping either, but that doesn't change the fact it was explicitly considered and actionable offense. And more likely than not the first action would be a warning anyway.

[loramin]

I never heard of anyone getting suspended/banned for warping either, but that doesn't change the fact it was explicitly considered and actionable offense. And more likely than not the first action would be a warning anyway.

If there is no evidence of anyone ever having been punished for doing it, I think it's hard to argue that the offense was ever in any way "actionable".

SG glitching on Bristlebane ... and I assume every other server ... was standard operating procedure. I truly believe a higher percentage of the server knew about that glitch (at least by the end of Velious) than knew how to recharge items.

[DMN]

If there is no evidence of anyone ever having been punished for doing it, I think it's hard to argue that the offense was ever in any way "actionable".

SG glitching on Bristlebane ... and I assume every other server ... was standard operating procedure. I truly believe a higher percentage of the server knew about that glitch (at least by the end of Velious) than knew how to recharge items.


I've never heard of a cop giving someone a ticket for going 1 MPH over the speed limit, doesn't mean it's still not illegal/. in general they were pretty lax in punishment. I know one guy who duped like 100k plat in gems and just ran around planting them on anew server. Guess what his punishment was? nothing. All he had to do was tell them how he did it.

[saftbudet]

I am such a bad cheater, I do not even know what a zone warp is.

[BlackBellamy]

Yes, im going, after things like, the soulfire again, lets start with, recharging items, that is an exploit that is why it was FIXED on live, soulfire being clicked by anyone other then paladins, was, also, an, exploit, that is why it was FIXED to be pally only, clickable, on live, yet these exploits are still in p99 because ppl say its classic bro, but if that is the case why is the warp exploit in karana that gets you close to qeynos hill zoneline already fixed (im glad it is fixed before you try saying, i want the exploit, i want all exploits gone) cause, that warp, is classic right, the reason, is cause the DEVs enjoy the, two exploits i mentioned at first, they use it, themselves cause at the end of the day it is all about them raid pixels and, making it as easy, as possible to attain them, lets be real, here, and admit if you gotta use exploits to beat, a raid boss you are pathetic and, having a raid full of ppl that can CH 5 times is exactly that.

How do you use 26 commas and only one period! What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Tecmos Deception]

Ultimately the answer is "it's subjective". They fix some exploits, they don't fix others. It used to feel like there was a clear line, but with Green that line has been smudged a lot, and a lot more "subjective-feeling" calls about what is and isn't an exploit have been made.

Their server, their rules.

I wonder if it felt this way because it was rushed. I don't mean that in a negative way, because this is a volunteer-run project and there aren't a lot of volunteers at that. But once they announced it was coming in October, it seemed like there was quite a flurry of activity. We got UI changes, lighting that people had been asking about for years suddenly is worked on and finished, and a lot more. And the beta server went up and people found a zillion things that weren't classic that the staff worked to get resolved.

Given RL timing/schedules of the staff, I really wonder if anything that happened that feels like they're being too subjective (I mean, not shit like soulfire and recharging, of course... but stuff like mage research drops, WK warp, dot ticks on moving targets, pets taking exp, etc.) just FEELS that way but really wasn't. That it just didn't get handled in time for green because there was too much to get done.

[Waedawen]

just a casual reminder tecmos RMT'd who fucking steals shit from other peoples accounts so anything he says regarding Everquest or this server, or even 'Character' in general, should be totally ignored and laughed at

just a total fucking scumbag

[The_DarkSavant]

just a casual reminder tecmos RMT'd who fucking steals shit from other peoples accounts so anything he says regarding Everquest or this server, or even 'Character' in general, should be totally ignored and laughed at

just a total fucking scumbag

I'm allowed to post here after 10 years or so lol. I get it this page is for exactly that but i played with Tecmos many times and i like that guy. Hope he's doing well irl.

[saftbudet]

I'm allowed to post here after 10 years or so lol. I get it this page is for exactly that but i played with Tecmos many times and i like that guy. Hope he's doing well irl.

So the user with the name "DarkSavant" back upp the credibility of the user named "Tecmos Deception".

[Lulz Sect]

JuiCy SiP

[Jadian]

So the user with the name "DarkSavant" back upp the credibility of the user named "Tecmos Deception".

This could be the dumbest argument to use on an internet forum ever.

Completely regardless of any of the actual points being made.

[PieOats]

This could be the dumbest argument to use on an internet forum ever.

Completely regardless of any of the actual points being made.

It could also *NOT* be that what you said there.


*puts on undersized thinking cap*


🤔

[Lulz Sect]

i DO recall using the SG teleport camp bug so I could eventually explore WW at my leisure
should classic exploits be allowed
debatable

[Jadian]

It could also *NOT* be that what you said there.


*puts on undersized thinking cap*


🤔

Not sure if English second language or just stupid?

[Lulz Sect]

HobbiT braiNS

[skipdog]

The devs will do what the devs will do. Just enjoy the free server. Spending your time trying to convince the devs to do it your way, instead of theirs, is almost always going to be a big waste of your time.

[loramin]

I wonder if it felt this way because it was rushed. I don't mean that in a negative way, because this is a volunteer-run project and there aren't a lot of volunteers at that. But once they announced it was coming in October, it seemed like there was quite a flurry of activity. We got UI changes, lighting that people had been asking about for years suddenly is worked on and finished, and a lot more. And the beta server went up and people found a zillion things that weren't classic that the staff worked to get resolved.

Given RL timing/schedules of the staff, I really wonder if anything that happened that feels like they're being too subjective (I mean, not shit like soulfire and recharging, of course... but stuff like mage research drops, WK warp, dot ticks on moving targets, pets taking exp, etc.) just FEELS that way but really wasn't. That it just didn't get handled in time for green because there was too much to get done.

Yeah I suspect as much too. Seven years of Kunark gave everyone plenty of time make decisions about things, but the run-up to Green definitely felt like "we've got stuff to get done, let's make some decisions fast".

All of which, as you noted, is 100% understandable under the circumstances.

[saftbudet]

The devs will do what the devs will do. Just enjoy the free server. Spending your time trying to convince the devs to do it your way, instead of theirs, is almost always going to be a big waste of your time.

Hmmm I dunno some users are very good at making devs follow their opinions. Is not the mage nerf a pretty solid case? Was implemented superquick.

[The_DarkSavant]

So the user with the name "DarkSavant" back upp the credibility of the user named "Tecmos Deception".

who cares what a guy with handle from 2018 says about a nearly 10 yr old server? You have no cred; except for being a total retard. You def have a master's degree in that fo sho.

[Jimjam]

While we recently discussed the sudden flurry of activity to meet a launch deadline, I gotta say a rushed release paired with some unresolved glitches is classic as hell!

[Lemonhead]

How do you use 26 commas and only one period! What the fuck is wrong with you?

Wait a sec. Hold on. That is exactly how Trump talks.

I'm gonna just jump ahead.

Yes, I am all for the wall across Western Karana, DaP.