Deepwater Harpoon - Gamebreaking on Green?

[Qaldar]

A low level gnome messaged me yesterday offering a player-made quest in Freeport which provided a Deepwater Harpoon as the reward. He linked the item to me and there is a way for rogues to glitch the quest.

This item is almost best in slot pre-planes. It should be removed and quest should be fixed if this is the case.

[Aaramis]

Wiki shows it as minimum level 40. Should be 40 for turn-in; would solve the problem.

[loramin]

Wiki shows it as minimum level 40. Should be 40 for turn-in; would solve the problem.

The level requirements for quests in the wiki are just suggestions for when you should be high enough to complete them. They aren't in any way a requirement.

[azeth]

What's so great about an 18/40 2hs for rogues?

[Aaramis]

What's so great about an 18/40 2hs for rogues?

It's not for Rogues, it's PAL only. I think OP is suggesting a Rogue is able to bug it somehow.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

The quest could be done at level 1 on live and you didn't even have to do the potion part of it. There is nothing wrong with the quest here.

[Videri]

A low level gnome messaged me yesterday offering a player-made quest in Freeport which provided a Deepwater Harpoon as the reward. He linked the item to me and there is a way for rogues to glitch the quest.

This item is almost best in slot pre-planes. It should be removed and quest should be fixed if this is the case.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Deepwater_Harpoon

Paladin-only. There’s no way for rogues to equip it. Also, they can’t backstab with it as it is not a Piercing weapon.

What do you mean by “glitch the quest”? I bet rogues with the proper faction can do the quest without any glitch at all.

[Legidias]

All you need is to kite spectres for 15 minutes and oyu have a new weapon. Theres nothing glitchy about it

[Qaldar]

Lol seriously? It’s game-breaking for paladins to have high level weapons through a quest that can be done by a level 1 sneaking rogue. No one is suggesting it’s game breaking for the rogue...other than the money they could earn at level one selling it.

[Videri]

Oh, ok, good. There are a lot of noobish questions lately. Glad to know yours is NOT one of them. Anyway.

Are the quest and item classic?

[Jeni]

Wow this is just horrible whoever that rogue is we should name and shame them you know just to know who to avoid...

[Gustoo]

Cool so paladins can do one good thing for one small period of the game.

More power to those brave souls.

[Bardp1999]

Paladins are garbage so not sure what the issue here is, let them have their time in the sun

[lonig]

Lol seriously? It’s game-breaking for paladins to have high level weapons through a quest that can be done by a level 1 sneaking rogue. No one is suggesting it’s game breaking for the rogue...other than the money they could earn at level one selling it.

So, based on this, the wiki is wrong on how it works? Wiki says you have to keep them alive for 10-15 minutes.

Can the NPC survive that long on their own? Or do you need to kite like a previous poster mentioned?

I'm actually impressed on how creative folks get for rewards.

[Aaramis]

So, based on this, the wiki is wrong on how it works? Wiki says you have to keep them alive for 10-15 minutes.

Can the NPC survive that long on their own? Or do you need to kite like a previous poster mentioned?

I'm actually impressed on how creative folks get for rewards.

Yeah, I'm totally confused here too.

[Danger]

first mages can't get their pets now paladins are getting a huge DPS boost? what is green coming to?

[skipdog]

Lol seriously? It’s game-breaking for paladins to have high level weapons through a quest that can be done by a level 1 sneaking rogue.

Not really. Damage caps are a thing for melee. Paladins arent going to be doing any super impressive solo feats due to them having this weapon early on.

[Ivory]

Wow this is just horrible whoever that rogue is we should name and shame them you know just to know who to avoid...

MWA HA HA! Twas I! The great noble gnome, Pockete!!

And I am no level 1 rogue....that would be silly. No no, I'ms level 7!!!!

But, the key part isn't being a rogue...the key is being a gnome! For only a gnome of great bravery could accomplish such a noble quest so soon.

It was not easy, and I had to spent a great deal of my noble gnome fortune....and it took much planning and perfect execution....but I done did it!

Then, of course, I hads to find me a noble paladin worthy of such a weapon. That I knew no one else would be able to get for some time ((the quest isn't bugged like it was on classic, you gotta actually do it)).

So I devised a quest! Which I said in Freeport last night after announcing I was to do so! Now I travels the world.....looking for a noble paladin that can accomplish my test of nobility.

https://i.imgur.com/cHfqC8l.png

[Qaldar]

This isn’t blue, guys. The whole point of green is a classic progression. If everyone can obtain items almost BiS before planes, it ruins the experience.

As a paladin, I don’t want to already have a weapon almost as good as mithril two hander when people are still using rusty and combine weapons. If you can’t see this is stupid then what is the point of a fresh green server.

[Ivory]

This isn’t blue, guys. The whole point of green is a classic progression. If everyone can obtain items almost BiS before planes, it ruins the experience.

...In classic, this quest didn't work....so you just had to go up to the NPC and say a phrase and she would drop the weapon. Here you gotta actually do it.

It isn't something any willy nilly paladin can go just pick up. People have theorized how I done did it, but I not gonna tell.

It was very clever though, perhaps the most noble and clever gnome solution to ever be accomplished!!! Using a deep knowledge of the ocean....and a long time exploring....to find just the perfect mix of a plan to achieve great deeds of nobleness.

[skipdog]

This isn’t blue, guys. The whole point of green is a classic progression. If everyone can obtain items almost BiS before planes, it ruins the experience.

As a paladin, I don’t want to already have a weapon almost as good as mithril two hander when people are still using rusty and combine weapons. If you can’t see this is stupid then what is the point of a fresh green server.

If you don't want to use this weapon, don't! I mean, seriously. Pretend you weren't aware of the quest and just progress how you want.

It's literally that simple. This is a classic quest that is working as intended. Also, damage caps are a thing. Honestly, I doubt your group would even notice if you were using a forged weapon vs. this.

[Jibartik]

I once saw Ivory spend 16 hours trying to spell a word with bags GOOD JOB IVORY!

edit: Whoah slow your roll lol a paladin with a mith2hander would decapitate a paladin with this thing :o

[zodium]

people accusing sneaksy of powergaming too hard

what a time to be alive

[Qaldar]

Swinging for 29dmg at level 10 is exactly what a twink on blue would be hitting for. If it weren’t paladin only, everyone else would be up in arms as well. That’s twice the damage of a forged weapon WITH the cap, which gets lifted at level 20.

[Jibartik]

Keep in mind that in like 2 weeks solo enchanters will be spreading mithral 2hers all over the server.

Also ya I cant believe Ivory is the most alpha player on green right now lol

"wheres chest?"
"spelling his name with bags in north karana"

(or idk insert whoever was the blue alpha idk who is blues most hated alpha, tiggles? idk)

[skipdog]

Swinging for 29dmg at level 10 is exactly what a twink on blue would be hitting for. If it weren’t paladin only, everyone else would be up in arms as well. That’s twice the damage of a forged weapon WITH the cap, which gets lifted at level 20.

What are you talking about?

TWICE the damage of a forged weapon at level 10? I don't think you understand how melee damage is calculated.

[Ivory]

people accusing sneaksy of powergaming too hard

what a time to be alive

Lol! They lucky I got bad internet.... my archery roots would have them panicking at the game breaking nature of gnome archers too :D

THOUUGHHHH

Day 2 I did have 100pp, and now have gotten over 300pps ...as a level 7. Imma breakin everything!!! :3

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Wiki shows it as minimum level 40. Should be 40 for turn-in; would solve the problem.

Someone was actually GIVING ONE AWAY in Freeport last night!

One lucky Paladin walked away VERY happy that evening!

[Ivory]

Someone was actually GIVING ONE AWAY in Freeport last night!

One lucky Paladin walked away VERY happy that evening!

No one finished the quest yet. Most paladins were too busy to come even hear the quest.

Now I travel shouting "Woa is me, I wishs I could find a [noble paladin] worthy of the great Deepwater Harpoon"

And still no paladins even wana hear the quest!! -shrug- Some day a paladin will prove themselves worthy of it. I think one is pretty close.

It's been about 24 hours since I gave the quest too. A level 1 coulda done it.

[stewe]

The quest isnt hard to do, either get a SoW or be a lvl 5 bard and get the potion which takes like 2 minutes, give the potion to the sentry and then run to the specters before she gets near them and aggro them with range weapon/spell or body pull, then kite them away from her til she despawns and go pick up your halberd, no exp lost at that lvl so all you gotta do is die on the coast of the island and run back and loot your corpse, not saying this is what the gnome did but it ust shows how easy this item actually is to get, a simple SoW and 15 minutes of kiting is all it really takes

[aaezil]

Bull smasher is 50x more op than this and you can get it before lvl 5

Now that’s game breaking!

[stewe]

The bull smasher not only doesnt come close to the dmg output of this weapon but it also isnt even a magic weapon, so the bull smasher cant even hit willowisps and other magic creatures like it, not even comparable items

[SunDrake]

The bull smasher not only doesnt come close to the dmg output of this weapon but it also isnt even a magic weapon, so the bull smasher cant even hit willowisps and other magic creatures like it, not even comparable items

The need for magic weapons is kinda overstated at this stage. I believe the only mobs you will run into that are immune are wisps and ghouls? Magic weapon certainly preferred, but not necessary. So I agree. The Bull Smasher is far more useful to far more people than a Paladin only 2H Slash. Neither are game breaking in any way.

[Ivory]

Sir Faedoli proved himself a brave and noble paladin and won the harpoon!!

https://imgur.com/lkIsHl4.png

[Dolalin]

Not enough people play Paladins for this to matter, and the ones who do honestly deserve the help imo.

[Danth]

Being able to obtain the Deepwater Harpoon at ridiculously low level is classic. It's actually a bit harder to obtain on P99 than it was in the original game. Classic shouldn't only mean taking stuff away from people.

It counts as 14/40 from level 10 until level 20, which is strong for the level but not exactly going to rock anybody's world given it's still a Paladin (with Paladin hit tables) swinging it. 18/40 is very nice during the early 20's but it's level-appropriate by the mid/upper 20's and thoroughly ho-hum by the mid 30's. Far from being game-breaking, even mid-level Paladins will mostly want to replace it with things like Ghoulbane or Man-o-War.

Classic is the Paladin's time to enjoy his class at the (relative) strongest it'll ever be, and having access to many of the best weapons for the era is part of the fun of it. Let them have their fun. The actual "OP" classes (hello, Enchanter) will continue doing their thing long after Paladins have fallen by the wayside.

Danth

[excalibur]

Give it a week and Mithril 2handers will begin being sold and they are way better

[Jibartik]

Sir Faedoli proved himself a brave and noble paladin and won the harpoon!!

https://imgur.com/lkIsHl4.png

Grats faedoli!

[Yoite]

Kudos for you doing something as cool as a player given quest and grats to Sir Faedoli!

[Cuktus]

Classic shouldn't only mean taking stuff away from people.


100% this. So many people worried about "balanced" gameplay. Its not balanced. Its not going to be balanced. Ever.

Gratz to the guy who got it! Very cool.

[Pseudechis]

Was proud to hang out with Pockete on day 1. We've been watching your travels daily sneaky rogue.

Nakor

[Jibartik]

Ivory right now

https://i.imgur.com/H9qGh5d.png

[stewe]

I know exactly how the rogue got it, i just completed and got the harpoon with a lvl 1 human wizard, didnt want to waste my time buying a bow and arrow

[Qaldar]

100% this. So many people worried about "balanced" gameplay. Its not balanced. Its not going to be balanced. Ever.

Gratz to the guy who got it! Very cool.

Reading comprehension is a real thing. This game is very obviously not balanced but that is not the topic of discussion. The topic of discussion is inappropriate itemization for a fresh server. No class should be able to get powerful weapons at level 1 solo and do so with no monetary cost. The only reason no one cares is because it’s PAL only.

The “it’s Classic” argument also isn’t legitimate because tons of other classic elements aren’t in the game (necro charm for example). No one in 1999 knew anything about going to OOT on a level 1 for this quest anyways.

[jacob54311]

Reading comprehension is a real thing. This game is very obviously not balanced but that is not the topic of discussion. The topic of discussion is inappropriate itemization for a fresh server. No class should be able to get powerful weapons at level 1 solo and do so with no monetary cost. The only reason no one cares is because it’s PAL only.

The “it’s Classic” argument also isn’t legitimate because tons of other classic elements aren’t in the game (necro charm for example). No one in 1999 knew anything about going to OOT on a level 1 for this quest anyways.

Sounds like you're mad because you think the weapon is overpowered for the level the quest can be done at. Seems like a balance issue to me. Some classes have better quests available early on than others. Some classes also have to deal with a 40 percent xp penalty among other disadvantages.

I don't think it's realistic to expect the people running the server to tweak the quests or remove some of them to make them somehow more fair or equal for all the classes/races.

[zodium]

i'm very mad about this grossly unbalanced quest, I say, as I dive through my smaugian hoard of platinum pieces earned from taking items from one NPC to another like i'm halfling rube goldberg

[Nirgon]

This is classic

[Qaldar]

Sounds like you're mad because you think the weapon is overpowered for the level the quest can be done at. Seems like a balance issue to me. Some classes have better quests available early on than others. Some classes also have to deal with a 40 percent xp penalty among other disadvantages.

I don't think it's realistic to expect the people running the server to tweak the quests or remove some of them to make them somehow more fair or equal for all the classes/races.

I seriously can’t tell if you’re a troll but I’ll bite lol.

The people running this server have done exactly what you’re saying is unrealistic. They have tweaked many quests. Some of those aren’t even classic changes, such as nerfing quest exp.

No one is mad and there is nothing wrong with the item. It’s also not an issue of interclass balance or fairness. This is an issue of progression for paladins on a PROGRESSION server, where low level items are no longer viable when they should be.

[jacob54311]

I seriously can’t tell if you’re a troll but I’ll bite lol.

The people running this server have done exactly what you’re saying is unrealistic. They have tweaked many quests. Some of those aren’t even classic changes, such as nerfing quest exp.

No one is mad and there is nothing wrong with the item. It’s also not an issue of interclass balance or fairness. This is an issue of progression for paladins on a PROGRESSION server, where low level items are no longer viable when they should be.

Are you trolling?

"No class should be able to get powerful weapons at level 1 solo and do so with no monetary cost. "

I think that can be interpreted to mean you have an issue with the fairness of a paladin getting such a powerful weapon at lower levels. It's hardly a leap to come to that conclusion.

Tweaking xp on a quest is a far cry from the sort of adjustments to quests you seem to want.

[jacob54311]

Not enough people play Paladins for this to matter, and the ones who do honestly deserve the help imo.

This.

If there were hordes of paladins overrunning the game at low levels I might be more convinced the OP had an actual point.

[Nirgon]

Just tried this -

Specs warped on top of me after getting real far away

Mob walked to its spawn point, did not drop harpoon for guild pal I was helping

[cd288]

Lol seriously? It’s game-breaking for paladins to have high level weapons through a quest that can be done by a level 1 sneaking rogue. No one is suggesting it’s game breaking for the rogue...other than the money they could earn at level one selling it.

Classic

[CJLucier]

Wonder what Pocketes quest is 🤔 I'm a Erudite Pally lol.

[Nirgon]

https://i.imgur.com/Hfd4Z5r.png

nothin

[gnomishfirework]

Game breaking when there’s like three paladins? /yawn

[Ivory]

https://i.imgur.com/Hfd4Z5r.png

nothin

She vanished for a while on me also towards the middle of the island....it was really strange. Thought she had despawned....but eventually she re-appeared and was fighting things again.

Wonder what Pocketes quest is �� I'm a Erudite Pally lol.

It was already completed. Wasn't even much competition! Took over 24 hours for someone to finish it.

[stewe]

The harpoon is EXTREMELY easy to get, all i did was make a lvl 1 wiz, i got the potion then headed to the island, there i gave her the potion then got some room from her and hit her with my free lvl 1 spell, the rest was just kiting her around the entire island near the shore til she despawned and dropped the harpoon, EZ weapon, no need for sow just strafing

[soronil]

The harpoon is EXTREMELY easy to get, all i did was make a lvl 1 wiz, i got the potion then headed to the island, there i gave her the potion then got some room from her and hit her with my free lvl 1 spell, the rest was just kiting her around the entire island near the shore til she despawned and dropped the harpoon, EZ weapon, no need for sow just strafing

and the skeletons and gargoyles just watched you for 15 minutes?

[Modwolf]

If you skirt the right areas you can avoid them. Or at this point the whole island is camped with garg hunters and quad wands for specs.

[Morratiz]

I've seen someone trying to sell a harpoon in EC for almost a week straight now. Your theory doesn't quite work out in practice

[Barantor]

You can completely twink out a new character at level 1 if you want, that's the good/bad thing about Everquest in the first place depending on your opinion.

If someone wanted it "fair" then just make everything no drop *eyeroll*

[gkmarino]

Not game breaking, file under resolved.

[Clumpoid]

You don’t even have to kite technically. I got it by hailing her for 6min straight after giving her the potion.

[uygi]

I mean, it's an 18/40 knight weapon. My Dark Reaver is 20/42. Who cares, the paladins aren't going to ruin the balance of the server unless we give them epics, and even then... still paladins...

[greenspectre]

You don’t even have to kite technically. I got it by hailing her for 6min straight after giving her the potion.

This is the method I use to farm them on my toon while hunting Gargs on the island. Might as well snag a free DW harpoon every trip, unload it in EC for a quick and easy 100pp.

As others have said already, Paladins really have it pretty rough at this, and honestly most, stages of the game. No invis, no SoW (excluding jboots), no real "oh shit" mechanics to get them out of trouble (root? Divine Aura eventually?), no gate. You're looking at the LEAST mobile class in the game with a huge exp penalty to boot. A "free" 18/40 2hs with stats is fair, IMO.

Honestly, it's SUPER easy to twink a paladin for free- Knight Card Quest, Deepwater Harpoon, Bull Smasher if you're a shawty...even with all these at my disposal, I'd still rather roll an SK. So let the pallies have their DW harpoons.

[Evia]

You don't need a rogue to 'bug' the quest. A lvl 1 paladin could do it if he's careful. You just hail lock the lady on the island until she drops it. I did it at lvl 22 on my paladin but it was suggested to me by a paladin who completed it at lvl 1.

[Zekayy]

Wiki shows it as minimum level 40. Should be 40 for turn-in; would solve the problem.

this isnt accurate as most quests you can be level 1 even in live eq still to this day just on certian items you cant equip certain items until the 40+ level

[turbosilk]

This isn’t blue, guys. The whole point of green is a classic progression. If everyone can obtain items almost BiS before planes, it ruins the experience.

As a paladin, I don’t want to already have a weapon almost as good as mithril two hander when people are still using rusty and combine weapons. If you can’t see this is stupid then what is the point of a fresh green server.

Embrace the one time frame in which paladins have more than token value.

[Qaldar]

This is the method I use to farm them on my toon while hunting Gargs on the island. Might as well snag a free DW harpoon every trip, unload it in EC for a quick and easy 100pp.

As others have said already, Paladins really have it pretty rough at this, and honestly most, stages of the game. No invis, no SoW (excluding jboots), no real "oh shit" mechanics to get them out of trouble (root? Divine Aura eventually?), no gate. You're looking at the LEAST mobile class in the game with a huge exp penalty to boot. A "free" 18/40 2hs with stats is fair, IMO.

Honestly, it's SUPER easy to twink a paladin for free- Knight Card Quest, Deepwater Harpoon, Bull Smasher if you're a shawty...even with all these at my disposal, I'd still rather roll an SK. So let the pallies have their DW harpoons.

You are commenting on a dead thread with a 50 days late reply. This is completely irrelevant when everything is already on farm status.

As far as getting out of trouble, have you ever heard of LoH? LoH also helps other classes, unlike SKs which do little to help others in a group. Also, paladins don’t need any extra help with free near-endgame weapons at level 1 on a fresh server while being the best group tank in game as it stands.

[vanix]

doing the quest at lvl 1 would require extremely high skills in everquesting.. or help from some high lvl friend.. either way i think its pretty fair to say the reward is worth the effort required... since paladins suck such balls they clearly get amazing gear in hate and such to make up for their pathetic lack of useful slot that could be a monk and isnt in a group.. they are superior DT takers also if u box one (yes even rangers are better left alive at some points)

[gkmarino]

doing the quest at lvl 1 would require extremely high skills in everquesting.. or help from some high lvl friend.. either way i think its pretty fair to say the reward is worth the effort required... since paladins suck such balls they clearly get amazing gear in hate and such to make up for their pathetic lack of useful slot that could be a monk and isnt in a group.. they are superior DT takers also if u box one (yes even rangers are better left alive at some points)Paladins are a powerful class in the hands of a skilled player. Lull spells are great for room splits if carrying +CHA in bags. The elusive teachings of the Root n Scoot technique also should be respected. Also great Paladins make a proper 5 line custom macro for their enchanter's charm pet to assist stun during charm breaks.

If there are some things that Shadow Knights lack it's the ability to cast Root, Stun, Heal or Buff their team in any meaningful way other than Cold Resist.

[Furitor]

I love me some SKs, but as a Shaman -- Paladins with FoL and/or root makes life a little less stressful, especially when we don't have an enchanter.

If you talk about raids sure they are underwhelming (but also have their place... can't just have SKs and Warriors tank trash mobs all day).

However, in group situations it's all good.

As for this thread all I gotta say is "lol". There's so many good weapons out now. Not to mention Ghoulbanes being sold for 700pp.

But it looks like OP recognizes this so all this is is a Necropost.

[Cen]

Why is nobody crying about langseax of the wolves? Pretty easy to generate those with one level 24 person.

[sajbert]

What does the model look like?

[Nirgon]

I discovered a very easy way for our Knights of Prexus to obtain this item without requiring the services of a rogue or higher level.
They have all been able to do it solo without much effort at all.

Absolutely stunned how much this item has chapped your asses.

[gkmarino]

I mean I found the easiest way is to get SOW + Levitate then to agro and kite the Sentry yourself around Oracle's island. If you have levitate to make it across the water and sow you can even do smaller circles away from other NPCs once on land.

I suppose hailing the Sentry is a decent way, but you have to pray a gargoyle or skeleton doesn't gank you. You also have to pray that 2 gargoyles don't attack the Sentry together or she might die.

[TanDemain]

https://i.imgur.com/Hfd4Z5r.png

nothin

Bad faction. I did the same thing, need to raise it to at least above Indiff imo.

[vordrax]

On my level 24 Shaman, I've had the pleasure of grouping with three whole Paladins. All three had this weapon. When I noticed them doing more than rusty dagger damage, I hastily inspected them. Upon seeing this abomination, a weapon far beyond their means and well above their station, I roared in defiance of a cruel and unjust world that would seek to grant them a boon long denied me. How dare you! How dare you, I cried, arms to the heavens. You dare sully my classic with your chicanery?! Is not the Paladin's noble and lofty goal one of honor? Of decency? And yet you swagger forth from your bind point, ill-gotten harpoon in hand? I kicked each one, after a lengthy interrogation and demands to relinquish their sin sticks and forego their heathenous ways. One had the wherewithal, the social fortitude, the self-respect to hand me their demon's tool so that I could destroy it. Him, I reinvited. In one hand, a rusty long sword. In the other? Righteousness. We kicked him later because his damage was too low but that has nothing to do with the story.

[Nirgon]

Bad faction. I did the same thing, need to raise it to at least above Indiff imo.

Neh, if you train the specs away, she goes under world at the top. That's broken and the problem we had in initial attempts.

Figured out a diff way tho :). No training specs away or anything needed. Only hints I'll give!

[Clumpoid]

The gargoyles are almost always camped and if you make a necro and get it to lvl 2 you got mana for invis undead for the skellies. Now you can just hail without worry.