Lost the spark?

[pharmakos]

I really wanted to get sucked in to Green, but I just can't seem to do it. Have barely played EQ this year, but for years before now I played TAKP and three boxed. That got boring. Now, I figured I'd try getting back into the game, single boxing, and just... Idk. The game isn't fun anymore? I love the socializing, but otherwise there's so many other games if rather play instead of bashing my head against the wall that is EQ grinding. I've been working on beating every main series Final Fantasy, for instance, something I've always wanted to do but never could because EQ took up so much of my gaming time...

Has EQ always sucked? Was it always just a fancy chat room? Why not play a better game and talk to someone while doing it?

[Izmael]

Maybe Green isn't for you. Try Blue. It has a couple QoL features Green doesn't have, and you can get geared easily, and borderline powerleveled by buffs from people in EC.

[Deathrydar]

Maybe Green isn't for you. Try Blue. It has a couple QoL features Green doesn't have, and you can get geared easily, and borderline powerleveled by buffs from people in EC.

[Baler]

EQ has always been a MUD with 3D graphics.

[TX_Beowulf]

I think "better" is a matter of opinion. There are certainly prettier games out there, for sure, but it sounds like the things that you find fun are not really what's available on Green. Some folks like a challenge, and some do not. What one person finds "challenging," another might find mind-numbingly boring. Some folks like grinding and limited resources, and some folks just love dodging red zones on the ground in an instanced zone with folks they never have to talk to. It takes all kinds, and that's OK.

[commongood]

It's pleasure and pain with classic EQ. There are EQ days where you've really looked forward to sitting down and playing for a few hours and getting some exp on your level 53 char only to:

a) have to wait for a spot in a group
b) have the group wipe 5 mins after you join
c) have the tank leave after the CR and your group spending the next 20 mins twiddling your thumbs while looking for a replacement
d) have your healer be afk with no tag when you finally get a tank replacement
e) wipe on the second pull after healer finally got back
f) have the group disbanding
g) realize it's an hour later than you had planned to play for and logging with less exp than when you logged on and having to get your corpse tomorrow.

You then ask yourself why oh why do I do this to myself. And why indeed? Obviously if experiences like that were the norm it would be too dire, but I mean it's part of what makes the reward feel so immense (just reaching maximum level).

I never played during vanilla EQ and I'm yet to really play on green. But imagine it's all pretty hard core.

If you can't keep your sanity while focusing on the long term goals and thrive with that then maybe it just isn't your cup of tea.

I mean Blizzard cherry picked the best elements from EQ and then completely (nearly anyway) did away with down time and bottle necks etc. It worked a charm. They pretty much blew EQ out of the water and EQ spent the next several years trying to copy WoW with all sorts of "QoL" improvements to the game. But hand-holding leads to generic gaming experiences imo. There's a reason I don't play WoW (even classic WoW) but am a sucker for Blue 99 :)

[Gunnie]

I love the socializing, but otherwise there's so many other games if rather play instead of bashing my head against the wall that is EQ grinding. I've been working on beating every main series Final Fantasy, for instance, something I've always wanted to do but never could because EQ took up so much of my gaming time...

Not to mention the release of Red Dead Redemption 2 on 11/5/19, which appears to look amazing on PC.

EQ would be a great time killer for me at work, but when I log into green, I /cry at that UI.

[Deathrydar]

Not to mention the release of Red Dead Redemption 2 on 11/5/19, which appears to look amazing on PC.

Oh man! You just made me feel so much better! Hopefully at least 50% of the green community leaves for that game!!!

[Lojik]

I really wanted to get sucked in to Green, but I just can't seem to do it. Have barely played EQ this year, but for years before now I played TAKP and three boxed. That got boring. Now, I figured I'd try getting back into the game, single boxing, and just... Idk. The game isn't fun anymore? I love the socializing, but otherwise there's so many other games if rather play instead of bashing my head against the wall that is EQ grinding. I've been working on beating every main series Final Fantasy, for instance, something I've always wanted to do but never could because EQ took up so much of my gaming time...

Has EQ always sucked? Was it always just a fancy chat room? Why not play a better game and talk to someone while doing it?

If you're not feeling it, yeah EQ sucks. I go through spurts where I really want to play and others where I don't at all. It can tend to be really slow, and if you weren't hyped for green i'd just stay off for a while, maybe you'll feel like doing it later? At the moment it's more packed than classic EQ should be. People are coping simply cause they want to race, they're hyped, or nostalgia, not cause it's a fantastic base experience

[senna]

Once the nostalgia wears off you either need to be on disability, unemployment or retired to get any worth from classic everquest.

Enjoy a few days of killing orcs, cybering wood elves, and training guards. Then move on to modern games. :D:D:D

[solleks]

Once the nostalgia wears off you either need to be on disability, unemployment or retired to get any worth from classic everquest.

Enjoy a few days of killing orcs, cybering wood elves, and training guards. Then move on to modern games. :D:D:D
The right amount of depression helps. Too much and your going to not be into anything, too little and your just going to go outside too much

[Baa]

I logged on and made level 3 on opening night but sort of feel a bit meh about committing to the grind all over again.

I spent a lot of time playing pre kunark on blue but I just find I have little desire to do it all again.

[Greymantle]

I lost interest after spending over 3 hours doing a quest for it to bug out. Then I was told in my petition it will most likely take over a month to resolve. Not going to waste any more time.

[Deathrydar]

Yes! Yes! Give in to your anger and don't play green! :):):):):)

[Wwen42]

Sounds like you were already getting burnt out and the game really hasn't changed in a signifigant way. Sometimes that just happens. Take time off to do something different and it'll still be here if you get the bug again.

[silo32]

Yes! Yes! Give in to your anger and don't play green! :):):):):)

sounds like you need some mental help... why do you want the green community to not enjoy the game like yourself?

Me, idk im loving it... played blue red and now green. You either have it or you don't. Enjoy whatever maple story game you are trying to sway the community to play with you.

You think they will but they won't

[Deathrydar]

sounds like you need some mental help... why do you want the green community to not enjoy the game like yourself?

Me, idk im loving it... played blue red and now green. You either have it or you don't. Enjoy whatever maple story game you are trying to sway the community to play with you.

You think they will but they won't

I do want them to enjoy it. There are just way too many people on green right now and it ruins the experience. I don't "want" anyone to not play or have fun, I just would not mind if people left.

[Greymantle]

I do want them to enjoy it. There are just way too many people on green right now and it ruins the experience. I don't "want" anyone to not play or have fun, I just would not mind if people left.

I agree they should have done 2 servers because 1 server is not getting the classic feel too many people. Then they wouldn't have had to mess with spawn rates and exp gains.

[Deathrydar]

I agree they should have done 2 servers because 1 server is not getting the classic feel too many people. Then whey wouldn't have had to mess with spawn rates and exp gains.

[Baler]

I agree they should have done 2 servers

So there is less competition for the /list items :D

[Deathrydar]

So there is less competition for the /list items :D

No! So maybe people online could actually play when they can log on...
But I see where you're coming from!

[Wwen42]

The population problem will change overtime. Better too many now than too few later on. YMMV.

[El-Hefe]

Yikes... What a bunch of mopey people.

EQ is fun as hell.

[Greymantle]

No! So maybe people online could actually play when they can log on...
But I see where you're coming from!

When you login your level 3 Druid and there is 60 plus in Qeynos start zone and not a mob insight in every direction I gave up.

[Deathrydar]

When you login your level 3 Druid and there is 60 plus in Qeynos start zone and not a mob insight in every direction I gave up.

Exactly my point! I cannot believe there are players that voted against the server split.

[A1551]

Hey man! Its been a long time! Maybe yur just all eqed out, and if so thats understandable. I had a nice palate cleanser of wow classic before green that reminded me why classic is so much more enjoyable to me (despite its many many warts). I think if i hadnt done that i wouldn't have it in me for green, but now im seriously worked up to play. Altho ultimately eq is just a game and when you're not having fun anymore its probably time to move on! Gotta ask yourself if rushing to maybe get a manastone or guise or whatever is really worth the nonsense

If you do keep playing tho drop me a message and lets group! That goes for you too lojik!

[cd288]

Exactly my point! I cannot believe there are players that voted against the server split.

Because this is a temporary issue. First, people will eventually spread out as they get into their teens, so overcrowding won't be as much of a problem. Second, we are going to lose a significant number of people form the server either way; some people are here just to experience the launch and then going back to Blue, some are here trying EQ for the firts time and will find they don't like it or would prefer Blue, some are coming back to EQ for the first time in over 10 years and will find they don't appreciate the grind once the nostalgia wears off, some are coming from Blue and will find they don't like the much slower grind without twinks and with huge EXP penalties that aren't in place on Blue. All of those people will account for at least a few hundred players which will leave within the next month or so.

[Greymantle]

Exactly my point! I cannot believe there are players that voted against the server split.

I didn't understand it either since they were going to merge them when needed.

[silo32]

I do want them to enjoy it. There are just way too many people on green right now and it ruins the experience. I don't "want" anyone to not play or have fun, I just would not mind if people left.

Perfect amount of people playing. Its not as bad as you post here. I am pretty casual and I just hit lvl 10. Forgot how bad people are at this.. People not medding, pulling adds, ninja afking. Plenty classic. Also love the low lvl pop. It will even out when people move around on the curve.

I think you should give the server .. oh more than 72 hours before you consider it a fail..

I mean Blue has been up for what almost 10 years? I played on launch and this was much smoother. Even given all the info and practice we have had the past 20 years.

[Deathrydar]

Because this is a temporary issue. First, people will eventually spread out as they get into their teens, so overcrowding won't be as much of a problem. Second, we are going to lose a significant number of people form the server either way; some people are here just to experience the launch and then going back to Blue, some are here trying EQ for the firts time and will find they don't like it or would prefer Blue, some are coming back to EQ for the first time in over 10 years and will find they don't appreciate the grind once the nostalgia wears off, some are coming from Blue and will find they don't like the much slower grind without twinks and with huge EXP penalties that aren't in place on Blue. All of those people will account for at least a few hundred players which will leave within the next month or so.

Rogen said they could easily merge the two servers if population fell off. Where is the downside to a split?

[Deathrydar]

I think you should give the server .. oh more than 72 hours before you consider it a fail..



Never said it was a "fail". Thanks for playing though.

[Jeni]

Don’t get discouraged it will get better when people level up and it’s 2000 people competing for Vox and Naggy loot.

[Deathrydar]

I didn't understand it either since they were going to merge them when needed.

Exactly! There was no down side to a split, only an upside!! Makes no sense. I swear people don't think...

[Greymantle]

Exactly! There was no down side to a split, only an upside!! Makes no sense. I swear people don't think...

I wanted to enjoy the classic experience and this isn't it. Playing with spawn rates and exp gains on quest turn-in was not the way to go for a classic experience.

With that said I'm thankful for the chance to play it's just not what I was looking for.

[silo32]

Never said it was a "fail". Thanks for playing though.

your posts are heavy on the fact you are un happy with the server pop, the community and you want others to join you in your lack of empathy for the server. Idk maybe I am reading it wrong but your entire vibe is negative. You are trying to pull others into your realm. Enjoy it for what it is, a fresh server. Sounds like you are burned out or should take a break.

I think green is great. Im logged in now full party and no one else is in our zone.. Make it happen Captain, you sail your own ship.

[Tecmos Deception]

Exactly! There was no down side to a split, only an upside!! Makes no sense. I swear people don't think...

There's a difference between not thinking and thinking differently. You're doing the former. Most people are doing the latter.

[Tenagra]

Yeah I was extremely excited to play at launch but after seeing how many people there are. I mean I get it, it's got a huge social aspect and I've loved my time on blue but literally every mob was camped in sight. My first thought was "Ok this is just too early. I'll wait out the first wave and play in a few days." So I logged in last night and it was literally the same thing...

Either way I'll just wait longer until the experience starts to feel like what it should, unless of course others are also waiting for the newbie zones to clear up and we're the next wave of too many people ;)

[Deathrydar]

There's a difference between not thinking and thinking differently. You're doing the former. Most people are doing the latter.

Explain that then. If we had the server split, it would have done nothing but relieve the population in the newbie zones.

IF, and that's an IF, the population drops off, they could be merged back together.

Where am I not thinking where others are thinking differently?

[Deathrydar]

Yeah I was extremely excited to play at launch but after seeing how many people there are. I mean I get it, it's got a huge social aspect and I've loved my time on blue but literally every mob was camped in sight. My first thought was "Ok this is just too early. I'll wait out the first wave and play in a few days." So I logged in last night and it was literally the same thing...

Either way I'll just wait longer until the experience starts to feel like what it should, unless of course others are also waiting for the newbie zones to clear up and we're the next wave of too many people ;)

It is most likely gonna be like that for a couple of months.

[skipdog]

Jeez who cares. If you don't want to play, just leave. If you don't find it fun, why bother coming here to tell everyone how you didn't have fun?

Farewell posts are the worst... especially when they come a few days after the server launches. Like they just want people to try to convince them why they should play or they want others who also quit to pat them on the backs and say 'It's ok, we are better than all these filthy eq players, let's go play real games'.

[cd288]

Exactly! There was no down side to a split, only an upside!! Makes no sense. I swear people don't think...

Server merges due to dying population never look good from an optical perspective. No need to risk that and go through the hassle of opening another server and then merging it later just because we have a temporary issue of early zones being crowded for a week or two.

People need to chill out and give it a week or two for everyone to spread out.

[Forsh]

It takes some time but eventually the tourists leave. WoW Classic opened new servers and lots of people ended up getting stranded on dead servers with the way Blizzard did that.

[Deathrydar]

Server merges due to dying population never look good from an optical perspective. No need to risk that and go through the hassle of opening another server and then merging it later just because we have a temporary issue of early zones being crowded for a week or two.

People need to chill out and give it a week or two for everyone to spread out.

It'll be months before the population declines and the server will lose many players forever that may have been dedicated due to the immense overpopulation.

I'll be here in two weeks to tell ya that I told ya so.

[Wwen42]

If the server poll mentioned that it could be re-merged I'd have voted yes. I guess it's obvious in hindsight, but I was high on camping decayed skelingtons and bottles of kalish! You can't expect a man to perform brain functions under these circumstances!

[Deathrydar]

If the server poll mentioned that it could be re-merged I'd have voted yes. I guess it's obvious in hindsight, but I was high on camping decayed skelingtons and bottles of kalish! You can't expect a man to perform brain functions under these circumstances!

I hear ya. But Rogean said it specifically in his broadcast. He stated they can merge them back whenever.

Not many people read his broadcast, this was apparent by the 100 OOC comments in EC that said "NO" instead of following Rogean's direction and sending him a /tell with their answer.

[Sandroid]

Since the plan is a 3 year cycle it might be interesting to launch a new server every year or year and a half. Then have them all dump into blue and restart just like green. The launches after this one would likely be quite a bit less overcrowded and it would give new players more options for when they’d like to start on the timeline.

[cd288]

It'll be months before the population declines and the server will lose many players forever that may have been dedicated due to the immense overpopulation.

I'll be here in two weeks to tell ya that I told ya so.

The population doesn't need to decline, people just need to get higher in level such that they keep spreading out. The more people that get into their teens and twenties the less of an issue there will be.

It's a temporary issue due to everyone being low level and packed into the newbie zones. Heck, it starts getting significantly better even from like level 6 on. I was easily able to find a group at one of the Orc camps in GFay, got into a group in CB with 20 minutes of waiting, even more easily found goblin camp and bandit camp groups in Butcherblock, and have had zero issues finding mobs to kill in EC, WC, and N Ro (have also been able to easily find groups at Orc camps or Derv camps there). This will only get better as people keep leveling up and being able to take advantage of more zones/camps/content.

It's only an issue for the first few levels in the newbie yard immediately outside your city. And with the respawn rate still higher than normal, if you have trouble finding consistent spawns while running around the newbie areas, just go sit on one spawn point and grind it up.

[kjs86z]

try blue today!

[Deathrydar]

The population doesn't need to decline, people just need to get higher in level such that they keep spreading out. The more people that get into their teens and twenties the less of an issue there will be.

It's a temporary issue due to everyone being low level and packed into the newbie zones. Heck, it starts getting significantly better even from like level 6 on. I was easily able to find a group at one of the Orc camps in GFay, got into a group in CB with 20 minutes of waiting, even more easily found goblin camp and bandit camp groups in Butcherblock, and have had zero issues finding mobs to kill in EC, WC, and N Ro (have also been able to easily find groups at Orc camps or Derv camps there). This will only get better as people keep leveling up and being able to take advantage of more zones/camps/content.

It's only an issue for the first few levels in the newbie yard immediately outside your city. And with the respawn rate still higher than normal, if you have trouble finding consistent spawns while running around the newbie areas, just go sit on one spawn point and grind it up.

Yeah. And the two dungeons that everyone will be forced into will work out fine when the population moves to those.

Not sure if you don't know this game or if you are just trying to argue...

[douglas1999]

2.5k might disagree, but I get what you mean. On the other hand, I haven't gotten sucked into any modern game even remotely, which are more or less ALSO chatrooms with a game around them.

[Mblake81]

I really wanted to get sucked in to Green, but I just can't seem to do it. Have barely played EQ this year, but for years before now I played TAKP and three boxed. That got boring. Now, I figured I'd try getting back into the game, single boxing, and just... Idk. The game isn't fun anymore? I love the socializing, but otherwise there's so many other games if rather play instead of bashing my head against the wall that is EQ grinding. I've been working on beating every main series Final Fantasy, for instance, something I've always wanted to do but never could because EQ took up so much of my gaming time...

Has EQ always sucked? Was it always just a fancy chat room? Why not play a better game and talk to someone while doing it?

Modern Gaming. :o

I would have liked the UI/Night Blindess during m 8 years but I can't do it again. I already have for a long time. It was fun laughing at noobs though and fighting over skeleton spawns.

So why not play another game that doesn't suck and chat? good question. For me EQ is the game I judge every other game like this by. I judge all FPS based on UT99. Modern games are pretty but lacking imo.

PC games died for me in 2008, with the rise of social media. PC games lost an aspect of what made them special compared with a console title. I am just not with the modern sense of the PC being an upgrade capable console with ported mobile games.

I forumquest now.

Have barely played EQ this year, but for years before now I played TAKP and three boxed. That got boring.

Sound like the guys here that use modern advantages and complain about the game being easy.

[astuce999]

It'll be months before the population declines and the server will lose many players forever that may have been dedicated due to the immense overpopulation.

I'll be here in two weeks to tell ya that I told ya so.

This can't be overstated. We're blowing it :(

Astuce

[cd288]

Yeah. And the two dungeons that everyone will be forced into will work out fine when the population moves to those.

Not sure if you don't know this game or if you are just trying to argue...

You don't need to go to those two dungeons in order to XP though. Sure, people will try to at first and then quickly realize that it's not feasible and start fanning out into other zones and under-utilized camps. This has already started happening in the low level dungeons of CB, Blackburrow, and Befallen.

On Blue, it's different. Everyone packs into those zones and stays on wait lists because it's just a lot of time and effort to first convince someone to join a group and go somewhere else and then travel there. On Green, it won't be a hard decision to leave the crowded dungeon and go to a different zone that has content within your level range, because you know you'll be able to find people there if you need a group. There's a good amount of content in every level range if you're willing to go off the beaten path, which people will do out of necessity, which will then lead to other people doing so because they know the odds are high that they can find a duo, trio, or group in most zones at most camps. Again, this has already started happening on Green with the lower level dungeons, so it's not speculation.

[Deathrydar]

You don't need to go to those two dungeons in order to XP though. Sure, people will try to at first and then quickly realize that it's not feasible and start fanning out into other zones and under-utilized camps. This has already started happening in the low level dungeons of CB, Blackburrow, and Befallen.

You just reinforced and explained the very problem you are arguing with me about.

smh

[cd288]

You just reinforced and explained the very problem you are arguing with me about.

smh

Nope. Because my point is it's not a problem. It would be a problem if those are the only two zones to go to, but they're not. There's plenty of content available for XPing and progressing your character; plenty of quests for good pre-Planar gear across the world. Your argument would be valid if, say, Upper Guk and Unrest were the only places to level from like 19-25.

[Jibartik]

If you lost the spark, remember, now is the time to play the game and have a balanced life.

Play a few hours a week, or a month! Youll get as much enjoyment as you used to get out if it playing it for every hour of the week or the month.

In fact you may get more because it allows you to play without the crippling depression part.

I did to 72 hours weekend 1 though and thought "Man it would be really embarrassing if I died at my desk from how unhealthy I am being right now."

[Deathrydar]

If you lost the spark, remember, now is the time to play the game and have a balanced life.

Play a few hours a week, or a month! Youll get as much enjoyment as you used to get out if it playing it for every hour of the week or the month.

In fact you may get more because it allows you to play without the crippling depression part.

I did to 72 hours weekend 1 though and thought "Man it would be really embarrassing if I died at my desk from how unhealthy I am being right now."

I get those thoughts often. In fact, I took off from work yesterday to play and on my 13th hour of playing straight, I started questioning if this is for me.

I just have to get it in moderation and I should be fine. But this game is difficult to play in moderation.

[Roth]

I'm level 13 right now and not sure how I feel about it. I'm weirdly addicted to green, but it doesn't really feel like "everquest" to me in the way that I knew it. It feels bad to play but I'm addicted to the grind. I previously had more fun on prevelious blue - I can't really put my finger on it but I'll list some reasons why I think this is.

I started in luclin on live so I never got to experience the purple sky, the weirdly pixelated spell gems, and all of those weird graphical things. To me everquest was having to group, do corpse runs, having to wait for the boat, and having to explore with no map. So when they took out the sky that I was used to for 10-15 years I didn't like it but I tolerated it. Same with many other changes like the spell gems, the colored box around mobs, being able to move to make yourself stand, etc. Every change made I tolerated even if I didn't really like it.

On green, my first impression was that I hated the ui. I hated that dynamic lighting was forced making my game stutter. I didn't really like that there was no kunark(I'm bored of pre kunark servers). I couldn't find any mobs to kill and it sucked. I realized I hated the fact that my race got less exp than others(I'm a troll) and that all shadowknights/rangers were basically screwed.

I played anyways obviously, but with fast respawns and just the way people are actually playing the game it feels like a weird private server(which it is). Blue before velious always felt more authentic to me somehow to how eq was supposed to be but this server just isn't it.

[Deathrydar]

Blue before velious always felt more authentic to me somehow to how eq was supposed to be but this server just isn't it.

Blue launched with 106 players online....
Green launched with over 2000 online...

Totally different monsters. I hear what you're saying but all of the stuff you are talking about will come back to ya, it's just the insane population that is making you stray off course presently, and it is a fear of mine that we are losing many a good player due to the over population problem.

[Bazia]

I'm level 13 right now and not sure how I feel about it. I'm weirdly addicted to green, but it doesn't really feel like "everquest" to me in the way that I knew it. It feels bad to play but I'm addicted to the grind. I previously had more fun on prevelious blue - I can't really put my finger on it but I'll list some reasons why I think this is.

I started in luclin on live so I never got to experience the purple sky, the weirdly pixelated spell gems, and all of those weird graphical things. To me everquest was having to group, do corpse runs, having to wait for the boat, and having to explore with no map. So when they took out the sky that I was used to for 10-15 years I didn't like it but I tolerated it. Same with many other changes like the spell gems, the colored box around mobs, being able to move to make yourself stand, etc. Every change made I tolerated even if I didn't really like it.

On green, my first impression was that I hated the ui. I hated that dynamic lighting was forced making my game stutter. I didn't really like that there was no kunark(I'm bored of pre kunark servers). I couldn't find any mobs to kill and it sucked. I realized I hated the fact that my race got less exp than others(I'm a troll) and that all shadowknights/rangers were basically screwed.

I played anyways obviously, but with fast respawns and just the way people are actually playing the game it feels like a weird private server(which it is). Blue before velious always felt more authentic to me somehow to how eq was supposed to be but this server just isn't it.

blue with target rings, duxaUI, and no night blindedness was a more authentic EQ experience than green

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[Deathrydar]

blue with target rings, duxaUI, and no night blindedness was a more authentic EQ experience than green

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Don't forget that blue had the new skeleton models and the new wolf models at launch as well. Oh and the boats didn't even work, they had translocators.

They've come a long way. But being at both the blue and green launches, green feels much more like the EverQuest I knew back in 1999. It's just this population problem that weighs me down!

[Roth]

blue with target rings, duxaUI, and no night blindedness was a more authentic EQ experience than green

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Obviously it wasn't authentic to 1999. But 1999 was one year out of 20 years of eq. I basically started playing here once live got to an unplayable state - when I came back and there were no more corpse runs, no one in high keep to group with, etc. Blue felt good to play and I don't think every change made to p99 over the years actually made it feel better or more fun.

[Jibartik]

Just think about how fun Kunark is going to be trying to get through all that content in 7 months! It will probubly be easy but here's to hoping that it takes the majority of us longer haha (we'll be done in 7 days, sigh) lol

[Deathrydar]

Just think about how fun Kunark is going to be trying to get through all that content in 7 months! It will probubly be easy but here's to hoping that it takes the majority of us longer haha (we'll be done in 7 days, sigh) lol

See, I have no interest in "completing" anything. Just wanna log on and have fun! I have no desire for any of these list items, or to raid. Guess I am a different type of player.

[Jibartik]

I meant competing with the NPCs if anything! :)

Do you have any idea how many farmers I have hailed since friday? lol a lot. :o

[Deathrydar]

I meant competing with the NPCs if anything! :)

Do you have any idea how many farmers I have hailed since friday? lol a lot. :o

Farmers?

[larper99]

Last night was day 4 and already the population is spreading out nicely. I have no trouble soloing blues in EP to feed my tradeskilling.

Problem is, many of the new players are really new. They don't know how to group. Got into a group last night to go to WK to (I thought) camp some bears and bandits (while I gathered as many cat pelts as possible). Nope. Ran around like mad killing every blue they could find (we were all about 5-ish). Grizzly? They ran away from it. Camp? Never heard the term. No real healer in the group, but a shaman who actually seemed to know what he was doing, but remained quiet while they ran around non stop, then wondered why no one was healing. After about an hour, lots of running, about half-bubble of exp, and no treasure (but I did get an overload of pelts to skill up with). Still, they were nice enough and having fun, it seemed. The shaman seemed a bit frustrated, as was I, but remained quiet.

Meanwhile, back in EP, people complaining about not finding blues in over 20 minutes, while I was killing spiderlings and cubs left and right with no one else in sight.

[Greymantle]

See, I have no interest in "completing" anything. Just wanna log on and have fun! I have no desire for any of these list items, or to raid. Guess I am a different type of player.

That is how I feel I'm here to have fun. It's not fun to find zero mobs to fight and or have to claim a camp in one spot in the newbie zone to have 1 mob to fight.

It's too bad they couldn't do layering that would have made it a lot better.

[pharmakos]

Maybe Green isn't for you. Try Blue. It has a couple QoL features Green doesn't have, and you can get geared easily, and borderline powerleveled by buffs from people in EC.

Lol I was playing on TAKP last time I played EQ, the client isn't the issue ;)

[pharmakos]

Oh and BTW I'm on disability, been dealing with cancer for the last four years, so I have free time (when I'm feeling okay). That's not the issue.

[Jibartik]

Farmers?

haha NPCs in the karanas, someone has to say hello!

[Jibartik]

Oh and BTW I'm on disability, been dealing with cancer for the last four years, so I have free time (when I'm feeling okay). That's not the issue.

Oh no I hope you are ok! :(

[Crede]

Classic EQ is like that chick in Highschool that had you wrapped around her finger and gave you just enough to keep you wanting to come back for more. She toyed with all your emotions and had fun doing it, with just as many highs as llows.

She’s moved on, probably had a few divorces since but still to this day gives no shits about you. The reality is, you’re living off nostalgia, you never really liked her or gained anything from her which truly made your life better and you a better person as a result. You just couldn’t and still can’t get enough of riding that emotional rollercoaster.

[Roth]

Classic EQ is like that chick in Highschool that had you wrapped around her finger and gave you just enough to keep you wanting to come back for more. She toyed with all your emotions and had fun doing it, with just as many highs as llows.

She’s moved on, probably had a few divorces since but still to this day gives no shits about you. The reality is, you’re living off nostalgia, you never really liked her or gained anything from her which truly made your life better and you a better person as a result. You just couldn’t and still can’t get enough of riding that emotional rollercoaster.

Although this is funny, I don't agree with the main message. There have been times I played eq on live, and on p99, and it felt rewarding, fun, and satisfying. When I played on blue a few years ago I never thought "why am I doing this" it felt fun in and of itself. To me green just feels artificial and mechanical for some reason but I can't really explain why.

[Deathrydar]

Although this is funny, I don't agree with the main message. There have been times I played eq on live, and on p99, and it felt rewarding, fun, and satisfying. When I played on blue a few years ago I never thought "why am I doing this" it felt fun in and of itself. To me green just feels artificial and mechanical for some reason but I can't really explain why.

Perhaps you have just hit your fill of EQ?

[El-Hefe]

Although this is funny, I don't agree with the main message. There have been times I played eq on live, and on p99, and it felt rewarding, fun, and satisfying. When I played on blue a few years ago I never thought "why am I doing this" it felt fun in and of itself. To me green just feels artificial and mechanical for some reason but I can't really explain why.

Lol.

Overthinking it?

[Roth]

Lol.

Overthinking it?

If I was playing green and thought it was the best thing ever I would probably be making posts about how it was the best thing ever. I was super hyped for this release for months and it just hasn't been everything I wanted it to be.

[Wwen42]

I always had a hard time staying game-monogamous. I stopped WoWing all the time to catch up on other stuff. I also play Elite Dangerous sometimes. There's a lot of games in the vault that basically don't have an end so I just rotate stuff.

[Rang]

I’m completely re addicted and am contemplating quitting my job to be a full time green 99er

[Tzug]

If I was playing green and thought it was the best thing ever I would probably be making posts about how it was the best thing ever. I was super hyped for this release for months and it just hasn't been everything I wanted it to be.

I've rolled 3 characters on Green and gotten them all to lvl 2-3, but I haven't been able to play for more than an hour or so before logging off and going back to Blue. Glad people are enjoying Green, but I'm not sure it's going to stick for me. Hopefully some people start splitting their time more or re-prioritize Blue so the pop gets back up to around 800, but even if they don't, I'll likely be going down with the ship. I just like my characters too much.

[astuce999]

Although this is funny, I don't agree with the main message. There have been times I played eq on live, and on p99, and it felt rewarding, fun, and satisfying. When I played on blue a few years ago I never thought "why am I doing this" it felt fun in and of itself. To me green just feels artificial and mechanical for some reason but I can't really explain why.

If you've ever gone to an overcrowded beach you'll find the exact same feeling.

In French there's an appropriate expression that says "too much is a lot like too little".

cheers,

Astuce

[mattydef]

I feel ya, i'm pretty much in the same boat. I'd love to play green but I just can't bring myself to actually do it. I've played so much on blue over the last 3-4 years and accomplished so much on p99 already that I no longer have that drive I once had. At this point I plan on just logging on every once in a while for short windows and my time will probably be best spent on blue, at least for a while (things can change).

[bigjeff100]

I didn't think i would actually end up on green myself.. I was afraid if i started a character on green, it would drive me to spend all my time and more over there.. And i hardly have anytime to play at all!

But after getting a little cleric to 5 on green, I don't really feel that pull like i thought! I keep a close eye on blue but since i dont raid, i check friend list, i check lfg's, and if nothin crackin, im back to green! It's actually refreshing not being judged or inspected... People just assume ur gear sucks like theirs haha! Just play green with the right state of mind.. Don't go in there wanting to get on a list for legacy items, or anything like that.. Just play to play! Keep your focus and pixels on blue.

[silo32]

Last night was day 4 and already the population is spreading out nicely. I have no trouble soloing blues in EP to feed my tradeskilling.

Problem is, many of the new players are really new. They don't know how to group. Got into a group last night to go to WK to (I thought) camp some bears and bandits (while I gathered as many cat pelts as possible). Nope. Ran around like mad killing every blue they could find (we were all about 5-ish). Grizzly? They ran away from it. Camp? Never heard the term. No real healer in the group, but a shaman who actually seemed to know what he was doing, but remained quiet while they ran around non stop, then wondered why no one was healing. After about an hour, lots of running, about half-bubble of exp, and no treasure (but I did get an overload of pelts to skill up with). Still, they were nice enough and having fun, it seemed. The shaman seemed a bit frustrated, as was I, but remained quiet.

Meanwhile, back in EP, people complaining about not finding blues in over 20 minutes, while I was killing spiderlings and cubs left and right with no one else in sight.

I have noticed many new players with little to no experience here doing some out landish shit in parties, saw a druid snare every mob when it could have been better spent healing

[Lamil]

I have noticed many new players with little to no experience here doing some out landish shit in parties, saw a druid snare every mob when it could have been better spent healing

I think Tecmos made a point in another thread also about this. Either there were a lot of really bad players back in the day or we have a lot of really new people playing on the server. It's amazing some of the shit you see

[larper99]

I think Tecmos made a point in another thread also about this. Either there were a lot of really bad players back in the day or we have a lot of really new people playing on the server. It's amazing some of the shit you see
I consider myself a noob, or noobish, since I didn't play EQ much originally. I did play EQ2 a bit more. Not sure if that counts. Played on blue for about 6 months.

And still, I absorbed some of the tactics, knew about "assist", pulling, etc. How can some players claim to know EQ and not know that stuff?

[Lamil]

I consider myself a noob, or noobish, since I didn't play EQ much originally. I did play EQ2 a bit more. Not sure if that counts. Played on blue for about 6 months.

And still, I absorbed some of the tactics, knew about "assist", pulling, etc. How can some players claim to know EQ and not know that stuff?

Honestly I think people jumping on blue late may be part of the problem. People always kinda handed you stuff and you were usually overpowered for what you were trying to do. This patchwork tarnished weapons stuff actually makes you need to use your brain a little.

[Gustoo]

If it aint fun it aint fun.

Sometimes fun games arent fun and you want to do monotonous work like EQ.

EQ has always had a huge amount of different players and you will always need to talk to your group mates and get them alligned with you. They didn't all come from your raiding guild. Some of them maybe were EC rats, some of them were a solo class..who knows.

When you make a group you always gotta talk a lot. Its chatquest.

[acoordinator]

You know times are desperate when were right back to the forums...

Well I don't post much or ever so I don't expect any klout on my opinion. I was addicted af to EQ, WOW, EVE online and roughly any other major mmo thats come out in the past 20 years. I should have failed school cause of EQ which should have taught me somthing.. it did not... fast forward, were all here. (watch everyone scrutinize my education now)

Now im 35, my second son was just born 4 months ago, I have a good full time job with a wife and two kids, i'm not 16 with endless supply of doritos, coca cola, and free time. Is it that bad to presume others are in somewhat the same boat? Is this just not a game for people like me anymore? How did I do it on Blue? (questionable answer) This is my problem now, and its because of the choices i've made, not the mechanics on green.

But I just dont feel that spark. And I agree with the comments from Deathryda, Roth and Pharmakos, there's something core to this server that feels wrong. Maybe it was seeing people go spawn crazy for decaying skeletons, or sitting for 3 hours in groups like people say not really gaining any xp cause nobody really knows what their doing...(I guess we forgot?). Something is different now that what it was 20 years ago. No its not the UI, its not the lists. I cant put my finger on it though I will admit the moment I saw that broadcast from Rogean asking if we wanted two green servers my answer was an overwhelming YES in my head. I remember my classic experience being grinding, long, but Fun. There wasn't an overwhelming amount of people who either knew EVERYTHING about the game, or almost nothing. Ive asked in groups a few times what everyone thinks will happen when we all try to go to MM, HH, or wherever 20-30, I usually get told don't bother it will be packed... Spread out, go find areas that arn't packed... and that's great, if you have the time, and know those places, are connected like 1/3 the population in some secret p1999 underground, or u just lucked out and got in., but I wont be, I don't have any chance at that, and that and many other places I will probably miss out on is why this classic experience is different for me. I spent weeks scrutinizing what class I should play... I want to group, but with my schedule I never got many groups in blue so I doubt Id be getting them on green.

Like others have talked about for months people have been practicing making classic chars, they've been planning, schemeing, I did too... but for the reasons above, I just cant devote the same time as the guy who quit his job divorced his wife waved bye to his kids and sits on a bucket with pizza pops beside him.... I cant compete with that and Im happy for that.

So I cutting this crap short cause its more than yall want to read anyway. I hope in a few months things have settled. Dont judge me, I love p1999, Green and Blue. I loved my last three years on blue with Kittens I could not have asked for a better Everquest experience. I am donating $15 a month for P1999 and will for years to come just as if I was paying for a subscription like WOW because I feel it is an amazing thing, I still dream of having my kids come camp Udogs in Velks with me someday tho they will probably think its really lame.

So in ending, Thank you to the people who dare not love this experience, we need to be free thinkers. Thank you most of all to the devs. You have created something amazing. I hope someday my own life circumstances will allow me to enjoy this world you've created. Were not going anywhere o7

[Vizax_Xaziv]

The population problem will change overtime. Better too many now than too few later on. YMMV.

Server already lost 25% of its launch-weekend population. A month from now it'll be topping out around 1500, and month after that, it won't even tip 1000.

[Jibartik]

Logged in, gamed for 1hr 10 min, got a stupid low level, logged off.

This is healthy! :D

I had the spark day 1-3 and thought "yeesh my body is shutting down I'm too old for this I am going to die at my desk how embarrassing my friends are going to be so slightly humerusly disappointed"

Screw the spark! :p

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Server merges due to dying population never look good from an optical perspective. No need to risk that and go through the hassle of opening another server and then merging it later just because we have a temporary issue of early zones being crowded for a week or two.

People need to chill out and give it a week or two for everyone to spread out.

Let's be honest it was a bullshit "vote."

I would that just about everyone who had already gotten "ahead of the curve" voted no, and everyone who was just starting out voted yes.

[acoordinator]

Server already lost 25% of its launch-weekend population. A month from now it'll be topping out around 1500, and month after that, it won't even tip 1000.
Noting I do agree with all the counter arguments everyone has also stated. I really do hope people go back to blue, wow classic or whatever and green can survive on a healthy population of people, veterans and new gamers.

[Keza]

If you play EQ in any format so much that you don't even play other games then... yeah... no shit it's not fun anymore. Only a lunatic could do the same thing forever without getting bored. It was also made 2 decades ago, so it's obviously not the peak of entertainment in terms of modern mechanics/design. You've clearly squeezed all the fun you can get out of it so I wouldn't even suggest wasting your time with it. I myself am taking it very slow for that exact reason. I've wanted it for years and now I'm going entire days without logging in instead of spending every free moment online.

I can shave some time off your depressing bucket list of spending two whole weeks playing FF games though. FF13-2, FF13-3 and FF15 are a total waste of time and money. They are so awful it shouldn't have been legal to sell them, especially 13-3 and 15. So I wouldn't worry about completing them. Ironically, FFXI is a superior MMORPG compared to EQ in pretty much every way, even it's slightly better but still ridiculously bad UI. EQ has it's own charm with it's style and design of course, but if your life goal is to beat all FF games then you should check out the FFXI emu which is basically the same thing as P99.

[Spacebar]

It seems a lot of people arguing against splitting the server in two for some period of time keep pointing to the population stagnating or somewhat dropping off after the weekend.

Honestly, I think this has more to do with the fact that people will try to LFG for 2+ hours and maybe be able to solo 1 blue con every 15 minutes while they wait. For most people it isn't realistic to even try to play in this state.

I know seeing 2k + online means there's not reason for me to even log on and I'm sure others feel the same way. I bet 2 servers would easily maintain 1.5k prime time for a long time. If a merge ever happened the excess server could be used for the potential brown/pink/purple or whatever new red server is being considered.

Classic + Kunark might have enough low-mid range content to support a population like this, but Classic by itself does not.

[Muggens]

If you play EQ in any format so much that you don't even play other games then... yeah... no shit it's not fun anymore. Only a lunatic could do the same thing forever without getting bored. It was also made 2 decades ago, so it's obviously not the peak of entertainment in terms of modern mechanics/design. You've clearly squeezed all the fun you can get out of it so I wouldn't even suggest wasting your time with it. I myself am taking it very slow for that exact reason. I've wanted it for years and now I'm going entire days without logging in instead of spending every free moment online.

I can shave some time off your depressing bucket list of spending two whole weeks playing FF games though. FF13-2, FF13-3 and FF15 are a total waste of time and money. They are so awful it shouldn't have been legal to sell them, especially 13-3 and 15. So I wouldn't worry about completing them. Ironically, FFXI is a superior MMORPG compared to EQ in pretty much every way, even it's slightly better but still ridiculously bad UI. EQ has it's own charm with it's style and design of course, but if your life goal is to beat all FF games then you should check out the FFXI emu which is basically the same thing as P99.

I'll save u some more time. FF 1,2,3,8,10,12,13 etc are crap.
4, 6 and 7 are gold, 9 is ok

[cd288]

It seems a lot of people arguing against splitting the server in two for some period of time keep pointing to the population stagnating or somewhat dropping off after the weekend.

Honestly, I think this has more to do with the fact that people will try to LFG for 2+ hours and maybe be able to solo 1 blue con every 15 minutes while they wait. For most people it isn't realistic to even try to play in this state.

I know seeing 2k + online means there's not reason for me to even log on and I'm sure others feel the same way. I bet 2 servers would easily maintain 1.5k prime time for a long time. If a merge ever happened the excess server could be used for the potential brown/pink/purple or whatever new red server is being considered.

Classic + Kunark might have enough low-mid range content to support a population like this, but Classic by itself does not.

Not sure where you’re seeing LFGing for 2+ hours and only killing one blue every 15 minutes. It was tough on launch day for levels like 1-3, but overall it’s not bad anymore. I can find groups with relative ease and have had zero issues finding spawns. Spent a couple hours in N Ro earlier this evening pretty much constantly killing except for med breaks and there were multiple groups going periodically looking for more people.

The overcrowding issue is severely overstated and hasn’t been an issue since Saturday.

[jakeojohnson]

Sometimes a game isnt for some people. A lot of the population has seemed to drop off

[Cyph]

So many good posts here, OP & recently acoordinator. For many of us it's not the same game; we've grown and changed as individuals. Our circumstances are different, from when EQ originally launched but also then when P99 started. Some of us wanted Green, we saw it through our rose tinted glasses, but it's not what we thought (either what we expected or what we actually wanted).

I've dabbled in Green; seeing all the lightsources floating around at night due to people with fire beetle eyes, asking if anyone has seen their corpse, all the DING announcements, it's great. But waiting for a single gnoll to spawn, or trying to find a group, then wondering if time could be better spent elsewhere, well, it is what it is. EQ has been around for a long time, and many of us have played it for a long time. I feel it's completely normal to be bored with it. Take a break. Or try Blue again. Or be grateful that you have a wonderful life filled with family, friends, work and pets; those are the biggest rewards.

[Lordess]

I’ve played on every TLP to date and leveled an enchanter to 53 on Blue. I can say Green has been the closest experience to classic I have encountered and I’m having a blast. I didn’t start trying to play until late Monday and I started on Odus. I had no trouble finding mobs, met some cool people, got to level 5, and now I’m planning on heading to Qeynos. I’m sorry you feel like you’ve lost interest in the game but we all outgrow certain things, but I wouldn’t blame it on the server.

[ScottBerta]

EQ is a time sink and we all know that. I could be doing better things with my time but I also could be doing worse things. I know I’m not saying much but whenever I really think about all the time I have spent on EQ it is kind of sad but that’s life I suppose. At some point I will walk away from EQ again but I’m not ready quite yet.

[Jimjam]

I think Tecmos made a point in another thread also about this. Either there were a lot of really bad players back in the day or we have a lot of really new people playing on the server. It's amazing some of the shit you see

I was in a group at n ro in young puma. There was a dwarf cleric too, gobbling up all the skins; ruined, lq, mq, hq: the lot!

I asked him if i could have some of the ruined skins on nbg so i could complete my tattered armour set. He was confused by what nbg meant, but after it was explained he said he nbg them for his tailoring. I was like fine, how about you do the combine and i'll provide the pattern. He seemed cool with this deal.

On the offhand i wanted to check how his skill compared to mine; i was at about 19 tailoring at this point. He had 4! So i suggested when he hit 5 he visit the fp cleric guild he could train to 15 so he wouldn't destroy so many pelts and get more gold out of his combines. I got a big 'naaah' from that.

Anyway, i told him we had to share, he agreed and looted the next 4 pelts. I asked him what was going on and he explained we were only sharing the ruined pelts. I just lolled as the wizard in group had passed me a couple of ruined pelts and i had completed my last couple of combines and just told that dwarf to take as many of the pelts he needed.

Honestly I think people jumping on blue late may be part of the problem. People always kinda handed you stuff and you were usually overpowered for what you were trying to do. This patchwork tarnished weapons stuff actually makes you need to use your brain a little.

What amazes me is people still using rusty (not even tarnished!) after level 3 when you can 100% afford at least the mighty Axe if not Bastard Sword!

[Deathrydar]

Honestly I think people jumping on blue late may be part of the problem. People always kinda handed you stuff and you were usually overpowered for what you were trying to do. This patchwork tarnished weapons stuff actually makes you need to use your brain a little.

[eqgmrdbz]

Sucks that Everquest doesn't do it for you anymore, I have taken months off from the game and comeback to playing, it never goes away at least for me. This 1st week of Green has been a blast, it was everything I dreamed and more, over 2600 players running around, when are you ever going to witness that chaos ever again.

[Aetherial]

Blue launched with 106 players online....
Green launched with over 2000 online...

Totally different monsters. I hear what you're saying but all of the stuff you are talking about will come back to ya, it's just the insane population that is making you stray off course presently, and it is a fear of mine that we are losing many a good player due to the over population problem.

It is a valid concern.

I think more people should simply be doing something else. I have tried green for a couple 45 min or so sessions. It was unplayable. There is no point burning myself out with frustration. I will keep checking back periodically, until the game is playable and enjoyable again.

Until then, I'll just continue to level up my druid on Blue and accrue wife aggro.

[Aetherial]

I think Tecmos made a point in another thread also about this. Either there were a lot of really bad players back in the day or we have a lot of really new people playing on the server. It's amazing some of the shit you see


About a month ago, I started leveling a druid on Blue. I noticed the exact same thing. Some people I was grouped with were ridiculously bad. Rangers who would not snare or spot heal or anything with their mana; monks who refused to plan and wait for a good harmony pull, and instead pulled entire rooms, people ninja-AFK and all sorts of other stupid stuff.

My theory is that we have a lot of players who have become lazy because they are used to playing twinked out characters on Blue. The consequences of bad play are not as evident and even if we wipe, we all know where the best easy EXP is to make it up.

They probably aren't new, they probably aren't bad players. They are lazy players.

[Deathrydar]

My theory is that we have a lot of players who have become lazy because they are used to playing twinked out characters on Blue.

They probably aren't new, they probably aren't bad players. They are lazy players.

[lowner411]

I don't think anything in EQ or another game can replace the wonder a MUD player like me had when he discovered a world with graphics. I remember the rush I had when my dwarf pally first logged in, figured out what to do, got out of the city, and looked up at that broad green hill, wondering what was on the other side. (My death, of course.) Numerous checks on Allakazam to figure out what everything was. Even newer games don't offer that same rush, because for me, EQ was the first. So … nothing can be original EQ, and that's fine with me.

[pharmakos]

I can shave some time off your depressing bucket list of spending two whole weeks playing FF games though. FF13-2, FF13-3 and FF15 are a total waste of time and money. They are so awful it shouldn't have been legal to sell them, especially 13-3 and 15. So I wouldn't worry about completing them. Ironically, FFXI is a superior MMORPG compared to EQ in pretty much every way, even it's slightly better but still ridiculously bad UI. EQ has it's own charm with it's style and design of course, but if your life goal is to beat all FF games then you should check out the FFXI emu which is basically the same thing as P99.

I'll save u some more time. FF 1,2,3,8,10,12,13 etc are crap.
4, 6 and 7 are gold, 9 is ok

FF13-2,-3 probably won't get played, I'm mainly talking about the main line.

FF15... Ugh. I hate that the game is basically incomplete without the movie / the anime / the DLC / the expansion. FF games should be works of art that stand alone, not assembled from disparate pieces arranged in a way so as to maximize corporate profit.... and what happens someday when the servers that sell the DLC go down? No one will be able to get the complete game.

Nevertheless, I ended up buying the entire package once sale prices got low enough that I didn't feel guilty contributing to that style of consumerism.... That was a few weeks ago. I'm on chapter two now, it hasn't hooked me yet.... But it seems like an okay game as long as you're okay with completely un-FF combat.

FFXI... Never played it back in the day, played the emu and literally could not figure out how to play. The UI is incredibly clunky, and there are no good guides for it on the internet anymore.

As for Muggens' assertion that most of the main FF games suck...

FF 1 -- depending on which version you play, it's a very solid classic style RPG. The NES version can end up dragging due to the slow and difficult combat, but in the later versions combat can end up too quick and easy. The sweet spot in the PSX version. It retains the NES spell system and difficulty, but with updated graphics and added FMVs, as well as much needed polish and bug fixes.

FF2 -- the character progression system is ehhhhh.mm but the story is actually pretty incredible and ambitious for the time. Again, the NES is too difficult and the later versions too easy, with the sweet spot being either the PSX or GBA versions depending on how pure you want various game systems to be.

FF3 -- the NES version is better than most NES RPGs, due to it coming late in the console's lifecycle. This FF has no 16 bit remake like FF1 and 2 do, which is unfortunate because it would have probably been the best version. The 3D remakes are great tho, and there are merits to both it and the NES version depending on how retro your mood is

FF4 -- we agree it's good. The original Super Famicom ROM patched with the updated English translation is the best 2D version, followed by the PSP if you don't mind decreased difficulty. The 3D version is great too.

FF5 you didn't comment on, but man, it's the BEST

FF6 and 7 are great of course

FF8 has horrible character progression and combat, especially so if you are the min/max type. But the story and setting are pretty cool, if confusing. Worth a play through with cheats so you can experience the story.

FF9 is great, the best 3D one

FF10 and 12 are also great tho and you should be ashamed of yourself for disliking them. FF12's ending leaves a lot to be desired tho.

FF13 I have not yet played at all, so idk.

[greatdane]

Right now it's pretty fun, but I do think shit's gonna truly hit the fan when the regular players hit the upper levels and hundreds upon hundreds of people have to make do with two endgame dungeons and a dozen or so worthwhile solo camps.

[Deathrydar]

Right now it's pretty fun, but I do think shit's gonna truly hit the fan when the regular players hit the upper levels and hundreds upon hundreds of people have to make do with two endgame dungeons and a dozen or so worthwhile solo camps.

I said this the other day and people said I was wrong. This is when it will get bad.

[douglas1999]

Yeah but I mean, p99 blue flourished and grew to huge success, and it had WAY LONGER windows within each expansion. Never underestimate the nerd lust for pixels.

[larsbars]

I have a few friends who are casual (myself included). I can sense that the overpopulation is an issue for them. I think they chalked it up to being launch day/week but if it doesn't simmer down I fear all its gonna take is 4-6 hours per level at lvl 6 due to lack of mobs and they'll quit forever. In the end we might just have blue and green with basically the same population as blue was. We should re-do the server split vote and make every effort for people to understand they will be re-merged.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

I said this the other day and people said I was wrong. This is when it will get bad.

Like i said yesterday:The people who voted "NO" on the "Server Split" were the upper-half of the population well ahead of the curve.

The server is gonna be unplayable for 90% of people in a month or so. We're gonna have literally 2000+ players in the level 40-50 range and, MAYBE, two dozen level-appropriate experience camps (and that doesn't even account for the speedrunners who are gonna be solo and duoing many of these camps for item drops)

[douglas1999]

Like i said yesterday:The people who voted "NO" on the "Server Split" were the upper-half of the population well ahead of the curve.

The server is gonna be unplayable for 90% of people in a month or so. We're gonna have literally 2000+ players in the level 40-50 range and, MAYBE, two dozen level-appropriate experience camps (and that doesn't even account for the speedrunners who are gonna be solo and duoing many of these camps for item drops)

If the ratio is really that dire, then obviously the vote is going to always swing toward no split. It's literally only been live five days, give it a month or so sheesh.

I honestly was expecting level 50s by monday and there still aren't any 30's I'm aware of. It's not as bad as you think.

[Deathrydar]

If the ratio is really that dire, then obviously the vote is going to always swing toward no split. It's literally only been live five days, give it a month or so sheesh.

not sure I see the logic here. The longer we wait, the worse it will be.

[douglas1999]

not sure I see the logic here. The longer we wait, the worse it will be.

For whom exactly? I mean, I'm level 10 and I play maybe 3 hours a day and I didn't have any special knowledge or obscure spawns to camp. I'd be more in favor of just upping the spawn rate even more than it already is in newbie zones than splitting the server. I understand it's only intended to be temporary, but it also flirts with instancing which I am super against.

[Deathrydar]

For whom exactly? I mean, I'm level 10 and I play maybe 3 hours a day and I didn't have any special knowledge or obscure spawns to camp. I'd be more in favor of just upping the spawn rate even more than it already is in newbie zones than splitting the server. I understand it's only intended to be temporary, but it also flirts with instancing which I am super against.

And upping the spawns can be exploited majorly and is a horrible idea. Which is why they are being so stingy about the spawn rates.

[greatdane]

Yeah but I mean, p99 blue flourished and grew to huge success, and it had WAY LONGER windows within each expansion. Never underestimate the nerd lust for pixels.

P99 started with like 100 players and grew gradually over time. It didn't have 1k players arriving at the endgame at the same time.

[Deathrydar]

P99 started with like 100 players and grew gradually over time. It didn't have 1k players arriving at the endgame at the same time.

Maybe someone will read this and let it soak in cause I have said it a dozen times on these boards and no one seems to understand that.

[douglas1999]

Maybe someone will read this and let it soak in cause I have said it a dozen times on these boards and no one seems to understand that.

So, instancing then? I really do understand the concern here but I just don't see any good solution. Yes when p99 launched it only had about 100 players. But when p99 kunark launched it was well over 1000 and there was no talk of a split. There will always be a stratification of the playerbase, I just don't see a glaring issue if I can play as casually as I do and not really feel any anxiety about the rate of progression for other people.

[Deathrydar]

So, instancing then? I really do understand the concern here but I just don't see any good solution. Yes when p99 launched it only had about 100 players. But when p99 kunark launched it was well over 1000 and there was no talk of a split.

Because there was another entire continent for everyone to play on and a slew of new dungeons. Not to mention there is a huge difference between 1000 players and 2,300.

This is not rocket science.

[Jimjam]

P99 started with like 100 players and grew gradually over time. It didn't have 1k players arriving at the endgame at the same time.

Ironic, blue started with 100s of players and peaked at 2k. Greens gonna start with 2k and end up with 100s?

[douglas1999]

Because there was another entire continent for everyone to play on and a slew of new dungeons. Not to mention there is a huge difference between 1000 players and 2,300.

This is not rocket science.

Right, the population is large, thus they increased spawn rates. I think they should increase them more in starting zones. I do not think they should start a whole separate server. Think about how that plays out; a second server launches, the playerbase establishes itself with it's own identity and it's own raiding hierarchy, then just kinda gets smashed back into green proper. Seems like a CSR nightmare. Alternatively given that this server has literally not even been live for one week yet, it will find a natural equilibrium?

[Deathrydar]

Right, the population is large, thus they increased spawn rates. I think they should increase them more in starting zones. I do not think they should start a whole separate server. Think about how that plays out; a second server launches, the playerbase establishes itself with it's own identity and it's own raiding hierarchy, then just kinda gets smashed back into green proper. Seems like a CSR nightmare. Alternatively given that this server has literally not even been live for one week yet, it will find a natural equilibrium?

It won't get to the point of raiding...lol....wow. I can see you're clueless!

[pharmakos]

Did they do the server split vote in game? Because there is going to be inherent bias in the response then -- players who want a split so bad that they logged off didn't vote then...

[pharmakos]

It won't get to the point of raiding...lol....wow. I can see you're clueless!

How long would it take do you think?

[Lulz Sect]

i like EQ the most when:

i can do it casually on my secondary laptop while doing other tasks on my primary laptop

OR

crawling a dungeon with a good group

[cd288]

Maybe someone will read this and let it soak in cause I have said it a dozen times on these boards and no one seems to understand that.

We understand, most of us just don’t care and have no issue with the current state of the server. Past level 3/4, it’s very easy to find groups and extremely easy to find mobs to kill. The population isn’t causing an issue.

[pharmakos]

i like EQ the most when:

i can do it casually on my secondary laptop while doing other tasks on my primary laptop

OR

crawling a dungeon with a good group

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