Not everyone will get a list item

[Baler]

I've talked to several higher level players because I'm a bit ahead of the level curve and nearly all of them have convinced themselves that they will get a list item.

These people actually believe they're gurneteed a list item. :rolleyes:

The lies we tell ourselves to give meaning to dreams.
It will be very sad when they come crashing into reality.

I look forward to the rants and flames about list items and how not everyone got what they wanted.

[Tecmos Deception]

Meh.

[Cen]

I only want a guise. I'm a ranger, who will be way behind the level curve since thats the game design.. but shit if I wont fight tooth and nail for it.

[Baler]

Someone rated this thread 1 star.
*leans forwards and whispers*
They won't be getting a list item

The Truth Will Set You Free
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/denial

This thread is an insight on the reality of the situation.
Comes to terms with the fact of the matter.

[Tethler]

It's like 6 months or something for those items right?

[Baler]

It's like 6 months or something for those items right?
aprox? yes? :confused:


Kunark release is November 6th, 2020 ,(velious july 2nd, 2021)
Q: Baler how do you know when kunark will be releases?
A: I watched the green trailer.

[Lhord99]

Gonna abridge a post I read on this subject in April, which took 6th grade math to sort out.
From Bubbb:
There’s 1440 minutes a day.
That means roughly 51 assassin/PH spawns a day.
Let’s say Named spawn rate is 25% - that’s 13 Assassin spawns a day.
75% drop rate on common item? 10 Guises a day (9.6 using these numbers).

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think there’s 5 months of Guise?

10 guises a day for 5 months?
Roughly 1500 guises. Plus or minus even a few hundred puts it at just shy of 2000 TOPS, by the previous calculation.

2600 players during surge hours means there’s someone who wants it more, who will take days off work, who will put family 3rd, who will get it for their 3rd or 4th alt.

[Gunnie]

What will drop first? A new expansion, a new UI, or your item on the list??

[jolanar]

It's better to play without expectation of getting one. If getting a guise is your sole reason for playing green you are probably just going to be disappointed.

That being said, I'll be super sad if I don't get one.

[Wwen42]

I'd really like to get some Rubicite for my ranger, more for nostalgia (and looking cool) than anything, but I'm not to worried about the final outcome.

[LiQuid]

Everyone may not get one, but I'm getting one and that's all that matters to me

[solleks]

I'm not getting one and I'm ok with that

[Baler]

Everyone may not get one, but I'm getting one and that's all that matters to me

Keep telling yourself that.

https://i.imgur.com/KZKa479.jpg

[AegnorP99]

It's objectively true that not everyone will get a guise, but I really think the forum population over-estimates how many people actually want one. How many of the 2,600 people mentioned are even going to hit level 35 before these items are removed, much less be willing to sit on a list for 24 hours twiddling their thumbs? I'd guess way less than half. If you're already ahead of the curve leveling and really want to get one, I suspect you'll be fine.

[Tzug]

It's objectively true that not everyone will get a guise, but I really think the forum population over-estimates how many people actually want one. How many of the 2,600 people mentioned are even going to hit level 35 before these items are removed, much less be willing to sit on a list for 24 hours twiddling their thumbs? I'd guess way less than half. If you're already ahead of the curve leveling and really want to get one, I suspect you'll be fine.

I'm admittedly only dabbling in Green, but I have no interest in one. Not sure how representative I am though.

[Wwen42]

I suspect that someone here just wants to be contrary, 20 years later. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

[Lhord99]

I just think that betwixt Guise, Manastone, Rubicite AND just needing to gear up to stay strong and relevant (you need to be 35 to even /list right?), the hungriest racers and farmers are seeing daily hemorrhages of missed spawns and missed opportunities, not only for their mains but their alts as well. Going on day 5 of no Guise means already -50 of a total of 1500-1800 guises possible on a 24/7 farm op.

Let’s say that even the gnarliest farmers want 2 or 3 “legacy items,” that’s a whole lotta poop in the community pool, eh?

I don’t want to be pessimistic. I wasn’t there for the honeymoon on Blue, but I think we all know where this ship is sailing...

[senna]

You think you want legacy items but you dont:D:D

[Legidias]

If guise drop rate is anything like mask drop on P99, it took me 28 hours total camping there over like 3-4 days to find 1 mask.

[Wwen42]

I can't really relate to people that wanna get hardcore in this time capsule. But whatever, not worrying about what others are doing saves me a lot of stress. If you're having fun, poopsock away.

[silo32]

I got my legacy items on blue 99 and red 99 why won't I get them on green 99? the list function seems even easier now than before in my time..

yall trying to stir the pot

[Baler]

I got my legacy items on blue 99 and red 99 why won't I get them on green 99? the list function seems even easier now than before in my time..

yall trying to stir the pot

You have been slain.
LOADING PLEASE WAIT....
You have 10 minutes to get back in range of the list camp.

[Wwen42]

If someone is dedicated enough, they'll get it. Moist people won't camp that long or have the BURNING DESIRE required. I have other responsibilities. One cool thing about EQ is that some stuff IS special and not everyone has it.

[Meiva]

I think it is grossly over estimated the number of players who give two shits about having a guise or manastone. There should be plenty for your 3rd and 4th chars.

I'd take a manastone just to sell it down the road. They dont make the game more fun, and I wont sink too much time in attempting to acquire one.

I totally get those of you vocal min/maxers or artifact collectors. You feel rewarded seeking these items. Most of us play differently from you.

[Teppler]

That mana stone camp is going to be wild. It's going to be like Drusella post Chardok x10. Wait till you have these guys obsessively leveling up to get it first and a lot of them will get "trained" mysteriously at camp after they wait 12 hours to get it. And you might get staff help with the situation and you might not. You'll roll the dice.

My guess is staff will need a GM camping out the mana stone camp as well or there's going to be a lot of hurt feelings.

[Lhord99]

I'm actually using some of this anecdotal information in my "Introduction to Psychology" unit in AP Psychology and AP Literature. We each have "personal interest" foci, and this, of course, is mine. My students focus on, of course, MineCraft, new vaping laws, etc.

18-year-olds find our pixel obsession absolutely fascinating. Especially under the fact that this is a free-to-play (optional to donate), illegal to download, simulated environment.

Lets hope in 3 years that some of them will be out in the field ready to service (y)our therapeutic needs. Everyone is effing nuts, at the end of the day. One man's impeachment obsession, is another man's fear of immigration, is another man's ManaGuise.

[Wwen42]

It's bugs me that people use the term "pixels" in this context. 1s and 0s is more accurate. All the 3d stuff is made from polygons. The items in slot are represented by sprites that are made up of pixels, but I wouldn't describe it that way. This community seems to like using "pixels." I don't know why this brings out my inner pedant. I have a problem... Just don't tell me how you pronounce gif.

[Baler]

It's bugs me that people use the term "pixels" in this context. 1s and 0s is more accurate. All the 3d stuff is made from polygons. The items in slot are represented by sprites that are made up of pixels, but I wouldn't describe it that way. This community seems to like using "pixels." I don't know why this brings out my inner pedant. I have a problem... Just don't tell me how you pronounce gif.

Bruh, pixel lust be real.

[Lhord99]

It's bugs me that people use the term "pixels" in this context. 1s and 0s is more accurate. All the 3d stuff is made from polygons. The items in slot are represented by sprites that are made up of pixels, but I wouldn't describe it that way. This community seems to like using "pixels." I don't know why this brings out my inner pedant. I have a problem... Just don't tell me how you pronounce gif.

I'm under the assumption that 'pixel' refers more to the pixels factored into screen resolution, not in the act of coding. Isn't that more accurate?

I'm not a software/hardware guy.

[Teppler]

I'm actually using some of this anecdotal information in my "Introduction to Psychology" unit in AP Psychology and AP Literature. We each have "personal interest" foci, and this, of course, is mine. My students focus on, of course, MineCraft, new vaping laws, etc.

18-year-olds find our pixel obsession absolutely fascinating. Especially under the fact that this is a free-to-play (optional to donate), illegal to download, simulated environment.

Lets hope in 3 years that some of them will be out in the field ready to service (y)our therapeutic needs. Everyone is effing nuts, at the end of the day. One man's impeachment obsession, is another man's fear of immigration, is another man's ManaGuise.

Try taking an anthropology class. Everyone's behavior is equally ridiculous. Take the behavior of going out to the pub. You're paying money to be in a room that's too loud, smells bad in and too cramped a lot of cases and you're overpaying to poison yourself and destroy your health. Is that really more sane than freaking out about pixel world?

[Baler]

Try taking an anthropology class. Everyone's behavior is equally ridiculous. Take the behavior of going out to the pub. You're paying money to be in a room that's too loud, smells bad in and too cramped a lot of cases and you're overpaying to poison yourself and destroy your health. Is that really more sane than freaking out about pixel world?

This is why I choose to poison myself at home and get high off pixels.

The dopamine production via the thought of getting a list item,
is more than the dopamine if you actually get it.

This is why gambling can become an addiction.

[Wwen42]

No, you are correct. I just think 1s and 0s is more accurate. Just had to get it off my chest. I feel much better now. XD

[Baler]

No, you are correct. I just think 1s and 0s is more accurate. Just had to get it off my chest. I feel much better now. XD

It's a p99 slogan. Similar to "shit's classic" and "Pras"
"Pixels" is a bit less p99 as I've heard it used on wow.
I guess it's an mmo term.

/shrug

[Wwen42]

Try taking an anthropology class. Everyone's behavior is equally ridiculous. Take the behavior of going out to the pub. You're paying money to be in a room that's too loud, smells bad in and too cramped a lot of cases and you're overpaying to poison yourself and destroy your health. Is that really more sane than freaking out about pixel world?

I've done both and it depends on the company one keeps.

[senna]

Yea going out to the pub is a social endeavor for most people. We are a social creature and crave interaction with other humans. I wouldn't call it ridiculous at all.

[Lhord99]

Yea going out to the pub is a social endeavor for most people. We are a social creature and crave interaction with other humans. I wouldn't call it ridiculous at all.

Jerry Seinfeld has a hilarious bit on this, about how we really can't stand our friends... They always want to go to the worst restaurants, have the most banal conversation, and yet "These are the people we choose to be with" [Seinfeld voice].

Sage-like magicianism.

[Danger]

the day they take guises out of green i'll make a nice pot of coffee, put on fuzzy slippers, find a cozy spot on my couch, and just become intoxicated by the forumquest

https://i.imgur.com/j8T1kGz.png

[senna]

anyone whos had a guise knows that shit gets perma clicked the first day, 10 times the next day, 5 times the day after that, then rots in a bag for the rest of eternity cuz nobody has the time to click that shit.

Doesnt help you ended up as the retarded DE with the mustache.

[Erati]

anyone whos had a guise knows that shit gets perma clicked the first day, 10 times the next day, 5 times the day after that, then rots in a bag for the rest of eternity cuz nobody has the time to click that shit.

Doesnt help you ended up as the retarded DE with the mustache.

This is actually totally false.

The first thing I still click each login is Guise. Never gets old tbh.

[DromalPhrenia]

I expect Guises won’t be that bad. Not everyone wants one, enchanters don’t need it, rogues and bards can just wait, and they can’t be sold.

Manastones are tradeable, so people will be happy to /list even if that character won’t use it, want it for a future alt. Or to sell when it no longer drops. There’s a lot more greed involved, and the drop rate is awful. It’s like 8% drop on a rare spawn. It sucks ass.

So I might, maybe, get a guise. Not obsessed with it. But it seems more likely than a manastone for sure

[senna]

For you it doesnt

[bubur]

tru not everyone will get a guise rubi bp and manastone

not like me tho, ill get them all :o

[Lordgordon]

Calling your own posts insight. Yikes

[Nirgon]

If someone is dedicated enough, they'll get it. Moist people won't camp that long or have the BURNING DESIRE required. I have other responsibilities. One cool thing about EQ is that some stuff IS special and not everyone has it.

It's over for moisties

[cd288]

I've talked to several higher level players because I'm a bit ahead of the level curve and nearly all of them have convinced themselves that they will get a list item.

These people actually believe they're gurneteed a list item. :rolleyes:

The lies we tell ourselves to give meaning to dreams.
It will be very sad when they come crashing into reality.

I look forward to the rants and flames about list items and how not everyone got what they wanted.

Cool story Hansel

[cd288]

Calling your own posts insight. Yikes

Wish I could upvote comments on here lol

[whitebandit]

tru not everyone will get a guise rubi bp and manastone

not like me tho, ill get them all :o


*leans forwards and whispers*
They won't be getting a list item

[uygi]

The /list items are pretty common drops TBH. You may have to poop in a sock, but if you're willing To pay the social/emotional/physiological price, you can get one. Maybe it takes an extra day off work and a lot of caffeine, but anybody willing to do that can get one. You don’t need a big guild, nobody can hand off the camp, you don’t need to track for 96 hours and then batphone your guild and hope they all show up before the other motherfuckers track it and wake up and train you. It’s not that hard, it’s just a measure of who’s willing to sacrifice more of their life for it.

[Raclen]

You fools don't have the skill it takes to click an afk check 12 times an hour for 12 hours!!! MUAHAHAHAHA

[White_knight]

Lists wont help most normal players.

Most of us wont beat those 12 hr a day players l, some of whom will get 2-3 masks etc.

Like the calcs said maybe 10 masks drop AT best in a day. A list is 25 persons long...15 people wont be getting that mask if they all stay there 24 hrs straight.

[Gustoo]

Let's just remove these items before they get dropped like classic.

[Cen]

Lists wont help most normal players.

Most of us wont beat those 12 hr a day players l, some of whom will get 2-3 masks etc.

Like the calcs said maybe 10 masks drop AT best in a day. A list is 25 persons long...15 people wont be getting that mask if they all stay there 24 hrs straight.

At best, a mask can drop every 28 minutes for the whole day. Thats 25.

11-12 is the daily average.

The stand to gain on a 50 50 bet that one day of the whole timeline will have a single day with 25 masks is a unfavorable.

[FatherSioux]

Oh look Baler is being a downer, shocker. Anyone who wants to put the time in will get a Guise, the scarcity on this item is being fabricated.

[Baler]

Oh look Baler is being a downer, shocker. Anyone who wants to put the time in will get a Guise, the scarcity on this item is being fabricated.

I promise you Sioux.. wait.. Sioux that name sounds familiar
I msged you in green~!!
I told you your name sounded familiar! :D

I promise i'm not trying to be negative. Just realistic brother.

too many damn I I I I

[Danger]

there will be 700-1500 guises on green, 1k+ people won't get them, a % of that 1k will rage quit the day guises get pulled out of the loot tables

[alarius]

In other news:

"Not everyone will get an epic"

"Not everyone will reach level cap"

"Not everyone will get warder loot"

Insightful stuff.

[Raclen]

I think nerds on here over estimate how many people care about looking like a DE. You are spending the time to do the math on how many people play and how many masks drop per day. Then you leave out the fact that no one that is playing a DE/bard/rogue will care. In addition some people just don't care anyways. I would only care if I was playing a troll/ogre/barbarian personally.

[Jimjam]

I'm surely getting a guise on my bard for linking purposes. Especially if i can get in front front of some of those toxic blue 'denying people pixels' crowd. /s

[Vrez ZVyx]

LOL, people going to put their lives on hold to get pixels.

[saftbudet]

I still dunno how list works, can someone post screenshots how to add yourself / use list and or a link to where it is explained?

What happens if you ignore list and loot 2 items?

[Lhord99]

Gonna abridge a post I read on this subject in April, which took 6th grade math to sort out.
From Bubbb:
There’s 1440 minutes a day.
That means roughly 51 assassin/PH spawns a day.
Let’s say Named spawn rate is 25% - that’s 13 Assassin spawns a day.
75% drop rate on common item? 10 Guises a day (9.6 using these numbers).

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think there’s 5 months of Guise?

10 guises a day for 5 months?
Roughly 1500 guises. Plus or minus even a few hundred puts it at just shy of 2000 TOPS, by the previous calculation.

2600 players during surge hours means there’s someone who wants it more, who will take days off work, who will put family 3rd, who will get it for their 3rd or 4th alt.

Cringey self quote cringe, but apply this to these 30 hour manastone camps.

[Almond]

Cringey self quote cringe, but apply this to these 30 hour manastone camps.

My rough estimates sitting at the EE camp for 2 days.

Same math as above roughly 51 spawns a day - maybe 1-2 less if you factor in kill time.

lets say 50 for easy math. EE seems to spawn fairly often but not quite 50/50 feels closer to 40% lets say 20 Evil Eyes a day.

Manastone drop rate I'm going to guess is 10%. This gives us 2 a day on average... factor in variance you are left up wards of 1-2 days with no drops and up to 4 drops in a single day when lucky.

6 months x 30 days x 2 per day average = 360 stones total.

[TheRusty]

I'm running an enchanter. I don't need Manastone or guise. Jboots would be nice but not essential. I have the thex dagger because, eh, it took 20 minutes and why not. Rubi BP would be nice for twinking, but pretty sure it'll be gone before I'm of a level to camp the Avatar.

But I want those boxes of abu'kar. Which is of course not listed.

So all around a big meh.

[AegnorP99]

Guises should still be no problem. They're far less useful than manastones, they're no drop, and they drop 10x as often. If you aren't *super* casual and can hit 35 in the next few months, you should be able to acquire one pretty easily.

[Kron]

Got Manastone on 36 Monk just FD at camp waited my turn to loot item.

Would go for Guise with same technique if it was not a No drop.

[bigjeff100]

Cringey self quote cringe, but apply this to these 30 hour manastone camps.

It blows my mind dude... It absolutely blows my mind.. People are that committed to an item in a game that turns your health into mana.... Think about that man.. Holy fuck.. Days spent- For an item that takes part of a red bar, and adds to the blue bar..

[Jimjam]

It blows my mind dude... It absolutely blows my mind.. People are that committed to an item in a game that turns your health into mana.... Think about that man.. Holy fuck.. Days spent- For an item that takes part of a red bar, and adds to the blue bar..

In a way to gain this mana increasing item in game you gotta sacrifice your health irl too.

[Bristlebaner]

This is actually totally false.

The first thing I still click each login is Guise. Never gets old tbh.

It’s only to flex dat epeen.

[baakss]

Got Manastone on 36 Monk just FD at camp waited my turn to loot item.

Would go for Guise with same technique if it was not a No drop.

What does guise being no drop change?

[Albane]

All of the poopsocks will have their mana stones in the first month. This gives normal people months to go back and grab one with a normal camp.

On Red99, I got 2 mana stones just because I was passing through the area at the right time and he was up. I gave them both away to guildmates with worse luck.

[Aaramis]

Real life commitments seem to have an inverse relationship with P99 Green.
The second it went live, life has decided play time is minimal.

As such, I've given up on trying for list items.
Must say, playing EQ with no built-in stress due to timers makes the experience far more enjoyable.

Although sad I won't get a Rubi bp.

[Aveenia]

I want a guise purely for RP reasons. I have always insisted I am a Dark Elf Druid, (who else will see to the care of Nektulos?) and since it's impossible for my Blue druid to get one I am starting over and working to get one on my new druid. I am still very tiny, but I have a dream! I have camped one successfully on a couple "official' prog servers and I am determined. I have Deathwish coffee, and am a housewife who is very bad at her job. I'm also an artist but I can take a sabbatical since the list camp isn't likely to hit my busy season.

I should also probably try for a manastone, but priorities... you know?

[Videri]

I want a guise purely for RP reasons. I have always insisted I am a Dark Elf Druid, (who else will see to the care of Nektulos?) and since it's impossible for my Blue druid to get one I am starting over and working to get one on my new druid. I am still very tiny, but I have a dream! I have camped one successfully on a couple "official' prog servers and I am determined. I have Deathwish coffee, and am a housewife who is very bad at her job. I'm also an artist but I can take a sabbatical since the list camp isn't likely to hit my busy season.

I should also probably try for a manastone, but priorities... you know?

Haha, nice. I have heard the Guise list isn't as soul-crushing as the manastone list, too. I think you may have a good chance, provided you are able to reach 35 soon enough. Good luck.