Mages are up shit’s creek I guess

[cd288]

This thread makes me so happy. 50 pages of whining about research.

I'm playing a necro in a group with two mages. We are carrying them because we know they will get their pet spells as we churn content. Make friends, group. Profit.

Research is a seriously classic experience, embrace it.


Some ways to level research:
Train it.

Thats it. Your research spells become trivial about 2 character levels above the spell level itself. So character level 26 to trivial train research to trivial for level 24 spells. Rough estimate.

How can mages be effective with a pet 10 levels lower than themselves? Fire pet with damage shield. Nukes. Summoning sword of runes for pets that will currently proc on everything.

While mages are busy crying about their pets, shed a tear for the ungeared warriors, the unwanted wizards, or the necromancers who seem to be both undesired in groups AND have to research their pet spells.

And while you are crying those tears of self pity, fill your mind with thoughts of the true gods of classic: the enchanters, who have most of their toolkit without research, and who get pet spells from a vendor from lvl 1-50 whose only drawback is a lack of commands. Think of the enchanter, and you will finally have something to cry about.

Now go outside.

Enchanters are definitely super powerful, but idk if I would say they have most of their toolkit without research. They definitely get a ton of spells without research, but their slows, mem blurs, and aoe stuns past level 12 all require research, as does their pre-Kunark aoe mez. These are big ones for an Enchanter in a group setting, so I guess it depends on what you want to do with your Enchanter (although I think you could also argue the stuns are critical for a soloing Enchanter when charm breaks heh). Their top charm spell at 49 is also from research.

[derpcake2]

Always in a group, because we have pre-made groups. Or guilds. Or, you know, friends :rolleyes:

Maybe I havn't played EQ before. Maybe I have.

Fight me.

:D

Thanks for the offer, but people that practice martial arts aren't legally allowed to engage in conflict with mentally disabled people.

I hope you can resolve your eq status and mental issues soon.

Thots & prayers.

[Obrae]

Enchanters are definitely super powerful, but idk if I would say they have most of their toolkit without research. They definitely get a ton of spells without research, but their slows, mem blurs, and aoe stuns past level 12 all require research, as does their pre-Kunark aoe mez. These are big ones for an Enchanter in a group setting, so I guess it depends on what you want to do with your Enchanter (although I think you could also argue the stuns are critical for a soloing Enchanter when charm breaks heh). Their top charm spell at 49 is also from research.

Yeah but they just research the spell. Magician have to research the complete spell line each time they want their spell. Still, its doable.

[Obrae]

Yeah bruh, I only read playboy for the articles too.

Good for you ;)

[TheRusty]

Long post from someone that doesn't understand it didn't work in classic and 29+ doesn't work on green.

Disregarding that p1999 drop tables weren't adjusted, because it was broken in original and reviewing drop tables takes a lot of time / info that isn't available.

Again. We're operating out of a modified titanium client. This is why there are still non-classic drops here and there (such as pieces for luclin-era newbie armor).

Your words are dropping. That's why people are gouging you on the prices, because they have them and you want them.

if you spent more time buying them, and less time whining that you deserve free handouts on the forums, you'd have your damn pet.

[Spock2020]

I notice a long time ago that there's people who are allergic to any tradeskilling.EQ try with many epics who need some even velious got a big 1 coldain but for some it's a big no no. What can we do.

[Nirgon]

Meanwhile, in Norrath.... there are lvl 30+ mages

[Obrae]

Meanwhile, in Norrath.... there are lvl 30+ mages

Those who want to play mage will level to 50 without any problem, it's still a broken mechanic implemented for "selectively classic reasons".

We will work harder on a mechanic that make no senses, for no good reason. And we already had to make inexistant classic fix to make the broken mechanic work past the point where it had to do it at launch.

So to recap. To not lose face, to maintain a broken mechanic, P99 have made a fix that have never existed on live just so we can delay to real fix that happened on live for a couple of weeks.

Thats some serious "classic" shit right there.

P.S. All pets, all classes, still not on classic pet damage tables.

[Jimjam]

Again. We're operating out of a modified titanium client. This is why there are still non-classic drops here and there (such as pieces for luclin-era newbie armor).

Your words are dropping. That's why people are gouging you on the prices, because they have them and you want them.

if you spent more time buying them, and less time whining that you deserve free handouts on the forums, you'd have your damn pet.

Actually the client has nothing to do with server side stuff like mob populstions and drops. All of that had to be created from scratch.

So much stuff here is just the best possible approximation with the data available, which means copying live when there is no other source of data. And even copying live isn't easy; you can't just download mob populations/spawns/paths/quests from anywhere.

The amount of work that has gone into the server to make it as close an approximation of classic is tremendous. Of course there will be mistakes as there are no live or classic database to download, and much evidence of how things were are pretty well hidden.

[Lovebags]

Here's a thought: try using the research skill to make your own spells.

Its funny bc like lvl 24 pet words will drop from like lvl 30 mobs etc lol

[Jimjam]

A bit like level 37 warriors will be scraping together all their plat buying short swords that drop off a level 47 mob.

[solleks]

This is the stupidest thread of all time

[Nirgon]

It's not broken, this is how it was

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I remember trying to get mark of khan back in the day. Super rare off juggs, any copies which turned up in EC tunnel were sold for thousands of pp.

Hardly comparable as it wasnt even that great a spell tbh but deffo something i wanted. Lucky for me i was mates with one of the richest jewellcrafters on the server so i got it anyway for being her rez bot.

[WaffleztheAndal]

It's not broken, this is how it was

It was fixed pretty quick for something not broken.

[ravinz]

To get the 24 earth pet requires collecting the research drop parts and the level 20 pet spell, then successfully making the combine.
To get the 29 earth pet requires completing the above, collecting the 29 research parts, and completing that combine.
This continues for the 34, 39, 44, and for the mages who haven't rage quit, the 49 pet.
Any failure means starting the sequence over again. I think this was "fixed" originally because it just didn't work.

Does the requirement to be "classic" include having all the old bugs from EQ?

[WaffleztheAndal]

To get the 24 earth pet requires collecting the pages and the level 20 pet spell, then successfully making the combine.
To get the 29 earth pet requires the completing above, collecting the 29 pages, and completing the combine.
This continues for the 34, 39, 44, and for the mages who haven't rage quit, the 49 pet.
Any failure means starting the sequence over again. I think this was "fixed" originally because it just didn't work.

Maybe if the damn words we needed were more common it could be justified as just more classic challenge. I haven’t seen a single copy of words of coercion drop, not one. I’ve tried different camps/mobs people have reported seeing drops at. When a copy is offered for sale you need to give a kidney for it. And like you said you can easily just fail the combine anyways and the entire process starts again.

Anyone defending this system is delusional. It was changed for a reason.

[derpcake2]

I don't see what the problem is, the 34+ combines don't work anyway.

[WaffleztheAndal]

Just want to make clear that green/teal are fantastic servers and achievements and we are all grateful to the entire staff for making this possible. This mage situation is some bullshit though lol.

[Baler]

There is a level 40 mage already
What the problem is ;)

[WaffleztheAndal]

There is a level 40 mage already
What the problem is ;)

Some people are going get lucky with the drops they need and with their combines of course. Some mages are also just straight up being carried too.

[NegaStoat]

I feel bad for bumping this rancid dumpster of a thread, but ya might as well let it die. Mages get their 1-2 pets added per tier on the vendors in like 6 weeks. Any mage can just level to 24 or 26, park, level an alt to help with whatever and then focus on the mage again when the pets are in. With dedication anyone really wanting Legacy drops can just get them on Teal and wait for the merge.

[WaffleztheAndal]

I feel bad for bumping this rancid dumpster of a thread, but ya might as well let it die. Mages get their 1-2 pets added per tier on the vendors in like 6 weeks. Any mage can just level to 24 or 26, park, level an alt to help with whatever and then focus on the mage again when the pets are in. With dedication anyone really wanting Legacy drops can just get them on Teal and wait for the merge.

It’s more like two months I believe.

[Morratiz]

Can you guys make classic features not classic on this server that aims to give as close to the classic experience as possible

[cd288]

Can you guys make classic features not classic on this server that aims to give as close to the classic experience as possible

Hopefully if they decide to make this as close to the classic experience as possible we can have pet classes not lose EXP to pets and they can then gain EXP while completely AFK while having their pets /pet guard on a spawn point! :p

[Dolalin]

Hopefully if they decide to make this as close to the classic experience as possible we can have pet classes not lose EXP to pets

Fake news

Pets stealing xp has been around since beta and I've found proof of this, posted in the other pet xp thread.

[korzax]

Ignore cd288, he is just a troll.

[Frug]

Does the requirement to be "classic" include having all the old bugs from EQ?


Only if it's less fun or disadvantages the player.

[Frug]

It’s more like two months I believe.

So 8 weeks instead of 6?

[Obrae]

Haha so if what people reports on the bugs page is true you can't even attemot 34+ recipe. What a joke. At least, no more need to acquire words.

[Obrae]

There is a level 40 mage already
What the problem is ;)

This have nothing to do with the thread but its a nice kindergarden reasonning, i bet you are proud.

Also EQ easiest game of all time, just a long grind. So what it special to get 40 or 50 ?

[Palemoon]

This is the first server in 19 years where mages have not utterly and totally swarmed the classic content like locust.

Glad to see the original intent to slow down a overpowered class until the other classes got out of rags and became more relevant is working here.

[Obrae]

This is the first server in 19 years where mages have not utterly and totally swarmed the classic content like locust.

Glad to see the original intent to slow down a overpowered class until the other classes got out of rags and became more relevant is working here.

Youre mistaking enchanters for mages

[oldhead]

This is the first server in 19 years where mages have not utterly and totally swarmed the classic content like locust.

Glad to see the original intent to slow down a overpowered class until the other classes got out of rags and became more relevant is working here.

Hooey, What servers have you been on?

[Baler]

This have nothing to do with the thread but its a nice kindergarden reasonning, i bet you are proud.

Also EQ easiest game of all time, just a long grind. So what it special to get 40 or 50 ?

I don't think you've been following along with people making threads about mages. Pre-green or post-green.

The "mages were horrible in classic" thread and the title of this thread you posted in "Mages are up shit’s creek I guess"

My point is and has always been that mages aren't terrible and are one of the fastest leveling classes. Not sure why you think that's kindergarden logic. I get it you don't like my posts or my style but jeez. lighten up.

*cheers* first 50 be a mage! you can do it!

[derpcake2]

This have nothing to do with the thread but its a nice kindergarden reasonning, i bet you are proud.

Also EQ easiest game of all time, just a long grind. So what it special to get 40 or 50 ?

Best stop replying to Baler, he is either trolling or doesn't understand the problem, and its not going to help anyway.

I made 5 on my ENCH yesterday, going to be a quick and comfortable ride. Level one pet with a rusty 2H hits for 18, talk about OP.

[Dolalin]

I PM'd Nilbog a few days ago about mage research. He previously expressed a keen interest in making sure these spells were available so I'm about 100% sure he's just been busy with work and will fix it when able.

Everyone looking for a conspiracy by staff here is going a little crazy I think, calm down.

[Baler]

Best stop replying to Baler, he is either trolling or doesn't understand the problem, and its not going to help anyway.

I am not trolling and I understand what's going on with mages.
I just choose to point out there are several mages in their 30s and 40s already. The problem has not slowed them down.

It seems like anytime I disagree with the bandwagon of complaint I'm called a troll.. so I'll leave this for you.
If you're having mage problems I feel bad for you son
I got ninety nine problems but a pet ain't one

[Obrae]

I don't think you've been following along with people making threads about mages. Pre-green or post-green.

The "mages were horrible in classic" thread and the title of this thread you posted in "Mages are up shit’s creek I guess"

My point is and has always been that mages aren't terrible and are one of the fastest leveling classes. Not sure why you think that's kindergarden logic. I get it you don't like my posts or my style but jeez. lighten up.

*cheers* first 50 be a mage! you can do it!

Just tired of having people going out of their way to keep mages broken while they don’t even understand whats going on really. Their argument ? Classic. There is nothing classic about it. It’s like asking for 14-16 hours of downtime a dsy for the first couple week saying it is classic. The. These same person not playing mages are asking QoL that touch them on other threads.

Magician is a great and fun class, far from OP they have their strenght and wesknesses like all class. You have all played on blue, they do as great a job a dps as manynother classes, many will best them for the majority of green existence.

[Obrae]

I am not trolling and I understand what's going on with mages.
I just choose to point out there are several mages in their 30s and 40s already. The problem has not slowed them down.

It seems like anytime I disagree with the bandwagon of complaint I'm called a troll.. so I'll leave this for you.
If you're having mage problems I feel bad for you son
I got ninety nine problems but a pet ain't one

Yeah we will start to face the real problem at 34 +.

It’s not we arent working hard, tonight is a scary night ill try a 34 combine.
The last pet available atm. I can only try once, dont have the materials for another chain of combine if it fails. 30 % chance of fail.

I am a lucky mage, i have people helping me. But now closing on 40, we wont really find lower materials so it will get pretty tough starting new chains and more low mages will also need those mats. And higher materials will be just as rare i am sure.

But in any case 39 pets are not and never been available on classic through research purely