Kill stealing out of control

[Gnec]

I never posted much on forums, to me its just bickering and i would rather not participate in it. I started on green at launch day and the kill stealing is insane, even if i send my pet on something and lifetap it a couple times and its below 70% a group will roll by and kill it.

Its a new server, and people want to level i get it !

But even if i am like hey ! They say fuck off, fuck you, eat shit, eat my ass or Lol like its not even a big deal.

I have tried going to butcherblock even as a gnome since steamfont was a warzone and even in the middle of nowhere a dwarf will appear out of nowhere and steal skeletons goblins or whatever, i cant imagine how burdened the staff is with these issues but can we talk about some type of play nice policy once someone is fighting a monster?

Player conduct needs improvement

[Dilemne]

sorry, you re not from blue, no one will listen at what you think, they will just trash you.
Dont expect the staff to help you, they are just posting screen of their blue friends.

[FroglokIRL]

I've found Nek, EC, WC to be much better. Sure people race to engage something first, but once someone engages people respect that. About the best you can hope for with such a large population atm.

[feniin]

sorry, you re not from blue, no one will listen at what you think, they will just trash you.
Dont expect the staff to help you, they are just posting screen of their blue friends.

:confused: Where do you think the population of the Green Server is from? Nobody is playing this game for the first time.

[Gustoo]

Download fraps and record the proof.

The speed leveling will be kicked hard in the nutsack when these guys get 1 week suspensions.

Crossing fingers for the cold hammer of Justice on these.

[Dilemne]

:confused: Where do you think the population of the Green Server is from? Nobody is playing this game for the first time.

I am, and was not the only one
And p1999 is not everquest, just a freeshard, they can come from live too
You think 4k player are from the 800 blue only ? You think they came with their grandma for more manastone ?

[Baler]

Install OBS and record it

[Dilemne]

Install OBS and record it

For what ?? They can claim their ks on /ooc and on this forum without any problem, what a record would accomplish ?

[Baler]

For what ?? They can claim their ks on /ooc and on this forum without any problem, what a record would accomplish ?

It's called proof
kind of a big deal

[Dilemne]

It's called proof
kind of a big deal

its not like if staff was reading the forum, can you see how it s free to insult on this forum ?

[Gustoo]

It's called proof
kind of a big deal

OP use a recording app. Post up the proof. Get them suspended. Laugh hard and robustly in your vindication. Usually justice prevails here. It isn't super swift all the time.

Ignore Dilemne he is a confirmed idiot.

[Arvan]

Someone ksed my decaying skeleton thread

[feniin]

its not like if staff was reading the forum, can you see how it s free to insult on this forum ?

You need to learn the culture of the forum/server before coming in and complaining about every little thing.

The petition forum is monitored and situations dealt with if there's actionable information/evidence.

[Dolalin]

Things haven't been *too* bad in the Qeynos newbie yard, but a few times I've had people pull a mob off me if I was fighting two even though I had FTE. If I'm first to engage you have to respect that chumps, even if you think me taking two klickniks is a little greedy.

[Baler]

You need to learn the culture of the forum/server before coming in and complaining about every little thing.

The petition forum is monitored and situations dealt with if there's actionable information/evidence.

well said
The staff do prefer if players work out issues between themselves but they will step in if players are unable to do so.

[Bisonzabi]

Of course it's going to be out of control, you have 1800-2600 people within the 1-20 zones of Vanilla EQ monitored by a bunch of volunteer GM on a community server, what else did you expect?

[Tethler]

Things haven't been *too* bad in the Qeynos newbie yard, but a few times I've had people pull a mob off me if I was fighting two even though I had FTE. If I'm first to engage you have to respect that chumps, even if you think me taking two klickniks is a little greedy.

The worse I saw in Qeynos was people camping the individual decaying skeleton or gnoll spawns. Parking on the spawn point, then another person notices it's a skeleton spawn and they park there and wait too, trying to take it from the person who was there first. Saw that shit and just went into the sewers where there were plenty of open mobs.

[Zeboim]

GMs have been making pretty good efforts. Launch day we were camping Forager Grikk and another group kept trying to steal him, coming in and squatting on the spawn, /laughing etc. GM showed up within 15 min of the petition and ran them off.

If someone is doing something against the rules and refuses to stop, get proof and petition them! If they're being dicks openly in chat the evidence is already there. But you should probably just accept that if someone decides to one off dps race you on a decaying skel, it's just part of the game at this stage.

[blakedubois314]

I’ve had more mobs killed by wandering guards in QH than players ��

[Videri]

You're only allowed to complain about people breaking the rules IF you report them for breaking the rules.

If you see rule-breaking and don't report it, you're part of the problem.

[Thrombosis]

Spent quite a lot of time in NRo and Nek Forest this weekend, never got KS'd once (except by a Stone Guardian in Nek /rude).

[Tecmos Deception]

I never posted much on forums, to me its just bickering and i would rather not participate in it. I started on green at launch day and the kill stealing is insane, even if i send my pet on something and lifetap it a couple times and its below 70% a group will roll by and kill it.

Its a new server, and people want to level i get it !

But even if i am like hey ! They say fuck off, fuck you, eat shit, eat my ass or Lol like its not even a big deal.

I have tried going to butcherblock even as a gnome since steamfont was a warzone and even in the middle of nowhere a dwarf will appear out of nowhere and steal skeletons goblins or whatever, i cant imagine how burdened the staff is with these issues but can we talk about some type of play nice policy once someone is fighting a monster?

Player conduct needs improvement

Make a troll. We all get along down here, there's hardly any KSing, there's plenty of mobs and buttcracks.

[Mblake81]

But even if i am like hey ! They say fuck off, fuck you, eat shit, eat my ass or Lol like its not even a big deal.

https://i.imgur.com/sj9ItN8.gif

[Spock2020]

Elf races must be nice worst that happen to me is people casting around same time but every time I have a mob everybody let me kill it.It's wonderful in gfay people are very civil.

[Danger]

challenge everyone to duels. everyone.

take your mobs? /duel
have a group spot you want? /duel
higher level than you? /duel
waiting for the boat? /duel
get to a vendor before you and the vendor tells them they look like they could use a rusty morningstar? /duel

slap them with your small cloth gloves, demand satisfaction, and put that tarnished halberd to work.

[Jimjam]

Elf races must be nice worst that happen to me is people casting around same time but every time I have a mob everybody let me kill it.It's wonderful in gfay people are very civil.

So what we're hearing is innothule and qeynos are as dirty as the water beneath them.

[Daldaen]

This is why green should’ve had no camp rules or GM intervention with this aspect of the game.

It was inevitably going to be very crowded, and it is best if people are allowed to work things out between each other. Trying to involve GMs over every Kill stollen Skeleton is going to overwhelm and exhaust them, they’re not going to have the time to check out all of these cases especially once more people are in the zones without accelerated respawn rates.

[Khikik]

The staff do prefer if players work out issues between themselves but they will step in if players are unable to do so.

I mean its in the PnP policy...

We greatly encourage players to find their own resolution to spawn disputes, as the solution provided by the staff will at best be a win-lose situation, and possibly a lose-lose situation. No two decisions, even at the same 'camp', are guaranteed to be the same, as we will take into account multiple factors in making a determination on a 'camp'.

Please do your best to use courtesy and common sense when interacting with other players in spawn disputes.


Its almost always going to be better for both parties to come to a reasonable resolutions among themselves In camp disputes. How Staff applies the rules is very literal compared to the loose player perception of what a "camp" is.

As for Kill steals, report them to Staff (/petition). We are doing our best to issue warnings or more if appropriate and reminding players there is a PnP on this server. Staff is aware many players are from Blue, but we also have to take into account there is a lot of players that may be new to P99 or have not played in a very long time and are either new or back for Green. Jumping in and playing during launch is an exciting time for players and we realize not everyone has their *ahem* Lawyer license from Blue. So to the Blue players out there keep that in mind and try and help the new players not berate them over every little issue

Lastly...working or at the very least cooperating in a civil enough manner with other players to resolve issues before staff need get involved is part of taking part in the community and a great way to improve the community. Reporting things for staff to look into is also taking part in the community as well as helps staff function and do what we are here to do, you are our eyes and ears - Don't assume we are omnipotent super beings

(I know reading rules isn't fun, but hey you got some spare time while you sit and meditate / wait for your health to come back right?) Play nice Policy (PnP) - https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325349

[Chortles Snort|eS]

Hey how do I cooperate civilly with a player that’s afk XPing for hours?
Wait 24 hours for a petition to be investigated by the elf police?
Let me know, thanks!

[Khikik]

Hey how do I cooperate civilly with a player that’s afk XPing for hours?
Wait 24 hours for a petition to be investigated by the elf police?
Let me know, thanks!

Chortles asked...

Hey how do I cooperate civilly with a player that's afk XPing for hours?
You /petition. Obvously an AFK killer is not going to respond to you. But still the only people who have authority to take action against players is Staff. If anyone as a player combat suspected rules violations with clear and obvious rules violations then your going to have a bad time....mmmmm-kaaaay

Wait 24 hours for a petition to be investigated by the elf police?
Please our response time is never that slow, be patient. If you really want to hurt rules breakers where it counts you need to be patient and /petition. Staff can do more damage than any "You know what you did" ever could... ;)

[walfreyydo]

Hate to state the obvious, but you could always just wait to play green for a couple weeks after things calm down.

[BlackBellamy]

Some guy did ask me to stop ks'ing his group at the Nek pyramid but I landed the DD first fair and square. I was going to tell him that his group doesn't get to claim a whole area in a newbie zone with 160 people in it, and that if they want a spawn point they need to sit on top of it, but I could farm up five mobs in the time it took to have that argument so I left them to their territorial claims.

[oldhead]

I've found Nek, EC, WC to be much better. Sure people race to engage something first, but once someone engages people respect that. About the best you can hope for with such a large population atm.

I have made three characters. One 5 one 9 and one 3ish? So all low level but I have been surprised to death at how much people do respect your camp/pull so far.

only a few dicks encountered.


Not sure if this is because low level still but compared to other games and all the other EQ Classic TLPs it has been much better. Surprised me. I prolly should say this because now I will log in and find 10 dickheads..

[Mblake81]

My favorite part of the whole weekend was watching the noobs get welcomed by the murder bird ripping their heads off.

Server Hero.

[larper99]

I haven't been poopsocking, but I was on quite a bit this weekend. I haven't seen any kill-stealing, per se. Races to mobs? Yeah. Hitting at virtually the same time? Yeah. Attacking when a nuke comes in? Yeah. All of which probably have to do with a bit of lag and casting time, etc. Everyone seems relatively polite, camping wise. I am sure there is kill stealing going on, but my experience in Q, QH, BB, and EP has been virtually free of it.

Now, EQ being EQ, there are still some arrogant mofos out there who just can't seem to keep there mouths shut, ooc wise. I thought 20 years would have matured some of these a-holes, but alas, no. 99% of the people out there are great and having fun. 1% still think its their job to make everyone else's lives miserable.

[Gnec]

Speaking of decaying skeleton i logged in this morning and went to gfay, was fighting a decaying skeleton and it was at about 60% and someone ran by and 1 shotted it, i said cmon and he told me to kill myself.

This is an online game, its meant to be fun and a happy place.

[skipdog]

I've leveled 2 chars through newbie zones now and I've had like 1 actual KS where someone attacks my mob after I did. That was probably an accident.

Besides that, I've just not had anybody try to attack a mob I was already engaged with. Sucks that some of you ran into a dick.

[pheerie]

I never posted much on forums, to me its just bickering and i would rather not participate in it. I started on green at launch day and the kill stealing is insane, even if i send my pet on something and lifetap it a couple times and its below 70% a group will roll by and kill it.

Its a new server, and people want to level i get it !

But even if i am like hey ! They say fuck off, fuck you, eat shit, eat my ass or Lol like its not even a big deal.

I have tried going to butcherblock even as a gnome since steamfont was a warzone and even in the middle of nowhere a dwarf will appear out of nowhere and steal skeletons goblins or whatever, i cant imagine how burdened the staff is with these issues but can we talk about some type of play nice policy once someone is fighting a monster?

Player conduct needs improvement

You mean you expected all people to play as if they jumped into a time machine and are just now experiencing the internet?

[iamnotsalem]

Me and my crew made a rotation out of kill stealing idiots waiting for a single skeleton to spawn. No problems in the nooby yard. Just look for any idiot standing staring at nothing and 1 minute later steal his skeleton and tell him to fuck off. Easy. I bet i even made OP my little bitch. Lol

[cd288]

Me and my crew made a rotation out of kill stealing idiots waiting for a single skeleton to spawn. No problems in the nooby yard. Just look for any idiot standing staring at nothing and 1 minute later steal his skeleton and tell him to fuck off. Easy. I bet i even made OP my little bitch. Lol

You sound like a really nice person

[Jibartik]

For what ?? They can claim their ks on /ooc and on this forum without any problem, what a record would accomplish ?

If they are planning on playing the game for a month or so they will eventually log into a banned account if you send the fraps to the petition channel.

[azeth]

Me and my crew made a rotation out of kill stealing idiots waiting for a single skeleton to spawn

"we KS idiots who camp mobs"

This your first jaunt in EQ or?

[Tecmos Deception]

Me and my crew made a rotation out of kill stealing idiots waiting for a single skeleton to spawn. No problems in the nooby yard. Just look for any idiot standing staring at nothing and 1 minute later steal his skeleton and tell him to fuck off. Easy. I bet i even made OP my little bitch. Lol

Lol.

[Danger]

Me and my crew made a rotation out of kill stealing idiots waiting for a single skeleton to spawn. No problems in the nooby yard. Just look for any idiot standing staring at nothing and 1 minute later steal his skeleton and tell him to fuck off. Easy. I bet i even made OP my little bitch. Lol

chortled.

[Gustoo]

Speaking of decaying skeleton i logged in this morning and went to gfay, was fighting a decaying skeleton and it was at about 60% and someone ran by and 1 shotted it, i said cmon and he told me to kill myself.

This is an online game, its meant to be fun and a happy place.

Yeah record these ones.

[Jibartik]

I mean the truth is most of these red players wont be here in 2-3 months.

The p99 is just not a good fit for them. I mean they greifed themselves off the frickn red server lol.

[iamnotsalem]

Red was great fun, just not enough sick or unemployed people to kill 3 years of velious on a dead end server. We had about 100 for the last 2 years, most of them from blue, but they gave up when ToV was nerfed. Now the only people left are, sad, lonely, losers. Also from blue.

Ps. I quit green after 2 hours. Yawn. Snooze fest

[loramin]

What does Khikik do here? - https://i.imgur.com/JvxaZ9u.mp4


Khikik this is way too great not to actually show in your signature!

EDIT: Now I see the problem ... will consult the IMGUR gods to see if this can be fixed!

[Israel Adesanya]

Someone ksed my decaying skeleton thread

[loramin]

Khikik this is way too great not to actually show in your signature!

EDIT: Now I see the problem ... will consult the IMGUR gods to see if this can be fixed!

Ok I figured it out:

https://i.imgur.com/lVwUMFY.gif

To use it as your sig just copy the below, and remove the two "\":

[IMG\]https://i.imgur.com/lVwUMFY.gif[/IMG\]

Also I tried making a half-size one, since the current one is kind of big for a signature, but Gimp screwed up the colors when I did :(

https://i.imgur.com/9qm513q.gif

So what I'd suggest is that you use whatever program you made the video in to shrink it down to signature size, then upload it to IMGUR, copy the URL, and just change the "mp4" part to "gif".

Normally that works, but if it doesn't (it didn't with your original video, I think because it was so long) you can auto-convert it to a gif by going to https://imgur.com/vidgif and giving it the URL of it.

Hope we see that video in your sig in the future!

[Teppler]

I got 3 different rulings on one single camp.

It was 2 under-leveled orcs in Misty Thicket that spawn right next to each other and drop belts that give you exp 10+

Day 1- Someone is camping both and gives the camp to a friends and I. 15 mins later a new duo comes in and plops on our spot. Guide A rules its FTE and uses the phrasing that we need to hit the mobs first. He says we should go to a dungeon if we want to claim 2 mobs like these. I always respect what the Guide's/GMs say and follow it.

Day 2- There's a duo there. I start killing 1 orc just like Guide A ruled the previous night. They petition. Guide B comes in and says we each take 1 spawn point. It's a different ruling but fine.

Later Day 2- Same situation as before. I start killing 1 orc. Guide B comes in and banishes me from the camp. The situation was the same exact as earlier. Same guide gives a different ruling on the camp and what's a KS. Guide B starts insulting me a bit. Saying I'm like Alleriah who was banned for massive RMT. Says if I'm in petition again he's going to suspend me. Keep in mind I've played since blue classic and I've never ever been so much as warned for anything.

WTF are the rules? Good luck to you people doing competitive stuff on this server longer term. Up to a certain point you really have to roll the dice with this human element that can screw you at any moment if lets say they don't like the way you phrased something.

[Khikik]

A wall of text

Thx Loramin but I don't want it playing embedded, would' not be kind to the forums especially when I have to comment multiple times in the same thread in the petition forums and it would be playing multiple times on someones screen

[skipdog]

Guides should know the rules. The suspend threat is crazy. That guide shouldn't be a guide. This is a bit sad. :(

[Jibartik]

Day 1: You can claim 1 mob outdoors, just like the day 2 ruling.

I think you may have missunderstood the guide that Day 1 ruling. Day 2 is the correct ruling.

I'm pretty sure there is no such thing as an FTE mob on p99 outside of raid mobs? Seems odd that a GM would say "yeah you guys fight over it like rabid dogs"

[Teppler]

Day 1: You can claim 1 mob outdoors, just like the day 2 ruling.

I think you may have missunderstood the guide that Day 1 ruling. Day 2 is the correct ruling.

I'm pretty sure there is no such thing as an FTE mob on p99 outside of raid mobs? Seems odd that a GM would say "yeah you guys fight over it like rabid dogs"

Wat. FTE is huge. You can't just take mobs that others pull first. That's what FTE is. Let's say you pull a kodiak and slowly bring him to 75% then I nuke him for 51% and let you finish him off. I'd be committing a KS because the other person had FTE.

Either way, FTE or not, I don't really care, I'd really just like something consistent. I got 3 different rulings on the same situation. What a fucking nightmare.

[Jibartik]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325349

[iamnotsalem]

The guides on these servers can be really stupid, most of the GM's on red99 had no idea how everquest worked, including Sirken. Huge inconsistencies between guide/GM ruling has always been the case.

Server is free and they are volunteers, some who just smoke pot all day and have very few brain cells (sirken), so like you said. just roll the die and hope for the best.

[Tecmos Deception]

I got 3 different rulings on one single camp.

It was 2 under-leveled orcs in Misty Thicket that spawn right next to each other and drop belts that give you exp 10+

Day 1- Someone is camping both and gives the camp to a friends and I. 15 mins later a new duo comes in and plops on our spot. Guide A rules its FTE and uses the phrasing that we need to hit the mobs first. He says we should go to a dungeon if we want to claim 2 mobs like these. I always respect what the Guide's/GMs say and follow it.

Day 2- There's a duo there. I start killing 1 orc just like Guide A ruled the previous night. They petition. Guide B comes in and says we each take 1 spawn point. It's a different ruling but fine.

Later Day 2- Same situation as before. I start killing 1 orc. Guide B comes in and banishes me from the camp. The situation was the same exact as earlier. Same guide gives a different ruling on the camp and what's a KS. Guide B starts insulting me a bit. Saying I'm like Alleriah who was banned for massive RMT. Says if I'm in petition again he's going to suspend me. Keep in mind I've played since blue classic and I've never ever been so much as warned for anything.

WTF are the rules? Good luck to you people doing competitive stuff on this server longer term. Up to a certain point you really have to roll the dice with this human element that can screw you at any moment if lets say they don't like the way you phrased something.

Post logs in petition forum and the errant guides will get straightened out.

[Jibartik]

Post logs in petition forum and the errant guides will get straightened out.

I was gonna say, every time someone makes a post like this a GM shows up with screenshots like:

You told player: Gm here about a petition.
Player tells you: So you're going with ballgod's side nerd? Haha whats up douche bag, it's Tanner from high school. Remember me? Me and the guys used to give you a hard time in school. Sorry you were just an easy target lol. I can see not much has changed. remember Sarah the girl you had a crush on? Yeah we're married now. I make over 200k a year and drive a Mustang GT. I guess somethings never change huh loser? Nice catching up lol! pathetic... anyway, I swear I did not train her I did not!

[Tecmos Deception]

Hahaha

[Teppler]

Post logs in petition forum and the errant guides will get straightened out.

I was told by the last guide if he saw my name again in petition I'd be suspended.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

https://i.imgur.com/tvNAdZk.gif

[loramin]

Thx Loramin but I don't want it playing embedded, would' not be kind to the forums especially when I have to comment multiple times in the same thread in the petition forums and it would be playing multiple times on someones screen

But it's so great! You could just make it really small ...

[Jibartik]

It's clear what we need to do is pool our money and hire steven speilberg to make a movie about an island where some brilliant rich guy made a real everquest world and then the ride breaks and starts player killing all the tourists.

[toddfx]

For what it's worth, KSing did not seem to be any issue at all in Butcher Block this weekend. Everybody I ran into there seemed to be pretty respectful.

[Xer0]

its not like if staff was reading the forum, can you see how it s free to insult on this forum ?

you must be new here.

sure, you won't get a lot of sympathy becuase youw ere insulted on the forum. but infractions of the rules in game matter.

only problem is you better have proof if you're going to make an accusation, because otherwise it is just that.

[Danger]

It's clear what we need to do is pool our money and hire steven speilberg to make a movie about an island where some brilliant rich guy made a real everquest world and then the ride breaks and starts player killing all the tourists.

https://i.imgur.com/4ocZXnG.jpg

[Bazia]

https://i.imgur.com/4ocZXnG.jpg

this guy slaps your girls ass at the bar, what do you do?

[fugazi]

I bet Teppler is Petmaster the gnome mage on Green. Would explain him getting yeeted.

[Teppler]

I bet Teppler is Petmaster the gnome mage on Green. Would explain him getting yeeted.

How did petition work out for you?

[Jibartik]

I really wish they'd publish all the week 1 petitions, god they must be glorious :o

[Jibartik]

this guy slaps your girls ass at the bar, what do you do?

He stands at decayed skellies and sells me the bones 30 for 1p lol

[fugazi]

Hahahahahaha, Teppler *IS* Petmaster. Get wrecked, mate, and good riddance.

[Teppler]

Hahahahahaha, Teppler *IS* Petmaster. Get wrecked, mate, and good riddance.

No, seriously I'm asking. Some guy was clearly janking mobs from you. How did petition work out? Should be clear cut right?

[fugazi]

https://i.imgur.com/rNcTIVB.png

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/rNcTIVB.png

You got cucked in guk didn't you?

[Danger]

Gucked

[Gallus]

The thing that bothered me the most was that someone would be afk sitting in the open on a noobie area "spawn", like a scarab or a skeleton, the mob would be up, they wouldn't be killing it, so I assume they're just a noob getting health/mana back. I attack the mob and then the person stands up "DUDE!" "DON'T STEAL MY ****'n MOBS!" "YOU POS ****"

Lol. It appears the launch of Green coupled with the insane move to get rid of exp quests and keeping exp penalties in place has pissed everyone off.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

this guy was AFK for hours
https://clips.twitch.tv/CrackyVainPartridgeBleedPurple

[Teppler]

Snitching

[Videri]

I have found it pretty easy to get to level 5, travel all over Norrath inviting my officers, gate back to Misty, and get to level 7 in NRo without kill-stealing anyone at all. I just don’t think it’s that hard to refrain from pulling an already-aggroed mob. You may have to go to other zones, or form a group, or wait by a group until they need a replacement, or just watch ooc for 10 min until someone says LFM.

[Rooj]

I have to say I was thoroughly surprised by the lack of KSing I've experienced. Although I am mostly playing during off hours currently and late night people are usually way more relaxed.

[Wwen42]

I got 3 different rulings on one single camp.

It was 2 under-leveled orcs in Misty Thicket that spawn right next to each other and drop belts that give you exp 10+

Day 1- Someone is camping both and gives the camp to a friends and I. 15 mins later a new duo comes in and plops on our spot. Guide A rules its FTE and uses the phrasing that we need to hit the mobs first. He says we should go to a dungeon if we want to claim 2 mobs like these. I always respect what the Guide's/GMs say and follow it.

Day 2- There's a duo there. I start killing 1 orc just like Guide A ruled the previous night. They petition. Guide B comes in and says we each take 1 spawn point. It's a different ruling but fine.

Later Day 2- Same situation as before. I start killing 1 orc. Guide B comes in and banishes me from the camp. The situation was the same exact as earlier. Same guide gives a different ruling on the camp and what's a KS. Guide B starts insulting me a bit. Saying I'm like Alleriah who was banned for massive RMT. Says if I'm in petition again he's going to suspend me. Keep in mind I've played since blue classic and I've never ever been so much as warned for anything.

WTF are the rules? Good luck to you people doing competitive stuff on this server longer term. Up to a certain point you really have to roll the dice with this human element that can screw you at any moment if lets say they don't like the way you phrased something.

Whoa, sounds like that GM should be banned. That's not good behavior. Inspector General?

[Deathrydar]

Whoa, sounds like that GM should be banned. That's not good behavior. Inspector General?

Give them a break! They are probably being bothered constantly with this petty bullshit and they are doing it for free.

Not saying what happened isn't bullshit, but let's be real here: It is not a coordinated customer service department.

[Wwen42]

You're not wrong, but people with power lording over those with none makes me punchy. If you want to push people around, have children like a normal person. ;) I make my son do his homework AND brush his teeth.

[cd288]

GMs/Guides need to be giving consistent rulings IMO. If it's truly the same situation and the same Guide, then the ruling should be the same. The ruling should also be consistent with what you would receive from another staff member. It's not fair to players to have different rulings be handed out such that you never know if something one staff member said was okay is something you're going to get in trouble for with a different one.

[Wwen42]

I can roll with chaos and even confusion (getting two ruling from the same GM), but insulting and making threats is out of line. C'mmon man, smoke some weed and chill out.

[Danger]

i'm telling you guys, challenge people to duels and take the law into your own hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFkdcQgNJHo

[Chardy]

Green sounds fun...

Wipe it clean! Red 2.0!

[Teppler]

GMs/Guides need to be giving consistent rulings IMO. If it's truly the same situation and the same Guide, then the ruling should be the same. The ruling should also be consistent with what you would receive from another staff member. It's not fair to players to have different rulings be handed out such that you never know if something one staff member said was okay is something you're going to get in trouble for with a different one.

Agreed. I try to be very careful with what happens with staff rulings and the spirit in which they want to rule..... but I don’t completely stop playing the camps that I like and want to play. It’s a really bad feeling when you’re trying really hard to follow their direct instructions and you just get in trouble again for doing it. And then it’s even worse when you follow their instructions and then you get attacked on a personal level.

I had comparisons to Alleriah made to me by the second guide. Alleriah was banned for a massive rmt scheme while I’ve never even been warned for an infraction on blue.

I used to talk to Sirken personally when these problems came up and he would get to the bottom of things. Things like that look like they just don’t happen anymore.

[Llandris]

I don't have any PMs from you Teppler.

[Teppler]

I would love to chat with you about this Llandris. I would be really happy about that actually.

[Israel Adesanya]

Everything of significance is the result of conquest. Dark Men of Odus take claim to all of the vile beasts in your lands and the spoils that come from slaying them.

[GigasLugian]

Some dude reported me last night for killing a skeleton on the newb starting area right outside Queynos city gates. He literally reported me and called me an ass for "taking his spawn". ITS THE FUCKING STARTING AREA - THERE'S A HUNDRED PEOPLE HERE RUNNING AROUND KILLING WHATEVER THEY CAN. So then a GM whispers me and says something like "you cant take a spawn if you're killing other mobs". huh?

[Israel Adesanya]

Through us, the powers of chaos are harnessed and exploited. Dark times don’t simply emerge. Enlightened beings, guiding intelligences manipulate events to bring about a storm that will deliver power into the hands of an elite group willing to make the hard choices the Antonicans fear to make. Beings may elect their leaders, but Erud has elected us.

[Llandris]

The Guide was probably referring to the PNP which is located here (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325349), Gigas;

Open Outdoor Zones can be anything from Western Wastes, Karanas or West Commons. There are no staff recognized camps for this zone type outside of single spawn points. Examples of single spawn types might be Ocean of Tears Ancient Cyclops, Iceclad Ocean Stormfeather, or Qeynos Hills Hadden. Though, any single spawn point can be claimed, that is the only spawn you can hunt (if being contested). If you are to claim this point you must get aggro/First to Encounter (FTE) within a reasonable amount of time.

[Deathrydar]

Everything of significance is the result of conquest. Dark Men of Odus take claim to all of the vile beasts in your lands and the spoils that come from slaying them.

You're weird.