Stat penalties and SK questions.

[lonig]

Questions:


How bad is the <75 AGI penalty on Green?
Do other stats also have penalties? Like Dex < 75?
Is there any bonus number to reach? 100?
Discussion on statline for Ogre SK? Seems discussion of 5 agi/15int or 5 agi/15 stam.
CT or RZ for religion on Ogre SK?



I've seen some mention of the 75 AGI, and it seems like sold old posts don't think it matters much in classic era, but most recent discussion thinks it is. I plan to make it 75 on my SK, but I am curious what that actually is solving. I think it is an AC penalty? Is it big enough to matter on an Ogre SK?

Other stats, my main concern is DEX. The Ogre SK has 70 Dex, so taking it to 75 seems easy enough if there is a penalty.

As for statline, I've seen the 15 INT be referenced for spell casting, and 15 stam for extra hp. Since this is classic and not velious, I've not really found anyone mentioning era when discussion it in my searches. Maybe era doesn't matter?

Lastly, any reason to go RZ over CT for religion on the Ogre SK? Seen some talk about religion quests/items (not sure if on release) and haven't seen any talk about Rallos Zek, most seems to talk about Innu who I cannot choose.

[lonig]

My searches have given me these answers so far

1) Can't find anything specific
2) No
3) No
4) INT / STA seem split down the middle
5) No talk of either really.

[Baler]

less than 75 AGI impacts your AC which means you take more melee damage
off the top, I think CHA is similar in terms of vendor price being affected
No bonus only penalties
75 agi, int/sta
deities

[Fammaden]

The conventional wisdom is if your race is under 75 agi you should absolutely get it to 75 regardless of class. Don't bother with dex. IMO the returns you get on INT vs. STA will heavily favor stamina. That int isn't going to help too much prior to getting expansion gear on an SK, focus on being a beefy tank first and a spellcaster second.

[lonig]

Thanks for the replies thus far!

[Graventhel]

1. Get it to 75. https://wiki.project1999.com/Statistics#Agility_.28AGI.29

2. Not really. https://wiki.project1999.com/Statistics

3. No, not from the character creation screen anyway.

4. I would go for Int if I planned on doing much soloing. Here is how much hp you lose at 60 by not taking the stamina option. It's not much. https://wiki.project1999.com/Game_Mechanics#Hitpoint_Calculation

5. No idea.

[uygi]

So I decided to try leaving AGI at 70 on beta. The difference is significant (and painful), but if you really want to min/max you can buy Feet Like Cat for the shamans and they’ll buff you in gratitude.

You’ll regret putting the points into INT. Take a look at the SK sky quest rewards: they’re loaded with STR/DEX/INT and have no STA. Lots of SK gear has INT, STA is a little harder to get. What you really need is hit points if you plan to tank. If you plan to just solo... then I don’t know why you’d be a SK instead of a necro.

For shadowknight there are no deity-specific items or quests, but picking CT makes it easier* to fix Cabilis faction.

[DMN]

5 agility because as a tank you will want to always be upgrading your gear and not want to have to worry about getting that 5 agility somewhere.

Then the question is do you see yourself soloing often? +5 Int +10stam
Grouping most of the time? + 10 stamina.
If the character isn't a serious long term character but just one for having fun, just putting them all into strength is fine, too. (after the 5 agility of course)

Rallos zek is probably the most favorably looked upon "evil" god by the "good" races, so you'll have a bit easier getting your faction out of KOS in most places.

[joradthepally]

So, I don't believe that the stat calculator is correct that Graventhel posted.... as Ogre SK with 144 Sta at lvl 10 I have over 300 hp trending 31 base hp gain per level saying I have 300 hp at lvl 10 plus 31hp per level x 50 more levels will put me at a base of 1850 where as if i go by the statistics chart it is telling me I will have somewhere around 1k hp at lvl 60. Maybe I'm doing the math wrong or just don't understand the chart?


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But yes I will go agi to 75 and the rest in sta

[Chryorn]

Just make a litte SK on Green and try how he does with 70 vs 75 agi against all those lvl 1 lizards. My impression is that my chars get hit harder when dropping below 75 due to being encumbered. And I found out that it is easy to get even an ogre encumbered with a little bit of loot and a full suit of large banded. :D
I will give my dwarf cleric those 5 AGI to reach 75.

The low INT is a bit painful because it slows down skill updates noticeably. But at least for my test SK the low mana pool wasn't a real problem. If I end up making a SK alt later I won't spend points on INT.

[dekova]

I like to look at stats from two different angles:
What is important, but isn't easily raised by gear?
What is important to have when you're on a naked corpse run?

For an SK, stamina falls into the first category and 75 agility falls into the second. On creation, I would bump agility to 75 and then put the remaining points into stamina.

I prefer Rallos Zek because it's all about being a warlord and laying waste to your opponents. Cazic Thule is about being terrified of your god and hoping to be spared if you spread enough fear. Roleplay only, but I prefer the thought of striding forward to test my mettle in battle than being petrified that if I don't scare others my god will punish me.

[uygi]

Just make a litte SK on Green and try how he does with 70 vs 75 agi against all those lvl 1 lizards.
I did this and I can tell you that the pain didn’t really start until the teens. The 10x XP also hurts extra because combat skills suck relative to level. By 20ish even 10x XP isn’t fast enough to keep skills down though, as long as you stick to 2HS...

[Chortles Snort|eS]

me notice enCuMbeRd much on teSt wit 20 STA
me Def go 20 STR whEn starT!
hoPe me helPs

[Cen]

RZ gives you dubious with giants in velious era.

Also ogres are the only race that can worship Him so he's the most unique shadowknight religion.

[pink grapefruit]

Rallos Zek literally led your people to the elemental planes to challenge the gods. How is this a hard decision? :cool:

[lonig]

Rallos Zek literally led your people to the elemental planes to challenge the gods. How is this a hard decision? :cool:

Sold.

[soronil]

I've seen some mention of the 75 AGI, and it seems like sold old posts don't think it matters much in classic era, but most recent discussion thinks it is. I plan to make it 75 on my SK, but I am curious what that actually is solving. I think it is an AC penalty? Is it big enough to matter on an Ogre SK?

When you are encumbered, or low on HP, your AGI will drop. This will make you slower, and easier to hit. It is definitely useful to have slightly higher than 75 AGI for this reason. When you are healthy and not overweight, those points over 75 are not very useful, but when you are almost dead or overweight is when you really wish you had a few more points. Ogres will max out the other stats (200) easy enough later on.

Lastly, any reason to go RZ over CT for religion on the Ogre SK? Seen some talk about religion quests/items (not sure if on release) and haven't seen any talk about Rallos Zek, most seems to talk about Innu who I cannot choose.
Just how hard it will be to do various faction work.
Paineel (not in at launch) will be easier as CT.
Bloodsabers (Human evils under qeynos with trainer/spells/bank) like CT ALOT more than Rallos Zek. Could be really useful if you spend time in Permafrost, for instance.
Almost everyone you care about else like Rallos Zek equal or more than Cazic Thule. (difference being some caster guilds)
Knight Keep (troll SK guild), dislikes Ogres but not enough to make you KOS i think. They like CT more than RZ.
For most others... The rule of thumb is "evil" factions like CT a little more, good factions tend to dislike RZ a little less. But most goodies hate Ogres a lot, and dislike Shadowknights, so many times you'll be KOS or dubious anyway.

I think CHA is similar in terms of vendor price being affected

You want to get to 76 CHA. I believe if you have 75 CHA, it is always worth spending 1 point. If you have 70, it is probably worth spending 6 points if this is your farming char. If you have 60, spend 1 point so you only need a crude stein to get to 76. Otherwise, don't worry about spending points on CHA, you'll just need to carry some items around later if you care to.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Game_Mechanics#Vendor_Pricing.2C_Charisma.2C_and_F action

[lonig]

Interesting info on CHA, soronil. And thanks for the diety info, looks like RK is still solid for general purpose.

I'm sold on RK, AGI+5, and still a bit torn on INT/STA, but leaning toward STA now.

[Gustoo]

On an ogre SK I would get Agility to 75 and I would put the rest into intelligence. Its really easy to max str and stamina.

Only other stat I would consider is dexterity for procs because it also won't get maxed very easy, but intelligence is way more useful to you all the time.

Thats my feelers.

Rallos Zek for sure hes a badass. Many warriors can worship rallos zek which is cool. He is also the god of the best PVP server so thats a bonus too.