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uygi
10-15-2019, 01:21 AM
Unsure when this is added and I am bad at research, but at release we didn't actually know what mobs had what faction hits.
Madbad
10-15-2019, 01:40 AM
Oh noo I remember this being added
uygi
10-15-2019, 01:49 AM
JUNE 27, 2001 (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010627.html)

Faction Fixes and More:
Also added a message that will let you know when you can no longer gain or lose faction with a certain group. It will say:
Your faction standing with could not possibly get any worse.
or
Your faction standing with could not possibly get any better.
uygi
10-15-2019, 01:52 AM
Having trouble finding the patch that initially added the faction messages :confused:
Dolalin
10-15-2019, 02:51 AM
The faction messages were either in at launch or very shortly after. Here's a post from March 30th 1999 talking about them.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.games.everquest/eHOFZwEkzC8/iCBXAZjEQtIJ
Dolalin
10-15-2019, 02:55 AM
Here's another post from Phase 3 beta talking about faction messages in the chat box. So all signs point to this being in game from the start, you're just remembering wrong.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.games.everquest/HSIB0owdea4/Rb265GcGBUgJ
Dolalin
10-15-2019, 05:38 AM
Looks like I'm wrong. It must have been broken for awhile and then fixed in early April, according to this post it was an undocumented change:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508033427/www.eq-online.com/forums/general/messages/1208.htm
Sunderfury
10-15-2019, 07:01 AM
Looks like I'm wrong. It must have been broken for awhile and then fixed in early April, according to this post it was an undocumented change:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508033427/www.eq-online.com/forums/general/messages/1208.htm

I'll edit the title for this, just not sure devs will incorporate.

I also interpreted this as quest faction was fine, just killing mobs that was broke.

If they do choose to implement, probably want to know if faction was truly being adjusted from kills or not.
Dolalin
10-15-2019, 07:03 AM
Not sure I'd want them to tbh. I don't think replicating that level of brokenness is worth it for one month.
Sunderfury
10-15-2019, 07:09 AM
And here I thought you were a purist ...
DMN
10-15-2019, 07:34 AM
Was the "fix/patch" about not getting faction hits?

Or not displaying faction hits for killing?


Should be easy to check forum post history about people killing in upper guk without becoming KOS,
DMN
10-15-2019, 08:13 AM
March '99. This guy must have been in at least the open beta. highly suggests the faction hits were working.

"Any SENTIENT thing you kill in game will adjust factions.
SOME non-sentient things adjust factions as well (I think I
remember seeing factions adjusted with some non-sentients)."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.games.everquest/_Mz5kYcM9MU/ALC9zheARkgJ
uygi
10-15-2019, 11:32 AM
Unsure if it was broken or not implemented. I didn’t play until P4 and there were no faction hits explicitly displayed then.

Very typical for druids and rangers to refuse to kill animals because they thought they’d lose their animal faction, etc. etc.

I recall it being a pretty early fix as well, but not at launch. Not sure how much it matters since we all know all of the factions hits now anyways.