No pet health and no pet command bar is bullshit

[ScottBerta]

What was the point of taking away the pet hot key commands and pet health bar. With only 10 visible hot key spots, now we need to fill them with at least 6-7 pet commands? And if that’s not bad enough now I can’t even see my pets health unless I constantly hit hot key or keep him targeted. What is the point in that? Not happy about these updates. I almost feel that for Shamans and SKs some won’t even use a pet anymore.. like we don’t have enough things to have hot keyed already.

[Jibartik]

I just spent 19 minuets setting up the hotkeys for my SK pet and then an armadillo poofed it in one hit.

I WANT A REFUND

[Delfofthebla]

"You now need to hotkey about 6 more buttons, here let me help by removing 3 of your hotbars."

[Ligma]

It is classic, and you are playing on a classic server. You should still be able to use hotkeys from the social window I think?

Back in the day I typed a lot of pet commands because you couldn't use a hotkey while casting

[Lostfaction]

you cant type pet commands while casting. pets are more a liability now

[Ligma]

Then that is not classic

[Hrothgar]

The odds of me getting a HHK nobles camp keep getting higher!! Go join vanilla WoW ye wee dinguses!

[loramin]

you cant type pet commands while casting. pets are more a liability now

Then that is not classic


Someone should submit some evidence to get it fixed then.

[vetia]

What was the point of taking away the pet hot key commands and pet health bar. With only 10 visible hot key spots, now we need to fill them with at least 6-7 pet commands? And if that’s not bad enough now I can’t even see my pets health unless I constantly hit hot key or keep him targeted. What is the point in that? Not happy about these updates. I almost feel that for Shamans and SKs some won’t even use a pet anymore.. like we don’t have enough things to have hot keyed already.

If you type or make a button for "/pet health" it gets reported to you in the text. Between the hot keys and the action window you should have plenty of space?

[Veroctyle]

Yeah, I'm of the opinion if you don't fix it for a year or more, it's a feature. Why now is it so important to fix?

[Valhurian]

Yeah, I'm of the opinion if you don't fix it for a year or more, it's a feature. Why now is it so important to fix?

Preach.

There is a whole slew of things that are not classic, most of which you guys take for granted to this very day.

Patches from January 2002 - June 2002

- NPC and PC corpses can now be /considered to find out how long until
they decay, and PC corpses additionally tell you how long you have to
resurrect them
- /ttell and /shownames commands introduced (Jan. 8)

Patches from July 2002 - December 2002
- /makeleader command introduced & LD group member no longer bugs the group (July 24)(CotH chain anyone?)

That's just to name a few "non-classic" things we get to use, so justifying the removal of pet window just because it's "non-classic" is absurdity.

[Prostatus]

LOL Forced UI and custom raid encounters. I think it might be time to take this thing out back and end its misery.

[Mblake81]

LOL Forced UI and custom raid encounters.

Sounds like original live. Forced UI between original UI/Velious UI and if they caught players doing something messed up at raids they changed it. Wasn't custom though.

I don't remember custom UIs coming until much later. Here is what you should be using in 4:3

https://i.imgur.com/SsXXnll.jpg

I think it might be time to take this thing out back and end its misery.

WoW is right over there.

[Droxx]

Modern MMOs have all you crybabies so coddled. EQ was fucking hard. That's why you're here right? Please continue crying as your tears do nothing but sustain the beautiful image of EQ.

[kjs86z]

rip my pet bar :(

[Videri]

With only 10 visible hot key spots, now we need to fill them with at least 6-7 pet commands?

Perhaps you knew this already, but there are more hotkey pages. Hit Shift 2 and put some pet command macros there. Or Shift 3, or Shift 4, all the way to 0 (aka 10). I hope this is helpful.

[Khikik]

Its classic

https://i.imgur.com/6WQYgnC.jpg

[Delfofthebla]

Its classic

What is with the obsession of "it's classic"? Shouldn't we be chasing the classic experience as a whole? Why does it have to be an exact copy paste? This hotbar shit was a horrible change that honestly ruined the game for me. I've played this server on and off for years and I don't think I'll ever log back in again.

[Sirken]

This is what happens when Sirken leaves and all these new guides show up and stink the place up.
Sorry folks.

https://i.imgur.com/d1BKRAF.gif

[Mblake81]

https://i.imgur.com/52IK2Xk.jpg

[branamil]

Its classic

https://i.imgur.com/6WQYgnC.jpg

That's funny because rooted dragons and linked guard aggro AREN'T classic.

[Mblake81]

That's funny because rooted dragons and linked guard aggro AREN'T classic.

Listen, if you can't come to terms here with changes the team makes, you are just going to have a bad time. Some things are a judgement call between "classic to the letter" and "recreating the classic experience".

Rooted ToV a prime example. Is zone line pulling a dragon to entrance solo instantly upon spawn the classic experience? Or is crawling to it? It is the raiding community that forced their hand here.

So finger pointing to things not removed yet that are not classic as an argument to keep other not classic features is a poor one. Look at the 10 years of patches, the server has taken a lot of work. They are working towards a finished product, so just prepare for future features to be removed or implemented.

[Mblake81]

Hoes still mad they can't zone pull for pixels. Green text in here laughing.

[Wonkie]

I don't understand? My UI is the same as it was before

Am I Blessed?>

[Kennie]

pet commands work while casting if you use the fourth tab on the action bar. Just use that as the pet window, has everything besides the health.

[alexdoofaz]

pet commands work while casting if you use the fourth tab on the action bar. Just use that as the pet window, has everything besides the health.

This. I’ve been trying to explain that to people all day today lol. No pet bar really isn’t that big of a deal. You can even add /pet health and click that to determine the obvious.

[hamirez2]

I agree! It was a horrible decison. If I was a returning player after 20 years it would be complicated to create all the keys and find out most options can be are behind ALT+O

Did Verant do it that worng? Maybe was a mistake fixed later?

Please get rid of the stupid keys as well. (I tried!)

[bilirubin]

Its classic

https://i.imgur.com/6WQYgnC.jpg


I still have 10 slot sharlok packs homie

[Legidias]

I hope there will be one more patch which changes log file to not be accessible by third party programs to disable GINA.

No more crutch gameplay!

[Sunderfury]

This is what happens when Sirken leaves and all these new guides show up and stink the place up.

Sorry folks.

Don't think you understand what a guide does. Zero input on development / content / mechanics / UI changes.

We pull your rotted corpses to EC to save all your gear you were too lazy to CR, flag items you deleted or dropped for reimbursement, and flag your failed hand ins for reimbursement saving you hundreds of hours and who knows how much plat.

In case you are wondering, those are ALL not classic benefits. If that happened in era you just pounded sand and either quit or moved on.

[Ennewi]

That's funny because rooted dragons and linked guard aggro AREN'T classic.

Playing EQ without a monthly subscription fee isn't classic either.

[BCPuma]

I honestly hate the fact that the Pet Window is completely gone, and that I have to use up Hotbuttons to make up for this missing window.

The only thing I would like to see back, and I think it is not too much to ask... is the small green pet heath bar that used to show between my HP & Mana bar...

Just bring that back, and I'd be happy. Not to mention it was great when in groups you could see who had pets up and how they were managing.

I mean seriously when you are grouped with someone you see their Health bar. Well I'm grouped with my pet, so why can't that still be there?

[shuklak]

Playing EQ without a monthly subscription fee isn't classic either.

Neither is finding no eq characters and loot on Ebay.

[JDFriend99]

Yeah, I'm of the opinion if you don't fix it for a year or more, it's a feature. Why now is it so important to fix?

It's not. They just want us on green to they can close red and blue and be done. It's no where close to classic. Since 2000 we had a pet window.

I played a Necro main for 7 yes before monk being my end toon. Never since did I have to use socials or type /pet kill or /pet back off. I wouldn't have ever played one pet alone scored best of the best. The trolls saying we never had pet window for go or commands are simply lying to help facilitate this transition.

Loramane it's time to go bro

[JDFriend99]

I wasn't implying that you had any input on development.

I was referring to the passive aggressive comments/gifs towards quality of life features. You know, non-classic stuff that's been around for a decade.

I second your comment bud. It's time we go. They don't care.

[Ennewi]

Neither is finding no eq characters and loot on Ebay.

A platlord customer tries to hit YOU, but YOU are INVULNERABLE!

[Wonkie]

I second your comment bud. It's time we go. They don't care.

Ok cya

[aaezil]

Mad / and or Bad

Welcome to classic EQ kiddos

[Tethler]

They just want us on green to they can close red and blue and be done.
News flash, green isn't gonna have a pet window either. Green is also gonna only have 6 hotkeys per page instead of the 10 on blue!


I played a Necro main for 7 yes before monk being my end toon. Never since did I have to use socials or type /pet kill or /pet back off. I wouldn't have ever played one pet alone scored best of the best. The trolls saying we never had pet window for go or commands are simply lying to help facilitate this transition.


Show proof or gtfo. I, for one, specifically remember having all those pet commands on my second or sometimes 3rd hotkey pages.

[aaezil]

I honestly hate the fact that the Pet Window is completely gone, and that I have to use up Hotbuttons to make up for this missing window.

The only thing I would like to see back, and I think it is not too much to ask... is the small green pet heath bar that used to show between my HP & Mana bar...

Just bring that back, and I'd be happy. Not to mention it was great when in groups you could see who had pets up and how they were managing.

I mean seriously when you are grouped with someone you see their Health bar. Well I'm grouped with my pet, so why can't that still be there?

You are playing a classic eq server.

Time to start acting like it.

[Danth]

News flash, green isn't gonna have a pet window either. Green is also gonna only have 6 hotkeys per page instead of the 10 on blue!

...And count your blessings they (seemingly) won't enforce the original periscope-window UI. Velious UI was a big step up from that.

Danth

[Jimjam]

Don't think you understand what a guide does. Zero input on development / content / mechanics / UI changes.

We pull your rotted corpses to EC to save all your gear you were too lazy to CR, flag items you deleted or dropped for reimbursement, and flag your failed hand ins for reimbursement saving you hundreds of hours and who knows how much plat.

In case you are wondering, those are ALL not classic benefits. If that happened in era you just pounded sand and either quit or moved on.

People always quick to say how important recharges are for p1999 economy. No one mentions how corpse rots were part of classic economy.

My favourite part of vanilla is how there are no items that are too important or irreplacable to lose. Kinda.

[LethClaypool]

Must be nice to have the energy to get so worked up about something that didn't cost you a dime to play...

[Dolalin]

Expert classic mode would be finding a way to disable the mousewheel-down follow-behind camera. It's what makes things like bard swarm kiting so feasible. Much harder with the classic cameras.

[Katran]

Don't think you understand what a guide does. Zero input on development / content / mechanics / UI changes.

We pull your rotted corpses to EC to save all your gear you were too lazy to CR, flag items you deleted or dropped for reimbursement, and flag your failed hand ins for reimbursement saving you hundreds of hours and who knows how much plat.

In case you are wondering, those are ALL not classic benefits. If that happened in era you just pounded sand and either quit or moved on.

Good reply :-)

[Mblake81]

It's not. They just want us on green to they can close red and blue and be done. It's no where close to classic. Since 2000 we had a pet window.

I played a Necro main for 7 yes before monk being my end toon. Never since did I have to use socials or type /pet kill or /pet back off. I wouldn't have ever played one pet alone scored best of the best. The trolls saying we never had pet window for go or commands are simply lying to help facilitate this transition.

I made a necro shortly before original launch of Kunark. There was no pet window. I had to make hotkeys. You had the original UI and Velious, can you link a pet window for those please to help us understand?

[Mblake81]

Note: Can't edit. Highlight year 2000.

[Mblake81]

Triple post :P

here I will start. This is a Skyfire screenshot.

https://i.imgur.com/0uTBqGJ.jpg

[Nexii]

People always quick to say how important recharges are for p1999 economy. No one mentions how corpse rots were part of classic economy.

My favourite part of vanilla is how there are no items that are too important or irreplacable to lose. Kinda.

I doubt many people had their corpses perma rot that petitioned in live era. Paying customers and all. Though I think typically they'd make you wait the 7 days

[Ghostly]

Don't think you understand what a guide does. Zero input on development / content / mechanics / UI changes.

We pull your rotted corpses to EC to save all your gear you were too lazy to CR, flag items you deleted or dropped for reimbursement, and flag your failed hand ins for reimbursement saving you hundreds of hours and who knows how much plat.

In case you are wondering, those are ALL not classic benefits. If that happened in era you just pounded sand and either quit or moved on.

This is a very un-guide-like way to post IMO.

[Dolalin]

This is a very un-guide-like way to post IMO.

I was a guide on live. This is how guides post after about 4 weeks of doing the job.

[Mblake81]

This is a very un-guide-like way to post IMO.

It is borderline, ill give you that. I am not hating though, refreshing every now and then. (http://www.erollisimarr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4061)

/\ reading the replies, its the same guys here.

Some saying "woo hoo"
Others saying "omg no"

[Brocode]

https://i.imgflip.com/3a2mok.jpg

[Ghostly]

https://i.imgur.com/d1BKRAF.gif

You may want to change your signature... You know, cause of that whole thing.. where you did that stuff?

[Mblake81]

Observation about the pet photo linked at the end of page 5. Old school cheeseballs knew how to pick a decent fantasy guild name.

<Dad Shorts>

<Used Gym'Sock>

<Starbucks Coffeebrew>

[Prostatus]

You are playing a classic eq server.

Time to start acting like it.

Ivandyrs Hoop
Zlandicar
Flurry Drakes with tied agro
Rooted Dragons
Item Linking

Your playing on a Custom Server

[fadetree]

You're playing on a Custom Server

But anyways.....so much mad about so little. TAKP has a pet window......just sayin.

[aaezil]

Ivandyrs Hoop
Zlandicar
Flurry Drakes with tied agro
Rooted Dragons
Item Linking

Your playing on a Custom Server

Originally Posted by Sunderfury View Post
Listen, if you can't come to terms here with changes the team makes, you are just going to have a bad time. Some things are a judgement call between "classic to the letter" and "recreating the classic experience".

Rooted ToV a prime example. Is zone line pulling a dragon to entrance solo instantly upon spawn the classic experience? Or is crawling to it? It is the raiding community that forced their hand here.

So finger pointing to things not removed yet that are not classic as an argument to keep other not classic features is a poor one. Look at the 10 years of patches, the server has taken a lot of work. They are working towards a finished product, so just prepare for future features to be removed or implemented.

[loramin]

I doubt many people had their corpses perma rot that petitioned in live era. Paying customers and all. Though I think typically they'd make you wait the 7 days

This is a very un-guide-like way to post IMO.

Actually, we have the original Kunark era GM guide book in our beloved wiki (though I only formatted the first part):

http://wiki.project1999.com/Kunark_Era_Customer_Service_Guidelines

If you do a find for "corpse" you'll see a lot of stuff about GMs retrieving un-poofed corpse (from lava, from under the world, etc.). However, you'll see exactly zero references to them recovering expired corpses (or at least that's how many I found).

I really don't think that's something the GMs even had the capability of doing back then. Maybe later on they did, but it doesn't seem so in Kunark.

If someone did let their corpse rot back then (instead of petitioning a GM for a retrieval) I think it was gone for good.

[aaezil]

People werent lazy and didnt let their stuff rot... i cant believe its such a common thing here.

I guess when you give people the crutch they will always over use it and abuse it.

[Daldaen]

Guides shouldn’t help on rotted corpses, shouldn’t help on failed quest turn ins, and shouldn’t intervene in player raid or group/solo camp disputes.

They should be fixing stuck characters and things of that nature that are well outside the player’s hands.

P99 players have gotten too familiar with GM Intervention, they come to expect it. This makes for weak players who then complain about unclassic windows being removed because they can’t figure out how to make their own hotkeys to play the game as classic intended.

[bigjeff100]

Guides shouldn’t help on rotted corpses, shouldn’t help on failed quest turn ins, and shouldn’t intervene in player raid or group/solo camp disputes.

They should be fixing stuck characters and things of that nature that are well outside the player’s hands.

P99 players have gotten too familiar with GM Intervention, they come to expect it. This makes for weak players who then complain about unclassic windows being removed because they can’t figure out how to make their own hotkeys to play the game as classic intended.

I easily agree with the corpse intervention. Unless a corpse is unreachable, be responsible for your own death. You have a week or whatever to get it back... Shouldn't go solo in plane of fear if you have to leave town for 2 weeks without computer access.. Be an adult.

[Rogean]

Not sure where you get your information but guides have standing policy to not assist with corpse recoveries unless the corpse is stuck in geometry, or it expired. We don't assist with botched MQ's either.

PnP Enforcement was definitely a job of the Guides and GM staff back in Clasisc.

[mattydef]

I wasn't implying that you had any input on development.

I was referring to the passive aggressive comments/gifs towards quality of life features. You know, non-classic stuff that's been around for a decade.

The GM's have always posted passive aggressive comments/gifs, including Sirken. Don't know why you think this is somehow a new thing.

[Ghostly]

The GM's have always posted passive aggressive comments/gifs, including Sirken. Don't know why you think this is somehow a new thing.

Not classic.

[bigjeff100]

Not sure where you get your information but guides have standing policy to not assist with corpse recoveries unless the corpse is stuck in geometry, or it expired. We don't assist with botched MQ's either.

PnP Enforcement was definitely a job of the Guides and GM staff back in Clasisc.

But why even assist with returning expired corpses?

[Mblake81]

Ivandyrs Hoop
Zlandicar
Flurry Drakes with tied agro
Rooted Dragons
Item Linking

Your playing on a Custom Server

Players aren't classic. Figured out how to break Ivandyrs Hoop and using recharges to continue doing it... nah bro nothing wrong here. Just because I never heard of it in era doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I lurk forums I am into pretty hard then and now. I never remember seeing someone post about it, sure some can keep secrets but come on.. a guild instant killing a raid mob would get telescoped by the first GM that noticed. People brag just as much now and gossip has never changed. Please link some examples.

Rooted Dragon, give it a rest. Easy pixels doing something they would have slammed your dink in the door for back then. Players not classic so they break it here and one of the green texts let it go on for years spoiling the entitled cry babies. Please link some examples.

Item Links, sure. Agreed.

I can repost this BS just as much as a guy with pro status.

[Jibartik]

Guides shouldn’t help on rotted corpses, shouldn’t help on failed quest turn ins, and shouldn’t intervene in player raid or group/solo camp disputes.

They should be fixing stuck characters and things of that nature that are well outside the player’s hands.

P99 players have gotten too familiar with GM Intervention, they come to expect it. This makes for weak players who then complain about unclassic windows being removed because they can’t figure out how to make their own hotkeys to play the game as classic intended.

Meanwhile you could dig up posts from 10 years ago where people are like OH NO COMPASS GONE!?? NOOOO!!!!

Nah, I dont think that is the reason. This isnt a "god damn new players" population problem. This is just regular gamer nerd bullstuff.

The old players would be crying too if they hadnt quit already. Hell, you're an old player and here you are complaining about the staff choices the same as them. So yeah, I don't think this is a result of CSR summoning corpses of players who have jobs, families, and lives now.

[Jimjam]

I haven't logged in since compass was removed. It completely broke the game.

[PieOats]

Dear O(regional)P(oyster),

(I) Allow myself to share some thots with you:

1.) if you did not rely on modern (out of era, henceforth OOE) voice chat tools to facilitate you're *elfplay*, youd be able to weave slashpet commands and emotes alike between presses of "wasdspace"and "1" -through- "0".
TWO.) your gay
4.) why would you expect to have any idea of your pet's general vigor without looking at him (or her as the case may be)?

Sincerely,

good sense

[ReadOnly]

If someone did let their corpse rot back then (instead of petitioning a GM for a retrieval) I think it was gone for good.

As a 20 something rogue back in Original EQ, I fell off the boat in OOT (after taking a long time zoning, spawned behind the boat and fell in the water). After swimming around a bit, was eventually killed by a shark. Was unable to recover corpse, had no idea about Locate Corpse spells and all that.
Eventually petitioned, a GM appeared and handed me 3 NODROP backpacks filled with NODROP basic leather gear and some lowbie piercer weapon (also NODROP). Pretty sure they did not summon corpses for you.

[Izmael]

They totally did NOT summon corpses for you and certainly didn't restore rotten corpses.

That's why you avoided letting your corpse rot. Having a high level geared corpse rot did happen (rarely), and the gear was lost forever. I think usually it probably usually happened for some "external" reasons. For example, dad rage ripping power cord out and removing the PC from player's room.

Now that would be classic. I never understood why the corpses were restored on-demand, here.

[bigjeff100]

They totally did NOT summon corpses for you and certainly didn't restore rotten corpses.

That's why you avoided letting your corpse rot. Having a high level geared corpse rot did happen (rarely), and the gear was lost forever. I think usually it probably usually happened for some "external" reasons. For example, dad rage ripping power cord out and removing the PC from player's room.

Now that would be classic. I never understood why the corpses were restored on-demand, here.

#Preach

[Lordgordon]

I still have red wood wands with 144 charges do sumfin

[Mblake81]

between presses of "wasdspace"

...crossing your mouse hand over your key hand to tap space to jump.

https://i.imgur.com/aBkaWTm.jpg

[kaizersoze]

earth staff just plummeted in price because mages are giant crybabies. OP is clearly an earth staff RMTer whos livelihood was ruined by the patch.

[skateosiris89]

We demand the classic experience! We demand to pay a monthly subscription fee!

[Delfofthebla]

We demand the classic experience! We demand to pay a monthly subscription fee!

I'd pay a monthly fee if it brought my UI back.

[HedleyKow]

I hope the make green server as classic as possible. Even the horrendous original UI and having to look at spellbook to med.

However, I also hope when the green server comes out they revert the UI changes on blue and maybe bring back non-classic quality of life things like buff timers.

[Tecmos Deception]

F1 F1 so hard.

[Tecmos Deception]

I hope the make green server as classic as possible. Even the horrendous original UI and having to look at spellbook to med.

However, I also hope when the green server comes out they revert the UI changes on blue and maybe bring back non-classic quality of life things like buff timers.

1-35 are the best levels. So immersive, sitting there studying my spell order in my spellbook as I med.

They'll delete blue when green launches.

[Jibartik]

reported for making RMT accusations in serverchat.

[kaizersoze]

I hope enchanters enjoyed their time at the top, the future is now, old men.

[Mblake81]

However, I also hope when the green server comes out they revert the UI changes on blue and maybe bring back non-classic quality of life things like buff timers.

We played standing on our heads and gaming with our feet, in era. Different times.

[derpcake2]

I haven't logged in since compass was removed. It completely broke the game.

literally unplayable, i've demanded a refund

[gildor]

reported for making RMT accusations in serverchat.

not accusations, truth..he posted it himself lol

[Wonkie]

Restoring the pet window has made this game literally unplayable for me

Pls fix

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

It’s so bad I’m pretty much done logging in

*logs in nightly through 2023*

Stfu nerds