Hot bar 2 disabled

[GinnasP99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

[loramin]

This is going to make improving Sense Heading (among many other things) a lot more annoying. I'm not sure I quite feel like Steve Carell, but it's a bummer for sure.

[Budder]

Was the patch really necessary? Seems things were fine the way they were...

[Andipooo]

Well done, guys. What an improved experience for everyone. Definitely don't waste any time fucking fixing spells that have been broken for the better part of a decade when you can spend your presumably finite life making things shitty.

[Twochain]

Well done, guys. What an improved experience for everyone. Definitely don't waste any time fucking fixing spells that have been broken for the better part of a decade when you can spend your presumably finite life making things shitty.

Hey fuck head, the only reason you have a classic Everquest experience at ALL is due to Rogean and friends spending countless hours coding this shit for free? And you come here, presumably play for hundreds of hours for free... and shit on them over a fucking hotbar? You need to fucking check yourself

(Shiiiit I used hot bar 2 for so many things xD)

[Hrothgar]

Hey fuck head, the only reason you have a classic Everquest experience at ALL is due to Rogean and friends spending countless hours coding this shit for free? And you come here, presumably play for hundreds of hours for free... and shit on them over a fucking hotbar? You need to fucking check yourself

(Shiiiit I used hot bar 2 for so many things xD)

^^^
What he said!

[Blitzers]

At this point on the server, good gameplay should be priority #1, I appreciate the effort and hard work Rogean has put into this game, but at the same time disabling a hot bar that has been used by players for years now does nothing but reduce the enjoyment of playing the game. You may cry non classic or whatever, but it still doesn’t make gameplay any better which should be the focus of p99 imo.

[Ennewi]

Nostalgic flashbacks from the outcry.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84587

[Buhbuh]

you guys are still pullin out that "do it for free" rhetoric? that line of argument got trounced and buried like half a decade ago.

how are people not on classic wow? lol

[Chortles Snort|eS]

me look forward to forced 1024x768 classic ui

[Damarous]

At this point on the server, good gameplay should be priority #1, I appreciate the effort and hard work Rogean has put into this game, but at the same time disabling a hot bar that has been used by players for years now does nothing but reduce the enjoyment of playing the game. You may cry non classic or whatever, but it still doesn’t make gameplay any better which should be the focus of p99 imo.

your opinion doesn't matter. The point of P99 was to be as classic as possible.

[m00r5tuD]

your opinion doesn't matter. The point of P99 was to be as classic as possible.

Hmm. Then why do we have Flurry Drakes and rooted dragons in Velious? :eek:

[Daldaen]

You have rooted dragons because over 3 years nerds couldn't be reasonable and instead insisted on pulling dragons from the back of NToV to the entrance or zone out and would track for 16 hours straight to do this.

Not a classic experience. So they rooted them to enforced a classic experience in crawling to dragons.

Just like its a classic experience to have limited hotkey and get used to using Shift + # to tab through your hotkey pages.

[ralyn]

Hey fuck head, the only reason you have a classic Everquest experience at ALL is due to Rogean and friends spending countless hours coding this shit for free? And you come here, presumably play for hundreds of hours for free... and shit on them over a fucking hotbar? You need to fucking check yourself

(Shiiiit I used hot bar 2 for so many things xD)

Nailed It!

[bilirubin]

Y’all complaining about missing a hotbar when enchanters, mages, and necros lost their entire pet window smh

[aaezil]

At this point on the server, good gameplay should be priority #1, I appreciate the effort and hard work Rogean has put into this game, but at the same time disabling a hot bar that has been used by players for years now does nothing but reduce the enjoyment of playing the game. You may cry non classic or whatever, but it still doesn’t make gameplay any better which should be the focus of p99 imo.

This guys tears are delicious

[ralyn]

Y’all complaining about missing a hotbar when enchanters, mages, and necros lost their entire pet window smh

It is literally not that hard to figure out how to replicate the exact same stuff.

Finding about this as your racing to targets kind of sucks but it can be done. (we did it, AM did it, Riot did it).

But at the end of the day there is no reason to blast the Dev team, I can't even imagine how much time they spend to give us what we have for free.

Really should just be appreciative and give a thanks

[wtsgoodtime]

This seems like an unfortunate step backwards. I guess if this is going to stay, people need to relearn all of their hotkeys. Make a lot of use of shift # to go to the page with the hotkey.

[bilirubin]

It is literally not that hard to figure this out how to replicate the exact same stuff.

Finding about this as your reaching to targets kind of sucks but it can be done.

But at the end of the day there is no reason to blast the Dev team, I can't even imagine how much time they spend to give us what we have for free.

Really should just be appreciative and give a thanks

Oh I am appreciative, just funny how melees are freaking out about not having hotbar 2 for their clickies when casters have lost their pet window which was so very useful...

[ralyn]

Oh I am appreciative, just funny how melees are freaking out about not having hotbar 2 for their clickies when casters have lost their pet window which was so very useful...

I have not gotten on my pet classes yet, but you can literally make a macro to do everything. I think the only thing that is not easier is being able to see your pets health at all times (F1 twice solves that though)

And not sure he many melee you have, but as a Monk I have a ton of macros. It is just me reorganizing what I need.

For instance, I have one of my hotbar pages for solo, one for groups, one for raids. Basically on what I'm doing, I can just go to page 3 and all my macros are there for raid pulling.

Think outside of the box

That said, my "appreciative" content was directed to Andipooo...

[Jadian]

Holy shit people love to whine. They took away something you were never intended to have and people start crying like they actually lost something that matters?

[Ligma]

The huge benefit of pet window is you could use it while casting spells. I remember way back in the day soloing black reavers on my mage chaining earth pets. Would have to /pet back off then spam shift-up to blow summon then quickly type /pet get lost.

Shits classic, get over it.

[alexdoofaz]

Hey fuck head, the only reason you have a classic Everquest experience at ALL is due to Rogean and friends spending countless hours coding this shit for free? And you come here, presumably play for hundreds of hours for free... and shit on them over a fucking hotbar? You need to fucking check yourself

(Shiiiit I used hot bar 2 for so many things xD)

Amen dude we gotta be thankful for everything we have going on. Fuck the haters our great creators of this experiment don’t deserve any flack. Only THANK YOUS! This server is the best EQ experience out there and the fact that it’s free and moderated sufficiently is almost too good to be true.

[monkeydoc]

It is literally not that hard to figure out how to replicate the exact same stuff.

Finding about this as your racing to targets kind of sucks but it can be done. (we did it, AM did it, Riot did it).

But at the end of the day there is no reason to blast the Dev team, I can't even imagine how much time they spend to give us what we have for free.

Really should just be appreciative and give a thanks

[Twochain]

You have rooted dragons because over 3 years nerds couldn't be reasonable and instead insisted on pulling dragons from the back of NToV to the entrance or zone out and would track for 16 hours straight to do this.

Not a classic experience. So they rooted them to enforced a classic experience in crawling to dragons.

Just like its a classic experience to have limited hotkey and get used to using Shift + # to tab through your hotkey pages.

The entrance pulling wasn't what made nerds unreasonable. Bringing 240 people to kill Vulak as the #1 guild on the server isn't classic either. Great input.

[Fammaden]

The entrance pulling wasn't what made nerds unreasonable. Bringing 240 people to kill Vulak as the #1 guild on the server isn't classic either. Great input.

You know what's much more classic than either of these things? Rotations.

[Delfofthebla]

They legitimately just ruined the game for me.

In what world was this a "good" change?

[branamil]

No its cool, mobs pathing through the walls and ceiling is fine but we need to take away player convenience

[El-Hefe]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/0cf8b8b298edf6e0f297839451042dd6/tenor.gif?itemid=5412476

[Molitoth]

You know what's much more classic than either of these things? Rotations.

AM doesn't rotate with casuals.

Hence, Riot was born.

[BoneyBoney]

They legitimately just ruined the game for me.

In what world was this a "good" change?

Me too.

The really sad thing is that this, P1999, is a huge nostalgia trip for me. It takes you back to a time when MMOs were in their infancy and everything was amazing.

None of these changes improves the game. I can personally live with one hotbar (have done the whole time) but now the pet window has gone, it means tabbing between views to click of spells and put group text up. It enhances nothing, not that anything needs to be enhanced but taking things away that have been in use for so long just doesn't add anything. It's destructive.

And lets not talk about the 60hz cap forced onto us. Going from 144 to that is worse than going from 60 to a janky 30. Also game killing.

With only Daybreak as a viable alternative, I guess my Everquest days are over.

[kjs86z]

I only used one hotbar anyway...

...really sucks for enchanters and necros w/o a pet window when charming.

[Khikik]

Its classic

https://i.imgur.com/6WQYgnC.jpg

[Wonkie]

They legitimately just ruined the game for me.

In what world was this a "good" change?

Norrath circa 1999

[Wonkie]

No its cool, mobs pathing through the walls and ceiling is fine but we need to take away player convenience

this is also EXTREMELY classic :)

[Ligma]

Pro tip to expand hot bars: hotkey in second slot of second page, third slot of third page, ect. Shift-2, 2. Does that really take any longer than pressing 2?

[Kimmie]

Guys, it's okay... All of P99's trials and tribulations over the years have prepared us for this one moment... We can make it through, y'all

[matticas]

Hey fuck head, the only reason you have a classic Everquest experience at ALL is due to Rogean and friends spending countless hours coding this shit for free? And you come here, presumably play for hundreds of hours for free... and shit on them over a fucking hotbar? You need to fucking check yourself

(Shiiiit I used hot bar 2 for so many things xD)

This.

I never used more than one hot bar.

But I do play on Mac...hopefully can get the game booting up again.

Regardless, my thanks to the devs for all the fun. You guys deserve a better community than these ungrateful troglodytes.

[azeth]

Me too.

The really sad thing is that this, P1999, is a huge nostalgia trip for me. It takes you back to a time when MMOs were in their infancy and everything was amazing.

None of these changes improves the game. I can personally live with one hotbar (have done the whole time) but now the pet window has gone, it means tabbing between views to click of spells and put group text up. It enhances nothing, not that anything needs to be enhanced but taking things away that have been in use for so long just doesn't add anything. It's destructive.

And lets not talk about the 60hz cap forced onto us. Going from 144 to that is worse than going from 60 to a janky 30. Also game killing.

With only Daybreak as a viable alternative, I guess my Everquest days are over.

You discovered today that you don't like classic EQ, and that's okay

[Mblake81]

It takes you back to a time when MMOs were in their infancy.

Like taking a F1 engine from 2019 back to 1960.

"What do you mean I can't use it? I want classic nostalgia, gimme my 700hp 16,000 RPM monster back.. noooo not one of these old engines, its not the same!"

[GinnasP99]

Its classic

https://i.imgur.com/6WQYgnC.jpg

lol

[gundumbwing]

The no pet bar would be easier to digest if they fixed mage pets to the classic levels and not the undertuned p99 version we currently have.

It is what it is, and I'm enjoying wow classic.

[Mblake81]

I'm enjoying wow classic.

Cool, thanks for dropping in while queing for raid.

[gundumbwing]

Cool, thanks for dropping in while queing for raid.

WoW classic. Not WoW retail. Good on you for trying though.

[Wonkie]

WoW classic. Not WoW retail. Good on you for trying though.

i think there's an lfg mod all the normies use, so he's kinda right 6 months from now.

[gundumbwing]

i think there's an lfg mod all the normies use, so he's kinda right 6 months from now.

Blizzard disabled that add-on day 1. So, no. He is 100% wrong.

[Wonkie]

Blizzard disabled that add-on day 1. So, no. He is 100% wrong.

oh that kicks ass ty!

[fuckshit22]

oh that kicks ass ty!

just /join lfg, global channel for filling your ZF farm group with mages. problem solved no mods needed. Having a blast in classic wow, it looks like p99 is going to shit rapidly, have fun white knighting the changes guys, it all looks pretty retarded from over here.

[aaezil]

All you noobs who never played real clasic eq are showing ;)

[fuckshit22]

All you noobs who never played real clasic eq are showing ;)

why are pet classes penalized xp for using their pets? that ain't classic.

[Jimjam]

This seems like an unfortunate step backwards. I guess if this is going to stay, people need to relearn all of their hotkeys. Make a lot of use of shift # to go to the page with the hotkey.

2019 -> 2001

Of course its a step backwards. Thats the entire point of the server.

Hope this helps.

[Ennewi]

2019 -> 2001

Of course its a step backwards. Thats the entire point of the server.

Hope this helps.

One small step for an elf, one giant leap for elfkind.

[aaezil]

2019 -> 2001

Of course its a step backwards. Thats the entire point of the server.

Hope this helps.

[Tethler]

What's a "hot bar 2"? I always played p99 without using custom UI's, so my only real UI change to adjust to is using the social box as my new pet window.

[Jimjam]

What's a "hot bar 2"? I always played p99 without using custom UI's, so my only real UI change to adjust to is using the social box as my new pet window.

Classic!

[Dotgov]

(Shiiiit I used hot bar 2 for so many things xD)

K..

[cashrip]

All these people getting mad and I didn’t event know I could have a second hot bar

[Mblake81]

All these people getting mad and I didn’t event know I could have a second hot bar

Four hot bars. Might've been a titanium thing. Was in the options, had to assign them to a key to toggle on.

[Jadian]

All this crying is EXACTLY why WoW classic is actually popular right now. Go back to your games on easy mode with your cheats turned on, this isn't that game.

[Twochain]

You know what's much more classic than either of these things? Rotations.

Blah i'd probably prefer it.

K..

???? k? All I said was that I used hotbar 2. Not that it's going to ruin my Classic EQ experience or anything like that..

[hamirez2]

Gratz you made the game more classic and also worse. I hope it isnt the objective for your lives as well.

Missing a lot the pet window and 2nd hotbar.

[hamirez2]

All these people getting mad and I didn’t event know I could have a second hot bar

Because you had the pet window?

[enjchanter]

Was a little jarring at first but have adapted and am playing at nearly full capacity again. Got gud

[SteppinnRazor]

server is gay and staff is retarded / obese

[Demoraliser]

Send /pet back
Send /pet attack

https://i.imgur.com/mxN7hRS.gif

[paegan3]

what a dogshit patch

[Hibbs]

Where's Rygor at? He would have something good to say about you cry babies not being able to handle true classic. haha

[Dotgov]

I heard Dotguv had Feign Death on hotbar 2. I guess he'll have to contribute to raids now!

We found Karen

Yea. Us vs them mentality. Forming groups (against the rules), buffing each other (against the rules) using voice chat to communicate (lame), and using wort pots and other consumables (lol guild funds).

I appreciate the effort put forth by the staff, however.

[Lobster1071]

Being 100% classic shouldn't be the goal, and it is definitely NOT the state of the current game. We could all find 200 things in the game that aren't "classic", so that point is moot. Every time someone points out something that isn't classic, the response is always "yeah, but here's why that was done..." So...the fact is, it's not classic. Period.

For me, the issue with the patch is simple playability. Yes we can all find ways around things with this recent patch, but my question is why? The last patch was pretty much perfect for all of us. The pet window elimination was bad enough. Then they eliminate hot bars too :( I think that was worse. It's like I have to use a Google search to find my macro buttons now.

Yes, everything that was done you can "get around", but everything feels clunky and delays response time, that's all. Yes, we can put all pet macros on the ONE hotbar we are allowed. But we have to use Shift#2, Shift#3, Shift#4, etc etc to find something that was all displayed nicely on one screen before. It feels like to get a simple thing like finding out your pet's health is an 84 button click fest now. I feel like I'm a senior citizen playing.

The positives I found with the patch are targeted group buffs (you can cast groups buffs on your pet too!), awesome, awesome change, oh, and the monk triple attack of course.

So anyway, yes many of us will continue to play for the love of the game. It just was a real rug puller for many of us. Too bad this was the ultimate goal and last (?) patch.

[BoneyBoney]

All this crying is EXACTLY why WoW classic is actually popular right now. Go back to your games on easy mode with your cheats turned on, this isn't that game.

Typical knee-jerk with no basis in reality.

Please explain how a pet window and more than one hotbar means pre-patch P1999 was anywhere near WoW?

Those aspects of the client are QoL changes to the fucking interface, with zero effect on game difficulty, as the pet buttons can be emulated in the social window anyway. All this does is force players to jump through stupid, needless hoops to achieve the same result.

Pointless. Much like your comment.

[Mblake81]

All this does is force players to jump through stupid, needless hoops to achieve the same result.

Pointless. Much like your comment.

In era we played standing on our heads and gaming with our feet, amazing to think back on but why didn't even one think of sitting and using hands.

[Mblake81]

Alright, troll mask illusion clicked off.

Some of what you are complaining about might make your eyes open as to why things are easier here and people do things they couldn't back then.

Jimjam detailed the hoop jumping and how to achieve the same thing. I didn't know about that in era or binding sense heading to movement. I clicked everything.

For the record when it comes to my necro, I started one because of a forum post. This guy had made this super detailed how-to. He had you going all around the original world of norrath (pre-kunark) and camping some mob for one or two levels. I liked the idea to see more of the world so I created one. Anyway, how this pertains to pets is the guy would mention how long a pet should last (max summon). For example: "When you send Gobaner in you will be able to cast darkness and one of your dots, by this time he is 40% health. This gives you enough space to cast fear if its resisted the first time". This gave some reference and eventually you got a feel for what you are doing.

If you have been playing eq any amount of time now, with a gauge for how long a pet or charms will last before death, but are complaining about having to remember that and pay attention then what do you expect someone to say?

It sure as hell isn't you're right

[Mblake81]

Triple post triggered malarkey

Hell spell timers.. there wasn't information on what spells did or how long they last. You had to figure it out.

EQ had people that could figure it out, then bring that info to others.

I am not talking about game breaking mechanics but referring to the plain jane game itself.

You need a gauge to play...

[BoneyBoney]

If you have been playing eq any amount of time now, with a gauge for how long a pet or charms will last before death, but are complaining about having to remember that and pay attention then what do you expect someone to say?

It sure as hell isn't you're right

But it's not just that. It's not just that a pet window has gone, it's that the command replacements for that missing window now, to be clickable off the keyboard, need to go into the hotbar, the now single hotbar.

Yes you can use social as a ghetto pet window instead, but that then requires a mouse click, not a keyboard click.

Yes, you can put these pet commands onto a hotbar but then there goes your spells being clicked off, forcing you to page up and down.

But wait, to also now get pet health, if you page up for a spell you can't press of a key to report pet health because you're on the wrong page.

You know all this. The cries of "It's classic!" hold no water, when there are multitudes of worse things that are also not classic, left as is. Linkable items? Back in the day, I vividly remember having to create /auction buttons listing item stats and details but apparently here, that particular function, as a QoL improvement, can stay?

All this has done is made pet classes more awkward to play. Not more difficult, just more awkward and frustrating. Ergo, it was a pointless, needless update.

[rebeccablack]

lol @ at these people writing 4000 word essays about how a classic change is bad because other things arent classic blah blah blah

bye nerds

[Mblake81]

But it's not just that. It's not just that a pet window has gone, it's that the command replacements for that missing window now, to be clickable off the keyboard, need to go into the hotbar, the now single hotbar.

Yes you can use social as a ghetto pet window instead, but that then requires a mouse click, not a keyboard click.

Yes, you can put these pet commands onto a hotbar but then there goes your spells being clicked off, forcing you to page up and down.

But wait, to also now get pet health, if you page up for a spell you can't press of a key to report pet health because you're on the wrong page.

You know all this. The cries of "It's classic!" hold no water, when there are multitudes of worse things that are also not classic, left as is. Linkable items? Back in the day, I vividly remember having to create /auction buttons listing item stats and details but apparently here, that particular function, as a QoL improvement, can stay?

All this has done is made pet classes more awkward to play. Not more difficult, just more awkward and frustrating. Ergo, it was a pointless, needless update.

Why wouldn't you click with the mouse?

[BoneyBoney]

Why wouldn't you click with the mouse?

You're asking why I'd risk using a mouse pointer to locate a small(er) button, now, over a keypress?

You're asking the wrong questions, to the wrong person. Making a class more frustrating to play, not more difficult or challenging, cannot be seen as a good thing.

[Mblake81]

You're asking why I'd risk using a mouse pointer to locate a small(er) button, now, over a keypress?

You're asking the wrong questions, to the wrong person. Making a class more frustrating to play, not more difficult or challenging, cannot be seen as a good thing.

How would you have done it in era? honest question.

[Fammaden]

How would you have done it in era? honest question.

See, the vast majority of the people losing their shit over this are powergamer minded individuals who gravitated towards classes like bard and chanter because they found out those were the OMG SO OP classes in P99. Now that someone moved their cheese slightly deeper into the maze they are filled with RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION and have many sudden opinions on "classic" things.

So they are all either going to get over it and adapt, or just switch to playing their fungi twinked monks instead. A few might quit and/or play WoW instead.

[BoneyBoney]

How would you have done it in era? honest question.

We're not in era, that's the point.

[Mblake81]

We're not in era, that's the point.

New account. Oh, you are reverse trolling people to see who agrees with you.

Good lord. Haven't we had enough of that the last nine years.

*sigh* carry on.

[BoneyBoney]

New account. Oh, you are reverse trolling people to see who agrees with you.


Is that your real reply, to ignore that we're not in era as to why removing era-absent UI features holds no water?

And actually I've been on P1999, in total, on and off, for years. I just couldn't retrieve my forum profile because I couldn't remember the original email used.

But yeah, you just keep holding those fingers in your ears and pretending this isn't a big issue for pet classes.

[Mblake81]

Carry on, forget i said anything.

[derpcake2]

disabling hotbars was a great move back to classic

i hope they manage to enforce the true classic UI as soon as possible

green should have meditation which involves an open spellbook covering the entire viewport

[Wonkie]

All this does is force players to jump through stupid, needless hoops

you're describing video games

[Mblake81]

that's 4:3

If they force 4:3 monitor usage or black bar windowed mode, im cool with it. One more reason to switch over.. aside from a collection of games all made in that ratio.

[Danth]

that's 4:3

If they force 4:3 monitor usage or black bar windowed mode, im cool with it. One more reason to switch over.. aside from a collection of games all made in that ratio.

Heck I already run it in 4:3 because using widescreen view mode reduces actual field of vision on our client. Eq-Titanium widescreen is a fraud. Lot of the remaining desired changes (working stamina bar, working spellbook meditating, etc) would seemingly require a client change.

Danth

[Mblake81]

The stamina bar hardly gets talked about. Its the reason stamina spells exist iirc.. that instant click crown is supposed to be god like.

Imagine the shit posts if they got that working correctly.

[Jimjam]

You're asking why I'd risk using a mouse pointer to locate a small(er) button, now, over a keypress?

You're asking the wrong questions, to the wrong person. Making a class more frustrating to play, not more difficult or challenging, cannot be seen as a good thing.

Mate the ui is customisable. Make them buttons as large or small as your weary hand needs.

[Not_Mikeo]

Rogean and friends spending countless hours coding this shit for free

:rolleyes:;)

[Briq]

People put spells on their hotbar?!?! Why not just ALT + # to cast, friends?

[Sunderfury]

Linkable items? Back in the day, I vividly remember having to create /auction buttons listing item stats and details but apparently here, that particular function, as a QoL improvement, can stay?


You aren't wrong about Linkable items not existing in classic, but Haynar at least has been on record as saying they were left in, I believe, to prevent trade scamming and alleviate CSR burden (same concept as FTE messages which didn't exist but alleviate CSR burden).

Who knows if that changes eventually.

[fan D]

to paraphrase Nilbog

this server is here as a museum, they dont care if 1 player or 1000 players play on it, its here to be an everquest museum

no1 cares about yuor gameplay

[Grimlust666]

Why get rid of the pet window? My god that really does put a stick up my ass as enchanter. Why even log onto the toon now.

[Xenmir]

Why get rid of the pet window? My god that really does put a stick up my ass as enchanter. Why even log onto the toon now.

Pet window's back.