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kekeshi
08-14-2019, 01:28 AM
After experiencing their worst cycle in years AM leadership is in shambles. With Detoxx MIA and long-time members reserving names for classic WoW Aftermath will now assume its rightful place within the premier casual guild alliance. Questions remain. What is the conversion rate on DKP to RAP? Who will lead this rag tag band of misfits? Will it now be <Riot> v Server?
shuklak
08-14-2019, 01:34 AM
Afterthought.
Swish2
08-14-2019, 01:43 AM
Maybe <Riot> will establish a Class R rotation enforced by one of the staff?
Wonkie
08-14-2019, 01:59 AM
rip aegis they'll rot you from the inside
Bboboo
08-14-2019, 02:22 AM
back in my day we complained about tmo and enjoyed it
Kesselring
08-14-2019, 02:29 AM
Lmao remember how riot was all about raiding with the server and all about always inviting all the bigger casual guilds to the raids in tov in defiance of aftermath? That sure last long. Guess it was about the loot afterall.
Dugface
08-14-2019, 02:29 AM
It's nice to know AM still have friends somewhere.
I guess they'll share ring wars and Tunares as well now?
remen
08-14-2019, 03:15 AM
Question, did Aftermath gloat as much as Riot does now after every time they won a week's cycle?
Dolalin
08-14-2019, 03:19 AM
I don't understand the classic WoW frenzy. There have been vanilla WoW freeshards for years. I fully scratched that itch in 2018. Why the hell would you pay for the privilege?
Hyjalx
08-14-2019, 03:34 AM
If the dragons werent rooted, half the playerbase would still be with their friends in their original guilds. Needing 100+ people to do Velious content makes WoW classic seem pretty damn appealing.
Hopefully the same mistakes arent made with Green.
Dolalin
08-14-2019, 03:38 AM
If the dragons werent rooted, half the playerbase would still be with their friends in their original guilds. Needing 100+ people to do Velious content makes WoW classic seem pretty damn appealing.
Hopefully the same mistakes arent made with Green.
The return of the loot conveyor belt at the zoneline? Wouldn't you like that. :rolleyes:
Trzzle
08-14-2019, 06:27 AM
Question, did Aftermath gloat as much as Riot does now after every time they won a week's cycle?
Yes just about as cringey as Riot does
Convict
08-14-2019, 06:56 AM
Question, did Aftermath gloat as much as Riot does now after every time they won a week's cycle?
lol
oh serious question?
Mblake81
08-14-2019, 07:23 AM
https://i.imgur.com/SB8kIRY.gif
Question, did Aftermath gloat as much as Riot does now after every time they won a week's cycle?
Yes just about as cringey as Riot does
lol
oh serious question?
YendorLootmonkey
08-14-2019, 08:57 AM
If the dragons werent rooted, half the playerbase would still be with their friends in their original guilds. Needing 100+ people to do Velious content makes WoW classic seem pretty damn appealing.
Hopefully the same mistakes arent made with Green.
No, hopefully zoneline welfare loot handouts are done. We have been lectured for years that pixels need to be earned with lots of hardcore dedication and work.
Twochain
08-14-2019, 09:06 AM
No, hopefully zoneline welfare loot handouts are done. We have been lectured for years that pixels need to be earned with lots of hardcore dedication and megaZERGs.
Molitoth
08-14-2019, 09:11 AM
Question, did Aftermath gloat as much as Riot does now after every time they won a week's cycle?
Yes, AM loved to rub the entire servers nose in shit on R&F... I think some people are just returning the favor. Especially dildos like Dannyl and Hotel.
Not something a lot of Riot are proud of... but I also understand there are years of frustration finally being released from members whom have battled with AM over pixels.
Some are feeling great to be on the other side of the fence.
Molitoth
08-14-2019, 09:25 AM
Lmao remember how riot was all about raiding with the server and all about always inviting all the bigger casual guilds to the raids in tov in defiance of aftermath? That sure last long. Guess it was about the loot afterall.
A few weeks back Riot forfeit an AM conceded Yelinak so that the rest of the server could have an opportunity on it. There have been a few times also where Riot have purposely left Fear Golems up for other guilds... (unfortunately I think Aftermath snatched them).
I don't speak for Riot leadership, but I know Arcler is a classy leader that doesn't see the rest of the server as lesser players. If you are in a smaller guild, I would say to be patient while a plan is devised to maintain server relations.
aaezil
08-14-2019, 09:46 AM
Big if true
(Not)
tylercanuck
08-14-2019, 09:50 AM
We have been lectured for years that pixels need to be earned with lots of hardcore dedication and work.
What’s the starting salary?
feniin
08-14-2019, 09:53 AM
Big if true
(Not)
Aftermath and Aegis will be teaming up for Statue today afaik.
Jonabis
08-14-2019, 10:59 AM
Lmao remember how riot was all about raiding with the server and all about always inviting all the bigger casual guilds to the raids in tov in defiance of aftermath? That sure last long. Guess it was about the loot afterall.
Many if not of the raiders from those team ups ended up apping to Riot.
To the other point of this meta requiring 100+ player raid forces, that is not true. The stand back and wait to leap frog strategy AM perfected is the reason you need enough to engage with enough guards up to not be leap frogged. These bosses can all still mostly be killed with close to zone in pull numbers with proper strategy.
Dolalin
08-14-2019, 11:19 AM
^^
I think half of CSG joined Riot.
kwjohns
08-14-2019, 11:28 AM
Aegis members now:
https://i.imgur.com/8ubGFLt.gif
Dugface
08-14-2019, 11:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU
Hideousclaw
08-14-2019, 12:02 PM
Aegis members now:
https://i.imgur.com/8ubGFLt.gif
I got a lot of love for some of the members BUUUUT this can be applied to <Riot> now.
Hopefully they lessen their stranglehold on all raid mobs soon. We shall see.
Tarskin
08-14-2019, 12:31 PM
^^
I think half of CSG joined Riot.
There's a lot of people from Core, PS and CSG in there yes.
BallzDeep
08-14-2019, 12:44 PM
If you've been on this server or paid attention for many years, it's funny to watch the transgression of the guilds and the server.
From when I've joined the server -> TMO were at the top and IB had come back from a "break."Everyone hated TMO and called them selfish. TMO had a mass ban and lost pretty much half it's accounts. IB merged and started to take mobs under Rampage. Everyone hated Rampage, including ex-TMO now in Forsaken. Rampage destroyed all content and then leadership left the server for whatever reason(open to dispute). Aftermath and Awakened stepped up and it was a battle between the two which everyone else hated. The process is now repeating again.
BallzDeep
08-14-2019, 12:45 PM
I'm sure I've fucked up the timeline somewhere but the point being, casuals become raiders and raiders become casuals again. Rinse and repeat.
Not_Mikeo
08-14-2019, 12:51 PM
HyjalToday at 8:59 AM
@here I want to thank everyone for their support of the Lord BoB system over the past 2 years. We have had some great kills as an open raid force. Killing Jorlleag, Cazic Thule, Telkorenar, Lendenaria the Keeper, Vindi countless times, Velketor, and much more that I am probably missing. Smokinon and Crashking will be taking over the Everquest side of the channel from here on out. I also want to thank my Aegis friends for trusting me to work out the best deal with Aftermath. I was able to secure ToV (minus dubs/trips/doz) CT and AoW, even though they made me pull my hair out at the end (they probably felt the same, lol). I truly believe teaming with them will help you guys rise to the top. WoW classic will bring new adventures for folks in the channel and I hope to see some folks join us on the Fairbanks server with the August 26th release. See you guys there.
smitho1984
08-14-2019, 01:03 PM
Question, did Aftermath gloat as much as Riot does now after every time they won a week's cycle?
AM has gloated every single week of their careers.
Xulia
08-14-2019, 01:14 PM
Best of luck to all on the new merge, may the loot gods bless you with sweet pixels.
Mblake81
08-14-2019, 01:33 PM
https://i.imgur.com/lSWa9l9.jpg
I think some people are just returning the favor. Especially dildos like Dannyl and Hotel. I also understand there are years of frustration finally being released from members whom have battled with AM over pixels. Some are feeling great to be on the other side of the fence.
Ripqozko
08-14-2019, 01:37 PM
Sorry you lack warder loot, try green.
Ruhtar
08-14-2019, 01:41 PM
HyjalToday at 8:59 AM
@here I want to thank everyone for their support of the Lord BoB system over the past 2 years. We have had some great kills as an open raid force. Killing Jorlleag, Cazic Thule, Telkorenar, Lendenaria the Keeper, Vindi countless times, Velketor, and much more that I am probably missing. Smokinon and Crashking will be taking over the Everquest side of the channel from here on out. I also want to thank my Aegis friends for trusting me to work out the best deal with Aftermath. I was able to secure ToV (minus dubs/trips/doz) CT and AoW, even though they made me pull my hair out at the end (they probably felt the same, lol). I truly believe teaming with them will help you guys rise to the top. WoW classic will bring new adventures for folks in the channel and I hope to see some folks join us on the Fairbanks server with the August 26th release. See you guys there.
I thoroughly enjoy seeing what guild or alliance Hyjal weasels his way into every time he comes back so he can merge them with one of the top guilds, take a break, then come back and do it all over again.
The dude is a modern-day Hitler to be able to pull this off over several years.
Mblake81
08-14-2019, 01:51 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Cq36gYT.gif
Sorry you lack warder loot
Comoc1
08-14-2019, 02:24 PM
Gratz Riot on getting Vulaks 5 years after Velious launched.
rezzie
08-14-2019, 02:42 PM
A few weeks back Riot forfeit an AM conceded Yelinak so that the rest of the server could have an opportunity on it. There have been a few times also where Riot have purposely left Fear Golems up for other guilds... (unfortunately I think Aftermath snatched them).
Outside of CT raids AM has contested fear golems maybe three times in the past year.
Maybe we need to take a leaf out of Riot's book and announce a moratorium on fear golems raids every three days so the server knows how generous we are for not contesting. That's 12 months of goodwill we forgot to publicise!
Endonde
08-14-2019, 02:50 PM
Outside of CT raids AM has contested fear golems maybe three times in the past year.
Maybe we need to take a leaf out of Riot's book and announce a moratorium on fear golems raids every three days so the server knows how generous we are for not contesting. That's 12 months of goodwill we forgot to publicise!
You forgot about the months your officers formed a farm crew to farm fear golems and Sev for personal gain.
Erati
08-14-2019, 02:56 PM
Gratz Riot on getting Vulaks 5 years after Velious launched.
:confusedtoot:
loramin
08-14-2019, 03:01 PM
If you've been on this server or paid attention for many years, it's funny to watch the transgression of the guilds and the server.
From when I've joined the server -> TMO were at the top and IB had come back from a "break."Everyone hated TMO and called them selfish. TMO had a mass ban and lost pretty much half it's accounts. IB merged and started to take mobs under Rampage. Everyone hated Rampage, including ex-TMO now in Forsaken. Rampage destroyed all content and then leadership left the server for whatever reason(open to dispute). Aftermath and Awakened stepped up and it was a battle between the two which everyone else hated. The process is now repeating again.
An impartial observer would logically conclude that Rogean and Nilbog want the server to be dominated by "mega guilds", and that they setup the server rules to encourage such guilds to form.
I'm not saying I personally believe that, but if you step back and look at the system, the incentives in that system, and who ultimately decides how that system will work ... it's hard not to draw that conclusion.
Daldaen
08-14-2019, 03:10 PM
Only on P99 does a guild bring 100 nerds to a Tunare Kill and then decide, naw we need to ally with several other guilds. 100 nerds isn’t enough to defeat Velious content after 3 years of gearing. We need 150+ to compete.
loramin
08-14-2019, 03:11 PM
An impartial observer would logically conclude that Rogean and Nilbog want the server to be dominated by "mega guilds", and that they setup the server rules to encourage such guilds to form.
I'm not saying I personally believe that, but if you step back and look at the system, the incentives in that system, and who ultimately decides how that system will work ... it's hard not to draw that conclusion.
P.S. I'm not passing judgment on R&N for this one way or the other: I'm just saying we've had ten years of the server, R&N have set the rules for ten years, and (as was pointed out) mega guilds have dominated for ten years. It's hard not to see a connection between those facts, but whether the result is ultimately good or bad comes down to opinion.
One can certainly argue "that's how live was" ... but that's only half correct. Every live server did have a "top guild" or three: that's true. But the top guilds on live "dominated" by recruiting the most active players and then beating the most PvE content. In other words, they won by playing the game of EverQuest "the best".
Guilds here don't dominate that way, they dominate by winning the non-classic P99 "race" rules. Now to be fair R&N had to do something unclassic: it's impossible to have a classic system here because we have way more neckbeards with may more knowledge.
But still, there are other unclassic options (and arguably some are more classic than the current system). Until R&N tries one of those systems (instances, rotations, or anything else except racing) it seems inevitable that a new group of neckbeards will always take over and prevent other players from getting to experience content, whenever the previous group makes such a mess of itself that it falls apart.
Mblake81
08-14-2019, 03:32 PM
Until R&N tries one of those systems (instances, rotations, or anything else except racing) it seems inevitable that a new group of neckbeards will always take over and prevent other players from getting to experience content, whenever the previous group makes such a mess of itself that it falls apart.
Until R&N tries one of those systems (instances) it seems inevitable that a new group of neckbeards will always take over
instances
I would rather lose a thousand pixels and be trained by the most retarded looking neckbeard screaming "git gud" than have an instanced MMO. WTF is the point, content is only part of the battle and you have cut out the other. Just unhook the comp from the internet and call it a day.
https://i.imgur.com/eWIgb89.jpg
Ripqozko
08-14-2019, 03:48 PM
I would rather lose a thousand pixels and be trained by the most retarded looking neckbeard screaming "git gud" than have an instanced MMO. WTF is the point, content is only part of the battle and you have cut out the other. Just unhook the comp from the internet and call it a day.
https://i.imgur.com/eWIgb89.jpg
Uh I agree, don’t tell anyone.
mycoolrausch
08-14-2019, 04:36 PM
I consider instancing a necessity but I consider p99 a museum piece and put up with its bad design and quirks for that reason.
Certainly there is no game I would play in the future if my choices were join a zerg guild that creates a virtual instance for itself, or stand around and chip off 1 out of 30 targets per week or w/e. I only put up with it here. Out of love.
Xulia
08-14-2019, 04:42 PM
[QUOTE=mycoolrausch;2947528I consider p99 a museum piece
[/QUOTE]
Rogean & Nilbog's Home for Aging PC Gamers
branamil
08-14-2019, 04:57 PM
RIOT LIED AND AFTERMATH DIED
Nexii
08-14-2019, 05:03 PM
But still, there are other unclassic options (and arguably some are more classic than the current system). Until R&N tries one of those systems (instances, rotations, or anything else except racing) it seems inevitable that a new group of neckbeards will always take over and prevent other players from getting to experience content, whenever the previous group makes such a mess of itself that it falls apart.
Instancing would be even worse than racing. Not even sure if R&N would even be able to put in instancing under the DBG agreement.
The problem with racing is all the ridiculous and convoluted custom non-classic rules around it. It does nothing in the way of allowing more guilds to compete nor reducing the amount of socking that goes on. You might as well just allow guilds to camp out wherever they like. There were never any rules on live about where players could camp out.
aaezil
08-14-2019, 05:24 PM
The rules were made and ended up as they are as a direct Reaction to crappy player behavioir. Of course this behavioir is still rampant here but you all reap what youve sown. If i were them all the repeat offender individual/ guilds would be long perma banned by now but i guess they just dont want to deal with the DDOS and they mostly remain. . .
loramin
08-14-2019, 05:34 PM
I would rather lose a thousand pixels and be trained by the most retarded looking neckbeard screaming "git gud" than have an instanced MMO. WTF is the point, content is only part of the battle and you have cut out the other. Just unhook the comp from the internet and call it a day.
You clearly have some strong feelings on the topic; ) But look, I never said "P99 should do instances", and I don't believe that it should.
What I said/believe is that back in '99 guilds were not racing for anything. Even the top guild on the server did top content (for the most part at least) on their own time. Club Fu on Bristlebane (mostly) didn't "race" Arch Overseers. They just recruited more/better players, engaged more PvE content, and beat more of it. This resulted in them having more pixels than AO and "dominating the server", but in an incredibly different way from how Aftermath or TMO does on P99.
Now of course per capita we have like a million more raiders than live did, and of course every last one of them has about a million times more knowledge than anyone did back in '99. It's impossible to recreate the classic experience by just doing things the way people did them in classic.
But look, just because there was the "live way", and there's the way P99 has done things for a decade, that doesn't mean those are the only two options!
There's absolutely a third possibility: instances. And a fourth possibility: rotations. And then there's likely 5th through 22nd possibilities also (without even getting into the hundred specific different ways either instances or rotations or anything else could be implemented).
All I'm saying is, we've tried the race for ten years, and it doesn't produce classic results. If we tried literally anything else we have a better chance of getting classic EQ raiding.
And if you don't care about making things more classic, then here's another thing: the current P99 system is not fun for most people. Almost any other system could be more fun.
loramin
08-14-2019, 05:37 PM
The problem with racing is all the ridiculous and convoluted custom non-classic rules around it. It does nothing in the way of allowing more guilds to compete nor reducing the amount of socking that goes on. You might as well just allow guilds to camp out wherever they like. There were never any rules on live about where players could camp out.
Exactly ... except I'm thinking just a little bigger than "eliminate race starting points".
It feels like we're all thinking in a box, like the only way things can possibly be is to have races and race lines and race rules and race everything.
This server is full of intelligent and creative people. I find it offensive that every last one of them turns off that intelligence and creativity and just accepts that things are the way they are, when using even a fraction of that collective intelligence/creativity could almost certainly produce a better system.
loramin
08-14-2019, 05:41 PM
P.S. By the way, I think a huge part of "the box" around everyone's thinking isn't R&N: it's the players. Whenever anyone suggests anything that isn't races, everyone in RnF dog piles on them.
Of course we'll never even manage to brainstorm a decent idea, let alone work out a functional system, in such an environment. We need threads where people throw out ideas, then other people riff off them and say "that's not bad, but what if we did ..."
As long as all we do is tear each others' ideas down seconds after they get proposed, we'll never get anything better here.
mycoolrausch
08-14-2019, 05:48 PM
P.S. By the way, I think a huge part of "the box" around everyone's thinking isn't R&N: it's the players. Whenever anyone suggests anything that isn't races, everyone in RnF dog piles on them.
Of course we'll never even manage to brainstorm a decent idea, let alone work out a functional system, in such an environment. We need threads where people throw out ideas, then other people riff off them and say "that's not bad, but what if we did ..."
As long as all we do is tear each others' ideas down seconds after they get proposed, we'll never get anything better here.
If you want to raid, join Riot. If you don't want to join Riot, play classic WoW and raid with your own guild on your own time, the way every other game in the world works.
Mblake81
08-14-2019, 05:49 PM
https://i.imgur.com/JhIqnNP.jpg
I consider instancing a necessity but I consider p99 a museum piece and put up with its bad design and quirks for that reason.
Certainly there is no game I would play in the future if my choices were join a zerg guild that creates a virtual instance for itself, or stand around and chip off 1 out of 30 targets per week or w/e. I only put up with it here. Out of love.
I despise the 20 years of "gaming" since era. Playing with other people made trivial by every Kids console under the tree. Made even more trivial by smart phones.
When I log into TOV on repop weekend and see all the people. I haven't lost what really matters here.
I could care less about new games, they suck and so do the people who support their mediocrity. I would rather sit here, like I have since 2011 getting shit for loots and not really caring about raids until a couple years ago rather than fudge around in some rehashed unimaginative drivel that is riddled with MTX and supported by the same loons. Keep that stuff so I know where to avoid the plague.
loramin
08-14-2019, 05:54 PM
Two posts hating on new games and talking about how great old EQ used to be ...
... while (implicitly) defending a race system that never existed back in '99-0'01, and is entirely a new addition, added over a decade later.
Makes perfect sense.
mycoolrausch
08-14-2019, 05:57 PM
https://i.imgur.com/JhIqnNP.jpg
I despise the 20 years of "gaming" since era. Playing with other people made trivial by every Kids console under the tree. Made even more trivial by smart phones.
When I log into TOV on repop weekend and see all the people. I haven't lost what really matters here.
I could care less about new games, they suck and so do the people who support their mediocrity. I would rather sit here, like I have since 2011 getting shit for loots and not really caring about raids until a couple years ago rather than fudge around in some rehashed unimaginative drivel that is riddled with MTX and supported by the same loons. Keep that stuff so I know where to avoid the plague.
One day there will be a good challenging MMO again that appeals to hardcore players. Whether it's instanced or not I don't know, but what I do know is there wont be a sizeable competent raid force standing around with literally nothing to do because all the content was already consumed by somebody else. Nobody would make a game like that, because it is stupid, and the original Everquest in its classic timeline wasn't really like that either because of the lag in player development as new content was constantly coming out each year. It's unique to this server.
Jonabis
08-14-2019, 05:58 PM
Exactly ... except I'm thinking just a little bigger than "eliminate race starting points".
It feels like we're all thinking in a box, like the only way things can possibly be is to have races and race lines and race rules and race everything.
This server is full of intelligent and creative people. I find it offensive that every last one of them turns off that intelligence and creativity and just accepts that things are the way they are, when using even a fraction of that collective intelligence/creativity could almost certainly produce a better system.
I have said this before and it seems like a no brainer. Remove raid mob respawns from the game. Have 5-6 quakes a month randomly for 7 day spawns and 9-10 mini quakes each month for 3 day spawns. This eliminates the waiting around poop socking, race line rockstars, and overall lack of content for smaller guilds as raid mob respaws windows spread out. Quakes are the only time this server sees anything close to healthy target distribution. End the madness, save the beards from those necks.
Mblake81
08-14-2019, 05:59 PM
If you want to raid, join Riot. If you don't want to join Riot, play classic WoW and raid with your own guild on your own time, the way every other game in the world works.
Riot didn't spontaneously form. PS didn't want to zerg. Core didn't want to zerg. I can't speak for CSG. I was pushing for them to zerg though..I watched Venerates original leadership fail trying and get so frustrated they left for Agnar of all the god awful places (I miss the real Gogre). You can't just waltz up with your porridge bowl asking for more pixels. You must take it, to do so you gotta have the strength.
I have had guilds with members I really liked to hang out with die off because a few key members hopped ship to get their pixels. They couldn't do it any other way. Negotiations will net you 1 mob per cycle. One that has terrible loot as well. I have watched the guys in Riot setup an elaborate (for a game) system in order to get this. Frankly I would have laughed my ass off in era but that is the standard here. Make it or break it and I have been on both ends.
AFAIK no riot members have been dicking around in any other guilds forums, if so I can't vouch for that. AM is (what is left) our rival. The shit slinging has been between us and the random anons here on the forums that wanna jump in, they do so by their own choice in a subforum that has a warning on it. When AM dies and the loons head to WoW.. well who knows. Maybe there will not be a need for a zerg. I don't know what the future holds nor do I really care.
Mblake81
08-14-2019, 06:03 PM
Whether it's instanced or not I don't know, but what I do know is there wont be a sizeable competent raid force standing around with literally nothing to do because all the content was already consumed by somebody else. Nobody would make a game like that, because it is stupid, and the original Everquest in its classic timeline wasn't really like that either because of the lag in player development as new content was constantly coming out each year. It's unique to this server.
Sure, unique to P99. We are all playing it as well. Its dumb, stupid, absurd and whatever title you want to attach. Ex players come in and shit all over it but they never leave the forums.
Maybe that dumb shit is good. Fuck college video game degree designers.
Mblake81
08-14-2019, 06:16 PM
Makes perfect sense.
I'm glad it doesn't!
Nexii
08-14-2019, 06:25 PM
Exactly ... except I'm thinking just a little bigger than "eliminate race starting points".
It feels like we're all thinking in a box, like the only way things can possibly be is to have races and race lines and race rules and race everything.
This server is full of intelligent and creative people. I find it offensive that every last one of them turns off that intelligence and creativity and just accepts that things are the way they are, when using even a fraction of that collective intelligence/creativity could almost certainly produce a better system.
It's because the only alternatives people come up with are instancing (won't happen) and enforced rotations (probably only 25% of endgamers want that, won't happen)
Quakes replacing raid repops would be a pretty good solution. All guilds get something and you can prioritize how you like.
Haven't come up with too much else. Allowing guilds to camp wherever would still heavily favor large guilds, but it would allow medium sized guilds the chance to park at midrange targets and potentially win the mobilization races
loramin
08-14-2019, 06:41 PM
It's because the only alternatives people come up with are instancing (won't happen) and enforced rotations (probably only 25% of endgamers want that, won't happen)
Quakes replacing raid repops would be a pretty good solution. All guilds get something and you can prioritize how you like.
Haven't come up with too much else. Allowing guilds to camp wherever would still heavily favor large guilds, but it would allow medium sized guilds the chance to park at midrange targets and potentially win the mobilization races
I think there's a wealth of other options. Just one very simple example (which I'm sure everyone can shoot holes in) would be to force guilds to farm some ultra-rare item and then use it to spawn raid targets (possibly individual targets or possibly entire zones like ToV). Whatever you hate about that idea, at least it would make raiding (classically) PvE, instead of (unclassically) PvP (in PvE "racing sheep" clothing).
But again, my point is that there's lots of possible ideas, and undoubtedly many are better than our current system. Finding the best to use on P99 will require a healthy dialogue, but until this server (or at least this forum) can figure out how to have that dialogue in a constructive fashion, none of those ideas will come to light.
But I do sincerely respect you Nexii for engaging and not just spouting nonsense like some posters :)
Mblake81
08-14-2019, 06:46 PM
Those items would be permacamped. Are they random drops off any mobs? which ones and which zones as a spreadsheet would be put out with the percentages of which so the farm crews can get the most possible spawns.
mycoolrausch
08-14-2019, 07:00 PM
I think there's a wealth of other options. Just one very simple example (which I'm sure everyone can shoot holes in) would be to force guilds to farm some ultra-rare item and then use it to spawn raid targets (possibly individual targets or possibly entire zones like ToV). Whatever you hate about that idea, at least it would make raiding (classically) PvE, instead of (unclassically) PvP (in PvE "racing sheep" clothing).
But again, my point is that there's lots of possible ideas, and undoubtedly many are better than our current system. Finding the best to use on P99 will require a healthy dialogue, but until this server (or at least this forum) can figure out how to have that dialogue in a constructive fashion, none of those ideas will come to light.
But I do sincerely respect you Nexii for engaging and not just spouting nonsense like some posters :)
IDK if you've been paying attention to the server lately, but the bulk of the would-be raiders that would have been interested in such changes have simply solved the problem for themselves by joining riot, or have left for mangler and soon classic wow. Who else besides you cares?
loramin
08-14-2019, 07:57 PM
Who else besides you cares?
I'd argue most of the server, and maybe even most of RnF, cares ...
... but, whenever anyone tries to discuss it their thread gets "RnF-ed up". And as everyone who reads RnF knows, this is a place of zingers and insults, not constructive dialogue.
But look, every one of us was new here once upon a time, and we all had that moment where someone had to break the news to us: "yeah, the server's just like you remember in '99 ... except the raid scene, that's totally different".
I think on that day most us internally made the :( face (or maybe the :mad: one), because it wasn't the EQ we remembered.
It's my hope that everyone who had that reaction does still care, and that if we can just figure out how to elevate the dialogue, that we've got enough smart and creative people that we absolutely could figure out a better system.
https://i.imgur.com/mwyk9R9.gif
Ok thanks Tina Fey, but I wouldn't quite go that far ...
Fammaden
08-14-2019, 08:04 PM
Replacing respawns with all quakes is definitely the best and simplest proposal here. As mentioned, this is the one time that actual competition happens right now. A quake forces the reigning mega guild (at the moment Riot) to actually prioritize. Windows heavily favor whoever has the numbers. Quakes do something that spawn windows cannot, they require EVERY guild to prioritize their targets, instead of just camping one to three windows at a time.
But when it quakes EVERYONE gets a piece. Sure smaller/less experienced guilds are essentially taking scraps, but those scraps are being socked by the big guild if there's nothing in window and more casual guilds don't have infrastructure to care about socking fucking Talendor. Yet on quake they can find him uncontested for hours.
The way things are right now, guilds are finding themselves unable to even do their usual HoT runs at times. Because if nothing is in window, or even if only one thing is in window, then there's always plenty of Riot members happy to farm SOMETHING.
Rotations could absolutely work in place of this, it would take a lot of up front work and some creativity, but once established could be mostly automatic. The problem is that for a rotation to happen every guild has to buy in and make the player agreement that staff will enforce. There will never be a reason for the prominent mega guild to buy in to any rotation because they stand to lose more than they would gain. Today its Riot who would block that plan, yesterday it was AM, in the future it will be < Someone Else >.
lifewater
08-14-2019, 08:14 PM
enforced rotations (probably only 25% of endgamers want that, won't happen)
Meh.. I don't really think this is true. If people were really into pure competition, you wouldn't have rival guilds stalking each others every pull, citing rule 87, article 4, sentence 7 of the raiding bylaws at the drop of a hat, and then demanding a concession (which is the literal antithesis of competition). And this isnt specific to any guild, anyone attempting to go for raid mobs does it.
Its so stigmatized to talk about rotations and instances within the p99 community, that it becomes pointless to even mention it. Because the small portion of the loudest voices will scream over you.
It feels like people just want loot, and it doesn't matter how its acquired as long as they have it.
~Shamfu
Mblake81
08-14-2019, 08:17 PM
Its so stigmatized to talk about instances within the p99 community, that it becomes pointless to even mention it. Because the small portion of the loudest voices will scream over you.
<---- this guy right here
Hyjalx
08-14-2019, 08:42 PM
If we can't simulate quakes, making everything respawn at the same time is probably the only solution to make things as classic as possible. Would take some coding work that I am not well versed in though. Not sure how possible that is.
If we cant hit a button to simulate the live patches, its the only thing I can think of.
Remove rooted dragons, FTE races, and variance, and respawn everything Saturday or Sunday. And just end the madness. My 2 cents.
Hotel
08-14-2019, 08:42 PM
Yes, AM loved to rub the entire servers nose in shit on R&F... I think some people are just returning the favor. Especially dildos like Dannyl and Hotel.
Not something a lot of Riot are proud of... but I also understand there are years of frustration finally being released from members whom have battled with AM over pixels.
Some are feeling great to be on the other side of the fence.
the mass members in Riot that are getting pixels for the first time didn't compete with us during unrooted dragons (i.e. baylan)
i'm unironically pretty happy with my mark on rnf - joined the server like 8 months ago, joined the best guild during a fun era and individually won us dozens of mob, have a community on the internet that still talks about me, and have i mentioned that im 6,4 and hot irl?
i made some good friends on this server, life's good, last cycle wasn't a blast tho admittedly
cya for the next one
Mblake81
08-14-2019, 08:48 PM
Keep rooted dragons, FTE races and respawn everything Friday night, Saturday and Sundays with random earthquakes. My 2 cents.
Hyjalx
08-14-2019, 09:18 PM
Pretty sure if the staff was able to hit the EQ button every weekend they would be doing it by now.
TBH, we are about to repeat history.
WoW Classic was released when Everquest became something it was not during live era.
Project 1999 has taken a similar path and look whats ahead on the horizon.
WoW classic.
Needing 100+ players to compete for content is not sustainable. Velious should be doable with 30-40 players (competitively), as intended.
It won't stave off everyone from leaving, but it would be a good start.
tylercanuck
08-14-2019, 09:25 PM
Rooted dragons were implemented as a knee-jerk reaction to Braknar's grand departure.
I've never seen a patch implemented that quickly.
Kinaki
08-14-2019, 09:27 PM
Make green the instanced server. Having two servers sharing the same playerbase, with the same ruleset, and [soon enough] the same content would be the height of stupidity.
Molitoth
08-14-2019, 09:28 PM
Rooted dragons were implemented as a knee-jerk reaction to Braknar's grand departure.
I've never seen a patch implemented that quickly.
Pretty successful kneejerk reaction imo.
Rainik Stormseeker
08-15-2019, 12:10 AM
Lol @ the OP and a "merger".
Nuggie
08-15-2019, 12:23 AM
Hyjal, you are full of bad ideas.
They can code random EQ's if they wanted to. It's all 1's and 0's and their imagination is the limit. They won't give regular EQ's like they used to because it didn't solve anything. It created more petition war bullshit. Maybe when all the disease has left the community they will be inclined to attempt something nice again. However, as it stands we've jaded them beyond the point of trying to control 2K+ minds.
I would comment on the rooted dragons, but it would be as much imaginative conspiracy theory as the braknar knee-jerk theory. I will just say it's 3 - 4 years too late to have the desired effect.
Fifield
08-15-2019, 12:25 AM
Make green the instanced server. Having two servers sharing the same playerbase, with the same ruleset, and [soon enough] the same content would be the height of stupidity.
I am not sure about instances because thats what makes P99 popular is no instances, but I get what your saying, would be cool for a new ruleset.
Still will make a necro over there regardless of any raid ruleset just for the leveling experience alone
Hyjalx
08-15-2019, 12:47 AM
Keep your head in the sand then Nuggie.
The first player to run into a target, gets it, isn't Everquest whatsoever.
Rooted dragons isn't "classic" either. That was the entire point of this project.
None of this shit existed, ever. This is all custom content/rules at this point.
If you have any thoughts outside of what you are force fed, please go ahead.
Nuggie
08-15-2019, 12:50 AM
And the early chance at manastone before the bulk of the population can get at them. Amiright?
Hyjalx
08-15-2019, 12:53 AM
All I am saying is we need to simulate live patches somehow. At the very least try to get back to the roots that made this game what it was.
The rule-set currently in place is obviously broken.
Nuggie
08-15-2019, 01:26 AM
Obviously broken that it's required to play the game as it was designed? Fighting the dragons in their lairs with 70'ish people.
Weren't the dragons rooted at some point? If not on the Velious timeline I believe not long after. Which makes the fix not exactly outlandish. But •thing given that were well past the Luclin launch date.
As to the 70 raiders comment: it could be done with the 30-40 like you mentioned, but perhaps not without raiders that are already mostly BiS. Certainly not in kunark gear(yes I know they were killed on V-Launch day in kunark gear. I don't know the numbers involved, but I'm willing to bet it was 2X your 30-40 mark)
Nuggie
08-15-2019, 01:32 AM
. •thing given that were well past the Luclin launch date.
I dont recall what I typed into the beginning of this sentence. The physical keyboards on the BlackBerry Key2's do some weird shit when you type real fast. Probably some Swype command that I haven't found to turn off or something...
kaizersoze
08-15-2019, 01:38 AM
you know what would be funny? Make dragons not give out FTEs until all trash around them is dead so you can't pull them with 2-3 guards that you can just plow through because you have 100+ people.
Wonkie
08-15-2019, 01:48 AM
you know what would be funny? Make dragons not give out FTEs until all trash around them is dead so you can't pull them with 2-3 guards that you can just plow through because you have 100+ people.
give the guards VS proc so you can't reasonably offtank them while killing the dragon
kaizersoze
08-15-2019, 01:56 AM
give the guards VS proc so you can't reasonably offtank them while killing the dragon
give DRAGONS VS tap until the adds are dead too
Hyjalx
08-15-2019, 02:16 AM
Nuggie,
The dragons were never rooted on live during this era. It was never designed that way. During Luclin and PoP we were still pulling the dragons around NTOV with farm crews. Some of them even came to the zone in during the Velious era (Eashan/Ikatar).
And I said 100+. Right now the current meta is to engage the dragons with multiple flurry drakes/guards at the same time with 100 people. This has made things pretty much impossible for smaller guilds, and has basically wiped them all out.
ToV dragons spawn 1 by 1, so we aren't just competing against 100+ man zergs, but the rules that led to their creation as well.
ToV can be cleared with 40-50 players in Kunark gear. Remember, most of these dragons can be slowed. For Vyemm/Vulak I'd probably want to have 50, but they are the exceptions not the rule. Most of the dragons in the zone can and were done with much less.
But you are also talking about Kunark gear... We are now 3 years into Velious.
And as far as the "petitionquest" stuff goes...
If its true that we don't have staff members willing to handle petitions 1 day a week for an EQ or simulated patch, then we should probably be looking into finding a couple more. We have thousands of people who love this game and play here. I can't imagine that being too difficult. I volunteered a few times already, but... ya =P
Viscere
08-15-2019, 02:26 AM
Not something a lot of Riot are proud of... but I also understand there are years of frustration finally being released from members whom have battled with AM over pixels.
We noticed lol
Wonkie
08-15-2019, 02:41 AM
give the guards VS proc so you can't reasonably offtank them while killing the dragon
give DRAGONS VS tap until the adds are dead too
the blue server is about competition folks.
adapt or perish.
Kinaki
08-15-2019, 02:43 AM
the blue server is about competitionzerging folks.
adapt or perish.
Jimjam
08-15-2019, 02:48 AM
Zerg are the most competitive team in Starcraft.
Prove me wrong.
Ruhtar
08-15-2019, 09:34 AM
you know what would be funny? Make dragons not give out FTEs until all trash around them is dead so you can't pull them with 2-3 guards that you can just plow through because you have 100+ people.
Sounds more like an AM wet dream. AM already AFKs during trash clears, so why would any other guild want to clear everything plus the guards to just get leapfrogged right after?
You know what would actually be funny? If a certain percentage of trash or a majority of the guards were killed by guild A, guild B members would get banished into lava or randomly thrown into HoT if they engaged the dragon within a certain time frame of trash or guards being killed.
Dolalin
08-15-2019, 10:06 AM
All repops happening via earthquakes is feasible and doable, it sorta screws casuals and people with families who need to plan schedules though.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 10:33 AM
All I am saying is we need to simulate live patches somehow. At the very least try to get back to the roots that made this game what it was.
The rule-set currently in place is obviously broken.
What is broken is that a large group of people are trying to play a 20 year old game the way it was and knowing everything.
Alright, Hyjal. Roll back every "custom content" change. Make it exactly like it is supposed to be in classic. Are we going to wipe blue first? will multiple accounts be a ban offense like two boxing?
Lets go back to it. Ivandyr hoop KS, wizard team logs in and out DPS's the competition. The zerg will win again?
Will we make petitionquest a ban offense? kill or be killed, cutthroat and wild? OK.
Bbeta
08-15-2019, 10:40 AM
Bring back FTE and PNP. Also use the work it out yourself mind set. If CSR is needed suspended both guilds
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 10:41 AM
I mean if you wanna fuckin do it lets do it. Are you gonna play some alt character on another account? lord bob exists because you were shunned iirc. How many will log back in just to get a chance to grief the living shit outta you with no recourse of your own but to petition.. and get banned for it.
kaizersoze
08-15-2019, 10:56 AM
Sounds more like an AM wet dream. AM already AFKs during trash clears, so why would any other guild want to clear everything plus the guards to just get leapfrogged right after?
You know what would actually be funny? If a certain percentage of trash or a majority of the guards were killed by guild A, guild B members would get banished into lava or randomly thrown into HoT if they engaged the dragon within a certain time frame of trash or guards being killed.
Make dragons AoE death touch people waiting to snipe FTEs during trash clears!
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 11:11 AM
Bring back FTE and PNP. Also use the work it out yourself mind set. If CSR is needed suspended both guilds
*Two hands of cards and I am playing the other one atm..*
FTE, PNP, Work it out.. CSR are pussyfooting bullshit. You see me, I see you, We don't like eachother or you have some change at nice loot. Your ass is getting trained or KS'd. Gonna laugh at you and take screenshots of me teabagging your corpse.
Classic was like red server but can't directly attack. 20 years of players getting old and tired at life, no thrill of the hunt, no zest. Looking for their afternoon relaxation. Fuck that.
The thrill of a 3D world filled with anons without 20 years of humdrum lame gamer nonsense filling their souls full of useless bullshit. Get in there, fuck em up. Its just pixels. I bleed for them, you die for them.
Ripqozko
08-15-2019, 11:13 AM
*Two hands of cards and I am playing the other one atm..*
FTE, PNP, Work it out.. CSR are pussyfooting bullshit. You see me, I see you, We don't like eachother or you have some change at nice loot. Your ass is getting trained or KS'd. Gonna laugh at you and take screenshots of me teabagging your corpse.
Classic was like red server but can't directly attack. 20 years of players getting old and tired at life, no thrill of the hunt, no zest. Looking for their afternoon relaxation. Fuck that.
The thrill of a 3D world filled with anons without 20 years of humdrum lame gamer nonsense filling their souls full of useless bullshit. Get in there, fuck em up. Its just pixels. I bleed for them, you die for them.
Wat
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 11:14 AM
Wat
I didn't stutter!
Viscere
08-15-2019, 11:19 AM
Nah but you do sound like you have the IQ of an oyster though
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 11:20 AM
Nah but you do sound like you have the IQ of an oyster though
Fuck you, Viscere.
dajudge
08-15-2019, 11:23 AM
*Two hands of cards and I am playing the other one atm..*
FTE, PNP, Work it out.. CSR are pussyfooting bullshit. You see me, I see you, We don't like eachother or you have some change at nice loot. Your ass is getting trained or KS'd. Gonna laugh at you and take screenshots of me teabagging your corpse.
Classic was like red server but can't directly attack. 20 years of players getting old and tired at life, no thrill of the hunt, no zest. Looking for their afternoon relaxation. Fuck that.
The thrill of a 3D world filled with anons without 20 years of humdrum lame gamer nonsense filling their souls full of useless bullshit. Get in there, fuck em up. Its just pixels. I bleed for them, you die for them.
https://tenor.com/TCCK.gif
Ripqozko
08-15-2019, 11:25 AM
I didn't stutter!
I know ya not use to winning and it’s cool to gloat some but you sound dumb asf. This what riot is like? Yikes
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 11:32 AM
I know ya not use to winning and it’s cool to gloat some but you sound dumb asf. This what riot is like? Yikes
This isn't gloating or about winning some root dragon pixels. Get off that. This is responding to Hyjal and his requests for classic. Do you remember what we were like back then, what others were like. Sitting in High Pass and getting KS'd by wizard. Telling him to get lost and he laughs while looting your orc.
These guys want rules but they don't want rules. They want a little rules. Mostly what serves them and their needs. I am willing to put up with the convoluted rules over the years, I didn't complain until recently. I am willing to listen to cunts cry about this and that but my tolerance only goes so far.
I told you I was playing another hand, devils advocate. I am tired of reading Hyjal. Selective rules. He wants classic then here I am considering it. I was very different 20 years ago and so were the other players.
Ripqozko
08-15-2019, 11:38 AM
This isn't gloating or about winning some root dragon pixels. Get off that. This is responding to Hyjal and his requests for classic. Do you remember what we were like back then, what others were like. Sitting in High Pass and getting KS'd by wizard. Telling him to get lost and he laughs while looting your orc.
These guys want rules but they don't want rules. They want a little rules. Mostly what serves them and their needs. I am willing to put up with the convoluted rules over the years, I didn't complain until recently. I am willing to listen to cunts cry about this and that but my tolerance only goes so far.
I told you I was playing another hand, devils advocate. I am tired of reading Hyjal. Selective rules. He wants classic then here I am considering it. I was very different 20 years ago and so were the other players.
You sound just as much like a crying cunt as you put it
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 11:40 AM
You sound just as much like a crying cunt as you put it
fair enough.
Bbeta
08-15-2019, 12:01 PM
Holy cap that escalated. Not sure how to interpret you reply because either I'm to dumb or viseven versa.
Using FTE rule in conjunction with the established PNP, imo, would be a better environment then 50 rules with 2 amendments per rule.
Currently bleaching my eyes after reading your post mblake81. And btw, you're an old man, get off the forums and get a life... 81 and playing elf Sim lol
Wonkie
08-15-2019, 12:03 PM
Make dragons AoE death touch people waiting to snipe FTEs during trash clears!
Good idea!
Turn blue into the competition server. Players who like that stuff can stay here. People who like classic can play green.
Close the red server for the resources.
loramin
08-15-2019, 12:06 PM
https://tenor.com/TCCK.gif
Step #1: Go to images.google.com
Step #2: Search for whatever image you want (eg. "confused") and the phrase "site:imgur.com" (I usually get lazy and just type "imgur" and it mostly works the same)
Step #3: Pick the image and copy its URL (make sure you copy the imgur.com one and not the Google preview one)
Step #4: Show your damn gif like a civilized person!
;)
Kesselring
08-15-2019, 12:16 PM
This isn't gloating or about winning some root dragon pixels. Get off that. This is responding to Hyjal and his requests for classic. Do you remember what we were like back then, what others were like. Sitting in High Pass and getting KS'd by wizard. Telling him to get lost and he laughs while looting your orc.
These guys want rules but they don't want rules. They want a little rules. Mostly what serves them and their needs. I am willing to put up with the convoluted rules over the years, I didn't complain until recently. I am willing to listen to cunts cry about this and that but my tolerance only goes so far.
I told you I was playing another hand, devils advocate. I am tired of reading Hyjal. Selective rules. He wants classic then here I am considering it. I was very different 20 years ago and so were the other players.
The thread was created in order to force hyjal to reply? Are you sure? Gratz server on free yelinak which im sure just died to AG or BG. I feel bad for the kittens and the people in Aegis that wanna stay casual and were promised open invites from riot to tov crawls but got snuffed once they riot realized they had to feed the pixels to their members to keep morale high. Aftermath has never closed recruitment in 2+ years and always kept the door open to the server to whoever really wanted to join if they could prove they would be a good raider, riot has however closed recruitment once already in such a short span once they had 2 decent weeks back to back. Thats a good indication of whats to come with their future at any rate.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 12:18 PM
The thread was created in order to force hyjal to reply? Are you sure?.
Why would I be, I was replying to his comment which he has made in other threads. Finally snapped here.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 12:18 PM
Currently bleaching my eyes after reading your post mblake81. And btw, you're an old man, get off the forums and get a life... 81 and playing elf Sim lol
Why I outta.. don't try to run I have a rascal scooter and will run you over.
Ruhtar
08-15-2019, 12:46 PM
The thread was created in order to force hyjal to reply? Are you sure? Gratz server on free yelinak which im sure just died to AG or BG. I feel bad for the kittens and the people in Aegis that wanna stay casual and were promised open invites from riot to tov crawls but got snuffed once they riot realized they had to feed the pixels to their members to keep morale high. Aftermath has never closed recruitment in 2+ years and always kept the door open to the server to whoever really wanted to join if they could prove they would be a good raider, riot has however closed recruitment once already in such a short span once they had 2 decent weeks back to back. Thats a good indication of whats to come with their future at any rate.
lol
madiguz1215
08-15-2019, 01:03 PM
The thread was created in order to force hyjal to reply? Are you sure? Gratz server on free yelinak which im sure just died to AG or BG. I feel bad for the kittens and the people in Aegis that wanna stay casual and were promised open invites from riot to tov crawls but got snuffed once they riot realized they had to feed the pixels to their members to keep morale high. Aftermath has never closed recruitment in 2+ years and always kept the door open to the server to whoever really wanted to join if they could prove they would be a good raider, riot has however closed recruitment once already in such a short span once they had 2 decent weeks back to back. Thats a good indication of whats to come with their future at any rate.
The award for today's most clueless goes to.... ^!
Utmost
08-15-2019, 01:12 PM
When I contemplate Wendy’s for lunches I immediately assume the food preparation areas are unsanitary as well as the consumption facilities. Sometimes I still go.
Psyborg
08-15-2019, 01:29 PM
I don't understand the classic WoW frenzy. There have been vanilla WoW freeshards for years. I fully scratched that itch in 2018. Why the hell would you pay for the privilege?
I trust an officially supported server more than a private one, quite frankly. Also, it's $15/month. When it comes to entertainment that hardly even counts as money.
feniin
08-15-2019, 02:00 PM
I trust an officially supported server more than a private one, quite frankly. Also, it's $15/month. When it comes to entertainment that hardly even counts as money.
(You're on a private EverQuest server that's better than anything Live has come up with in the last decade+)
Baylan295
08-15-2019, 02:12 PM
The thread was created in order to force hyjal to reply? Are you sure? Gratz server on free yelinak which im sure just died to AG or BG. I feel bad for the kittens and the people in Aegis that wanna stay casual and were promised open invites from riot to tov crawls but got snuffed once they riot realized they had to feed the pixels to their members to keep morale high. Aftermath has never closed recruitment in 2+ years and always kept the door open to the server to whoever really wanted to join if they could prove they would be a good raider, riot has however closed recruitment once already in such a short span once they had 2 decent weeks back to back. Thats a good indication of whats to come with their future at any rate.
Since May we’ve had like 250 people hit the “I want to join Riot!” button. We paused recruitment because the 10-12 people who have been working on it were overwhelmed.
Riot never promised “open invites” to AEGIS or Kittens or any other guild. But you’ve seen us cooperate a lot more in our short history than AM has in my time on the server.
Psyborg
08-15-2019, 02:14 PM
(You're on a private EverQuest server that's better than anything Live has come up with in the last decade+)
P99 is awesome but so far as I know there has never been an attempt to create an era accurate vanilla-kunark-velious experience, so I can't find anything to disagree with you on. If they did try to make it, however, I would definitely give it a shot.
That's what I'm dealing with now in WoW. I played in 2004, I played a private recreation of vanilla, now I want to play an official recreation of vanilla.
Fammaden
08-15-2019, 02:19 PM
The impression I'm getting though is that this will be less an official re-creation of vanilla than simply Blizzards version of a timelocked progression server. As in they are starting with only vanilla content but it will be adulterated by various code updates that affect the "classic feel".
At least based on some second hand beta opinions and what little I've read about the server itself from official information. I could be wrong about how it will actually play out in real time though.
Psyborg
08-15-2019, 02:24 PM
The impression I'm getting though is that this will be less an official re-creation of vanilla than simply Blizzards version of a timelocked progression server. As in they are starting with only vanilla content but it will be adulterated by various code updates that affect the "classic feel".
At least based on some second hand beta opinions and what little I've read about the server itself from official information. I could be wrong about how it will actually play out in real time though.
Classic WoW will forever be locked at content available prior to the first expansion and it is definitely not a true-to-original clone. It's pretty much what I've been hopeful for since I lost interest in retail WoW.
Fammaden
08-15-2019, 02:27 PM
If this thing continues to make money throughout the progression of content up through Naxx you can bet your ass that TBC will be on the way.
Psyborg
08-15-2019, 02:40 PM
If this thing continues to make money throughout the progression of content up through Naxx you can bet your ass that TBC will be on the way.
I wouldn't say this is out of the question but I think they'll find some other way to make this happen. It wouldn't make much sense in my opinion to force current servers to new content. My guess is that they would spin up new realms or come up with another system to not harm existing servers.
Nuggie
08-15-2019, 03:10 PM
Man, you guys took a hard turn there real quic while I was at work. Bravo.
Nuggie,
The dragons were never rooted on live during this era. It was never designed that way. During Luclin and PoP we were still pulling the dragons around NTOV with farm crews. Some of them even came to the zone in during the Velious era (Eashan/Ikatar).
https://www.project1999.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-220561.html
This post pretty easily proves your quote wrong, or misleading atleast depending on how the sentence could be spun.
And I said 100+. Right now the current meta is to engage the dragons with multiple flurry drakes/guards at the same time with 100 people. This has made things pretty much impossible for smaller guilds, and has basically wiped them all out.
You make it sound like this was the intent of rule design. If so, that's a wonderful opinion you have. Personally, I think the Riot meta is a response to years of taking it in the shorts by neckbeards. "You guys" (maybe not you personally) treating people like shit and getting kicks from denying people pixels created this monster. Enjoy it. Just an opinion. Could be wrong , of course.
Convict
08-15-2019, 03:24 PM
I trust an officially supported server more than a private one, quite frankly. Also, it's $15/month. When it comes to entertainment that hardly even counts as money.
this... also the main problem with the private vanilla wow servers is they dont last long enough for most casual players to ever fulfill said "itch" most of the time they get shut down by blizzard or fall apart from internal corruption of the server owners/gms etc, or a new one opens up and everybody jumps ship to the new server before the previous one had run is course... seen it over and over the past 10 years
Molitoth
08-15-2019, 03:32 PM
Gratz server on free yelinak which im sure just died to AG or BG.
I think it went to AEGIS/Kittens.
I feel bad for the kittens and the people in Aegis that wanna stay casual and were promised open invites from riot to tov crawls but got snuffed once they riot realized they had to feed the pixels to their members to keep morale high.
There is no Raid attendance requirement for Riot, people can stay casual.
I doubt anything was "promised", although I'd guess Arcler is working on some ideas to continue good relations with Kittens and more.
This is still fairly new to Riot, so I'd give Riot a chance to get completely moved into the house before you start knocking and begging for a bed to sleep on.
Aftermath has never closed recruitment in 2+ years and always kept the door open to the server to whoever really wanted to join if they could prove they would be a good raider
Good for them? What is the point here?
riot has however closed recruitment once already in such a short span once they had 2 decent weeks back to back. Thats a good indication of whats to come with their future at any rate.
So wait, Riot gets accused of "Zerging" but also gets ridiculed for temporarily closing recruitment to get some things in order?
On a related note: I think the "Zerg" thing is funny considering Aftermath was bringing 100 to fight unrooted mobs solo at the ToV zone in. Riot is bringing 110 to rooted dragons+ 2 to 3 Guards.
Keep in mind the server is a pendulum. Power will always swing back the other way eventually.
loramin
08-15-2019, 03:33 PM
The dragons were never rooted on live during this era. It was never designed that way. During Luclin and PoP we were still pulling the dragons around NTOV with farm crews. Some of them even came to the zone in during the Velious era (Eashan/Ikatar).
https://www.project1999.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-220561.html
This post pretty easily proves your quote wrong, or misleading atleast depending on how the sentence could be spun.
Ummm ... I have absolutely no dog in your fight with Hyjal, but you do realize that link proves the opposite of what you just said? It's full of statements to the effect that the dragons were not rooted until Luclin (and Luclin is not "during the P99 era").
All of the posts on ZAM referring to the dragons being perma-rooted don't start showing up until after May of 2002. The Shadows of Luclin expansion launched on Dec 4th 2001.
This is correct. Each dragon in NToV is on their own timeline. By 2003, many were still not perma-rooted.
http://monklybusiness43508.yuku.com/...n#.Vl5pWHarRhE
This post below from 10-Dec-2001 (6 days after Luclin release) describes dragons being summoned by Vulak, which means they were not rooted.
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthrea...ll=1#post98750
Endonde
08-15-2019, 03:36 PM
I wouldn't say this is out of the question but I think they'll find some other way to make this happen. It wouldn't make much sense in my opinion to force current servers to new content. My guess is that they would spin up new realms or come up with another system to not harm existing servers.
They could go the Old School Runescape route and continue to add new unique content in the spirit of the original game. It sounds a bit odd but it was a really successful strategy for the Runescape team.
Hyjalx
08-15-2019, 03:42 PM
Unlike you Nuggie, I was actually playing in the zone during Velious and Luclin. I was a raid leader in Club Fu and I can 100% assure you, dragons were NOT rooted during Velious era. What happened after Velious has nothing to do with P99. You are talking YEARS and almost 2 expansions after the fact and are further proving my point.
They also weren't rooted during Luclin era (at least for a long damn time) when several of us were actually in the zone with farm crews. I was part of a channel I created named "Dozekar". We used this channel to farm Dozekar, Seru and Several NTOV dragons. We were killing Dozekar with 9 people in full Luclin gear and he wasn't rooted. Neither were the other dragons.
Arguing against this just proves you never participated. So again, why the hell are the dragons rooted during Velious?
Teppler
08-15-2019, 03:54 PM
Is it completely fair to say rooting dragons has been a complete and utter failure at this point? It’s a failed experiment.
The object was to increase competition and make things less zerg’y right? If not, someone correct me and tell me what it was for.
It’s done the complete utter opposite. It’s destroyed any semblance of competition and has taken zerging to the next level.
I suppose the problem should been seen early on when Rogean talked about leap frogging being in bad taste.... but when the pressures on that is clearly the only way to win mobs. There was a weakness in the plan from that very moment when everyone realized the bottle neck there.
Psyborg
08-15-2019, 04:01 PM
They could go the Old School Runescape route and continue to add new unique content in the spirit of the original game. It sounds a bit odd but it was a really successful strategy for the Runescape team.
I can see that down the line. I wouldn't oppose anything that is executed well.
Endonde
08-15-2019, 04:13 PM
Is it completely fair to say rooting dragons has been a complete and utter failure at this point? It’s a failed experiment.
The object was to increase competition and make things less zerg’y right? If not, someone correct me and tell me what it was for.
It’s done the complete utter opposite. It’s destroyed any semblance of competition and has taken zerging to the next level.
I suppose the problem should been seen early on when Rogean talked about leap frogging being in bad taste.... but when the pressures on that is clearly the only way to win mobs. There was a weakness in the plan from that very moment when everyone realized the bottle neck there.
Pretty sure the objective was to stop guilds from training the entire zone all over the place and force them to actually go experience the zone in a more classic manner, and that has been a success.
I think rooted dragons killed small guilds so I don't like it a ton, but it accomplished what the devs wanted to accomplish.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 04:16 PM
Is it completely fair to say rooting dragons has been a complete and utter failure at this point? It’s a failed experiment.
The object was to increase competition and make things less zerg’y right? If not, someone correct me and tell me what it was for.
It’s done the complete utter opposite. It’s destroyed any semblance of competition and has taken zerging to the next level.
I suppose the problem should been seen early on when Rogean talked about leap frogging being in bad taste.... but when the pressures on that is clearly the only way to win mobs. There was a weakness in the plan from that very moment when everyone realized the bottle neck there.
So you want to go back to zone pulls?
Teppler
08-15-2019, 04:29 PM
Pretty sure the objective was to stop guilds from training the entire zone all over the place and force them to actually go experience the zone in a more classic manner, and that has been a success.
I think rooted dragons killed small guilds so I don't like it a ton, but it accomplished what the devs wanted to accomplish.
That's so odd though. A non classic change to make the experience more classic and in the process clobbered every guild that existed at the time of the rule change. That's a destructive mindset and not consistent. How about every other small thing that people are exploited that wasn't completely known in 1999? Why the exception in this case? It had to of been because of the guild atmosphere at the time.
But yeah, if this is what the devs want it like, it's hard to argue against.
madiguz1215
08-15-2019, 04:30 PM
Pretty sure the objective was to stop guilds from training the entire zone all over the place and force them to actually go experience the zone in a more classic manner, and that has been a success.
I think rooted dragons killed small guilds so I don't like it a ton, but it accomplished what the devs wanted to accomplish.
What small guilds are you/others referring to? There was really only one, maybe two (and not for very long might I add) that were competing on a daily basis. PS was already on the verge of trying to merge with another guild before rooted dragons were even a thing and BG is almost only in ToV during quakes. I think the one guild it hurt the most was AG, but even they struggled to gather a pull-team every week, and the way they were going would have been tough to sustain.
This talk of zerging is utter nonsense. A lot of the time AM brings similar numbers to Riot, and when they don't the numbers aren't far off, either. What rooted dragons has come down to is strategy, timing, and execution. Make all the excuses you want, but if you don't have motivated raiders and knowledgeable leaders you will fail.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 04:41 PM
That's so odd though. A non classic change to make the experience more classic and in the process clobbered every guild that existed at the time of the rule change. That's a destructive mindset and not consistent. How about every other small thing that people are exploited that wasn't completely known in 1999? Why the exception in this case? It had to of been because of the guild atmosphere at the time.
But yeah, if this is what the devs want it like, it's hard to argue against.
Build a better mouse trap, make a smarter mouse.
The players don't want to be classic. They want to evolve and grow in a static environment. This is a museum that is live at the same time. With people wanting the classic experience but they are leagues beyond it.
Don't want rooted dragons? ok. Don't want borderline exploit zone pulls that make playing a class pointless? (the pulls teams have a hardon) ok. You are going to need rules that say they can't. The rules would also be not classic. Some guy like Hyjal will be in here saying "Why is X rule in place when it wasn't in classic? omg I can't understand.." so whatever rules you put in place would be bucked.
The issue is these things were not being done during classic, some people say they were but its hearsay, so the classic in era developers never had to address people doing these things. These are done on P99 because 20 years later, expansions after Velious with knowledge gained, LOTS more time to try things as there is no rush before the next expansion here.
The game might be classic but the players ARE NOT. There is no developer team trying to recreate the classic era Hyjal so he plays the game like he did in 2001. If I am wrong about zone pulls, mage bots everywhere in the zone during 2001 classic velious era, multiple accounts for guild mates to log on to make things work.. then I will take all my comments back and STFU.
Teppler
08-15-2019, 04:48 PM
What small guilds are you/others referring to? There was really only one, maybe two (and not for very long might I add) that were competing on a daily basis. PS was already on the verge of trying to merge with another guild before rooted dragons were even a thing and BG is almost only in ToV during quakes. I think the one guild it hurt the most was AG, but even they struggled to gather a pull-team every week, and the way they were going would have been tough to sustain.
This talk of zerging is utter nonsense. A lot of the time AM brings similar numbers to Riot, and when they don't the numbers aren't far off, either. What rooted dragons has come down to is strategy, timing, and execution. Make all the excuses you want, but if you don't have motivated raiders and knowledgeable leaders you will fail.
I suspect AM had a pull team pre rooted dragons that is head and shoulders above anything riot is fielding now, especially when kelz was more active. Is that not an incredible EQ skill? Is this not strategy, timing and execution?
Talking about skill in this case is silly when you are competing against a team that's been clearly burned and continually burned out by the rule change.
Imagine what happens to Riot now if some rule change happens where crews of 20-30 people complete in TOV. Would the guild survive that? Maybe in some form but you guys built yourselves to do something else. Every guild that was built prerooting was built to do something else. AM was able to adjust the best but even they are struggling because they were built to do something else for so long. The adjustment was destructive all over and underestimated by everyone clearly.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 04:48 PM
A huge nut for classic experience. How many have shunned the use of youtube, discord, Teamspeak, ANY OTHER organizing/communications tool save for something like AOL instant messenger and ICQ, the Wiki page as well?
2019 tools to straight over lord a 1999 game.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 04:50 PM
A roleplaying game at that. All of the extra stuff takes a person OUT of the game. I think it misses the point. I am just as guilty of using these things as any but at least I can see that.
Fammaden
08-15-2019, 05:06 PM
I suspect AM had a pull team pre rooted dragons that is head and shoulders above anything riot is fielding now, especially when kelz was more active. Is that not an incredible EQ skill? Is this not strategy, timing and execution?
Talking about skill in this case is silly when you are competing against a team that's been clearly burned and continually burned out by the rule change.
Imagine what happens to Riot now if some rule change happens where crews of 20-30 people complete in TOV. Would the guild survive that? Maybe in some form but you guys built yourselves to do something else. Every guild that was built prerooting was built to do something else. AM was able to adjust the best but even they are struggling because they were built to do something else for so long. The adjustment was destructive all over and underestimated by everyone clearly.
Imagine if AM had jumped all over helping to develop a rotation plan. Braknar might not have quit, then the dragon rooting might not have happened, then Riot maybe doesn't get to take over.
Wonkie
08-15-2019, 05:07 PM
Rootated dragons :)
kaizersoze
08-15-2019, 05:15 PM
Rooted dragons that aoe root players.
Teppler
08-15-2019, 05:15 PM
Rootated dragons :)
Yeah so now that Riot is in control now I guess we'll be seeing a rotation right away then.
kaizersoze
08-15-2019, 05:17 PM
Rotation? ROTATION!? You may as well instance it! We want competition! RAH RAH RAH
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 05:25 PM
Yeah so now that Riot is in control now I guess we'll be seeing a rotation right away then.
Yeah, the issue then becomes guild size. (limits are not classic as this did not have to be addressed in era)
1. Keep guilds big. When your spot in the rotation comes around there is little pixels for the amount in the guild. This will most likely cause the zerg guild to break up (not a bad thing)
2. Smaller guilds. Strike forces etc. Having many of these increases the time between rotations for everyone else. This will cause people to make alts and put them in many guilds to increase their pixel intake. There will be no rules against alts or alt accounts to do this because it was never done in era so original developers never had to address it. read: not classic.
3. You are left with having big guilds go after things to satisfy members, rotations that mean you really don't need to log on for up to 5-8 weeks if you are just raiding, which many do and they don't play the game. Many hate the game and only like raiding.
4. The server will bleed players until only those are left that can get along with whatever ruleset is in place. At this point you don't need rotations or any weird rules. The few super dedicated left will be getting the top pixels just like in classic... but posting it on Youtube.
Wonkie
08-15-2019, 05:26 PM
Yeah so now that Riot is in control now I guess we'll be seeing a rotation right away then.
Have u tried asking them
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 05:35 PM
Instances were put in to relieve all of these problems... but in doing so they left a shallow husk of a game. There is no need to have the MMO in MMORPG when you instance. Bump into a elf in town, say hi and proceed to your own little game within the game free from anyone else.
kaizersoze
08-15-2019, 05:43 PM
They put instances in later (with a mix of open world mobs as well) because they realized the way it worked was stupid. Because their PAYING subscribers shouldn't need to jeopardize their livelihood calling in sick just to track mobs on an elf sim. That maybe a game / work / family balance was far more healthy than "race all the competition." You already need to grind the ever living fuck out of the game as it is.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 05:49 PM
They put instances in later (with a mix of open world mobs as well) because they realized the way it worked was stupid. Because their PAYING subscribers shouldn't need to jeopardize their livelihood calling in sick just to track mobs on an elf sim. That maybe a game / work / family balance was far more healthy than "race all the competition." You already need to grind the ever living fuck out of the game as it is.
Play another game. Might I suggest Morrowind? the last TES game where you have levitate.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 05:51 PM
I mean that is EQ. That is its identity.
It wasn't designed to fit into the busy schedule of all the things you describe. Thank god, even though it means I PERSONALLY do not get all the loot as I have things to be doing. The game isn't meant to cater to me, to love me tenderly and stroke my cock.
Those game considerations came later as my generation grew up and started wanting games to suit their new lifestyles. Personally I think those games blow shit.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 05:52 PM
"I pay for it, I should get all the loot and content"
its just so damn self serving.
kaizersoze
08-15-2019, 06:02 PM
You do realize that even in instances you could fail, right? Wipes still happened and encounters had to be ground out well through the game as I played it (and even through now I'm sure.) Instances didn't necessarily cater to every player, you still had to put in the work to meet the requirements for victory, but it didn't just cockblock you because 140 people joined one guild that took every single piece of content away from the rest of the playerbase.
kaizersoze
08-15-2019, 06:04 PM
I mean really, why do you think WoW killed EQ to begin with? lol
feniin
08-15-2019, 06:09 PM
You do realize that even in instances you could fail, right? Wipes still happened and encounters had to be ground out well through the game as I played it (and even through now I'm sure.) Instances didn't necessarily cater to every player, you still had to put in the work to meet the requirements for victory, but it didn't just cockblock you because 140 people joined one guild that took every single piece of content away from the rest of the playerbase.
I'll use the same argument that Aftermath used against Kittens and others for so long -- Put in the work, make the effort, show up to compete. Aftermath has the numbers to compete, they're just used to getting their way so much that they don't know how to deal with competition anymore.
Wonkie
08-15-2019, 06:10 PM
Blake you are mentally ill
Trust me I would know :)
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 06:14 PM
You do realize that even in instances you could fail, right? Wipes still happened and encounters had to be ground out well through the game as I played it (and even through now I'm sure.) Instances didn't necessarily cater to every player, you still had to put in the work to meet the requirements for victory, but it didn't just cockblock you because 140 people joined one guild that took every single piece of content away from the rest of the playerbase.
That is P99.
On live it was self regulating. Most couldn't and wouldn't put the time in for this game. It was laughable to think it. That includes me, working full time with little for it.
I mean really, why do you think WoW killed EQ to begin with? lol
Ease and being satisfied. EQ is the blonde that teases and WOW was the brunette that pleases.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 06:15 PM
Blake you are mentally ill
Trust me I would know :)
I am not going to argue it but you might want to be more specific. You will never see me running down the street screaming or shooting up some mall. I am stubborn about what I like and the reasons I like it, I am ill about that for sure.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 06:21 PM
Wow also sucked the life out of the mmo scene. Everything tried to compete and become the better wow. After so many years the genre died and it was only WoW as a solitary entity. The post wow mmos out there hold little if any interest for me. They never will.
It is pleasing to me that Blizzard rode the train so hard they took on partners and little if anything is left of the original teams that "created the magic". The genre is dead and so is the company, I wouldn't touch those other new games with your dick.
rezzie
08-15-2019, 06:26 PM
I'll use the same argument that Aftermath used against Kittens and others for so long -- Put in the work, make the effort, show up to compete. Aftermath has the numbers to compete, they're just used to getting their way so much that they don't know how to deal with competition anymore.
The argument was also valid: AG put in work, made the effort, showed up, and won. Same for PS.
It was also made in the era when a 5-10 man pull team could carry a guild, and casual guilds (like AG, PS) could win FTE/snipe dropped pulls, and smaller guilds (Core) could do low man content. Zerging helped 24/7 coverage, but diminishing returns bit for anything over a minimal kill force.
The rooting of dragons has clearly changed the meta for some targets - mostly the NToV inner ring - and it encourages zerging far beyond 24/7 coverage and far beyond a minimal kill force.
As long as you can field more people than your competition, you can engage with more mobs/guards up and effectively have uncontested kills. That was never the case during zone line pulls.
There's always a summer lull and Riot's 421 raiders has clearly given them the advantage over us.
Wonkie
08-15-2019, 06:28 PM
I am not going to argue it but you might want to be more specific. You will never see me running down the street screaming or shooting up some mall. I am stubborn about what I like and the reasons I like it, I am ill about that for sure.
Stubborn is one way to describe it. Self-loathing is another. Why surrender your treasure and time for an experience that degrades you?
Or is that your kink? :eek:
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 06:30 PM
Grats PS on your 1 or 2 dragons.
Mblake81
08-15-2019, 06:35 PM
Stubborn is one way to describe it. Self-loathing is another. Why surrender your treasure and time for an experience that degrades you?
We are not having this talk, I obviously don't value treasure or time.
Wonkie
08-15-2019, 06:36 PM
We are not having this talk, I obviously don't value treasure or time.
qed
Daloon
08-15-2019, 07:14 PM
I don't understand the classic WoW frenzy. There have been vanilla WoW freeshards for years. I fully scratched that itch in 2018. Why the hell would you pay for the privilege?
I was a rank14 in Vanilla and didnt even make it to level 60 on Nostalrius or Kronos. I think those servers had a huge turnover and the level 60 scene was nothing compared to their hyped launch days. I think people feel this one is official so they will be more connected to their characters, and paying a $15/month premium just compounds that level of immersion. People from many different gaming backgrounds are playing Vanilla in 10 days, and its going to be amazing.
Stroboo
08-15-2019, 07:29 PM
If they want to distribute loot to more guilds they could always make Vulak respawn all of NToV. When all the dragons are up at once (like after earthquakes) there is plenty to go around. Make him similar to CT but maybe no chance for any dragons to spawn prior to Vulak, to keep overall drops the same-ish
Nuggie
08-15-2019, 07:36 PM
@Loramin
We're bantering semantics at this point, I think. But I never said they were rooted during the Velious timeline. I said:
Weren't the dragons rooted at some point? If not on the Velious timeline I believe not long after. Which makes the fix not exactly outlandish. But •thing given that were well past the Luclin launch date.
Then i provided quotes from a post from years back that had quotes from ZAM that proved my point that they were rooted "not long after."
What I was trying to convey was that since we're well past the velious timeline ending having rooted dragons isn't such an atrocity like Hyjal is trying to make it out to be. Maybe it's the "custom content portion" of the server?
Unlike you Nuggie, I was actually playing in the zone during Velious and Luclin. I was a raid leader in Club Fu
You're right. I was looking over my older brother's shoulder when he did it. No idea who Club Fu is. Not noteworthy enough to be remembered certainly. Nobody remembers B rate guilds. Don't feel sad. I was never in a memorable guild either.
and I can 100% assure you, dragons were NOT rooted during Velious era. What happened after Velious has nothing to do with P99. You are talking YEARS and almost 2 expansions after the fact and are further proving my point.
I think the following bolded items starting May of 2002 (following a Dec '01 launch of Luclin. Making it.... 5-6 months? hardly years or during PoP.) prove your statement wrong. You believe what you want to believe and that's fine. However, the historical data shows another story. I find this story to be less biased than your own. Again, custom content. If you don't like it, leave.
All of the posts on ZAM referring to the dragons being perma-rooted don't start showing up until after May of 2002. The Shadows of Luclin expansion launched on Dec 4th 2001.
May 16 2002 at 1:21 AM Rating: Default
20 of us kill him. long fight. his AC has been buffed to **** and back. dispels 1 buff. shrink all your casters and stick them behind the pillar.
now he is properaly rooted make sure you test your CH range BEFORE you attack him or your tank is gonna be cranky :P
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6468
Apr 07 2002 at 3:07 PM Rating: Default
The patch made these dragons easier due to the fact that they are now rooted. Don't have to worry about positioning now which is a plus. There HP were not changed.
Jul 15 2002 at 11:37 AM Rating: Default
We tried him last night, Gozz is perma rooted and can not be pushed. What I need to know is if disease or poison sticks on this guy. His regen is insane. We got him to 60% before clerics went oom and killed from low health agro due to rodding.
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Apr 19 2002 at 7:23 PM Rating: Default
only the keeper has been rooted...gozz/telk can still move
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6321
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she's perma-rooted. meaning she will not move when aggro'd. so don't try an pull her to a nice safe area cause it won't work
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she's gotta have like 500k hps! definately more than yelinak who is at 250k. quads for 900. aoe spin the bottle and a magic based dot that slows and takes away life. she's rooted. slowable as well. i think i got that right. anyway, she's definately is an endurance test.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6474
They also weren't rooted during Luclin era (at least for a long damn time)
I don't find 5-6 months a long time. Hyjal, maybe you fall in with the "millennial" crowd that way. No biggs. Difference of definition.
why the hell are the dragons rooted during Velious?
Because thats what the server management team wants. If you don't find their version of classic EQ fun, there are other servers out there. You can make your own. Or you can sit here and complain about it like a chump. I sure wish you'd choose one of the first two and take your cancerous attitude with you.
Hyjalx
08-15-2019, 08:11 PM
Nuggie, you must be braindead. Whether it was during PoP or Luclin, it doesn't matter. It's all relative. It never happened when this game was in Velious. People are still using Velious gear. There is no higher end content and we don't have AA's or Luclin gear. If we did, ToV wouldn't require 100 players for dragons meant for much less.
There is a reason this server has stopped at Velious BTW...
And you're right. B-rated guild. Club Fu woke the sleeper on Bristlebane, an event I was a part of.
If you actually played from Classic to Velious during live instead of watching your brother when you were 5 years old, you might have a clue.
Hyjalx
08-15-2019, 08:19 PM
Please keep this up Nuggie, so you can keep proving my point home.
Wonkie
08-15-2019, 08:22 PM
Club Fu woke the sleeper on Bristlebane, an event I was a part of.
oh awesome man you're famous!
wanna sign my dick with your lips? :cool:
Nuggie
08-15-2019, 08:46 PM
Alright, I'm out of troll-sauce. Give you more love another day. ;)
loramin
08-15-2019, 08:54 PM
@Loramin
We're bantering semantics at this point, I think. But I never said they were rooted during the Velious timeline. I said:
Huh? I wasn't responding to some other post you made (not quite sure why you thought that), I was responding to the one I quoted:
The dragons were never rooted on live during this era. It was never designed that way. During Luclin and PoP we were still pulling the dragons around NTOV with farm crews. Some of them even came to the zone in during the Velious era (Eashan/Ikatar).
https://www.project1999.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-220561.html
This post pretty easily proves your quote wrong, or misleading atleast depending on how the sentence could be spun.
There's absolutely no ambiguity there. The quote you took of Hyjal's had four points:
The dragons were never rooted on live during this era.
It was never designed that way.
During Luclin and PoP we were still pulling the dragons around NTOV with farm crews.
Some of them even came to the zone in during the Velious era (Eashan/Ikatar).
Again, I could care less about your feud with Hyjal, but you made a patently false claim when you said: "This post pretty easily proves your quote wrong, or misleading atleast". It didn't: all of Hyjal's points except maybe the one about the design were accurate (and while that one is subjective, the link you provided didn't dispute the design claim either).
No idea who Club Fu is. Not noteworthy enough to be remembered certainly. Nobody remembers B rate guilds. Don't feel sad. I was never in a memorable guild either.
Club Fu was definitely the #1 guild on the Bristlebane server from very early on until well past PoP. Shout out to Dome, Engell, Meriadoc, and the rest (I wasn't actually in the guild but was friends with a bunch IRL).
But whether any guild, other than Fires of Heaven was actually memorable on live, outside their own server ... I mean in my opinion not really. Whether that makes every top guild on every server a "B guild" and FoH the only "A guild"? Comes down to semantics I suppose ;)
Nuggie
08-15-2019, 09:05 PM
Well, as far as A rate guilds go I'd say Triton, FoH, LoS, etc. Club Fu makes the B rate guild list like Conquest from Lanys does.
As far as the snippet you quoted, it looked like you were taking it in a vacuum away from the rest of the conversation. And also, my goal was to troll the prick not have a real debate.
mycoolrausch
08-16-2019, 12:33 AM
Wow also sucked the life out of the mmo scene. Everything tried to compete and become the better wow. After so many years the genre died and it was only WoW as a solitary entity. The post wow mmos out there hold little if any interest for me. They never will.
It is pleasing to me that Blizzard rode the train so hard they took on partners and little if anything is left of the original teams that "created the magic". The genre is dead and so is the company, I wouldn't touch those other new games with your dick.
I think we're just in a technology plateau. We're not used to it because gaming technology advanced exponentially, unstopped, from the 70s through early 2000s. Then it continued to advance in terms of graphics, physics, etc, but AI and core game mechanic technology has remain unchanged for 15 years now or so. When there's significant improvements in dynamic content and AI gameplay will take another leap forward and the next wave of post-WoW mmos will finally come out. And one of them will cater to hardcore purist weirdos, but it wont have 100% content cock blocking. No game will, and no game did. Only p99, a fake game.
Kayso2
08-16-2019, 12:47 AM
Well this thread has taken a turn for the stupid. Starts out as a another timely and well deserved thread about AM getting their comeuppance. Quickly devolves into talk about rotations, rooted dragons, and what people did on live. What is wrong with you people?
Dildy
08-16-2019, 05:51 PM
nerf soulfire.
Artelius Lightweaver 60 PAL <auld lang syne>
Bardp1999
08-16-2019, 06:49 PM
The game is over, the Sleeper is dead, and a new server is coming out. Blue has been active for 10 years now. Let it die peacefully without these embarrassing posts about competition in 2019
tortue
08-16-2019, 11:30 PM
Monrezz worst officer ever
rezzie
08-17-2019, 12:38 AM
Monrezz worst officer ever
That's the second time I've heard that in a week.
:(
Arkanjil
08-17-2019, 03:14 AM
LOL
Arkanjil
08-17-2019, 03:14 AM
https://i.imgur.com/5ien8wM.png
demonith
08-17-2019, 03:38 AM
i clicked on this thread wondering if there was any insight. instead i walked into a clown donkey show porn shoot and im disappointed?
Kayso2
08-17-2019, 03:56 AM
i clicked on this thread wondering if there was any insight. instead i walked into a clown donkey show porn shoot and im disappointed?
I always get the one where there's a clown and a donkey mixed up with the one where there's a donkey in clown makeup.
demonith
08-17-2019, 04:00 AM
I always get the one where there's a clown and a donkey mixed up with the one where there's a donkey in clown makeup.
for real, like which one is the donkey and which is the clown? or the is the donkey the clown and we are all pawns of the show?
kekeshi
08-20-2019, 02:27 AM
AM attempts to out-zerg the competition this cycle by stringing along AEGIS for 150 man raids yet still gets shit on by <Riot>. Their saving grace this cycle being an uncontested Dozekar.
At least AM and AEGIS pals got to watch while a single guild killed Vulak and AoW. Would have been a lot of salty members after splitting that loot up with 10 guilds.
imsorryGMs
08-20-2019, 02:50 AM
I wonder why Aegismath didn't go for AoW this morning?
Let me guess, was your plan to let riot get a crack at it and pray for a wipe and snipe? Solid strategy.
imsorryGMs
08-20-2019, 02:52 AM
At least y'all got a nice statue and vindi, hurray.
rezzie
08-20-2019, 09:52 AM
At least AM and AEGIS pals got to watch while a single guild killed Vulak and AoW. Would have been a lot of salty members after splitting that loot up with 10 guilds.
<Anonymous>
<Azure Guard>
<Core>
<Europa>
<Infernus>
<Feral Kittens Who Say Meow>
<Omni>
<Paradigm Shift>
<Tempest>
Were you being ironic, or oblivious?
Ruhtar
08-20-2019, 09:55 AM
Lots of chirpy Riot wall lickers this morning!
Was Robthe not available this cycle to secure FTEs?
Robthe is usually AFK when he gets his FTEs, so not sure how he wasn't "available."
imsorryGMs
08-20-2019, 09:56 AM
<Anonymous>
<Azure Guard>
<Core>
<Europa>
<Infernus>
<Feral Kittens Who Say Meow>
<Omni>
<Paradigm Shift>
<Tempest>
Were you being ironic, or oblivious?
Checkmate
Ruhtar
08-20-2019, 10:18 AM
<Anonymous>
<Azure Guard>
<Core>
<Europa>
<Infernus>
<Feral Kittens Who Say Meow>
<Omni>
<Paradigm Shift>
<Tempest>
Were you being ironic, or oblivious?
Weird...the only guild tag I saw on Vulak was <Riot>
You act like most of the names seen running around with the AM tag aren't from other guilds.
Convict
08-20-2019, 12:22 PM
<Anonymous>
<Azure Guard>
<Core>
<Europa>
<Infernus>
<Feral Kittens Who Say Meow>
<Omni>
<Paradigm Shift>
<Tempest>
Were you being ironic, or oblivious?
not sure why AG is in this list. A decent chunk of players went from AG to riot but was lightyears away from being "absorbed"
mattydef
08-20-2019, 01:07 PM
At least AM and AEGIS pals got to watch while a single guild killed Vulak and AoW. Would have been a lot of salty members after splitting that loot up with 10 guilds.
What guild were you in prior to Riot? Definitely not Anonymous, I would have known if I was guilded with someone this stupid.
Molitoth
08-20-2019, 01:39 PM
not sure why AG is in this list. A decent chunk of players went from AG to riot but was lightyears away from being "absorbed"
None of these guilds were "absorbed" outside of the merge between PS and Core.
Any others went through an app process.
https://media.makeameme.org/created/if-i-build-5af1f3.jpg
Endonde
08-20-2019, 01:45 PM
What was the guild that recruited in ooc for anyone 46+ so they could kill ToV dragons?
Detoxx
08-20-2019, 07:28 PM
What was the guild that recruited in ooc for anyone 46+ so they could kill ToV dragons?
the guild you were in for years but apparently didnt like but stayed to get loot. whats that say you as a person?
Cecily
08-20-2019, 08:29 PM
I just wanna congratulate Aftermath for getting as far as they did as long as they did with an ESL guild leader.
Syche
08-20-2019, 08:37 PM
I just wanna congratulate Aftermath for getting as far as they did as long as they did with an ESL guild leader.
I lol'd.
Endonde
08-20-2019, 09:18 PM
the guild you were in for years but apparently didnt like but stayed to get loot. whats that say you as a person?
It was worth it just to get to laugh at you honestly.
imsorryGMs
08-20-2019, 11:32 PM
I just wanna congratulate Aftermath for getting as far as they did as long as they did with an ESL guild leader.
Finally, something funny from cecily
feniin
08-20-2019, 11:35 PM
lol, instead of working something out in the P99 UN Channel any time in the last several months as it's been brought up, Detoxx proposes something that won't affect him as he leaves the server and puts Riot on the spot. Classy as always, 'toxx.
booter
08-21-2019, 11:47 AM
such a fox news move
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