A transparent attempt to martyr someone who has broken every rule on the server

[Bruuce]

another sad story of a stars light burning out too quickly. we all knew there were big things in store for him, but turns out to be just another tragic tale of a loved one getting taken away from us too soon. upon seeing he was no longer with us, i went through his posts in remembrance of our fallen friend. post your favorite moments with our dear friend Salty(rip)

If you are not pulling your camp than I will pull it for you.

If you are pulling your camp, than I can't pull your camp.

words to live by. i was always impressed with the way Salty was able to turn even the most complex problems or issues people have, and break it down so anyone could understand.

I believe i have an un-used tralina cyber gift card i can give. I'll toss it to uthgaard, you guys turn in your un-used cyber card too.

whether its ingame pixels or help, or irl goods and services, Salty was always there to share with his community. a true class act

And then you have the plethora of infomations he has shared with us in order to make this the best classic experience we could have. Going out of his way and willing to bear the burden of revealing when people are openly and blatantly cheating despite what could happen to him in that process.

I will miss you buddy. I hope our paths will one day meat again

[senna]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01292/lighter_1292320c.jpg

[Ihealyou]

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[Rushmore]

what happened?
(getting trolled)

[Nightsorrows]

I doubt he cares. He's too busy doing big things in Miami.

[Bruuce]

what happened?
(getting trolled)

this thread isnt about discussing gm decisions because we all know talking about a decision that a gm made is one of the worst things you can do here.

this thread is about remembering salty and the joy that he brought us everyday

[redghosthunter]

on VzTz- Funniest thing i remember about Salty is his dead corpse on the banker counter in Felwithe. I bank and say- hey salt, dont look like ya doing too good. All and all I can say when it comes to Salty, if he is really gone it will be a loss.

[casdegere]

I thought he was kind of amusing myself however the GMs don't have time for asshats, people who enjoy annoying them...hackers/MQers, and people who consistently grind their patience. They give up their time to keep this running...for everyone else. If their decisions made him angry or upset or whatever, no one was forcing him to play on their server.

[Bruuce]

I thought he was kind of amusing myself however the GMs don't have time for asshats, people who enjoy annoying them...hackers/MQers, and people who consistently grind their patience. They give up their time to keep this running...for everyone else. If their decisions made him angry or upset or whatever, no one was forcing him to play on their server.

i think you posted this in the wrong thread or something? salty never did any of those things. lets keep this thread on track. this is about salty, not corrupt gms or gm favoritism or anything like that

[Smedy]

Oh salty =( He attempted to dribble with the referees, that never turns out well..

[Envious]

Thats because he is a fucking moron Smedy.

[Excision Rottun]

I have infoz Salty isn't actually banned, he just broke his hip.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/168332d1302328231-current-protest-images-tyenbroken.png

[wehrmacht]

I found him on In Por Ylem

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2878/unledtj.png

[Bodeanicus]

Meat again? Freudian slip?

[Zereh]

Meat again? Freudian slip?

[Hasbinbad]

Please watch this video in Salty's memory.

We will miss you Salty.

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[Bruno]

http://i55.tinypic.com/2lk62e1.jpg

Looks like he's ok.

[Bruuce]

yeah a few days after salty got banned and the p1999 thread at foh went from a casual discussion about a fun place to get your free classic eq experience on, to people proclaiming their disgust and blatant examples of gm favoritism and/or corruption, nilbog and rogean came over to try and save face. once they heard about saltys and some other fellows injustices they did what they could to fix it. unfortunately the damage has already been done.

[Hasbinbad]

yeah a few days after salty got banned and the p1999 thread at foh went from a casual discussion about a fun place to get your free classic eq experience on, to people proclaiming their disgust and blatant examples of gm favoritism and/or corruption, nilbog and rogean came over to try and save face. once they heard about saltys and some other fellows injustices they did what they could to fix it. unfortunately the damage has already been done.
Oh noes! The server is gonna end because foh forum fuckwads are mad coz salty got banned!! Doom and gloom! p99 is dead now!!

[Bruuce]

wasnt saying that, especially considering 95% of the foh people already quit like 6+ months ago. and a bunch of us will still prob hit up the red server if it ever happens.

was just saying, its apparent that they dont want a thread title about their server named 'p1999/CORRUPT' because 24 hours after the thread name was changed to that, nilbog and rogaen came over trying to claim there is no corruption and how their is no favoritism. examples were posted. salty and some other people that were banned are now unbanned. ur foolin if you think they dont want a negative billboard on the most relevant everquest related messageboard on the internet.

[Origin]

He will be missed.

[Envious]

There are like 2 people on the FoH forums that are worthy of being pissed on while burning.

They just shit up the entire internet, cry, piss and moan, etc.

When the fuck was the last time that guild was even remotely relevant?

[Envious]

But wait!

They are going to take over the P99 and Red99 servers! With a quick to burn out group of trash 35yr old PvE'ers, and a group of utterly bad PvPers!

[Bruuce]

the board itself has little to do (anymore) with what in game variations of the guild are doing in their respective mmos. are you seriously talking about relevancy here? lol. i was in a UStop 15 guild in wow during wotlk-cata. tell me, what have you done remotely relevant lately?

[Chanur]

Bruuce he has a big mouth on a emu forum obviously he is srs bsns.

[Seaweedpimp]

the board itself has little to do (anymore) with what in game variations of the guild are doing in their respective mmos. are you seriously talking about relevancy here? lol. i was in a UStop 15 guild in wow during wotlk-cata. tell me, what have you done remotely relevant lately?

Im impressed bro.

Lulz

[Bruuce]

im p sure youre being sarcastic because i doubt a person of your caliber has ever experienced any type of top tier end game raiding.

[jarooneh]

im p sure youre being sarcastic because i doubt a person of your caliber has ever experienced any type of top tier end game raiding.

Fag.

[Lazortag]

Wait, banning Salty is an example of GM corruption? Are you serious? Have I missed the joke?

[Uthgaard]

yeah a few days after salty got banned and the p1999 thread at foh went from a casual discussion about a fun place to get your free classic eq experience on, to people proclaiming their disgust and blatant examples of gm favoritism and/or corruption, nilbog and rogean came over to try and save face. once they heard about saltys and some other fellows injustices they did what they could to fix it. unfortunately the damage has already been done.

No. You really want to know what happened?

It was never intended to stick. I did everything I wanted to do with that ban. Salty is always trolling other people for his own entertainment. And now that big Salty got trolled by big Uthgaard, he cried.

And he cried louder than anyone he's ever trolled before, like a bitch. Salty, you got trolled son. And now anyone you ever troll again, can rub your face in this and laugh.

[21:49] [Uthgaard] took care of salty for you
[21:49] [Secrets] thanks :]
[21:49] [Uthgaard] when he complains about his suspensions (forum and in game), i'll let him know that we can troll him too
[21:50] [Secrets] ok
[21:50] [Secrets] thanks so much :D
[21:51] [Uthgaard] np
[21:51] [Uthgaard] so you think there's a block on gypsy/wolf elemental models too?

[Ennoia]

No. You really want to know what happened?

It was never intended to stick. I did everything I wanted to do with that ban. Salty is always trolling other people for his own entertainment. And now that big Salty got trolled by big Uthgaard, he cried.

And he cried louder than anyone he's ever trolled before, like a bitch. Salty, you got trolled son. And now anyone you ever troll again, can rub your face in this and laugh.

tl;dr version: Uthgaard > Salty.

[Bruuce]

No. You really want to know what happened?

It was never intended to stick. I did everything I wanted to do with that ban. Salty is always trolling other people for his own entertainment. And now that big Salty got trolled by big Uthgaard, he cried.

And he cried louder than anyone he's ever trolled before, like a bitch. Salty, you got trolled son. And now anyone you ever troll again, can rub your face in this and laugh.


Where and who did he cry to? Hes been out of town for almost the entire time this has been going down. Are you referring how he made it public what happened to him on a forum where you have no control to censor or stop what he has to say? Its whatever tho, keep up the great work 'trolling' people by handing out random bans for mysterious reasons with no explanation. Nah, no corruption or favoritism going on here.

You also might want to let your bosses know that youre just banning people for fun and to troll, because when they come to our house and try to explain how the bans were justified and start quoting rules and other shit that were broken, it kinda makes you guys look silly.

[Tiggles]

Where and who did he cry to? Hes been out of town for almost the entire time this has been going down. Are you referring how he made it public what happened to him on a forum where you have no control to censor or stop what he has to say? Its whatever tho, keep up the great work 'trolling' people by handing out random bans for mysterious reasons with no explanation. Nah, no corruption or favoritism going on here.

You also might want to let your bosses know that youre just banning people for fun and to troll, because when they come to our house and try to explain how the bans were justified and start quoting rules and other shit that were broken, it kinda makes you guys look silly.

I saw you ban this guy

He would freak out!

[Lazortag]

Its whatever tho, keep up the great work 'trolling' people by handing out random bans for mysterious reasons with no explanation. Nah, no corruption or favoritism going on here.

You also might want to let your bosses know that youre just banning people for fun and to troll, because when they come to our house and try to explain how the bans were justified and start quoting rules and other shit that were broken, it kinda makes you guys look silly.

Dude. We're talking about Salty here. Salty is guilty until proven innocent. There's no "mystery" behind a Salty ban. Do you even know who Salty is?

[EkireiTheNecro]

Salty gets banned and VZTZ trash talk dies down significantly ....

Coincidence?

I think not.

[Iadien]

[21:49] [Uthgaard] took care of salty for you
[21:49] [Secrets] thanks :]
[21:49] [Uthgaard] when he complains about his suspensions (forum and in game), i'll let him know that we can troll him too
[21:50] [Secrets] ok
[21:50] [Secrets] thanks so much
[21:51] [Uthgaard] np
[21:51] [Uthgaard] so you think there's a block on gypsy/wolf elemental models too?

A GM doing this, lol. :rolleyes:

[Envious]

Wait, banning Salty is an example of GM corruption? Are you serious? Have I missed the joke?

^ This. Banning that pair of fucking clownshoes was the best thing any admin could have done, and I sent at least one of them a kudos PM for doing so.


Bruuce, nobody cares. FoH is trash, have been for years. Nothing of any productive value comes from those forums, just Lols. And the Lols are pretty dried up after the "SamDeathwalker 20 Box's WoW" thread.

FYI, with the low player retention, high burnout rates, and cyclical nature of being a Top # guild in WoW, thats not fucking impressive either. Prolly 1/3 of this entire fucking forum that played WoW was in a top 20-50 guild at one point.

[Bruuce]

really? because id be willing to bet not 1 single person here has a kill on their characters armory with a heroic lich king kill pre 20% buff or a sinestra kill. you clearly dont know wtf youre talking about

[Secrets]

Tbh, my reaction was "heh, thanks for doing it. I don't really care because he's trolled me so long that I don't really care anymore what he says because it's invalidated because he's salty.", but it came out that way.

[Littlegyno]

Fucking pathetic.

[Littlegyno]

No. You really want to know what happened?

It was never intended to stick. I did everything I wanted to do with that ban. Salty is always trolling other people for his own entertainment. And now that big Salty got trolled by big Uthgaard, he cried.

And he cried louder than anyone he's ever trolled before, like a bitch. Salty, you got trolled son. And now anyone you ever troll again, can rub your face in this and laugh.

Posted after the fact nilbog trying to save face on fohguild.org.

Obvious ploy to save Uthgaard face.

[Secrets]

Posted after the fact nilbog trying to save face on fohguild.org.

Obvious ploy to save Uthgaard face.

Uthgaard did this on his own.

I didn't want to get involved in it. Wanna see my chat log with uthgaard? here's the full thing.

Session Close: Wed Apr 13 01:09:39 2011

Session Start: Wed Apr 13 01:09:39 2011
Session Ident: Uthgaard
Session Close: Wed Apr 13 19:38:39 2011

Session Start: Wed Apr 13 21:54:07 2011
Session Ident: Uthgaard
[21:54] Session Ident: Uthgaard (EQEmulator, Secrets) (-@Staff.Project1999.org)
[21:54] <Uthgaard> took care of salty for you
01[21:54] <Secrets> thanks :]
[21:54] <Uthgaard> when he complains about his suspensions (forum and in game), i'll let him know that we can troll him too
01[21:54] <Secrets> ok
01[21:54] <Secrets> thanks so much :D
[21:55] <Uthgaard> np
[21:56] <Uthgaard> so you think there's a block on gypsy/wolf elemental models too?
01[21:56] <Secrets> I think so, but I am not sure
01[21:56] <Secrets> I think it's a coding error, instead of a deliberate block
Session Close: Wed Apr 13 22:30:39 2011

That's all that happened. I didn't even ask to have him banned, Uthgaard did it on his own time. Nilbog reversed it after this drama started on FOH. Uthgaard posts in this thread after the ban is reversed. Personally I don't want Salty gone... he's trolled me hard sometimes, he may have cheated at one point, but he's also good at making his logic seem right on the internet. For that, I commend him.

The reason why I thanked Uthgaard at the time is because I thought he was doing his job, and thanked him for doing it, because I can not do anything about it and he thought it would be a good thing to ban him. Besides, the post I had was in rants & flames, I am technically not a developer since 2010, so it was legitimate that he was allowed to flame me. I thought it was funny that he got banned, personally, but that's because we've butted heads a lot.

That being said, we shouldn't really let personal vendettas get in the way (I had way too many of them when I was a developer, way too many to be a GM, and I stepped down because of them, they were getting in the way of my work.) and we should just move on from this with Salty unbanned. He didn't do anything wrong. He flamed an ex-developer, that's about it. That being said, if Salty gets banned for posting a troll post outside of rants and flames, I would say let that stay if I was still in power.

For the tl;drers --

Yes, Salty DID get banned for posting a flame post in rants & flames.

Yes, Uthgaard banned Salty on his own. I did not specifically ask him to do it.

No, I am not a developer. Even though I do developer things and keep in regular contact with the developers due to my involvement with the client and other tidbits lately, I am not an official developer and I should get the same privileges as Salty. That I will agree with, even if he's a troll.

Yes, Nilbog was trying to be the better man here. He posted on a forum inhabited by Fires of Heaven members trying to make things better with Salty. Salty was banned on these forums. The fact that Nilbog tried to reach out to him was mature.

tl;dr I had sex with a basketball.

[Secrets]

Keep in mind that posting on Fires of Heaven doesn't typically get you unbanned for things the p1999 staff had hard proof on you.

The "Salty" card only works when you are legitimately right.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

The "Salty" card only works when you are legitimately right.

http://www.mypokecard.com/en/Gallery/my/galery/O0xCKBlqlIFf.jpg

[Alex]

Solid move by Uth, Salty was a douche. A huge, e-peen stroking douche. Never spoken to the guy, simply reading his forum posts is enough to come to that conclusion.

Can we get the other e-peen stroking douches banned too? I vote for Smedy to go next.

[EkireiTheNecro]

he **may** have cheated at one point.

And the legend lives on...

[Salty]

Don't worry, mommy will protect you again someday

[naez]

I found him on In Por Ylem

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2878/unledtj.png

fuck ya bro UO the shit. this my sig I made a long time ago

http://i56.tinypic.com/m8d07o.gif

[Chanur]

Solid move by Uth, Salty was a douche. A huge, e-peen stroking douche. Never spoken to the guy, simply reading his forum posts is enough to come to that conclusion.

Can we get the other e-peen stroking douches banned too? I vote for Smedy to go next.

I would say start by banning that worthless douche Alex.

[Ridas]

Solid move by Uth, Salty was a douche. A huge, e-peen stroking douche. Never spoken to the guy, simply reading his forum posts is enough to come to that conclusion.

Can we get the other e-peen stroking douches banned too? I vote for Smedy to go next.

Banning people to troll them is just horrible work by a GM. Its not about, if you like Salty or not.

It was a decent move by Rogean and Nilbog to come over to FoH and explain the situation, even though they probably didnt know, what a shady move it was by Uthgaard back then.

[Uthgaard]

He definitely deserved his suspension. The only thing they didn't know, was what a waste of time it would be to to attempt to reason with the whining babies over on the pair of coattails that you call a community forum. You all can wallow in your own misery while attempting to convince the rest of the world that you have any clout at all. Quite the opposite, all your little picket line has done is prove to the rest of the world just how unimportant you all are.

Meanwhile, the rest of the server has come out loud and strong in support of me and my style of decision making. The community here doesn't like useless shitwads that do nothing but attempt to subvert their server for their own agenda. They know that I'm standing up for them and will not bend to a divisive bunch of garbage that marinates in its own mediocrity.

[Ridas]

You sure this "stupid whiney community" approach suits the Senior GM? I think its a valid point, that you shouldnt ban someone to just troll them.

But I guess you dont care and rather keep insulting me.

[Misto]

i'm amazed by how much free time u guys have

[Beastro]

@Secrets:

Project 1999 started development in early 2009, and was released in October of the same year. The mission of the project is to create the classic feeling that many had during the early days of Everquest during those time periods, starting with Classic content and releasing the other expansions and content on a similar timeline that was experienced on Live.

Server Staff

Management
Nilbog - Project Founder & Manager; Content Developer
Rogean - Project Manager; Server Administrator; Programmer

Development
Haynar - Programmer
Aeolwind - Content Developer
Wenai - Content Developer
Lany - Content Developer
Secrets - Content Developer
Spirell - Content Developer
Xzerion - Content Developer
Uthgaard - Content Developer

Game Support
Uthgaard - Senior Guide
Hobby - Guide
Ezuen - Guide

If you're on the staff, wear a tag please.

You look like every other player on here and without a tag wtf are people going to know they insulted a staff member if they get into a spat with you and wind up banned?

@Uthgaard

Try and moderate yourself, for the good of the project. I would recommend stepping down as a guide and focusing on content development solely.

I have no bone in this, I don't play on the server and just popped over when I heard red99 was in the works. I'm looking forward to it, rather I was until I started seeing things posted by you and SSs of certain broadcasts you've made.

Yes I did play on VZTZ but I doubt most people who played it even know who I am. I'm not "one of them" if you might think I am or even think of The Box players in Us vs Them terms.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/mmorpg-general-discussion/169004d1303087242-new-p1999-corrupt-classy.jpg

Not even Gronkus on the last day of VZTZ 1.0 was that disrespectful to the community.

You don't respect players, they won't respect you. It is up to you as an authority figure on this server to set the standard, not the likes of Salty.

Act in a manner becoming your position in this community or you'll slowly rot it to the core and it'll be as empty and lifeless as VZTZ became.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/mmorpg-general-discussion/168761d1302811645-new-p1999-corrupt-uthgaard-life-hate.jpg

You're a CS Rep, it's your duty to moderate disputes. What you just said there is that you refuse to do your job. Why would you say that?

I know you're overworked. All the more reason to focus on deving and leave the community in the hands of others with free time to waste and an unstressed temper.

The sad fact is that after reading so much over the last few days, I don't even know if my account here will remain open after posting this.

I hold no disrespect towards you or any member of the staff here, quite the opposite, it's because of this projects unique position that I'm very worried that it will be messed up over mundane, human trifles as what ruined VZTZ.

I want this project to succeed whether or not I play, whether or not a red server ever comes out because if you guys go under, it'll pull a massive carpet from underneath the eqemu community.

And as a PvPer, it'll be the last nail in the coffin for a classic red server.

So if I do get banned, consider this: You got rid of a potential new player and you just saved me a whole whack of time I might have wasted on your server before winding up banned over something silly if this post is enough to get the hammer put on me.

Further more, it'll be clear proof for others to the character of this staff.

[Tiggles]

@Secrets:



If you're on the staff, wear a tag please.

You look like every other player on here and without a tag wtf are people going to know they insulted a staff member if they get into a spat with you and wind up banned?

@Uthgaard

Try and moderate yourself, for the good of the project. I would recommend stepping down as a guide and focusing on content development solely.

I have no bone in this, I don't play on the server and just popped over when I heard red99 was in the works. I'm looking forward to it, rather I was until I started seeing things posted by you and SSs of certain broadcasts you've made.

Yes I did play on VZTZ but I doubt most people who played it even know who I am. I'm not "one of them" if you might think I am or even think of The Box players in Us vs Them terms.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/mmorpg-general-discussion/169004d1303087242-new-p1999-corrupt-classy.jpg

Not even Gronkus on the last day of VZTZ 1.0 was that disrespectful to the community.

You don't respect players, they won't respect you. It is up to you as an authority figure on this server to set the standard, not the likes of Salty.

Act in a manner becoming your position in this community or you'll slowly rot it to the core and it'll be as empty and lifeless as VZTZ became.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/mmorpg-general-discussion/168761d1302811645-new-p1999-corrupt-uthgaard-life-hate.jpg

You're a CS Rep, it's your duty to moderate disputes. What you just said there is that you refuse to do your job. Why would you say that?

I know you're overworked. All the more reason to focus on deving and leave the community in the hands of others with free time to waste and an unstressed temper.

The sad fact is that after reading so much over the last few days, I don't even know if my account here will remain open after posting this.

I hold no disrespect towards you or any member of the staff here, quite the opposite, it's because of this projects unique position that I'm very worried that it will be messed up over mundane, human trifles as what ruined VZTZ.

I want this project to succeed whether or not I play, whether or not a red server ever comes out because if you guys go under, it'll pull a massive carpet from underneath the eqemu community.

And as a PvPer, it'll be the last nail in the coffin for a classic red server.

So if I do get banned, consider this: You got rid of a potential new player and you just saved me a whole whack of time I might have wasted on your server before winding up banned over something silly if this post is enough to get the hammer put on me.

Further more, it'll be clear proof for others to the character of this staff.



I didn't read any of that but you're VZ/TZ far garbage and your opinion holds no weight here.

[Phallax]

I didn't read any of that but you're VZ/TZ far garbage and your opinion holds no weight here.

Actually his post was very intelligent and wasnt bias at all even if he was a VZTZ player.

Try not being an asshat if you didnt actually read the post just because "of the server they came from".

[naez]

ban beastro '011

[Pokeman]

@Secrets:



If you're on the staff, wear a tag please.

You look like every other player on here and without a tag wtf are people going to know they insulted a staff member if they get into a spat with you and wind up banned?

@Uthgaard

Try and moderate yourself, for the good of the project. I would recommend stepping down as a guide and focusing on content development solely.

I have no bone in this, I don't play on the server and just popped over when I heard red99 was in the works. I'm looking forward to it, rather I was until I started seeing things posted by you and SSs of certain broadcasts you've made.

Yes I did play on VZTZ but I doubt most people who played it even know who I am. I'm not "one of them" if you might think I am or even think of The Box players in Us vs Them terms.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/mmorpg-general-discussion/169004d1303087242-new-p1999-corrupt-classy.jpg

Not even Gronkus on the last day of VZTZ 1.0 was that disrespectful to the community.

You don't respect players, they won't respect you. It is up to you as an authority figure on this server to set the standard, not the likes of Salty.

Act in a manner becoming your position in this community or you'll slowly rot it to the core and it'll be as empty and lifeless as VZTZ became.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/mmorpg-general-discussion/168761d1302811645-new-p1999-corrupt-uthgaard-life-hate.jpg

You're a CS Rep, it's your duty to moderate disputes. What you just said there is that you refuse to do your job. Why would you say that?

I know you're overworked. All the more reason to focus on deving and leave the community in the hands of others with free time to waste and an unstressed temper.

The sad fact is that after reading so much over the last few days, I don't even know if my account here will remain open after posting this.

I hold no disrespect towards you or any member of the staff here, quite the opposite, it's because of this projects unique position that I'm very worried that it will be messed up over mundane, human trifles as what ruined VZTZ.

I want this project to succeed whether or not I play, whether or not a red server ever comes out because if you guys go under, it'll pull a massive carpet from underneath the eqemu community.

And as a PvPer, it'll be the last nail in the coffin for a classic red server.

So if I do get banned, consider this: You got rid of a potential new player and you just saved me a whole whack of time I might have wasted on your server before winding up banned over something silly if this post is enough to get the hammer put on me.

Further more, it'll be clear proof for others to the character of this staff.

yea SO WHAT !OBAMA A COMMIE AND YOUR WORRIED ABOUT THIS

[Nuggie]

stuff... Meanwhile, the rest of the server has come out loud and strong in support of me and my style of decision making ... rest of the stuff

.

I support this.

@Secrets:



If you're on the staff, wear a tag please.
stuff...
more stuff...

and a lot more stuff...

In response to the first thing: Secrets stepped down.

To the lot of stuff you said: If Uth wasn't such a hard ass he would get sucked into hours of *debates* where people would try to nickle and dime him. Which would then quickly burn him out. I prefer a hard-ass decision that he doesn't have to dwell on. That let's him not have to lose sleep over a decision made in a damn game where 30-something yr olds act like 9 year olds.

With Uth if you act as an adult he will treat you as such(because the only time you will interact with him is when he is bored and out poaching fun by changing people into diff models.)

See you on P99Red maybe. And you can beat me up there.

[abegedun]

Meanwhile, the rest of the server has come out loud and strong in support of me and my style of decision making. The community here doesn't like useless shitwads that do nothing but attempt to subvert their server for their own agenda. They know that I'm standing up for them and will not bend to a divisive bunch of garbage that marinates in its own mediocrity.

Actually, you just ban everyone who goes against you. you're a terrible gm uthgaard, nothing can change that..

[Ridas]

I support this.



In response to the first thing: Secrets stepped down.

To the lot of stuff you said: If Uth wasn't such a hard ass he would get sucked into hours of *debates* where people would try to nickle and dime him. Which would then quickly burn him out. I prefer a hard-ass decision that he doesn't have to dwell on. That let's him not have to lose sleep over a decision made in a damn game where 30-something yr olds act like 9 year olds.

With Uth if you act as an adult he will treat you as such(because the only time you will interact with him is when he is bored and out poaching fun by changing people into diff models.)

See you on P99Red maybe. And you can beat me up there.

Nothing wrong with a hard-ass decision, but you can do it without insulting your playerbase and banning people without reason.

[Knuckle]

I don't think Uthgaardt would want to be a gm on the red server where the players actually lashout back at GM corruption, the blue server players are just little bitches so uthgaardt bullies them.

[Daldolma]

Boo fucking hoo. A guy that spends the majority of his time here trying to piss people off got banned? Oh noez. But why does he care? They're just pixels. Sounds like someone got crossed over like a bluebie. (Am I doing it right?)

Uthgaard is the man. If you have a problem with him, it's because you either break the rules or you're too much of an impatient nerd-rager to go through a mature process of getting a poor decision reversed. From personal experience, the guy is responsive and extremely helpful. Granted, if you're a douche, then he's the last guy you want attention from. But that's what a GM should be. The vast majority of the server is not comprised of exploiters and griefers. So if the patience with those players is thin, well... that's not really the worst thing in the world. Follow the rules, don't be a douche, and you'll never have a problem with Uthgaard that can't be resolved with a logical argument.

[Iadien]

Boo fucking hoo. A guy that spends the majority of his time here trying to piss people off got banned? Oh noez. But why does he care? They're just pixels. Sounds like someone got crossed over like a bluebie. (Am I doing it right?)

Uthgaard is the man. If you have a problem with him, it's because you either break the rules or you're too much of an impatient nerd-rager to go through a mature process of getting a poor decision reversed. From personal experience, the guy is responsive and extremely helpful. Granted, if you're a douche, then he's the last guy you want attention from. But that's what a GM should be. The vast majority of the server is not comprised of exploiters and griefers. So if the patience with those players is thin, well... that's not really the worst thing in the world. Follow the rules, don't be a douche, and you'll never have a problem with Uthgaard that can't be resolved with a logical argument.

If he was a GM for game that generates revenue, he would have been fired ages ago if he pulled the same shit.

[Kassel]

Boo fucking hoo. A guy that spends the majority of his time here trying to piss people off got banned? Oh noez. But why does he care? They're just pixels. Sounds like someone got crossed over like a bluebie. (Am I doing it right?)


Dude, you did it right !

[Lazortag]

If he was a GM for game that generates revenue, he would have been fired ages ago if he pulled the same shit.

That's horseshit. There are times where uthgaard spends literally like 20 hours in a row resolving petitions and fixing bugs. To my knowledge the massive faction and spell file overhauls were all done by him, in addition to numerous other fixes (Go here: http://www.project1999.org/ and do ctrl+f for "Uthgaard" if you want to see what I'm talking about). That takes an insane amount of work. Honestly I would have no problem giving him carte blanche to ban whoever he wants after doing that amount of work - but that's not even what he does. In the majority of cases the people he bans prove that they were not mature enough to stay on this server (a) by whining about it endlessly after their ban or (b) going to the FOH forums to do the same or (c) not using the correct channels to resolve their disputes. In other cases these people can absolve themselves if they can calm down for a few seconds and not act like total pricks towards the staff. The biggest dispute I ever had with him was resolved just fine after I acted politely and civilly and used the Petitions/Exploits forums. I'm sorry you and your FOH buddies don't get the privilege of being able to publicly bitch about your grievances, but guess what, that privilege is available to no one, so you're asking for GM favouritism if you want to be able to do that.

The amount of crying over Salty being banned is pathetic - seriously, man up. If anything he should have been banned earlier. While I can't confirm the numerous accusations I've heard of him cheating, multiboxing, etc., I can confirm what I saw in my own limited interactions with him where he trained 2 sand giants on a group of people over a petty camp dispute. Seriously, who does that? I think it should tell you something that only 10 seconds after I met him I already had a bad impression of him.

[Daldolma]

If he was a GM for game that generates revenue, he would have been fired ages ago if he pulled the same shit.

But he's not.

The job of a GM in a game that generates revenue is to appease any and all customers. You don't alienate your revenue sources. You solve issues and make everyone happy. Which is what led to the destruction of EQ Live. The job of a GM for a free game is to protect the server's best interests. To that end, a single dissatisfied douche is not a huge concern. Even a dozen dissatisfied douches are not a significant concern. It's a server of nearly 2,000 active players (as evidenced by populations of ~1500 around Kunark's release).

[Daldolma]

That's horseshit. There are times where uthgaard spends literally like 20 hours in a row resolving petitions and fixing bugs. To my knowledge the massive faction and spell file overhauls were all done by him, in addition to numerous other fixes (Go here: http://www.project1999.org/ and do ctrl+f for "Uthgaard" if you want to see what I'm talking about). That takes an insane amount of work. Honestly I would have no problem giving him carte blanche to ban whoever he wants after doing that amount of work - but that's not even what he does. In the majority of cases the people he bans prove that they were not mature enough to stay on this server (a) by whining about it endlessly after their ban or (b) going to the FOH forums to do the same or (c) not using the correct channels to resolve their disputes. In other cases these people can absolve themselves if they can calm down for a few seconds and not act like total pricks towards the staff. The biggest dispute I ever had with him was resolved just fine after I acted politely and civilly and used the Petitions/Exploits forums. I'm sorry you and your FOH buddies don't get the privilege of being able to publicly bitch about your grievances, but guess what, that privilege is available to no one, so you're asking for GM favouritism if you want to be able to do that.

The amount of crying over Salty being banned is pathetic - seriously, man up. If anything he should have been banned earlier. While I can't confirm the numerous accusations I've heard of him cheating, multiboxing, etc., I can confirm what I saw in my own limited interactions with him where he trained 2 sand giants on a group of people over a petty camp dispute. Seriously, who does that? I think it should tell you something that only 10 seconds after I met him I already had a bad impression of him.

^ What he said.

[Japan]

the board itself has little to do (anymore) with what in game variations of the guild are doing in their respective mmos. are you seriously talking about relevancy here? lol. i was in a UStop 15 guild in wow during wotlk-cata. tell me, what have you done remotely relevant lately?

still loling 4 pages later

[Vendar]

It's a server of nearly 2,000 active players (as evidenced by populations of ~1500 around Kunark's release).

bad example pal, its disgusting how many people were two boxxing that night.

[Winobot]

The amount of crying over Salty being banned is pathetic - seriously, man up. If anything he should have been banned earlier. While I can't confirm the numerous accusations I've heard of him cheating, multiboxing, etc., I can confirm what I saw in my own limited interactions with him where he trained 2 sand giants on a group of people over a petty camp dispute. Seriously, who does that? I think it should tell you something that only 10 seconds after I met him I already had a bad impression of him.

It's about everyone being held to the same standard. I've never had a problem with Uthgaard, but there are a fuckton of training/griefing cunts on this server that have gotten away with much more. Secrets summed it up nicely:

we shouldn't really let personal vendettas get in the way (I had way too many of them when I was a developer, way too many to be a GM, and I stepped down because of them, they were getting in the way of my work.) and we should just move on

I'm not going to stick up for Salty because I can't vouch for him, but I've been following FoH for years, since our guilds were rivaling back in the days of EQ. I still have a ton of friends/ex guildmates that post there, and it's been a great place to reminisce and also start up forum guilds for new games that pop up. What I absolutely don't get tired of is your typical self-conscious gamer that is, dare I say it, intimidated by the name and therefore responds with nerdrage.

Bruuce, mang, unfortunately if you talk about any progression that isn't P99 related people get very upset. They have delicate egos, and disguise their tears with lulz.

[Phallax]

Theres a huge difference HUGE difference between being a hard ass GM and doing whats right for the server and condoning yourself like a professional should. And being an egotistical ass-hat that Uthgard has proven to be.

Be a hard ass, do whats right for the server, thats fine. But when you openly ridicule people on the forums for everyone to see as someone that has power and should be leading by example, you just make yourself look like a power tripping douche.

Will this get me banned? Probably...Do I care anymore? No.

[Phallax]

OH and Ive never had any run ins with Salty nor Uth, and dont know either of them. Just their postings on the board. And just by reading simple posts Uthgard is really no better than Salty, I could give 2 shits less about what hes developed when he makes the asshattery posts that he makes.

[Bruno]

He definitely deserved his suspension. The only thing they didn't know, was what a waste of time it would be to to attempt to reason with the whining babies over on the pair of coattails that you call a community forum. You all can wallow in your own misery while attempting to convince the rest of the world that you have any clout at all. Quite the opposite, all your little picket line has done is prove to the rest of the world just how unimportant you all are.

Meanwhile, the rest of the server has come out loud and strong in support of me and my style of decision making. The community here doesn't like useless shitwads that do nothing but attempt to subvert their server for their own agenda. They know that I'm standing up for them and will not bend to a divisive bunch of garbage that marinates in its own mediocrity.

I can't agree that the rest of the server is in support of your style of decision making. You get a lot of nut huggers on here who are obviously going to agree with you. I honestly don't care how you run this server, but this is a little convo between 2 dudes in my group I just happened to find interesting after we were getting trained by some morons.

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss107/kpkenney07/afraid.jpg

People are too scared to say anything. I myself have found it's easier to just keep quiet (in game), even for legitimate issues.

[Kassel]

Theres a huge difference HUGE difference between being a hard ass GM and doing whats right for the server and condoning yourself like a professional should. And being an egotistical ass-hat that Uthgard has proven to be.

He is not a professional, he is a dude doing this on his free time for your benefit. This high standard of conduct that most of you have dreamed up is bullshit. Let him lay the smack down to assholes and idiots as needed. The server could use a further culling anyway.

If you dont like it get the fuck out, no one is forcing you to play here for free.

[Chanur]

He is not a professional, he is a dude doing this on his free time for your benefit. This high standard of conduct that most of you have dreamed up is bullshit. Let him lay the smack down to assholes and idiots as needed. The server could use a further culling anyway.

If you dont like it get the fuck out, no one is forcing you to play here for free.

Then let him develop and not deal with people or moderate (lolz) the rants and flames forum.

If you swallowed any more of his cock you would be shitting his cum.

[Phallax]

He is not a professional, he is a dude doing this on his free time for your benefit. This high standard of conduct that most of you have dreamed up is bullshit. Let him lay the smack down to assholes and idiots as needed. The server could use a further culling anyway.

If you dont like it get the fuck out, no one is forcing you to play here for free.

Not being a professional doesnt mean you shouldnt act professional. When you hold an authority position of any type, paid or not. It doesnt matter, you should always act in a mature professional manner...always. And Uthgaard fails to do so.

Nilbog is a great example of how to act as an authority figure.

[Bruuce]

i just dont understand why youd want to run off people who have extensive experience with the game and are willing to test/play/donate to the server. devs are obv proud of the amount of people playing the game and would rather it be a larger amount of people than a smaller amount. so why allow gms to police your server as terrible as uthgaard and hobby? i just dont get it

[Crover_CT99]

Bruuce - you vocal guys from FoH are a small group of self-congratulatory trouble makers. I know you feel like you guys should hold some clout because you are regular posters/members over there, but most people don't give a fuck.

I regularly read the FoH forums, but not because I'm in awe of your gaming skills and associations, but because like many people, I enjoy a good train wreck of fevered egos. Same reason I read this shit.

[Chanur]

Cover uou are pretty stupid if you you don't think non FoH people are not afraid to deal with the GM's here when they are broadcasting in game basically petition and I will ban you.

Carry on with your regularly scheduled window licking though.

[Djinn]

As if instigating all this wasn't a part of the plan. Keep up the rabid discussion. I can hear Salty cackling from across the country. Well played.

[naez]

didnt realize this was a trollplay server

[saucer]

He definitely deserved his suspension. The only thing they didn't know, was what a waste of time it would be to to attempt to reason with the whining babies over on the pair of coattails that you call a community forum. You all can wallow in your own misery while attempting to convince the rest of the world that you have any clout at all. Quite the opposite, all your little picket line has done is prove to the rest of the world just how unimportant you all are.

Meanwhile, the rest of the server has come out loud and strong in support of me and my style of decision making. The community here doesn't like useless shitwads that do nothing but attempt to subvert their server for their own agenda. They know that I'm standing up for them and will not bend to a divisive bunch of garbage that marinates in its own mediocrity.

Truth. 99% of us don't give one single piece of shit about FOH, their forums, or all the whiny bitches that spend their time there. In fact most of the server doesnt even look at out own forums, let alone some random forums run by a bunch of douche bags who sit around all day posting in between fingering their assholes and smelling their fingers.

Am I right in understanding that Salty was banned and then the ban was lifted because of crying from that forum? If so, that was a huge mistake. It is similar to negotiating with terrorists, except here its like negotiating with powerless terrorists who can have absolutely no effect whatsoever on this server.

Take it from me, if we banned every one of them the server would actually be healthier, and instead of 1k people per night it would be 980.

In summary: these people and their opinions don't matter.

[Gorgetrapper]

Honestly, catering to these idiots is only making things worse. Just get rid of them. Things were fine before, why keep making it worse?

[saucer]

My second point which I forgot to post:
In the real world, every individual has rights (at least in most countries). and they can act like assholes and probably won't be punished.

here, on this server, we can take a different approach: if someone's existence (playing on the server) makes it worse for everyone else, THEN they should be removed even if it is just because they are shitheads.

[Hasbinbad]

I've been gone all weekend. I love Uthgaard. Salty is funny too.

[Gorgetrapper]

I've never once had a problem with Uthgaard, actually he's helped me out more times than i can remember. Apparently the only people who have a problem with him, are the douchebags who cause the problems in the first place and don't get their way. Here's the solution, don't fuck up.

[Bruuce]

Bruuce - you vocal guys from FoH are a small group of self-congratulatory trouble makers. I know you feel like you guys should hold some clout because you are regular posters/members over there, but most people don't give a fuck.

I regularly read the FoH forums, but not because I'm in awe of your gaming skills and associations, but because like many people, I enjoy a good train wreck of fevered egos. Same reason I read this shit.

this is the funny thing about you retards lumping every foh person together, thinking everyone is from the original eq guild and have some sort of elitist mentality or something. 99% of the people from foh who rolled here just did so to fuck around and see what the servers about. most everyone quit months ago because no one wanted to invest time into it because who fucking knows if youre gonna catch a gm on a bad day and get banned. no one even acts like what youre trying to say, aside from a few people out of a couple thousand

[Bruuce]

Honestly, catering to these idiots is only making things worse. Just get rid of them. Things were fine before, why keep making it worse?

yeah because this was the first time ever anyone has had issues with uthgaard or other gms here. werent the servers getting shit on a few months ago from some internet superhero who uthgaard pissed off? the only reason you *think* things were fine before is anytime this happened to anyone else, theyd get banned and had no outlet to get vocal about what happened. devs would obv not have a *CORRUPT* tag on their servers thread so thats why Saltys and others bans were reversed.

its cool that youve never had a bad experience with gms while youre off in EC killing bixies. keep sucking the GMs dick and maybe theyll remember that when youre at a camp when some of their friends roll up and decide youre not camping it anymore, maybe youll have better luck not getting fucked over than some of us did.

[Uthgaard]

QQ over on your own forums. I'm here to stay bitches.