Beware the Ides of March

[Littul Jonn]

Rooted dragons will be the downfall of p99.

Something that has always set p99 apart from other Everquest emulators is the competition aspect of the game. Whether it was the days of TMO or Aftermath / Awakened vs Casuals, there has always been competition in killing the most sought after Raid bosses in this game. With rooted dragons, competition has NOT been removed from the game, but i believe it will be unsustainable in the future.

In February 2018 I joined Azure Guard after the CSG Alliance broke up, we were capable of killing most mid level targets but struggled in ToV. With the help of my guildies, we leveled COTH mages, made clerics, recruited more people and were able to compete in TOV against the likes of Tempest, Aftermath, and Core. It took close to 6 months to do but our first Vulak that we competed for and killed with AM, Temp, and Core in the zone was EPIC.

Fast forward to rooted dragons. COTH Mages, DA idol farming, and petition flame wars are now somewhat less relavent but here's the cost. You need 60+ elf pals to kill most targets in ToV now, (10+ clerics, 5ish Warriors, +DPS, Support, etc). While this does not remove the competition aspect from the game it changes it in an unsustainable way. The server elite have said "its not about loot, its about denying pixels", which is true however worded poorly. Lack of pixels is scarcity which will drive the value of those pixels up.

The server elite have enjoyed their exclusiveness for quite some time but now that you can't be exclusive and attain pixels, the value of pixels or will to login is dwindling. Blame it on summer BBQs or whatever but the truth is getting 60+ (a conservative estimate) for Vulaks, Vyems, etc is not going to be sustainable for long. With Classic WoW, Green99, and other games on the horizon, if you *need* those numbers to kill those dragons there will be less and less people available.

The staff do the best they can and implementing rooted dragons decreases petitions in some ways but at what cost? This sever was the last bastion of true competition. I told someone from Aftermath once, "I'd rather lose KT to you guys 10 times in a row and beat you legitimately once rather than have him rotated between guilds".

Many of my former guild mates and competitors are now in a larger guild and know this isn't me coming off as salty. I hope for p99's sake that i'm wrong, it's always nice to have a game to come back to when winter/free play time/no bbq season allows. I just hope this doesn't kill the game.

These are just my thoughts and opinions and not that of Azure Guard leadership.

Beware the Ides of March...


TLDR: Rooted dragons suck, one giant guild is the same as a server rotation essentially, bring back competition.

[Dugface]

Rooted dragons will be the downfall of Azure Guard.

I've corrected your post, thanks.

[Dugface]

Anyway, weren't Azure Guard pulling 60 people recently for raids, until most left to join Riot?

It seems that AG need to do a Riot and bring together more people by merging with a few other guilds. There has to be room for a 3rd Zerg Guild.

[Alesclandre]

Riot and AM actually competing for rooted dragons. It even brought competition to a new level. Pulling everything to the entrance was dumb imo.

[d3r14k]

This server is so top heavy, I don't see a time in the near future when a guild won't be able to field 50 players for an engage. This is with WoW classic and Green99 still incoming.

I, for one, enjoy the rooted dragons. It makes engages and fights more enjoyable and involved for everyone and not just the 5 monks with idols who are pulling to zone in.

[feniin]

Rooted dragons are my favorite change to this server. Crawling ToV feels classic and it's worth the time investment instead of logging in for a batphone for a 5 minute fight and logging out again.

[CodyF86]

I would say most people wether in am or riot are having more fun now than ever. Being able to go back and forth and compete with each other is a good part of the fun. The level of theory crafted turning into actual pulls over the last couple weeks have just been insane and add to the level of fun for everyone, moreso than pulling dragons to the entrance.

[YendorLootmonkey]

No more handouts at the zoneline... work for them loots!

[ajohnymous]

Can confirm Littul is not upset; he's a good dude. Shout out to my PNW broskis.

Littul, I disagree that rooted dragons will kill the server. Something I've noticed, and I'm guilty of it, is when people are in the raid scene for awhile, they forget it's something of a community in itself. There's a huge portion of the player base who doesn't know what a Vulak is or knows how to safely cross SG.

The rooted dragon meta is just that: a meta. The developers force the players to play within certain parameters, same goes for any meta change in any video game, and this meta change only affects the raid scene, not the entire server.

I think the only "threat" to P99 is WoW Classic. Green will be a fun side-quest for most players, a permanent home for some, and ignored by even more people. WoW Classic is going to draw a lot of players out of P99 for a long time, but I suspect that population will trickle back in once people have gotten their fill of WoW nostalgia.

It sucks how AG put a ton of work into setting up for live pulls in ToV only to have the rug pulled out when we were at our peak. It feels like we got robbed, but there isn't anything to be done about it now. The current meta calls for large-sale north ToV crawls and not a dedicated core of players doing the heavy lifting. Maybe the next meta change reverts it; maybe it makes it worse; maybe they drop a meteor on ToV and rewrite the entire zone. It's a meta change and it won't last forever.

[jolanar]

By your own admission fewer people getting top tier loots is a good thing, yet at the same time it seems that's also what you are complaining about.

[Cecily]

This game has been unplayable ever since A-team got epics.

[enjchanter]

Eh I personally hate the rooted dragons. I dont really enjoy raid encounters much because even with crawling it's still just ch chain while monster dies. Crawling just makes it all worse because now instead of being able to skip to the tankspank dragon part now you have to log on and start the laundry list of coths and gates and pulling a mob too soon / soon late and leap frogging and clearing trash for an hour or more then finally we reach the tank spank part.

Some people like the rooted dragons and theres nothing wrong with that but I stopped enjoying raiding a long time ago and rooted dragons has made a healthy portion of it take 10x longer. But gotta progress my character somehow right ?!

[ajohnymous]

Eh I personally hate the rooted dragons. I dont really enjoy raid encounters much because even with crawling it's still just ch chain while monster dies. Crawling just makes it all worse because now instead of being able to skip to the tankspank dragon part now you have to log on and start the laundry list of coths and gates and pulling a mob too soon / soon late and leap frogging and clearing trash for an hour or more then finally we reach the tank spank part.

Some people like the rooted dragons and theres nothing wrong with that but I stopped enjoying raiding a long time ago and rooted dragons has made a healthy portion of it take 10x longer. But gotta progress my character somehow right ?!


There is so, so much more to crawling than just rolling a CH chain on a tank. "...I stopped enjoying raiding a long time ago..." tells me you have no idea what ToV is like outside of, bosses are rooted now.

[enjchanter]

There is so, so much more to crawling than just rolling a CH chain on a tank. "...I stopped enjoying raiding a long time ago..." tells me you have no idea what ToV is like outside of, bosses are rooted now.

i mean im in tov raiding as you typed this so idk what to say

[Cecily]

i mean im in tov raiding as you typed this so idk what to say

Please don’t comment on raiding if you don’t raid.

[Fifield]

P99 will be fine, there are tons of EQ'rs who love classic EQ enough to put up with whatever kind of TOV you throw at them.

Its stood the test of time of like 10 yrs running now. Some hate rooted dragons but there are lots of others who don't know the insta pull era and will continue to raid P99 for years and years.

Just gotta take the server for what it is each time the meta changes and either enjoy it or do something else.

[Littul Jonn]

P99 will be fine, there are tons of EQ'rs who love classic EQ enough to put up with whatever kind of TOV you throw at them.

Its stood the test of time of like 10 yrs running now. Some hate rooted dragons but there are lots of others who don't know the insta pull era and will continue to raid P99 for years and years.

Just gotta take the server for what it is each time the meta changes and either enjoy it or do something else.

I hope so, p99 has been a lot of fun over the years and I'd hate to see it end up like red. I just think even with how top heavy this server is, if you need more than 10 clerics and 3 hours to clear to a dragon that it will be unsustainable.

[Tecmos Deception]

This game has been unplayable ever since A-team got epics.

Poor Save is still out there somewhere, still tagged in A-Team, still without his snake staff.

[shuklak]

Tis the circle of [no] life EverQuest.

[derpcake2]

itt: low effort players with entitlement issues

[Nexii]

The problem isn't rooted dragons per se. It's all the other rules around raiding that wipe out smaller and medium sized guilds. I'd expect a guild leader to understand this point. Unrooting the dragons would not really make it much easier for AG against AM or Riot.

Think back to when there were 6-10 competing guilds and why this was the case

[Littul Jonn]

The problem isn't rooted dragons per se. It's all the other rules around raiding that wipe out smaller and medium sized guilds. I'd expect a guild leader to understand this point. Unrooting the dragons would not really make it much easier for AG against AM or Riot.

Think back to when there were 6-10 competing guilds and why this was the case

For sure. For the record im not upset about any kind of competitive challeneges between AG and Riot, if we want to be the kings of ToV we'd need to get on the recruiting as high numbers is the new meta. Just concered that there wont be much of a player base to accomplish this in the months to come. Maybe ill be wrong, maybe i wont

[gutterbrain]

No more handouts at the zoneline... work for them loots!

I reject this idea. I guarantee 90% of your raid force is semi-afk and in Netflix induced comas while the other 10% do all the work, just as it was before. The only people who have to "work harder" are the off-tanks and monks. Off tanks having to actually pick up adds or tank a secondary target during the engage being the only significant change to "being productive."

Getting coth'd to a corner and then running 100 yards is just as easy as sitting at the entrance waiting for the mob to arrive. Sorry you think having to move your character an extra 200 yards is you contributing to your raid and "trying way more."

[Hotel]

I would say most people wether in am or riot are having more fun now than ever. Being able to go back and forth and compete with each other is a good part of the fun. The level of theory crafted turning into actual pulls over the last couple weeks have just been insane and add to the level of fun for everyone, moreso than pulling dragons to the entrance.

congrats on joining a zerg

[Albanwr]

I am not a raider on P99, its been many years since i was in TOV(on live) but this thread and other ones like it appear to suggest that most people dont want to play the game. Or don't want to spend time raiding with your buddies, would rather sit at a zone line and watch netflix.

Some of you have become so bitter playing EQ for far too long that your only fun comes from "denying other people pixels" And to me, that just seems sad. If you are not enjoying raiding, just take a break from it and allow those that do enjoy it a chance at it.

Again, i don't raid on P99 so I am only going off what I see on these forums.

[Triode]

QQ @ at denying the half dozen "playmakers" on the pull team their favorite competition just so hundreds of other people can enjoy the game. WTF were the devs thinking implementing a change that has been widely requested for years! Clearly the downfall of p99.

[gutterbrain]

ITT:

People who think Awakened vs Aftermath (current meta) a healthy change from the raid scene in the past.

[Wonkie]

Tis the circle of [no] life EverQuest.

So, is The Lion King a big advertisement for capitalism? Absolutely. (https://m.flicks.co.nz/features/conspiracy-the-lion-king-is-capitalist-propaganda/)

[Mblake81]

Eh I personally hate the rooted dragons. I dont really enjoy raid encounters much because even with crawling it's still just ch chain while monster dies. Crawling just makes it all worse because now instead of being able to skip to the tankspank dragon part now you have to log on and start the laundry list of coths and gates and pulling a mob too soon / soon late and leap frogging and clearing trash for an hour or more then finally we reach the tank spank part.

We can add that in for a $5.99 MTX fee per quake/spawn, for your convenience of course. Being busy makes it hard to play a game especially one that you dislike playing and would rather skip to play.

[aaezil]

Imagine having to actually play the game

Surely will kill the game!

[Mblake81]

I reject this idea. I guarantee 90% of your raid force is semi-afk and in Netflix induced comas while the other 10% do all the work, just as it was before. The only people who have to "work harder" are the off-tanks and monks. Off tanks having to actually pick up adds or tank a secondary target during the engage being the only significant change to "being productive."

Getting coth'd to a corner and then running 100 yards is just as easy as sitting at the entrance waiting for the mob to arrive. Sorry you think having to move your character an extra 200 yards is you contributing to your raid and "trying way more."

You don't get a crown, Queen. At most an annoyingly swift kick to the bottom.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I reject this idea. I guarantee 90% of your raid force is semi-afk and in Netflix induced comas while the other 10% do all the work, just as it was before. The only people who have to "work harder" are the off-tanks and monks. Off tanks having to actually pick up adds or tank a secondary target during the engage being the only significant change to "being productive."

Getting coth'd to a corner and then running 100 yards is just as easy as sitting at the entrance waiting for the mob to arrive. Sorry you think having to move your character an extra 200 yards is you contributing to your raid and "trying way more."

If it were "just as easy" then there clearly wouldn't be so much bitching about dragons being rooted, right? The mere existence of these salty rooted dragon threads completely invalidates your supposition.

[Mblake81]

Imagine having to actually play the game

Surely will kill the game!

EQ probably doesn't satisfy anymore, it happens. What is left is the real pixel addiction so you min/max the way to get fix. Streamlined if you will. This change complicates the fix with unwanted aggravation.

RMT'ers are still getting found these days. When a game no longer is a game. (https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/national-helpline)

[Mblake81]

Unwanted aggravation meaning playing the game. The game gets in the way of pixel.

[Jimjam]

Losing in old meta:

Logging in just to log off again pretty boring.

New meta: at least you get to kill a few drakes before you log off.

[Mblake81]

Losing in old meta:

Logging in just to log off again pretty boring.

New meta: at least you get to kill a few drakes before you log off.

I think that is part of the problem for these folks. They only want to kill the dragon and do it in less than 10 minutes. You would think if the original designers of EQ had intended that then there would be a big zone full of trash. You could zone in and each dragon would be waiting there and they would not social each other.

Full raid in one hour max. Instances on WoW soon, they will not have to wait long.

[Mblake81]

Probably be nice if life offered a MTX to let you skip ahead to vanilla.

[matticas]

I'd echo what Olerris said somewhere else: rooted dragons are fun on an earthquake, lame for one-off windows.

Hours spent crawling to Koi for a sea dragon meat and an orb is acid.

My dream scenario: only root dragons for earthquakes, go back to two earthquakes a month, and, starting Oct at the launch of Green, randomly respawn warders in ST on certain earthquakes to help keep people engaged on Blue.

But that said, my enjoyment of Everquest doesn't really depend on the raid scene. there are near infinite ways to enjoy this game.

[Hyjalx]

It's not just unwanted aggravation for pixels. The rooted dragon mechanic is just not classic Everquest. Neither is foot racing. Requiring guilds to tank several mobs (flurries included) AND killing ToV dragons at the same time has killed most small guilds. We implemented a change that requires more people than any meta p99 has ever experienced when the server is experiencing a possible downswing.

Even without the server competition, the mechanic requires 100s of people to play the game. Now, nobody has a shot unless you have 70+ and can fight multiple things at once. At least before, a team of 30-40 (AG for example) could park a mage, an FTE puller, and at least have a chance at any target in the game (which is classic btw).

Now? forget about it.

We used mages on live and there were several safe spots in North wing to park them. Though they were different than the locations we use today, the dragons were PULLED, and all pulls were kept inside north wing. Everything besides Ikatar and Eashan. This was due to PC power at the time, but everything stayed in north because of it and it worked. Guilds could naturally progress in the zone.

But instead, we went from wanting to implement a rotation (to help the little guys), to rooting dragons (that only helps the big guys). Basically from one extreme to the next. This has created a vacuum that has killed roughly 25-50% of the smaller guilds on the server.

And before anyone argues that the "raid scene" is only a small portion of the server and that this has been a "positive" change, please explain why half the guilds have fallen apart since this change has occurred.

Its time to unroot the dragons.

[Kit]

This thread is boiling down to defensive rito tov newbies claiming there's some exclusive challenge in tov they have mastered. The rooted meta takes time not skill. Offtanking an add isn't that hard! If you can't see what littul is saying then you have never experienced the joy of late night low numbers kills in ent pull metas. Now those dragons just go to the megazerg. Rip competition. Sorry this casual but time consuming meta has been the one that brought the biggest percentage of the server into tov. Its not as memorable as other metas nor as exciting.

[Alesclandre]

This thread is boiling down to defensive rito tov newbies claiming there's some exclusive challenge in tov they have mastered. The rooted meta takes time not skill. Offtanking an add isn't that hard! If you can't see what littul is saying then you have never experienced the joy of late night low numbers kills in ent pull metas. Now those dragons just go to the megazerg. Rip competition. Sorry this casual but time consuming meta has been the one that brought the biggest percentage of the server into tov. Its not as memorable as other metas nor as exciting.

If there's no skill in rooted meta, where's the skill in non-rooted meta? I don't get how some people prefer foot races over rooted dragons, the only reason i can think of is fast free pixels. If you think competition is all about foot races you should play Track&field.

[Mblake81]

This thread is boiling down to defensive rito tov newbies claiming there's some exclusive challenge in tov they have mastered. The rooted meta takes time not skill. Offtanking an add isn't that hard! If you can't see what littul is saying then you have never experienced the joy of late night low numbers kills in ent pull metas. Now those dragons just go to the megazerg. Rip competition. Sorry this casual but time consuming meta has been the one that brought the biggest percentage of the server into tov. Its not as memorable as other metas nor as exciting.

Yeah time to play if you like that. People argue this game requires no skill, there was a thread about it. Rooted takes no skill and pulling dragons takes no skill, its just fluff. Big zerg or small numbers requires no skill since the game doesn't, or at least that is how its argued by those skilled in commenting. There is no competition. The low numbers killing only means you have a greater chance at loot, pixel addiction. You are looking to get your fix quick and easy.

;)

[Mblake81]

It's not just unwanted aggravation for pixels. The rooted dragon mechanic is just not classic Everquest. Neither is foot racing. Requiring guilds to tank several mobs (flurries included) AND killing ToV dragons at the same time has killed most small guilds. We implemented a change that requires more people than any meta p99 has ever experienced when the server is experiencing a possible downswing.

Even without the server competition, the mechanic requires 100s of people to play the game. Now, nobody has a shot unless you have 70+ and can fight multiple things at once. At least before, a team of 30-40 (AG for example) could park a mage, an FTE puller, and at least have a chance at any target in the game (which is classic btw).

Now? forget about it.

We used mages on live and there were several safe spots in North wing to park them. Though they were different than the locations we use today, the dragons were PULLED, and all pulls were kept inside north wing. Everything besides Ikatar and Eashan. This was due to PC power at the time, but everything stayed in north because of it and it worked. Guilds could naturally progress in the zone.

But instead, we went from wanting to implement a rotation (to help the little guys), to rooting dragons (that only helps the big guys). Basically from one extreme to the next. This has created a vacuum that has killed roughly 25-50% of the smaller guilds on the server.

And before anyone argues that the "raid scene" is only a small portion of the server and that this has been a "positive" change, please explain why half the guilds have fallen apart since this change has occurred.

Its time to unroot the dragons.

Lotta talk about what people did in classic during velious. If you are that leet then you can overcome this one. Best of luck.

[Twochain]

If there's no skill in rooted meta, where's the skill in non-rooted meta? I don't get how some people prefer foot races over rooted dragons, the only reason i can think of is fast free pixels. If you think competition is all about foot races you should play Track&field.

There was amazing play making capabilities in the pull era.

You can still make plays now, but it’s not on the same scale. Raid leading is probably the most important “skill” now.

A lot of people, like the old rustle crew, obviously would prefer foot races over rooted dragons. Because they had great FTErs, and could bring their 30-40 person guild to tov to kill targets. They had to disband after we moved away to foot races.

Nothing was fast or free about that.

[Mblake81]

You said the skill word. I wonder if the same top quality members of society are going to come outta the woodwork and tell you how you are so very wrong.

This isn't Starcraft or Quake..

[Kit]

Me and my 200 closest friends, only 20% of which can even run through north door without training the raid, who don't remember past rooted dragons would like you to get good and adapt! Lmao nerds

[Mblake81]

Me and my 200 closest friends, only 20% of which can even run through north door without training the raid, who don't remember past rooted dragons would like you to get good and adapt! Lmao nerds

This cheezburger is mine!

https://i.imgur.com/qfS3ewp.jpg

[Wonkie]

why can't you clear the trash before engaging the dragon? 🐉

:o

[kaizersoze]

Make all dragons invulnerable before trash is dead 2019

[Twochain]

You said the skill word. I wonder if the same top quality members of society are going to come outta the woodwork and tell you how you are so very wrong.

This isn't Starcraft or Quake..

Welp, idk if you’ve heard or not, but I’m a seasoned gamer bruh.

This is the first mmorpg I’ve raided seriously. The reason it enticed me was due to how insane pulling to zone was.

I was a pro counter strike player. Sponsored and all that. In fact, I was sponsored to go to a lan next month in Texas. Im still pretty good.

I was a 4K+ player in Dota 2 back when that was very very high, beta+ just after release. Semi pro level HoN player. Played high level halo 2 when I was like 14. Top 2% age of empires 3. (never could get into Starcraft)

So id say id have decent authority to judge what takes skill in a video game or not.

I also has career and women

[Ruhtar]

Make all dragons invulnerable

[rezzie]

Zone line pulls were heavily dependent on ultra-fast COTH reflexes for FTE, but there were frequent opportunities to pick up dropped/failed pulls. PS won a number of mobs without even having COTH mages.

Both zone line pulls and crawls require skill; zone line allow much smaller guilds with a core of good playmakers to secure dragons. Rustle, Core, and to an extent the last few weeks of Tempest, did well with this. Crawls require organisation and more contribution from a broader portion of a raid force, forcing players to actually play and utilise their abilities.

Rooted dragons favour larger zergs as they can clear more quickly and engage targets with more trash up with more room to absorb mistakes. That said, above a certain point it becomes diminishing returns. Whether you have 60 people or 160 people isn't really going to definitively tip the scales, with the potential exception of Vulak.

I like both. Zone line pulls are friendlier to casual guilds and provide diversity in the raid scene. Rooted dragons drive the min/maxers to one of two megazergs and effectively exclude casual guilds entirely.

If the goal of rooted dragons was to reduce ToV-related raid drama and disputes, I'd argue it's probably not succeeded. It temporarily de-trivialised encounters, but we're already starting to see guilds optimising their engage strategies and kite trash to the extent it probably won't be long before it's "trivial" again.

Some tweaks to the aggro linking mechanics, and the ability to position dragons better, should make other strategies more viable and remove the overwhelming bias on zerging being the definitive answer as it currently is.

[fortior]

Welp, idk if you’ve heard or not, but I’m a seasoned gamer bruh.

This is the first mmorpg I’ve raided seriously. The reason it enticed me was due to how insane pulling to zone was.

I was a pro counter strike player. Sponsored and all that. In fact, I was sponsored to go to a lan next month in Texas. Im still pretty good.

I was a 4K+ player in Dota 2 back when that was very very high, beta+ just after release. Semi pro level HoN player. Played high level halo 2 when I was like 14. Top 2% age of empires 3. (never could get into Starcraft)

So id say id have decent authority to judge what takes skill in a video game or not.

I also has career and women

imagine posting something this cringy

[Xulia]

Welp, idk if you’ve heard or not, but I’m a seasoned gamer bruh.

Oh do tell.

This is the first mmorpg I’ve raided seriously. The reason it enticed me was due to how insane pulling to zone was.

That enticed you? There's plenty of games during the PS1 era for you to get this thrill and then some. Resident Evil is doing to make you blow a load in your pants.

I was a pro counter strike player. Sponsored and all that. In fact, I was sponsored to go to a lan next month in Texas. Im still pretty good.

Neat, but why does that matter at all to anyone playing this game? They're completely different games.

I was a 4K+ player in Dota 2 back when that was very very high, beta+ just after release.

Are you applying for a job or something?

Semi pro level HoN player. Played high level halo 2 when I was like 14. Top 2% age of empires 3. (never could get into Starcraft)

So id say id have decent authority to judge what takes skill in a video game or not.

Alright, going to ask you to prove it. You're making some pretty big claims, but someone with your pedigree should have no problem proving all of this. Screenshots, etc.

I also has career and women

The cringe-o-meter is only reading 3.6

[shuklak]

How much for the women, we want to buy the women

[Twochain]

Oh do tell.



That enticed you? There's plenty of games during the PS1 era for you to get this thrill and then some. Resident Evil is doing to make you blow a load in your pants.



Neat, but why does that matter at all to anyone playing this game? They're completely different games.



Are you applying for a job or something?



Alright, going to ask you to prove it. You're making some pretty big claims, but someone with your pedigree should have no problem proving all of this. Screenshots, etc.



The cringe-o-meter is only reading 3.6

How you going to come at a fellow FoHer this hard bro I thought we had love.

I’ll post some shit later.

I said all this in response to the mblake guy saying Eq takes no skill (90% of the time it’s true) and that this game isn’t quake or Starcraft and that somebody who plays those games will back up that claim. So I had to throw down my epeen

[Twochain]

imagine posting something this cringy

Mad cuz bad

[Twochain]

How much for the women, we want to buy the women

Women 10 dorrar each. Long time.

[Xulia]

How you going to come at a fellow FoHer this hard bro I thought we had love.

I’ll post some shit later.

I said all this in response to the mblake guy saying Eq takes no skill (90% of the time it’s true) and that this game isn’t quake or Starcraft and that somebody who plays those games will back up that claim. So I had to throw down my epeen

You never talk to me, you never look at me during...How can I love a man like that?

I can't get hurt like this by you, Twochain. Not again.

[Ripqozko]

You never talk to me, you never look at me during...How can I love a man like that?

I can't get hurt like this by you, Twochain. Not again.

Them bitches ain't loyal

[Not_Mikeo]

stuff

https://i.imgur.com/HQnGZj2.gif

[fortior]

Mad cuz bad

The hon pro scene was a joke, the fact that you couldn't even hack it there and only managed a pub tier rating in dota 2 tells me you're just a nobody desperately searching for a way to validate thousands of hours of time spent with ultimately nothing to show for it. Checks out.

Getting a surplus gamer chair shipped to your mancave doesn't make you pro

[Alesclandre]

I hit the piñata twice without cheating, does that count as pro?

[gutterbrain]

If it were "just as easy" then there clearly wouldn't be so much bitching about dragons being rooted, right? The mere existence of these salty rooted dragon threads completely invalidates your supposition.

Nope. You are missing the point completely. That’s ok though. I am happy that you are enjoying the game more, but you don’t need to overcompensate for it. Feeling guilty about joining Awakened, maybe?

[Mblake81]

I said all this in response to the mblake guy saying Eq takes no skill (90% of the time it’s true) and that this game isn’t quake or Starcraft and that somebody who plays those games will back up that claim. So I had to throw down my epeen

Were you not in the thread where people were arguing about skill? I was one of the guys saying EQ did have it, you dunce nugget.

And besides, my comment wasn't "coming at ya bro" it was pinging the skull domes of the twerps that log in and drool that shit on their keyboard before finding the ability to press enter.

This was a tag team match with only one guy bouncing off the ropes.

[bigjeff100]

Anyway, weren't Azure Guard pulling 60 people recently for raids, until most left to join Riot?

It seems that AG need to do a Riot and bring together more people by merging with a few other guilds. There has to be room for a 3rd Zerg Guild.

Blackheart Pirates is ready- As 1 of 2 members left. We're ready to be absorbed into a top end guild, come get us!!!!

[Twochain]

https://i.imgur.com/HQnGZj2.gif

That's a tight cringe gif wtf

[Twochain]

[QUOTE=fortior;2939409]The hon pro scene was a joke, the fact that you couldn't even hack it there and only managed a pub tier rating in dota 2 tells me you're just a nobody desperately searching for a way to validate thousands of hours of time spent with ultimately nothing to show for it. Checks out.

Getting a surplus gamer chair shipped to your mancave doesn't make you pro[/QUOTE

Yeah HoN was a joke at the top. Really fun game though. I firmly believe HoN would have beaten out LoL if they would have made it free from the beginning. LoL sucks ass compared to Dota/(HoN even though it's dead)

What do you mean I have nothing to show for it? Are you not amazed by my plights?

4k in beta/just after beta was pretty high though. I only played dota/hon casually though, never wanted to go pro in those games.

But ya'll think this community is toxic.... lmfao. You should try being a part of a real competitive community. Shit is aids.

[fortior]

[/QUOTE

homeboy can't even quote a post but calls himself pro... smh

[Mistle]

The cringe-o-meter is only reading 3.6

It only goes up to 3.6!

[YendorLootmonkey]

Nope. You are missing the point completely. That’s ok though. I am happy that you are enjoying the game more, but you don’t need to overcompensate for it. Feeling guilty about joining Awakened, maybe?

Uh, never joined Awakened? I still have the same tag since 5 years before your join date.

[azeth]

Uh, never joined Awakened? I still have the same tag since 5 years before your join date.

dunk.gif

[stowned]

I’ll post some shit later.

[gutterbrain]

Uh, never joined Awakened? I still have the same tag since 5 years before your join date.

Ok, a couple of points to address here.

First of all, before you start to flex your join date because of my current forum account:

https://i.imgur.com/ImOaCHS.jpg

Second of all, your tag has no guild listed.

Third of all, if you have joined Riot, you actually joined Awakened under a different banner.

Stop over compensating, and being a random internet goon. I actually don't dislike you or your personality at all, you have just become really toxic the last few months (pretty sure since you've joined Awakened).

[Hideousclaw]

Ok, a couple of points to address here.

First of all, before you start to flex your join date because of my current forum account:

https://i.imgur.com/ImOaCHS.jpg

Second of all, your tag has no guild listed.

Third of all, if you have joined Riot, you actually joined Awakened under a different banner.

Stop over compensating, and being a random internet goon. I actually don't dislike you or your personality at all, you have just become really toxic the last few months (pretty sure since you've joined Awakened).

weird flex

[Mblake81]

Stop over compensating, and being a random internet goon. I actually don't dislike you or your personality at all, you have just become really toxic the last few months (pretty sure since you've joined Awakened).

https://i.imgur.com/EyY5ia3.gif

[gutterbrain]

https://i.imgur.com/EyY5ia3.gif

This guy knows how to RnF.

[aaezil]

Ok, a couple of points to address here.

First of all, before you start to flex your join date because of my current forum account:

https://i.imgur.com/ImOaCHS.jpg

Second of all, your tag has no guild listed.

Third of all, if you have joined Riot, you actually joined Awakened under a different banner.

Stop over compensating, and being a random internet goon. I actually don't dislike you or your personality at all, you have just become really toxic the last few months (pretty sure since you've joined Awakened).

Soooo you’re a bigger loser than most people here?

Cool story bro!

[Twochain]

https://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=6925

[Wonkie]

Ok, a couple of points to address here.

First of all, before you start to flex your join date because of my current forum account:

https://i.imgur.com/ImOaCHS.jpg

Second of all, your tag has no guild listed.

Third of all, if you have joined Riot, you actually joined Awakened under a different banner.

Stop over compensating, and being a random internet goon. I actually don't dislike you or your personality at all, you have just become really toxic the last few months (pretty sure since you've joined Awakened).

thanks "Gutter Brain"

[Nuggie]

Ok, a couple of points to address here.

First of all, before you start to flex your join date because of my current forum account:

https://i.imgur.com/ImOaCHS.jpg

Second of all, your tag has no guild listed.

Third of all, if you have joined Riot, you actually joined Awakened under a different banner.

Stop over compensating, and being a random internet goon. I actually don't dislike you or your personality at all, you have just become really toxic the last few months (pretty sure since you've joined Awakened).

Hi, I'd like to introduce you te Yendor. He's the Keeper of the Halls. The Last Warrior. Final Arbiter of a time long past, but not forgotten. When men of lesser skill and knowledge dared to challenge the future monster. Dared to quarrel with the First Champion.

*Very dramatic shout here* He is VESICA DEI!!

[Kazik]

I would say most people wether in am or riot are having more fun now than ever. Being able to go back and forth and compete with each other is a good part of the fun. The level of theory crafted turning into actual pulls over the last couple weeks have just been insane and add to the level of fun for everyone, moreso than pulling dragons to the entrance.

Sorry you never got to experience what it was like to get CoTH'd within 12 seconds of a dragon spawning, timing your disc and DA to FTE that dragon, quickly maneuver and coordinate with at least five other people to bring a dragon solo to the entrance through the most hellish zone in the game.

THAT was fun. THAT was skill. What we have now is ants zerging through North and I'm sorry you missed out.

[Mblake81]

Sorry you never got to experience what it was like to get CoTH'd within 12 seconds of a dragon spawning, timing your disc and DA to FTE that dragon, quickly maneuver and coordinate with at least five other people to bring a dragon solo to the entrance through the most hellish zone in the game.

THAT was fun. THAT was skill. What we have now is ants zerging through North and I'm sorry you missed out.

Fucking nerds :D

Sorry you have to zerg and the spotlight no longer shines so bright on your face.

May I suggest some shots of Bleeding Brain and chase it with some Skull Ale to ease the pain? That is my combo to dull the kicks Norrath deals out from time to time.

[tylercanuck]

Fucking nerds :D

Sorry you have to zerg and the spotlight no longer shines so bright on your face.

May I suggest some shots of Bleeding Brain and chase it with some Skull Ale to ease the pain? That is my combo to dull the kicks Norrath deals out from time to time.

When do you sleep or work, exactly?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Ok, a couple of points to address here.

First of all, before you start to flex your join date because of my current forum account:

https://i.imgur.com/ImOaCHS.jpg

Second of all, your tag has no guild listed.

Third of all, if you have joined Riot, you actually joined Awakened under a different banner.

Stop over compensating, and being a random internet goon. I actually don't dislike you or your personality at all, you have just become really toxic the last few months (pretty sure since you've joined Awakened).

LOL where do you keep getting this Awakened thing? I've worn two guildtags on P99. Vesica Dei and BDA, and I'm still tagged BDA.

[Mblake81]

When do you sleep or work, exactly?

6am-2pm normally but something might come up. Mon-Fri but also weekend time on occasion. I sleep typically around 9pm-4am eastern through the week and stay up later on the weekend, still get up around 6-7am though.

Those are the exact times.

*sips 8 O'clock roast*

Have you ever rode through the local town on top of a moose while sipping crown royal?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Hi, I'd like to introduce you te Yendor. He's the Keeper of the Halls. The Last Warrior. Final Arbiter of a time long past, but not forgotten. When men of lesser skill and knowledge dared to challenge the future monster. Dared to quarrel with the First Champion.

*Very dramatic shout here* He is VESICA DEI!!

Shit, dude... If I pay you plat in-game, can you walk ahead of me in Crushbone shouting obnoxious, condescending things like "Behold, inexperienced adventurers, make way for The Shoveler!" and "Hark! The Shoveler is here to render assistance, fair newbies!"?

[tylercanuck]

6am-2pm normally but something might come up. Mon-Fri but also weekend time on occasion. I sleep typically around 9pm-4am eastern through the week and stay up later on the weekend, still get up around 6-7am though.

Those are the exact times.

*sips 8 O'clock roast*

Have you ever rode through the local town on top of a moose while sipping crown royal?

Contrary to popular belief, moose are not friendly animals.

Also, going to call BS on your schedule based on your post history and time devoted to creating .gifs. Your immersion level is too high.

[Xulia]

THAT was fun. THAT was skill.

THAT is subjective.

[Mblake81]

Contrary to popular belief, moose are not friendly animals.

Also, going to call BS on your schedule based on your post history and time devoted to creating .gifs. Your immersion level is too high.

Nothing some liquid courage can't solve.

Call BS all you wish, it doesn't change anything about my schedule. We don't all work in the oil fields. Worry about your own immersion level.

https://i.imgur.com/8E2oaxw.jpg

[YendorLootmonkey]

Contrary to popular belief, moose are not friendly animals.

Also, going to call BS on your schedule based on your post history and time devoted to creating .gifs. Your immersion level is too high.

We've cultivated an entire server full of neckbeards that can seemingly log on any time of the day to beat the ol' loot piñata and press F5 repeatedly to throw down in RNF and you're questioning the schedule of this guy's sweet moose-riding job?

[Mblake81]

We've cultivated an entire server full of neckbeards that can seemingly log on any time of the day to beat the ol' loot piñata and press F5 repeatedly to throw down in RNF and you're questioning the schedule of this guy's sweet moose-riding job?

His name is Stanley and i ride proud with silver cup in hand.

[Nuggie]

Shit, dude... If I pay you plat in-game, can you walk ahead of me in Crushbone shouting obnoxious, condescending things like "Behold, inexperienced adventurers, make way for The Shoveler!" and "Hark! The Shoveler is here to render assistance, fair newbies!"?

Well, I guess. But I flubbed the guild name you were in. I keep forgetting about BDA, despite their note-worthy appearance in P99 history.

[Champion_Standing]

Save it for next winter kid.

[kempoguy80]

This is a very odd "i'm joining AM" thread OP.

[monkeydoc]

This is a very odd "i'm joining AM" thread OP.

[Hotel]

Riot and AM actually competing for rooted dragons. It even brought competition to a new level. Pulling everything to the entrance was dumb imo.

lol

[Mblake81]

lol

https://i.imgur.com/IwttQAd.gif

[tylercanuck]

I sleep typically around 9pm-4am eastern through the week and stay up later on the weekend, still get up around 6-7am though.

[Mblake81]

You are acting like a girlfriend, Tyler.

I was in bed at 6pm and got up around 2:30am. Power was out at work, main switch blew fuses. Glad I wasn't crawling in the door this morning.

[Mblake81]

Already been up for 5 1/2 hours this morning. Time for some coffee.

[CharlesBarkley]

Fucking nerds :D

Sorry you have to zerg and the spotlight no longer shines so bright on your face.

May I suggest some shots of Bleeding Brain and chase it with some Skull Ale to ease the pain? That is my combo to dull the kicks Norrath deals out from time to time.

Your word salad posts are incomprehensible and you should probably stop making so goddamn many of them

[Mblake81]

Your word salad posts are incomprehensible and you should probably stop making so goddamn many of them

Kiss my ass, clear enough?

[Kazik]

THAT is subjective.

NToV crawl meta has a much larger margin for error because one dead player or split second of distraction doesn't lose the engage. Also, the weight of winning the engage now falls on an entire zerg (60+) rather just a small crew (~5). That is not subjective.

I doubt you participated much--if at all--in that era so it's not your fault for misunderstanding.

[feniin]

Gotta love the Riot members arguing with each other

[Xulia]

NToV crawl meta has a much larger margin for error because one dead player or split second of distraction doesn't lose the engage. Also, the weight of winning the engage now falls on an entire zerg (60+) rather just a small crew (~5). That is not subjective.

I doubt you participated much--if at all--in that era so it's not your fault for misunderstanding.

The figures you described are actual real numbers that aren't subjective. However, the idea of something like what you described:

to get CoTH'd within 12 seconds of a dragon spawning, timing your disc and DA to FTE that dragon, quickly maneuver and coordinate with at least five other people to bring a dragon solo to the entrance through the most hellish zone in the game.

That being fun and/or taking skill is subjective, and that's what I was referring to. I doubt you spend much time --if at all--talking to other people without failing to be condescending so it's not your fault for misunderstanding.

[Mblake81]

NToV crawl meta has a much larger margin for error because one dead player or split second of distraction doesn't lose the engage. Also, the weight of winning the engage now falls on an entire zerg (60+) rather just a small crew (~5). That is not subjective.

I doubt you participated much--if at all--in that era so it's not your fault for misunderstanding.

So the spotlight is no longer shining so brightly on your face, it's not the stardom that it once was for you. It does fall on the entire zerg now, which means more than just a few folks to do the playmaking. Hard times when you are not the star.

Here's A shot (https://wiki.project1999.com/Bleeding_Brain) and a chaser (https://wiki.project1999.com/Skull_Ale)

[Mblake81]

Gotta love the Riot members arguing with each other

I think that was larry but im not sure. Regardless its RNF, he talks shit directly to me and he gets it right back.

Besides, I asked to be shit on. Accustomed to it from the message boards I have been on. Don't always get where another is coming from and people are not forced to like each other.

[Kazik]

That being fun and/or taking skill is subjective, and that's what I was referring to.

If you get better at something the more you do it, would you say that activity requires skill?


I doubt you spend much time --if at all--talking to other people without failing to be condescending so it's not your fault for misunderstanding.

This sentence makes no sense.

[Xulia]

If you get better at something the more you do it, would you say that activity requires skill?

I would examine that claim based upon the activity in question. Let's take the old ToV pulls to the ent as an example:

You can only understand a virtual 3-dimensional space so far before you run out of space to explore, and this can be said for Spells and in-game Actions. It is possible without ever having played the game to mathematically plot the quickest path for a character to take based on their move speed, target's move speed, distance to travel, spells available, and distance moved/second where there will never be a way to improve. If you accept that your character will always move at a certain speed, the dragons would have moved at a certain speed, and the zone isn't geographically changing in any way, it's entirely possible that someone with no prior EverQuest experience could do what you've done rendering your 'skill' obsolete.

So to answer your question with another question - Can you call it a skill when it's applied math?

This sentence makes no sense.

It's nobody else's problem that you don't get it.

[Synthlol]

There's nothing in the world that exposes me to more second-hand embarrassment than internet people debating what video game tasks do or do not require their precious skill.

[Twochain]

There's nothing in the world that exposes me to more second-hand embarrassment than internet people debating what video game tasks do or do not require their precious skill.

Esports are the #2 sport in the world behind soccer. By the time your 60 (if you’re not already) l, video games will be the most popular “sport” in the world. Every kid in America under the age of 14 no longer watches television, they play video games, or watch other people play video games on twitch or YouTube.

[Xulia]

Esports are the #2 sport in the world behind soccer. By the time your 60 (if you’re not already) l, video games will be the most popular “sport” in the world. Every kid in America under the age of 14 no longer watches television, they play video games, or watch other people play video games on twitch or YouTube.

"DAAAAAD Turn it back! I wanna see who gets the FTE!"
-Lil'Xulia in 10 years

[Kazik]

I would examine that claim based upon the activity in question. Let's take the old ToV pulls to the ent as an example:

You can only understand a virtual 3-dimensional space so far before you run out of space to explore, and this can be said for Spells and in-game Actions. It is possible without ever having played the game to mathematically plot the quickest path for a character to take based on their move speed, target's move speed, distance to travel, spells available, and distance moved/second where there will never be a way to improve. If you accept that your character will always move at a certain speed, the dragons would have moved at a certain speed, and the zone isn't geographically changing in any way, it's entirely possible that someone with no prior EverQuest experience could do what you've done rendering your 'skill' obsolete.

So to answer your question with another question - Can you call it a skill when it's applied math?


The problem here is that you're assuming NToV is a static environment. It's not. There are many variables you can't account for (see: your guild leader training wyverns).


I doubt you spend much time --if at all--talking to other people without failing to be condescending so it's not your fault for misunderstanding.

How does being condescending relate in any way with what you feel is a misunderstanding?

[YendorLootmonkey]

"Sorry, we won't be able to announce the Olympic medalists in Everquest for a few weeks as every competing country has filed petitions against several other countries throughout and after completion of the event, and it all needs to be reviewed by lawyers."

[Xulia]

The problem here is that you're assuming NToV is a static environment. It's not. There are many variables you can't account for (see: your guild leader training wyverns).

I never argued it was static - poor attempt at a strawman - but it IS bound by very specific and observable rules (respawn timers, roaming paths, aggro range) Rules that can be memorized and exploited.

How does being condescending relate in any way with what you feel is a misunderstanding?

Correction - again - you failed to be condescending. Just like you failed to strawman my previous point.

[Kazik]

I never argued it was static - poor attempt at a strawman - but it IS bound by very specific and observable rules (respawn timers, roaming paths, aggro range) Rules that can be memorized and exploited.



Correction - again - you failed to be condescending. Just like you failed to strawman my previous point.

This really highlights just how little experience and understanding you have with the game. EverQuest isn't a perfect-information game. You can't memorize all the moving parts, player actions, server and programming quirks going on in ToV. There is simply too much hidden information from the user.

Your half baked pseudo intellectual nonsense is exhausting. You're like a poorly sketched draft of what a child believes a clever individual sound like.

I'm done wasting any more time with this. Good luck in life.

[amg088]

Esports are the #2 sport in the world behind soccer. By the time your 60 (if you’re not already) l, video games will be the most popular “sport” in the world. Every kid in America under the age of 14 no longer watches television, they play video games, or watch other people play video games on twitch or YouTube.

If video games are a sport, so are chess and spelling bees.

[Twochain]

If video games are a sport, so are chess and spelling bees.

Yeah i hear you. I played sports my whole life too so I get the "Sport" debate. Really only the competition is similar.

But you can make more money being a pro Dota 2 player than a pro tennis player

[gkmarino]

Yeah i hear you. I played sports my whole life too so I get the "Sport" debate. Really only the competition is similar.

But you can make more money being a pro Dota 2 player than a pro tennis playerTHE INTERNATIONAL 2019 LETS GO!!! 40 MILLION DOLLARS!!

[Xulia]

I'm done wasting any more time with this. Good luck in life.

Cool - be easy man, have a good one.

[Molitoth]

"Sorry, we won't be able to announce the Olympic medalists in Everquest for a few weeks as every competing country has filed petitions against several other countries throughout and after completion of the event, and it all needs to be reviewed by lawyers."

I laughed. <3 Yendor.

[Tethler]

Yeah i hear you. I played sports my whole life too so I get the "Sport" debate. Really only the competition is similar.

But you can make more money being a pro Dota 2 player than a pro tennis player

How much can you make as a pro EQ player though? We could ask Alleriah if he wasn't banned.

[Kayso2]

Yeah i hear you. I played sports my whole life too so I get the "Sport" debate. Really only the competition is similar.

But you can make more money being a pro Dota 2 player than a pro tennis player

There are several male tennis players at over $100MM lifetime earnings. Please tell me no one makes more than that playing video games.

[Nexii]

There are several male tennis players at over $100MM lifetime earnings. Please tell me no one makes more than that playing video games.

Top video game streamers make 10-15 mill a year. It's possible.

[Tethler]

There are several male tennis players at over $100MM lifetime earnings. Please tell me no one makes more than that playing video games.

Just saw a news story about Fortnight tourney with 30 mil in prizes with like the top 5 or something all becoming millionaires.

[LostCause]

when green comes out people will still raid on both

you can play blue and green at same time... in classic you won't have much to kill to be honest once max level..

[Muggens]

Welp, idk if you’ve heard or not, but I’m a seasoned gamer bruh.

This is the first mmorpg I’ve raided seriously. The reason it enticed me was due to how insane pulling to zone was.

I was a pro counter strike player. Sponsored and all that. In fact, I was sponsored to go to a lan next month in Texas. Im still pretty good.

I was a 4K+ player in Dota 2 back when that was very very high, beta+ just after release. Semi pro level HoN player. Played high level halo 2 when I was like 14. Top 2% age of empires 3. (never could get into Starcraft)

So id say id have decent authority to judge what takes skill in a video game or not.

I also has career and women

Aaand the gold medal award for Top Cringey post 2019 goes to...

[d3r14k]

Aaand the gold medal award for Top Cringey post 2019 goes to...

I was about to say "The year isn't over yet, Muggens". But then I read the post. Yes, you're right.

[Muggens]

I was about to say "The year isn't over yet, Muggens". But then I read the post. Yes, you're right.

Reading this forum, I wouldnt be suprised to see it "beaten" soon, but gotta give him credit :o