hey red99ers

[Secrets]

remember this?

http://i.imgur.com/59uZR.jpg

good times bros

[Shannacore]

omg i know what this means

[Secrets]

omg i know what this means

it means someone not on p1999 current dev team found something and is giving it to them should they want to use it or something

[naez]

I need this too its just the team colours?

[Salty]

what?

[Sirken]

Hey secrets, sirken here. You just made someone else not on the p99 dev team very happy. Let's hope that the p99red guides have very thick skin.

Teams pvp was ftw, ignore all the QQ that will be inc fromthe SZ kids.

And um, try to remember most of the people posting about basketball on these forums don't make up the majority. There are non retarded people that very much want a pvp server, but just don't feel like pestering the staff or spanning the boards.


Good luck with any projects your working on, you've always been good people.

<3
Sirken

[Secrets]

Hey secrets, sirken here. You just made someone else not on the p99 dev team very happy. Let's hope that the p99red guides have very thick skin.

Teams pvp was ftw, ignore all the QQ that will be inc fromthe SZ kids.

And um, try to remember most of the people posting about basketball on these forums don't make up the majority. There are non retarded people that very much want a pvp server, but just don't feel like pestering the staff or spanning the boards.


Good luck with any projects your working on, you've always been good people.

<3
Sirken

completely aware. thanks for the kind words. I don't think a lot would be needed to make a red99. I think the biggest issue facing the p1999 dev team is there are those idiots whether we like them to exist or not. that would distract them from velious policing the petty issues such as MQ2 and disputes. of course, I sincerely hope they do disputes different than vztz. no lns, no play nice policy, none of that. lns killed GMing vztz, and certainly turned a lot of players who were in favor of the server away from it.

that being said, there's alternatives until p1999 falls into place. altergate looks promising, as does TZT's server. Tarwine and Searyx will be getting any of my discoveries, as well as EQEmu in general will be getting some of those discoveries. freedom of information, bros.

[Secrets]

also, whoever tagged the thread, cute.

I did kill vile box 2.0 :(((

[naez]

I need this too


define killed crucify2.0

[Secrets]

define killed crucify2.0

qvf 2.0 bro, i killed it off

[Pudge]

you mean making it harder to train by changing game mechanics, or just letting ppl train?

hrrrmmm that just made me think, is there a way to track when a mob has agro on a certain char, and if the agro from that mob then goes to include another char who is on a different guild, if that could somehow be tracked/logged? i know fraps is good and all, but if somehow the game itself could say "if mob1 agro on playerX<guildA>, and mob1 agro on playerY<guildB>, and 3 other mobs also have the same agro, then *train detector activated*"?

also i was always for having some kind of special res effects for dying in pvp. maybe they could prevent you from harming anyone in the guild which killed you, while at the same time making you invulnerable as long as you are in your bind zone.. it's probably not possible, but just thinking about it now, that would eliminate bind camping as well as bind rushing. also im drunk though so maybe its not the greatest idea. but throwing it out there anyway

[wehrmacht]

Teams pvp was ftw, ignore all the QQ that will be inc fromthe SZ kids.


I don't understand this post because the majority of people against teams aren't SZ or TZ players, they're Heresy members that didn't even play EQ live PvP. Personally I'm for teams as it would create a server with higher population. Anything with more than 2 teams is not viable though.


I like your idea of no lns no gm interventions.


I already outlined the easiest way to implement a 0 rules system in this post, it involves the addition of Shadowrest or just giving the Priest of Discord the same abilities:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31288

[Pudge]

o and also, yea.. i dont think team pvp in a classic environment will be good, unless each team can have all classes/races/deities. and even then, there might be Xteamers being gay, spying and shit/using the same team to KS mobs and give to their char on another team.

if there were teams ppl would obv have to be immune to pvp for the first few levels, AND there should be no defined starting location for each team, it should have to be they work from the ground up to claim any areas as "their Team's"

imo.

and yes sirken i played on sullon lol

[Secrets]

if there were teams ppl would obv have to be immune to pvp for the first few levels

When you enable the dword in the client that controls pvp team state, it also level restricts pvp to level 6 and above clientsided.

EQEmu already has IsAttackAllowed, so making these rules enforced serversided wouldn't be hard either.

[Secrets]

you mean making it harder to train by changing game mechanics, or just letting ppl train?

hrrrmmm that just made me think, is there a way to track when a mob has agro on a certain char, and if the agro from that mob then goes to include another char who is on a different guild, if that could somehow be tracked/logged? i know fraps is good and all, but if somehow the game itself could say "if mob1 agro on playerX<guildA>, and mob1 agro on playerY<guildB>, and 3 other mobs also have the same agro, then *train detector activated*"?

The best defense is a slient one. If you want to have rules about that, you better log it silently, because if you give people a way to abuse the system, they will.

[naez]

wait so its hardcoded into the client and isnt just an appearance packet or w/e?


meaning you cant make custom teams with the colours?

[Pudge]

hrm i dont know why above it didnt say what i wanted it to, i meant "if mob1 agro on playerX-guildA, and THEN (forgot to add temporal component) mob1 agro on playY-guildB..

so it included guild as part of it. for some reason < and > cut what was between. but anyway. yea i see what you mean by silent logging as opposed to actually taking some action to nullify the agro or something. ppl would for sure try and exploit it

[mimixownzall]

I don't understand this post because the majority of people against teams aren't SZ or TZ players, they're Heresy members that didn't even play EQ live PvP. Personally I'm for teams as it would create a server with higher population. Anything with more than 2 teams is not viable though.




I already outlined the easiest way to implement a 0 rules system in this post, it involves the addition of Shadowrest or just giving the Priest of Discord the same abilities:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31288

3 teams could work. As long as there are teams I don't care if it's two or three, so long as it's teams.

I'm not sure about the other pvp servers on live, but on sullon zek POP is what killed the server. Not the rules set... not the team make-up. The books and instanced raids ruined pvp.

Were teams unballanced at times? Yes. But, what you found is people switching up teams for multiple reasons: too many people on this team, too many douchebags on that team, making new friends from other guilds and forming your own guild on a different faction... people would switch a lot.

This also gave people other alternatives if they got bored or started hating the people around them.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Who are you, and what have you done with Secretsone!?

[Prince]

need @ least 3 teams maybe 4

[mimixownzall]

o and also, yea.. i dont think team pvp in a classic environment will be good, unless each team can have all classes/races/deities. and even then, there might be Xteamers being gay, spying and shit/using the same team to KS mobs and give to their char on another team.

if there were teams ppl would obv have to be immune to pvp for the first few levels, AND there should be no defined starting location for each team, it should have to be they work from the ground up to claim any areas as "their Team's"

imo.

and yes sirken i played on sullon lol

After that drivel you just sputtered on about, I doubt you played on Sullon Zek.

[naez]

page2

I need this too

wait so its hardcoded into the client and isnt just an appearance packet or w/e?


meaning you cant make custom teams with the colours?

[Prince]

http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/barack-obama-worse-then-bernie-madoff.jpg?w=450&h=450

[wehrmacht]

It's hard enough to balance 2 teams, having 3 balanced teams probably isn't even possible (it wasn't on sullon zek). Try to rearrange my balanced 2 teams solution below into a balanced 3 teams solution, your results will probably suck:

Dark Elf Alliance (evil)
-----------------------
Dark Elf
Troll
Iksar
Ogre
Half Elf
Erudite


Human Alliance (good)
-------------------------
Human
Dwarf
Gnome
Halfling
High Elf
Barbarian
Wood Elf

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/barack-obama-worse-then-bernie-madoff.jpg?w=450&h=450

Guild leader of "Boyz N South Qeynos"

The docks lookin' might safe these days bro

[wehrmacht]

Also, each team gets all classes in the above scenario, list pro's and con's for whatever you list.

[Prince]

2 teams sux

[wehrmacht]

2 teams sux

make a viable 3 teams list, it doesn't even work.

[Prince]

so do 4

[Knuckle]

there is absolutely no way to hardcode training to not be feasible without breaking the pve mechanics of pulling and breaking dangerous dungeons etc.

[Dfn]

More targets the better.

FFA #1

And if you insist on teams, more teams is better. I hate having to put up with retards on my own team when I should be able to dirtnap them.

[wehrmacht]

there is absolutely no way to hardcode training to not be feasible without breaking the pve mechanics of pulling and breaking dangerous dungeons etc.

I don't know if you're talking about what I said but I didn't say hardcode it to prevent training from happening.

I said make it a 0 rules server but add the shadowrest zone and it would summon corpses every X number of hours (i would choose 4). That way there isn't a need for any loot and scoot or training rules. If a person wants to camp you, they can do it and you gotta log off 4 hours and come back then go get your corpse from shadowrest.

Could give the priest of discord in every town the ability to transport you to shadowrest then back again. This alone would solve like 90% of GM intervention problems.

[wehrmacht]

You could also do it without shadowrest and just have the priest of discord do it or give the priest of discord in each town the ability to summon your corpse if it's been dead for at least 4 hours. There were just way too many GM problems on TZVZ that revolved around corpse retrieval and corpses that were located at raid mobs when multiple guilds fought there.

[Koota]

there is absolutely no way to hardcode training to not be feasible without breaking the pve mechanics of pulling and breaking dangerous dungeons etc.

This is the most atrocious sentence I've ever read.

[Winobot]

This is the most atrocious sentence I've ever read.

This should be the slogan when you enter these forums.

Enjoy the brain bleeding!

[Japan]

^^^^^
what an awful post

[Misto]

This thread lacks a main topic / point of view. I'm confuzzled.

[Xantille]

I disagree, I think your guilds constant cheating, hacking, exploiting, and needless griefing of other players is what turned the server into a clusterfuck. It was players like you that forced the rules into existence and the last set was created by the players themselves, so um, go eat a dick.


<3

My whistle was clean. PLEASE TELL THEM SIRKEN.

[wehrmacht]

My whistle was clean. PLEASE TELL THEM SIRKEN.

Pay no attention to the 15 cleric bots running mq2 autobot behind the curtain

[Envious]

It was three teams on live, and it was broken (xteaming came about because no evil bards / druids fuk).

If you think 4 teams is possible, your a moron. Would need a highly custom server for that to work, and no, its just a stupid fucking idea.

Three teams is doable, but your going to need to drop necros into the good team, and bards / druids into the evil team, thats work.

2 teams is easy. Hard code that shit.

And fuck any clownshoe TZT server, searyx is a complete douche. That being said, Thurloc is cool, and has been since vanilla EQ.

[wehrmacht]

searyx is a complete douche..

Searyx is alright but he caves into whatever Heresy wants because he was guilded with Xantille. Probably one of the reasons that the entire LV guild was perma banned due to kringe and a couple others cheating up a storm while Heresy as a guild has had a combined 5 billion rule infractions and never got the entire guild banned.

[Knuckle]

i really feel strongly about my feelings regarding my sentence structure and punctiuation . furthermore i can type around 90wpm so sometimes i put my punctuation on the backburner bite me.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Just make Half Elves playable as evil bards and the problem is solved.

[Xantille]

Pay no attention to the 15 cleric bots running mq2 autobot behind the curtain

wat

auto-follow != MQ2, fail troll.

[Prince]

5 teams actually prob best solution tbh, lots of choice that way

[naez]

just put every1 on a different team

[Xantille]

just put every1 on a different team

agree

[Tiggles]

Sullon Zek had the best team based rule set don't kid yourselves.

[Dongshow]

I disagree, I think your guilds constant cheating, hacking, exploiting, and needless griefing of other players is what turned the server into a clusterfuck. It was players like you that forced the rules into existence and the last set was created by the players themselves, so um, go eat a dick.


<3

Agree to disagree. LNS rules were too cumbersome for an emulated server. The rules clearly state when to get a GM to intervene EXCEPT where were the fucking GMs?

Besides yourself, not one staff member at VZTZ was in any way competent. Your stupid rules weren't even fucking read by the other staff members. Obviously it wasn't thought to be important.

But, we need specific racial/class food/water consumption ASAP.

Get a clue Sirkdog, you got bamboozled.

[Smedy]

Screw teams, if you make it teams it better be 4, 2 is the most stupid idea i ever heard.

Maybe don't base the team on race, go on diety or something, so a dwarf can be on 2 different teams, use the brains pals, not that hard. That way you can balance 4 teams.

I'm pro FFA tho, ffa is the way to go and anyone who disagrees is a semi-bluebie

[mimixownzall]

I don't know if you're talking about what I said but I didn't say hardcode it to prevent training from happening.

I said make it a 0 rules server but add the shadowrest zone and it would summon corpses every X number of hours (i would choose 4). That way there isn't a need for any loot and scoot or training rules. If a person wants to camp you, they can do it and you gotta log off 4 hours and come back then go get your corpse from shadowrest.

Could give the priest of discord in every town the ability to transport you to shadowrest then back again. This alone would solve like 90% of GM intervention problems.

This is fucking retarded...

Why not just log off for 1 hour and come back to see your corpse uncamped? Why not round up some friends and fight to get your corpse back?

Did you every really play on Sullon Zek (I can't remember if you claimed to have played there)? I doubt it. It sounds like you want stuff watered down. Maybe it would be better to retain a population, but I doubt it.

If you were getting CC'd it was absolutely no problem at all to get some people to help you get your corpse back.

Of course, I was evil, if it was different on newts or goods I don't know.

[mimixownzall]

It was three teams on live, and it was broken (xteaming came about because no evil bards / druids fuk).

If you think 4 teams is possible, your a moron. Would need a highly custom server for that to work, and no, its just a stupid fucking idea.

Three teams is doable, but your going to need to drop necros into the good team, and bards / druids into the evil team, thats work.

2 teams is easy. Hard code that shit.

And fuck any clownshoe TZT server, searyx is a complete douche. That being said, Thurloc is cool, and has been since vanilla EQ.

You could have evil bards you dipshit. Crossteaming? Really? You have no clue wtf you're typing about. The only 'crossteaming' I can think of was when a goodie bought an evil level 47 bard and used him to train fear/hate (this was when it was legal to train your own team/faction). We got around this by bartering with a newt druid (not sure what the terms were) to take care of the bard.

Evils didn't have druids, rangers or paladins. Goods/Newts didn't have Necros or SK's. Evils didn't complain, I am not sure about goods/newts. Evils missed out on 3 classes, but this was offset by the race abilities gained from evil races.

Personally, I would like both/all teams to have all classes. This is only because I know my RL friends would want to play Necro/SK and this would limit us if we wanted to switch sides for whatever reason.

[Smedy]

At this point i wouldn't respond to anything wehrmacht says tbh, i think he is trollin it up big time with hotpockets @ basement

[Bruno]

This is his window of opportunity to make a name for himself. He was in my guild on vz/tz (no sympathy needed) and I barely know who the dude is. He wasn't in on any significant decision making or a deciding factor in pvp that I experienced.

[wehrmacht]

This is fucking retarded...

Why not just log off for 1 hour and come back to see your corpse uncamped? Why not round up some friends and fight to get your corpse back?

Did you every really play on Sullon Zek (I can't remember if you claimed to have played there)? I doubt it. It sounds like you want stuff watered down. Maybe it would be better to retain a population, but I doubt it.


I played a monk in Ruin then a warrior in Tides of Wrath during PoP for a while. My suggestion isn't to make any retards from TZVZ happy. It's to create a server that doesn't require any GM intervention and retain a server population over 50. I could give a flying crap what anyone from TZVZ thinks.

The idea is to have all the rules hardcoded into the game so it doesn't require GM's running around. If you make it so corpses are summoned into Shadowrest every X number of hours, then you have hardcoded prevention of corpse camping, loot and scoot, and all the other stuff that people whine about.

It isn't "blue" players that whined about corpse camping. Rexx was whining up a storm when we were camping his corpse when they wiped while trying to contest Voxx one time. He started pulling the "let's just be men about it, we don't all have the time to deal with all this stuff anymore". I guess you could argue that Rexx is a blue player but it is stupid to have any rules that aren't hardcoded.

[wehrmacht]

This is his window of opportunity to make a name for himself. He was in my guild on vz/tz (no sympathy needed) and I barely know who the dude is. He wasn't in on any significant decision making or a deciding factor in pvp that I experienced.

A random fishbait moron is trying to talk shit now. There was only like 2 people in that entire guild of 3000 that got into the top 20 server points for kills and I was one of them so you can fuck off with that "not any deciding factor in pvp" shit lol.

Ranger Best of the best, never forget:


http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5521/rexx.jpg

[Bruno]

A random fishbait moron is trying to talk shit now. There was only like 2 people in that entire guild of 3000 that got into the top 20 server points for kills and I was one of them so you can fuck off with that "not any deciding factor in pvp" shit lol.

Knuckle might be an idiot on these forums, but I would take him over you any day in a pvp battle. Sorry bud. Try to impress me some more.

[wehrmacht]

Knuckle might be an idiot on these forums, but I would take him over you any day in a pvp battle. Sorry bud. Try to impress me some more.

LOL, good, Knuckle can replace me because I'm not stupid enough to go anywhere near that guild again. Please stop using the word "bud" though, it gives off that old child molester guy type vibe. If you're into that stuff it's ok but but it probably causes most people to cringe while reading it.

[Bruno]

LOL, good, Knuckle can replace me because I'm not stupid enough to go anywhere near that guild again. Please stop using the word "bud" though, it gives off that old child molester guy type vibe. If you're into that stuff it's ok but but it probably causes most people to cringe while reading it.

I hope your quest for glory you never received works out for you.

[wehrmacht]

I hope your quest for glory you never received works out for you.

You and Knuckle (the #2 ranger) have fun grouping.

[Littlegyno]

You and Knuckle (the #2 ranger) have fun grouping.

Knuckle is the best to group with. He's my spiroc bro.

[Chanur]

Maybe Coheed and Cambria will write a song about this.

[Macken]

Searyx is alright but he caves into whatever Heresy wants because he was guilded with Xantille. Probably one of the reasons that the entire LV guild was perma banned due to kringe and a couple others cheating up a storm while Heresy as a guild has had a combined 5 billion rule infractions and never got the entire guild banned.

As usual you are wrong.

Heresy got a 3 day ban as a guild because of one of the many butt hurt players to be griefed off server weasled their way onto staff and banned them all. His excuse was the rules. Go figure. This happened alot (butt hurt players becoming gms just to ban Heresy) Maybe you are one of them. What was your gm name? Gronkus made an /ooc announcement about it. I'm sure someone has it screenshotted.

To you and the other guy claiming there were no bards on evil team: your ideas would be taken more seriously if you would stop spouting out stuff about yesteryear that is completely wrong and false.

[wehrmacht]

As usual you are wrong.

Heresy got a 3 day ban as a guild

I said perma ban not a 3 day ban.

[Macken]

I said perma ban not a 3 day ban.

never got the entire guild banned

Bolded it last time, made it more obvious this time.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Remember, pals, that this will be a FRESH start.

You won't have your pocket GMs.

You won't have a 2 year head start on gear.

You WILL have to actually know how to PvE. The P99 code is 1000x better than the VZTZ code. You won't be using Whirl til u hurl on raid bosses.

Hybrids will have a 40% exp penalty.

Casters won't have all their spells (even researched ones) conveniently available to them.

The list goes on. IF this server ever actually happens, it will be VERY interesting to say the least.

I give the server a lifespan of **MAYBE** 2 months...at which point the incessant whining of the "reds" will have proven their own downfall.

[naez]

naez: hahaha
naez: this guy is like
naez: =You WILL have to actually know how to PvE. =
POLK: ?
POLK: lolo
POLK: saw


naez: You WILL have to actually know how to PvE.
chadlek: the you won't be able to whir lraid mobs thing is lol
chadlek: bc that never worked on vztz

[wehrmacht]

I give the server a lifespan of **MAYBE** 2 months...at which point the incessant whining of the "reds" will have proven their own downfall.

It will actually last longer than P1999 blue because maxing out XP and getting every item in the game will happen pretty quick on a classic only blue server. They'll all get bored and go to P1999 Red after they "win the game".

The only thing to really prevent that from happening is if they implement PoP bosses and stuff like that in the old world settings as mentioned in this thread:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11879

[EkireiTheNecro]

Chadlek was like one of the worst PVPers on that server...and he was a fucking mage.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Hey Naez remember when Kunark opened, and your guild hid out in Chardok trying to farm....and you would order everyone to gate out as soon as you saw Heresy on /who ?

lawls

[EkireiTheNecro]

And no I'm not biased....I hate all of you.

Gonna be fun to own up some Heresy since they won't have a 2 year head start on farming planar gear.

All i remember of VZTZ was Heresy running around, in full planar and kunark gear, killing lvl 50s still wearing cloth armor in zones like mistmoore.

Takes lots of skill.

[Bruno]

Remember, pals, that this will be a FRESH start.

You won't have your pocket GMs.

You won't have a 2 year head start on gear.

You WILL have to actually know how to PvE. The P99 code is 1000x better than the VZTZ code. You won't be using Whirl til u hurl on raid bosses.

Hybrids will have a 40% exp penalty.

Casters won't have all their spells (even researched ones) conveniently available to them.

The list goes on. IF this server ever actually happens, it will be VERY interesting to say the least.

I give the server a lifespan of **MAYBE** 2 months...at which point the incessant whining of the "reds" will have proven their own downfall.

How many blowies did wehrmacht promise you to spread propaganda in his quest for glory?

[Macken]

You won't have your pocket GMs.

You won't have a 2 year head start on gear.


which point the incessant whining of the "reds" will have proven their own downfall.

He's got ya'll there.

You had gm's dangling on key chains, each box lasted over 2 years for a total of 6+ years and honestly you guys do whine alot.


Redrded99

Go Blue!

[Xantille]

Remember, pals, that this will be a FRESH start.

You won't have your pocket GMs.

You won't have a 2 year head start on gear.

You WILL have to actually know how to PvE. The P99 code is 1000x better than the VZTZ code. You won't be using Whirl til u hurl on raid bosses.

Hybrids will have a 40% exp penalty.

Casters won't have all their spells (even researched ones) conveniently available to them.

The list goes on. IF this server ever actually happens, it will be VERY interesting to say the least.

I give the server a lifespan of **MAYBE** 2 months...at which point the incessant whining of the "reds" will have proven their own downfall.

further proof that this douche is rly smart. pls stop posting.

[EkireiTheNecro]

i'm not even sure what this means. what i do know: u mad

You had that GM event axe that was like 60/60 or something ridiculous like that.

[naez]

I remember farming Chardok, but never being harassed by Heresy (besides the random Skunky rain).

[EkireiTheNecro]

I remember farming Chardok, but never being harassed by Heresy (besides the random Skunky rain).

LOL. I wouldn't really call precisely routed, frequent trains as "random" though.

[Xantille]

You had that GM event axe that was like 60/60 or something ridiculous like that.

it was like, 65/130. too slow to even be viable outside of melee duels / running on people and disc raping them, but pls QQ more.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Hey Naez you gonna re-roll as the FOTM class each time PVP gets rebalanced on this server too?

I remember when you rerolled as Slowpoke, the Rogue, once everyone realized how overpowered rogue damage was on VZTZ (because you sucked at necro)

[EkireiTheNecro]

it was like, 65/130. too slow to even be viable outside of melee duels / running on people and disc raping them, but pls QQ more.

At **WORST** it was like 60/100...and you used to run around two-shotting lvl 50s in cloth armor and bragging about it like it took skill.

[naez]

We were only there for like 4 days and the only train was from Rexx

[EkireiTheNecro]

Hey Naez you gonna re-roll as the FOTM class each time PVP gets rebalanced on this server too?

I remember when you rerolled as Slowpoke, the Rogue, once everyone realized how overpowered rogue damage was on VZTZ (because you sucked at necro)

Nevermind....you likely won't be able to lvl 1-60 in a day on Red99

[Xantille]

At **WORST** it was like 60/100...and you used to run around two-shotting lvl 50s in cloth armor and bragging about it like it took skill.

at worst, you have downs syndrome. i remember exactly what the damage/delay was, sorry you never found out.

and please, i'm sure i didn't brag after taking your anal virginity. pls drive through and continue supporting your pal wehrmacht.

[naez]

Hey Naez you gonna re-roll as the FOTM class each time PVP gets rebalanced on this server too?

I remember when you rerolled as Slowpoke, the Rogue, once everyone realized how overpowered rogue damage was on VZTZ (because you sucked at necro)

I pretty much destroyed on the necro, especially when one considers I was completely naked besides an oracle robe fighting people who pp'd/duped a bunch of diamond gear. The kill death ratio was above par for sure from the walls of YT posted on nightmare's site.

As for the rogue, it was alright but not for me.

[Macken]

At **WORST** it was like 60/100...and you used to run around two-shotting lvl 50s in cloth armor and bragging about it like it took skill.

Actually, 2 shotting a level 50 with a weapon could take an enormous amount of skill or luck.

[EkireiTheNecro]

at worst, you have downs syndrome. i remember exactly what the damage/delay was, sorry you never found out.

and please, i'm sure i didn't brag after taking your anal virginity. pls drive through and continue supporting your pal wehrmacht.

Pal...even with the best gear available and a full team of healers and debuffers in your pocket, all you could ever do was kill undergeared players 10 levels below you.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Actually, 2 shotting a level 50 with a weapon could take an enormous amount of skill or luck.

Not when your 10 levels higher Felstriking with a 60+ damage weapon...not really.

[Xantille]

Pal...even with the best gear available and a full team of healers and debuffers in your pocket, all you could ever do was kill undergeared players 10 levels below you.

i can exaggerate too pal. all you could ever do was start playing on p99?

don't be upset b/c you couldn't ball w/ the pros.

[EkireiTheNecro]

I pretty much destroyed on the necro, especially when one considers I was completely naked besides an oracle robe fighting people who pp'd/duped a bunch of diamond gear. The kill death ratio was above par for sure from the walls of YT posted on nightmare's site.

As for the rogue, it was alright but not for me.

I'm just fuckin with you Naez....your guild had some skilled players. That Erudite wizzy can't think of his name...he used to drop alot of players.

And especially, as you said, when one considers the fact that you guys never had any diamond or BD jewlery PVPing against people who duped full sets for their entire guild.

Like I said, things will be much different on this server when Heresy doesn't have a 2 year head start on farming/duping.

[Bruno]

This axe is pretty legendary. It has obviously caused some serious psychological damage to this dude. He mad.

[EkireiTheNecro]

i can exaggerate too pal. all you could ever do was start playing on p99?

don't be upset b/c you couldn't ball w/ the pros.

As I've already stated....It's not exactly difficult to kill people wearing CLOTH ARMOR when everyone in your guild is in full kunark gear with a full suit of resist jewlery.

[EkireiTheNecro]

This axe is pretty legendary. It has obviously caused some serious psychological damage to this dude. He mad.

Actually that's the irony. I was never personally killed by the axe myself, but I remember a LOOOTTTTT of QQing on the VZTZ forums about the axe being overpowered etc.

And I even recall the GMs basically agreeing, but saying fuck it and just letting him keep it.

[Macken]

Like I said, things will be much different on this server

So legendary Axe of Xantille will not be dropping on red99?

That's good news for us!

[EkireiTheNecro]

Who's Macken? Another Heresy fanboi?

[naez]

bertox necro

[EkireiTheNecro]

bertox necro

Like the deity or the server?

[wehrmacht]

I'm just fuckin with you Naez....your guild had some skilled players. That Erudite wizzy can't think of his name...he used to drop alot of players.

His name was Fishdicks. The server wasn't called "caster's paradise" pre-kunark for no reason. You got all these moron naked casters walking around 1-2 shotting people with ice comet or just sending mage pet and running away. The whole PvP system was a joke during that period.

[Macken]

I can't stand Heresy, those whining, red, pocket gm having, dynasty building, mq waving, exploit using crybabies.

I'm wanting to get a guild together to stomp those reds. You with me?

[EkireiTheNecro]

Big Naez I hope you're not trying to brown nose Heresy and join them.

From the looks of it right now....the server is gonna be Heresy vs. nobody.

[EkireiTheNecro]

His name was Fishdicks. The server wasn't called "caster's paradise" pre-kunark for no reason. You got all these moron naked casters walking around 1-2 shotting people with ice comet or just sending mage pet and running away. The whole PvP system was a joke during that period.

Actually I'm referring to Kunark fights in the burningwoods zone. After Heresy had already poopsocked lvl 60 and full suits of Kunark gear in like 2 days.

Remember when Kunark first opened, at like 3 AM and nobody knew about it except Heresy? Then they all ground to lvl 55/56 that night and GMs nerfed xp the next morning so Heresy had a 5+ level advantage over the whole server?

Yea I remember when that happened too.

[EkireiTheNecro]

I can't stand Heresy, those whining, red, pocket gm having, dynasty building, mq waving, exploit using crybabies.

I'm wanting to get a guild together to stomp those reds. You with me?

Sounds good to me. Let's be all Erudites and call ourselves the Norrathian Globetrotters.

[naez]

I don't have to brown nose to get into Heresy, Rexx still owes me at least 100k worth of shaker pulls on live. I would have joined in 2.0 if they weren't already undisputed best guild, so instead did a separate thing with dojii absorbed a bunch of Fish Bait scrubs and then watched 8iu kill the box with their hax

[EkireiTheNecro]

lol. 100k, that's like 5 pulls.

[EkireiTheNecro]

I don't have to brown nose to get into Heresy, Rexx still owes me at least 100k worth of shaker pulls on live. I would have joined in 2.0 if they weren't already undisputed best guild, so instead did a separate thing with dojii absorbed a bunch of Fish Bait scrubs and then watched 8iu kill the box with their hax

You guys were like the chinese dream team.

[naez]

lol. 100k, that's like 5 pulls.

I only put a quarter mill in on it and got like 50AA

[Macken]

Actually I'm referring to Kunark fights in the burningwoods zone. After Heresy had already poopsocked lvl 60 and full suits of Kunark gear in like 2 days.

Remember when Kunark first opened, at like 3 AM and nobody knew about it except Heresy? Then they all ground to lvl 55/56 that night and GMs nerfed xp the next morning so Heresy had a 5+ level advantage over the whole server?

Yea I remember when that happened too.

He's got ya'll again. That did happen ya'll.

[Macken]

Sounds good to me. Let's be all Erudites and call ourselves the Norrathian Globetrotters.

We are having elections. Would you like to run for guild president?

[EkireiTheNecro]

He's got ya'll again. That did happen ya'll.

I'm sure all of Heresy have probably "forgotten" about this....so you're probably correct.

[EkireiTheNecro]

http://reporter.piercelaw.edu/globetrotters.jpg

[naez]

Heresy was doing some fishy shit round the clock in Kurns, but iono what it was but there was always a farm of them there.

[EkireiTheNecro]

We're so good we dance while playing basketball.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Heresy was doing some fishy shit round the clock in Kurns, but iono what it was but there was always a farm of them there.

Lol I vaguely remember this as well.

I'm talking about the night Kunark openend, unannounced, yet mysteriously the entirety of the Heresy guild was online and grinding. All getting to 55 or so before the next day when GMs nerfed the xp to LIVE-LIKE level from the FIVE TIMES LIVE-LIKE levels it was previous.

[Macken]

Lol I vaguely remember this as well.

I'm talking about the night Kunark openend, unannounced, yet mysteriously the entirety of the Heresy guild was online and grinding. All getting to 55 or so before the next day when GMs nerfed the xp to LIVE-LIKE level from the FIVE TIMES LIVE-LIKE levels it was previous.

They definately had an inside track. I think Xantille was a gm.

[naez]

Ye I was online too when it happened. Searyx logged on a level 1 iksar and was like "lol this work??" then people were like osnape

[EkireiTheNecro]

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/Lcr2003/Globetrottin.jpg

[EkireiTheNecro]

^

Heresy players rolled up in that mat in the background.

[Macken]

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/Lcr2003/Globetrottin.jpg

That's AWESOME!

Can we change the color of my shirt?

[EkireiTheNecro]

That's us at our post-game photo op. You're in the red, recruiting me from the blue team.

[Macken]

How long has it been since you balled? you are lookin kinda puffy.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Heresy knows all the hand-signals.

http://www.freewebs.com/dg211/hand%20signals.jpg

[EkireiTheNecro]

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/Lcr2003/TechnicalFoul.jpg

[Macken]

Take it up strong big Ekirei.

[mimixownzall]

I played a monk in Ruin then a warrior in Tides of Wrath during PoP for a while. My suggestion isn't to make any retards from TZVZ happy. It's to create a server that doesn't require any GM intervention and retain a server population over 50. I could give a flying crap what anyone from TZVZ thinks.

The idea is to have all the rules hardcoded into the game so it doesn't require GM's running around. If you make it so corpses are summoned into Shadowrest every X number of hours, then you have hardcoded prevention of corpse camping, loot and scoot, and all the other stuff that people whine about.

It isn't "blue" players that whined about corpse camping. Rexx was whining up a storm when we were camping his corpse when they wiped while trying to contest Voxx one time. He started pulling the "let's just be men about it, we don't all have the time to deal with all this stuff anymore". I guess you could argue that Rexx is a blue player but it is stupid to have any rules that aren't hardcoded.

Or, you can set the rules and tell people to either suck it up, or gtfo.

[Macken]

Heresy was doing some fishy shit round the clock in Kurns, but iono what it was but there was always a farm of them there.

Oh yeah forgot about that. Definately fishy.

[wehrmacht]

Or, you can set the rules and tell people to either suck it up, or gtfo.

No need to have rules on a PvP server. Hardcode whatever you want rules to be. Is it that hard to understand. You're advocating a system that requires someone running around on a GM 24 hours a day policing everyone.

[mimixownzall]

No need to have rules on a PvP server. Hardcode whatever you want rules to be. Is it that hard to understand. You're advocating a system that requires someone running around on a GM 24 hours a day policing everyone.

The point is: the rules being, there are no rules as discussed in this and other threads.

Like on Sullon Zek. Very little rules.

No cheating.
No training your own team (or allow it.. whatever.. this came later on SZ).

What rules they wanted they DID code in; remember fansy? Fansy didn't do anything illegal, just took advantage of an overlooked mechanic.

Getting corpse camped? Find a way around it. IE: log off for a while and come back, find some companions to help get your corpse back.
No policing required. Not that hard to understand.

[Ennoia]

It doesn't matter if there needs to be policing or not. Not having things hardcoded in will still result in a shitload of petitions that the staff has to go through over those situations, meaning someone is still going to have to spend time dealing with it, even if it's to delete the petition from the queue.

[Arclyte]

http://g.bfbcs.com/963/pc_Spoonin.png

most kills with the 40mm grenade?

get AIDS

[wehrmacht]

The point is: the rules being, there are no rules as discussed in this and other threads.

Like on Sullon Zek. Very little rules.

No cheating.
No training your own team (or allow it.. whatever.. this came later on SZ).

What rules they wanted they DID code in; remember fansy? Fansy didn't do anything illegal, just took advantage of an overlooked mechanic.

Getting corpse camped? Find a way around it. IE: log off for a while and come back, find some companions to help get your corpse back.
No policing required. Not that hard to understand.

You're kinda missing what I'm saying here. Obviously since I played sullon zek, I don't care if it's a 0 rules server. The question is, do you actually believe the creators of P1999 will open a no rules server without any safeguards that allow loot and scoot and prevent corpse camping whether that be GM's enforcing it or just hardcoding it in as per my example.

You can't just act like a 10year old kid and say "I demand a server with _______" with no consideration to long term population sustainability and things like that. The devs probably do not want another TZVZ. With the right hardcoded rule setup, it could have 500-1000 population instead of 50. In Por Ylem2 UO server just opened up with 2300 people a week ago.

[AffEcT]

wehrmacht.....
I really really hope that the server staff ignores ever
butt hurt ranting comment and sentence you spam out on this forum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM&fmt=18

[Rushmore]

TEAMS DO NOT WORK

Why? Because if there are 2 or 5 teams.

What happens when the cool kids get together on each team and black list the players they don't like or want. No raid loots. And then you can't even attack them...

FFA is the only way.

[wehrmacht]

wehrmacht.....
I really really hope that the server staff ignores ever
butt hurt ranting comment and sentence you spam out on this forum.


lolz, who the fuck is this guy? Looks like a picture of some prolific 1980's serial killer

[Secrets]

lolz, who the fuck is this guy? Looks like a picture of some prolific 1980's serial killer

You shut your whore mouth about Brad McQuaid.

[mimixownzall]

FFA is retarded. It only benefits those who are in top guilds.

It will highly discourage new players who aren't going to have guilds to join when they start. At least with teams you have comrades to adventure/pvp with.

Notice the only people opposed to teams are those who will potentially be in those top guilds.

They would hate to have to have competition by having two or three guilds from the opposing faction come in and wreck them.

They want server domination, don't give it to them.

[EkireiTheNecro]

FFA is retarded. It only benefits those who are in top guilds.

It will highly discourage new players who aren't going to have guilds to join when they start. At least with teams you have comrades to adventure/pvp with.

Notice the only people opposed to teams are those who will potentially be in those top guilds.

They would hate to have to have competition by having two or three guilds from the opposing faction come in and wreck them.

They want server domination, don't give it to them.

It's hilarious cuz you're 100% right. Then they will cry endlessly after they've driven all competition off of the server due to duping, exploits, MQ2 etc.

Remember how every member of Heresy had full sets of diamond/BD resist gear and nobody else on the server did!?!?

Heresy having several Tstaffs the day after Kunark release etc....lawls, what a joke.

Gonna be different this time around bros.

[AffEcT]

I think a lot of you guys are doing a huge misstake on the posts here.
First off, this will not be another VZTZ server.

(Old School Xp) Best anti-cheat system there is. Level up a char just to get banned after halv a year and lose everything.
It will probably take away the game manipulation anyway, (speed/warp) and the other hax.

(No Boxing) Everyone will not have a buffbot/portbot/oorhealer to rome the countryside with. "Like on VZTZ"

And lets be honest about this whole team thing. I have said it befor and i will say it again.
There will always be "No Lifers" who take this game very seriosly. Always have and always will.
They will zerg stomp you with the middle finger up in the air.

Teams i think will probably screw the PvP up, this ofc depends on what kinda team server it will be,
but it all comes down to xteaming, class differences and population that could be an issue for over all balance.

Teams will not save you or change anything from my point of view.
Please point out what team pvp could offer the server in balance.
Because i just dont see it. The only thing i see is that you can not kill
or be killed by a guy on the same team. So you want to limit the pvp?
Is that blue liquid pumping thru your veins?

With FFA you are a free player and you are free to play with or against who ever you want.
Setting a guild player limit could remove some of the zerg but
this game is all about competition and team work.
So you better be ready.

And please dont spam with butt hurt emo syndrome.

[Smedy]

<insert> but root ??!?!1?! </insert>

there now you don't have to reply wehrmacht, and yes you can thank me later on the box when im rollin your blue ass