When I knew we were done

[shutdown]

Riot wipes to AOW at 3%, we show up with 35 people and still wipe. Thoughts and prayers.

[Hideousclaw]

Give yourself some credit: Fresh FTE's started at 7%

[Kayso2]

AoW was perfect. It's not about killing AoW and getting loot. It's about denying pixels. Mission accomplished.

[Molitoth]

AoW was perfect. It's not about killing AoW and getting loot. It's about denying pixels. Mission accomplished.

Everyone got denied pixels = Dannyl got to masturbate today.

[Kit]

Which guild will riot absorb next, so they won't have to team up for aow?

[feniin]

Which guild will riot absorb next, so they won't have to team up for aow?

You sound mad/sad/bad. Is it because nobody wants to play with your toxic guild?

[Valakut]

Riot wipes to AOW at 3%, we show up with 35 people and still wipe. Thoughts and prayers.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=328819

[Kayso2]

Which guild will riot absorb next, so they won't have to team up for aow?

Think of it this way, you're in your pre-application period now. Consider being on your best behavior.

[Zutizutzut]

Which guild will riot absorb next, so they won't have to team up for aow?

Not sure we need to absorb any guilds. We're getting plenty of AM apps this week and we can get them without any DKP package. Thanks for your concern though. See 15 of you on the battlefield next week...rest can keep working on tans/sleeping in.

[Kit]

Not sure we need to absorb any guilds.

You mean Riot doesn't need to absorb any more guilds?

[Yoink1986]

Riot hasn’t absorbed any guilds. We have received a lot of apps because we have fun killing shit and treat each other nicely.

[Zutizutzut]

You mean Riot doesn't need to absorb any more guilds?

Zing!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7dFE37_Yk)

[fastboy21]

Riot hasn’t absorbed any guilds. We have received a lot of apps because we have fun killing shit and treat each other nicely.

Ahh the p99 Blue raid scene...when being treated nicely by your own guild is considered a bonus perk.

[DromalPhrenia]

My guild treats me really well though?

[Wonkie]

Ahh the p99 Blue raid scene...when being treated nicely by your own guild is considered a bonus perk.

[Kaezyr D`Shiv]

Riot hasn’t absorbed any guilds. We have received a lot of apps because we have fun killing shit and treat each other nicely.

100% this. Come check out why <Riot> is great for this reason, and for robots taking over the world, and a certain sought after mummy all make it great to be in <Riot>. Also, thank goodness for Discord.

[matticas]

The worst AM members I've encountered during my years in the guild—those who didn't "treat people nicely"—are either no longer in AM, are inactive, or are now in Riot. AM is generally really good to AM as well as to others.

You guys (including AM people here) seem to spend too much time judging the majority based on the minority. Though, I suppose this is the point of RnF? I still don't really get this forum.

[Jimjam]

The worst AM members I've encountered during my years in the guild—those who didn't "treat people nicely"—are either no longer in AM, are inactive, or are now in Riot. AM is generally really good to AM as well as to others.

You guys (including AM people here) seem to spend too much time judging the majority based on the minority. Though, I suppose this is the point of RnF? I still don't really get this forum.

It exists to make oneself look dumb.

[Not_Mikeo]

The worst AM members I've encountered during my years in the guild—those who didn't "treat people nicely"—are either no longer in AM, are inactive, or are now in Riot. AM is generally really good to AM as well as to others.

You guys (including AM people here) seem to spend too much time judging the majority based on the minority. Though, I suppose this is the point of RnF? I still don't really get this forum.

It doesn’t really count if the trolly assholes are only kicked when they do something that gets you suspended and all their assholeness is tolerated prior.

[matticas]

It doesn’t really count if the trolly assholes are only kicked when they do something that gets you suspended and all their assholeness is tolerated prior.

"Trolly assholes" and actual rule breakers are two different things.

Rule breakers have often been kicked wholly apart from anything suspension-related. This isn't something you can genuinely understand unless you've been a member of AM, just as I can't really understand your guilds inner workings (and so don't comment on them).

[Ravager]

AoW was perfect. It's not about killing AoW and getting loot. It's about denying pixels. Mission accomplished.
I know you! You're that jerk that asks sales clerk at the gas station 500 stupid questions so that I have to put my Hotpocket back and go somewhere else for my lonely, lonely dinner.



"I have a coupon that gives me 3 cents off a gallon of gas, can I use that on any kind of gas? I know this is Casey's, but this coupon is from Holiday, will you honor it? How fresh are these apples? Can you refill the window washer fluid? Does your gas ever go on sale? Why are your chips so expensive? I'm not paying that! I can buy the same bag from Walmart for half that price. Your pump isn't working, is that what that plastic bag meant? I only paid one dollar for a burrito last week, why is it so much now? Why do I have to pay cash for lottery tickets?"



Denying pixels is one thing, but denying Hotpockets makes you the worst.

[Thulghor]

Denying pixels is one thing, but denying Hotpockets makes you the worst.

[Kayso2]

I know you! You're that jerk that asks sales clerk at the gas station 500 stupid questions so that I have to put my Hotpocket back and go somewhere else for my lonely, lonely dinner.



"I have a coupon that gives me 3 cents off a gallon of gas, can I use that on any kind of gas? I know this is Casey's, but this coupon is from Holiday, will you honor it? How fresh are these apples? Can you refill the window washer fluid? Does your gas ever go on sale? Why are your chips so expensive? I'm not paying that! I can buy the same bag from Walmart for half that price. Your pump isn't working, is that what that plastic bag meant? I only paid one dollar for a burrito last week, why is it so much now? Why do I have to pay cash for lottery tickets?"



Denying pixels is one thing, but denying Hotpockets makes you the worst.

You must be new here. You're missing context.

[Wonkie]

Stromboli and calzone are just socially acceptable hotpockets

change my mind

[Thulghor]

I think you just blew my mind.

[Tethler]

Stromboli and calzone are just socially acceptable hotpockets

change my mind

If hotpockets aren't socially acceptable, you're in the wrong social circles.

[Swish2]

You must be new here. You're missing context.

He's not new, just not very bright.

[titanshub]

If hotpockets aren't socially acceptable, you're in the wrong social circles.

Fair point

[Arkanjil]

We had 23 people waiting to faction tag, we didn't bring a force. We didn't expect them to wipe with 90....:p

[Yoink1986]

^sure sure../rolls eyes.

[Hideousclaw]

Aftermath didn't call in all their plentiful raiders for a Statue or AoW? Find that real hard to believe. Statue pops and you guys peak at 31. Sounds like guild fatigue and player apathy to me.

[Arkanjil]

Write whatever narrative you want, I don’t care.

[Viscere]

I guess wiping at 3% counts as denying your own guild the pixels

Makes my ring of destruction look more shiny on my finger :D

[Jimjam]

Write whatever narrative you want, I don’t care.

Had to stop killing at 7% cos summer was just getting started.

[Heebs13]

Come on guys, don't gloat. This is RnF: a place for good sportsmanship and server unity.

[Mblake81]

If hotpockets aren't socially acceptable, you're in the wrong social circles.

I'll take being in the the wrong one.

Makes my ring of destruction look more shiny on my finger :D

It's a nice ring, worthy of pixel lust.

Had to stop killing at 7% cos summer was just getting started.

Pool time comes first, perhaps log on sometime later in the evening for an hour. Weekend pops worked better for me but this helps the euros out, more pool time.

[Ruhtar]

Write whatever narrative you want, I don’t care.

I love the "narrative" AM makes up themselves. Talk shit and gloat when it's your time in the sun, then come up with 100 different excuses as to why you guys shit the bed on your first cycle back after a suspension. If you guys wanted to hang out by the pool and get those sweet, sweet sun rays, didn't you just have a week to do that? Damn, didn't know a 7-day suspension was going to kill your guild.

I'm guessing next weekend will be the same deal since you'll all be celebrating the 4th, amirite?

[Mblake81]

I'm guessing next weekend will be the same deal since you'll all be celebrating the 4th, amirite?

The smell of steak over charcoal, cold drinks, sun lotion & pool chemicals mix in the air while an old familiar rune plays over the radio.

[Mblake81]

I would rather be on one of these than at the keyboard during the 4th but that is just me.

https://i.imgur.com/wgM0RqH.jpg

[Arkanjil]

Look at all you! Finally tasting some victory after largely being denied pixels for over 3 years! You’re starting to become the assholes that you largely rallied against. It doesn’t bother me at all, congrats on finally getting some loot! It’s only a matter of time before that hatred you’ve built up turns to one of your “allies” or inwards.

Please keep posting more about how shitty you think AM is now though, I’m loving the salty ass posts.

And yes, I am enjoying summer btw!

http://i.imgur.com/Z9InMbG.jpg

Get your pixels quick before most of us, including some of you all, leave for Classic WoW and Green99.

[Mblake81]

Look at all you! Finally tasting some victory after largely being denied pixels for over 3 years! You’re starting to become the assholes that you largely rallied against. It doesn’t bother me at all, congrats on finally getting some loot! It’s only a matter of time before that hatred you’ve built up turns to one of your “allies” or inwards.

Doom Speak.

Please keep posting more about how shitty you think AM is now though, I’m loving the salty ass posts.

And yes, I am enjoying summer btw!

http://i.imgur.com/Z9InMbG.jpg

Get your pixels quick before most of us, including some of you all, leave for Classic WoW and Green99.

Nice steak. Cool. When you leave for WoW its not an issue. Was happy having the competition here while it lasted.

[Mblake81]

Doom Speak = When you are backed into a corner with no readily available options. I feeling of defeat and anger swell inside you, erupting into a spasm of words aimed to bring your opponent a feeling of loss or potential loss to hurt them. There is also a hope the tables will turn back in ones favor.

"You just wait, its gonna be worse on you"

Typically a tactic of angry women. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNSt3wJXZk0) That steak is about as bloody as the gash between your legs.

[Arkanjil]

Doom Speak = When you are backed into a corner with no readily available options. I feeling of defeat and anger swell inside you, erupting into a spasm of words aimed to bring your opponent a feeling of loss or potential loss to hurt them. There is also a hope the tables will turn back in ones favor.

"You just wait, its gonna be worse on you"

Typically a tactic of angry women. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNSt3wJXZk0) That steak is about as bloody as the gash between your legs.

Keep going, I’m almost there! ;)

[Ruhtar]

Must be the summer sun giving you this fuzzy memory of 3+ years of pixel dominance. It's ok, Dark, go enjoy your summer. At least you're getting something out of that.

[Mblake81]

Keep going, I’m almost there! ;)

:D

[Baylan295]

Look at all you! Finally tasting some victory after largely being denied pixels for over 3 years! You’re starting to become the assholes that you largely rallied against. It doesn’t bother me at all, congrats on finally getting some loot! It’s only a matter of time before that hatred you’ve built up turns to one of your “allies” or inwards.

Please keep posting more about how shitty you think AM is now though, I’m loving the salty ass posts.

And yes, I am enjoying summer btw!

http://i.imgur.com/Z9InMbG.jpg

Get your pixels quick before most of us, including some of you all, leave for Classic WoW and Green99.

Did you not have steak the last three summers? What is different about this one?

[feniin]

This is the first summer in since Detoxx ascended.

[feniin]

This is the first summer since Detoxx ascended.

Stupid phone.

[tylercanuck]

Did you not have steak the last three summers? What is different about this one?

Three years worth of loot.

Dead server imminent.

[Baylan295]

Three years worth of loot.

Dead server imminent.

I think I said this in another thread... I thought it wasn't about the loot, but it was about the competition.

[feniin]

Basically the minute that Aftermath couldn't claim to be number one anymore they lost all the wind in their sails. The only thing keeping them going is the hot air all their RnF posters keep blowing.

[tylercanuck]

I think I said this in another thread... I thought it wasn't about the loot, but it was about the competition.

Is that taken from a sample size of 3 AM RnF'ers? People joined AM for loot. People tolerated Detoxx's toxicity for loot. A lot of people no longer wish to commit significant time for loot after years of gearing 5th alts. Green and WoW classic are right around the corner, too.

It's time for the loot depraved guilds to shine. Enjoy it.

[Nuggie]

When the evil tyrant is overgrown they are replaced by another evil tyrant. The circle continues. Who will fill the vacuum?

Casuals, do me a favor and break the vicious cycle P99 has been on the last 9 years.

[Nuggie]

Overthrown .... Overgrown... this blackberry has a mind of it's own....

[Ghostly]

It's insane that people are using "You wanted to be outside in the sun and grilling" as a negative thing.

"Pfft, you lost pixels because your members want to go outside, looooosers"

[reznor_]

Stromboli

Ayyyyyyy

[Arkanjil]

I think I said this in another thread... I thought it wasn't about the loot, but it was about the competition.

I'm happy for the success of Core/PS in creating Riot, out-maneuvering us in recruitment and soaking up any viable raiders in every guild. As someone who does love the competition more than loot, it sucks to lose mobs. But that's the been the MO of this server since the start, everything comes in ebbs and flows. AM has taken a beating the last few weeks, but we're not dead. I hope we can turn the tide around so it's not just a free ride for Riot the next few months that I'm playing here actively.

I've said this since Classic WoW and Green99 were announced, before Riot was a thing, and before our regulars stopped playing as much...I'm here to have fun and compete when I can until those 2 games launch. After 10 years on blue99, it's time for a change of pace and scenery. I'll still stop in once in awhile to see how things are, but I'm counting down the days. Who knows what's going to happen to the raid scene when those 2 servers launch? For any of you newer raiders (last 3-4 years), just know...whoever you think is an enemy today, you might just find yourself guilded and friendly with tomorrow. Ebbs and flows. No, you can't have my shit when I leave. :p

[Mblake81]

Green and WoW classic are right around the corner, too.

It's time for the loot depraved guilds to shine. Enjoy it.

Woot.

Greener pastures and pee-vee-pee with my Tauren bullman.

[Mblake81]

I've said this since Classic WoW and Green99 were announced, before Riot was a thing, and before our regulars stopped playing as much...I'm here to have fun and compete when I can until those 2 games launch. After 10 years on blue99, it's time for a change of pace and scenery. I'll still stop in once in awhile to see how things are, but I'm counting down the days. Who knows what's going to happen to the raid scene when those 2 servers launch? For any of you newer raiders (last 3-4 years), just know...whoever you think is an enemy today, you might just find yourself guilded and friendly with tomorrow. Ebbs and flows. No, you can't have my shit when I leave. :p

It's not so bad guys. We get to do this all over again and prance about the eq-lite landscapes of Azeroth.

After doing this for so long, climbing to the highest pixel peaks and looking down upon the faces of green noobs, I have reached peak immersion.

[Wonkie]

Look at all you! Finally tasting some victory after largely being denied pixels for over 3 years! You’re starting to become the assholes that you largely rallied against. It doesn’t bother me at all, congrats on finally getting some loot! It’s only a matter of time before that hatred you’ve built up turns to one of your “allies” or inwards.

Please keep posting more about how shitty you think AM is now though, I’m loving the salty ass posts.

And yes, I am enjoying summer btw!

http://i.imgur.com/Z9InMbG.jpg

Get your pixels quick before most of us, including some of you all, leave for Classic WoW and Green99.

that steak is undercooked

[Rang]

Look at all you! Finally tasting some victory after largely being denied pixels for over 3 years! You’re starting to become the assholes that you largely rallied against. It doesn’t bother me at all, congrats on finally getting some loot! It’s only a matter of time before that hatred you’ve built up turns to one of your “allies” or inwards.

Please keep posting more about how shitty you think AM is now though, I’m loving the salty ass posts.

And yes, I am enjoying summer btw!

http://i.imgur.com/Z9InMbG.jpg

Get your pixels quick before most of us, including some of you all, leave for Classic WoW and Green99.


Why is an uncooked steak sitting in a pool of A-1 sauce? Looks like some decent cuts tho.

[DromalPhrenia]

The best part of our recent losses has been the script flip, with people who used to say 'AM players have no lives' and AM responding 'u mad u got no wins', to AM saying 'we have lives unlike you' and the former life-havers saying u mad u got no wins.

Everyone follows the same tired arguments, the only thing changing is who has lives.

For what it's worth, I was warned well ahead of time in AM that we have much lower summer attendance. I wasn't here for any previous summers so I don't know how much we did/didn't win, but it came up multiple times that we'd need new blood for the summer. I don't know if Riot intentionally formed and heavily recruited right before summer or not, but if it was a plan, it was a smart one.

I hope Riot continues to contest every mob, and obviously I hope we reach our old highs of attendance too. AM has had low periods in the past, and it's too early to call our death. One guild on top is not healthy for the server, and from what I hear, not healthy for the one guild either.

[feniin]

fwiw I don't think there's many people that Riot is actively 'recruiting' as much as people flocking to raid with people who are fun to be around after their guilds stagnate. Aftermath was the only top guild choice for a long time and people stayed with their lower tier guild because they didn't want to play with or be associated with AM. Now that there is a new option people are taking advantage of it.

[whyyoukickmydog]

Why is an uncooked steak sitting in a pool of A-1 sauce? Looks like some decent cuts tho.

That's Worcestershire sauce you heathen...The only crime here is that he's not grilling bone-in Ribeyes.

[Kayso2]

Did you not have steak the last three summers? What is different about this one?

I went to the store yesterday. As soon as I decide which item is most likely to impress, I'll post a pic. I'm thinking the State Fair Corndogs. I got the expensive all beef ones -- $8.49 for a box of 12. #715amSteak #SummerFlex

[Gozuk]

Where the fuck do you guys live that you can only grill for 3 months out of the year?

[DromalPhrenia]

fwiw I don't think there's many people that Riot is actively 'recruiting' as much as people flocking to raid with people who are fun to be around after their guilds stagnate. Aftermath was the only top guild choice for a long time and people stayed with their lower tier guild because they didn't want to play with or be associated with AM. Now that there is a new option people are taking advantage of it.

I have heard applicants in the past say that they had heard a slew of negative things about AM, and were surprised to find none of it true after joining. Ranging from accusations that we cheat and use bannable third-party-programs, to massive toxicity from our officers, to us just generally being hyper-serious angry neckbeard types that will accept nothing less than 24/7 availability to raid. None of which are at all true from my experience in the guild.

These were all pre-riot so I'm not assigning blame there, there just seems to be a very negative view of the guild, at least in some other guilds, that does not mesh with the reality. I know some of it is based in things that were once true (apparently Detoxx used to be very angry, before my time).

On the flip-side of that, we've had applicants that we were warned were awful, just real dickheads who play scummy and treat people like shit. Some of that was described first-hand. They were given a chance anyway, and proved themselves to be helpful and kind and nothing like they were described.

Reading over this post, I'm not sure there's much point to it - just seems like there's a lot of misunderstandings about guilds and about individual players. I don't mind if people don't want to join AM - maybe they don't like that we only allow mains to bid on Vulak loot, maybe our app period is too long, maybe they don't want to be guilded with me (I'm an idiot). But if they think they shouldn't join AM because it's this miserable group of angry neckbeards, being bullied by cruel officers, that's a shame, because I've been very happy in AM, and that's as someone who is less pixel-obsessed than most raiders; so far my only dkp bid was ring 10 (worth it)

[mattydef]

It's kind of sad actually, some of these guys are literally BBQing in the summer for what seems like the first time in who knows how long. To think that they couldn't do something so simple while also enjoying some video game time is crazy.

[Kayso2]

The best part of our recent losses has been the script flip, with people who used to say 'AM players have no lives' and AM responding 'u mad u got no wins', to AM saying 'we have lives unlike you' and the former life-havers saying u mad u got no wins.

Is that really what you take away from this?

There's no script flip. If AM doesn't gloat when it wins and make RIDICULOUS excuses when it loses there's no posts. We get a mob. You get the next one. NBD.

You're poor sports and you're getting your noses rubbed in the mess you've made.

[Wonkie]

Where the fuck do you guys live that you can only grill for 3 months out of the year?

you have a poor latitude buddy

[DromalPhrenia]

Is that really what you take away from this?

There's no script flip. If AM doesn't gloat when it wins and make RIDICULOUS excuses when it loses there's no posts. We get a mob. You get the next one. NBD.

You're poor sports and you're getting your noses rubbed in the mess you've made.
What? There absolutely is a script flip, people stated that Aftermath only got mobs at weird hours due to having no lives. Now they're in a guild that gets mobs at weird hours, so that explanation won't work without insulting themselves.

If the excuse that we didn't log on due to having real lives is ridiculous and poor sportsmanship, then that means all the people using that excuse in the past were ridiculous poor sports too.

"Get a life, morans" vs. "Mad because bad" is the script, its been flipped. No idea what you're going on about.

[Kayso2]

No idea what you're going on about.

I'm sure Detoxx, Monrezz, DMX, and all the other boys of summer have no idea either...

[reznor_]

No idea what you're going on about.

It's Kayso2, in general he doesn't really have a grasp of what *he's* going on about.

I've only been raiding competitively for about 3 months. The issue I take with all of this is the hypocrisy of Riot and this pseudo “white knight” attitude. I can cite the recent example of the AM raid suspension from the guard train at Vulak. That shit happens on both sides of the fence, it's just noticeably less public when someone else does it to AM. Newsflash, Riot are not always the good guys (and neither are we).

The GMs did a shitty job with rooting the dragons, it was lazy. Yeah yeah I know you’re not paid and this a volunteer effort. But I write code as part of my job, too. There was no thought that went into it except they were tired of seeing 1 guild dominate the pull to zone tactic. It’s difficult for me to believe the kumbaya meta they are trying to instill.

I’m personally fine with cycles going back and forth, and allowing everyone to get loot, because it’s cool and it’s fun. I never got to experience this in classic and I’m happy to experience it now -- the competitive environment is great. But the rooted dragons just wear me down. I love p99 and I love my class, I really enjoy playing a more active role as a cleric now. But for gods sake, can we at least allow the dragons to be positioned? It was novel for like, 2 or 3 cycles, but like we saw this weekend, it took Riot approximately 4 hours to kill Vulak with no competition. Just make the leash range short, like 200-400 units or something, allow for positioning, etc. Even a small change like that would improve the quality of life for those involved.

But moreover, stop being the pot calling the kettle black. Y’all were complaining that AM players have no life, that they get mobs at off hours and always have 100+. That meta is flipped now, it’s Riot who gets the mobs at off hours, etc. My only complaint is the hypocrisy. Stop acting like something you aren’t.

[Kayso2]

I've only been raiding competitively for about 3 months

They should have made you and officer and not Monrezz. Experience matters.

[reznor_]

They should have made you and officer and not Monrezz. Experience matters.

Still on about me being Monrezz? Damn, get a grip.

[Baylan295]

I'm happy for the success of Core/PS in creating Riot, out-maneuvering us in recruitment and soaking up any viable raiders in every guild. As someone who does love the competition more than loot, it sucks to lose mobs. But that's the been the MO of this server since the start, everything comes in ebbs and flows. AM has taken a beating the last few weeks, but we're not dead. I hope we can turn the tide around so it's not just a free ride for Riot the next few months that I'm playing here actively.

I've said this since Classic WoW and Green99 were announced, before Riot was a thing, and before our regulars stopped playing as much...I'm here to have fun and compete when I can until those 2 games launch. After 10 years on blue99, it's time for a change of pace and scenery. I'll still stop in once in awhile to see how things are, but I'm counting down the days. Who knows what's going to happen to the raid scene when those 2 servers launch? For any of you newer raiders (last 3-4 years), just know...whoever you think is an enemy today, you might just find yourself guilded and friendly with tomorrow. Ebbs and flows. No, you can't have my shit when I leave. :p

DMX, you and I have always gotten along pretty well. I don't expect a free ride (and I keep telling our folks to not ride too high or too low after a cycle), but for the guild that considers itself the Lords of P99, it's truly amazing how quickly things seem to have turned from "WE DOMINATE EVERYTHING" to arguing wildly for rules changes, and listing off a laundry list of reasons for why AM hasn't dominated the last few weeks.

I have been in a leadership role in a raiding guild for about a year now. In that time, I've dealt with staggering arrogance, being called a casual, and was in role that was often dismissed by AM leadership. You'll forgive me if I'm excited about sticking it to the guys that were so dismissive for so long.

-Baylan

[Arkanjil]

It's kind of sad actually, some of these guys are literally BBQing in the summer for what seems like the first time in who knows how long. To think that they couldn't do something so simple while also enjoying some video game time is crazy.

Yeah, that's it. :rolleyes:

[isiah]

<Salty Denial>

[Arkanjil]

I'm sure Detoxx, Monrezz, DMX, and all the other boys of summer have no idea either...

You're pretty toxic friend. Maybe you should be the one going outside...

[smitho1984]

Look at all you! Finally tasting some victory after largely being denied pixels for over 3 years!

3 years huh... Y'all were #2 at best until AW disbanded.

[Viscere]

We killed AW

[smitho1984]

We killed AW

Sure...

[Dman2701]

Wasn't even in AW, and know that Sirken killed AW

[Syche]

Wasn't even in AW, and know that Sirken killed AW

[Legday]

Any non biased ppl want to give me the rundown on how things have been going in the end game? Haven't been around for probably a year but I see ppl beating their chests about having the upper hand on AM but then I spot check AM's attendance this week and see Doze and Eashen kills so it can't be as lopsided as some are making it out to be...

[Erati]

@Vraxx

It took 4 hours bc two other dragons spawned...was not just Vulak.

Legday, you are missed, I enjoyed all the classic Asgard competitors.

[Legday]

@Vraxx

It took 4 hours bc two other dragons spawned...was not just Vulak.

Legday, you are missed, I enjoyed all the classic Asgard competitors.

Hey old pal. Oh the glory days.

[isiah]

Hey old pal. Oh the glory days.

Never skip Legday.

[Convict]

It's Kayso2, in general he doesn't really have a grasp of what *he's* going on about.

I've only been raiding competitively for about 3 months.

stopped reading after this

[reznor_]

Lol

[reznor_]

I forget the old guard of the server thinks they’re still somehow more important

[reznor_]

@Vraxx

It took 4 hours bc two other dragons spawned...was not just Vulak.

Oh fair enough, I hadn’t heard that part.

[Mblake81]

I forget the old guard of the server thinks they’re still somehow more important

https://i.imgur.com/5yYMkUZ.gif

[reznor_]

Lol, that’s pretty good

[DromalPhrenia]

Any non biased ppl want to give me the rundown on how things have been going in the end game? Haven't been around for probably a year but I see ppl beating their chests about having the upper hand on AM but then I spot check AM's attendance this week and see Doze and Eashen kills so it can't be as lopsided as some are making it out to be...

Lots of guilds would be psyched to get Doze and Eashen, but it's a far cry from the weeks where every top-of-the-heap mob went to AM.

It was also the first cycle after a raid ban, when you would probably expect AM out in force, rather than logging in a handful of raiders for Vulak.

Also it's RNF so you're not going to get unbiased takes very often. Its a forum for trolling and flaming, not polite discussion. Admittedly I'm not unbiased at all, but that's as close as I can get to objective about it.

[Freakish]

Any non biased ppl want to give me the rundown on how things have been going in the end game? Haven't been around for probably a year but I see ppl beating their chests about having the upper hand on AM but then I spot check AM's attendance this week and see Doze and Eashen kills so it can't be as lopsided as some are making it out to be...

Riot had two good weeks, AM got caught with foot in mouth after shit talking. Right now it's zerg vs zerg because rooted dragons take ridiculous amounts of time. Riot spent 4 hours from 4:30-8:30 killing vulak guards, random Dragon spawn, rinse repeat etc. I don't know who won that one. Riot got the dragons but who wants to spend that much time in ntov every week for vulak?

TL;DR Nerds apalled that other nerds are willing to be nerdier so they call them nerds.

[reznor_]

who wants to spend that much time in ntov every week

This, pretty much.

[kotton05]

Butchh wtf do you have left to gear

[Viscere]

I think RnF needs another thread about how Riot is happy to finally get more people online at 4am than AM

Gogogogo

[conoutoftrol]

I think RnF needs another thread about how Riot is happy to finally get more people online at 4am than AM

Gogogogo

The sun never sets on the riot empire

[Dugface]

I think RnF needs another thread about how Riot is happy to finally get more people online at 4am than AM

Gogogogo

Is this going to now drizzle into a flat earth debate or would it to interesting to know that 4am is not 4am everywhere?

[Tethler]

The sun never sets on the riot empire

Is this code for a merge with Dawn Believers?!

[Mblake81]

Right now it's zerg vs zerg because rooted dragons take ridiculous amounts of time. Riot spent 4 hours from 4:30-8:30 killing vulak guards, random Dragon spawn, rinse repeat etc.

The always should have. Chardok had to be changed on live because the AOEs were caught and addressed. Some have claimed to have seen dragons being pulled to zone in back on live but it must have been such a small thing at the time that it didn't warrant notice and change. The zone was not designed for dragons to be pulled to the entrance, why even make a zone like that. Just have all of the dragons in their own cubby and they don't assist each other.

It was borderline exploitation and Sirken let it be. It cheapened the game overall and spoiled the playerbase who became accustomed to getting all BIS for multiple characters with little time involved. EQ was a subscription based game, they would not design BIS to get attained like that.

*I never seen BIS gear back on live. Just saying.

Riot got the dragons but who wants to spend that much time in ntov every week for vulak?

We do and are. Playing the characters that we spent the time to level to 60 and attaining, if slower than before, gear that matters and is actually used.

[Mblake81]

I think RnF needs another thread about how Riot is happy to finally get more people online at 4am than AM

Gogogogo

When you were the champions for so long, room full of trophies and awards. Standing on the top of the podium with the champagne of victory and the sun smiling on you. Damn good feeling.
Have some grace, will ya. You won, your time is over now. Soon you will have your Green and Classic to be champions again. Best of luck out there.

https://i.imgur.com/UTmRBh7.jpg

[Dugface]

but who wants to spend that much time in ntov every week?

Plenty do. NToV should never have been a "pull everything to zone in and get all your loot in 1 hour". It was designed to be a full crawl from start to finish over one or even several days.
Even Coth makes it somewhat silly because you can just skip over everything and land straight at the dragon.

I bet many would enjoy a fully repopped NToV crawl. Maybe not every week (as you say, this takes time), but once a month.

Just allocate the first week of every month to a Lord BoB NToV crawl. This would be fucking excellent for the community.

[Fammaden]

PJust allocate the first week of every month to a Lord BoB NToV crawl. This would be fucking excellent for the community.

Its never been about pixels, its about denying the community NToV crawls.

[DromalPhrenia]

Is this going to now drizzle into a flat earth debate or would it to interesting to know that 4am is not 4am everywhere?

i made that argument when we were fielding high euro numbers, but it was dismissed as more AM lies, so i'm forced to conclude that Riot, like AM, populates solely the East Coast USA and thus all their morning responders are actually fat neckbeard jobless incel virgins, moms basement, chicken tendies, etc etc.

those of us in AM, on the other hand, all got jobs and real lives and significant others at the same time, and now we all kiss sexy people at the 4am shift at work at the barbecue factory, where we work as testers

[Baylan295]

i made that argument when we were fielding high euro numbers, but it was dismissed as more AM lies, so i'm forced to conclude that Riot, like AM, populates solely the East Coast USA and thus all their morning responders are actually fat neckbeard jobless incel virgins, moms basement, chicken tendies, etc etc.

those of us in AM, on the other hand, all got jobs and real lives and significant others at the same time, and now we all kiss sexy people at the 4am shift at work at the barbecue factory, where we work as testers

I would like this job. Can you help me get in?

[DromalPhrenia]

I would like this job. Can you help me get in?

Pretty sure you were mean to me on a be-mean forum about a 20 year old elf game, so actually I hate you very much, I take it very seriously when someone in a different elf guild says bad things about my elf. How dare you ask me for help? Maybe you should try merging with summer or barbecues??? Git gud.

[Legday]

I forget the old guard of the server thinks they’re still somehow more important

We are.

[feniin]

We are.

:o

[Mblake81]

<Summer Barbecue>

[k9quaint]

i made that argument when we were fielding high euro numbers, but it was dismissed as more AM lies, so i'm forced to conclude that Riot, like AM, populates solely the East Coast USA and thus all their morning responders are actually fat neckbeard jobless incel virgins, moms basement, chicken tendies, etc etc.

those of us in AM, on the other hand, all got jobs and real lives and significant others at the same time, and now we all kiss sexy people at the 4am shift at work at the barbecue factory, where we work as testers

I work at the BBQ factory and I have never seen you there!
Take your incel neckbeard loot conveyor lies somewhere else! :eek::mad::p

[Zekayy]

I'm happy for the success of Core/PS in creating Riot, out-maneuvering us in recruitment and soaking up any viable raiders in every guild. As someone who does love the competition more than loot, it sucks to lose mobs. But that's the been the MO of this server since the start, everything comes in ebbs and flows. AM has taken a beating the last few weeks, but we're not dead. I hope we can turn the tide around so it's not just a free ride for Riot the next few months that I'm playing here actively.

I've said this since Classic WoW and Green99 were announced, before Riot was a thing, and before our regulars stopped playing as much...I'm here to have fun and compete when I can until those 2 games launch. After 10 years on blue99, it's time for a change of pace and scenery. I'll still stop in once in awhile to see how things are, but I'm counting down the days. Who knows what's going to happen to the raid scene when those 2 servers launch? For any of you newer raiders (last 3-4 years), just know...whoever you think is an enemy today, you might just find yourself guilded and friendly with tomorrow. Ebbs and flows. No, you can't have my shit when I leave. :p

Wise words

[Zekayy]

fwiw I don't think there's many people that Riot is actively 'recruiting' as much as people flocking to raid with people who are fun to be around after their guilds stagnate. Aftermath was the only top guild choice for a long time and people stayed with their lower tier guild because they didn't want to play with or be associated with AM. Now that there is a new option people are taking advantage of it.

New Option lol theres always been options outside of AM

[Mblake81]

Wise words

https://i.imgur.com/SP3KZsZ.jpg

[Mblake81]

New Option lol theres always been options outside of AM

https://i.imgur.com/1XS1Itr.jpg

[DromalPhrenia]

I work at the BBQ factory and I have never seen you there!
Take your incel neckbeard loot conveyor lies somewhere else! :eek::mad::p

listen buddy, i'm sure you're real proud of your work at casual scum grill, inc. and maybe you've even macked it with some trailer park girls, but we're all with the bikini babes, testing BBQ's worth 5 figures or more. you can't even apply without having BBQed on a yacht, it's basically the ST key of BBQing

[shuklak]

I eat bbq dragon ribs for brunch.

[Arkanjil]

https://i.imgur.com/7UkSR8Q.jpg

[Nuggie]

I forget the old guard of the server thinks they’re still somehow more important

My first reaction was to lash out in anger.

Who are you to discount the elf lord princes of the past? I started in with a vigorous defense of IB and their time on top. How they made for good competition in the juvenile days of the Elfdom.

But then I thought perhaps your ire was directed at the second generation and of Elf Prince. TMO. I swept in with an essay on how every under dog deserves their day. How power corrupts the hearts of men. How dare someone hold another to account of their natural born flaws?!

Yet then I thought of the Translantic Rampage saga. Awakened? Some other Prince of the Past whose name has been lost in time?

My ire has turned to confusion.

2/10 on the direction of your comment.

6/10 on troll post.

[Mblake81]

ree meme

https://i.imgur.com/rZ4zUc0.gif

[feniin]

New Option lol theres always been options outside of AM

At the top? Core who was raid banned for their entire existence? Awakened who was raid banned into oblivion? There's never been a competitor who held equal/superior ground and people are finally deciding it's time to move with the new raid meta benefiting greater numbers and 24/7 capability.

[Littul Jonn]

At the top? Core who was raid banned for their entire existence? Awakened who was raid banned into oblivion? There's never been a competitor who held equal/superior ground and people are finally deciding it's time to move with the new raid meta benefiting greater numbers and 24/7 capability.

Azure Guard had our moment in the sun, but after we worked our asses off to get there the rooted dragon meta was introduced. We were not willing go take on the large amount of people needed to get dragons at this level at the cost of our identity. Would have been fun to have a few more months of dragon pulls with Core, AG, AM, and PS in the mix but oh well.

Quick side note, 70+ people *required* to kill stuff in ToV is too many for a dragon that only drops 1-3 items. AG would field 12 clerics and that still wouldn't be enough, just seems a bit crazy to me. Anyway, a new season is here for p99, will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

[Nuggie]

Quick side note, 70+ people *required* to kill stuff in ToV is too many for a dragon that only drops 1-3 items. AG would field 12 clerics and that still wouldn't be enough, just seems a bit crazy to me. Anyway, a new season is here for p99, will be interesting to see how it unfolds.


That's why the devs put so many dragons in NToV. So you'd spend a day oclearing the place, but you'd kill a boatload of dragons at 1-3 drops a piece. It wasn't designed for P99's crazy hyper competitive ways.

[Twochain]

Azure Guard had our moment in the sun, but after we worked our asses off to get there the rooted dragon meta was introduced. We were not willing go take on the large amount of people needed to get dragons at this level at the cost of our identity. Would have been fun to have a few more months of dragon pulls with Core, AG, AM, and PS in the mix but oh well.

Quick side note, 70+ people *required* to kill stuff in ToV is too many for a dragon that only drops 1-3 items. AG would field 12 clerics and that still wouldn't be enough, just seems a bit crazy to me. Anyway, a new season is here for p99, will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

This is what made me most confused/upset about Braknar wigging out and quitting because "Rogean/Nilbog doesn't even care". AG was JUST starting to get big targets. And... Core was getting big targets too. Tempest had been dead for about 3 weeks (Which is where 90% of raid drama stemmed from.. AM and Tempest disputes) It looked like we were all going to get along. It was shaping up to be a fun era, as 3 guild pull competition was going to be a blast. I distinctly remember AG getting a few Vulaks when you guys were going hard, and I remember Core getting one on the back of (Truly) one of the most impressive plays I've ever seen from Franswa. He died near the door at Eashen (NToV) Vulak was being pulled, and mid pull Dagarn popped and join the train. Vulak was dropped in west by I THINK AG? Who got the initial FTE? Anywho, Franswa dies, zones back in, runs through north door, loots his corpse at Eashen door (I think he only looted his idol, he was naked) Runs BACK to West, FTE'S VULAK + DAGARN, runs the train BACK north, core gets vulak tagged out, and he proceeded to run the whole entire train into the lava and gets core Vulak. It was sick.


I stated my opinion on rooted dragons the day it quaked when it was implemented, that it was a lot of fun but will probably burn people out and might not be the best thing for the scene in the long run. A few months later, I don't think p99 Red has killed a single dragon in NToV.. and p99 blue looks like it will end up being a one guild mega zerg this time next year.


Everyone wants to talk about AM dying right now... yet we have had 10+ applicants this week. We are home to some of the smartest/best players that ever played, and I have no doubt that we will reclaim our throne on the top. We talk shit in RnF, but we also give credit where it's due, and it's pretty much all in good fun. But nobody is bringing up how Rooted dragons essentially forced Core, a guild that was so determined to be one that it stayed together through a 8 year raid ban.. and Paradigm Shift, who had been a pretty good guild, mostly in the 2-4 position to merge almost immediately. A LOT of Officers/Raiders quit in the wake of rooted dragons.
Azure Guard has essentially died as a raiding guild. Most of their best/High% raiders have went to Riot/Am.
Kittens joined in the first couple weeks (Come back! Mew) but haven't seen them since.

At least before, your guild had a chance to kill a mob if you had 10 people who were very active, and 20-30 other people who will log in to a bat phone. Regardless of what guild.

With green coming out, I can't see a lot of people wanting to grind NToV for hours per encounter. It's too OP as it is now. Rooted Dragons, with high agro radius, with insta summon on FTE is a little toooooo much in my opinion. As such you don't see p99 Red raiding at all, and you can't be competitive on some dragons (as of right now ;) ) without 100+ people. Which is insane.


My suggestions are:
1. Undo rooted dragons completely (My favorite answer... give it another chance!)
2. Unroot the dragons, but make it so they can't leave north
3. Leave it as is, but bring back FTE races w/ 1 hour lockout.



I wrote this long ass post going back and forth between tabs and doing other shit, and i'm not going to re read it. So if anything sounds retarded, just know, that I AM in fact retarded.

Also that p99 is my favorite game of all time, and I deeply appreciate the work the staff does.

[reznor_]

I echo some of Twochain's sentiment.

A) Unroot them
B) Add a short range leash
C) Make it so they can't leave north
D) Unroot, and if you wipe to a dragon, you're locked out from another attempt for 24 hours

[Mblake81]

At least before, your guild had a chance to kill a mob if you had 10 people who were very active, and 20-30 other people who will log in to a bat phone. Regardless of what guild.

https://i.imgur.com/UbrYFFk.jpg

[Mblake81]

I echo some of Twochain's sentiment.

A) Unroot them
B) Add a short range leash
C) Make it so they can't leave north
D) Unroot, and if you wipe to a dragon, you're locked out from another attempt for 24 hours

Of course you echo him.

Don't let the Freeport gate slam on your bottoms.

[Baylan295]

At least before, your guild had a chance to kill a mob if you had 10 people who were very active, and 20-30 other people who will log in to a bat phone. Regardless of what guild.


Maybe you got the mob, but it really wasn't fun for me. Sitting around for hours to log in for 5-10 minutes for the dragon kill... just wasn't fun to me. Here, the content is challenging even with huge numbers, and it is just as competitive for most of the mobs. The weekly CHARGE into Dagarn lair and decision making process behind pulling the trigger for an FTE is cool.

[Mblake81]

Those puller guys only think of the fun they had.

[booter]

Unrooting them is not classic. This is a classic EverQuest emulation server.

[reznor_]

Don't let the Freeport gate slam on your bottoms.

Oh I'm not going anywhere, sweetheart.

[Mblake81]

Oh I'm not going anywhere, sweetheart.

Bite me.

[rezzie]

Unrooting them is not classic.

wut

[Hyjalx]

C) Make it so they can't leave north.

Been saying this for 2 years now, but larger numbers will still be required. 4-way and zone in should remain as safe as possible.


Temple of Veeshan was never meant to be a loot pinata. Many of us played during Velious on live (Club fu, Bristlebane), and cleared for our dragon loot. We still COTH'd into North for deeper targets. The only targets that were pulled to zone during that era were Ikatar and Eashan. Instant pulling all the best targets in the game to zone in for a 5 minute kill was not intended (PC's at the time couldn't even handle it) and is an obvious abuse of the game mechanic.

IMO, permitting the dragons to be pulled to the zone in to begin with created this sentiment...

The downfall is the timing. Entire guilds were designed for years around certain rules. Whether this affects the server population as a whole on blue (even slightly) will be based around that fact. Though, with Green and WoW Classic around the corner, it was happening regardless.


Changes needed to be tested. This was always intended to be a glorified beta. The raid scene has changed many,many times as the staff has worked to find ways to improve it. I applaud Rogean, Nilbog and the staff for continuing to attempt to work to make this server as classic as possible.

If I had a choice, I'd unroot the dragons, force guilds to fight them in the wing in which they spawn, and fix the Vulak mechanic (all dragons running to his aide). But just like every other rule-change this server has ever had, I'm sure It would fall apart and get abused just like everything else.

[Mblake81]

wut

Because it allows the Lords of P99 to shit up the game. Consider no GM has made a firm point to raid ban anyone trying to zone pull if they did unroot them.

Fuck agreements, let Rogean dick smack us all in the face because a few cunts wanna min/max the dragons.

Fairly simple.

[Mblake81]

But just like every other rule-change this server has ever had, I'm sure It would fall apart and get abused just like everything else.

Then why are you evening bothering to type this. Bend over, squirt the anal ease and spread it.

[Mblake81]

The fact these bitches are crying is a testament to good server leadership and something that works. It fucks us all and its left several of us with a smile on our face.

[Littul Jonn]

Roegan and Nilbog have always been very competition friendly, unfortuantely I think the only way to "compete" in this new meta is to bring a bigger zerg. Sure there's some skill involved, but there won't be much competition with the way the population is on blue99. Green launching and Classic WoW launch may do something to shift the balance again, will be interesting to see.

[Hyjalx]

Because personally, I agree changes had to be made Mblake. And also, the staff is always looking to improve things. They actually read these forums.

After reading your dribble, I am pretty confident they just scroll over anything you have to say.

[Heebs13]

Maybe you got the mob, but it really wasn't fun for me. Sitting around for hours to log in for 5-10 minutes for the dragon kill... just wasn't fun to me. Here, the content is challenging even with huge numbers, and it is just as competitive for most of the mobs. The weekly CHARGE into Dagarn lair and decision making process behind pulling the trigger for an FTE is cool.

I agree with Baylan. I'd rather spend 2 hours playing everquest then log in for 5 minutes at a time to turn on autoattack and then log off, regardless of who gets the loot. I don't play Everquest to NOT play Everquest.

[Heebs13]

I agree with Baylan. I'd rather spend 2 hours playing everquest then log in for 5 minutes at a time to turn on autoattack and then log off, regardless of who gets the loot. I don't play Everquest to NOT play Everquest.

*than

[enjchanter]

I need my vulak robe goddammit

[Kerfuffle42]

Many of us played during Velious on live (Club fu, Bristlebane)

yes and yes

[smitho1984]

Lords of P99


Who are the ^^^

[Convict]

I agree with Baylan. I'd rather spend 2 hours playing everquest then log in for 5 minutes at a time to turn on autoattack and then log off, regardless of who gets the loot. I don't play Everquest to NOT play Everquest.

I'd like to think most people do agree as well. At least from what I've seen most people have welcomed the new change save a few even if it hasn't necessarily translated to more kills but it's been more fun trying especially for the small group of hardcore players that used to do all the socking and tracking for each spawn and usually get nothing for it except DKP they cant ever spend. At least now if people spend 3 hours clearing to Koi and not even getting it they had fun raiding together instead of the same small handful of people wasting their time every cycle.

It's a different case for most of the people I've seen posting from aftermath who have pretty much complained about the new rooted dragons since the change and the reason is because even though the new meta is more fun and challenging for more people involved, the old meta was working better for them and their preferred play style, which was loot conveyor and bragging rights (and denying pixels to other guilds).
The new meta also severely restricts ability to monopolize 90+% of the content. That just isn't working out for the warmbodies that joined AM to only log in and play 5 hours a week and still get pixels without having to do much actual work because they already had a dedicated core of hardcore sockers, FTE'ers and pullers. Basically its 10x more work for 1/2 as many pixels as they are used to getting.

This may sound like ragging on AM, which I do a lot, but in this case I can't even really fault them for it because it probably would happen to any guild in their position.

[Twochain]

Unrooting them is not classic. This is a classic EverQuest emulation server.

Wtf are you talking about? Dragons weren't rooted in ToV until Luclin?


I'd like to think most people do agree as well. At least from what I've seen most people have welcomed the new change save a few even if it hasn't necessarily translated to more kills but it's been more fun trying especially for the small group of hardcore players that used to do all the socking and tracking for each spawn and usually get nothing for it except DKP they cant ever spend. At least now if people spend 3 hours clearing to Koi and not even getting it they had fun raiding together instead of the same small handful of people wasting their time every cycle.

It's a different case for most of the people I've seen posting from aftermath who have pretty much complained about the new rooted dragons since the change and the reason is because even though the new meta is more fun and challenging for more people involved, the old meta was working better for them and their preferred play style, which was loot conveyor and bragging rights (and denying pixels to other guilds).
The new meta also severely restricts ability to monopolize 90+% of the content. That just isn't working out for the warmbodies that joined AM to only log in and play 5 hours a week and still get pixels without having to do much actual work because they already had a dedicated core of hardcore sockers, FTE'ers and pullers. Basically its 10x more work for 1/2 as many pixels as they are used to getting.

This may sound like ragging on AM, which I do a lot, but in this case I can't even really fault them for it because it probably would happen to any guild in their position.


I hate that I can't have an opinion just because my guild is killing less dragons. It's not about the dragons. My RA% dove from 40% to 11% before we even started losing weeks.

The new meta does not restrict the ability to monopolize content. If our guild isn't competing with Riot... who exactly is? There was 0 competition for this weeks Vulak. And it still took hours upon hours. And who is killing all of VP every week? It's not us?

Also, all those players who did "all the tracking and never got anything for it"... Anyone who was a hard core raider is now in one of two guilds. You can't even sniff ToV unless you are in AM or Riot, or if you bring enough toons that riot or aftermath will let you raid with them. You shouldn't need 2 hours from 120 people to kill one mob in NToV, ESPECIALLY considering all the best in slot gear people are wearing.

Also, who's this mblake guy? Dudes unstable AF.


And you guys have been completely glossing over the fact that raiding in P99 Red is Completely impossible now.

[Twochain]

When was the last time there was a 0 competition Vulak???? ESPECIALLY with no guilds suspended?

[Hotel]

if you think the situation is better now - than it was with ag,core, and am w/ unrooted dragons, you're never going to see eye to eye with a certain % of the population

Those puller guys only think of the fun they had.

sorry you suck at the game bro

[dovi1212]

Here is why rooted dragons are bad. A crawl to a mob can take anywhere from 1 to 9 hours. Yes we have had a 9 hour crawl...
I want to play the game, I enjoy it, but between RL job and my need to sleep my ability and I bet countless others has fallen on pure RNG of spawn time.

Did I like pulling to entrance?
I thought it was cheesy but a mechanic I had to accept as a lesser evil as it let me actually do other things.
I enjoyed the first 2 weeks of rooted ToV, but now it has become a drag, despite what some might say it ia not difficult and the clear has been made easy by guild sizes.

The new meta is the big guild clears and the smaller numbers will try to leapfrog, its dumb it has become a waste of time and it's unsatisfying, if you say otherwise you're a liar.

If you like it because you're winning now, then admit to that truth.
Love you all. Enjoy the game. Hopefully a better solution is reached.

[k9quaint]

Here is why rooted dragons are bad. A crawl to a mob can take anywhere from 1 to 9 hours. Yes we have had a 9 hour crawl...
I want to play the game, I enjoy it, but between RL job and my need to sleep my ability and I bet countless others has fallen on pure RNG of spawn time.

Did I like pulling to entrance?
I thought it was cheesy but a mechanic I had to accept as a lesser evil as it let me actually do other things.
I enjoyed the first 2 weeks of rooted ToV, but now it has become a drag, despite what some might say it ia not difficult and the clear has been made easy by guild sizes.

The new meta is the big guild clears and the smaller numbers will try to leapfrog, its dumb it has become a waste of time and it's unsatisfying, if you say otherwise you're a liar.

If you like it because you're winning now, then admit to that truth.
Love you all. Enjoy the game. Hopefully a better solution is reached.

We are not winning, but I like rooted dragons. Maybe after a few months of crawling, new meta will be invented and a new guild will rise over Riot. :)

[Nuggie]

... do server rules disallow CoTH'ing to PoM ent and starting clear from there? I forget the particulars plus I'm in the dark of changes of the last couple years.

[Heebs13]

... do server rules disallow CoTH'ing to PoM ent and starting clear from there? I forget the particulars plus I'm in the dark of changes of the last couple years.

You can coth to where ever you want.

[Heebs13]

Also Twochain you are correct that ToV bosses were not rooted until Luclin, however:

1. There are a lot of things on this server that are 'not classic'
2. It took people on live until around the time of Luclin release to learn how to abuse pulling mobs to ToV ent. As soon as that started happening, the game devs rooted the mobs. Here on p99, people have spent the last 3-4 years pulling bosses to entrance. If this was live, that never would have been allowed to go on for as long as it did - the devs made the change when the problem surfaced, it just happened to surface right after Luclin released.

[jpetrick]

Unroot the mobs for a week so I can come back and slap everyone for a cycle

[mycoolrausch]

Here is why rooted dragons are bad. A crawl to a mob can take anywhere from 1 to 9 hours. Yes we have had a 9 hour crawl...
I want to play the game, I enjoy it, but between RL job and my need to sleep my ability and I bet countless others has fallen on pure RNG of spawn time.

Did I like pulling to entrance?
I thought it was cheesy but a mechanic I had to accept as a lesser evil as it let me actually do other things.
I enjoyed the first 2 weeks of rooted ToV, but now it has become a drag, despite what some might say it ia not difficult and the clear has been made easy by guild sizes.

The new meta is the big guild clears and the smaller numbers will try to leapfrog, its dumb it has become a waste of time and it's unsatisfying, if you say otherwise you're a liar.

If you like it because you're winning now, then admit to that truth.
Love you all. Enjoy the game. Hopefully a better solution is reached.

Burning people out is a good thing. Someone who dreads another 200 hours of ntov crawling and cancels gearing their 5th alt to go play pubg just freed up loot for a new player.

[Twochain]

Burning people out is a good thing. Someone who dreads another 200 hours of ntov crawling and cancels gearing their 5th alt to go play pubg just freed up loot for a new player.

Wtf are you talking about? Lmfao. Burning people out is a good thing...? We have people on this server who have raided for a decade. Which, those people act as raid leaders and play makers for guilds.

Pulling to zone might have been cheesy, but it was classic, and cheesing raid encounters is the key to any great guild in any mmo. Go watch the wow dungeon tournaments. It’s all cheese. When they rooted the dragons, it was with luclin gear and spells. And, I’d imagine whatever guild was killing tov in luclin pretty much had the place for themselves. It’s also not more fun. It’s grindy as heck, and really limits play making ability for now.

[Twochain]

Also Twochain you are correct that ToV bosses were not rooted until Luclin, however:

1. There are a lot of things on this server that are 'not classic'
2. It took people on live until around the time of Luclin release to learn how to abuse pulling mobs to ToV ent. As soon as that started happening, the game devs rooted the mobs. Here on p99, people have spent the last 3-4 years pulling bosses to entrance. If this was live, that never would have been allowed to go on for as long as it did - the devs made the change when the problem surfaced, it just happened to surface right after Luclin released.

Pulling a dragon to the zone in was the most thrilling thing I’ve done in any mmo I’ve ever played.

Pulling an entire zone to the entrance and aoeing it down was insane to me. There were so many mobs it was sick.

Clearing trash mobs for an hour and a half, then having to leave the zone because another dragon spawned, then killing another hour and a half of trash mobs to kill the recently spawned dragons, then coth back to the other dragon, clear another hour of trash mobs, is not fun. It’s annoying.

[aaezil]

Bunch of babies crying that they have to work for pixels now?

This is everquest there shouldnt be the free handout pixels you guys want.

[Heebs13]

Pulling a dragon to the zone in was the most thrilling thing I’ve done in any mmo I’ve ever played.

Pulling an entire zone to the entrance and aoeing it down was insane to me. There were so many mobs it was sick.

Clearing trash mobs for an hour and a half, then having to leave the zone because another dragon spawned, then killing another hour and a half of trash mobs to kill the recently spawned dragons, then coth back to the other dragon, clear another hour of trash mobs, is not fun. It’s annoying.

I imagine pulling to zone was a lot of fun for pullers. For everyone else it was sit and wait.

[saftbudet]

I love new meta, feels much more classic then a few players pulls all pixels to zone in, where a zerg just log in when the discord app gives a notification for a kill.

[Muggens]

Lol at monks. HIGH estrogen players and daddy's girls.

[Nuggie]

I imagine pulling to zone was a lot of fun for pullers. For everyone else it was sit and wait.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread or another yet, but....

I think rooting dragons provides for a lower bar of entry for the NToV raid scene. No longer does your pull team need to have an intricate knowledge of mechanics (to know how to exploit them) of the game to be able to compete.

It seems like perhaps P99 is going through the same transformation that the players of Lanys went through when we got merged with 7TH hammer.

As a back story, Lanys was very similar to P99 where there was always 1 top guild gobbling up the vast majority of the raid content. They similarly "got off" on denying the rest of the server pixels.

When the merger happened the Lanys alpha guild was thrust into a "bigger pond" where the raid guilds were starving for players. The "casual scum" of Lanys happily filled the ranks of the hungry guilds from 7th. Casual scum got to join big guilds and raid. The Lanys alpha guild was denied the pixel-denial release of endorphins and disbursed to other games or other of life's entertainments. Hinting at least partially to why they enjoyed the game.

I am probably guilty of drawing imperfect parallels, but it's not too disimmilar to not be worthwhile. Overall I think this change will bring the server closer to the intended classic feel.

[mycoolrausch]

Wtf are you talking about? Lmfao. Burning people out is a good thing...? We have people on this server who have raided for a decade. Which, those people act as raid leaders and play makers for guilds.

Pulling to zone might have been cheesy, but it was classic, and cheesing raid encounters is the key to any great guild in any mmo. Go watch the wow dungeon tournaments. It’s all cheese. When they rooted the dragons, it was with luclin gear and spells. And, I’d imagine whatever guild was killing tov in luclin pretty much had the place for themselves. It’s also not more fun. It’s grindy as heck, and really limits play making ability for now.

none of this applied for the 70 people that logged in their parked toon for 10 min when the batphone goes off, ie the vast majority of the raiding playerbase. That's so easy and mindless they could gear 5-6 chars without getting burned out. Now having to take part in hour+ long clears every time might burn some of them out and cycle through more raiders.

[Baylan295]

Wtf are you talking about? Lmfao. Burning people out is a good thing...? We have people on this server who have raided for a decade. Which, those people act as raid leaders and play makers for guilds.

Pulling to zone might have been cheesy, but it was classic, and cheesing raid encounters is the key to any great guild in any mmo. Go watch the wow dungeon tournaments. It’s all cheese. When they rooted the dragons, it was with luclin gear and spells. And, I’d imagine whatever guild was killing tov in luclin pretty much had the place for themselves. It’s also not more fun. It’s grindy as heck, and really limits play making ability for now.

There is different playmaking now. Tank playmaking on trash mobs and flurries. Splitting chains and dealing with multiple mobs. Memblurs and holding mobs to secure a kill. Kiting flurries that will instantly wreck everyone. Snap agro knights and speedbumps to stabilize. Pretty much every cycle I see or make a play that makes me go “wow” and it’s not just the pullers anymore.

Monks don’t own the endgame anymore. Sorry that’s less fun for the monks. The rest of us are having more fun.

[Mblake81]

Lmfao

https://i.imgur.com/pJoJB6s.gif

is not fun. It’s annoying.

https://i.imgur.com/TN5uiJR.gif

[reznor_]

I just think that we need to remember, this new meta will get tiresome for everyone, not just one guild, as y’all are so quick to point out. It is fun, as a cleric, I actually do more than press a couple buttons here and there. And there’s a greater sense of gratification when we do kill a mob and I see people win loot. But it will eventually become tedious, for many.

[Fifield]

Like or it or not it definitely feels like EQ more then this weird mini game of 5-10 people from each guild trying to outsock or outcoth eachother week in and week out.

Regardless if it has a positive impact or negative impact on whichever guild, i think it was the right move. I've played the tank, healing role, guards add buffer, FTE'r, you name it, all of them feel rewarding but out of all of them cleric is by far the funnest in ToV now. Very attentive role from just a CH chain at entrance and your hp/resist gear actually do something now.

[whyyoukickmydog]

I agree that pulling to zone was a bit cheesy and think the original design was to crawl ToV. However, this new meta has only created a larger barrier of entry. Now, the rewards simply go to the biggest zerg, because you won't need to wait for as many guards to die.

It's only a matter of time before everyone starts labeling Riot the villain and accusing all of them of denying the pixels. Then we will have come full circle, but I question whether Riot will have the self-awareness to recognize their own hypocrisy.

[DromalPhrenia]

much harder to raid at the BBQ now, rooted dragons sux0r

[Mblake81]

I just think that we need to remember, this new meta will get tiresome for everyone, not just one guild, as y’all are so quick to point out. It is fun, as a cleric, I actually do more than press a couple buttons here and there. And there’s a greater sense of gratification when we do kill a mob and I see people win loot. But it will eventually become tedious, for many.

DOOM SPEAK

[Mblake81]

Like or it or not it definitely feels like EQ more then this weird mini game of 5-10 people from each guild trying to outsock or outcoth eachother week in and week out.

Regardless if it has a positive impact or negative impact on whichever guild, i think it was the right move. I've played the tank, healing role, guards add buffer, FTE'r, you name it, all of them feel rewarding but out of all of them cleric is by far the funnest in ToV now. Very attentive role from just a CH chain at entrance and your hp/resist gear actually do something now.

Yes, I agree and so do many others.

[Mblake81]

I agree that pulling to zone was a bit cheesy and think the original design was to crawl ToV. However, this new meta has only created a larger barrier of entry. Now, the rewards simply go to the biggest zerg, because you won't need to wait for as many guards to die.

It's only a matter of time before everyone starts labeling Riot the villain and accusing all of them of denying the pixels. Then we will have come full circle, but I question whether Riot will have the self-awareness to recognize their own hypocrisy.

https://i.imgur.com/0mI2exV.gif

[Twochain]

There is different playmaking now. Tank playmaking on trash mobs and flurries. Splitting chains and dealing with multiple mobs. Memblurs and holding mobs to secure a kill. Kiting flurries that will instantly wreck everyone. Snap agro knights and speedbumps to stabilize. Pretty much every cycle I see or make a play that makes me go “wow” and it’s not just the pullers anymore.

Monks don’t own the endgame anymore. Sorry that’s less fun for the monks. The rest of us are having more fun.

PSH, mages owned the endgame at the end. My monk is much more useful in today's meta than in the old ones. Abashi is no joke.

But i mean, 95% of the current ToV scene is tank and spank. Oh there's an add? ..Get a tank on it and roll heals. Knights can only tank HoT mobs. Not flurries.

One of our better pullers for a while there was a Shaman. You made a choice whether or not you wanted to be a warm body at the entrance, or actually do something. We've had druids pull koi, We've had clerics pull mobs, Chexi the infamous paladin pulled plenty. In fact, I can't think many classes that couldn't pull mobs in the old era. The Min/max version to do so was probably Mage,Necro,Bard in that order.

I doubt the Azure Guard core who worked for MONTHS and months to get a ToV squad going, finally had the ball rolling, to lose it all is having more fun. Like I said they are a casual guild now.

I'm not saying that crawling isn't fun. The first night the dragons were rooted was one of the most fun nights i've had on p99. (It was also my birthday!) But it's so tedious. It's like.... ToV is Plane of Growth now. I had fun on my first plane of growth raid too.

Clerics have more to do, and have to be on their toes now. I'll definitely say that. But I mean... leveling a cleric is nothing but staring at a wall and healing your tank. Every camp king group on a cleric? you don't move an inch. Or any dungeon? Unrest? Most camps require a cleric to just sit in one place and heal people.

[Kayso2]

It's only a matter of time before everyone starts labeling Riot the villain and accusing all of them of denying the pixels. Then we will have come full circle, but I question whether Riot will have the self-awareness to recognize their own hypocrisy.

The only thing we have in common with AM is numbers. And we have those numbers precisely because we aren't AM. We're good sports. Our officers treat members with respect. Our guild culture is just better.

AM members keep trying to equate things that are not equal. When you shit on the floor for years and someone finally comes and rubs your nose in it, it's not the same. There's no hypocrisy to recognize.

[Hideousclaw]

I doubt the Azure Guard core who worked for MONTHS and months to get a ToV squad going, finally had the ball rolling, to lose it all is having more fun. Like I said they are a casual guild now.

We were always more casual leaning guild. We just worked hard to get to ToV, Tempest dissolved at a time opportune for us as well. We received an influx of people who were happy to go hard in the paint for the mobs. We had success and then the meta changed. Meta now favors more serious raiding guilds. I don’t think Azure Guard leadership ever touted we were not casual, just us winning mobs gave the implication.

Also, new meta ain’t as fun imo. I do like the idea of more class value thru ToV now. But I don’t like the leapfrogging because it’s a tactic that can’t be really accomplished by low numbers with reliability. But the meta is the meta and we have to make due with it.

[Fifield]

Our guild culture is just better.

I get what your trying to say but im still going to argue that! Each person is going to think their guild is the best culture.

[phatogre]

Clerics have more to do, and have to be on their toes now. I'll definitely say that. But I mean... leveling a cleric is nothing but staring at a wall and healing your tank. Every camp king group on a cleric? you don't move an inch. Or any dungeon? Unrest? Most camps require a cleric to just sit in one place and heal people.

Only lame clerics play in full groups. Duoing (particularly leveling) cleric/enchanter is nonstop attention, movement, clutch saves, and crappy Cars :)

[whyyoukickmydog]

The only thing we have in common with AM is numbers. And we have those numbers precisely because we aren't AM. We're good sports. Our officers treat members with respect. Our guild culture is just better.

AM members keep trying to equate things that are not equal. When you shit on the floor for years and someone finally comes and rubs your nose in it, it's not the same. There's no hypocrisy to recognize.

Yea, keep telling yourself that, but objective evidence paints a much different picture. AM is a large guild full of humans that are flawed. Some of them can be clowns, some of them are nerds, some are great people, and some are plain cuckoo. Most people fall on a spectrum, where they are decent people most of the time or some of the time. However, even decent people can have moments of weakness or become toxic when emotions get the best of them. We are human after all and we make mistakes no matter how much you may think your shit don't stink.

If AM was as horrible a place as you claim, and the guild culture so toxic, then AM would have died a long time ago. Yet, here it stands. And it has stood much longer than your guild, so objective evidence is simply not on your side.

[Twochain]

The only thing we have in common with AM is numbers. And we have those numbers precisely because we aren't AM. We're good sports. Our officers treat members with respect. Our guild culture is just better.

AM members keep trying to equate things that are not equal. When you shit on the floor for years and someone finally comes and rubs your nose in it, it's not the same. There's no hypocrisy to recognize.

Your guild culture is two months old.

Our officers don't treat members with respect? mmk

Show us on the doll where AM touched you

[Mblake81]

But it's so tedious. It's like....

So what do you wan't, Twochain?

[Twochain]

So what do you wan't, Twochain?

I want you to take a Xanax, because you obviously need to come down of the meth bender you're on.

[Mblake81]

I want you to take a Xanax, because you obviously need to come down of the meth bender you're on.

Eat shit, you sum bitch

[Zekayy]

At the top? Core who was raid banned for their entire existence? Awakened who was raid banned into oblivion? There's never been a competitor who held equal/superior ground and people are finally deciding it's time to move with the new raid meta benefiting greater numbers and 24/7 capability.

Yes theres AG at one point was getting numbers and was a huge threat in sleepers and other tov stuff maybe do a bit of research bro

[reznor_]

DOOM SPEAK

Get at me when you miraculously become relevant

[Mblake81]

Get at me when you miraculously become relevant

Fuck you as well.

[reznor_]

Fuck you as well.

There’s the charm

[Mblake81]

There’s the charm

sniveling cunt.

[whyyoukickmydog]

Eat shit, you sum bitch

Cut that F5 key some slack, Blake. You don't have to reply to every post.

[matticas]

So what do you wan't, Twochain?

I think this is a reasonable question. Deconstructing is pretty easy. Would be interested to hear what people would construct in place of current setup.

[Mblake81]

Cut that F5 key some slack, Blake. You don't have to reply to every post.

Mind your own business.

[Mblake81]

I think this is a reasonable question. Deconstructing is pretty easy. Would be interested to hear what people would construct in place of current setup.

Hello, Shaolen. Nice to see you again.

[isiah]

Our officers don't treat members with respect? mmk

Show us on the doll where AM touched you

Hey man,

I think this is your guild leader after losing 1 mob (Lady Nev) in TOV about a month ago:
https://i.imgur.com/x8fCWwH.jpg

I also saw some footage of Aftermath's Eashen of the Sky raid this week which was lead by Conda I think? He had some very colorful language to spread around voice comms, including threatening to guild remove people if they 'didn't fucking listen' or ' didn't fucking move.' Oh, I think he called everyone 'fucking children', which was oddly ironic considering the rant he was on. I heard your name in the clip, so you know what I'm talking about, homie.

He's an officer right?

Both of those guys seemed very respectful to their member base. Very cool, normal, and respectful leadership.

Yikes.

[Mblake81]

I like the current setup because no one can manipulate it. We are all fucked by it which I appreciate. What are your thoughts?

[Zekayy]

PSH, mages owned the endgame at the end. My monk is much more useful in today's meta than in the old ones. Abashi is no joke.

But i mean, 95% of the current ToV scene is tank and spank. Oh there's an add? ..Get a tank on it and roll heals. Knights can only tank HoT mobs. Not flurries.

One of our better pullers for a while there was a Shaman. You made a choice whether or not you wanted to be a warm body at the entrance, or actually do something. We've had druids pull koi, We've had clerics pull mobs, Chexi the infamous paladin pulled plenty. In fact, I can't think many classes that couldn't pull mobs in the old era. The Min/max version to do so was probably Mage,Necro,Bard in that order.

I doubt the Azure Guard core who worked for MONTHS and months to get a ToV squad going, finally had the ball rolling, to lose it all is having more fun. Like I said they are a casual guild now.

I'm not saying that crawling isn't fun. The first night the dragons were rooted was one of the most fun nights i've had on p99. (It was also my birthday!) But it's so tedious. It's like.... ToV is Plane of Growth now. I had fun on my first plane of growth raid too.

Clerics have more to do, and have to be on their toes now. I'll definitely say that. But I mean... leveling a cleric is nothing but staring at a wall and healing your tank. Every camp king group on a cleric? you don't move an inch. Or any dungeon? Unrest? Most camps require a cleric to just sit in one place and heal people.

Actually your wrong my fellow guildies Knights/SKs can tank TOV dragons the slowable ones ive seen it done hell I was there slowing the dragon when pint tanked it they can do more than just tank a couple of adds but guilds dont like to use knights like that outside of giving divine strength wooptiy fucking do 200 hp more for everyone cool but lets make knights great again and have every guild knight tank the slowable ones

[Zekayy]

Yea, keep telling yourself that, but objective evidence paints a much different picture. AM is a large guild full of humans that are flawed. Some of them can be clowns, some of them are nerds, some are great people, and some are plain cuckoo. Most people fall on a spectrum, where they are decent people most of the time or some of the time. However, even decent people can have moments of weakness or become toxic when emotions get the best of them. We are human after all and we make mistakes no matter how much you may think your shit don't stink.

If AM was as horrible a place as you claim, and the guild culture so toxic, then AM would have died a long time ago. Yet, here it stands. And it has stood much longer than your guild, so objective evidence is simply not on your side.

Pretty much all of this I joined the guild 5 or so years ago when it was forsaken(most of you kids have no idea what these days are) I was in the blackheart pirates at that time I was thinking like everyone else oh this shit sucks they suck they dont care about anyone etc but once you join the guild its not so bad sure there are a couple of bad apples but every guild has those

[Erati]

AM is a large guild full of humans that are flawed.

This one sentence summed up your reply.

Humans play Everquest, thx4shaere :)

[Wonkie]

This one sentence summed up your reply.

Humans play Everquest, thx4shaere :)

Virtually, everyone on Norrath is an extraterrestrial

[Viscere]

Isiah (Fingerz) commenting in here is fun

guy went apeshit and started insulting everyone, including the server staff which got his guild's suspension extended

yikes

[Viscere]

Very cool, normal, and respectful.


Click here for top keks (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2303433&postcount=2)

So before you wanna talk about respect, just make sure you didn't insult most of your ex guild mates or addressed them constantly in a condescending manner

in other words, suck a french dong

[Endonde]

Isiah (Fingerz) commenting in here is fun

guy went apeshit and started insulting everyone, including the server staff which got his guild's suspension extended

yikes

Yea that's not a good look, I think the only thing that would make it worse was if he threatened to break Rogean's face into 50,000 pieces.

[Rang]

https://i.imgur.com/x8fCWwH.jpg
Very cool, normal, and respectful leadership.


https://i.imgur.com/WvvjKoC.png

https://i.imgur.com/wjO5BtZ.jpg

[whyyoukickmydog]

Hey man,

I think this is your guild leader after losing 1 mob (Lady Nev) in TOV about a month ago:
https://i.imgur.com/x8fCWwH.jpg

I also saw some footage of Aftermath's Eashen of the Sky raid this week which was lead by Conda I think? He had some very colorful language to spread around voice comms, including threatening to guild remove people if they 'didn't fucking listen' or ' didn't fucking move.' Oh, I think he called everyone 'fucking children', which was oddly ironic considering the rant he was on. I heard your name in the clip, so you know what I'm talking about, homie.

He's an officer right?

Both of those guys seemed very respectful to their member base. Very cool, normal, and respectful leadership.

Yikes.

BTW, you already got dunked, but let me address this horse shit you are spewing, which completely lacks context.

When we were moving up to Eashen, the entire AM raid was camped out at a door. Some simple minded child decided it would be trolllolol to keep opening said door for no reason other than the lolz. Needless to say, they were told to knock it off. They did not, in fact, it encouraged them.

Not only were the officers getting pissed off, but pretty much every single member of AM was getting pissed off at this clown. That person was threatened with guild removal which is entirely appropriate. Everybody in this guild knows who they were referring to with those comments, and everything they said reflected how we all felt towards this door opening moron.

I know the truth isn't as sexy to you as "AM TOXIC REEEE" but I'm confident it will not stop you from telling silly stories.

[Twochain]

Hey man,

I think this is your guild leader after losing 1 mob (Lady Nev) in TOV about a month ago:
https://i.imgur.com/x8fCWwH.jpg

I also saw some footage of Aftermath's Eashen of the Sky raid this week which was lead by Conda I think? He had some very colorful language to spread around voice comms, including threatening to guild remove people if they 'didn't fucking listen' or ' didn't fucking move.' Oh, I think he called everyone 'fucking children', which was oddly ironic considering the rant he was on. I heard your name in the clip, so you know what I'm talking about, homie.

He's an officer right?

Both of those guys seemed very respectful to their member base. Very cool, normal, and respectful leadership.

Yikes.

Dawg,

First of all, if you're offended by BATPHONE THE FUCKING MOBS WHEN THEY SPAWN... than idk. Maybe i'm conditioned to cursing because i'm from NJ? That doesn't seem toxic at all to me. Something I would say myself, and not actually be furious about it.

Second of all, somebody kept opening and closing the door rapidly despite multiple requests to stop, which was actually kind of fucking up our engage. Thus, officers getting fed up with the childishness. (This was going on for like 10 minutes) I'm guessing the same person doing this was the person who shared their fraps with you? Homie?

[Nuggie]

Click here for top keks (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2303433&postcount=2)

So before you wanna talk about respect, just make sure you didn't insult most of your ex guild mates or addressed them constantly in a condescending manner

in other words, suck a french dong

Very much appreciated that suspension extension he earned. I enjoyed the welfare pixels.

[Kayso2]

Well, Fingerz was once rude to Rogean so he's obviously wrong about AM's guild culture. Because those two points are related somehow...

I've been here for weeks telling AM how to fix what ails them. Instead of a thank you, the responses have ranged from whataboutism and false equivalencies to ridiculously premature extended holiday celebrations and 7:15 a.m. photos of steaks.

You're getting 10+ applicants per week. We're getting that in a day. So I guess those people are all wrong too?

[Baylan295]

I just think that we need to remember, this new meta will get tiresome for everyone, not just one guild, as y’all are so quick to point out. It is fun, as a cleric, I actually do more than press a couple buttons here and there. And there’s a greater sense of gratification when we do kill a mob and I see people win loot. But it will eventually become tedious, for many.

More tedious than staring at walls for hours? Kael and Thurg B remains the worst parts of the game because they require twitchy responses over 16 hour windows.

Ironically, though, after making agreements to remove COTH racing from Kael, AM changed the meta to require one for Zlandi - and eliminated a fun encounter and engage into Yet Another Zone Line Pull.

[rezzie]

More tedious than staring at walls for hours? Kael and Thurg B remains the worst parts of the game because they require twitchy responses over 16 hour windows.

Crawls allow 100+ people to experience tedium, instead of just limiting it to the 5-10 man masochists pull team.

Ironically, though, after making agreements to remove COTH racing from Kael, AM changed the meta to require one for Zlandi - and eliminated a fun encounter and engage into Yet Another Zone Line Pull.

We offered to run down instead of COTHing but you didn't respond to it.

[Baylan295]

We offered to run down instead of COTHing but you didn't respond to it.

Unwilling to keep the encounter in the lair though. And you haven’t said much of anything since Riptoes.

[rezzie]

Unicity liked to point out how there are zero Riot folks shit talking because they were above it, it was cringe/disappointing/he didn't like it, and asked me to PM him examples of it happening so he could speak to the Riot folks involved.

What is it, you want the banter or you want the silence? :confused:

[Kayso2]

Unicity liked to point out how there are zero Riot folks shit talking because they were above it, it was cringe/disappointing/he didn't like it, and asked me to PM him examples of it happening so he could speak to the Riot folks involved.

AM members keep trying to equate things that are not equal. When you shit on the floor for years and someone finally comes and rubs your nose in it, it's not the same.

[rezzie]

It's not hypocritical when I post in RnF because I'm not AM.

[Kayso2]

Critical thinking is not my strong suit.

[Endonde]

Unicity liked to point out how there are zero Riot folks shit talking because they were above it, it was cringe/disappointing/he didn't like it, and asked me to PM him examples of it happening so he could speak to the Riot folks involved.

What is it, you want the banter or you want the silence? :confused:

Wasn't Unicity talking about AM talking shit in OOC after they beat Riot to a dragon?

Talking shit in the game, and talking shit in RnF are completely different, you chose to come to RnF and see the shit talk, so if it hurts your delicate feelings, maybe don't browse RnF?

[rezzie]

Where have I complained about seeing rants and flames and shit talk in RnF (or in game?).

My response to Unicity was that it was harmless and it happens on all sides.

Nobody let him know some people wearing a Riot tag are doing it, I worry he'll be disappointed.

[Endonde]

Where have I complained about seeing rants and flames and shit talk in RnF (or in game?).

My response to Unicity was that it was harmless and it happens on all sides.

Nobody let him know some people wearing a Riot tag are doing it, I worry he'll be disappointed.

I mean if they are doing it prove it.

Otherwise I can only believe that you are a delicate flower, who can't handle the pressures of this forum, and attempts to lash out in any way you can to assaults on your clear moral superiority.

[Arkanjil]

I mean if they are doing it prove it.

Otherwise I can only believe that you are a delicate flower, who can't handle the pressures of this forum, and attempts to lash out in any way you can to assaults on your clear moral superiority.

Good thing you’re Mr. Irrelevant.

[rezzie]

Two weeks on top and Riot are accepting people calling their guildies fags (despite calling out Aftermath for doing the same), bullying delicate flowers on the forums (despite calling out Aftermath for doing the same), and shit talking in game (despite calling out Aftermath for doing the same).

Man, if only this was something we could have seen coming.

[Endonde]

bullying delicate flowers on the forums (despite calling out Aftermath for doing the same),

Man, if only this was something we could have seen coming.

Hey man there is nothing wrong with being delicate, I just think maybe for your own well being you should avoid the forum where everyone trash talks.

[Freakish]

Everyone is delicate in summer. It's those UV rays.

[fastboy21]

Good thing you’re Mr. Irrelevant.

Boom roasted.

[Mblake81]

Unicity liked to point out how there are zero Riot folks shit talking because they were above it, it was cringe/disappointing/he didn't like it, and asked me to PM him examples of it happening so he could speak to the Riot folks involved.

What is it, you want the banter or you want the silence? :confused:

It's not good form for the underdog to shit talk. It makes an already weak position even weaker and loads ammunition into the topdogs shotgun. Rightfully so. How many times does this need to be explained.

Crawls allow 100+ people to experience tedium, instead of just limiting it to the 5-10 man masochists pull team.

The entire game is tedium then. Why are you playing?

Nobody let him know some people wearing a Riot tag are doing it, I worry he'll be disappointed.

That would be me on these forums. Tell Unicity its Evae. If he boots me so be it but it was would be worth it. You fucks deserved it and more.

Two weeks on top and Riot are accepting people calling their guildies fags (despite calling out Aftermath for doing the same), bullying delicate flowers on the forums (despite calling out Aftermath for doing the same), and shit talking in game (despite calling out Aftermath for doing the same).

Man, if only this was something we could have seen coming.

You still act as if your opinion matters anymore than mine, they don't. Who cares what you seen coming. People act like I am the only irrelevant nobody here on these elf forums, you got some pixels. Fucking congrats.

Now either you take back your top spot and put Riot down for the count or you assume the underdog and shut the fuck up.

[Baylan295]

Excuse me, I’m in Riot and enjoying summer.

[Kayso2]

Way to go, Baylan. Now we'll never be able to kill any mobs. Whatever you do, don't eat a steak.

[Arkanjil]

Excuse me, I’m in Riot and enjoying summer.

Looks like fun to me :)

[Baylan295]

Way to go, Baylan. Now we'll never be able to kill any mobs. Whatever you do, don't eat a steak.

Shit. Those are on tomorrow’s menu. Tonight was bacon & jalapeño Mac & cheese with different sandwiches for my wife and I. Now I’m enjoying the growler of wonderful local beer.

Do you think Riot will be OK without me? Or am I just stuck in RnF?

[Arkanjil]

Shit. Those are on tomorrow’s menu. Tonight was bacon & jalapeño Mac & cheese with different sandwiches for my wife and I. Now I’m enjoying the growler of wonderful local beer.

Do you think Riot will be OK without me? Or am I just stuck in RnF?

They’ll be fine carrying your casual ass, as usual.

[Baylan295]

They’ll be fine carrying your casual ass, as usual.

You and I both know I’m an admin officer. Recharges, guild invites, and beer recommendations is all I’m good for

[Yoink1986]

^true story

[Arkanjil]

You and I both know I’m an admin officer. Recharges, guild invites, and beer recommendations is all I’m good for

So true :p

[Baylan295]

So true :p

Good thing I have buddies I trust and am still capable of calling a DAG CHARGE before anyone in AM.

Remedial officers in Riot know when to pull the trigger.

[Arkanjil]

Good thing I have buddies I trust and am still capable of calling a DAG CHARGE before anyone in AM.

Remedial officers in Riot know when to pull the trigger.

Your raid leading is like a shooting star....you rarely see it, but when you do, it’s memorable :p

[Daloon]

It wasnt even batphoned, we assumed Riot was zergy enough to kill it.

Think it was posted on Discord tho

[Baylan295]

It wasnt even batphoned, we assumed Riot was zergy enough to kill it.

Think it was posted on Discord tho

Did give responder DKP though.

[Convict]

You still act as if your opinion matters anymore than mine, they don't. Who cares what you seen coming. People act like I am the only irrelevant nobody here on these elf forums, you got some pixels. Fucking congrats.
yeah thats been my main issue with AM, they think the tag next to their name makes them special or their their opinions matter more for some reason. Whats most aggravating about it is it happens to new members who haven't even been in the guild for more than a couple months, they join and their ego's insta-inflate.

[Molitoth]

yeah thats been my main issue with AM, they think the tag next to their name makes them special or their their opinions matter more for some reason. Whats most aggravating about it is it happens to new members who haven't even been in the guild for more than a couple months, they join and their ego's insta-inflate.

Not anymore. :D

[Baylan295]

yeah thats been my main issue with AM, they think the tag next to their name makes them special or their their opinions matter more for some reason. Whats most aggravating about it is it happens to new members who haven't even been in the guild for more than a couple months, they join and their ego's insta-inflate.

Paging Tofat.

[matticas]

Hey man,

I think this is your guild leader after losing 1 mob (Lady Nev) in TOV about a month ago:
https://i.imgur.com/x8fCWwH.jpg

I also saw some footage of Aftermath's Eashen of the Sky raid this week which was lead by Conda I think? He had some very colorful language to spread around voice comms, including threatening to guild remove people if they 'didn't fucking listen' or ' didn't fucking move.' Oh, I think he called everyone 'fucking children', which was oddly ironic considering the rant he was on. I heard your name in the clip, so you know what I'm talking about, homie.

He's an officer right?

Both of those guys seemed very respectful to their member base. Very cool, normal, and respectful leadership.

Yikes.

It's true. It's hard for me to talk about it, but there have been a few times when toxic Monrezz angrily called people 'numpty.' I don't know what it means, but I've mentioned it to my therapist. It keeps me up at night. DON'T JOIN AFTERMATH...the horror...sometimes they use mean words like meanies.

[Baylan295]

It's true. It's hard for me to talk about it, but there have been a few times when toxic Monrezz angrily called people 'numpty.' I don't know what it means, but I've mentioned it to my therapist. It keeps me up at night. DON'T JOIN AFTERMATH...the horror...sometimes they use mean words like meanies.

I’ve never heard any Riot officers call any members fucking children, nor have I heard anyone threaten to guild remove anyone for play quality - but thats just an officer in Riot. In fact, when people have cost us mobs we tend to go out of the way to have a personal conversation rather than name and shame.

[DromalPhrenia]

I don't think I've ever heard an AM Officer "name and shame" either. Things that cost us mobs have always been kept as general advice rather than individual blame. During the pull-to-zone era, apps and other people new to pulling were encouraged to get their feet wet and not stand back for fear of failure, with one officer often stating some variation of "Don't worry, I've lost us more dragons than you've killed" - the attitude has always been that not stepping up is worse than trying and failing.

The opening/closing door thing wasn't play quality, it was someone deliberately sabotaging pulls. The door was closed as soon as it was opened, and opened again as soon as it closed. This wasn't a new player unsure of what to do, or an established player making a mistake, it was someone intentionally trolling their own guild - and particularly poorly timed as another raid had not gone well.

Making mistakes has never gotten me any vitriol in AM, and the time I got us murdered in ToV (it was very obviously me because it caused an FTE to go out, fuckin dragon snitches), an officer just sent me a tell to ask what happened, that was it. I felt terrible but absolutely no one, leadership or normal guild member, gave me any shit for it.

I have heard of a certain Riot officer being a condescending dickhead when members voice their critiques of how raids are being led, but much like the idiotic door situation, I can believe that was just an isolated situation with bad timing and not indicative of a larger attitude problem with Riot's leadership :)

[Twochain]

I’ve never heard any Riot officers call any members fucking children, nor have I heard anyone threaten to guild remove anyone for play quality - but thats just an officer in Riot. In fact, when people have cost us mobs we tend to go out of the way to have a personal conversation rather than name and shame.

BruhV have you had anyone purposely open and close a door for 10 minutes straight, blocking people pulling, just to be a dick head? That's a lot different than someone losing a mob by a mistake they made. It was getting some of our monks killed that were pulling. And then, whoever did it, I think shared the fraps with Fingerz? Riot spy? /Tinfoil

I find this convo is funny considering what AW/Tempest's Team speak comms sounded like compared to ours.

[Wonkie]

"no we're nicer to the guys trading their youth for maybe get dragon pixels"

[matticas]

I’ve never heard any Riot officers call any members fucking children, nor have I heard anyone threaten to guild remove anyone for play quality - but thats just an officer in Riot. In fact, when people have cost us mobs we tend to go out of the way to have a personal conversation rather than name and shame.

The whole 'meanie-not-nice-poo-poo-words' angle is one of the weakest angles I've seen anyone make in the anti-AM campaign. In my 3 years in AM, the leadership has been largely stellar. It's currently the best it's ever been. Just my opinion, obviously, but I think this argument is extremely weak. Especially coming from an outsider.

[Hotel]

Paging Tofat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLMPyal9bb0&t=35s

remember when the game was fun and you could just be better than people