Recruitment Advice for AG

[Hotel]

Hey Maliant,

I'm sure you're a little on the fritz at the moment with your guild falling apart and all but I'm here to offer you some advice on how to create more effective recruitment posts.

Do you like loot like this https://wiki.project1999.com/Primal_Velium_Fist_Wraps?

Or perhaps

https://wiki.project1999.com/Flayed_Barbarian_Skin_Leggings?

Then join the only guild that will allow you to get these in 2019 and going into the next decade. Join our COTH bot Army and be trained by the likes of Furoar so good he single handed toppled the former #1 guild on the server. We will even train you to properly levitate and have a culture that promotes learning and friendship over toxicity.

We also look out for the little guys helping with epics, faction groups, fun exp adventures such as Littul’s numerous adventures featured on reddit etc.

So, what are you waiting for? Apply today!

Two more primal 1 handers added to our arsenal.

Grats Astatine who passed on many and finally was forced to accept one.

Also grats to Sarkana on his own https://wiki.project1999.com/Primal_Velium_Warsword

Proud of our peeps and all the effort they have put in to get to this point.

Apply today to join a great crew of folks.

You should begin by asking yourself, "what am I trying to accomplish."

It seems to me that you linked the very best individual pieces of loot your guild has gotten all year with the intent of having someone exclaim "oh wow, maybe if I joined AG I could get that loot too."

The reason that strategy is working so poorly for you is because the individual who would be persuaded to join your guild because of the loot you linked will than ask themselves, "how likely is it that I will obtain that loot when I join AG?"

They then will realize that joining AG actually gives them the worst chance for end game loot. By joining Riot or AM their chances of receiving the best kind of loot are significantly higher because those guilds receive the loot at a more frequent pace.

So instead of trying to show off the few items every year that you are able to snag, maybe you should go with the friends and family approach.

By having a more honest recruitment messaging established I believe you may start to recruit the kinds of players you will enjoy playing with.

Yours truly,
Tofat

[Mead]

thanks for telling us what we already know op

sorry you played yourself by joining a bad guild and getting no loot

[Hotel]

bad guild

sick point

[k9quaint]

Judging from RnF, it is pretty likely they can get this loot:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Tears_of_Aftermath

:)

[Madbad]

Should be banned for trolling the wiki

[Heebs13]

OP mad that he didn't get primal 1hs, or mad cuz bad?

[Vianna]

OP mad that he didn't get primal 1hs, or mad cuz bad?

How did Vulak go ?

[Tethler]

Hotel and Vianna already here, where is Dannyl? The cringe trifecta is almost complete!

[Vianna]

Hotel and Vianna already here, where is Dannyl? The cringe trifecta is almost complete!

Winners winning is complete for sure.

[Vianna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXzlRoNtHU

[Jimjam]

OP mad that he didn't get primal 1hs, or mad cuz bad?

Is it true those primal warswords were from one day, not one year as posited by OP?

Are you saying OP's perspectives are tinted by how few primals are available to regular members of his guild?

[Viscere]

no idea what you're talking about, I got my primal back in 2016

[shuklak]

Just go to green99 where primals will be tradeable imo.

[Henlolizar]

I'm a rando who has never raided before and doesn't even have a level 60, but you posted this at 9PM on Friday night gratuitously shitting on a decent guild in my experience. This is an example of perhaps why people don't like AM.

Have a great weekend.

[Endonde]

While we're at it lets go ahead and fix Aftermaths too!

"Aftermath, a home for players that no other guild will recruit."

[bspa0700]

I'm a rando who has never raided before and doesn't even have a level 60, but you posted this at 9PM on Friday night gratuitously shitting on a decent guild in my experience. This is an example of perhaps why people don't like AM.

Have a great weekend.

Did you also notice that the recruitment posts themselves were a blatant attempt to jab at AM? So when they jab us its ok, but when we jab back its not? Also, exactly what does time of day or day of the week have to do with anything?

OP is young, well educated, good job and achieves at a high level both in and out of game. Whatever narrative you're trying to push with that friday 9pm comment is incorrect.

[bspa0700]

While we're at it lets go ahead and fix Aftermaths too!

"Aftermath, a home for players that no other guild will recruit."

Every single player that has come to Aftermath after being shunned by other guilds has gone on to be a very productive player for us. I wouldn't be bragging about such egregious leadership mistakes if I was you.

[Francois]

Every single player that has come to Aftermath after being shunned by other guilds has gone on to be a very productive player for us

Being productive and being a decent person are two different things.

[Hotel]

Did you also notice that the recruitment posts themselves were a blatant attempt to jab at AM? So when they jab us its ok, but when we jab back its not? Also, exactly what does time of day or day of the week have to do with anything?

OP is young, well educated, good job and achieves at a high level both in and out of game. Whatever narrative you're trying to push with that friday 9pm comment is incorrect.

Conda is beautiful, successful, and wholesome. <3

why does everyone have to be so toxic?

smh

[DromalPhrenia]

Being productive and being a decent person are two different things.

Luckily my guild is full of both :D. Hey what happened to Cores desire to remain small and very selective in their invites? People in my guild keep getting buff requests and group invites from Riot during raids... it feels like you guys don’t even know each other :(

[Bellringer]

Being likable and being a decent person are two different things.

https://i.imgur.com/BiyNUi9.gif

[Freakish]

More fun to be unlikable and indecent.

/bird

[Francois]

Luckily my guild is full of both :D. Hey what happened to Cores desire to remain small and very selective in their invites? People in my guild keep getting buff requests and group invites from Riot during raids... it feels like you guys don’t even know each other :(

At Aary stairs yesterday? That's actually funny because someone was joking about AM not knowing their members because they were actually giving the buffs.

[bspa0700]

At Aary stairs yesterday? That's actually funny because someone was joking about AM not knowing their members because they were actually giving the buffs.

Every guild has their lemons. Just have to laugh it off.

[Francois]

Luckily my guild is full of both :D. Hey what happened to Cores desire to remain small and very selective in their invites? (

As for what happened to Core. It became disheartening showing up for a dragon that takes ~35 people to kill and going up against a guild that consistently brought 100+ people. At one point this year AM had 149 people at Vulak. With giant windows it's just not sustainable to complete against a guild that size. I wish that this server wasn't zergy, but when one guild does it, you have to match the strategy if you want to compete.

Have you ever done Trakanon or Vindi with 12 people? It's actually really fun. Every person counts.

Also, I know that AM has great people. Toggin, Capi, Monrezz, Darkman, Visceral, and many more are lovely to talk to. The people that were being referred to are those that have a history of being homophobic, racist, and sexually harassing women.

[Teppler]

As for what happened to Core. It became disheartening showing up for a dragon that takes ~35 people to kill and going up against a guild that consistently brought 100+ people. At one point this year AM had 149 people at Vulak. With giant windows it's just not sustainable to complete against a guild that size. I wish that this server wasn't zergy, but when one guild does it, you have to match the strategy if you want to compete.

Have you ever done Trakanon or Vindi with 12 people? It's actually really fun. Every person counts.

Also, I know that AM has great people. Toggin, Capi, Monrezz, Darkman, Visceral, and many more are lovely to talk to. The people that were being referred to are those that have a history of being homophobic, racist, and sexually harassing women.

Looks like you surround yourself with a bunch of drama queens. I've been with AM like 6 weeks now and I haven't seen 1 conversation centered around any of this.

[gutterbrain]

One star thread.

If you are taking the time to draft out this post we are probably doing something right.

[Endonde]

Looks like you surround yourself with a bunch of drama queens. I've been with AM like 6 weeks now and I haven't seen 1 conversation centered around any of this.

A whole 6 weeks, wow I'm impressed.

[Teppler]

A whole 6 weeks, wow I'm impressed.

I'm sure that day is coming up where I'm going to log into that klan rally in process.

[Francois]

Looks like you surround yourself with a bunch of drama queens.

Maybe. I might be overly sensitive too.

I just prefer to not spend my time with people who call me a faggot, or send unsolicited dick pics to married women in my guild, or be blatantly racist.

It honestly is none of my business how people spend their time, it just bothers me so I'm here on a sunny Saturday wasting my time writing about it. Maybe i'm also very stupid.

[Francois]

https://i.imgur.com/BiyNUi9.gif

Hey Bell. Someone was kind enough to finally send me the fraps that resulted in Core's first infamous "500k in a treasure chest" suspension. I now understand why you kept it hidden.

https://youtu.be/hYPNuxCYttA

I did notice that Cekk was in fact in the zone, but there was no assist, and the train went straight to a Tempest shaman that was standing. Pretty wild stuff. I can't believe you got away with that.

Right before you contacted me about the 500k, I had offered to do a VP training session for new Tempest members to get familiar with the zone. I honestly wanted Tempest to be successful because at the time I believed you had integrity. I would have still been in Tempest had you not told me I could not play on my alts with friends.

I'd still love to see the video that got us suspended on Terror, but we know that doesn't exist because there was only one Tempest member (a monk) in zone and he was flopped at the portal. That one was especially strange considering we had the video showing that we didn't kite, yet you petitioned, and for some reason we were punished.

Anyway, I'm glad you still think I'm likable. I'm not sure why you don't think I'm a decent person though. Pointing out cheating isn't exactly evil.

[Xaeophi]

What you did at Dain was evil Franswa. Who turns in a KT head for a heckler hammer or whatever its called! Who does that!!!!

[isiah]

Bellringer sucks.

[icedwards]

Bellringer sucks.

[Hotel]

Maybe. I might be overly sensitive too.

I just prefer to not spend my time with people who call me a faggot, or send unsolicited dick pics to married women in my guild, or be blatantly racist.

It honestly is none of my business how people spend their time, it just bothers me so I'm here on a sunny Saturday wasting my time writing about it. Maybe i'm also very stupid.

you aren't being stupid, just slanderous

if you want to connect AM with people who spend there time calling other people faggots, sending dick picks, or being racist. name a name

if you can't name a name

admit that your opinion has been entirely formed by a few negative experiences and does not come close to reflecting reality

sorry the meta sucks

[Pint]

Can confirm detoxx has sent me unsolicited picks of his dick

[Hotel]

o i guess you're referring to kelza when he was in tempest/awakened?

you should ask some AM guys what they think of him nowadays

inb4 ofc they like him because all AM cares about is pixels

[Francois]

you aren't being stupid, just slanderous

if you want to connect AM with people who spend there time calling other people faggots, sending dick picks, or being racist. name a name

if you can't name a name

admit that your opinion has been entirely formed by a few negative experiences and does not come close to reflecting reality

sorry the meta sucks

I sent you a list. As I said in the PM, it's not libel if it's true.

I've been on this server quite a while, and my opinion is based on hundreds of hours of interactions with people. I used to be in the same guild as many of the people I'm talking about.

I think you're misrepresenting my point. I didn't say the AM is an evil organization filled with despicable people. There are many wonderful people in AM, but those same people tolerate disgusting behavior of a select few because they care more about the performance of the player than integrity.

[Daloon]

I passed out on my keyboard last night, but my Riot/Spy contacts telling me they hate each other now lol.. Not sure what happened but plz get along everybody, its just a video game!

[Daloon]

The people that were being referred to are those that have a history of being homophobic, racist, and sexually harassing women.

I'll take Something Antifa would say for 1000, Alex.

Who are you referring to?

AM has the best women, men, and inbetweeners.

[Yoink1986]

hey Dannly go off what Hotel said and name a name. you got spys.. i got AM spys too lol. we know you're full of shit so why post this post?

[Baylan295]

you aren't being stupid, just slanderous

if you want to connect AM with people who spend there time calling other people faggots, sending dick picks, or being racist. name a name

if you can't name a name

admit that your opinion has been entirely formed by a few negative experiences and does not come close to reflecting reality

sorry the meta sucks

It is really funny that everyone we turn down apps AM.

[rezzie]

It is really funny that everyone we turn down apps AM.

It's also funny because the people we turn down apps Riot.

You currently have a guy tagged that we turned down for maloing and slowing other guild's mobs, and spamming guild chat asking for a rogue to come lockpick the door for him to get into VP.

[Baylan295]

It's also funny because the people we turn down apps Riot.

You currently have a guy tagged that we turned down for maloing and slowing other guild's mobs, and spamming guild chat asking for a rogue to come lockpick the door for him to get into VP.

PM please.

[Hideousclaw]

Did you also notice that the recruitment posts themselves were a blatant attempt to jab at AM? So when they jab us its ok, but when we jab back its not? Also, exactly what does time of day or day of the week have to do with anything?

OP is young, well educated, good job and achieves at a high level both in and out of game. Whatever narrative you're trying to push with that friday 9pm comment is incorrect.

I mean, your guys recruitment post is a constant jab at AG and Riot every cycle soooo.... pot, meet kettle?

Sorry y’all don’t get primals and it hurts your little fragile egos. Step back and enjoy the game for what it is, it’s not just about the pixels.

[bspa0700]

I mean, your guys recruitment post is a constant jab at AG and Riot every cycle soooo.... pot, meet kettle?

Sorry y’all don’t get primals and it hurts your little fragile egos. Step back and enjoy the game for what it is, it’s not just about the pixels.

I got my primal in 2016. I got my primal on my alt in 2017.

[Jimjam]

Did you also notice that the recruitment posts themselves were a blatant attempt to jab at AM? So when they jab us its ok, but when we jab back its not? Also, exactly what does time of day or day of the week have to do with anything?

OP is young, well educated, good job and achieves at a high level both in and out of game. Whatever narrative you're trying to push with that friday 9pm comment is incorrect.No trolling in guild recruitment. If you think this rule has been broken, report it?

[bomaroast]

It's only take them half a decade to reach the end game. They're trying so hard guys, come on

[Detoxx]

I mean, your guys recruitment post is a constant jab at AG and Riot every cycle soooo.... pot, meet kettle?

Sorry y’all don’t get primals and it hurts your little fragile egos. Step back and enjoy the game for what it is, it’s not just about the pixels.

We dont get primals cause we dont waste time killing golems that drop 7pp to get primals for all the mobs you dont kill. Please gain perspective.

[Daloon]

Sorry that more people want to join Aftermath than any guild in the history of P99, with almost perfect retention. Guess it's all that racism and sexism that Riot claims we have. Yall sound like politicians.

Stop grandstanding. You currently have a senior member shopping around trying to get 4 figures for his account. You tried to snipe a fucking Tunare.. The guy who admitted to training Forsaken's Vulaks/Vyemms with skele illusion a dozen times is still in Riot. You have members who have flamed the fuck out of P99 Devs directly... And lastly, HALF YOUR GUILD was suspended for half of last year for serious raid infractions.

All guilds have "assholes" or whatever you want to call them to feel better. You're playing a video game with hundreds of strangers from all aspects of life. They aren't going anywhere, and your perception is skewed.

Anyways, this holier-than-thou outlook is not going to help you win favor or dragons, that shit got old a year or two ago. And for the record, your shit does stink.

[Hideousclaw]

I got my primal in 2016. I got my primal on my alt in 2017.

10915

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[Yoink1986]

^LOL

[Horza]

Sorry that more people want to join Aftermath than any guild in the history of P99, with almost perfect retention. Guess it's all that racism and sexism that Riot claims we have. Yall sound like politicians.

I don't know about racism and sexism, but bragging about your elf guild having perfect retention on a Saturday afternoon in 2019 isn't doing any favors when people accuse you of being degenerate nerds stuck two decades in the past.

[keen]

Let me drop some facts on your shit post.

I mean, in the last year or so, AG has gotten:

Primal Velium Battlehammer: 12
Primal Velium Spear: 8
Primal Velium Warsword: 11
Primal 2hb: 19
Primal 2hs/2hp: 1,785 (seriously, so many rots I can't even count em)

AG has a total of 104 keyed people.

That's 31 Primal 1hers, and we also don't have 300+ keyed people all trying to bid for em.

How many 1hers has AM gotten to feed their 300+ keyed people in the last year?

Just curious.

Also, pretty sure AG just got two 1h primals in the last week.

OP mad about that?

Probably.

Keep having fun bidding against the 130 other people in your zerg while AG is over here doing more with less. Hell.. we could team up with 2 other guilds, have to split loot 3 ways, and still get more pixels per member than you guys do.

AM constantly talking about wanting competition, get beat on 5 Statue CoTHs in a row, cry until the server changes the rules and makes everything a foot race.
(completely unrelated, just want to call out these nerds for being lame af)


Go shit on someone your own size.

[Vianna]

Let me drop some facts on your shit post.

I mean, in the last year or so, AG has gotten:

Primal Velium Battlehammer: 12
Primal Velium Spear: 8
Primal Velium Warsword: 11
Primal 2hb: 19
Primal 2hs/2hp: 1,785 (seriously, so many rots I can't even count em)

AG has a total of 104 keyed people.

That's 31 Primal 1hers, and we also don't have 300+ keyed people all trying to bid for em.

How many 1hers has AM gotten to feed their 300+ keyed people in the last year?

Just curious.

Also, pretty sure AG just got two 1h primals in the last week.

OP mad about that?

Probably.

Keep having fun bidding against the 130 other people in your zerg while AG is over here doing more with less. Hell.. we could team up with 2 other guilds, have to split loot 3 ways, and still get more pixels per member than you guys do.

AM constantly talking about wanting competition, get beat on 5 Statue CoTHs in a row, cry until the server changes the rules and makes everything a foot race.
(completely unrelated, just want to call out these nerds for being lame af)


Go shit on someone your own size.

This is one serious person right here. Furoar mad that he can't cheat CoTHing now ?

[Detoxx]

Let me drop some facts on your shit post.

I mean, in the last year or so, AG has gotten:

Primal Velium Battlehammer: 12
Primal Velium Spear: 8
Primal Velium Warsword: 11
Primal 2hb: 19
Primal 2hs/2hp: 1,785 (seriously, so many rots I can't even count em)

AG has a total of 104 keyed people.

That's 31 Primal 1hers, and we also don't have 300+ keyed people all trying to bid for em.

How many 1hers has AM gotten to feed their 300+ keyed people in the last year?

Just curious.

Also, pretty sure AG just got two 1h primals in the last week.

OP mad about that?

Probably.

Keep having fun bidding against the 130 other people in your zerg while AG is over here doing more with less. Hell.. we could team up with 2 other guilds, have to split loot 3 ways, and still get more pixels per member than you guys do.

AM constantly talking about wanting competition, get beat on 5 Statue CoTHs in a row, cry until the server changes the rules and makes everything a foot race.
(completely unrelated, just want to call out these nerds for being lame af)


Go shit on someone your own size.

How many Vulaks? AoWs? Dozekars? Grats on you primals but lets be real here, no one gives a shit. Your guild is also dying atm, so theres that.

Also the rules were changed due to a known cheater being booted from AM then tagged AG scripting CoTHs. Sorry you cant actually compete on Statue without a cheater/ Also it was 2 Statues we lost, out of the last 80? Yea, thats something were worried about.

[Endonde]

How many Vulaks? AoWs? Dozekars? Grats on you primals but lets be real here, no one gives a shit. Your guild is also dying atm, so theres that.

Also the rules were changed due to a known cheater being booted from AM then tagged AG scripting CoTHs. Sorry you cant actually compete on Statue without a cheater/ Also it was 2 Statues we lost, out of the last 80? Yea, thats something were worried about.

I'm not sure you should make this argument seeing as how you're a known cheater too.

[keen]

Also the rules were changed due to a known cheater being booted from AM then tagged AG scripting CoTHs. Sorry you cant actually compete on Statue without a cheater

Bro, our second COTHer was beating you too.

AM loses: "Oh, he can't be beat, we need to hold Tunare hostage to get the rules changed.. let's say he's cheating so we don't look like assholes."

Lol. Get outta here with that nonsense.

[Detoxx]

I'm not sure you should make this argument seeing as how you're a known cheater too.

You mean the cheating that was overturned cause it was your pal Hokushin that sucked Sirkens nuts enough to convince him it was Autofire only to be autofiring himself? Yea. no. The GM that single handedly used to deal with cheaters and RMTers cleared my name and unbanned my toon after 7? days.

Nice try tho

[Hideousclaw]

AM constantly talking about wanting competition, get beat on 5 Statue CoTHs in a row, cry until the server changes the rules and makes everything a foot race.
(completely unrelated, just want to call out these nerds for being lame af)


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[Detoxx]

A guild goes from losing every single CoTH races for months by 2 seconds or more all of the sudden has 1 person that cant be beat that was a known cheater at Lodi and yet you're defending it?

Yikes

[rezzie]

Let me drop some facts on your shit post.

I mean, in the last year or so, AG has gotten:

Primal Velium Battlehammer: 12
Primal Velium Spear: 8
Primal Velium Warsword: 11
Primal 2hb: 19
Primal 2hs/2hp: 1,785 (seriously, so many rots I can't even count em)


Grats! In the last year we've had 70 primals drop too.

Remember when your FTErs burned out, you had to change your DKP structure and introduce FTE time limits because of ST?

[Francois]

What about this one? Is this cheating?

we tried to camp, these mobs aoe (https://imgur.com/a/JrpCf6v)

Video (https://youtu.be/mMoChTCI25w)

It was kind of you to provide evidence that you were lying. Strange that you felt the need to scrub the audio though.

Maybe that's not cheating? It's definitely trying to game the system for free mobs.

[Detoxx]

What about this one? Is this cheating?

[/URL]

[URL="https://youtu.be/mMoChTCI25w"]Video (https://imgur.com/a/JrpCf6v)

It was kind of you to provide evidence that you were lying. Strange that you felt the need to scrub the audio though.

Maybe that's not cheating? It's definitely trying to game the system for free mobs.

You mean me standing up to continue frapsing since you didnt even concede with the fraps of a clear train, even less of a chance without one. You fostered that environment, not me.

[rezzie]

What about this one? Is this cheating?

[/URL]

[URL="https://youtu.be/mMoChTCI25w"]Video (https://imgur.com/a/JrpCf6v)

It was kind of you to provide evidence that you were lying. Strange that you felt the need to scrub the audio though.

Maybe that's not cheating? It's definitely trying to game the system for free mobs.

Hey come on Fran, I sent you the fraps with the audio for that. Audio wasn't scrubbed for nefarious reasons.

[Detoxx]

Hey come on Fran, I sent you the fraps with the audio for that. Audio wasn't scrubbed for nefarious reasons.

Hes gotta spin as its his big story of why he left the Discord and quit the game. I specifically told everyone to camp in that fraps with the audio, there wasnt enough time.

Liars will lie, dunno...

[gundumbwing]

You mean the cheating that was overturned cause it was your pal Hokushin that sucked Sirkens nuts enough to convince him it was Autofire only to be autofiring himself? Yea. no. The GM that single handedly used to deal with cheaters and RMTers cleared my name and unbanned my toon after 7? days.

Nice try tho

I myself am just a random here, but I had to chime on this crazy post. Has there been even a single post by any GM saying anything that could be considered "clearing your name"? I've never seen one myself.

The only thing I've seen here is that your character was merely unbanned. Was it via truth? Was it via a monetary donation you may or may not have given? Sexual favors perhaps? A lifetime of powerleveling alts? I don't know. but you and this other GM do. And I've see enough evidence on this forum to take anything you say with a grain of salt.

I have seen videos of you altering content in it for...who knows why? Who alters video content to remove parts of it if shows nothing but the truth? Again, I don't know.

Care to post links to your name being cleared so you can lay this to rest once and for all? Ill believe the GM who cleared your name if that happened. Or are you just gonna continue to take a page from Trumps book and exonerate yourself?

[Francois]

On a lighter subject, here's what warders used to drop. If they were still up, we wouldn't have this weird flex contest that is going on.

[Wed Sep 02 02:55:51 2015] Azeth tells the guild, 'Song: Composition of Ervaj, Primal Velium War Lance, Blue Resistance Stone, Primal Velium War Lance, Primal Velium Reinforced Bow, Primal Velium War Lance, Blue Resistance Stone'

[Sat Sep 12 04:03:52 2015] Fingerz tells the guild, 'Spell: Monster Summoning III, Song: Composition of Ervaj, Primal Velium Claidhmore, Primal Velium Spear, Primal Velium Battle Axe, Cloth Cap, Cloth Cap, '

[Sun Sep 20 03:08:04 2015] Koraf tells the guild, 'Song: Composition of Ervaj, Primal Velium Warsword, Blue Resistance Stone, Primal Velium Battle Axe, Primal Velium Brawl Stick, Primal Velium Reinforced Bow, '

[Sun Sep 20 04:28:07 2015] Azeth tells the guild, 'Spell: Gift of Brilliance, Spell: Gift of Brilliance, Shroud of Longevity, Primal Velium Warsword, Cloth Cap, Cloth Cap, Salindrite Dagger, '

[Sat Oct 03 02:17:38 2015] Toggin tells the guild, 'Spell: Arch Lich, Spell: Divine Strength, Primal Velium Claidhmore, Primal Velium Battle Axe, Writ of Dragonkind, Primal Velium War Lance, Sceptre of Destruction, '

[Sat Oct 03 03:09:33 2015] Koraf tells the guild, ', Primal Velium Battle Axe, Shroud of Longevity, Green Resistance Stone, Primal Velium Battle Axe, Cloth Cap, Primal Velium Brawl Stick'

[Sat Oct 17 02:59:05 2015] Azeth tells the guild, 'Spell: Arch Lich, Spell: Monster Summoning III, Primal Velium Battlehammer, Primal Velium War Lance, Primal Velium Brawl Stick, Dainty Gloves, Primal Velium Reinforced Bow, '

[Sat Oct 17 04:00:40 2015] Azeth tells the guild, 'Song: Composition of Ervaj, Primal Velium Battlehammer, Shield of the Clawed Guardian, Primal Velium Brawl Stick, Salindrite Dagger, Green Resistance Stone, Cloth Cap'

[Sat Oct 17 04:46:35 2015] Diamondfist tells the guild, 'Spell: Gift of Brilliance, Spell: Ice Spear of Solist, Cloth Cap, Primal Velium Spear, Primal Velium Brawl Stick, Primal Velium Claidhmore, Primal Velium Spear, '

[Sun Oct 25 00:21:27 2015] Enorm tells the guild, 'Spell: Protection of the Glades, Dainty Gloves, Primal Velium Battle Axe, Mask of Tinkering, Mask of Tinkering, Primal Velium Battlehammer, Cloth Cap'

[Mon Jan 25 20:49:21 2016] Azeth tells the guild, 'Spell: Aegolism, Primal Velium Battlehammer, Primal Velium Reinforced Bow, Blue Resistance Stone, Primal Velium Battle Axe, Cloth Cap, Primal Velium Claidhmore'

[Mon Jan 25 21:37:48 2016] Azeth tells the guild, 'Song: Composition of Ervaj, Primal Velium War Lance, Primal Velium Battle Axe, Primal Velium Claidhmore, Clawed Guardian Bracer, Cloth Cap, Writ of Dragonkind'

It's probably for the best that the warder's are awake. The cloth cap market would be flooded.

[Hideousclaw]

A guild goes from losing every single CoTH races for months by 2 seconds or more all of the sudden has 1 person that cant be beat that was a known cheater at Lodi and yet you're defending it?

Yikes

Funny, we all cheat in Azure Guard. Here is a picture of me scoping out the primal scene in Sleeper's Tomb!

10921

Lofty accusations. Keep on blowing out that hot air.

10920

[Arkanjil]

While we're at it lets go ahead and fix Aftermaths too!

"Aftermath, a home for players that no other guild will recruit."

Why are you even in AM? Most of your posts are just hating on us. Sounds like you need to leave.

[Vallaen]

What guild is Robthe in?

[DromalPhrenia]

Also, I know that AM has great people. Toggin, Capi, Monrezz, Darkman, Visceral, and many more are lovely to talk to. The people that were being referred to are those that have a history of being homophobic, racist, and sexually harassing women.
That's a nice story you're crafting there, but my experience in AM has had none of that. It's possible that current members had some of that behavior in the past, I can't say for sure. I can say that we've had apps that had a reputation as toxic in the past, even among our own members, but they were given an opportunity to app anyway.

Several of them have gone on to become full members, with no sign of that aforementioned toxicity. They're funny, helpful, kind and skillful players. Maybe it's a difference in the community - maybe being part of guilds full of bitterness, resentment and repeated failures leads people to act out in the worst ways. I know that our guild has a lot of diversity (it IS a pretty big guild after all), with many members from minority or otherwise marginalized groups, and I've seen no slurs thrown at them, or anyone else for that matter.

Of course, we've also had people app and show themselves to be immature, rude and aggressive - they're quickly shown the door. The story of the app who told someone to kill themselves stands out, and he was deguilded promptly. But painting AM as a guild that houses bigots might make people think twice about apping us, and when your guild doesn't do so hot at competing, maybe that's not the worst tactic.

[Francois]

Hes gotta spin as its his big story of why he left the Discord and quit the game. I specifically told everyone to camp in that fraps with the audio, there wasnt enough time.

Liars will lie, dunno...

Monrezz's video definitely did have audio, and overlapped with the beginning of Detoxx's. He's also right, that people were calling to camp. Then if you watch Detoxx's video you can see him cancel his camp multiple times and stand in the way. He has over 90 seconds of not being AEed to camp out. It's right there in the video you posted. I don't understand how I am spinning a story here. It's right there in the video you posted.

Monrezz, you can post yours here if you'd like if you think it shows something different (I lost the link).

You were definitely a part of the reason I didn't want to play as much. It's not fun having to deal with situations like this. The other being I was starting to do poorly in school and had to free up some time.

[Baylan295]

Hes gotta spin as its his big story of why he left the Discord and quit the game. I specifically told everyone to camp in that fraps with the audio, there wasnt enough time.

Liars will lie, dunno...

Pretty sure Fran didn’t leave the UN channel or the game because of any one incident, and he hasn’t left the game at all. He’s been pretty active the last week or two.

You can talk trash about mobs you won against Tempest or AW, but if you know of any known cheaters or RMTers in Riot, let me know and provide some evidence and I’ll remove them myself. I’m in the UN channel now, so you know where to find me.

[Arkanjil]

I suspect a Riot/AG merger will eventually happen.

[Detoxx]

Then if you watch Detoxx's video you can see him cancel his camp multiple times and stand in the way. He has over 90 seconds of not being AEed to camp out. It's right there in the video you posted. I don't understand how I am spinning a story here. It's right there in the video you posted.

You mean me standing up to continue frapsing since you didnt even concede with the fraps of a clear train, even less of a chance without one. You fostered that environment, not me.

[Daloon]

Not Core, nor Riot, have ever had somebody stay in-game for Frapsing purposes. NEVER have they done that guys. Holier-than-thou lives on.

Clown world.

[Baylan295]

Not Core, nor Riot, have ever had somebody stay in-game for Frapsing purposes. NEVER have they done that guys. Holier-than-thou lives on.

Clown world.

Please PM me the RMT evidence you have.

[matticas]

It's also funny because the people we turn down apps Riot.

You currently have a guy tagged that we turned down for maloing and slowing other guild's mobs, and spamming guild chat asking for a rogue to come lockpick the door for him to get into VP.

We should've let him in. The memes...THINK OF THE MEMES!

[DromalPhrenia]

We should've let him in. The memes...THINK OF THE MEMES!

Yeah but think of the concessions :( Is asking for a rogue to lockpick VP and gating out of your own epic fight by mistake worth all the headaches?

Truly a conundrum for greater minds than mine

[whyyoukickmydog]

Let me drop some facts on your shit post.

I mean, in the last year or so, AG has gotten:

Primal Velium Battlehammer: 12
Primal Velium Spear: 8
Primal Velium Warsword: 11
Primal 2hb: 19
Primal 2hs/2hp: 1,785 (seriously, so many rots I can't even count em)

AG has a total of 104 keyed people.

That's 31 Primal 1hers, and we also don't have 300+ keyed people all trying to bid for em.

.

I dunno, I think this makes AG look pretty bad. A guild full of primal wielding nerds, and you still can't kill anything. Zlandicar sends his regards.

[Kesselring]

What about this one? Is this cheating?

[/URL]

[URL="https://youtu.be/mMoChTCI25w"]Video (https://imgur.com/a/JrpCf6v)

It was kind of you to provide evidence that you were lying. Strange that you felt the need to scrub the audio though.

Maybe that's not cheating? It's definitely trying to game the system for free mobs.

Making a guild camp because of having mobs youre wiping to in their vicinity and los is textbook raid interference. Youre hindering the progress of someone elses raid due to your own shortcomings in that video. Not sure how it could be spun as anything else tbh.

Also can we stop with the propaganda-esque messages. AM isnt the same guild it was 3 years ago, awakened isnt the same guild it was 3 years ago. There is a lot of positivity in AM. Ive never heard racist comments or homophobic stuff in my almost 2 years. Thats just the truth, if people are doing it, they arent doing it publicly. And im sure that people in riot or ag arent perfect angels either in private. The values of every guild is ultimately the same, kill mobs and have fun. Ignoring all political agendas, that is the value of playing any type of pve mmo in a group. Narshe can write his 1000 word essay on why he thinks AM is pure evil and must be cleansed all he wants, but its so far from the actual facts we honestly get a good laugh from it.

[Vallaen]

is this the proof people are talking about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3pFFPSlW4

[Heebs13]

Know how I can tell there are no mobs in window?

Jesus guys, go outside. It's a beautiful Saturday afternoon. It is only a game. Why do you have to be mad?

[Maliant]

Hey Hotel,

Some RNF advice. Probably stop posting like Detoxx told you, every thread you make blows up in your face and makes you look bad. I know you are mad that the GM's deleted your guys' troll posts in our guild forum. I did find the ShowEQ accusations funny. Especially when you guys reset Tunare 10+ times after the changes to her showing weapons or proccing them and always got 3 drop Tunares. The odds of that occurring due to chance alone are less than 1/10th of 1 percent.


I know you guys got your primals in 2016 but the guild to get them in 2019 is still AG. Just remember ST is a marathon not a sprint, don't burn yourselves out. Good luck out there.

[Convict]

You mean me standing up to continue frapsing since you didnt even concede with the fraps of a clear train, even less of a chance without one. You fostered that environment, not me.

look no further than this post to know why every other guilds leadership hates dealing with aftermath. To them 2 wrongs = a right.
They will blatantly fuck you over than point to something that happened months ago to justify why its ok for them to then purposely do something like this.

Not saying you are a good player or anything, but I know you are not just that bad of a player to not realize you could just change camera angle to continue frapsing that. A blind man could watch that fraps and know you cancelled your camp to purposely get your guild trained so you could try and force a concede because you guys just love competition, right? Aftermath leadership is a bunch of sadboys, get over yourselves already.

[rezzie]

ST is a marathon not a sprint, don't burn yourselves out.

It was your officers looking out for you with the FTE limits right?

You guys burning yourselves out contesting 3 mobs in one zone that drop nothing most of the time was impacting your ability to compete on actual raid targets.

Credit where credit is duo though, you managed to get almost as many primals as us in that time.

[gundumbwing]

Can ANYONE provide evidence of detoxxs claims to innocence?

He was officially exonerated from cheating by a GM. Considering the lengths you nerds go to in regards to this game and the gorilla chest beating that ensues as a result, are you telling me no one has the evidence of said GM clearing his name other then anecdotal nonsense?

[rezzie]

look no further than this post to know why every other guilds leadership hates dealing with aftermath. To them 2 wrongs = a right.
They will blatantly fuck you over than point to something that happened months ago to justify why its ok for them to then purposely do something like this.

Look no further than this post to know why Aftermath tires of dealing with every other guild's leadership.

To us, we want to be held to the same standard as other guilds. When we "trained" a guild who were sitting in a dangerous spot, we ate a 2x concession and had loot deleted. When we were trained in a dangerous spot, we get called out for not camping.

We're not the ones that dug out logs from 2016 to try and prove a point on a dispute a few weeks ago.

[Viscere]

You should all chill the fuck out , we are all gearing our 16th alt with primals by now

wow classic around the corner

no need 2 be mad

[Wonkie]

Primal is far and away the biggest melee upgrade in Velious.

Enjoy your +10 HP AM

[Maliant]

It was your officers looking out for you with the FTE limits right?

You guys burning yourselves out contesting 3 mobs in one zone that drop nothing most of the time was impacting your ability to compete on actual raid targets.

Credit where credit is duo though, you managed to get almost as many primals as us in that time.

False, care to post stats on amount of primal 1hers AM has got in 2019? There is a reason we posted a list and you did not. Also I don't even know what you mean by "FTE limits"...

Oof.

[Ripqozko]

Remember when raiding with lord bob counted as kills? Grats on lady vox

[Daloon]

Keep it up AG. 30 primals, 30 Klandicars. Dont let anyone tell you different. Yall ROCK!

[bspa0700]

The odds of that occurring due to chance alone are less than 1/10th of 1 percent.

And yet, its what happened. There was no trick to confirming this. We just got the info we could, and took a swing at an 8 hour raid because we wanted to. Tunare was up for days/weeks at a time then, anyone could have done it.


I know you guys got your primals in 2016 but the guild to get them in 2019 is still AG. Just remember ST is a marathon not a sprint, don't burn yourselves out. Good luck out there.
Very much enjoying the burnout narrative. Should we talk about how this actually goes down?

[Heebs13]

Does RnF drop loot? Cause if not I think today we've empirically observed the claim that AM only cares about loot is false.

[P99Druid]

Pretty sure Fran didn’t leave the UN channel or the game because of any one incident, and he hasn’t left the game at all. He’s been pretty active the last week or two.

You can talk trash about mobs you won against Tempest or AW, but if you know of any known cheaters or RMTers in Riot, let me know and provide some evidence and I’ll remove them myself. I’m in the UN channel now, so you know where to find me.

Baylan white knighting now? Wasn't he the dude intentionally training the zonein during the last couple weeks of non rooted dragons while people were engaged on Dragons?

[Arkanjil]

Let me drop some facts on your shit post.

I mean, in the last year or so, AG has gotten:

Primal Velium Battlehammer: 12
Primal Velium Spear: 8
Primal Velium Warsword: 11
Primal 2hb: 19
Primal 2hs/2hp: 1,785 (seriously, so many rots I can't even count em)

AG has a total of 104 keyed people.

That's 31 Primal 1hers, and we also don't have 300+ keyed people all trying to bid for em.

How many 1hers has AM gotten to feed their 300+ keyed people in the last year?

Just curious.

Also, pretty sure AG just got two 1h primals in the last week.

OP mad about that?

Probably.

Keep having fun bidding against the 130 other people in your zerg while AG is over here doing more with less. Hell.. we could team up with 2 other guilds, have to split loot 3 ways, and still get more pixels per member than you guys do.

AM constantly talking about wanting competition, get beat on 5 Statue CoTHs in a row, cry until the server changes the rules and makes everything a foot race.
(completely unrelated, just want to call out these nerds for being lame af)


Go shit on someone your own size.

http://i.imgur.com/Z1DWXBq.jpg

[Zekayy]

thanks for telling us what we already know op

sorry you played yourself by joining a bad guild and getting no loot

but tofat is in am so he does get loot

[Zekayy]

Being productive and being a decent person are two different things.

not everyone in am are bad people there are some decent people there just like every guild

[baakss]

Baylan white knighting now? Wasn't he the dude intentionally training the zonein during the last couple weeks of non rooted dragons while people were engaged on Dragons?

This is coming from one of the biggest pieces of shit on the server. All you do is sit between people and their enchanter epics for profit.

I've seen you contest people standing right there trying to get their Verina/Vessel epic pieces legitimately, but might not be as experienced as you in killing it as quickly.

I've also noticed your tracker never logs off. While you can claim it's some friend tracking for you, I think you're two-boxing the tracker.

[Hotel]

Hey Hotel,

Some RNF advice. Probably stop posting like Detoxx told you, every thread you make blows up in your face and makes you look bad. I know you are mad that the GM's deleted your guys' troll posts in our guild forum. I did find the ShowEQ accusations funny. Especially when you guys reset Tunare 10+ times after the changes to her showing weapons or proccing them and always got 3 drop Tunares. The odds of that occurring due to chance alone are less than 1/10th of 1 percent.


I know you guys got your primals in 2016 but the guild to get them in 2019 is still AG. Just remember ST is a marathon not a sprint, don't burn yourselves out. Good luck out there.

gotem

also

I dunno, I think this makes AG look pretty bad. A guild full of primal wielding nerds, and you still can't kill anything. Zlandicar sends his regards.

LOL

[P99Druid]

This is coming from one of the biggest pieces of shit on the server. All you do is sit between people and their enchanter epics for profit.

I've seen you contest people standing right there trying to get their Verina/Vessel epic pieces legitimately, but might not be as experienced as you in killing it as quickly.

I've also noticed your tracker never logs off. While you can claim it's some friend tracking for you, I think you're two-boxing the tracker.

Apparently you don't know which tracker is mine then, my tracker is gone before my enchanter ever hits the server every time. /shrug

[baakss]

Apparently you don't know which tracker is mine then, my tracker is gone before my enchanter ever hits the server every time. /shrug

I've done a /who shortly before spawn and /who after, nothing changed in zone but you logging in.

It's very likely that you box so that you can track both targets at the same time.

Though even if by some miracle you're not boxing to track, your racket still makes you a scumbag.

[Baylan295]

Baylan white knighting now? Wasn't he the dude intentionally training the zonein during the last couple weeks of non rooted dragons while people were engaged on Dragons?

Not sure what you mean. If you're getting hit on the stairs, it isn't training entrance. In the instance we're talking about, if I recall correctly, I got agro and ran to the stairs since I knew I couldn't train the entrance there.

Regardless, if you or anyone in your guild has a name or evidence of anyone RMTing in Riot, please PM me the information and I will evaluate and take care of it. I've PM'd Dannyl and posted in this thread, so let me know if someone is RMTing.

-Baylan

[Baylan295]

Not sure what you mean. If you're getting hit on the stairs, it isn't training entrance. In the instance we're talking about, if I recall correctly, I got agro and ran to the stairs since I knew I couldn't train the entrance there.

Regardless, if you or anyone in your guild has a name or evidence of anyone RMTing in Riot, please PM me the information and I will evaluate and take care of it. I've PM'd Dannyl and posted in this thread, so let me know if someone is RMTing.

-Baylan

Oh, as a follow up, I believe that was the night that AM pulled Eashen while locked into Nev and an AM tagged toon told me to kill myself in /ooc. They got deguilded (thanks Mon/DMX), but yeah.

[rezzie]

Oh, as a follow up, I believe that was the night that AM pulled Eashen while locked into Nev and an AM tagged toon told me to kill myself in /ooc. They got deguilded (thanks Mon/DMX), but yeah.

It was also the night AG killed everyone’s mages at Eashen and Dagarn and proceeded to pull and kill all the mage-only dragons, while refusing to concede and cutting off all communication with AM/Core/PS.

Fun times :)

[reevesz]

This also the time AM conceded Lady Nev, and proceeded to kill Jorl before FTE lockout expired or Lady Nev died?

Pretty sure this shit can be done all day long.

[rezzie]

This also the time AM conceded Lady Nev, and proceeded to kill Jorl before FTE lockout expired or Lady Nev died?

Pretty sure this shit can be done all day long.

No that was many cycles later and entirely within the rules told to us by Sirken.

[rezzie]

AG were locked into Eashen when CT spawned. They conceded Eashen after training us, then ported to PoF and FTEd a golem when still locked into Eashen:
[Sun Apr 28 17:59:03 2019] Eashen of the Sky engages Robot! <Azure Guard>
[Sun Apr 28 18:22:56 2019] Terror engages Chappu! <Azure Guard> (+24 minutes)

AG were locked into Zlexak. AM engaged Zlex, so AG left and proceeded to pre-slow Klandi (setting off FTEs) while still locked into Zlex:
[Mon Apr 29 21:17:10 2019] Zlexak engages Nubby!
[Mon Apr 29 21:40:23 2019] Klandicar engages Aleadel! (+23 minutes)

AG ran into PoF and their first FTE went out on CT, locking them in. They proceded to kill Terror while locked into CT:
[Sun May 05 21:43:27 2019] Cazic Thule engages Chappu!
Terror died to AG around 21:50 EST (+7 minutes)

How many mobs did AG concede based on ignoring FTE lockouts? By my tally it's at zero.

[reevesz]

Wasnt this mess hashed out during the summit? You guys keep talking shit here in RnF when it should be dealt with leader to leader, with perhaps a GM present. Yet AM keeps coming in here blowing up RnF as if its worth DKP to do so.

[rezzie]

The summit was derailed slightly by a digression on the merits of Bards.

You forgot to acknowledge AG's many "double FTE" violations though. Inconvenient when facts don't support your narrative I guess.

[reevesz]

Oh thats right..AM kept bringing up old shit that was settled instead of trying to work together as a server to further improve Server Morality

[Vallaen]

I agree this crap didn't happen when Reevesz was an officer of Tempest, they never came bragging about their kills.

[Hotel]

Server Morality

[rezzie]

Aren't you the guy who called his guildies fags because one of them had the audacity to tell me about your obsession with the Abashi on my monk?

https://i.imgur.com/LUUjwT8.png

Yeah.

[reevesz]

If you want to talk like men, I am in discord :)

[Vallaen]

Bike racks after school 3 o clock

[rezzie]

The people that were being referred to are those that have a history of being homophobic, racist, and sexually harassing women.

I just prefer to not spend my time with people who call me a faggot, or send unsolicited dick pics to married women in my guild, or be blatantly racist.

Are you still wearing a <Riot> tag, Thraqq?

[Baylan295]

It was also the night AG killed everyone’s mages at Eashen and Dagarn and proceeded to pull and kill all the mage-only dragons, while refusing to concede and cutting off all communication with AM/Core/PS.

Fun times :)

I think we can all agree that was probably the worst night of raiding on the server in... a while.

I'm happy to put it behind us all and focus on the alleged RMT that's going on in my guild. People put that in RnF. It must be serious business, but I still haven't gotten a PM about any evidence - so there really isn't anything I can do about it.

[k9quaint]

This thread is heating up.

[Arcler]

Are you still wearing a <Riot> tag, Thraqq?


Thraqq has never had a <Riot> tag, not really sure what that was supposed to mean, Monrezz.

[Kazik]

If you want to talk like men, I am in discord :)

Normally when people get fact checked this hard they log off for the day.

[reevesz]

Thraqq has never had a <Riot> tag, not really sure what that was supposed to mean, Monrezz.

Thanks Arcler :D

[Heebs13]

This thread got a little derailed when AM and Riot started arguing, but it's good to see AM's dedication to staying on message. How much dkp do you guys get for shitposting AG btw?

[DMN]

https://i5.walmartimages.ca/images/Large/160/027/999999-11509160027.jpg?odnBound=460

[DromalPhrenia]

Aren't you the guy who called his guildies fags because one of them had the audacity to tell me about your obsession with the Abashi on my monk?

https://i.imgur.com/LUUjwT8.png

Yeah.
Are you still wearing a <Riot> tag, Thraqq?

Ahahaha so that accusation was just another case of projection?

If you actually want to be in a guild with people who don't hurl homophobic slurs, Franswa, AM gives every chance a shot :) If you were serious about the standards you hold, I imagine either you or Thraqq won't be in Riot very soon.

[DromalPhrenia]

Wait Thraqq you really have a character tagged tempest and one tagged PS? Are you a guild killer?

[Fifield]

Spicy

[reevesz]

Wait Thraqq you really have a character tagged tempest and one tagged PS? Are you a guild killer?

Oh, that'd be a badass title if it would stand!

[reevesz]

Thraqq, the Drake of P99!

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/2OAyRuR.jpg

[Mead]

but tofat is in am so he does get loot

and you think that's better after making this thread?

bad

[Vianna]

While we're at it lets go ahead and fix Aftermaths too!

"Aftermath, a home for players that no other guild will recruit."

Except for the fact that most the players in Aftermath started in the other guilds on this server.

[Vianna]

Bro, our second COTHer was beating you too.

AM loses: "Oh, he can't be beat, we need to hold Tunare hostage to get the rules changed.. let's say he's cheating so we don't look like assholes."

Lol. Get outta here with that nonsense.

False. But continue spreading your BS. It is entertaining. Oh Look another AG train where they won't concede anything.

[Vianna]

Primal is far and away the biggest melee upgrade in Velious.

Enjoy your +10 HP AM

No it isn't...

Shaman's still have the buff to give mellee when it is needed. The biggest upgrades are resists and HP items. DPS is not why you win mobs 90% of the time. Surviving fights and not needing to waste resources healing raiders that aren't geared correctly is. This is a comical post.

[Vianna]

False, care to post stats on amount of primal 1hers AM has got in 2019? There is a reason we posted a list and you did not. Also I don't even know what you mean by "FTE limits"...

Oof.

How would you know what AM has looted off the mobs they have killed ? Unless you are admitting to somehow cheating and seeing what the mobs have.

[Bellringer]

How would you know what AM has looted off the mobs they have killed ? Unless you are admitting to somehow cheating and seeing what the mobs have.

https://i.imgur.com/CXgBLHN.gif

[Vianna]

https://i.imgur.com/CXgBLHN.gif

Sorry I am not in your guild. You can't go crazy and berate me endlessly.

[Bellringer]

Sorry I am not in your guild. You can't go crazy and berate me endlessly.

https://i.imgur.com/YqhfQs6.gif

[Arkanjil]

https://i.imgur.com/CXgBLHN.gif

http://i.imgur.com/dkKdUaV.jpg

[Baylan295]

How would you know what AM has looted off the mobs they have killed ? Unless you are admitting to somehow cheating and seeing what the mobs have.

http://aftermath99.org/eqdkp/

[reevesz]

Love you Bell

[dirty_duck]

who the fuck actually reads recruitment threads?

[Bellringer]

Love you Bell

https://i.imgur.com/qpKJR1d.gif

[Wonkie]

No it isn't...

Shaman's still have the buff to give mellee when it is needed. The biggest upgrades are resists and HP items. DPS is not why you win mobs 90% of the time. Surviving fights and not needing to waste resources healing raiders that aren't geared correctly is. This is a comical post.

actually, it is, and you are hella stupid.

[Vianna]

actually, it is, and you are hella stupid.

Actually it isn't and you are hella stupid if you think so.

[mattydef]

I might app for AG because of this thread.

[Viscere]

You convince no one but yourself when posting here.

AM offers a great guild environment, tbh the best Ive been in in my 9 years of p99.

If you are AG or Riot, im sorry some of AM's RnFers get under your skin, you could also just ignore their taunts...98% of AM isnt in RnF and never flame in game either.

As far as bigotry, racism or harassment, Detoxx is pretty trigger happy with kicking. The guild has been dominating for a while and everyone can be replaced, so if you get toxic, you instantly get booted.

Also green and wow classic are around the corner, I really don't understand why you guys get aggrovated over a server about to get dormant soon anyways

[shuklak]

P99 was just practice for the next phase.

[Fragged]

What about this one? Is this cheating?

[/URL]

[URL="https://youtu.be/mMoChTCI25w"]Video (https://imgur.com/a/JrpCf6v)

It was kind of you to provide evidence that you were lying. Strange that you felt the need to scrub the audio though.

Maybe that's not cheating? It's definitely trying to game the system for free mobs.

Come on now. Y'all came and sat on our nuts in our camp. Pulled a mob and wiped. Doesn't matter how many were able to camp or how many of our people were killed. You negatively impacted our ability to compete for the mob.

Remember that time when both guilds were competing for KT and you guys summoned mod rods and dropped them at the feet of AFK people, taking screen shots and blackmailing 2 KT's out of us for raid interference for standing on your rods..

Yeah STFU.

Still love you tho <3

[isiah]

Imagine caring this much about a video game, guys.

[Rang]

Imagine caring this much about a video game, guys.

Seriously wtf is wrong w all these nerds in here. Reeee! My 20 year old emulated dragon pixels!! I’m a legendary EQ playmaker, dawg!

[Jonabis]

Actually it isn't and you are hella stupid if you think so.

Vianna is right, AM has 10-20 shaman on every raid to ensure all of their rogues don't have to feel bad about not being able to proc avatar. Instead they can focus on the +5 to all resist / +10-20 hp upgrades.

[Karthil]

There's nothing like reading these posts to make me feel better about myself, and so much worse about the world...

[bspa0700]

Vianna is right, AM has 10-20 shaman on every raid to ensure all of their rogues don't have to feel bad about not being able to proc avatar. Instead they can focus on the +5 to all resist / +10-20 hp upgrades.

Guess they'll just have to settle for Vulak/Vyemm/Tunare daggers. Shucks.

[Wonkie]

Vianna is right, AM has 10-20 shaman on every raid to ensure all of their rogues don't have to feel bad about not being able to proc avatar. Instead they can focus on the +5 to all resist / +10-20 hp upgrades.

:D

i concede

[Horza]

Imagine caring this much about a video game, guys.

[Jonabis]

Seriously wtf is wrong w all these nerds in here. Reeee! My 20 year old emulated dragon pixels!! I’m a legendary EQ playmaker, dawg!

Guess they'll just have to settle for Vulak/Vyemm/Tunare daggers. Shucks.
Even AG, the "dying" guild, has access to at least a Tunare dagger. They just get to pair it with primal procs. Lucky dogs.

[gutterbrain]

http://i.imgur.com/Z1DWXBq.jpg

Geeze dude, this one is actually rough. Say what you will about our performance or the fte/coth drama whatever but this is a really low blow. Some of us were actually friends with those people and miss them.

[tylercanuck]

Geeze dude, this one is actually rough. Say what you will about our performance or the fte/coth drama whatever but this is a really low blow. Some of us were actually friends with those people and miss them.

Then reunite with them and win some loot to go with your primal.

[Prostatus]

AG the new Aftermath feeder guild huh? TSS really did go casual it seems.

[Jimjam]

AM should just have primals be a requirement for melee dps applicants.

[baakss]

http://i.imgur.com/Z1DWXBq.jpg

That's pretty low-class imo.

[Jimjam]

That's pretty low-class imo.

It's the biggest FU to loyal medium term AM members; those who weren't able to get a primal in the long past, nor had a chance to filter thru AG during their own ST era.

It's a solid move by AM to drain AG of ST keys and primal members though.

[Firenze]

Geeze dude, this one is actually rough. Say what you will about our performance or the fte/coth drama whatever but this is a really low blow. Some of us were actually friends with those people and miss them.

You guys are acting like they're dead. You can still do everything you used to do with them besides staring at walls with the same tag and attacking the same dragon. If you miss them so bad then send them a message and quit being drama queens. ;)

[baakss]

You guys are acting like they're dead. You can still do everything you used to do with them besides staring at walls with the same tag and attacking the same dragon. If you miss them so bad then send them a message and quit being drama queens. ;)

"Haha we stole your friends away from you!"

"LOL STOP BEING SUCH A DRAMA QUEEN!!"

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Don't pretend like it's not a low-class taunt.

And it's super disingenuous to suggest they'll still be doing things with them. You know very well most people fall apart over time after switching guilds.

[Vianna]

:D

i concede

You and him are idiots for thinking the weapon and proc is as important as resists and HP. The DPS gain from an Avatar proc is minimal compared to everything else for characters that can be gained in Velious. Now if you are a casual unsuccessful raiding guild like AG I imagine it is their best upgrade.

[Baylan295]

You guys are acting like they're dead. You can still do everything you used to do with them besides staring at walls with the same tag and attacking the same dragon. If you miss them so bad then send them a message and quit being drama queens. ;)

WTB Firenze XP Group!!

[Wonkie]

You and him are idiots for thinking the weapon and proc is as important as resists and HP. The DPS gain from an Avatar proc is minimal compared to everything else for characters that can be gained in Velious. Now if you are a casual unsuccessful raiding guild like AG I imagine it is their best upgrade.

there's nothing wrong with playing HP barbie, you do you man. I just think 100 ATK is better DPS for a DPS class than 50 health.

[Firenze]

WTB Firenze XP Group!!

Name a time and place!

[Jimjam]

The DPS gain from an Avatar proc is minimal compared to everything else for characters that can be gained in Velious.

Are you aware you're saying velious minus primal is better dps than kunark plus primal. Devil's advocate: Surely the fact that you need to state this shows the point is contentious and reinforces how powerful such items as primals are for DPS classes?

Either that or AG is misvaluing the ease to attain vs the +10% or whatever dps from 100 attack.

[Viscere]

AM should just have primals be a requirement for melee dps applicants.

[P99Druid]

Are you aware you're saying velious minus primal is better dps than kunark plus primal. Devil's advocate: Surely the fact that you need to state this shows the point is contentious and reinforces how powerful such items as primals are for DPS classes?

Either that or AG is misvaluing the ease to attain vs the +10% or whatever dps from 100 attack.

I'd take velious gear with no primal over kunark gear + primal any day

[rezzie]

Thankfully in AM you don't have to choose between the two. ;)

[Baylan295]

Thankfully in AM you don't have to choose between the two. ;)

But you do have to choose whether you want to her the Brit tones of Monrezz or Fingerz’s drawl.

[Arkanjil]

But you do have to choose whether you want to her the Brit tones of Monrezz or Fingerz’s drawl.

Fake news, Monrezz hasn’t spoken in TS in awhile...filthy Brit.

[Baylan295]

Fake news, Monrezz hasn’t spoken in TS in awhile...filthy Brit.

I heard his mic is broken, but we did get to listen for hours during the summit!!

[Vallaen]

Whoever made that meme is a dick

[Arkanjil]

Whoever made that meme is a dick

Lol!

[Arkanjil]

That's pretty low-class imo.

Let’s be real. The people who left you guys for us are great people and we’re glad to have them. They left AG for a reason and the reason is their own. That doesn’t mean they still aren’t friends and you can still reach out to hang out and shoot the shit.

I’m friends with a lot of people in other guilds. We’re competition, but there are people behind the tags that I really enjoy playing with and against. Those people that left wanted a fresh experience and I hope we provide that to them.

[baakss]

Let’s be real. The people who left you guys for us are great people and we’re glad to have them. They left AG for a reason and the reason is their own. That doesn’t mean they still aren’t friends and you can still reach out to hang out and shoot the shit.

I’m friends with a lot of people in other guilds. We’re competition, but there are people behind the tags that I really enjoy playing with and against. Those people that left wanted a fresh experience and I hope we provide that to them.

I'm not AG, but to taunt people over their friends leaving them for a "fresh experience" is low-class.

It doesn't matter that the friends wanted out, the taunt itself is kind of a disgusting move.

[Ripqozko]

I'm not AG, but to taunt people over their friends leaving them for a "fresh experience" is low-class.

It doesn't matter that the friends wanted out, the taunt itself is kind of a disgusting move.

you a millennial?

[Kye1709]

you a millennial?

Zing!

[Arkanjil]

I'm not AG, but to taunt people over their friends leaving them for a "fresh experience" is low-class.

It doesn't matter that the friends wanted out, the taunt itself is kind of a disgusting move.

I think you're in the wrong forum section if you don't want to see taunting...

[baakss]

I think you're in the wrong forum section if you don't want to see taunting...

Sure, but “haha you really sucked this cycle” is a quite different than “haha we stole your friends”. Clearly it really upset at least one person on a very personal level.

I know it definitely has shaped my opinion of you going forward.

[Arkanjil]

Sure, but “haha you really sucked this cycle” is a quite different than “haha we stole your friends”. Clearly it really upset at least one person on a very personal level.

I know it definitely has shaped my opinion of you going forward.

:eek: I don't know how I'll even sleep at night with you thinking so poorly of me. :rolleyes:

[Gatordash]

Sure, but “haha you really sucked this cycle” is a quite different than “haha we stole your friends”. Clearly it really upset at least one person on a very personal level.

I know it definitely has shaped my opinion of you going forward.

You're being a little melodramatic there bud. They were talking shit over primal drops and there are a million ways to stay in touch other than guild chat.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll make new friends soon.

[baakss]

:eek: I don't know how I'll even sleep at night with you thinking so poorly of me. :rolleyes:

It doesn't really matter if being low-class bothers you or not.

You are what you are, and you're not going to change because someone calls you out on it once.

[Mud]

You and him are idiots for thinking the weapon and proc is as important as resists and HP. The DPS gain from an Avatar proc is minimal compared to everything else for characters that can be gained in Velious. Now if you are a casual unsuccessful raiding guild like AG I imagine it is their best upgrade.

As a rogue, if I were limited to a single item upgrade from Velious, it would be a 1H Primal. Nothing else measures up in a one-on-one comparison for our class. Dealing brutal DPS and surviving the encounter are equally important; your raid doesn't want mediocre DPS and they don't want avoidable deaths. Primals also have good HP and resists which belie your argument against the weapon.

Prospective rogues, keep that Primal Velium Spear at the top of your bid list.

[Arkanjil]

It doesn't really matter if being low-class bothers you or not.

You are what you are, and you're not going to change because someone calls you out on it once.

https://i.imgur.com/POM7Ak3.gif

[Detoxx]

Well on a positive note, every single member that has left another guild to come here has been extremely happy with the environment and surprised at how friendly and welcoming AM is.

Do we get as many primals as AG? No, we certainly dont but we get a steady flow of them and Id bet dollars to donuts that AM still has more characters with primals than AG even after their success in Sleepers.

We choose to dedicate our time more on killing the mobs that are the true prizes in Velious. Lets take a look at some stats real quick:

AM has killed 45 of the last 55 Vulak A`errs's
AM has killed 57 of the last 68 Dozekars
AM has killed 51 of the last 63 King Tormax
AM has killed 68 of the last 73 Statue of Rallos Zek and of those 58 Statues;
AM has solo killed 73 of the last 88 Avatars of War

Grats on your primals folks but...I can guarantee you this is what real success looks like.

NOTE*** Aftermath has gotten 23 Primal 1 Handers since AG has been in Sleepers.

Lets break this down further: Weve gotten 1/5th the amount of 1handers while investings 1/16th the amount of time as AG does all while killing staggering amounts of the top 6 raid targets.

The numbers dont lie folks, keep pattin yourself on the back for essentially losing still.

[Detoxx]

oh and before people "herpa derp ho can you kill 58 statues but 73 AoWs? Yea thats us sniping the AoW's no one else could kill...

[Arkanjil]

Well on a positive note, every single member that has left another guild to come here has been extremely happy with the environment and surprised at how friendly and welcoming AM is.

Do we get as many primals as AG? No, we certainly dont but we get a steady flow of them and Id bet dollars to donuts that AM still has more characters with primals than AG even after their success in Sleepers.

We choose to dedicate our time more on killing the mobs that are the true prizes in Velious. Lets take a look at some stats real quick:

AM has killed 45 of the last 55 Vulak A`errs's
AM has killed 57 of the last 68 Dozekars
AM has killed 51 of the last 63 King Tormax
AM has killed 68 of the last 73 Statue of Rallos Zek and of those 58 Statues;
AM has solo killed 73 of the last 88 Avatars of War

Grats on your primals folks but...I can guarantee you this is what real success looks like.

NOTE*** Aftermath has gotten 23 Primal 1 Handers since AG has been in Sleepers.

Lets break this down further: Weve gotten 1/5th the amount of 1handers while investings 1/16th the amount of time as AG does all while killing staggering amounts of the top 6 raid targets.

The numbers dont lie folks, keep pattin yourself on the back for essentially losing still.

https://i.imgur.com/UNYi0DA.gif

[Baylan295]

https://i.imgur.com/UNYi0DA.gif

AM bringing up AoWs from 2017 like Michigan football counts beating the Michigan School of the Deaf and some high school team in its 1908 claimed national title season.

[Detoxx]

Are you the Michigan School of the Deaf here?

[Baylan295]

Are you the Michigan School of the Deaf here?

Naw. I wasn’t even on the server in 2017. And Michigan School for the Deaf never kicked Michigan in the teeth.

[Arkanjil]

AM bringing up AoWs from 2017 like Michigan football counts beating the Michigan School of the Deaf and some high school team in its 1908 claimed national title season.

Love you BB <3

https://i.imgur.com/kdvJf5t.gif

[Kye1709]

It doesn't really matter if being low-class bothers you or not.

You are what you are, and you're not going to change because someone calls you out on it once.

show us on the doll where the bad man hurt you

[Baylan295]

Love you BB <3

https://i.imgur.com/kdvJf5t.gif

I 100% posted that to troll Dagner, a well known wolverine sympathizer.

[zati]

I'm a rando who has never raided before and doesn't even have a level 60, but you posted this at 9PM on Friday night gratuitously shitting on a decent guild in my experience. This is an example of perhaps why people don't like AM.

Have a great weekend.

One star thread.

If you are taking the time to draft out this post we are probably doing something right.

This thread got a little derailed when AM and Riot started arguing, but it's good to see AM's dedication to staying on message. How much dkp do you guys get for shitposting AG btw?

I might app for AG because of this thread.

Imagine caring this much about a video game, guys.

There's nothing like reading these posts to make me feel better about myself, and so much worse about the world...

[Bardp1999]

AM has killed 45 of the last 55 Vulak A`errs's
AM has killed 57 of the last 68 Dozekars
AM has killed 51 of the last 63 King Tormax
AM has killed 68 of the last 73 Statue of Rallos Zek and of those 58 Statues;
AM has solo killed 73 of the last 88 Avatars of War

Server is defiantly thriving - one guild getting 85% of all relevant content.

[Wonkie]

As a rogue, if I were limited to a single item upgrade from Velious, it would be a 1H Primal. Nothing else measures up in a one-on-one comparison for our class. Dealing brutal DPS and surviving the encounter are equally important; your raid doesn't want mediocre DPS and they don't want avoidable deaths. Primals also have good HP and resists which belie your argument against the weapon.

Prospective rogues, keep that Primal Velium Spear at the top of your bid list.

You said it better than I ever could. Yay for you! :)

[Littul Jonn]

Server is defiantly thriving - one guild getting 85% of all relevant content.

But the rooted dragons will change everything guys! /facepalm


Also, stop being so bad everyone then you wont be mad!

[Jimjam]

But the rooted dragons will change everything guys! /facepalm


Also, stop being so bad everyone then you wont be mad!

Well, AM are much more active for old content again now, so I guess that counts as a change?

[Maliant]

The numbers dont lie folks, keep pattin yourself on the back for essentially losing still.


Who made this thread again? Grats on being masters of the p99 universe and all, but no one really gives a shit. Once again I think continually making these threads only can / has hurt your optics but it's your guild you can obviously run it however you see fit.

I am personally glad to be a part of AG, I may not have acquired pixels as fast as I could have in AM but that's ok. I still have fun raiding when I am able to these days (which is not often). Got to be around for a few hours of our PoG clear this cycle. We had a decent Tunare that dropped https://wiki.project1999.com/Fist_of_Nature / https://wiki.project1999.com/Sap_Encrusted_Branch for once apparently. Grats monkeys.


Detoxx and Co. are correct that if you are strictly approaching this game from a min/max perspective to acquire the best pixels in the shortest period of time AM would probably be a better fit for you.

I personally am turned off by the elitist mentality and some of the childish antics some of their members have displayed. I have always been proud to call myself an Azure Guardian and I don't think I could say the same if I was in AM.

Everyone is different, they will join which guild they think fits them. AG caters to more playstyles than just the hardcore raiders.

If you are interested in hanging out and raiding with a high quality bunch of people that raid all content from old world (The Hole, Fear, Plane of Sky etc to Velious content but don't get BiS loot as often as AM (besides primals) consider putting in your application today.

https://azureguard.guildlaunch.com.

Or don't. The choice is wholly yours.

[fuckshit22]

fuck both of your shit town guilds and give me a fucking ranger epic.

[Vianna]

AG keeps runners on the line all night. Loses MoTG. AM casually logs in and kills it.

[k9quaint]

But the rooted dragons will change everything guys! /facepalm


They did.
That is why AM made this thread.
They used to get 85% of the content.
This is not a haiku.

[kotton05]

Lol 2019 velious has me cringing hard

[Vianna]

They did.
That is why AM made this thread.
They used to get 85% of the content.
This is not a haiku.

Actually AM is killing more now than they did before. Should facepalm yourself hard there.

[Vianna]

As a rogue, if I were limited to a single item upgrade from Velious, it would be a 1H Primal. Nothing else measures up in a one-on-one comparison for our class. Dealing brutal DPS and surviving the encounter are equally important; your raid doesn't want mediocre DPS and they don't want avoidable deaths. Primals also have good HP and resists which belie your argument against the weapon.

Prospective rogues, keep that Primal Velium Spear at the top of your bid list.

BAHAHAHAHA.

This is why your guild fails.

[Vianna]

BAHAHAHAHA.

This is why your guild fails.

TO advance this further. DPS is not a problem with killing the content. It never will be. All the content outside of AoW and Tunare was killed day 1 of Velious. With Kunark gear and Kunark Weapons. The upgrades in this era that are most important and will continue to be important is what keeps your raid force alive the longest. It is way more important in regards to rooted dragons and linked guards. So if your guild is focusing heavily on Sleepers thinking that is the biggest upgrade. Leave that guild immediately.

[Valakut]

Lol 2019 velious has me cringing hard

gong show

[Heebs13]

But the rooted dragons will change everything guys! /facepalm


Also, stop being so bad everyone then you wont be mad!

Quick break from RnF troll mode here....

Those numbers he listed include a large period of time before dragons were rooted. Without even counting it out, he looks like he's counting pretty much all of 2018 at least. Dragons were rooted, what, 2-3 months ago?

I would be curious to see what the stats look like before dragons were rooted and post dragons being rooted. I never said rooted dragons would solve everything, but I would be willing to bet a larger portion of targets (not just NToV mobs) go to other guilds post-root than did pre-root.

The time a guild is spending on one target is time they can't be spending on another target. It takes more time and effort to clear to and kill a rooted dragon than it does to pull to zone. It probably doesn't make much of a difference when the pops are very spread out but when pops are bunched up (and especially on quakes), while AM is clearing through trash in ToV is time where other guilds are able to get bosses they couldn't get if AM wasn't otherwise occupied.

Obviously there are multiple factors at play - for example I would expect AM got fewer mobs when Awakened was still around giving them direct competition, and I would expect that similarly their portion of the pie will suffer now that Riot is going strong, but just off the top of my head I don't remember Kittens and Blood Guard getting the targets they've been getting recently back before the root patch hit.

You may now return to calling eachother losers over your elf sim.

[rezzie]

I was too lazy to check the DKP logs, but it "feels" like we're getting more dragons post-rooting on natural spawns, but fewer on quakes.

Everything used to die within 3 hours of a quake. Now it stays up for 10+ hours.

[Heebs13]

I was too lazy to check the DKP logs, but it "feels" like we're getting more dragons post-rooting on natural spawns, but fewer on quakes.

Everything used to die within 3 hours of a quake. Now it stays up for 10+ hours.

Aye, but I do want to clarify I'm not just talking about the rooted dragons in ToV here. It's been said before, but rooted mobs can give an advantage to the larger or more capable force due to leapfrogging and being able to handle the boss + N adds simultaneously with a larger force, so when things are spawning one at a time, I would definitely expect AM to have an advantage there.

But looking at the bigger picture, if AM is clearing to a ToV dragon and an unrooted target spawns - NToV or not (Dain, KT, Statue, WToV, etc) other guilds now have more of a chance to go for it than they would before.

TL;DR: Trying to race AM for a rooted target is probably a bad strategy for most guilds, going for a different target while AM is busy on a rooted target is probably a good strategy for most guilds.

[Wonkie]

TO advance this further. DPS is not a problem with killing the content. It never will be. All the content outside of AoW and Tunare was killed day 1 of Velious. With Kunark gear and Kunark Weapons. The upgrades in this era that are most important and will continue to be important is what keeps your raid force alive the longest. It is way more important in regards to rooted dragons and linked guards. So if your guild is focusing heavily on Sleepers thinking that is the biggest upgrade. Leave that guild immediately.

well cool, no gear matters and you've min/maxed all the joy out of the game. ill take big backstabs over hp barbie still. :)

[Vianna]

well cool, no gear matters and you've min/maxed all the joy out of the game. ill take big backstabs over hp barbie still. :)

Then you will continue to fail on complicated engages with your guild. Because they are prioritizing the wrong things and so are you.

[Ripqozko]

Then you will continue to fail on complicated engages with your guild. Because they are prioritizing the wrong things and so are you.

That's not true, Lord Bob helped them get kills this week.

[Jimjam]

That's not true, Lord Bob helped them get kills this week.

So the real priority is making friends?

Awwww, lesson learned, move to resolved!

[Hideousclaw]

AG keeps runners on the line all night. Loses MoTG. AM casually logs in and kills it.

We did keep runners on the line, and we tried and failed. Still tried. Who got the initial FTE? I ain’t mad we lost it, and I’d sit in that line again.

[Ripqozko]

So the real priority is making friends?

Awwww, lesson learned, move to resolved!

Or being a side bitch.

[Hideousclaw]

That's not true, Lord Bob helped them get kills this week.

That CT kill was a lot of fun. 10/10, would do again. It’s not the first guild we’ve teamed with for CT. Mostly that distinction goes to AM, I think. Which are also fun kills.

[k9quaint]

Actually AM is killing more now than they did before. Should facepalm yourself hard there.

Your DKP logs
So no face palm to be had
Might be a haiku

[Baylan295]

We did keep runners on the line, and we tried and failed. Still tried. Who got the initial FTE? I ain’t mad we lost it, and I’d sit in that line again.

AM asks for competition, tells others they will get mobs if they compete, then makes fun of others for competing.

/shrug

[Hideousclaw]

AM asks for competition, tells others they will get mobs if they compete, then makes fun of others for competing.

/shrug

I am convinced AM doesn't want "competition" and they can say nothing to change my mind of that. They want a guild to keep beating into submission.

I feel like competition is you taking 12 NToV targets on week, and your competition coming back the next week and returning the favor. Healthy sway in superiority.

[Ghostly]

I am convinced AM doesn't want "competition" and they can say nothing to change my mind of that. They want a guild to keep beating into submission.

I feel like competition is you taking 12 NToV targets on week, and your competition coming back the next week and returning the favor. Healthy sway in superiority.

They want competition, they're just not getting it.

[Detoxx]

I am convinced AM doesn't want "competition" and they can say nothing to change my mind of that. They want a guild to keep beating into submission.

I feel like competition is you taking 12 NToV targets on week, and your competition coming back the next week and returning the favor. Healthy sway in superiority.

No, competition is having a guild able to come back and kill 12 dragons in ToV. We cant control if there is or is not an entity capable of that.

[Yoink1986]

They are getting competition. They are just delusional.

[kotton05]

How about y’all compete by taking the rusty short swords out of your ass

[rezzie]

I am convinced AM doesn't want "competition" and they can say nothing to change my mind of that. They want a guild to keep beating into submission.

It would be great to have a guild to beat into submission, but we'll settle for Aftermath vs. Anonymous+Azure Guard+Core+Infernus+Paradigm Shift for now.

[Baylan295]

It would be great to have a guild to beat into submission, but we'll settle for Aftermath vs. Anonymous+Azure Guard+Core+Infernus+Paradigm Shift for now.

You mean Forsaken-Asgard-Rustle-Kelz vs Anonymous-AG-Core-Infernus-PS?

Kelz gets his own guild name because Kelz.

[rezzie]

Kelz gets his own guild name because Kelz.

That flattery will get to his head Mr Baylan.

[Ripqozko]

You mean Forsaken-Asgard-Rustle-Kelz vs Anonymous-AG-Core-Infernus-PS?

Kelz gets his own guild name because Kelz.

still less, we are #underdogs

[Baylan295]

still less, we are #underdogs

Your ability to conflate number of guilds with number of players amazes and astounds.

Not sure how AM can be underdogs given the numbers your own guild leader posted in this thread.

[Ripqozko]

Your ability to conflate number of guilds with number of players amazes and astounds.

Not sure how AM can be underdogs given the numbers your own guild leader posted in this thread.

sorry you are zerg guild now

[rezzie]

Your ability to conflate number of guilds with number of players amazes and astounds.

Not sure how AM can be underdogs given the numbers your own guild leader posted in this thread.

On a very recent cycle Riot had more players than Aftermath, Azure Guard had more players than Aftermath, and Riot and Azure Guard still teamed up to bully us.

We had a 70-something man lean strike force vs a 170+ man zerg.

https://i.imgur.com/Es9RZQQ.gif

[Heebs13]

The point isn't loot or competition, the point is to feel like you're good at video games, and p99 allows AM to do this by 'denying their enemy of pixels,' as Dannyl put it.

If the point was just loot, they would all play on a private server. If the point was competition, they'd actually try to foster competition instead of domination. The point is to win as much as possible while having an audience to feel better than.

Now that they have a rival guild again? "Oh you're a zerg guild so we're actually better still, we are doing more with less! We are underdogs!" Another guild gets the same pixels AM has via a rotation, alliance, or an AM raid ban? Those don't count, those are "welfare pixels." No targets to raid in game? Time to get that endorphin hit by trash talking in RnF!

Don't get me wrong, people in other guilds find ways to try to feel good about themselves too, but AM is only different in how they go about it, not in the core goal they're trying to achieve.

[kotton05]

How is this not already known this is how EQ servers work. Should be a lot more name calling in here.

[rezzie]

If the point was competition, they'd actually try to foster competition instead of domination. The point is to win as much as possible while having an audience to feel better than.

We're the ones consistently arguing to keep competitive aspects to raids, constantly going up against 5+ other guilds arguing for /random rolls or straight up rotations. We do want competition.

We also want to dominate - as would every other guild in a winning position. It's not to "feel better than" anybody else. It's to be the best at what we do.

We're the best guild on the server at using a small pool of skillful players to reliably come out on top when facing off against huge swathes of zerging players.

We kill more targets, we do it with fewer players, and we share the loot around so much we get slated for having 4th and 5th alts better geared than mains in other guilds.

Don't be one of the sheeple falling for the RnF propaganda from the Baylan's of this world.

[Arkanjil]

On a very recent cycle Riot had more players than Aftermath, Azure Guard had more players than Aftermath, and Riot and Azure Guard still teamed up to bully us.

We had a 70-something man lean strike force vs a 170+ man zerg.

https://i.imgur.com/Es9RZQQ.gif

Omg that picture is horrid!

[Heebs13]

We're the ones consistently arguing to keep competitive aspects to raids, constantly going up against 5+ other guilds arguing for /random rolls or straight up rotations. We do want competition.

We also want to dominate - as would every other guild in a winning position. It's not to "feel better than" anybody else. It's to be the best at what we do.

We're the best guild on the server at using a small pool of skillful players to reliably come out on top when facing off against huge swathes of zerging players.

We kill more targets, we do it with fewer players, and we share the loot around so much we get slated for having 4th and 5th alts better geared than mains in other guilds.

Don't be one of the sheeple falling for the RnF propaganda from the Baylan's of this world.

There are multiple behaviors that AM engages in that give away which is more important to you, competiton or domination, such as going after targets while your competiton is asleep or sending tells to players in rival guilds attempting to recruit them.

Look, I'm not saying AM doesn't want competiton at all, I'm just saying it's not at the top of your list.

[rezzie]

Look, I'm not saying AM doesn't want competiton at all, I'm just saying it's not at the top of your list.

Top of our list is to have fun with friends :)

[Detoxx]

Whens theres competition theirs winners and losers. If there was not, then it isnt competition. Just cause we win doesnt mean there isnt competition. I dont understand the confusion here.

[John Lennon]

Just imagine

[Heebs13]

Whens theres competition theirs winners and losers. If there was not, then it isnt competition. Just cause we win doesnt mean there isnt competition. I dont understand the confusion here.

The argument wasn't about the existence of competition, it was about whether AM wants competiton or simply wants to win while feeling like they beat the other guy.

[Hideousclaw]

The argument wasn't about the existence of competition, it was about whether AM wants competiton or simply wants to win while feeling like they beat the other guy.

"Oh no, the competition has beat us at the current meta for x mob. Instead of getting better and winning it back, lets change the meta so we can win again" - Aftermath

also, inb4 Detoxx starts saying AG has a cheater but provides no evidence. You'd think you'd learn to not do that when you got accused and acquitted of the saaame thing. but /shrug

[Hideousclaw]

y'all want the rules to change when you cant compete (asking for ST rotations, change statue CotH race because you lost) but you don't want the rules to change when others cant compete.

If you give a hoot about competition you'd be wanting to make changes preemptively, not reactively. Everyone knows sitting on a CotH bot and staring at a computer screen for up to 16 hours is unhealthy. But why change that when you're winning it? Oh, but why keep it when you're losing?

As much as I loved watching Furoar and Octaveous do the Coth/FTE duo with great success, I much prefer something that requires skill over reaction time. Foot races allow for that. Not perfect, but WAY better than CotH races.

Its like ring war, there is 0 skill in clickfest. its all reaction time vs eye strain. Glad it changed. We didnt even get to do our ring war on our cycle time because of an unlucky pop, but I 100% think its better. Its not perfect, but far better.

[Dagner]

Naw. I wasn’t even on the server in 2017. And Michigan School for the Deaf never kicked Michigan in the teeth.

Go Blue! Haters gunna hate!

I'm not playing as much these days but I have a feeling that if someone busted out the famed "OgreMath" of the Tempest days, laughs could be had...

proceed with the trolling