Don't buy players overpriced retro-nerf items

[Devil]

I see people already trying to pawn off MCTs, Fungi Robes, etc.

Seriously, if you are going to spend upwards of 100k on shit items like this that get turned into worthless doggy doodoo later down the road, I ask that you PLEASE PLEASE give your money to me instead. If you are dumb enough to spend that much plat on items that are obviously not *that* hard to get if there are already multiples floating around on the server, you either:

1) are a dumbass

or

2) are a plat-hax0r

Either way, your money would go to a better cause if you put it in a trade window with me and hit accept. Promise you won't regret it as much as you will in a few months from now when that ridiculously overpriced Fungi Robe is worth 500p.

:)

[Koota]

Oh look, another person who is worried about how other people play their game.

[Devil]

its the r&f forum, i can say what i want.

and you sir, can suck my cock.

[Koota]

Who said you couldn't say what you wanted to, or rant what you wanted to?

In the same mind set as you, I will do the same. Keep worrying about other players and how they play. Keep your cock occupied with your Kleenex box.

[Devil]

People are still going to do what they want to do, regardless of what I, or anyone else said.

It's a rant. I think it's funny that people could be at such a low intelligence level, knowing full well that this stuff gets nerfed hard in the ass, and yet still purchase it for insane amounts of platinum. Lets be honest the only reason it's controlled is because shit is permacamped for the time being. My only hopes are that most people won't be stupid enough to put that much money into the hands of jackasses aiming to rip people off because they can.

[Koota]

Let's be honest for a second.

The shit gets nerfed, as in, at a certain point - the shit that drops - at that point - will be nerfed. Not the items that are being sold. It won't overnight have it's stats changed, unless I am seriously mistaken.

So, let me just go ahead and end your thread for you bro.

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[spok]

You do realize that some people in the marketplace on p99 are really out to make pixel profits....

For those of us who participate in RL - this is known as an Economy. Some people / companies sell products / services for excessive amounts.

Go figure, the same model follows P99....sigh, guess you can never escape RL huh devil?

[Devil]

U mad bro?

You must be

A) Trying to sell this overpriced shit yourself

or

B) You purchased some overpriced BS yourself

Either way you sound quite butthurt.

[Koota]

RL is equally as hard as EQ, Spok.

Real talk.

[Devil]

You do realize that some people in the marketplace on p99 are really out to make pixel profits....

For those of us who participate in RL - this is known as an Economy. Some people / companies sell products / services for excessive amounts.

Go figure, the same model follows P99....sigh, guess you can never escape RL huh devil?

Oh well. Thats the way its gotta be.

I also forgot I can't make a thread in R&F especially where some butt hurt douche like like Koota needs to come and leave his mark

[Devil]

RL is equally as hard as EQ, Spok.

Real talk.

Yeah now I just need to find some RL exploits so I have the coin to buy overpriced computers from Dell and the like.

[Koota]

U mad bro?

You must be

A) Trying to sell this overpriced shit yourself

or

B) You purchased some overpriced BS yourself

Either way you sound quite butthurt.



No, shitting on people's already seriously sad motives has become a past time with my morning consumption of alcohol. You sir, are the victim of my enjoyment this morning. You and your horribly terrible rant. I can only fathom how angry other people make you outside of EQ, based around the same pretenses here.

My mind is wandering.

[Devil]

No, shitting on people's already seriously sad motives has become a past time with my morning consumption of alcohol. You sir, are the victim of my enjoyment this morning. You and your horribly terrible rant. I can only fathom how angry other people make you outside of EQ, based around the same pretenses here.

My mind is wandering.

I was unaware that you were the moderator for R&F. My apologizes to the -still -butt hurt guy who has nothing better to do than rain on peoples parade on a forum that a few hundred people at max view.

I'll let it go at this, I know you probably cannot possibly let yourself leave the thread without making the final comment, as you seem to be that kind of guy. So please go ahead and get your last meaningless post in, and tab back over to trying to sell your MCT for 100k to some hopeless moron in EC.

[quido]

I was curious about the issue myself, hence my decision to feel out the market on my fungi robe. The amounts people are paying for lots of items is sort of ludicrous, but hey, that is their prerogative.

I got a Froglok Bonecaster's Robe the other night and thought "hey this would be cool to have for my enchanter for resist gear." But honestly, I would almost never wear it - my insidious robe is better really. FBC is pretty damn common and I sold it for 10k almost immediately. One guy tried offering me 11k after I told him I had already agreed to sell it to someone else for 10k. The fucker actually got pissed at me and called my life pathetic (in so many words) because I didn't allow them to enter into a bidding war (I believe his name was Bunae or something like that).

So yeah, the market is hot and people are going to capitalize on it. What is this fungi robe worth to a person? I don't know. We're just going to see more and more of them. And yeah, at some point they will get nerfed. But in the meantime that robe could be ridiculous item for a twink. If you had 200k in the bank and rolled an Iksar Monk today, what would you pay to use that robe up to 60? I'd probably pay way more than is really necessary, but that's because I have a single-digit IQ.

I'm curious to hear others' opinions on the matter.

[Devil]

I was curious about the issue myself, hence my decision to feel out the market on my fungi robe. The amounts people are paying for lots of items is sort of ludicrous, but hey, that is their prerogative.

I got a Froglok Bonecaster's Robe the other night and thought "hey this would be cool to have for my enchanter for resist gear." But honestly, I would almost never wear it - my insidious robe is better really. FBC is pretty damn common and I sold it for 10k almost immediately. One guy tried offering me 11k after I told him I had already agreed to sell it to someone else for 10k. The fucker actually got pissed at me and called my life pathetic (in so many words) because I didn't allow them to enter into a bidding war (I believe his name was Bunae or something like that).

So yeah, the market is hot and people are going to capitalize on it. What is this fungi robe worth to a person? I don't know. We're just going to see more and more of them. And yeah, at some point they will get nerfed. But in the meantime that robe could be ridiculous item for a twink. If you had 200k in the bank and rolled an Iksar Monk today, what would you pay to use that robe up to 60? I'd probably pay way more than is really necessary, but that's because I have a single-digit IQ.

I'm curious to hear others' opinions on the matter.

Brother if you wanna sell it, then you have that right. And with things being the way they are, the seller basically sets the price and hell if someone buys it for the outrageous price they buy it for, thats their problem.

As my thread originally stated, I was aiming at the purchaser not the seller. Those willing to pay the insane amount for an item that eventually becomes next to worthless, are stupid at best.

But hey, if you can capitalize on other peoples stupidity, thats not your fault.

[Bruno]

To make this brief:

1. People are entitled to the facts on the items they're purchasing.
2. If they buy those items fully aware of what is going to happen to them, that's their prerogative.
3. If you're getting mad because of the fact that you're trying to be deceptive, that's shitty. I'm not by any means pointing fingers or blame, just keepin' it real.

[casdegere]

If you buy/loot an item that has certain abilities....If it gets nerfed, the items already found change along with those that haven't?

[Devil]

If you buy/loot an item that has certain abilities....If it gets nerfed, the items already found change along with those that haven't?

If they are retroactively nerfed, yes. There are a few that aren't, but most get the nerf bat.

[quido]

If you buy/loot an item that has certain abilities....If it gets nerfed, the items already found change along with those that haven't?

Some do, some don't. It depends on the item.

I think the new versions of items that aren't retroactively nerfed are given slightly different names usually.

[Bruno]

If you're genuinely concerned with the morality of players, I would recommend composing a list of the high priced items you feel are going to get nerfed and try to get a Dev's decision on what's going to happen to them. Finding out the facts should be the first priority. Otherwise this is pointless.

[Daldolma]

Legit rant IMO. I felt the same way about anyone paying > 15k for a CoS. It's just idiocy, and idiocy is irritating -- especially from rich people. If you can't bitch about fortunate morons in Rants n Flames, where can you?

[Devil]

If you're genuinely concerned with the morality of players, I would recommend composing a list of the high priced items you feel are going to get nerfed and try to get a Dev's decision on what's going to happen to them. Finding out the facts should be the first priority. Otherwise this is pointless.

We all know this server is meant to be as close to a mirror of a live EQ server as possible. That being said, most of us who played the game in this era know most if not all of the items that eventually get a nerf. There is absolutely no reason why the developers of this server would stray from that whatsoever, unless they completely changed their minds on how they want the server to be.

If you know of an item that got nerfed in live, it WILL get nerfed on here. I don't have to be a dev to tell you I'm 99% positive that is what is going to happen.

[Asher]

Let's be honest for a second.

The shit gets nerfed, as in, at a certain point - the shit that drops - at that point - will be nerfed. Not the items that are being sold. It won't overnight have it's stats changed, unless I am seriously mistaken.


I Don't know if you are new to EQ or not but it seems you are seriously mistaken.

MCT and Fungi Robe did get a retroactive nerf on live.

MCT is currently 3 10 primary/second, which is amazing. At some point, assuming they do what was done on live, all MCTs will be nerfed to secondary only and shortly after will stop dropping.

Fungi Robe, again assumming devs follow what was done on live, will have its regen ability removed retroactively. For some reason it also stayed on as the rare IIRC for quite some time and Fungi Tunic remained as the common drop for all of Kunark and maybe all of Velious too.

So while overpaying for a CoS may seem kind of crappy, someone buying a MCT or fungi robe is gonna get a rude awakening one day if they didn't already know what was going to happen.

It probably isn't going to happen but it would be cool if maybe the Devs could add some text on the item stating that it will be nerfed to such and such stats at a later date so people aren't ripped off.

Asher

[Devil]

I Don't know if you are new to EQ or not but it seems you are seriously mistaken.

MCT and Fungi Robe did get a retroactive nerf on live.

MCT is currently 3 10 primary/second, which is amazing. At some point, assuming they do what was done on live, all MCTs will be nerfed to secondary only and shortly after will stop dropping.

Fungi Robe, again assumming devs follow what was done on live, will have its regen ability removed retroactively. For some reason it also stayed on as the rare IIRC for quite some time and Fungi Tunic remained as the common drop for all of Kunark and maybe all of Velious too.

So while overpaying for a CoS may seem kind of crappy, someone buying a MCT or fungi robe is gonna get a rude awakening one day if they didn't already know what was going to happen.

It probably isn't going to happen but it would be cool if maybe the Devs could add some text on the item stating that it will be nerfed to such and such stats at a later date so people aren't ripped off.

Asher

I think they should just make an official sticky of Kunark era items that get retroactively nerfed, and those that don't, just so everyone has the ability to see it, and know upfront. There was a thread about it but it was disorganized and all over the place, just needs to be a list and thats it.

[Asher]

I think they should just make an official sticky of Kunark era items that get retroactively nerfed, and those that don't, just so everyone has the ability to see it, and know upfront. There was a thread about it but it was disorganized and all over the place, just needs to be a list and thats it.

Not everyone visits this site though. The ideal way, if they wanted to warn people would be to put it on the item.

Asher

[guineapig]

I don't think there is anything wrong with what Jebodiah is saying. In fact, I agree about the price gouging.

[spok]

I am pretty sure devs are gonna try and keep nerfs close to the way they were on live.

I am so curious though - Why is it the Dev's responsibility to notify a player that something is to be nerfed?

I have heard of some lazy shit, but this...is veeerrry lazy. Alt tab from your XP grind and google stuff. Back in 99 nobody had the resources we have to KNOW stuff is going to get nerfed. Be thankful we have a heads up!

If you buy something without knowing the item history and later it gets nerfed /qq in the mirror cause you were the dumbass who didnt do the research.

meh.

[Devil]

I am pretty sure devs are gonna try and keep nerfs close to the way they were on live.

I am so curious though - Why is it the Dev's responsibility to notify a player that something is to be nerfed?

I have heard of some lazy shit, but this...is veeerrry lazy. Alt tab from your XP grind and google stuff. Back in 99 nobody had the resources we have to KNOW stuff is going to get nerfed. Be thankful we have a heads up!

If you buy something without knowing the item history and later it gets nerfed /qq in the mirror cause you were the dumbass who didnt do the research.

meh.

Oh well, to each his own. It's easy to suspect that the majority of players here know about these items from their Live experience, and that they do get nerfed. The retroactive nerf item list sticky should be put on the forums. Maybe at best they can put an announcement up for a while in game directing to it, so those that DON'T know, can go view it.

Lastly, and kind of as a joke, I guess those who DON'T know that these items get nerfed, they can go through the "Live" experience themselves for the first time, when they log in months down the road from now and their Fungi Robe is missing the +15 Regeneration part. That is, after all, what everyone who played the game back in 2000-2001 had to deal with.

[Asher]

I am pretty sure devs are gonna try and keep nerfs close to the way they were on live.

I am so curious though - Why is it the Dev's responsibility to notify a player that something is to be nerfed?

I have heard of some lazy shit, but this...is veeerrry lazy. Alt tab from your XP grind and google stuff. Back in 99 nobody had the resources we have to KNOW stuff is going to get nerfed. Be thankful we have a heads up!

If you buy something without knowing the item history and later it gets nerfed /qq in the mirror cause you were the dumbass who didnt do the research.

meh.

I know if I was a new player I would want to google every item before I made a purchase. :rolleyes:

[spok]

I know if I was a new player I would want to google every item before I made a purchase.

I would before I spent a lot of plat on an item (10k+). It's pretty lazy and irresponsible of a person to not bother to research such things.

Lets do this. Have the devs automatically put the market value on items, when they get nerfed and how many are on the server. What the heck, lets have the devs even have a list of players who are selling that item and what they are selling it for!

I just dont understand that thought process i guess. I kinda sound like a dick, but it's really a dumb move to just buy shit without knowing anything about it...

[guineapig]

I still see people asking every day which dock leads to Kunark and how do I get to Erudin from BB. Of course, I'm guessing those people won't have the kind of money with which to afford any of these nerfed items in the near future anyway.

[Asher]

I would before I spent a lot of plat on an item (10k+). It's pretty lazy and irresponsible of a person to not bother to research such things.

Lets do this. Have the devs automatically put the market value on items, when they get nerfed and how many are on the server. What the heck, lets have the devs even have a list of players who are selling that item and what they are selling it for!

I just dont understand that thought process i guess. I kinda sound like a dick, but it's really a dumb move to just buy shit without knowing anything about it...

While I don't believe the Devs have to do anything, I do think it would be nice. When most people buy items they look at the stats on the item and safely assume those are the stats and they aren't going to change.

This is true for every item in the game except a very small number. I would guess less than 5.

This is nothing similar to GMs setting item values. It is letting players know that stats on these items will be changed in the not too distant future.

Asher

[nilbog]

We're not modifying the items to display a future nerf.

You can consider this... a benefit of knowing classic EQ.

The people who originally had these items in Kunark.. didn't know they were gonna get nerfed.

If you don't know? Well, grats on your classic experience imo.

[Bruno]

And I was going to make a post about the possibility of the Devs telling you to fly a kite, but I deleted it. Asher got it in though at the end of one of his posts. Just compile a list of stuff with some solid data from the past and you should be gtg.

[inyane]

i'm sure the guys with millions of duped pp really don't care if they pay 100k for something that gets nerfed later

just sayin

[Humerox]

i'm sure the guys with millions of duped pp really don't care if they pay 100k for something that gets nerfed later

just sayin

very few of those guys slipped past the devs...my guess would be single digits.

just sayin~

[Teeroyoyort]

I just sold a MCT. Now you've already expressed your opinion on the item. However, while folks are racing to 60, it's a sweet item. Yes it does get nerfed, but most likly not for 4 1/2. So until then it gets to be badass. Also I believe it gets nerfed in stages. For expample, it won't drop anymore after a certain point.

[Teeroyoyort]

4 1/2 months*

[guineapig]

First nerf is to make it offhanded only. It stops dropping a little later.

[Devil]

First nerf is to make it offhanded only. It stops dropping a little later.

That first nerf is enough to make it worthless I M H O

[Teeroyoyort]

someone buy my barbed whip! 1 more actual dmg, and delay, more usable classes!

[naez]

I will always go with something that is 1 more dmg 1 more delay. Mathematically speaking, the difference once hasted will be in the decimal points. And then you not only get the 1 dmg, you mite get more dmg bonus for higher delay.

[Arclyte]

thank you naez

[DevonG]

Supply and Demand for Absolute Fucking Dummies:

The cost of a product is dictated by its demand. Therefore, if supply is low, and demand is high, prices increase.




People will always pay a lot more for things to get them when no one else has them. What are you? fucking new?

[TallyDawg]

Supply and Demand for Absolute Fucking Dummies:

The cost of a product is dictated by its demand. Therefore, if supply is low, and demand is high, prices increase.


People will always pay a lot more for things to get them when no one else has them. What are you? fucking new?


They failed Econ 101.

[philbertpk]

Basic Econ. The price inherently will reflect the markets MAXIMUM willingness to pay. IE things should sell for as much as the majority of the market will pay (for middle end goods and pixels).