Alevert refusing to pay 10.000plat he owes

[natescraigslist]

Alevert refusing to pay 10.000plat he owes for lootrights
https://imgur.com/a/2Tgza0I
https://imgur.com/a/bMlGyBW
so since AM leadership cannot help hopefuly eveyone on the server knows this loser

[Wonkie]

you've come to the right place

[Wallicker]

This could get real juicy with OPs priors and reputation *subscribed* don’t let me down RnF

[Teppler]

It would be a good look on AM leadership to investigate this. Show you are a guild of law, order and the people.

[Detoxx]

Wheres the original conversation showing what was agreed upon? This is Siryado here, guys a nutjob.

[thiz1234]

Wtb 2 hoops for 20k

[America]

tabbed this one

[Teppler]

At the very least, I'd be disturbed as AM leadership if your guy doesn't at least offer half for the 1 earring. If he doesn't, that should tell you something is wrong.

[Troxx]

Siryado has proven himself the least reliable and most bat shit crazy twat-waffle on this server.

This thread will be fun.

[I Felt Nostalgic]

This should be good.

https://i.imgur.com/MrW5mUX.gif

[loramin]

How is Siryado not banned? He rolled on Shady Goblin, then ignored the winner and stole the goblin for himself.

Llandris said shortly thereafter here in the forum that the staff would be punishing roll-breakers, so ... again, how is this loser not banned?

[Ripqozko]

subscribed

[DMN]

Well, his punishment might not have been a "banning". That seems a bit extreme for sniping a quest mob. So perhaps either he already served his punishment, he never got one to begin with, or they haven't gotten around to delivering the punishment.

[Mikebro]

Siryado getting ripped off is alright with me... he's a top notch scum bag himself.

Moving to resolved.

[d3r14k]

Wheres the original conversation showing what was agreed upon?

Quoted for truth

OP, post your logs of the original agreement.

[Foxplay]

Original agreement screenshot/logs

If not filed under Siryado so nobody cares folder

[Hibbs]

At the very least, I'd be disturbed as AM leadership if your guy doesn't at least offer half for the 1 earring. If he doesn't, that should tell you something is wrong.

Wheres the original conversation showing what was agreed upon?

Lets see the goods!!

[Jauna]

Was the typing getting worse as that went on or am I seeing things?

[Rygar]

scumbag aside, if this guy did agree 20k for 2, I really don't see the argument of waiting to hold payment until both are delivered. Logging to a mule in EC takes like 2 minutes.

I could only see this if you paid a premium (say rate is 8k per) but you wanted to pay extra to get his next two. Even so, I don't see why you don't give at least 8k or some kind of good faith payment.

[indiscriminate_hater]

OP seems to have deleted his post from today in the Lord Bob discord in which he was frantically asking if anyone was willing to bid more than 10k on the hoop

[I Felt Nostalgic]

OP seems to have deleted his post from today in the Lord Bob discord in which he was frantically asking if anyone was willing to bid more than 10k on the hoop

https://i.imgur.com/NnoGhN1.gif

[Bardp1999]

Yado you are in Chardok like every waking moment selling these earring loot rights, why don't you just get the poor bastard another ring instead of berging out.

You have none of the original agreement in your screen shots and the buyer seems pretty dead set that deal is for two. If anything it feels like you are the one reneging on the agreement because you have finally burned out on farming these stupid fucking earrings.

It literally blows my mind people pay you to kill this mob for them and drag/rez. It's not even a hard camp (spotlighted by the fact you are solo/duoing the stupid thing 24/7 for the last 3 weeks)

[Madbad]

/POPCORN

[America]

Yado you are in Chardok like every waking moment selling these earring loot rights, why don't you just get the poor bastard another ring instead of berging out.

You have none of the original agreement in your screen shots and the buyer seems pretty dead set that deal is for two. If anything it feels like you are the one reneging on the agreement because you have finally burned out on farming these stupid fucking earrings.

It literally blows my mind people pay you to kill this mob for them and drag/rez. It's not even a hard camp (spotlighted by the fact you are solo/duoing the stupid thing 24/7 for the last 3 weeks)

too much ingame knowledge. filed under "gay"

[Bardp1999]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Tethler]

Top server scumbag getting scumbagged? Excellent.

Nobody is gonna feel bad for you, but please keep posting for our enjoyment.

[aaezil]

Siryado vs am? Thats like an autistic sperg fight of epic proportions!

[Heebs13]

It's a crappy earring anyway.

[Darkatar]

How is Siryado not banned? He rolled on Shady Goblin, then ignored the winner and stole the goblin for himself.
http://i.imgur.com/VIzv0mx.gif

[Zal22]

Thread needs a Yado response where he is ranting and typing like a 4 y/o asap!

[Viscere]

Alevert / Syrigar came up 30 mins late at a ring 8 roll once, even though one of his guildies won (me), he argued I had to re roll against him even though everyone had already left and I was about to turn in lol.

Guy is a piece of work and scummy af, I can only vouch to have him removed from AM.

[Hibbs]

Yado: "Hey man I need that 10k today please" .. meaning this plat has been owed for multiple-days? Why in the world would you not get paid as soon as he looted the earing in the first place?

[DMN]

Is he going to snail his way down to the spawn spot with 10k plat on him?

[Brocode]

even if yado not loved, scam is SCAM does not justify Alevert to be an ass.

[kjs86z]

scum vs. scum?

subscribed

[Lurgort/Sseri]

This should be good.

[kotton05]

Siryado deserves his plat. Pay up.

[Ghostly]

I think my favorite part of this whole thing is that he send like 10 people the same exact message asking for a high ranking officer, and then when he got the name of a high ranking officer, he asked them if he could speak with a high ranking officer.

[Ghostly]

Also, until you post the original agreement with him, it just looks like you're going back on your original deal. So i'm gonna stick with Siryado is a scumbag for trying to rip this person off on his second earring.

[kotton05]

You buy loot rights you pay up end of story. Also siryado did nothing wrong at the goblin someone had to do it. It was a blessing in disguise for real.

[Champion_Standing]

Pretty sure he's the same guy who would start fights with casuals in KC cuz he wanted to solo camps there at primetime and he couldn't clear it and stop them from stealin his merbs.

[Mead]

filed this one under rent not getting paid this month

[Zemus]

Hammered Golden Loop loot rights are now 10k! (Max)

[Ripqozko]

Least they are down to 10k now

[Bardp1999]

WTB earring loot rights 5k PST

[kjs86z]

WTS earring loot rights 2.5k PST

[Chardy]

Grats ROT Hammered Golden Loop!

[gkmarino]

How Siryado even still has access to this server is beyond me. The guy is nothing but a top rate DBAG, in fact it's because people like him lurk and play here that I'd rather stay away. He does nothing but rip people off, and cause controversy due to his extreme greed. All you do is waste staff time for stupid situations you create yourself. I hope you lose everything you have ever accumulated on your fake elf sim.

[Maliant]

Nothing quite as satisfying a feeling as seeing bad things happen to bad people.

[stowned]

your fake elf sim.

This elf sim is quite real.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Couldn't have happened to a douchier bag.

[Thugnuts]

I had good friends leave this server and never come back due to OP's behavior.

Hope OP gets scammed for more plat soon, and then AIDS.

[kotton05]

The amount of tears is unreal. Doesn’t matter if he rustled you in the past... Siryado is on the benign side of trolls. The real problem is selling the MQ , not siryado...

. Hope you get your plat man. I’m praying to brad right now.

[nawcor]

Refusing to pay for something you received already makes you look like just as much as a dick, pay the dude his money.

[Wallicker]

I wonder how much money siryado owes people to this day... /stirs pot more, sits back down and grabs more popcorn

[gutterbrain]

Hate to side with OP on this one but if the agreement was with me and it was 20k for two (which is zero discount) I would expect 10k payment on each loot cycle in case something goes left and we can only get you the one in the moment. If it was a discounted rate then thats a different story but in this case I would expect each drop to be an individual transaction.

[doormat00]

hello who can i talk to in AM that is a high up officer about alaert refusing to pay me 10k for lootright of the hamemred golden loop

[RyoGTO]

Isn't Alevert the level 60 dwarf warrior who was using Wooly Spider Silks on Drolvargs to FTE mobs from groups in KC, and to an entirely different group "claiming" Captain then not leaving when an entire group was already there because they missed calling the CC? Honestly one of the scummiest and least pleasant people I have met since Hasbinbad, probably worse.

[Clearmind]

Paying 10k to anyone who trains yado in Chardok. You can keep doing this, its fine. 10k for each train that kills siryado.

[RyoGTO]

Pretty sure he's the same guy who would start fights with casuals in KC cuz he wanted to solo camps there at primetime and he couldn't clear it and stop them from stealin his merbs.

Yeah, that was Alevert, saw him fighting with multiple people every day. Guy would even go as far as using spider silks to fte multiple mobs at once, he was one vengeful little dwarf too.

[Mikebro]

Earring not up

[America]

Paying 10k to anyone who trains yado in Chardok. You can keep doing this, its fine. 10k for each train that kills siryado.

this server would be so fun if this type of behavior wasn't disallowed because *REDACTED*

[kotton05]

Isn't Alevert the level 60 dwarf warrior who was using Wooly Spider Silks on Drolvargs to FTE mobs from groups in KC, and to an entirely different group "claiming" Captain then not leaving when an entire group was already there because they missed calling the CC? Honestly one of the scummiest and least pleasant people I have met since Hasbinbad, probably worse.

What did hasbinbad do to you? He bought me an entire steam library of games and every god in smite years ago for no reason at all. Shocks me you call him the least pleasant. He had his moments but this sounds really personal

[Teppler]

I had good friends leave this server and never come back due to OP's behavior.

Hope OP gets scammed for more plat soon, and then AIDS.

Yeah that’s not the way things go. You need to catch him on something he’s does wrong and push for punishment on that. Going outside the lines reeks of sleaze.

[Duane]

Too lazy to embed images, but here is a gem from a buddy of mine

https://imgur.com/a/19T29od

[loramin]

Too lazy to embed images, but here is a gem from a buddy of mine

https://imgur.com/a/19T29od

Heh, literally all you had to do was click the little "mountain and sun" icon and then paste into that instead of pasting into the text box. You were one click away man!

But thanks, that exchange was quite entertaining.

[Mead]

sexual slurs

[Duane]

Loramin, when I wanted incorrect leveling information, I'll be sure to seek you out.

[America]

always loved Dwayne's forum persona

[Pyrrhica]

Liking this thread

[kjs86z]

lol utmost respect for parachute

[I Felt Nostalgic]

Too lazy to embed images, but here is a gem from a buddy of mine

https://imgur.com/a/19T29od

That one dude is projecting hella hard.

[Legday]

Too lazy to embed images, but here is a gem from a buddy of mine

https://imgur.com/a/19T29od

Actually lol'd... Has this ever been on the forums before? Deserves its own thread.

[Darkatar]

https://imgur.com/a/19T29od

https://i.imgur.com/ITWOavN.gif

[loramin]

Loramin, when I wanted incorrect leveling information, I'll be sure to seek you out.

Hey now, no need to get salty just because you can't handle the incredibly complex technology of clicking on a button :p

[America]

righteous imgur album. thats what i like to see

[Phenyo]

Loramin, when I wanted incorrect leveling information, I'll be sure to seek you out.

this made me laugh harder than it should

[rictus204]

hah, parachute seems alright for being a gnome!

[Pint]

How shit do you have to be to so obviously be in the right and still get shit on for it lol

[I Felt Nostalgic]

How shit do you have to be to so obviously be in the right and still get shit on for it lol

It speaks volumes on the content of that persons character for sure.

[GinnasP99]

I miss Airborn =( hope he's doing well

[Eradication]

Too lazy to embed images, but here is a gem from a buddy of mine

https://imgur.com/a/19T29od

Hilarious

[Misek84]

Lol gotta love karma

If Siryado was even half a decent person I’m sure most people would side with him. However, he isnt thus no one even cares if he gets ripped off. Its same thing when a rapist gets raped or a thief gets robbed, no one cares.

Maybe siryado should try being a better person instead of crying about getting ripped off, especially on a server where reputation matters.

[Maschenny]

I'm pretty sure Siryado is foreign and doesn't understand

[aaezil]

hello who can i talk to in AM that is a high up officer about alaert refusing to pay me 10k for lootright of the hamemred golden loop

[Lordgordon]

Loramin=siryado .

[d3r14k]

Loramin=siryado .

I love Loramin, but this would be the twist of the century.

Swish = Sirken would be more likely, and even that is like a 0.002% chance.

[bigjeff100]

Alevert refusing to pay 10.000plat he owes for lootrights
https://imgur.com/a/2Tgza0I
https://imgur.com/a/bMlGyBW
so since AM leadership cannot help hopefuly eveyone on the server knows this loser

Wow man... Really?

[loramin]

Loramin=siryado .

LOL I'd be busted for 2-boxing if that was the case: we were both at that Shady Goblin roll where Siryado stole the goblin from twenty-odd people (after rolling for it and losing).

Also, as a former Literature major, I'm not sure I have it in me to butcher the English language the way Siryado does :p

[ErlickBachman]

Hey now, no need to get salty just because you can't handle the incredibly complex technology of clicking on a button :p

I mean...you moved Scout clickfest to a roll because you couldn't handle the "incredibly complex technology of clicking on a button." ;)

[bigjeff100]

Wow.. Shame on the couple of posters grilling Loramin. The dude is legitimately helpful and always means well.. Stay on topic you turds, Loramin is not an issue.

[loramin]

Loramin=siryado .

I mean...you moved Scout clickfest to a roll because you couldn't handle the "incredibly complex technology of clicking on a button." ;)

Wow.. Shame on the couple of posters grilling Loramin. The dude is legitimately helpful and always means well.. Stay on topic you turds, Loramin is not an issue.


https://i.imgur.com/pphVWP6.gif?noredirect

[nyclin]

i especially like the part where siryado goes full retard and starts sending tells to every AM officer whose name he knows without even waiting for someone to respond

praise Alevert for fucking over a noted shitbag

[ErlickBachman]

https://i.imgur.com/pphVWP6.gif?noredirect

10740

All joking aside. Refusing to pay after a single loot is stupid. I don't know Siryado, but I've heard rumblings of his character being in poor standard. However, if you buy an item, loot right or not, you should pay the other person. If its multiple loot rights of the same item, then you pay the person after each one. It's common decency.

[gkmarino]

It's common decency.
We left that realm when Siryado was a subject.

[indiscriminate_hater]

loramin = swish = greengrocer = sirken

heard it here first

[Heebs13]

loramin = swish = greengrocer = sirken

heard it here first

Speaking of Swish, where is he? He should have chimed in about red server by now.

[Mead]

Speaking of Swish, where is he? He should have chimed in about red server by now.

he's barred from starbucks and the library

[America]

what if Japan was an admin all along? she does still have 2010 accounts...

[Duane]

Actually lol'd... Has this ever been on the forums before? Deserves its own thread.

Nah, but this thread needed more entertainment.

[Rang]

Rent's due 1st yado gotta pay them bills

[aaezil]

Wow.. Shame on the couple of posters grilling Loramin. The dude is legitimately helpful and always means well.. Stay on topic you turds, Loramin is not an issue.

I mean loramin is nearly as self important as rygar, which is at least annoying

[Gatordash]

Legend has it that he still camps Chardok to sell earring loot rights to this day...

[Wed Mar 20 21:34:23 2019] [60 Grandmaster] Siryado (Iksar) <Triumvirate> ZONE: chardok

[Nexii]

Legend has it that he still camps Chardok to sell earring loot rights to this day...

[Wed Mar 20 21:34:23 2019] [60 Grandmaster] Siryado (Iksar) <Triumvirate> ZONE: chardok

What else to do when no guild will take you :/

[Arkanjil]

This thread is hilarious. That seb drag link was $$$

[bodenn]

https://i.imgur.com/pphVWP6.gif?noredirect

KEK

[Bardp1999]

This is going to make the sig of the guy with all the backfire thread links in it

[Jimjam]

I thought Siryado was Bootyk's non-ec face...

[Zal22]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31725

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318138

[Zal22]

Ok first link went really wrong

[Legday]

How shit do you have to be to so obviously be in the right and still get shit on for it lol

I passed out and hit my head off of the table when I tried to read this sentence.

[Darkatar]

https://i.imgur.com/MEtjZ1j.gif

[bigjeff100]

I mean loramin is nearly as self important as rygar, which is at least annoying

Why do you let stupid shit in life bother you?

[loramin]

Why do you let stupid shit in life bother you?

Envy.

https://i.imgur.com/24cXkoL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Bq8brYU.jpg

[bigjeff100]

It's sad.

[Lewkeng]

ya all buggin out, he offered to pay for 2 earring, the deal wasnt 10k each, why pay for half of a product, i wouldnt pay either till the deal was deliveried, deal was 20 for two, one drops, he looks for a higher bidder, takes longer to deliver, i dont blame him the way hes talking he probly seen he could get more each and tryna sell off as they come till he dont get a bidder then deliver on his deal. /shrug He trusted him in the begining of the deal, trust him till the end.

[America]

belly button fuzz on my knife or butt hole lint on my dick

[remen]

ya all buggin out, he offered to pay for 2 earring, the deal wasnt 10k each, why pay for half of a product, i wouldnt pay either till the deal was deliveried, deal was 20 for two, one drops, he looks for a higher bidder, takes longer to deliver, i dont blame him the way hes talking he probly seen he could get more each and tryna sell off as they come till he dont get a bidder then deliver on his deal. /shrug He trusted him in the begining of the deal, trust him till the end.

I think this hit the nail on the head given Yado deleted his wts post from discord, and I've seen him a few times in ec over the last week auctioning these asking for 20k or more. Scummy move to make a deal with someone and then shop for a higher price behind their back, but not surprising given the OP.

[fastboy21]

In all honesty, I really admire the guy that stiffed him on the payment.

Stiffing someone who is about to be banned is the EQ equivalent of borrowing money from a mobster you know is about to get whacked...

[Mead]

Technically he didn't stiff him yet. OP didn't deliver the presumed original agreement which was 2 earrings for 20k. OP can wash his hands of him after he's paid for one and not give him the second for the 10k, which is probably what the buyer is concerned with given OPs reputation.

[Mead]

So what did we learn?

[Ripqozko]

So what did we learn?

We learned loops are 10k not 20-30k

[fastboy21]

Technically he didn't stiff him yet. OP didn't deliver the presumed original agreement which was 2 earrings for 20k. OP can wash his hands of him after he's paid for one and not give him the second for the 10k, which is probably what the buyer is concerned with given OPs reputation.

Not exactly. The deal has clearly gone south. He did get half of what he bargained for...and has paid nothing for it. Even if you don't think he owes him half the original agreed upon payment he definitely owes him something...which he hasn't paid him (i.e. stiff him).

[Wonkie]

it is a crime in 37 states to stiff someone of yado's mental capacity

[d3r14k]

Yado did not post in this thread nearly enough.

What can we say to bring him back around that hasn't already been said?

[Teppler]

It is bad taste to make a topic like this and not argue your case thoroughly.

[Hyjalx]

Lord BoB discord:

discord.gg/PDGbx76

[aaezil]

yeah im jealous of possibly downs and or aspergers basement dwellers who has an “episode” and writes 20 paragraphs whenever someone says green server or unclassic. You’ve figured it out! Lul

[d3r14k]

Imagine being so salty towards someone that you get irate when you see him spending legitimate effort helping explain things to people or doing constructive projects like improving shared information sites.

What a poor fate that would be, eh aaezil? Good thing you're not like that guy. That guy I hypothetically said you should imagine.

[America]

yeah im jealous of possibly downs and or aspergers basement dwellers who has an “episode” and writes 20 paragraphs whenever someone says green server or unclassic. You’ve figured it out! Lul

mad

[hobart]

I know most of you are poor and probably live with relatives or rent. And if you're a red player you're probably in a halfway house, mental institution, or a "guest" of the state.

In either case, if you do ever find yourself in a position to own a home you'll need to hire a contractor at some point. When you do don't ever pay them 50% at half completion. Withholding all payment until the full job is done satisfactorily is the best leverage you have to motivate them to perform. You don't want them leaving your job halfway to pursue a more lucrative job that popped up, do you? Hint: The answer is no.

[branamil]

yeah im jealous of possibly downs and or aspergers basement dwellers who has an “episode” and writes 20 paragraphs whenever someone says green server or unclassic. You’ve figured it out! Lul


aaezil
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[Yasi]

I know most of you are poor and probably live with relatives or rent. And if you're a red player you're probably in a halfway house, mental institution, or a "guest" of the state.

In either case, if you do ever find yourself in a position to own a home you'll need to hire a contractor at some point. When you do don't ever pay them 50% at half completion. Withholding all payment until the full job is done satisfactorily is the best leverage you have to motivate them to perform. You don't want them leaving your job halfway to pursue a more lucrative job that popped up, do you? Hint: The answer is no.

1) Congratulations on owning your own trailer.

2) It might be reasonable to agree on milestone payments.

E.g. in your case: once the contractor is done patching that leaky part of the roof above your 50 year old TV screen in the back of your 40 year old white trash trailer, you might pay him some of the agreed sum before he continues on with repairing the wires you illegally attached to the public power line next to the park.

You might choose to play hardball and ask him to get all work done before any payment, but then he might decide to also play hardball, get his other illegal worker friends and fuck up you and your trailer to make sure he gets paid instead of repairing the wire.

[Yasi]

To get back to the thread:

Paying 10k for the delivered item seems reasonable to settle the situation. Both can then agree on another earring for another 10k or just go their ways.

[remen]

In either case, if you do ever find yourself in a position to own a home you'll need to hire a contractor at some point. When you do don't ever pay them 50% at half completion. Withholding all payment until the full job is done satisfactorily is the best leverage you have to motivate them to perform. You don't want them leaving your job halfway to pursue a more lucrative job that popped up, do you? Hint: The answer is no.

This is a perfect analogy.

[Jimjam]

To get back to the thread:

Paying 10k for the delivered item seems reasonable to settle the situation. Both can then agree on another earring for another 10k or just go their ways.

Only if the seller actually would deliver a second earring for another 10k.

I'm not convinced that will happen as the seller has discovered other people will pay double or triple that.

I suggest a better arbitration would be 5k goodwill payment now with the remaining 15k paid on reception of the second ring.

Both parties also owe 1k to the Norrathian Arbitration Committee for peacefully resolving the matter.

[Tethler]

I thought Siryado was Bootyk's non-ec face...

Level of English seems about the same. It's possible

[Supreme]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhI88tg1Gqg

[Jonabis]

I know most of you are poor and probably live with relatives or rent. And if you're a red player you're probably in a halfway house, mental institution, or a "guest" of the state.

In either case, if you do ever find yourself in a position to own a home you'll need to hire a contractor at some point. When you do don't ever pay them 50% at half completion. Withholding all payment until the full job is done satisfactorily is the best leverage you have to motivate them to perform. You don't want them leaving your job halfway to pursue a more lucrative job that popped up, do you? Hint: The answer is no.


Most contractors require 50% down to even begin a job. This covers the purchasing of materials etc. The rest is paid upon completion. The fact that you don't know this as a homeowner probably means you are still rocking the pink bathtub with "gold" trim look.

[Teppler]

This is a perfect analogy.

I remember paying you half of a large sum of plat for a big job though.

[Valrok]

It says a lot that after 14 pages the logs havn't been posted yet of the original agreement.

[Supreme]

It says a lot that after 14 pages the logs havn't been posted yet of the original agreement.

Based on the screenshots and the comments made by both parties (conjecture) we can conclude that there was an agreement for 2 earrings at 20k. One party is requesting 10k for 1 earring while the other contends that they will pay 20k when 2 earrings are delivered.

Since this agreement (and contracts) is based around performance I would conclude that amending the agreement (as it was stated and not written) is something that should be easy to remedy. As one earring has been delivered and it represents half of the total expected delivery.

If the agreement concluded or was terminated the other party would still be expected to pay the 10k as one earring was already provided.

The alternative is to return the earring since the material object still exists.

[d3r14k]

^ This guy lawyers.

Please represent me in elf court the next time I need it.

[Valrok]

Based on the screenshots and the comments made by both parties (conjecture) we can conclude that there was an agreement for 2 earrings at 20k. One party is requesting 10k for 1 earring while the other contends that they will pay 20k when 2 earrings are delivered.

Since this agreement (and contracts) is based around performance I would conclude that amending the agreement (as it was stated and not written) is something that should be easy to remedy. As one earring has been delivered and it represents half of the total expected delivery.

If the agreement concluded or was terminated the other party would still be expected to pay the 10k as one earring was already provided.

The alternative is to return the earring since the material object still exists.

Lol...I know we talk about lawyer questing things but damn, he does it well.

[LazyHydras]

Siryado complaining about ninja? LOL.

[Yasi]

I like the idea of Alevert being forced into posting a video of him destroying the earring as it can't be given back due to no drop.

[aaezil]

keep it siryado is a scumbag

[indiscriminate_hater]

15 pages of people getting upset and all it took was a couple screenshots. Starting to think yado is smarter than he lets on

[kotton05]

15 pages of people getting upset and all it took was a couple screenshots. Starting to think yado is smarter than he lets on

Siryado starts the riots he doesn’t finish them

[hobart]

Most contractors require 50% down to even begin a job. This covers the purchasing of materials etc. The rest is paid upon completion. The fact that you don't know this as a homeowner probably means you are still rocking the pink bathtub with "gold" trim look.

You're wrong, are a terrible negotiator, or waste money on GCs. Maybe all of the above.

I'm always my own GC. I'll pay a paint store for paint, and appliance store for appliances, a kitchen store for cabinets, etc. The labor doesn't get paid until the job is done. Ever.

Fact remains, the minute this guy pays Siryoyo 50% for fulfilling 50% of the order, he goes back to the bottom of the list while shitbag shops buyers against him on each subsequent drop of the loop/hoop he is still waiting on.

[fastboy21]

You're wrong, are a terrible negotiator, or waste money on GCs. Maybe all of the above.

I'm always my own GC. I'll pay a paint store for paint, and appliance store for appliances, a kitchen store for cabinets, etc. The labor doesn't get paid until the job is done. Ever.

Fact remains, the minute this guy pays Siryoyo 50% for fulfilling 50% of the order, he goes back to the bottom of the list while shitbag shops buyers against him on each subsequent drop of the loop/hoop he is still waiting on.

You might have been able to strong arm some menial laborer by refusing to pay until the entire job is done...but you know jack about how the actual law works.

Congrats on being wealthy enough to dick over poor uneducated people who can't afford to take you to court.

[Jonabis]

You're wrong, are a terrible negotiator, or waste money on GCs. Maybe all of the above.

I'm always my own GC. I'll pay a paint store for paint, and appliance store for appliances, a kitchen store for cabinets, etc. The labor doesn't get paid until the job is done. Ever.

Fact remains, the minute this guy pays Siryoyo 50% for fulfilling 50% of the order, he goes back to the bottom of the list while shitbag shops buyers against him on each subsequent drop of the loop/hoop he is still waiting on.

I would love to see you build a house to code using your home depot parking lot work force you are describing. You aren't going to pass plumbing, hvac, or electrical inspections, thats for damn sure. I am a tradesman and have to fix shit behind the kind of laborer you hire all the time.

Alevert was obviously not his own GC even in the way you are describing. He saw an advertisement for a service, messaged the contractor, got half of the job done and decided he no longer wants the job completed and won't pay for the time and material that was invested to date.

[Mead]

You might have been able to strong arm some menial laborer by refusing to pay until the entire job is done...but you know jack about how the actual law works.

Congrats on being wealthy enough to dick over poor uneducated people who can't afford to take you to court.

It seems like you have a hard time with getting paid after you complete the job. Once again, nobody is saying you aren't getting paid at all. You just aren't getting paid until you finish.

How does that require your law degree?

[America]

Myself I'm a professional toilet unclogger. And if I make a deal to unclog two toilets do you think I expect to get paid for unclogging one toilet? Do you have any idea what a "contract" is? The deal is to unclog two toilets and i unclogged one toilet. As per the contract I haven't earned nothin. And you damn well better understand that in the real world, asking for payment after unclogging just one toilet erodes an employer's trust in you. In the real world, where I live, the second toilet gets unclogged THEN I go back and say motherfucker now pay me. And if he doesn't want to pay I pull out my dirty rotary tools and I spin them in the air and SPLASH WHIRRR a spray covers the man's office. And I say there's your unclogged toilet.

[fastboy21]

It seems like you have a hard time with getting paid after you complete the job. Once again, nobody is saying you aren't getting paid at all. You just aren't getting paid until you finish.

How does that require your law degree?

Right.

If someone has a contract with you to do work and they do some of the work AND you benefit from the work they do then you are required to pay them something. If you can't negotiate the amount of that something then they will sue you and a judge will decide how much of the original agreement they are entitled to.

You can't get out of paying someone if you have received some benefit merely because you claim that the work wasn't completed to your satisfaction. There would have to be more facts than that to just walk away from the contract without paying someone for work that they did actually complete...even if it wasn't finished, if you have received the benefit from the work they did complete.

The contract in this case has clearly broken down...nonetheless, the buyer has obviously received a good. He is not entitled to keep the good and all the money. The amount he owes might be half, less than half, or some other amount...but he owes something for the work he received and benefited from.

Sorry...you can't just not pay people who did work on your house merely because you decide to claim that the work wasn't completed to your satisfaction. It has to be more than just that to legally get off the contract without owing them a dime.

[Tethler]

Lol @ all these nerds getting lawyery over this. Can't you guys just be happy that someone shit on Siryado's chest and call it a day?

[Wallicker]

What if you were at the McDonalds drive thru line and ordered two Big Macs for $8 and when you pulled up they only had one? What would you do?!

[Wallicker]

Oh and before you go all chic fil a on me, let’s be real... Siryado is definitely McDonald’s

[Uuruk]

What if you were at the McDonalds drive thru line and ordered two Big Macs for $8 and when you pulled up they only had one? What would you do?!

What if velious had been out for 4 years and you still fucking play here.

[Bardp1999]

What if velious had been out for 4 years and you still fucking play here.

Imagine if you had played 3-5 years of Kunark before that as well

[Kayso2]

Right.

If someone has a contract with you to do work and they do some of the work AND you benefit from the work they do then you are required to pay them something. If you can't negotiate the amount of that something then they will sue you and a judge will decide how much of the original agreement they are entitled to.

You can't get out of paying someone if you have received some benefit merely because you claim that the work wasn't completed to your satisfaction. There would have to be more facts than that to just walk away from the contract without paying someone for work that they did actually complete...even if it wasn't finished, if you have received the benefit from the work they did complete.

The contract in this case has clearly broken down...nonetheless, the buyer has obviously received a good. He is not entitled to keep the good and all the money. The amount he owes might be half, less than half, or some other amount...but he owes something for the work he received and benefited from.

Sorry...you can't just not pay people who did work on your house merely because you decide to claim that the work wasn't completed to your satisfaction. It has to be more than just that to legally get off the contract without owing them a dime.

Are you claiming a painter who is contracted to paint a house can stop halfway through and be owed a portion of the money? Like an unjust enrichment claim? That might have merit, especially if the painter completely painted a portion of the home ie. the complete exterior, or the complete downstairs, leaving no section as can be reasonably divided only partially painted.

Defendant did get a complete earring. But, I'd argue that fulfillment of second hoop is actually worth twice as much as the first. Either of the drops will suffice for the first earring. But once Buyer get his first earring you've limited the Buyer's chances for completion as the earring Buyer still needs is effectively twice as rare.

Assuming equal drop rates, perhaps there is an unjust enrichment claim. I find for the petitioner in the amount of 6,666p, 6g, 6s, 6c.

[fastboy21]

Are you claiming a painter who is contracted to paint a house can stop halfway through and be owed a portion of the money? Like an unjust enrichment claim? That might have merit, especially if the painter completely painted a portion of the home ie. the complete exterior, or the complete downstairs, leaving no section as can be reasonably divided only partially painted.

Defendant did get a complete earring. But, I'd argue that fulfillment of second hoop is actually worth twice as much as the first. Either of the drops will suffice for the first earring. But once Buyer get his first earring you've limited the Buyer's chances for completion as the earring Buyer still needs is effectively twice as rare.

Assuming equal drop rates, perhaps there is an unjust enrichment claim. I find for the petitioner in the amount of 6,666p, 6g, 6s, 6c.

Exactly. I also agree that the amount is owed is not necessarily half (and almost certainly much less than half). On principle of the law, however, the purchaser cannot keep the earring and pay absolutely nothing.

At the very least, I would argue that the seller is entitled to the time he spent to farm the first earring not to exceed the market value of one earring and not to exceed half the original contract price of two earrings. I'd suggest 5k pp is a reasonable price to settle the issue and let both parties move on.

If the seller wants his full payment he needs to provide the second earring...and even that is probably impossible considering how badly the relationship has soured at this point unless they both agree to it (including a time of delivery for the second ring).

my advice, counselor, settle for 5k pp and put it to bed.

[Darkatar]

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[RyoGTO]

What did hasbinbad do to you? He bought me an entire steam library of games and every god in smite years ago for no reason at all. Shocks me you call him the least pleasant. He had his moments but this sounds really personal

Pretty sure it was Hasbinbad, not entirely sure, we were friends at some point, but I remember doing crypt with him (or maybe it was someone else in TMO or IB or whatever guild it was at the time) and he reformed the group with guildies without me right on top of me or something like that when I was the one leading the group, just because the guildies wanted the camp.

[hobart]

Pretty sure it was Hasbinbad, not entirely sure, we were friends at some point, but I remember doing crypt with him (or maybe it was someone else in TMO or IB or whatever guild it was at the time) and he reformed the group with guildies without me right on top of me or something like that when I was the one leading the group, just because the guildies wanted the camp.

So, someone (who you think might have been a friend) did something to you when you might have been leading a group? Or so you think, but you're not sure? Outrageous!

[RyoGTO]

So, someone (who you think might have been a friend) did something to you when you might have been leading a group? Or so you think, but you're not sure? Outrageous!

Yeah really concerned with filling you in with all the specifics of events that happened 8 years ago just hang tight I'll dm you the details!

[Phenyo]

This is all over a digital elf earring btw

[Heebs13]

This is all over a digital elf earring btw

I bet you there are actual court cases over weirder stuff.

[Darkatar]

I bet you there are actual court cases over weirder stuff.

I feel like there's gotta be a rule 34 for court cases.

[Bardp1999]

Any updates from OP?

[Thomacles]

Mountains out of molehills.

Just let him get the second earring already, and see if he pays. If he does, case closed, and whining can stop.

If he doesn't pay, then call him out, name and shame. If he doesn't pay up, then the farmer is not out any PP, just time. .......not that big of a deal.

Personally, "loot rights" selling is a murky thing to begin with.

[Mead]

I would definitely watch this judge judy episode

[RyoGTO]

Mountains out of molehills.

Just let him get the second earring already, and see if he pays. If he does, case closed, and whining can stop.

If he doesn't pay, then call him out, name and shame. If he doesn't pay up, then the farmer is not out any PP, just time. .......not that big of a deal.

Personally, "loot rights" selling is a murky thing to begin with.


Farmer would be out PP since Alevert already looted the first earring and didn't pay for it, that's the entire problem here.

[Thomacles]

No, he's not out anything but time. The farmer didn't pay any cash out to anybody. All he would be out is the time he put into the camp. It's not like he handed cash over to someone and got nothing in return. You cannot be out cash that you never had to begin with.

[gundumbwing]

Farmer would be out PP since Alevert already looted the first earring and didn't pay for it, that's the entire problem here.

If I understand things correctly there isn't a problem here. From what I've read, I believe this is how the events took place.

-Farmer been offering loot rights of earring for ages with no takers.
-Person in zone notices the desperation in this pixel junkie and strikes a deal for 2 earrings for sake of self convenience.
-Sometime after the first earring is looted, Farmer gets an offer from another Individual for more PP.
-Farmer tries to use dumb-fu on said Person in an attempt to get payment for half of the delivered product.
-Person resists the attempt and demands Farmer oblige his probably non-binding contract of 2 earrings.
-Farmer hatches a drug induced plan and proceeds to open the RNF forums.

Seems a pretty clear cut case of "who gives a shit?" If the scenario did indeed play out this way.

[natescraigslist]

i payed out my partner his 5k because im not willing to let my partner get ripped of by my buyer being a POS .. so im down 5k and negative a 15k potentail gain in profit.. lesson learned fuck alevert and his bullshit and be more carefull selling lootrights

[jakerees]

i payed out my partner his 5k because im not willing to let my partner get ripped of by my buyer being a POS .. so im down 5k and negative a 15k potentail gain in profit.. lesson learned fuck alevert and his bullshit and be more carefull selling lootrights

Dude you tell em and I think it is also important to be careful on the other side of the coin that is presumably two sided and watch out when you are buying loot rights because I was angling to get a child's tear for a long time and finally got someone to agree to a 7k price but then they just led me in and let me die so now I have to haunt east freeport apparently waiting for a shady dwarf to sail in on the boat that can help me out which as I'm sure you all know is just torture for me as it takes me away from my cabin in Lake Rathe and my leisure time in the Karanas but I will get back I promise you that and in the mean time the people stopping by the bar here on the docks are very interesting and they tell some funny stories that I can't really begin to comprehend that involve staring at walls and rolling for the boy scouts turn in and people getting legal advice for their pet lions which I didn't even know you could have if you weren't a druid or enchanter but these people are like level 60 worried about pet lions that must be below level 20 and they are trying to get the GMs involved I mean what gives but I also know that pet lions can get you in trouble with certain people in south karana who are really testy on those things and elephants too now that I think about it but I just tell them to take it up with the aviaks because these people are basically my neighbors and I always make sure to check in with them before I start cooking in their karana kitchen but a lot of people think the centaurs are in charge but that is bull because the centaurs are self entitled pricks and I truly despise all the warriors that enable them by working with them for their precious armor so just hang in there dude because i know that it seems like pretty much everyone on the server hates you but you know that isn't true because it can't be more than 90 percent because there are quite a few new people here that don't know you so chin up and come hang out at my cabin anytime as long as I am there because I don't want you there when I'm away

[Tethler]

What if velious had been out for 4 years and you still fucking play here.

Imaging frequenting the forums of a game you quit to criticize people that still play.

[RyoGTO]

What if velious had been out for 4 years and you still fucking play here.

Soccer has been out for a while now too, people too play that. Should go troll them!

[Viscere]

Isn't Alevert the level 60 dwarf warrior who was using Wooly Spider Silks on Drolvargs to FTE mobs from groups in KC, and to an entirely different group "claiming" Captain then not leaving when an entire group was already there because they missed calling the CC? Honestly one of the scummiest and least pleasant people I have met since Hasbinbad, probably worse.

Not surprised about this.

He is the worst kind of scum even to his guildies. I hope he will soon be removed.

[beversami]

Dude you tell em and I think it is also important to be careful on the other side of the coin that is presumably two sided and watch out when you are buying loot rights because I was angling to get a child's tear for a long time and finally got someone to agree to a 7k price but then they just led me in and let me die so now I have to haunt east freeport apparently waiting for a shady dwarf to sail in on the boat that can help me out which as I'm sure you all know is just torture for me as it takes me away from my cabin in Lake Rathe and my leisure time in the Karanas but I will get back I promise you that and in the mean time the people stopping by the bar here on the docks are very interesting and they tell some funny stories that I can't really begin to comprehend that involve staring at walls and rolling for the boy scouts turn in and people getting legal advice for their pet lions which I didn't even know you could have if you weren't a druid or enchanter but these people are like level 60 worried about pet lions that must be below level 20 and they are trying to get the GMs involved I mean what gives but I also know that pet lions can get you in trouble with certain people in south karana who are really testy on those things and elephants too now that I think about it but I just tell them to take it up with the aviaks because these people are basically my neighbors and I always make sure to check in with them before I start cooking in their karana kitchen but a lot of people think the centaurs are in charge but that is bull because the centaurs are self entitled pricks and I truly despise all the warriors that enable them by working with them for their precious armor so just hang in there dude because i know that it seems like pretty much everyone on the server hates you but you know that isn't true because it can't be more than 90 percent because there are quite a few new people here that don't know you so chin up and come hang out at my cabin anytime as long as I am there because I don't want you there when I'm away

Because fuck punctuation.

[bigjeff100]

Because fuck punctuation.

Hahahaha!! That seriously hurts my eyes to try and read... Where did things go wrong for this cat in school? Where he decided one day, he had enough of people telling him what to do....
"Nahteachfuckalltheselittlesymbolwspeoplecanunderst andwhatimtryingtosaywithoutthatstuff.

[zanderklocke]

Jakerees might be the best poster on this site.

https://i.imgur.com/Q8m4q94.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/L3BgK4Y.jpg

[stebbins99]

Hahah oh man that is some great stuff!

[Jimjam]

Hahah oh man that is some great stuff!

It's an excellent satire on the p1999 raid meta; you have to stare long and hard at that wall if you want to get that endorphin rush!

[bigjeff100]

Hahah oh man that is some great stuff!

Stebb- Never let yourself become either of these 2 clowns.. You're the light this server needs! Leave this thread before it consumes your soul!! We need you!!

[stebbins99]

Lol ok fair enough! For anyone that has seen the movie Birdbox, I'll put my blindfold back on

[Dillusional]

No idea what this siryado guy did to piss everyone off but it must have been terrible to receive zero justice or sympathy in this situation.

[Jimjam]

I'm intrigued to learn who this 'partner' character is that has such domination over poor Siryado that he can extort 5k from Yado when their customer fails to pay up!

[fastboy21]

I'm intrigued to learn who this 'partner' character is that has such domination over poor Siryado that he can extort 5k from Yado when their customer fails to pay up!

I'm also intrigued...18 pages in and we just learned about some mysterious silent partner in the deal...things are getting good now!

Let the tinfoil hats loose and make sense of this situation boys...

[Triode]

Are you claiming a painter who is contracted to paint a house can stop halfway through and be owed a portion of the money? Like an unjust enrichment claim? That might have merit, especially if the painter completely painted a portion of the home ie. the complete exterior, or the complete downstairs, leaving no section as can be reasonably divided only partially painted.

Defendant did get a complete earring. But, I'd argue that fulfillment of second hoop is actually worth twice as much as the first. Either of the drops will suffice for the first earring. But once Buyer get his first earring you've limited the Buyer's chances for completion as the earring Buyer still needs is effectively twice as rare.

Assuming equal drop rates, perhaps there is an unjust enrichment claim. I find for the petitioner in the amount of 6,666p, 6g, 6s, 6c.

Unjust enrichment is an equitable remedy but not a recognized cause of action. Common law quantum meruit is what you are correctly proposing here: https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1692

[fastboy21]

Unjust enrichment is an equitable remedy but not a recognized cause of action. Common law quantum meruit is what you are correctly proposing here: https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1692

Firstly, unjust enrichment is, in fact, in some jurisdictions, a cause of action.

Secondly, unjust enrichment and quantum meruit are often confused by both law students and lawyers alike. They are not the same, as you correctly point out.

In either case, the essential doctrine remains: at the end of the day, you can't receive a benefit without expecting to pay something for it. There is a clear breach of contract here that resulted in the transfer of property from one part to the other. That property, in this case, cannot be returned and needs a remedy which provides some compensation from the party that received the benefit. That the relationship has soured and the contract has been broken would not change this doctrine.

[Mead]

Nothing gets me harder than boys practicing law on elf sim forums

#Younglawyer

[Phenyo]

i payed out my partner his 5k because im not willing to let my partner get ripped of by my buyer being a POS .. so im down 5k and negative a 15k potentail gain in profit.. lesson learned fuck alevert and his bullshit and be more carefull selling lootrights

oh boy

[Elerial]

i payed out my partner his 5k because im not willing to let my partner get ripped of by my buyer being a POS .. so im down 5k and negative a 15k potentail gain in profit.. lesson learned fuck alevert and his bullshit and be more carefull selling lootrights

Nobody cares if you're down in potential gain, because serverwide, you not being banned gives eveyone on the server a negative potential gain.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Go fuck yourself, you selfish prick.

[America]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.


eat shit communist

[Mead]

Righteous

;)

[aaezil]

I mean the guy willingly entered a deal with a known EQ felon (siryado)

[Tethler]

Did Alevert get his agreed upon second loot? Did Siryado get his money? Tune in next week on Dragonball Z!

[Elerial]

[QUOTE=America;2882713]eat shit communist[/QUOTE

Please post more. That avatar jif you have, the dwarf chick from Frouen/TheGoodPlace positively turns me on.

[vanix]

guardless of how much of a dickhead someone hypothetically is or isn't, payment is due for work done via cockblocking an easy camp and charging 10k for loot rights its no different than fucking zomgg poopsocking AC, as long as some mindless and easy task is taken away from circulation, and charged a premium for its nothing if not American