<Dawn Believers> Troll guild?

[HotCarlSagan]

95% of the time someone trains me or does something monumentally stupid they have a <Dawn Believers> tag. Am I missing something?

[DinoTriz2]

Maybe "Dawn" is slang for a rebirth, or respawn. Awakening at your bind point...

They "Believe" people should die and respawn at their bind point...

Oh shit...

Dawn Believers are a DEATH CULT.

[Rygar]

HotCarlSagan is probably greatest forum handle of all time. Stay unbanned OP.

[Muggens]

And the Second Sons are wreaking havoc on Red

[Quizlop]

Missed opportunity to make this a poll.

[Champion_Standing]

Almost as bad as Kittens.

[ErlickBachman]

I've heard rumblings that Dawn Believers was a front to an actual cult that the guild leader runs irl. Can someone confirm this?

[feniin]

Almost as bad as Kittens.

Kittens is probably the least likely to train you. Get out of here with bashing those beautiful cats.

[tycohunden]

Hey! EQ is a hard game to play! Not everyone can be as good at it as OP...
If they were a Troll guild they'd obviously be called Swamp Believers.

[America]

I've heard rumblings that Dawn Believers was a front to an actual cult that the guild leader runs irl. Can someone confirm this?

actually knew a group like this in Vanguard. They all lived together in a "gaming lifestyle" type housing situation. There was this overbearing leader guy named Destinova; he also played EQ I believe on Terris-Thule where I did. He attempted to have me move in to the group home with them when I was a little twink about to go off to college.

[azeth]

actually knew a group like this in Vanguard. They all lived together in a "gaming lifestyle" type housing situation. There was this overbearing leader guy named Destinova; he also played EQ I believe on Terris-Thule where I did. He attempted to have me move in to the group home with them when I was a little twink about to go off to college.

I played with Ngruk (Curt Schilling) during Vanguard. I was Fiori in Brotherhood of the Spider.

No way that wasn't the best MMO ever made til it ran out of content

[Muggens]

actually knew a group like this in Vanguard. They all lived together in a "gaming lifestyle" type housing situation. There was this overbearing leader guy named Destinova; he also played EQ I believe on Terris-Thule where I did. He attempted to have me move in to the group home with them when I was a little twink about to go off to college.

Yikes, would like to hear more!

[Tricket]

95% of the time someone trains me or does something monumentally stupid they have a <Dawn Believers> tag. Am I missing something?

This is a difficult situation for me to defend. When you open your doors to the world, sometimes unskilled players walk through. It is not a behaviour we promote nor condone, especially when deliberately done to grief another player.

If your goal is just to vent, so be it. But if you actually want some consequence to that player, name and shame. Who, where, and when?
I have a personal vendetta against players who train others deliberately, because it is known Bards are frequent culprits in this practice. It tarnishes my class because the person behind the keys is toxic.

Tell me who they are and I can deal with it directly.

As was addressed in earlier posts about DB, I would caution anyone prejudicing an entire guild based on the actions of the few.

[KansasComrade]

Yes, thanks for checking.

[aaezil]

can we talk more about HotCarlSagan

[Bardp1999]

Elon Musk laid down today in his self burrowing coffin. It will take him 23 years but eventually his corpse will reach the center of the Earth where it will burn to ash.

[fan D]

we will train yer ass

https://i.imgur.com/5S2XdIx.png

[Tupakk]

we will train yer ass

https://i.imgur.com/5S2XdIx.png

I believe. Do You?

[DMN]

I heard Alexandria Qcasio Cortez is in DB. She like running dat train.

[Smyd]

I played with Ngruk (Curt Schilling) during Vanguard. I was Fiori in Brotherhood of the Spider.

No way that wasn't the best MMO ever made til it ran out of content

Hands down the best. Good memories.
Was a raid leader in Midwinter on Gelenia until the game ran out of quality players =p

[Sacer]

Most of the Dawn Believers I ported lately gave 0 tip, even at level 60.

[DinoTriz2]

I hear Dawn Believers are satan worshippers and they sacrifice babies and listen to rock music

[DMN]

I hear Dawn Believers are satan worshippers and they sacrifice babies and listen to rock music

Makes sense that AOC joined them, then. But she only listens to the ocean between her ears.

[DMN]

AOC, Ms. "It's okay if you lose your job, it'll give you more time to do art."

What is it with Communists and art?

I swear their whole goal is to avoid work so they can sit at home and make macaroni pictures.

Infantalism.

[Tuurin]

AOC, Ms. "It's okay if you lose your job, it'll give you more time to do art."

What is it with Communists and art?

I swear their whole goal is to avoid work so they can sit at home and make macaroni pictures.

Most people's definition of "art" is truly garbage, and can only be supported by a socialist system. In a capitalist system, your art has to actually be something that people find value in (as in, will pay $ for). Hence, the need for talent. In a socialized system, you get paid whether what you produce has any value or not.

[America]

Most people's definition of "art" is truly garbage, and can only be supported by a socialist system. In a capitalist system, your art has to actually be something that people find value in (as in, will pay $ for). Hence, the need for talent. In a socialized system, you get paid whether what you produce has any value or not.

https://i.imgur.com/Uz3AWqF.png

[America]

I tagged along for some theatre scouting and saw a multi million $ anti Russian (the pussy riot girl's) production that involved a man being suspension bound and peeing himself while he was up

it was, like, a metaphor for Putin doing Russia dirty or something

Just saying maybe it's not capitalism vs socialism that determines healthy artistic scene but rather Jewish-liberalism vs not??

[FatherSioux]

Why was vanguard cool?

[Quizlop]

https://i.imgur.com/Uz3AWqF.png

As we stand enraptured by the stunning resplendency of Mark Rothko’s Untitled (Yellow and Blue) we bear witness to what can only be described as an unequivocal masterpiece of twentieth-century art history. A glowing aurora of shimmering color and light, the present work confronts us as the summation of its creator’s deeply philosophical practice, wherein he staged some of the most moving, transcendent, and simply breathtaking unions between material and support ever realized in the grand tradition of oil paint on canvas. Rothko once described his ideal vision for his paintings: “It would be good if little places could be set up all over the country, like a little chapel where the traveler, or wanderer could come for an hour to meditate on a single painting hung in a small room, and by itself.” (the artist cited in Exh. Cat., Riehen/Basel, Fondation Beyeler, Mark Rothko: A Consummated Experience Between Picture and Onlooker, 2001, p. 22) Executed in 1954, at the chronological apex of the celebrated period of Rothko’s career referred to by David Anfam, author of the artist’s catalogue raisonné, as the anni mirabilis, Untitled (Yellow and Blue) is a triumphant archetype of this artistic ideal: its radiant surface and towering scale elicit a visual and somatic experience that is prodigious and undeniable, compelling us to surrender to a sense of pure contemplation in the face of its painterly authority. For Rothko, art was capable of provoking in the viewer an existential sense of awe and wonderment for the sublime miracle of existence, and in Untitled (Yellow and Blue), as we stand suspended in its sea of meditative calm, we behold that capacity wholly and perfectly achieved.

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2015/contemporary-evening-n09345/lot.11.html

Note that this is only one of 17 paragraphs written about this particular piece.

[Tuurin]

I tagged along for some theatre scouting and saw a multi million $ anti Russian (the pussy riot girl's) production that involved a man being suspension bound and peeing himself while he was up

it was, like, a metaphor for Putin doing Russia dirty or something

Just saying maybe it's not capitalism vs socialism that determines healthy artistic scene but rather Jewish-liberalism vs not??

IDK- in a free/capitalist society, there's literally a definable value to work- whatever someone is willing to pay for something, that's its worth. If people are creepy enough to pay $ to watch people piss on themselves, and you're making money off of those people, and it doesn't endanger me or the public- go for it. I don't need to be a critic of other people's taste in "art".

I just think the public funding of art (other than literal public art, like stuff that goes in public parks/buildings etc.) is shady. If the art has value- monetize it. If it doesn't, then get a job and support your efforts yourself.

[maskedmelon]

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2015/contemporary-evening-n09345/lot.11.html

Note that this is only one of 17 paragraphs written about this particular piece.

I've found that most people who create art and especially those who identify as "artists"

1. have shit understanding of form
2. are unimaginative
3. are vegan

i dunno if there is a correlation between terrible art, lack of talent and abstaining from the consumption of mobile forms of life, but fuck me, it sure seems too much of a coincidence.

[CharlesBarkley]

Shut up

[DMN]

Jackson Pollock and his ilk pretty much ruined art.

[Halox]

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2015/contemporary-evening-n09345/lot.11.html

Note that this is only one of 17 paragraphs written about this particular piece.

I looked up other art by this dude and I can with certainty that I could replicate anything he's done, and so could any child over the age of 5. That is NOT art.

[America]

https://i.imgur.com/jJDm3FF.jpg

[America]

click for hires. this (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Lamgods_open.jpg)one's good too.

Theatre is similar. cheap political signalling about some American oppressed group and I'm supposed to let it stand in for the pathos of Chekhov, because since form doesn't matter if I'm not moved -- the problem must lie with me and my callousness.

I blame tech money.

[Tethler]

actually knew a group like this in Vanguard. They all lived together in a "gaming lifestyle" type housing situation. There was this overbearing leader guy named Destinova; he also played EQ I believe on Terris-Thule where I did. He attempted to have me move in to the group home with them when I was a little twink about to go off to college.

Eyyy. I was on Terris-Thule too. Who was your main?

[Tallboi]

Rogue named Oglop KS'd my mob in Najena today that I was having zero trouble with. He was a complete dick to me about it when I said wtf? I look about his head and guess what guild he's in?

[I Felt Nostalgic]

Rogue named Oglop KS'd my mob in Najena today that I was having zero trouble with. He was a complete dick to me about it when I said wtf? I look about his head and guess what guild he's in?

Petition and get him put on timeout.

[Tallboi]

I tattled on him. Dawn Believers leadership is legit. Nice to know they don't condone that behavior. As Tricket said it seems an open door policy can lend itself to this kinda stuff

[DMN]

Rogue named Oglop KS'd my mob in Najena today that I was having zero trouble with. He was a complete dick to me about it when I said wtf? I look about his head and guess what guild he's in?

You should've steiner-ed him.

[d3r14k]

The guy spamming this in EC doesn't help the guild look:

https://i.imgur.com/QvwyDon.png

Probably not even a member but got dam.

[Tricket]

The guy spamming this in EC doesn't help the guild look:

https://i.imgur.com/QvwyDon.png

Probably not even a member but got dam.

yeah just a low tier troll with too much free time.

Former member who was removed from guild and blacklisted for harassing non-members. You can see why we removed him without question - but now he's got a personal vendetta against me and our guild.

[Fammaden]

Bvmmey sure does know how to hold a grudge eh?

[Gravydoo II]

They are spamming the crap out of EC right now. Filling the entire place with text.

[k9quaint]

Bvmmey sure does know how to hold a grudge eh?

The clues are there!

[derpcake2]

throbbing tricket not up

[magikot]

He was spamming that for hours on end in EC and to members of DB. I think everyone reported him.

[KansasComrade]

He was spamming that for hours on end in EC and to members of DB. I think everyone reported him.

I was too busy masturbating.

[CharlesBarkley]

I was levelling an alt last night in crushbone when a level 29 Dawn Believers druid ran past everyone to enter the castle solo. 5 minutes later the entire zone was agroed onto them as they trained to entrance without a word except "run" after they already mowed over several people trying to level. One of the dopiest things I've ever seen. I then made fun of them and they went /anon to hide their guild tag and try again so I just left the zone. Figured I'd head to steamfont newbie-ish areas and semi afk some exp.

I get over there and there's a level 36 Dawn Believers ogre sk running around killing literally every newbie mob I can see for no apparent reason, leaving any unfortunate gnome or whatever with about exactly nothing to hunt. I asked why they were doing it and if they could leave up a few spawns but they never responded, just went around killing level 3-7 mobs in the face of newly rolled characters

This guild sucks

[I Felt Nostalgic]

I was levelling an alt last night in crushbone when a level 29 Dawn Believers druid ran past everyone to enter the castle solo. 5 minutes later the entire zone was agroed onto them as they trained to entrance without a word except "run" after they already mowed over several people trying to level. One of the dopiest things I've ever seen. I then made fun of them and they went /anon to hide their guild tag and try again so I just left the zone. Figured I'd head to steamfont newbie-ish areas and semi afk some exp.

I get over there and there's a level 36 Dawn Believers ogre sk running around killing literally every newbie mob I can see for no apparent reason, leaving any unfortunate gnome or whatever with about exactly nothing to hunt. I asked why they were doing it and if they could leave up a few spawns but they never responded, just went around killing level 3-7 mobs in the face of newly rolled characters

This guild sucks
Got names Mr. Barkley?

[Primordial Ooze]

I was levelling an alt last night in crushbone when a level 29 Dawn Believers druid ran past everyone to enter the castle solo. 5 minutes later the entire zone was agroed onto them as they trained to entrance without a word except "run" after they already mowed over several people trying to level. One of the dopiest things I've ever seen. I then made fun of them and they went /anon to hide their guild tag and try again so I just left the zone. Figured I'd head to steamfont newbie-ish areas and semi afk some exp.

I get over there and there's a level 36 Dawn Believers ogre sk running around killing literally every newbie mob I can see for no apparent reason, leaving any unfortunate gnome or whatever with about exactly nothing to hunt. I asked why they were doing it and if they could leave up a few spawns but they never responded, just went around killing level 3-7 mobs in the face of newly rolled characters

This guild sucks

Welp, I'm convinced.

[LazyHydras]

I was levelling an alt last night in crushbone when a level 29 Dawn Believers druid ran past everyone to enter the castle solo. 5 minutes later the entire zone was agroed onto them as they trained to entrance without a word except "run" after they already mowed over several people trying to level. One of the dopiest things I've ever seen. I then made fun of them and they went /anon to hide their guild tag and try again so I just left the zone. Figured I'd head to steamfont newbie-ish areas and semi afk some exp.

I get over there and there's a level 36 Dawn Believers ogre sk running around killing literally every newbie mob I can see for no apparent reason, leaving any unfortunate gnome or whatever with about exactly nothing to hunt. I asked why they were doing it and if they could leave up a few spawns but they never responded, just went around killing level 3-7 mobs in the face of newly rolled characters

This guild sucks


#1. We recruit a LOT of people. Especially in the newbie zones, you are going to get people who may not know exactly what they are doing.

#2. At least the guy told you to run. Maybe he doesn't understand that you're supposed to call trains in shout or ooc? sounds like he made an effort.

#3. You shouldn't make fun of people, it's not nice.

#4. Perhaps the lvl36 guy was after something in particular? Hides? Skins? Something else?


I think you expect too much of people. Our guild caters to people who are either brand new to the game or returning to the game after many many many years off. Especially at the lower level brackets, in most guilds like ours, you are going to get some people who aren't very good at the game. That's just how it goes. I am sorry to hear about this experience that you had with members of our guild.

[LazyHydras]

I tattled on him. Dawn Believers leadership is legit. Nice to know they don't condone that behavior. As Tricket said it seems an open door policy can lend itself to this kinda stuff

Also this. Creeps do show up in our guild and are swiftly dealt with when they out themselves.

[Emerald_keep]

You're telling me it's plausible that somebody knows how to /anon to hide their guild tag but doesnt know how to use OOC? Nice try.

[Grizzler]

Honestly, I've had great experiences with DB in the past. However this week ran into some folks in CC that tried to take geo's from us after the previous camp holder gave it to us by running past invis'd, even though we had see invis up.

Our puller pulled some geos and seemingly they got killed by the pull when he ran past them to us. Then proceeded to contact GM's for training but dropped it when I logged on my cleric and rezzed. Then had someone from DB calling our puller a trainer all last night, seemingly because of this instance.

I dunno what they were thinking and after the rezzes we were all cordial and no further issues but definitely was frustrating. Not sure if there was some miscommunication or what but honestly, out of my years on the server, it's only been these recent instances that has given me any pause about them.

[Fammaden]

Well I've heard of issues with TSS members too and issues with KWSM people in the past as well. All guilds who have large enough rosters that you can't account for some individuals and small groups being outliers of bad behavior at times.

[Grizzler]

Well I've heard of issues with TSS members too and issues with KWSM people in the past as well. All guilds who have large enough rosters that you can't account for some individuals and small groups being outliers of bad behavior at times.

Absolutely Correct

[LazyHydras]

You're telling me it's plausible that somebody knows how to /anon to hide their guild tag but doesnt know how to use OOC? Nice try.

Nice try, but I am not taking the bait. You said he didn't call it in OOC or shout. This is different than "knowing how to use OOC." I'm sure he does know how to type /ooc. But whether he understands proper etiquette when you train out is another question.

I don't know who this person is, so I can't tell ya.