Perma camp hand offs

[Abysis]

Seems disturbing that you literally never have to give up a camp and just hand it off endlessly.

I miss pvp servers.

And so much security from the administration to make sure perma campers get to keep their camps.

Wish there was some way to fight to get camps besides being super shady like.

When server comes back up it should be anyones game at the vary least!

This is why you guys have to deal with so many people crying about camp disputes, because people can just hold it forever till people are driven to desperate acts. If you guys don't want to deal with camp disputes you have to do something so people cant endlessly pass camps to their guild.

I don't know the way to fix this exactly, but maybe all the people who might read this who never say anything useful could possibly chime in with a great idea instead of trying to be funny and making an ass of yourself and never realizing it.

[Gibcarver]

a GM on live had us roll dice alot. sometimes it was a weighted roll, like one party rolls a 0-90 because they did something wrong.

[impact]

I tend to agree that perma camping sucks some serious ass and can ruin the experience for a lot of people. dice roll sounds awesome :p

[Abysis]

How do you decide when you can walk up to a group and roll dice?
time limit?
when a certain number of group members have been switched in the time yours has been waiting?

How!

[spok]

I think the 20 minute rule to get back to a camp after a server shutdown is a bit.....too easy to accomplish for whomever had the camp.

Personally, the rush of getting to a place first is fun! I hate losing something because I slack, but at least I know it was my fault because I was slacking.

This 20 minute rule allows for slacks and guilds to continue to lock places down without any competition. May as well just create a signup list.

I oppose.

[Abysis]

Imagine if a guild held a camp for a year ( not that would happen i hope) but using an extreme example... at what point are they cut off? Never?

[whitebandit]

lol Abysis, that probably will happen

[whitebandit]

so not happy about my guise of the deciever that DOESNT WORK

[Abysis]

All i wan't is an option to compete without getting banned.

[Pyrocat]

I think the 20 minute after server open rule prevents way way WAY more drama than it creates

[Abysis]

Depends on what you define as drama, people wanting to keep there camp yes it prevents drama for them.
Making everyone powerless and options yes that prevents drama because there is no choices to be made.

But everyone who can't get a chance to camp there items have drama, they just aren't allowed to express it or act on it.

People are unhappy they aren't allowed to complain unlike the people who didn't get their camp back or lost their camp can.

[Rael]

All i wan't is an option to compete without getting banned.

Join a guild that is capable of competing then. People have fucked up and lost "perma-camps" several times since the release of Kunark.

[Uthgaard]

You do have the option to compete. Of the three major camp disputes since Kunark launch, two have resulted in an attempted permacamp being lost because someone waited for the other side to slip up.

Keeping something locked down for an extended period of time takes a combination of a lot of focused players, a considerable amount of time, organization, and a lot of lost sleep. Keeping something locked down while minimizing the risk of losing it is a serious investment - one that requires the players to miss other opportunities.

If all you wanted was the option to compete, you would be competing. Instead you're investing your time into whining about exaggerated hyperbole and incorrect assumptions with no basis in fact, and that's not going to get you anything.

[Shiftin]

uthgaard for dev!

[dredge]

I just don't understand the mentality of the perma camp, locking it down to keep others from it and so on,

it's like your a bunch of children fighting over the toys in the sand-box. Why don't you all just be decent people and share the game content?

If someone's is waiting in line for a camp, how about letting them have it when your done instead of passing it off to someone else.

WTF,
when did eq turn into this whole in order to "win" I must ruin it for someone else situation?

It's really lame.

the dervs seem to support this attitude, whatever I guess I'm playing a different game then everyone else.

[bman8810]

It's an ethical gray area :/

[Muchew]

It's not that you are trying to screw other people over, it's that you are trying to get the best gear the fastest -- that is what end game content is about in any MMO you play.

[Massive Marc]

It's not that you are trying to screw other people over, it's that you are trying to get the best gear the fastest -- that is what end game content is about in any MMO you play.

Not true.

[Dabron]

It's not that you are trying to screw other people over, it's that you are trying to get the best gear the fastest -- that is what end game content is about in any MMO you play.

Pretty much.
Thats why you need to have no soul and cry about every little thing to GMs. Then rename your guild and have camp rules changed on the spot!

[Kazowi]

You do have the option to compete. Of the three major camp disputes since Kunark launch, two have resulted in an attempted permacamp being lost because someone waited for the other side to slip up.

Keeping something locked down for an extended period of time takes a combination of a lot of focused players, a considerable amount of time, organization, and a lot of lost sleep. Keeping something locked down while minimizing the risk of losing it is a serious investment - one that requires the players to miss other opportunities.

If all you wanted was the option to compete, you would be competing. Instead you're investing your time into whining about exaggerated hyperbole and incorrect assumptions with no basis in fact, and that's not going to get you anything.

yeah, takes a shit ton of skill to play everquest like a career virgin and keep a camp for days on end.

Sucks OP, youre playing on a blue server. Unfortunately the kids who you play with are a bunch of pansy faggots who have nothing better to do other than spend 90% of their days at fungi camp.

Come play red99 when its out brew

[Kazowi]

It's not that you are trying to screw other people over, it's that you are trying to get the best gear the fastest -- that is what end game content is about in any MMO you play.

my experience playing a blue server was doing content i hadnt done before and making friends a long the way. This p99 server sounds like a bunch of failure rejects from live trying to relive glory days they never had and earn respect on a server with 900 people playing it (sorry thats really not even that many people).

[casdegere]

yeah, takes a shit ton of skill to play everquest like a career virgin and keep a camp for days on end.

Sucks OP, youre playing on a blue server. Unfortunately the kids who you play with are a bunch of pansy faggots who have nothing better to do other than spend 90% of their days at fungi camp.

Come play red99 when its out brew

Man, sometimes it really sucks when Chimps learn how to type. :)

[Bodeanicus]

my experience playing a blue server was doing content i hadnt done before and making friends a long the way. This p99 server sounds like a bunch of failure rejects from live trying to relive glory days they never had and earn respect on a server with 900 people playing it (sorry thats really not even that many people).

Rexx called. He wants his BJ now.

[Pheer]

my experience playing a blue server was doing content i hadnt done before and making friends a long the way. This p99 server sounds like a bunch of failure rejects from live trying to relive glory days they never had and earn respect on a server with 900 people playing it (sorry thats really not even that many people).

sounds kind of like nerds that are trying to relive glory days they never had and earn respect on a pvp server with 90 people playing it (including boxes)

inb4 red99 doesnt happen

[nalkin]

Yeah its kind of unfortunate that time is the measure of skill in this version of eq. I will agree with that.

[dredge]

my experience playing a blue server was doing content i hadnt done before and making friends a long the way. This p99 server sounds like a bunch of failure rejects from live trying to relive glory days they never had and earn respect on a server with 900 people playing it (sorry thats really not even that many people).

I have to agree, it's looking that way, if the main goal is really just to beat everyone to the end and lock them out

[Smedy]

Seems disturbing that you literally never have to give up a camp and just hand it off endlessly.

I miss pvp servers.

I've never understood how everquest survived on blue servers for as long as it did without instances. Honestly i've never played on a blue server on live and only to 35 on p99. And the issue instantly starts when you get to a high enough level to start camping items and you realize that everything is camped, and there's nothing you can do about it.

After checking p99 rules you can't get thrown off a camp as long as you.

1. Can handle the camp with the toons you have there
2. Don't go afk(?)

Well this day n age you could probably make a macro that plays the toon for you and make it to kill the mobs around the camp, thus never going afk, and camping items endlessly.

PVP is the solution, you guys need to stop farming pixels and just swallow the pride and take it to the next level, trust me it's more fun when you get pixels and get better at pvp because of the pixels, and get more pixels because of that.

In all:

Pixels here pixels there, pvp is needed to not be a queer.

[mitic]

its day 7 in kunark and like more than another year till velious.

where is the fukin problem ?

[senna]

kunark sucks anyways.. shit doesn't even begin to get fun till velious.

[Psionide]

Everquest, aka the most brutal fucking MMO ever, go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure.

[Lelroni]

I've never understood how everquest survived on blue servers for as long as it did without instances. Honestly i've never played on a blue server on live and only to 35 on p99. And the issue instantly starts when you get to a high enough level to start camping items and you realize that everything is camped, and there's nothing you can do about it.

After checking p99 rules you can't get thrown off a camp as long as you.

1. Can handle the camp with the toons you have there
2. Don't go afk(?)

Well this day n age you could probably make a macro that plays the toon for you and make it to kill the mobs around the camp, thus never going afk, and camping items endlessly.

PVP is the solution, you guys need to stop farming pixels and just swallow the pride and take it to the next level, trust me it's more fun when you get pixels and get better at pvp because of the pixels, and get more pixels because of that.

In all:

Pixels here pixels there, pvp is needed to not be a queer.

The difference Smedy is Project 1999 is -way- more watched over by GM's then live servers. On Lanys we'd race for mobs, sometimes people would get trained/raids wiped, GM's did not always intervene. When 2 guilds ran up on a raid mob it was whoever tagged it first, not this "first guild with 15 people in force get to claim the mob if they're in reasonable distance from said mob" rule (or something similiar to that.)

Even then, whoever tagged the mob still had to watch out for the other guild trying to out DPS them, it can dwindle down to 2 guilds claiming they each enganged the mob first.

[Cyrano]

The difference Smedy is Project 1999 is -way- more watched over by GM's then live servers. On Lanys we'd race for mobs, sometimes people would get trained/raids wiped, GM's did not always intervene. When 2 guilds ran up on a raid mob it was whoever tagged it first, not this "first guild with 15 people in force get to claim the mob if they're in reasonable distance from said mob" rule (or something similiar to that.)

Even then, whoever tagged the mob still had to watch out for the other guild trying to out DPS them, it can dwindle down to 2 guilds claiming they each enganged the mob first.

It's definitely first to tag here. Did you paste a post you made 8 months ago?

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I think what he means is, at what point does it become greed or selfishness, and if it is such, when is enough enough. Someone camping an item in of itself is not griefing, or ruining another's in game experience, nor is handing camps off to friends or guildmates. I think it was more a frustration post, as in when is enough enough.

It is as Uthgaard says however. But I would also say 'competing' in game by waiting does give you time to post on the forums. So it doesn't necessarily mean you aren't 'competing' by posting.

[Smedy]

The difference Smedy is Project 1999 is -way- more watched over by GM's then live servers. On Lanys we'd race for mobs, sometimes people would get trained/raids wiped, GM's did not always intervene. When 2 guilds ran up on a raid mob it was whoever tagged it first, not this "first guild with 15 people in force get to claim the mob if they're in reasonable distance from said mob" rule (or something similiar to that.)

Even then, whoever tagged the mob still had to watch out for the other guild trying to out DPS them, it can dwindle down to 2 guilds claiming they each enganged the mob first.

I think if i played on a blue server i'd actually prefer a ruleset where you could just dps the mob and whoever got the most dps got the kill, and the same way you could steal camps.

I mean not being able to do anything because someone else are sitting there feels stupid and boring.

[Kazowi]

bottom line is, what is the ultimate point for rushing to the end? so you rush to max level with best gear, then what? raid shit youve done before 100 times until velious comes out next year? I can't understand it, pvp drags everything out and provides endless fun, literally.

[Alawen Everywhere]

my experience playing a blue server was doing content i hadnt done before and making friends a long the way. This p99 server sounds like a bunch of failure rejects from live trying to relive glory days they never had and earn respect on a server with 900 people playing it (sorry thats really not even that many people).

Unfortunately, you've pretty much hit it on the head, Big Rexx. If you join one of these massive zerg guilds, you'll quickly realize that the whole show is run by half a dozen people with a clue and the rest of the members go to a zone they're told to go to, run to (or often get their corpses dragged to) the spot they're told to sit in and then they wait there for a boss mob to be delivered to that spot, often for hours or days at a time.

There is no challenge to anything on this server past devoting your life to staring at empty spawn points. Literally anyone can level a character and join one of the top guilds. The only test is your ability to suck up to the right people and not say a word as you "raid" for months and quietly wait for your turn at gear. No other skills, knowledge, effort or contribution is necessary at all.

[mitic]

bottom line is, what is the ultimate point for rushing to the end? so you rush to max level with best gear, then what? raid shit youve done before 100 times until velious comes out next year? I can't understand it, pvp drags everything out and provides endless fun, literally.

this is true

[nalkin]

I kind of agree with the red guys on most of their points. To me EQ blue is not a competitive game, because the only way to 'beat' the other people is by time and poop sock. To me that not a form of fun competition. But just because this EQ is not competitive doesn't mean its not fun. I treat it like a social game, like habbo hotel or something, where instead of trying to collect furni you are killing mobs.

[Harrison]

I've never understood how everquest survived on blue servers for as long as it did without instances. Honestly i've never played on a blue server on live and only to 35 on p99. And the issue instantly starts when you get to a high enough level to start camping items and you realize that everything is camped, and there's nothing you can do about it.

After checking p99 rules you can't get thrown off a camp as long as you.

1. Can handle the camp with the toons you have there
2. Don't go afk(?)

Well this day n age you could probably make a macro that plays the toon for you and make it to kill the mobs around the camp, thus never going afk, and camping items endlessly.

PVP is the solution, you guys need to stop farming pixels and just swallow the pride and take it to the next level, trust me it's more fun when you get pixels and get better at pvp because of the pixels, and get more pixels because of that.

In all:

Pixels here pixels there, pvp is needed to not be a queer.

Not wholly true...

It is entirely lawful, under what I last saw of the rules on this, that you can AFK up until any PH or Spawn occurs. The AFK is when that PH or Spawn is still up, and you are not.

I camped shit while playing PS3 all the time. It wasn't against the rules as long as I kept the PH/spawn down, and I did. I'd put an alarm on my phone that went off every (spawntime here).

[Odeseus]

Not wholly true...

It is entirely lawful, under what I last saw of the rules on this, that you can AFK up until any PH or Spawn occurs. The AFK is when that PH or Spawn is still up, and you are not.

I camped shit while playing PS3 all the time. It wasn't against the rules as long as I kept the PH/spawn down, and I did. I'd put an alarm on my phone that went off every (spawntime here).

Not wholly true...

That is the way it works for mobs with a somewhat normal PH spawn time. But for long timer PHs, simply being afk at the spawn point doesn't cut it. For instance, you cannot claim Ishva 30 hours before it spawns and just AFK in the room until 5 minutes before the spawn and claim that you have been camping it for 30 hours. In other words, you cannot AFK in the Ishva room and then go to work for 10 hours, get drunk afterwords, sleep for 10 hours and wake up hungover, go back to your computer and claim that you've been there the whole time. Your toon has been there, but you have not.

Remember that camping a spawn is a privilege. To camp something, you are sacrificing doing whatever else you may want to do. When camping normal named, I watch TV or a movie 90% of the time and could be considered AFK. But I am on my laptop or watching the movie on my PC so I can respond to camp checks and the like.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Well said Nalkin.

[Bubbles]

lol @ all the red knights lecturing on 'boring activities' when supposedly they are bitching about what happens on a server they don't even play. And posting on that message board. Incessantly.

Rogean should put up a separate donation box link to delete the VZ/TZ source and backups entirely. I'm sure we'd reach record donations within an hr and be done with this forever.

And it'd be pretty amusing to show PvPers how to truly deprive someone of content, while afk and barely paying attention, like a true bluebie!

[Macken]

Remember when you were 5 and you unwittingly let your parents know you had discovered sex because some kid at school said "penis" and you repeated it?

Then they sat you down and explained the birds and the bees but it made no sense to you? Then you told them you didn't care? And they told you that one day you would?

Thats kinda what Rexx and Smedy are doing now. None of you guys posting here have a clue what it is you are missing. Blue servers are a training ground for the real thing. I am not trying to belittle you or disparage any fun that you are having. I am only saying "sex" one day you will get it.

[Macken]

lol @ all the red knights lecturing on 'boring activities' when supposedly they are bitching about what happens on a server they don't even play. And posting on that message board. Incessantly.

Rogean should put up a separate donation box link to delete the VZ/TZ source and backups entirely. I'm sure we'd reach record donations within an hr and be done with this forever.

And it'd be pretty amusing to show PvPers how to truly deprive someone of content, while afk and barely paying attention, like a true bluebie!

someone is bitter that they havn't discovered sex yet.

[Bubbles]

Remember when you were 5 and you unwittingly let your parents know you had discovered sex because some kid at school said "penis" and you repeated it?

Then they sat you down and explained the birds and the bees but it made no sense to you? Then you told them you didn't care? And they told you that one day you would?

Thats kinda what Rexx and Smedy are doing now. None of you guys posting here have a clue what it is you are missing. Blue servers are a training ground for the real thing. I am not trying to belittle you or disparage any fun that you are having. I am only saying "sex" one day you will get it.

Remember when you saw Lord of the Rings and went 'Hmm that was pretty good'?

Remember when those people who wear period costumes and beat on each other with nerf swords at the park on sundays told you LOTR was nothing compared to the "real thing"?

You're being detrimental to your own cause by spamming these boards with drivel. Here's a clearer example:

I don't go to ICP and Rob Zombie concerts. Is it because i don't care for the music? The tickets are overpriced? I work that weekend?

No.

It's because, under no circumstances, would i ever want to spend 3 hours in close proximity to people who REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY like Rob Zombie and ICP.

Even the select few that would be 'potential onverts' who wouldnt mind giving pvp a try are very quickly realizing the last thing they'd ever want to do is deal with you tards on a day to day basis..

[naez]

ICP not too bad the juggalo stuff is such a great troll

[Harrison]

Ugh, he compared an actual musician with ICP.

[Abysis]

I guess waiting for them to mess up is only thing you can do, like we lost our camp from someone going LD.

[Rilkean]

Red doesn't fix this at all? Ex: Primal on VZ.

[Macken]

the last thing they'd ever want to do is deal with you tards on a day to day basis..

9 of 10 who can be quoted as such, got owned, talked smack and didn't like the results.

Not necessarily you, just saying.


Also, So much drama over pixels and who gets them on our blue server. Can you imagine what it will be like on a Red99. Pixels serious business in pvp. Tards pulling out all stops. The only way to shut down or shut a tard up is to say nothing and kill him. Alot.

You probably just needed more help. Maybe 6 vs 1 on your tard. Then you don't have to deal. He does.

How long did ride your bike with training wheels? I'm not saying you aren't having fun or you are not good. I'm just saying come on man.

[Hasbinbad]

I am only saying "sex" one day you will get it.
Fucking R O F L @ the guy comparing a video game to sex.

Seriously, get laid.

[Kassel]

If they do any team set up that is not GvG (not classic) all of this shit still continues on Red99

[Macken]

Fucking R O F L @ the guy comparing a video game to sex.

Seriously, get laid.

One day you might bro. Until then stay true blue.

[Abysis]

Thanks Uthgaard =D

[john_savage1982]

I just don't understand the mentality of the perma camp, locking it down to keep others from it and so on,

it's like your a bunch of children fighting over the toys in the sand-box. Why don't you all just be decent people and share the game content?

If someone's is waiting in line for a camp, how about letting them have it when your done instead of passing it off to someone else.

WTF,
when did eq turn into this whole in order to "win" I must ruin it for someone else situation?

It's really lame.

the dervs seem to support this attitude, whatever I guess I'm playing a different game then everyone else.


You only win at EQ if you have loot that others don't so that you can sit in EC tunnel /afk and people can inspect you and say to themselves "that guy wins EQ"

[Abysis]

Uthgaard = win, he pvp flagged us all on last camp dispute.

[yaaaflow]

Uthgaard = win, he pvp flagged us all on last camp dispute.

For once, something the pvptards can't bitch about?

[yaaaflow]

shit just saw uthgaard combined pvp threads, sorry did not mean to instigate in this thread if I could remove that junk I would.

my bad.

[Smedy]

P99 RED - We know sex, We know Everquest.

DEAL WITH IT
http://www.funnypictureblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/deal-with-it.gif

[Harrison]

Uthgaard = win, he pvp flagged us all on last camp dispute.

Making up rules? Awesome.

[Trimm]

Making up rules? Awesome.

Just shut up already. It's a free to play, emulated everquest server. Its OK to have some fun every once in a while.

[yaaaflow]

Also he's jumping to conclusions since the pvp flagging was done exclusively for fun and did not weigh in at all on the eventual camp resolution.

[Coril]

Uthgaard, according to your broadcast last night, your goal is to specifically:

"Make you hate life if you drag me into a dispute. Resolving it yourselves will always be the path of least resistance, so do it."

I respect your desire that players work out issues themselves. It's the adult thing to do. But, I have a request in return: please stop responding to petitions. It seems counterproductive, doesn't it? I respect the work you do without pay to create a fun experience for everyone. But if you don't want the job of adjudicating disputes, that's fair. Don't. Or if you decide to get involved, don't do it with such apparent randomness, without reason or explanation to any understanding of server rules, and with what seemed to be such malevolence. Give back the same mature understand you want from your players.

Thanks for your time.

[TanDemain]

I do admit that it is slightly annoying, albeit I understand it's the first week and am I patient to let this ride through. What I dislike is asking to get on the list if he/she leaves and they don't accept other non-guilded people. I get it, doesn't mean I have to like it ;p

It is what it is guys~ let it be, time will prove to be your ally in the end.

[Harrison]

Also he's jumping to conclusions since the pvp flagging was done exclusively for fun and did not weigh in at all on the eventual camp resolution.

I'm only going off of the information given and what I know of the well-known kneejerk rager with a whip.

[yaaaflow]

But you don't have the information required to form a judgment on what happened, hence you are jumping to a conclusion. In this case, the wrong one.

Can't you just get banned again already?

[Harrison]

But you don't have the information required to form a judgment on what happened, hence you are jumping to a conclusion. In this case, the wrong one.

Can't you just get banned again already?

Yeah, because proxies are difficult to use. Abacab is surely thwarted, amongst others, from such measures! :rolleyes:

[Macken]

Uthgaard, according to your broadcast last night, your goal is to specifically:

"Make you hate life if you drag me into a dispute. Resolving it yourselves will always be the path of least resistance, so do it."

I respect your desire that players work out issues themselves. It's the adult thing to do. But, I have a request in return: please stop responding to petitions. It seems counterproductive, doesn't it? I respect the work you do without pay to create a fun experience for everyone. But if you don't want the job of adjudicating disputes, that's fair. Don't. Or if you decide to get involved, don't do it with such apparent randomness, without reason or explanation to any understanding of server rules, and with what seemed to be such malevolence. Give back the same mature understand you want from your players.

Thanks for your time.

Although your post makes sense, you are forgeting that Uthgaard is being aggravated on a minute by minute basis. If you poke and prod and agitate long enough, there will be consequences.

Im not trying to take Uthgaard's side, I'm just saying it shouldn't be very surprising if he acts in an agitated manner. I mean, if the staff seems to get really upset at putting a post in the wrong filing cabinet, they aren't very far from going postal irl.

[Uthgaard]

Lets get one thing straight folks. We don't answer to you.

There has been a lot of petitions lately, a lot of posts on the forums, with everyone trying to critique GM Decisions. The developers of this project put way too much time into this for us to be put on the spotlight every single time we make a decision, ESPECIALLY when you ASSUME you know all the facts. 90% of the time, you don't. Situations are handled between the staff and the players directly involved. Any dialog between a GM and a player can be considered a private matter, and will not be open to public debate. Players will divulge their interactions with GM's as they see fit, maybe giving all details and maybe not disclosing all of it, and quite possible they themselves aren't aware of every point of consideration in a staff decision.

I'm getting quite tired of everything being questioned, everyone assuming they are experts in every decision being made. Its getting old quite fast. We make decisions based on our best judgements, often discussing large impacting decisions with several staff members first. You are welcome to report anything you may believe to be unjustified use of GM privileges to the petition forum or Nilbog and myself, but this would only be in situations where you believe a GM did not act as they are instructed so, and an investigation may occur, but do not think that this suddenly privies you to all information associated with any decision. I realize that the environment for our community is a little more open than such organizations as SOE Itself, with more direct involvement in the community by the developers, but there are certain ways things need to be handled, and they wont always be agreed on by everyone, but thats how it is in any scenario. Many of us, including myself, do not play on the server. That means we spend all of our time working to better the server, and handling the issues that arise. We make decisions based on our best judgement, with no favoritism for any play character connections, so you will have to trust in our opinions for the health of the server.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled, un GM-related, flaming and asshatery.

<3