Thank you sirken

[Oleris]

Says Retired Gm. Thanks for helping out the server over the last couple years. I enjoyed the twitch streams and wish you the best in whatever is next.

Putting this in RNF because I know people will be toxic.

Anyone with good stories?

[Menden]

I'm just going to leave this here. https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311487

Please respect Rogean's wishes.

[Oleris]

I didn't see before hand. Sorry!

[Bardp1999]

Before you go big papa Sirk restore Wu'Tang to glory

[Cecily]

If I could just use this somber moment to make one request, it would be that all of us could come together and sign a petition to make Cecily a real dark elf. It’s not my fault my main character was born the wrong race to wear the robe I didn’t know I wanted till I started raiding. Being a real DE would make me happy for a day or two.

Thank you.

[radditsu]

I want my shaman back.

[Jack N]

"I wanna be a real dark elf"

[Cecily]

"I wanna be a real dark elf"

[mickmoranis]

I would also like to be a real dark elf.

[Swish2]

Can I have my old account back?

[Jan Jensen]

Can I have my old account back?

[wwoneo]

Can I have my old account back?

You should be asking for the last 10 years of your life back.

[Kluwen2]

https://youtu.be/oWnkLlD8wWE

[Wonkie]

Can I have my old account back?

[kotton05]

can i have my suspensions reversed now?

dude was out for people for no reason.

[Cecily]

Would you guys please be respectful of my wish to be a dark elf?

[deezy]

F

[Supreme]

F

[imsorryGMs]

F

[indiscriminate_hater]

speculationquest

[Bboboo]

all elves go to accession

[Swish2]

He didn't make it to nearly 17k posts, who's next to try?

[Bboboo]

swish show some respect for fallen elf pal

[Swish2]

You've reduced him to an "elf pal", that's disrespectful. Like Rogean, he did a lot.

[ScaringChildren]

I'm surprised no one linked to the google doc yet :D

[tesaria]

I'm surprised no one linked to the google doc yet :D

Please do not bait people, Braknar is banning in-game accounts for people posting/talking about this material.

[Mead]

Please do not bait people, Braknar is banning in-game accounts for people posting/talking about this material.

lol

[kotton05]

the elf version of Edward Snowden dropped the doc heard round norrath

[Mead]

core is safe again

[derpcake2]

F

inally

[Misek84]

Please do not bait people, Braknar is banning in-game accounts for people posting/talking about this material.

That doesnt sound accurate. Yes if u linked the “google doc” last week you would have been banned in a heartbeat. However due recent developments it wouldnt make any sense to get banned for it now. I just dont see a rationalization or motivation for current staff to ban a person for posting it.

[tesaria]

That doesnt sound accurate. Yes if u linked the “google doc” last week you would have been banned in a heartbeat. However due recent developments it wouldnt make any sense to get banned for it now. I just dont see a rationalization or motivation for current staff to ban a person for posting it.

Rogean does not want wild wild west until he has had his time to investigate fully and make a post is what I'm gathering from his thread in server chat. From what I'm hearing a few people have been banned for posting it so just don't.

[Frug]

Rogean does not want wild wild west until he has had his time to investigate fully and make a post is what I'm gathering from his thread in server chat. From what I'm hearing a few people have been banned for posting it so just don't.

Which is absurd.

[Misek84]

Rogean does not want wild wild west until he has had his time to investigate fully and make a post is what I'm gathering from his thread in server chat. From what I'm hearing a few people have been banned for posting it so just don't.

Maybe but seeing how Sirken has been removed one can reason that the investgation has concluded and a conclusion reached. There’s noting in the fabled doc that would adversely affect current staff or the project in general. It just deals with the violating party who has already been penalized. Thus trying to stop the spread of this document through bans would just foster a greater degree of speculation and rumors. Resulting in such actions being self defeating.

[Suwu]

Juicy

[derpcake2]

You've reduced him to an "elf pal", that's disrespectful. Like Rogean, he did a lot.

I considered hiring a camwhore to get free manastones.

He was a hero among the social workers.

[Bardp1999]

This thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqmdiiqIRA8

[Jimjam]

Maybe but seeing how Sirken has been removed one can reason that the investgation has concluded and a conclusion reached. There’s noting in the fabled doc that would adversely affect current staff or the project in general. It just deals with the violating party who has already been penalized. Thus trying to stop the spread of this document through bans would just foster a greater degree of speculation and rumors. Resulting in such actions being self defeating.

People get suspended before / during investigations too, professionally speaking.

I remember at one job where 24k went missing, they tried to pin it on one person. Their manager managed to prove it wasn't them. Turns out finance had 'misplaced' it.

Later the manager who saved the fall guy got made redundant.


Something real juicy went on there, deffo not getting involved!

[Jimjam]

Long story short, that person was suspended while the investigation happened.

[Lammy]

https://i.imgur.com/CtJFQnE.png

[Gilder]

Wait, what happened to Sirken? What was the Google Doc? I don't even play anymore so I fear no man.

[Bardp1999]

Wait, what happened to Sirken? What was the Google Doc? I don't even play anymore so I fear no man.

https://i.imgur.com/AUDKm3g.png

[Mead]

Rogean does not want wild wild west until he has had his time to investigate fully and make a post is what I'm gathering from his thread in server chat. From what I'm hearing a few people have been banned for posting it so just don't.

was wondering why you're so adamant about kissing rogean's ass

trying to get your account unbanned

gl :)

[Jauna]

So nothing yet? I have a bit to do if the siren thing is real however

[Bardp1999]

The silence is deafening

[America]

lmaoo just read the logs

good lord lmaoo at everyone involved. lol

[kjs86z]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/44074979

skip to 26:10

LOL

[Lune]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/44074979

skip to 26:10

LOL

yikes

[Jauna]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/44074979

skip to 26:10

LOL

The higher voiced male sounds drunk.

[Jimjam]

I appreciate the importance of integrity, but I'm trying to decide if the accused acts are more severe, equal to or less severe than a barista occasionally giving away a free cappuccino to his wife (or other love interest).

[America]

have i ever been mentioned on this gay stream?? tghatd be funny

[Nexii]

I appreciate the importance of integrity, but I'm trying to decide if the accused acts are more severe, equal to or less severe than a barista occasionally giving away a free cappuccino to his wife (or other love interest).

Much more severe though unsubstantiated

[America]

oh cool he disrespected dayse

nasty stream

[Nexii]

Ya I wondered if I got mentioned, I doubt it though. Trans are kinda invisible to a lot of cis. There was one time I invited Sirken on stream to Sleepers Tomb for raid fraps and chill, he came but didn't stick around. I think I intimidated him?

Some of the stuff I heard was pretty bad. Probably a Kavanaugh 2.0 situation though, he said she said...

[Gilder]

Lmao, just found out he got the axe for giving out elf pixels to thots? Manastones, guises and spawn timers? All for a thotty? This is peak autism.

You played yourself Sirk.

[America]

disrespects the dead, again. i'm fine with letting that trigger me. Gross.

[Nexii]

disrespects the dead, again. i'm fine with letting that trigger me. Gross.

Link / slimestamp?

[America]

it happens by like 32min. i dont wanna dig through it.

https://i.imgur.com/JgD47tU.png

[dcrag]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/44074979

skip to 26:10

LOL

He says at that point he has no access to timers then at 1:12 specifically says he can use a command to see the timer.

[Jazzy]

Name of the beast who cucked sirken?

[Jimjam]

Gwen Grosvenor.

[kotton05]

Moetrisha was her name

[Jazzy]

They must have been some good tit pics

[shuklak]

Get it clean for green.

[NegaStoat]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/44074979

skip to 26:10

LOL

Watched it. The challenge issued for a person to roll a character on Red and play for 60 days and get back to Sirken with insights on the experience was vaguely compelling. Unfortunately, I'm not into drugs or self abuse.

Fresh Teams PvP with custom rules for the teams as promised back in 2015 please?

[fan D]

When are we allowed to discuss Sirken? i wish to speak on the issue but i do not want my 12 level 60 toons to be banned

[shuklak]

When are we allowed to discuss Sirken? i wish to speak on the issue but i do not want my 12 level 60 toons to be banned

Put in a standard petition and await the councils decision.

[Ghostly]

The doc is pretty damning. I have to assume the people still defending him are people who haven't read it. I mean shit, there are literally Screenshots, Chat Logs, and Forum Posts of all the shit he was doing and it all came crashing down on his head.

[JayDee]

I do not think thanks are in order here

[America]

Thank you Amelinda

[Valakut]

https://i.imgur.com/ixXIlx2.jpg

looks like krampus came early this year

[Byel]

You should be asking for the last 10 years of your life back.

[Byel]

You should be asking for the last 10 years of your life back.

:D

[Swish2]

The doc is pretty damning. I have to assume the people still defending him are people who haven't read it. I mean shit, there are literally Screenshots, Chat Logs, and Forum Posts of all the shit he was doing and it all came crashing down on his head.

I haven't read it, I do know he's "helped people" before in ways a GM shouldn't though - secrets don't stay secret forever.

He flew too close to the sun :/

[Swish2]

If you want to thank Sirken I'd suggest a small crowdfunding page to buy the man a new keyboard, that clunky thing must keep his neighbors awake.

[Swish2]

Get it clean for green.

All aboard for discord <3

[Vaye]

Ya I wondered if I got mentioned, I doubt it though. Trans are kinda invisible to a lot of cis. There was one time I invited Sirken on stream to Sleepers Tomb for raid fraps and chill, he came but didn't stick around. I think I intimidated him?
I was a prominent p99 streamer for years and Sirken never invited me on his show even tho we're pals. /cry

Like Burytoe said, nobody wants to fuck the trannies lul.

He def helped me out more than once when nobody else would tho. <3

[Jazzy]

Id invite you to my show bb

[Wonkie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1jZi7OmRsA

[Nexii]

I was a prominent p99 streamer for years and Sirken never invited me on his show even tho we're pals. /cry

Like Burytoe said, nobody wants to fuck the trannies lul.

He def helped me out more than once when nobody else would tho. <3

Ya possibly/probably. Though Sirken struck me as bisexual.

[Reguiy]

Thanks bro. Give us one last Sirkencast before you go!

[Reguiy]

The doc is pretty damning. I have to assume the people still defending him are people who haven't read it. I mean shit, there are literally Screenshots, Chat Logs, and Forum Posts of all the shit he was doing and it all came crashing down on his head.

I've read it and I still stand behind him. Shit, this dude dealt with grown adults crying, whining, and bitching over pixels for 6 years. Nobody is perfect and the dude did way more good for the server than bad.

[feanan]

Ahh, the ole I did some good stuff, so all my bad stuff doesn't mean anything

[Foxplay]

Nope no stories of sirken myself. Only GMs I've come in contact with (knowingly) was cylock, menden, and Llandris

I was never important enough for the big sirken

[Bardp1999]

My female DE SK needs the last name e'Lanti now so I can say i got all my gear from the divorce (she is a filthy twink)

[shuklak]

Ahh, the ole I did some good stuff, so all my bad stuff doesn't mean anything

Pullin the ol escobar classic.

[Jimjam]

I've read it and I still stand behind him. Shit, this dude dealt with grown adults crying, whining, and bitching over pixels for 6 years. Nobody is perfect and the dude did way more good for the server than bad.

I came to the conclusion that occasional worthless fake pixel hand outs are less severe than occasional free cappaccino hand outs from a barista (in each instance to the object of affections).

[FatMice]

I came to the conclusion that occasional worthless fake pixel hand outs are less severe than occasional free cappaccino hand outs from a barista (in each instance to the object of affections).

At Pret a Manger employees are allowed to gift drinks to random patrons. It creates a welcoming atmosphere.

[Jimjam]

GMs are allowed to host events with item give always.

[Nirgon]

He was a lonely dude and gave some terribad a manastone, impacting nothing but still not exactly playing it straight

But look at the rest of us, some can even admit it and have a spine

Dis wrong yall

[nectarprime]

During a halfling race event, I named a new character "Fuckbutt" and he showed up and instantly banned my entire account (god forbid the name filter be functional). Couldn't get a response from him. about 6 months later I appealed and got my account back.

Good riddance.

[Jimjam]

He was a lonely dude and gave some terribad a manastone, impacting nothing but still not exactly playing it straight

But look at the rest of us, some can even admit it and have a spine

Dis wrong yall

For real.

I suggest a 30 day ban from his position, with repeat offences lengthening the ban by 10 days each time in addition to 30 days. .

[ScaringChildren]

During a halfling race event, I named a new character "Fuckbutt" and he showed up and instantly banned my entire account (god forbid the name filter be functional). Couldn't get a response from him. about 6 months later I appealed and got my account back.

Good riddance.

We're all adults too, right?

A halfling named "Fuckbutt" is amazing in my opinion

[nectarprime]

We're all adults too, right?

A halfling named "Fuckbutt" is amazing in my opinion

Right? I didn't expect the name to go through. There's no reason it should have.

[kotton05]

I have the char named Fruntbutt

[kaev]

During a halfling race event, I named a new character "Fuckbutt" and he showed up and instantly banned my entire account (god forbid the name filter be functional). Couldn't get a response from him. about 6 months later I appealed and got my account back.

Good riddance.

6 months sounds about right. This server needs a lot more 6 month bans imo, to all the accounts of the lickspittle jerkwads and not just the throwaway they troll with.

[JayDee]

He was a lonely dude and gave some terribad a manastone, impacting nothing but still not exactly playing it straight


While it may not be quantifiable, summoning items (allegedly) for people def has an impact on the playerbase when it becomes public. Take one look at the WoW private server Elysium that went from packed to flatline after news broke of the same type of ordeal.

Saving grace for p99 being there is no alternative playground for classic EQ fans and may never be.

[kotton05]

Sucking on the discarded syringes or eating condoms off the ground you choose, red or blue

[Bardp1999]

I choose to shit in my hands and clap

[Darkatar]

I choose to shit in my hands and clap
https://i.imgur.com/VP1guo8.gif

[Nirgon]

Can red keep Sirken and fat whore box gets new subpar GM?

[d3r14k]

Can red keep Sirken and fat whore box gets new subpar GM?

Confirming that red is specifically for deviants and neer-do-wells?

They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some red players, I assume, are good people.

I kid, I kid. Respect for red players.

[AzzarTheGod]

Lmao, just found out he got the axe for giving out elf pixels to thots? Manastones, guises and spawn timers? All for a thotty? This is peak autism.

You played yourself Sirk.

Wish I could say something in response to this but I can't.

I can't even make a remark. If you only knew about 2009-2012 era. Your judgement of Sirken is comical from a full picture perspective.

Bit of a yikes post.

[AzzarTheGod]

I've read it and I still stand behind him. Shit, this dude dealt with grown adults crying, whining, and bitching over pixels for 6 years. Nobody is perfect and the dude did way more good for the server than bad.

Likewise. I stand by Sirken. If you had a full picture perspective (I REALLY wish I could say something) then you all would too.

[AzzarTheGod]

Lastly, I will add that this action against Sirken falls under "petty".

If we're allowed to talk more down the road, then I will have a lot more argument to make in favor of Sirken not being removed from staff.

I respect the decision and understand it, but its just not what I would expect-- all things considered.

[d3r14k]

It only took Sirken getting banned for you to make a post worth reading, ATG. One out of almost 8,000 isn't bad.

[radda]

It only took Sirken getting banned for you to make a post worth reading, ATG. One out of almost 8,000 isn't bad.

i didnt even read that one.

[AzzarTheGod]

It only took Sirken getting banned for you to make a post worth reading, ATG. One out of almost 8,000 isn't bad.

I have a 12k-15k catalogue. You've seen maybe 500 of that.

You've always been a know-nothing along with radda. I've been around in the community for over 15 years. You can't say the same.

[d3r14k]

I feel I can safely gleam from the time I've been here when someone is garbage. Citing an extensive history somewhere is pretty moot. Being the cancer of a community =/= a valuable contribution, especially in your case.

I've only ever see you be negative, man.

[Wonkie]

glean.

if you need help remembering just think of glans.

[booter]

I've been around in the community for over 15 years.

big if true

[Nirgon]

glean.

if you need help remembering just think of glans.

man I hope that's the red alert attack dog in ur avatar

[d3r14k]

glean.

if you need help remembering just think of glans.

Har har thanks. I'm not sure I've ever typed that word out before.

[Swish2]

While it may not be quantifiable, summoning items (allegedly) for people def has an impact on the playerbase when it becomes public. Take one look at the WoW private server Elysium that went from packed to flatline after news broke of the same type of ordeal.

Is anyone surprised on WoW emulators though? The "Chinese gold" farmers aren't as Chinese for one.

[paulgiamatti]

Sirken was cool. A bit cringey at times, but let's be honest who among us isn't. A+ would have as a classic elf simulator GM again. Going to miss ASOIAF thread updates and the ol' Sirkstream.

[Sillyturtle]

Is anyone surprised on WoW emulators though? The "Chinese gold" farmers aren't as Chinese for one.

I'm against 'Chinese gold farmers' but I'm not against gold sellers. I'll explain why:

On Live WoW, accounts were being actively compromised through various methods (usually phishing sites) and that was the primary source of gold that was being sold. A large number of the perpetrators were Chinese, but not all were. However, the moniker of 'Chinese gold farmers' has stuck through the years to describe unsavory currency transactions.

I'm against people being harmed or having their accounts robbed. I have no problem with someone selling gold if they earn it by playing the AH, or farming it themselves, etc. That's just my opinion and I don't consider it more valid than anyone elses, but I said I'd explain so there you have it.

[Muggens]

I came to the conclusion that occasional worthless fake pixel hand outs are less severe than occasional free cappaccino hand outs from a barista (in each instance to the object of affections).

[shuklak]

This is why communism fails.

[Dolalin]

It's why disaster capitalism fails too.

[ScaringChildren]

I'm against 'Chinese gold farmers' but I'm not against gold sellers. I'll explain why:

On Live WoW, accounts were being actively compromised through various methods (usually phishing sites) and that was the primary source of gold that was being sold. A large number of the perpetrators were Chinese, but not all were. However, the moniker of 'Chinese gold farmers' has stuck through the years to describe unsavory currency transactions.

I'm against people being harmed or having their accounts robbed. I have no problem with someone selling gold if they earn it by playing the AH, or farming it themselves, etc. That's just my opinion and I don't consider it more valid than anyone elses, but I said I'd explain so there you have it.

It also caused crazy amounts of inflation.

Good luck to the beginner newb who didn't have a rich main or the ability to buy gold.

See what unchecked immigration can do to an economy?

TRUMP2020

[jarshale]

damn sirken done in by e-thottery. rip.

[Nirgon]

I have concocted an awful revenge scheme

You'll all burn soon

[jakerees]

I have concocted an awful revenge scheme

You'll all burn soon

He is going to spend a day tracking down the 14 players on red and slaughter them all while saying this is for sirken

[Swish2]

He is going to spend a day tracking down the 14 players on red and slaughter them all while saying this is for sirken

Hey Jake you forgot the decimal between the 1 and the 4... :eek:













https://i.imgur.com/lbRIE4i.gif

[Tethler]

Hey Jake you forgot the decimal between the 1 and the 4... :eek:


Come on Swish, be reasonable. He's clearly talking about peak hours here.

[tecate]

I'm just going to leave this here. https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311487

Please respect Rogean's wishes.

Lol

[Nirgon]

He is going to spend a day tracking down the 14 players on red and slaughter them all while saying this is for sirken

lol nope, thats not what I'm gonna do. keep guessin'.

revenge is a dish best served cold.

[Ivah]

lol nope, thats not what I'm gonna do. keep guessin'.

revenge is a dish best served cold.

Bluebie's gonna get the gapING butthole treatment

[Bardp1999]

lol nope, thats not what I'm gonna do. keep guessin'.

revenge is a dish best served cold.

Getting a tattoo of a penis on your actual penis? I think there is a subtle beauty to the idea

[Kaight]

This is sad :( I can see Rogean never following up on this and posting an explanation cause it's NONE OF YA GODDAMN BIZNESS.

He's one of the most fair people I've ever met and I'm certain he's doing a thorough investigation. I trust his decision, but I can see him not posting what happened so as not to incite more ~server drama~ When that other GM Derubal or whatever (before my time) was kicked out, was there any official staff response?

[Irulan]

Getting a tattoo of a penis on your actual penis? I think there is a subtle beauty to the idea

Tattooing a vagina on mine so that I can have a vagina inside a vagina after srs

[Irulan]

This is sad :( I can see Rogean never following up on this and posting an explanation cause it's NONE OF YA GODDAMN BIZNESS.

He's one of the most fair people I've ever met and I'm certain he's doing a thorough investigation. I trust his decision, but I can see him not posting what happened so as not to incite more ~server drama~ When that other GM Derubal or whatever (before my time) was kicked out, was there any official staff response?

Derubal was whitewashed. But he was a nice guy. Presided over one of red99s peak seasons. Ya he probably cheated n broke the rules, but he did it out of a desire to better red99

[Irulan]

Oh, and RIP sirkdawg. It was nice of u to watch over us..

I feel old now that p99 is retiring staff

[shuklak]

This is sad :( I can see Rogean never following up on this and posting an explanation cause it's NONE OF YA GODDAMN BIZNESS.

He's one of the most fair people I've ever met and I'm certain he's doing a thorough investigation. I trust his decision, but I can see him not posting what happened so as not to incite more ~server drama~ When that other GM Derubal or whatever (before my time) was kicked out, was there any official staff response?

I really don't see how a gm accused of a undermining and sabotaging a server is none of the servers business.

[Neno]

I was a GM on a popular NWN server like 15 years ago. It was a server I started on not knowing a single person but I was active in the community, became friends with the admins and was eventually given a position of power. There is a very real temptation to abuse your powers especially when you have no way of being caught. I failed to resist it and gave in to my desires to summon items and gold for my characters and for a few other people. During this time I ran fun GM events and helped out a lot of people and went on being the best GM I could be despite doing a lot of shady shit.

After several months I started to feel really guilty for betraying the admins/communities trust behind the scene and turned myself in. I sent the admins a message detailing everything I had done, logged off from the forums, uninstalled the game and never looked back. In the end it felt bad to live a double life and be a hypocrite suspending/banning people for breaking the rules while at the same time doing things much worse.

I only had a few interactions with Sirken and he was always good by me. My situation and whatever his situation is are slightly different but I empathize with him. It isn't as easy as people think to resist the urge to abuse power whether its in an Elfsim or IRL. Best of luck to you Sirken wherever the future takes you.

[CharlesBarkley]

Bye Sirken, always helped me out

We've all acted stupidly due to being boned up

[loramin]

I was a GM on a popular NWN server like 15 years ago. It was a server I started on not knowing a single person but I was active in the community, became friends with the admins and was eventually given a position of power. There is a very real temptation to abuse your powers especially when you have no way of being caught. I failed to resist it and gave in to my desires to summon items and gold for my characters and for a few other people. During this time I ran fun GM events and helped out a lot of people and went on being the best GM I could be despite doing a lot of shady shit.

After several months I started to feel really guilty for betraying the admins/communities trust behind the scene and turned myself in. I sent the admins a message detailing everything I had done, logged off from the forums, uninstalled the game and never looked back. In the end it felt bad to live a double life and be a hypocrite suspending/banning people for breaking the rules while at the same time doing things much worse.

I only had a few interactions with Sirken and he was always good by me. My situation and whatever his situation is are slightly different but I empathize with him. It isn't as easy as people think to resist the urge to abuse power whether its in an Elfsim or IRL. Best of luck to you Sirken wherever the future takes you.

Props for sharing that very honest story.

It's easy to quote Tolkien from the sidelines ("absolute power corrupts absolutely"), but it's a whole hell of a lot harder to be Frodo with absolute power sitting literally in the palm of your hand. Although, in Sirken's (and Derbuael's, and ...) case it was more the fingertips than the palm.

Not defending, attacking, or judging anyone's actions, just saying that whatever Sirken did, we should all make sure we haven't/wouldn't do the same thing ourselves before we start throwing stones. And I say that even though I (and I think everyone here) feels legitimately betrayed by Sirken's actions.

[AzzarTheGod]

This is sad :( I can see Rogean never following up on this and posting an explanation cause it's NONE OF YA GODDAMN BIZNESS.

He's one of the most fair people I've ever met and I'm certain he's doing a thorough investigation. I trust his decision, but I can see him not posting what happened so as not to incite more ~server drama~ When that other GM Derubal or whatever (before my time) was kicked out, was there any official staff response?


I'm not going to drudge shit up, or go into any specific detail or drop any names. For now we'll leave it at if you know, you know. If you don't, you won't.

Someone here is judging Sirken for a similar action that he himself had previously presided over. It wasn't exactly as clean cut as this, and it was a bit more complicated. But he gave himself a second chance and some server policies were changed in response to it. Changes were made behind closed doors. We all moved on. We didn't need a public thread acknowledging it or anyone getting "exposed".

But now there's no second chance for Sirken. That's where people are having problems with this.

You might be able to argue "Well that was ancient history, nearly 10 years ago. How can you compare these two incidences". But its a pretty weak argument using time elapsed.

The double standard here is where most of us have a problem with Sirken's alleged punishment (permanent removal from staff). It's coming across as too knee-jerky considering we've survived similar stuff here when Blue first launched and we had GM events and "random rolls" and prizes distributed for event loot.

All things considered, a lot of us feel Sirken is more valuable than the treatment he's getting. This should have been a peanut incident and dismissed like a couple other incidents that happened during the early blue days. But it wasn't. Why is this incident any different? You have to ask at this point if Sirken is receiving fair treatment.

[Kaight]

I really don't see how a gm accused of a undermining and sabotaging a server is none of the servers business.

How many times does it have to be said? This is a free server that requires nothing to play. You don’t pay them. They don’t pay you to do work for them. You’re entitled to nothing.

[Wonkie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1jZi7OmRsA

[America]

I'm not going to drudge shit up, or go into any specific detail or drop any names. For now we'll leave it at if you know, you know. If you don't, you won't.

Someone here is judging Sirken for a similar action that he himself had previously presided over. It wasn't exactly as clean cut as this, and it was a bit more complicated. But he gave himself a second chance and some server policies were changed in response to it. Changes were made behind closed doors. We all moved on. We didn't need a public thread acknowledging it or anyone getting "exposed".

But now there's no second chance for Sirken. That's where people are having problems with this.

You might be able to argue "Well that was ancient history, nearly 10 years ago. How can you compare these two incidences". But its a pretty weak argument using time elapsed.

The double standard here is where most of us have a problem with Sirken's alleged punishment (permanent removal from staff). It's coming across as too knee-jerky considering we've survived similar stuff here when Blue first launched and we had GM events and "random rolls" and prizes distributed for event loot.

All things considered, a lot of us feel Sirken is more valuable than the treatment he's getting. This should have been a peanut incident and dismissed like a couple other incidents that happened during the early blue days. But it wasn't. Why is this incident any different? You have to ask at this point if Sirken is receiving fair treatment.

heehehe

[Mudson]

ll things considered, a lot of us feel Sirken is more valuable than the treatment he's getting.

[kaev]

You’re entitled to nothing.

This is a concept utterly foreign to p99 raiders, I'm afraid you're wasting your keystrokes here.

[Mead]

This is a concept utterly foreign to p99 raiders, I'm afraid you're wasting your keystrokes here.

I’m not sure anyone cares about anyone else’s opinion on here

[kaev]

I’m not sure anyone cares about anyone else’s opinion on here

oh shit, you cracked the code!

[Swish2]

I’m not sure anyone cares about anyone else’s opinion on here

so why post like we think people do?

[Swish2]

Derubal ... he was a nice guy. Presided over one of red99s peak seasons. Ya he probably cheated n broke the rules, but he did it out of a desire to better red99

I don't think anyone on the staff cared about red more than Derupal. Even put that thread in server chat that more people should move across and give it a try - with predictably mixed responses.

Was a shame when he tried to get recently disbanded Nilly and Azrael to work together in Dagnor's vs a spawned Cazic Thule... pvp happened, and Lite refused to work with other guilds. Deru flipped a table and cancelled the whole thing - watched it on Twitch :p Might actually be red's last "big effort put in" event.

[shuklak]

How many times does it have to be said? This is a free server that requires nothing to play. You don’t pay them. They don’t pay you to do work for them. You’re entitled to nothing.
Being entitled to nothing justifies being treated poorly?

[Swish2]

Being entitled to nothing justifies being treated poorly?

The mads can always start their own server.

[JayDee]

Being entitled to nothing justifies being treated poorly?

I am going to offer someone a refreshing cold beverage with just a drop of piss in it. Then I'll tell them not to be upset when they find out cause hey it was free and you enjoyed it.

[Hibbs]

I am going to offer someone a refreshing cold beverage with just a drop of piss in it. Then I'll tell them not to be upset when they find out cause hey it was free and you enjoyed it.

Just to clarify are you agreeing or disagreeing with him? lol

[deezy]

siken did nothing wrong

[Irulan]

https://i.imgur.com/9p1zwtp.jpg

[aaezil]

Et tu, Brute?

[Cecily]

Cast not ye the first sword lest you burden your ass with enough swords for everyone.

[Irulan]

Cast not ye the first sword lest you burden your ass with enough swords for everyone.

Rofl :p

[Muggens]

I am going to offer someone a refreshing cold beverage with just a drop of piss in it. Then I'll tell them not to be upset when they find out cause hey it was free and you enjoyed it.

P99 pissing in ur drinks?

[Muggens]

We're invited to a free party here. If someone got a little cherry extra why would u care? This aint the olympics

[Swish2]

Maybe what we need in custom content era is a free guise for everyone. Blizzard games style "everyone's a winner, thanks for playing".

[Kaight]

Being entitled to nothing justifies being treated poorly?

Then quit if you don't like it. If just can't seem to leave, you might be in an abusive relationship and should consider getting help.

[Wonkie]

players exist for staff to abuse

"you're in our world now"

[Mead]

Kaight needs her manastone

[America]

don t complain about ANYTHING u receuve from this free service over bandwidth comped by others ever again u ungrateful fuk

[Sonderbeast]

Will pm pics of my cock for manastones.

fuck it i'll just post here

https://i.imgur.com/c82NMes.jpg

[d3r14k]

Your ... erm ... cock looks like it already ate a manastone.

[Sonderbeast]

How could anyone murder such a majestic creature?

[America]

your "cock is doodie, dude"

[Swish2]

How could anyone murder such a majestic creature?

Made to be food at Popeye's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyW6w5B7Aw), except when they run out!

[Irulan]

Maybe what we need in custom content era is a free guise for everyone. Blizzard games style "everyone's a winner, thanks for playing".

Just enable all classes for DE and expansion lock the other races. Install a vendor with all the tinkered items at exorbitant prices for a plat sink.