That's racist! [Archive]

impact

03-30-2011, 02:51 PM

haha well those people did voluntarily appear in that commercial. fact is man, americans are all just extremely arrogant. we think we can go on being assholes to everyone around the world and get away with it. we're in for a rude awakening. any student of history would know this. the roman empire lasted, what approx 200 years? i think the american empire (yes empire considering how many military bases we have around the world. people on okinawa want us to leave? HAHAHA too bad bitches) is just about to run its course. its quite obvious our systems are collapsing (by design) around us, but us americans, we do what we have always done best, and stick our heads in the sand and pretend its not happening. HUGE CORPORATIONS STRAIT STEALING MONEY FROM THE TAXPAYER? THE CIVIL LIBERTIES THAT ONCE MADE US GREAT BEING STRIPPED BEFORE OUR EYES? BOMBING EVER MORE PEOPLE KILLING 100'S OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS AROUND THE GLOBE? WHO CARES, WE HAVE DANCING WITH THE STARS AND AMERICAN IDOL WOOOOT!!!!1

Walk

03-30-2011, 03:20 PM

0 potential

fischsemmel

03-30-2011, 03:20 PM

the roman empire lasted, what approx 200 years?

Lol.

Hasbinbad

03-30-2011, 04:49 PM

Lol.
*conspiratorial snicker*

Rilkean

03-30-2011, 05:34 PM

Massive Marc

03-30-2011, 05:56 PM

http://stoptheinvasionoforegon.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/thats_racist1.gif

Harrison

03-30-2011, 06:28 PM

Gorgetrapper

03-30-2011, 06:42 PM

Lol they probably should have thought about that before sneak attacking Hawaii, eh?

Japan used Kamikaze, it's not very effective. United States used Atom Bomb, it was super effective!

Aarone

03-30-2011, 07:20 PM

Soooooo many things wrong here. You think I would be smart and maintain my silence, but I guess I feel like banging my head against the wall.

To begin:

Hasbinbad: you are correct. This is fear-mongering at the least (though perhaps not borderline racist), and is rhetorical manipulation of emotion in its most basic form (clearly, EVERYTHING that afflicts American society today is the result of the fact that most Americans are lazy, and have lost their basic appreciation for the values of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - or so this commercial wishes to convince us. Poverty, racism, corruption in the public sector and rampant personal materialism in the private sector, not to mention a cultural lifestyle of "conspicuous consumption", are merely pure coincidences and have nothing to do with the issues at hand). However: NOTHING is comparable to Nazi Germany's treatment of the Jewish people at any point. The very comparison itself is a rhetorical trap that diminishes both the argument it is used to support as well as the experience of the Shoah. Your command of language and your general reasoning skills (in past, unrelated posts) demonstrate that you're too smart to fall into such a trap (and I really do mean that with great respect). All that being said: this commercial has been running on US TV for over 6 months - have you only just seen it?

Impact: In 49 BCE Julius Ceasar, against the direct order of the Senators of the Roman Republic, crossed the Rubicon River with the intent of marching on Rome and overthrowing the Senate in order to establish a personal dictatorship (an attempt ultimately thwarted by his assassination at the hands of Marcus Brutus, etc.). His grandson and heir Octavian (who re-named himself Augustus) was ultimately able to establish the dictatorship of Rome (or rule by a sole ruler) in 27 BCE. Either of these two dates is generally used to mark the establishment of the Roman Empire.

Throughout the 4th century the various Caesars established the practice of breaking the administration of the Empire into regions, effectively creating a "Western Roman Empire" and "Eastern Roman Empire". History considers the "fall" of the Western Empire to have occurred in 476 CE (when the then Emperor was forced to abdicate). The Eastern Empire (generally referred to as the Byzantine Empire) lasted until the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks in 1453 CE (thereby inspiring a jazz standard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yRXSA0BK1I&feature=related)). The Roman Republic, which preceded both, commenced in c. 508 BCE.

This means, you ignorant ass, that the Roman Empire lasted either 500 or 1,500 years (depending on how you measure it), and the rule of the SPQR (the "Senatus Populusque Romanus" or "Senate and People of Rome") is considered to have lasted approx. 2,000 years. Most notably NOT the 200 years you would claim.

Harrison, there are times you make me feel ashamed that I live in the Commonwealth of MA with you (when the Commonwealth isn't managing to make me feel that way on its own). The Okinawans themselves were invaded by the Japanese many times, and are no more from Japan than you and I are from California. Further, in the light of both the devastation that has recently afflicted the Japanese, and their extremely peaceful and positive response to it (do you realize that there have been NO incidents of looting reported in the aftermath of the tsunami/earthquake??), your ignorant and despicable comment serves only to justify the contempt that so many members of this community hold you in.

Gorgetrapper: on the basis of that comment alone, you sir, should be deeply ashamed. Beyond that, someone should punch you squarely in the nose.

I've no doubt that this rant will produce some cutting, intelligent, and extensively well-thought out rebuttals, mostly consisting of some witty remarks such as "tl;dr" and comments about my personal conduct and/or sexual preferences. To which I most politely and endearingly suggest: go screw yourselves.

Japan

03-30-2011, 07:35 PM

tl;dr but it appears that you are flustered.

Harrison

03-30-2011, 07:39 PM

tl;dr but it appears that you are flustered.

I have no patience to read walls of text, but I do see my name in there, so I KNOW he's mad.

I expect more "americans is bad" speeches to come.

Japan

03-30-2011, 08:17 PM

also what the fuck does this commercial have to do with race? China is a rival state. China would love to (and is aiming to) pick over our failed empire's bones and take over as global hegemon. China is one of the more likely candidates for new superpower if the US does collapse soon. Incidentally, there are Chinese people in China.

It's not like the commercial is about zimbabwean farmers becoming masters of the US and turning the washington mall reflecting pool into a basketball court. The situation in this commercial might be sensational, but it's plausible.

That sleazy motion blurred CGI/green-screen set is pretty fucking outrageous though, I must say.

DetroitVelvetSmooth

03-30-2011, 08:22 PM

They made a video game out of this commercial recently.

Harrison

03-30-2011, 09:07 PM

They made a video game out of this commercial recently.

And it's good (multiplayer) singleplayer is garbage.

leezard

03-30-2011, 10:56 PM

Aarone:

Caesar ruled as dictator of Rome for 4 years before being murdered. Not so much thwarted as cut short. He even started land reforms, altered the tax system, changed the calender, and quite a few other things. He was the great uncle of Octavian, whom he posthumously adopted. After adoption, Octavian assumed the name Gaius Julius Caesar, and was awarded the honorific Augustus, or the revered one, by the Senate after he solidified his power in 27 bc, altho he had effectively been ruling Rome since 44 bc, following the death of his adopted father.

Aarone

03-30-2011, 11:32 PM

Rhodes

03-30-2011, 11:53 PM

wtb info on why that is racist.

protip: just because the commercial doesn't feature white people doesn't mean it's racist.

Shrubwise

03-31-2011, 12:13 AM

Hasbin just likes creating threads with witty titles so he can use an old .gif to make it clever, ya see

Queladen

03-31-2011, 12:21 AM

ITT: People who think China is a race and not a country.

Rael

04-01-2011, 11:27 AM

Lol @ the depiction of the Chinese citing nationalisation as the reason for the fall of America.

Akame

04-01-2011, 11:50 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2D-WPRYwF0

Hasbinbad

04-01-2011, 01:36 PM

La dee dah. La dee dah. NOTHING is comparable to Nazi Germany's treatment of the Jewish people at any point. Lah dee dah. Obvious stuff about Rome > 200yrs. Lah dee dah.
I didn't compare anything to Nazi Germany's treatment of the Jewish people at any point. I compared the above commercial to the propaganda of the Nazi party. That difference, while apparently subtle enough to fly right the fuck over YOUR head, is not inconsequential.

Also, lots of things are comparable to the Nazi parties treatment of the Jewish people. Lots of countries have committed lots of atrocities, and comparing those situations to Nazis is actually quite helpful so that nothing like the nazis ever happens again.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-Santayana

I would posit that it is only through the comparison of the Nazis treatment of the Jewish people that we ensure that things like that never happen again.

Are you arguing that things like that should happen again, sirrah?

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ITT: People who think there is such a thing as "a race," and who do not understand that racism is a colloquial term used to describe hatred or intolerance towards another group of people for a great many reasons having to do with their culture, ethnicity, or nationality.

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If you don't understand why this commercial has racial undertones at the very least, you might be a redneck.

Massive Marc

04-01-2011, 01:47 PM

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Japan

04-01-2011, 02:15 PM

this tool

bman8810

04-01-2011, 02:34 PM

ITT: People who think there is such a thing as "a race," and who do not understand that racism is a colloquial term used to describe hatred or intolerance towards another group of people for a great many reasons having to do with their culture, ethnicity, or nationality.

There is most definitely such a thing as "a race". We are all one species but we are distinguished by physical differences with the most significant being skin color.

However, the above comment is really just me being nitpicky. I understand and agree with the point you are making. As such, I do agree that over the years* "race" has culturally evolved away from the more scientific meaning into what it is today; i.e. a way of easily profiling groups of people (sometimes, maybe usually, offensively) based upon physical characteristics, cultural differences, practices, etc.

*Edit: Over the years? More like the beginning of time.

Queladen

04-01-2011, 03:05 PM

No such thing as a race? Lol, oh yes, how silly of me, we are all one under peace and love man, far out.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-01-2011, 03:28 PM

ITT: People who think there is such a thing as "a race," and who do not understand that racism is a colloquial term used to describe hatred or intolerance towards another group of people for a great many reasons having to do with their culture, ethnicity, or nationality.

Would it have been racist if the people sitting in those seats were Norwegian? The commercial isn't taking aim at "those buck-toothed yellow ****s" so much as it's taking a blow to Chinese policy, it's portraying the country of China as a nation of filthy communists plotting to overthrow your government, and laughing about it when it's said and done.

Again, it's nothing to do with the Chinese people, but everything to do with pro-American politics going against Chinese industrialization, and the only hatred they're spewing in this commercial is an intolerance of other governments questioning the might of the U.S economic machine.

Ongbak

04-02-2011, 12:16 AM

Only Neo-Con Sara Palin/NewtG/GBeck/Hannity/TeaBagger Folks would really believe this.

Hasbinbad

04-02-2011, 03:34 AM

There is most definitely such a thing as "a race". We are all one species but we are distinguished by physical differences with the most significant being skin color.

However, the above comment is really just me being nitpicky. I understand and agree with the point you are making. As such, I do agree that over the years* "race" has culturally evolved away from the more scientific meaning into what it is today; i.e. a way of easily profiling groups of people (sometimes, maybe usually, offensively) based upon physical characteristics, cultural differences, practices, etc.

*Edit: Over the years? More like the beginning of time.
Tell me, what makes up a race? "Scientists" used to think there was such a thing, but upon further examination, they found that there really is no such thing. Provide me with evidence of the validity of such a term, and I will discuss it with you. However, I beseech you to first consider that more learned people are now discussing the differences between groups of people using 3 separate criteria: ethnicity, nationality, and culture. It is actually along these three lines that make up the major differences between people. For instance, it is extremely fallacious to call all white people one group, as it is to call all black people one group. To say that an Irishman is within the same group as a Romanian man is ludicrous, there are by far more differences than similarities. The same goes for saying that an American black man is in the same group as an African; both men might have the same ethnicity, but the differences in culture and the implications of their different nationalities make them about as similar as an apple to a cucumber.

No such thing as a race? Lol, oh yes, how silly of me, we are all one under peace and love man, far out.
It's not hippy shit man, it's science. Of course, those words are synonyms to rednecks, so I'm really not surprised.

Would it have been racist if the people sitting in those seats were Norwegian? The commercial isn't taking aim at "those buck-toothed yellow ****s" so much as it's taking a blow to Chinese policy, it's portraying the country of China as a nation of filthy communists plotting to overthrow your government, and laughing about it when it's said and done.

Again, it's nothing to do with the Chinese people, but everything to do with pro-American politics going against Chinese industrialization, and the only hatred they're spewing in this commercial is an intolerance of other governments questioning the might of the U.S economic machine.
That is a very superficial view of what is really going on behind the scenes of propaganda like this. In fact, the intent of the creators may have been exactly as you describe it, but the effects are drastically different. Which leads me to the connection between what you're saying and the next person:

Only Neo-Con Sara Palin/NewtG/GBeck/Hannity/TeaBagger Folks would really believe this.
It is exactly because people like the ones listed in this quote buy in to this nonsense that it is scary.

#1.) On a subconscious level for people who do not already hate Chinese people, these groups are being geared up to become intolerant of the Chinese. Perhaps already intolerant of the Chinese will simply hate them more, because this just adds fuel to the fire of their current hatred.

#2.) Dealing directly with Ongbak's quote, the problem with "only the groups you listed really believing this," is that those groups make up an extremely large and growing segment of the American people. To minimize these groups is to stick your head in the sand, especially in the face of the most recent House of Representatives vote, and all the attention in the media that Palin, et al, have been receiving from the VERY rich and powerful media outlets promoting them.

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This shit is scary, and to blow it off so easily shows a lack of foresight.

As far as why I am just now seeing this, I rarely watch network television, and yes, even though it may have been running for 6 months, I have just become aware of it.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-02-2011, 04:00 AM

u crazy hasbinbad!

Let's throw a hypothetical

Same commercial, same lecture, same points being stressed, and let's say the entire assembly was composed of Swedes because in this hypothetical Sweden is taking China's place.

Would you have made this thread? Would you call it racist if we grouped a bunch of Swedish people up and had them laugh at the end?

Or is it only racist when the people being shown in the clip are a different skin color? Would it only be racist if it was a bunch of Kenyans? Israelis? Pakistanis? Koreans? Mexicans?

I personally only think you're calling it racist simply because it's the "Chinese" and not some white-bread pan-european group, in a sense I kind of think you're racist on the fact that when you view a clip such as this you're aiming and gouging at every finite detail until you find something a tad-less politically correct.

Then again I don't see this as a "race" issue, I'm fairly certain those same neo-cons go to the $5.99 asian buffet and the only table talk happening involving the Chinese at this time would be "How kinky would it be to fuck an asian?" This is obviously not an issue with the color of their skin and dehumanizing people living in red China, this is obviously fear mongering on the basis of turning China into a cold-war era threat just like we did with the USSR

Hasbinbad

04-02-2011, 04:11 AM

u crazy hasbinbad!

Let's throw a hypothetical

Same commercial, same lecture, same points being stressed, and let's say the entire assembly was composed of Swedes because in this hypothetical Sweden is taking China's place.
I totally understand what you're trying to get at here, but that supposition ignores four (or more) very important realities about this country:

#1.) America has a large population who are already very intolerant of any asian group. This kind of thing just adds to that and makes it easier for people who are not in that population to join that population.

#2.) China is a communist country, which basically makes it analogous with the above, but for different reasons. There is a HUGE anti-communist sentiment with a large population in America, and again, this just adds fuel to the existant bonfire.

#3.) China is a top world power at this time, and they are only going to get more powerful very quickly with time. They are experiencing their population dividend right now. When was the last time you saw pictures of shanghai? This fact plays right in to the fear being mongered by this commercial and by right wing nutjobs talking about our evil Chinese overlords.

#4.) America doesn't owe Sweden it's collective weight of testicles and breasts in gold. The American debt to China is a very real threat to the security of a lot of people. More enlightened people see it as a very complicated and long-term business transaction, but it outright scares a lot of people.

There are probably more reasons why Sweden is a false analogy, but this should suffice. England would be a better choice, since they in fact do own much of this country, but there is not a strong undercurrent of hate for the English in this country, so it doesn't work either. You need to accept the fact that racism is a reality before you can understand why the implications of this kind of propaganda are harmful.

As for me being racist for recognizing this: lol.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-02-2011, 04:23 AM

But let's real talk about big China

China has abstained from nearly every U.N resolution which has involved any G8 member voting in favor of, including use of force to foster peace, peacekeeping, and the voluntary commitments to re-building impoverished nations. Some nation could be completely devastated by a earthquake (aka Japan) and China would abstain simply on the basis that Japan is a G8, and it's G8 allies would help.

It's also funny because the G8 members have routinely made it obvious that they wont stand for human rights violations which is the main reasoning behind the air strikes in Libya, but the G8 will never lift a hostile hand to China, no matter what the Chinese government does to it's citizens or refugee population the U.N stops short of sending a fax saying "Don't do it again" mostly empty threats and promises.

If the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by Chinese nationals do you think big W. would've sent naval bombardments and ground troops to siege Beijing? In essence China can do what it wants, when it wants with zero repercussion by the world at large and it comes down to it's might in both the military and economic spheres.

All I'm saying is it's hard to victimize a group of people that continually violate civil rights, that has the western world in a stranglehold through debt, that has the military and nuclear firepower to wipe the world of every human in existence, it's hard to victimize a country that has made it obvious over the last few decades it only cares about how much power it can attain on a national level.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-02-2011, 04:37 AM

I totally understand what you're trying to get at here, but that supposition ignores four (or more) very important realities about this country:

#1.) America has a large population who are already very intolerant of any asian group. This kind of thing just adds to that and makes it easier for people who are not in that population to join that population.

#2.) China is a communist country, which basically makes it analogous with the above, but for different reasons. There is a HUGE anti-communist sentiment with a large population in America, and again, this just adds fuel to the existant bonfire.

#3.) China is a top world power at this time, and they are only going to get more powerful very quickly with time. They are experiencing their population dividend right now. When was the last time you saw pictures of shanghai? This fact plays right in to the fear being mongered by this commercial and by right wing nutjobs talking about our evil Chinese overlords.

#4.) America doesn't owe Sweden it's collective weight of testicles and breasts in gold. The American debt to China is a very real threat to the security of a lot of people. More enlightened people see it as a very complicated and long-term business transaction, but it outright scares a lot of people.

There are probably more reasons why Sweden is a false analogy, but this should suffice. England would be a better choice, since they in fact do own much of this country, but there is not a strong undercurrent of hate for the English in this country, so it doesn't work either. You need to accept the fact that racism is a reality before you can understand why the implications of this kind of propaganda are harmful.

As for me being racist for recognizing this: lol.

#1 Obsurd! Asian porn is the highest selling market of porn kind of hard to be intolerant of something the majority of America jacks off to when the parents are asleep. In all seriousness, asians are by far the LEAST persecuted ethnic group in the U.S, even Canadian's get more flack than the Korean's do. On the other hand asians are probably the MOST stereotyped, but let's just call a spade and spade cause they're miles ahead of mexicans and blacks in terms of white-bread redneck hate.

#2 Hating communism has nothing to do with race, we hated the Russians for years and they were white than the snow they passed out drunk on. Anti-communist sentiments stem from the fact that the word is near synonymous with people such as Stalin.

#3 Why you not hate a rival in the game? We hated the English, we hated the Russians, it's just part of the cycle of maintaining alpha male status... I am also fairly certain that the sentiments of the Chinese towards us is less than amiable as well, hell the Chinese celebrate every time Japan gets rocked by a national disaster simply because of the Rape of Nanking. There's a lot of hatred for each other in the world and it's not just right wing nutjobs here in America, because every nation on this earth would slit their rivals throats if they had the chance.

#4 The only reason people are threatened of China taking stage is because of reason #3, the People's Republic is not lead by people such as Ghandi, and is lead by people that have no qualms about flaying the skin off pacifist monks simply because the monk's ideology goes against the Great Leader's vision, which low and behold everything we do in America goes against the Great Leader's vision which is paramount to wartime communism (aka permanent revolution)

wehrmacht

04-02-2011, 05:00 AM

Let me educate you metrosexual, politically correct, liberal nooblings on something.

Feels awfully like the anti-jewish propaganda in the late 30's in Germany (obv I'm not old enough to remember, but I've researched this a bit).

Judaism is an ethnocentric, racist, supremacist cult. Christianity and Islam both are about recruiting people into their "religion". Judaism on the other hand, is all focused on "we are the chosen people, you are dog shit".

There are all kinds of texts they still follow to this day from the Torah about how it's ok to charge interest to gentiles but not other Jews and how stealing and killing is bad but gentiles aren't really people, they're more like animals, so it's not really that big of a fucking deal, etc.

Thou shalt not lend upon interest to thy brother: interest of money, interest of victuals, interest of any thing that is lent upon interest. Unto a foreigner thou mayest lend upon interest; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon interest (Deuteronomy, 23:20-21

People don't just come out of the woodwork and start killing them for no reason. It's because their entire ideology is inherently anti-everyone that's not jewish and inherently devoted to racial supremacy.

It's not a race, about 70% of people in Israel are of european origin. Only like 20-30% are Mizrahi (ie: arabic descent jews). It is a cult, no different from scientology or christianity, or Islam. The only difference is, Christians only whine if you don't convert, Islam wants to kill you if you don't convert, Judaism doesn't want you to convert, they want to treat you like a 2nd class citizen.

Straight from the mouth of one of the head's of the Israeli Rabbis in Jerusalem Post: "Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews"

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191782

I'm not religious and my background is 1/2 brit, 1/2 norwegian for anyone wondering.

Harrison

04-02-2011, 08:40 AM

I was made intolerant of Asians because of videogames and their propensity to cheat at them. The Nameless was the beginning, other games made it worse...

Aarone

04-02-2011, 09:02 AM

I didn't compare anything to Nazi Germany's treatment of the Jewish people at any point. I compared the above commercial to the propaganda of the Nazi party. That difference, while apparently subtle enough to fly right the fuck over YOUR head, is not inconsequential.

Also, lots of things are comparable to the Nazi parties treatment of the Jewish people. Lots of countries have committed lots of atrocities, and comparing those situations to Nazis is actually quite helpful so that nothing like the nazis ever happens again.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-Santayana

I would posit that it is only through the comparison of the Nazis treatment of the Jewish people that we ensure that things like that never happen again.

Are you arguing that things like that should happen again, sirrah?

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Absolutely not. I am not disagreeing with your initial statement (about the commercial). I am arguing your use of the "rhetorical trick" of bringing the Nazi experience up as an example - specifically, I am saying that comparisons to the experience of the Holocaust weaken your initial argument, as making the comparison opens the door to all sorts of idiots spewing all sorts of anti-Semetic crap. Such as this lovely bit...

Let me educate you metrosexual, politically correct, liberal nooblings on something.

Judaism is an ethnocentric, racist, supremacist cult. Christianity and Islam both are about recruiting people into their "religion". Judaism on the other hand, is all focused on "we are the chosen people, you are dog shit".

There are all kinds of texts they still follow to this day from the Torah about how it's ok to charge interest to gentiles but not other Jews and how stealing and killing is bad but gentiles aren't really people, they're more like animals, so it's not really that big of a fucking deal, etc.

People don't just come out of the woodwork and start killing them for no reason. It's because their entire ideology is inherently anti-everyone that's not jewish and inherently devoted to racial supremacy.

It's not a race, about 70% of people in Israel are of european origin. Only like 20-30% are Mizrahi (ie: arabic descent jews). It is a cult, no different from scientology or christianity, or Islam. The only difference is, Christians only whine if you don't convert, Islam wants to kill you if you don't convert, Judaism doesn't want you to convert, they want to treat you like a 2nd class citizen.

Straight from the mouth of one of the head's of the Israeli Rabbis in Jerusalem Post: "Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews"

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191782

I'm not religious and my background is 1/2 brit, 1/2 norwegian for anyone wondering.

Hasbinbad

04-02-2011, 09:48 AM

#1 Obsurd! Asian porn is the highest selling market of porn kind of hard to be intolerant of something the majority of America jacks off to when the parents are asleep. In all seriousness, asians are by far the LEAST persecuted ethnic group in the U.S, even Canadian's get more flack than the Korean's do. On the other hand asians are probably the MOST stereotyped, but let's just call a spade and spade cause they're miles ahead of mexicans and blacks in terms of white-bread redneck hate.

#2 Hating communism has nothing to do with race, we hated the Russians for years and they were white than the snow they passed out drunk on. Anti-communist sentiments stem from the fact that the word is near synonymous with people such as Stalin.

#3 Why you not hate a rival in the game? We hated the English, we hated the Russians, it's just part of the cycle of maintaining alpha male status... I am also fairly certain that the sentiments of the Chinese towards us is less than amiable as well, hell the Chinese celebrate every time Japan gets rocked by a national disaster simply because of the Rape of Nanking. There's a lot of hatred for each other in the world and it's not just right wing nutjobs here in America, because every nation on this earth would slit their rivals throats if they had the chance.

#4 The only reason people are threatened of China taking stage is because of reason #3, the People's Republic is not lead by people such as Ghandi, and is lead by people that have no qualms about flaying the skin off pacifist monks simply because the monk's ideology goes against the Great Leader's vision, which low and behold everything we do in America goes against the Great Leader's vision which is paramount to wartime communism (aka permanent revolution)
Blatant fallacies.
Not even going to talk to you if you can't address the issues I put forth.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

Hasbinbad

04-02-2011, 09:49 AM

comparisons to the experience of the Holocaust
I made no such comparison sir, and I defy you to show otherwise.

Hasbinbad

04-02-2011, 09:51 AM

Let me educate you metrosexual, politically correct, liberal nooblings on something.
No thx.
frothing hate speech
tl;dr.

Aarone

04-02-2011, 10:02 AM

I made no such comparison sir, and I defy you to show otherwise.

WTF, really... Feels awfully like the anti-jewish propaganda in the late 30's in Germany.

Now, admittedly, this is an issue of semantics, in that what you wrote, may not be what I read, if you know what I mean. That being said, I don't think it's very unreasonable of me to read the line in your original post in the fashion that I did. I believe that the experience of the Holocaust starts well before the "late 30's in Germany", and that I'm not alone in that belief.

wehrmacht

04-02-2011, 10:08 AM

These liberal Dbags can't even attempt to debunk one single sentence from my post.

Please, try and find one thing, you can't do it.

I'll link you the exact line from the Talmud for any of it.

Aarone

04-02-2011, 10:57 AM

These liberal Dbags can't even attempt to debunk one single sentence from my post.

Please, try and find one thing, you can't do it.

I'll link you the exact line from the Talmud for any of it.

Your first post is it's own rebuttal.

wehrmacht

04-02-2011, 11:06 AM

Your first post is it's own rebuttal.

What wasn't true in my post? Go ahead.

You highlighted some stupid part where I basically described that I'm not religious and an average white person and not a muslim since anyone anonymously posting about the evils of judaism on the internet always gets accused of being a muslim or something stupid.

bman8810

04-02-2011, 01:58 PM

Tell me, what makes up a race? "Scientists" used to think there was such a thing, but upon further examination, they found that there really is no such thing. Provide me with evidence of the validity of such a term, and I will discuss it with you. However, I beseech you to first consider that more learned people are now discussing the differences between groups of people using 3 separate criteria: ethnicity, nationality, and culture. It is actually along these three lines that make up the major differences between people. For instance, it is extremely fallacious to call all white people one group, as it is to call all black people one group. To say that an Irishman is within the same group as a Romanian man is ludicrous, there are by far more differences than similarities. The same goes for saying that an American black man is in the same group as an African; both men might have the same ethnicity, but the differences in culture and the implications of their different nationalities make them about as similar as an apple to a cucumber.

Race (for humans) is a concept that allows us to quickly distinguish between various people. At one time that was solely skin color. As we progressed we realized that skin color was not nearly enough to encompass all that a person is. As such, race is now a much more complicated topic. Here is the current US Census Bureau definition. However, I can guarantee you that in ten years it will be different.

From Wikipedia: The OMB defines the concept of race as outlined for the US Census as not "scientific or anthropological" and takes into account "social and cultural characteristics as well as ancestry", using "appropriate scientific methodologies" that are not "primarily biological or genetic in reference."

As far as it being ridiculous to group an Irishman and a Romanian? It is entirely about your goal. If your goal was to separate based upon an umbrella color (i.e. white, black, red, orange, etc) then you are correct and have distinguished correctly. However, you could also say that their skin tones do not match exactly and that it is now an incorrect grouping. Hell, you can take two Irishmen and say they don't belong in the same grouping. You are entirely too hung up on this notion that there is a "correct" way to differentiate between people. There isn't. It is entirely about motives, goals, assumptions made, and whether it is ethically correct to do so.

Japan

04-02-2011, 02:33 PM

^^^^^

The classic definition of race is arbitrary. Largely because of the colonial evil that has been done with the backing of that definition, the word "race" has fallen out of favor. "Race" isn't the preferred scientific term, as its definition is extremely loose. For example, "native american" is often called a race, but certain tribes experienced extreme genetic isolation and are not much more genetically comparable to the Apache than they are to us.

So people who say races don't exist aren't wrong, but they are only correct on a boring semantic technicality.

The idea of a unique evolutionary history for grouped populations is scientifically valid. Race would sure be a convenient term for differentiating between these populations, but it's been hijacked by ignorant rednecks and RL bloob reactionaries who are more concerned about arguing with retards than actually furthering human understanding. The word just has too much history to be useful, as long as we live among such shitheads.

tl;dr this whole thing is a semantic argument

wehrmacht

04-02-2011, 03:16 PM

O god, here comes more liberal idiocy that there is no such thing as different races. Homo sapien sapiens have been around something like 50,000 years. We domesticated an animal called the dog from the wolf and the amount of time it took to create all those different breeds all with *EXTREMELY DIFFERENT* instinctual traits, personalities, aggressiveness, etc did not take very long at all. All that stuff is built into their genes so of course there are enormous differences in different human races.

There was Mitochondrial Eve in Africa (LO haplogroup) which spawned the L1, L2, L3, L4, L5, L6 groups.

L3 divided into Haplogroup M and N which left africa while the L's stayed.

N group is european whites.

M turned into asians, indians, mexicans, etc

And that's all there is too it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Migration_map4.png

If you want to find the most primitive people on earth, you go back to the source of where it all began where the L groups still exist to this day. Science is a bitch and it's not supposed to be politically correct. It's offensive. Too bad liberals just stick their heads in the sand and pretend like it doesn't exist:

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/lynn_and_flynn_files/image002.gif

Some nations live in skyscrapers, some live in mud huts. The reason for this isn't because all humans are equal. Natural selection doesn't create equality.

http://www.vdare.com/images/121910_ss002.jpg

Now lets end this with the destruction of another liberal myth. "Genes, Not Culture: Why the Japanese don't loot":

http://www.vdare.com/taylor/110318_japanese.htm

"“Diversity” is a source of conflict and tension, not strength, and the Japanese know it. Thanks to very restrictive immigration, Japan is one of the most homogeneous nations on earth. Its people know that the country belongs to all of them, and they treat it and each other that way"

Do I also need to remind you that we're 99% equal in genetics to this creature? You can be extremely closely related and still have inherent genetic traits that are extremely different.

http://www.freewebs.com/chimpanzeesite/chimpanzee.jpg

I can't wait for all the whining from San Francisco hairdressers that occurs due to this thread. I'm sure 0 of their complaints will be backed with facts either. And by the way, nothing in this post advocates hatred or murder or death or anything like that. All I did was list what the facts of human evolution are before some fool spams "racism".

Macken

04-02-2011, 03:21 PM

I compared the above commercial to the propaganda of the Nazi party

If you don't understand why this commercial has racial undertones at the very least, you might be a redneck.

An obvious disimilarity is that Nazi propoganda was against citizens of their own country. This is propoganda against another country only as a subtext. The main propoganda is against spend happy American politicians.

Actually there is no discernable racism in the commercial, although the nationalism is blatant.

If you don't know the difference between racism and nationalism, then you might be a redneck from Chappaquiddick.

Japan

04-02-2011, 03:46 PM

lol wehrmacht.

Hasbinbad

04-02-2011, 03:53 PM

Race (for humans) is a concept that allows us to quickly distinguish between various people. At one time that was solely skin color. As we progressed we realized that skin color was not nearly enough to encompass all that a person is. As such, race is now a much more complicated topic. Here is the current US Census Bureau definition. However, I can guarantee you that in ten years it will be different.

From Wikipedia: The OMB defines the concept of race as outlined for the US Census as not "scientific or anthropological" and takes into account "social and cultural characteristics as well as ancestry", using "appropriate scientific methodologies" that are not "primarily biological or genetic in reference."

As far as it being ridiculous to group an Irishman and a Romanian? It is entirely about your goal. If your goal was to separate based upon an umbrella color (i.e. white, black, red, orange, etc) then you are correct and have distinguished correctly. However, you could also say that their skin tones do not match exactly and that it is now an incorrect grouping. Hell, you can take two Irishmen and say they don't belong in the same grouping. You are entirely too hung up on this notion that there is a "correct" way to differentiate between people. There isn't. It is entirely about motives, goals, assumptions made, and whether it is ethically correct to do so.

^^^^^

The classic definition of race is arbitrary. Largely because of the colonial evil that has been done with the backing of that definition, the word "race" has fallen out of favor. "Race" isn't the preferred scientific term, as its definition is extremely loose. For example, "native american" is often called a race, but certain tribes experienced extreme genetic isolation and are not much more genetically comparable to the Apache than they are to us.

So people who say races don't exist aren't wrong, but they are only correct on a boring semantic technicality.

The idea of a unique evolutionary history for grouped populations is scientifically valid. Race would sure be a convenient term for differentiating between these populations, but it's been hijacked by ignorant rednecks and RL bloob reactionaries who are more concerned about arguing with retards than actually furthering human understanding. The word just has too much history to be useful, as long as we live among such shitheads.

tl;dr this whole thing is a semantic argument
Nether one of you has defined what a race is, so I am going to assume that there is in fact no such thing.

Give me a one (two at most?) sentence clear cut definition of what a race is, and I might believe that you two aren't completely idiotic..

Hasbinbad

04-02-2011, 03:55 PM

An obvious disimilarity is that Nazi propoganda was against citizens of their own country. This is propoganda against another country only as a subtext. The main propoganda is against spend happy American politicians.

Actually there is no discernable racism in the commercial, although the nationalism is blatant.

If you don't know the difference between racism and nationalism, then you might be a redneck from Chappaquiddick.
Nazi propaganda was most certainly not only vs. it's own citizens.

The racism in the commercial is an undertone, and if you can't see it.. blah blah.

I think you're probably "not seeing it" on purpose tho, so unless you have something intelligent to say, this conversation is OVER!!!

Hasbinbad

04-02-2011, 03:56 PM

Your first post is it's own rebuttal.
Dude don't even reply to him, he is obviously not the sort of person we liberal dbags would deign finding worthy to speak to.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-02-2011, 04:27 PM

Blatant fallacies.
Not even going to talk to you if you can't address the issues I put forth.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

What fallacies? You call shit "fallacies" every time someone counter-points your argument, you claimed racism, I claimed it as nothing more than cold-war era politics which has nothing to do with race and everything to do with dominance and subjugation.

In all honesty you lost the debate the moment you compared this to the Nazi propaganda, which an actual fallacy cause you're playing a very cliche, highly sensible, "shock" tactics that many neo-cons use to demonize certain movements and ideas.

I don't hate you bro, but you are a very defensive debater one that when countered will be quick to dismiss other opinions by not taking them into account and branding them as fallacies, and as I said before the only reason you're playing the race card is simply because they're Chinese and your only viewing this commercial as something that will hurt the Chinese simply because they have yellow skin, and slanted eyes.

Like I said this is the exact same tactics used by the U.S government to oppose the USSR, the whole premise of "if we don't do this better they will crush and own us" it has nothing to do with hating Cossack descendants but every thing to do with trying to push your rivals off the hill.

Macken

04-02-2011, 04:27 PM

Nazi propaganda was most certainly not only vs. it's own citizens.

The racism in the commercial is an undertone, and if you can't see it.. blah blah.

I think you're probably "not seeing it" on purpose tho, so unless you have something intelligent to say, this conversation is OVER!!!

You are a highly confused redneck who is smart enough to know he is wrong but dumb enough not to realize that everyone else knows too.

Nice try on rebuttal though.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-02-2011, 04:41 PM

With that being said, you will see any video that doesn't involve white people as racist, if I made a video slamming Iraq about fostering an extremist and fundamentalist atmosphere and is filled an auditorium with people in Hijabs screaming death to American imperialism especially in the wake of 24 UN peacekeepers being slaughtered to those said "extremists" you'd probably see this as me hatemongering towards Islamic people because not every Muslim is an extremist...

Even though that was not the point I was stressing, you would see it as that and that is the problem with over-sensibility, it's like we cannot slam another country based on their behavior or actions if that country has cultural differences than us, and that's a shame that many groups of people can do as they wish and receive zero flak when the tables are turned but if it's good ole' America making pejorative statements about a foreign policy, or a group of people then America is being racist and or intolerant.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-02-2011, 04:57 PM

I'm also going to take the liberty to post every country that the U.S has taken the same stance as the one in that video, in short these are countries we've vilified over the years:

England
Spain
Germany
Russia
USSR
Japan
China
Mexico
Italy
Vietnam
Cuba
Columbia
Iraq
Afghanistan
Libya
Egypt
Syria

I mean the list goes on, and with each of these countries we've popped out hateful, scathing, politically motivated media to discredit these nations, and to make them more of a threat than what they really were/are. It also had nothing to do with race, and everything to do with a superiority complex that has been backed up with the notion of "might makes right" our country never gave a shit about what ethnic group we were offending because it doesn't matter to the machine what color skin you have, or what language you speak because when the U.S pops out media like this it's made specifically to foster nationalism and to showcase our superiority because we're "stronger, richer, tougher, and more liberal" than our rivals.

With that said the only slight resemblance that this video would have with Nazi Propaganda has nothing to do with Jewish people, but everything about a country trying to show superiority through force.

Rilkean

04-02-2011, 05:54 PM

I can't wait for all the whining from San Francisco hairdressers that occurs due to this thread. I'm sure 0 of their complaints will be backed with facts either.

Here's some very half assed whining from a san francisco molecular biologist:

1: There are multiple theories of how humans spread throughout the continents and not ONE has been proven yet, not one. There is one strongly supported by the scientific community but even we admit that it is simply an educated guess and nothing more; much different from the big bang theory.

2:
"Some nations live in skyscrapers, some live in mud huts. The reason for this isn't because all humans are equal. Natural selection doesn't create equality."

NATURAL SELECTION / EVOLUTION DOES NOT DENOTE PROGRESS. EVOLUTION IS MOSTLY RANDOM. That is the first thing you learn in evolutionary science. You are a really disgusting racist person, whether or not you admit it.

You have a classic case of Lamarck syndrome :D:D:rolleyes: Poverty ("huts", "IQ" (if you even believe standardized testing to be representative of intelligence in the first place)) is an example of soft inheritance.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-02-2011, 06:06 PM

Here's some very half assed whining from a san francisco molecular biologist:

1: There are multiple theories of how humans spread throughout the continents and not ONE has been proven yet, not one. There is one strongly supported by the scientific community but even we admit that it is simply an educated guess and nothing more; much different from the big bang theory.

2:
"Some nations live in skyscrapers, some live in mud huts. The reason for this isn't because all humans are equal. Natural selection doesn't create equality."

NATURAL SELECTION / EVOLUTION DOES NOT DENOTE PROGRESS. EVOLUTION IS MOSTLY RANDOM. That is the first thing you learn in evolutionary science. You are a really disgusting racist person, whether or not you admit it.

You have a classic case of Lamarck syndrome :D:D:rolleyes: Poverty ("huts", "IQ" (if you even believe standardized testing to be representative of intelligence in the first place)) is an example of soft inheritance.

Resources =/= evolution

Everyone from native african's to aborigines knew how to construct and build tools, the only reason certain cultures advanced further than other cultures was due to resource allocation, and when certain continents had an abundance of copper, iron, coal, lumber etc. they progressed faster than people living in areas where it's just stone and sand. So it was easier to forge copper weapons and go slay people still using stone, take their land, enslave their people to build better copper weapons, the whole notion of human progress has been built on allocating and warring over resource, and subjugating "inferior" people which were less technologically advanced.

Aarone

04-02-2011, 06:10 PM

Everyone from native african's to aborigines knew how to construct and build tools, the only reason certain cultures advanced further than other cultures was do to resource, and when certain continents had an abundance of copper, iron, coal, lumber etc. they progressed faster than people living in areas where it's just stone and sand.

Of course, Abacab gained his extensive degrees in anthropology through a relentless study of Sid Meier's Civilization series....

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-02-2011, 06:24 PM

Of course, Abacab gained his extensive degrees in anthropology through a relentless study of Sid Meier's Civilization series....

Ignorant people don't read books about the subject

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bT2CzLtfRJ8/TRAeJ8lvZxI/AAAAAAAAAvQ/jAa_LxM7cwM/s1600/guns-germs-and-steel.jpg

Nor do they understand common sense that those who found harder more resilient materials would shit all over people who did not, a 10 year old with downs even understands that an iron bar breaks rocks, while a rock cannot break an iron bar.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-02-2011, 06:37 PM

To make it easier for you:

There are two tribes, one to the far north and one to the far south, the north tribe lives in a rocky forested region rich with minerals, lumber, and fairer weather. The group to the south lives in a desert basin.

The south tribe living in an area with such a disadvantage has to eek out what shelter and protection they can, so they're building houses out of reeds, sticks, mud and rock, as this is their only resource in the area. They easily thrive because they build near rivers so they have irrigation systems and clean water at all times.

The tribe to the north has the benefit of living in a secluded area, building houses out of stone, hard lumber, and animal pelt. They thrive due to the variety of their area, hunting game, foraging, making elaborate weapons and traps for the purpose of killing animals.

These two tribes eventually clash over a middle region, the southern tribe who has mostly been a fishing/agricultural society loses in combat to the northern tribe because the northern tribe has perfected stone weaponry, projectiles, and is more adapted to surviving on the go than the southern tribe who has simply settled into a river.

The southern tribe goes back with the loss but they learn how to make stone weaponry and now use that knowledge to change their society based on the northern tribes advancements so next they clash they are on equal footing.

The northern tribe sees this as an issue, so they use harder substances for weaponry leaving behind stone and bone they begin to dig deeper finding harder stones and finally copper, they melt this copper down and pound it out to have a sharp edge which has the ability to cut through stick, stone, and bone. With that advancement they're able to push the south back again because the southern tribe cannot compete with this advancement and even worse the southern tribe doesn't have any form of copper to match par.

The northern tribe begins to fight within itself, moving from copper to iron, from iron to steel just to fight for dominance because the northern tribe has the advantage of resource they out-progress the southern tribe entirely as they're still stick and stone and now the northern tribes are competing with other northern tribes to which each side makes an advancement which is then emulated and improved upon.

Aarone

04-02-2011, 06:39 PM

Ignorant people don't read books about the subject.

Sure they do! :p

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-02-2011, 06:48 PM

Sure they do! :p

Gotta recognize! The only reason some people still make homes out of stick and mud is because they're not sitting on some giant commerce situation where they're constantly trading and warring, so they had no need to progress for the sake of life and death. War and competition is what results in progress, many of our great technological advantages come from situations where it was necessary to take the next step or be wiped out.

Rilkean

04-02-2011, 07:02 PM

Sure they do! :p

Hahhaha

Queladen

04-02-2011, 11:03 PM

I'm really curious where some of you are getting the idea that Asian people are discriminated against in this country I just really don't see it. Is there any basis to this claim or is it just something you are assuming to support your argument of how racist and terrible this commercial is.
@hasbinbad your name calling doesn't surprise me, its the primary fall back for pseudo-intellectual liberals when making an argument

Arclyte

04-02-2011, 11:57 PM

Define racist.

Japan

04-03-2011, 12:13 AM

Give me a one (two at most?) sentence clear cut definition of what a race is, and I might believe that you two aren't completely idiotic..

Evolutionary descent groups. Defined and organized by an arbitrary limit of genetic concordance instead of culture and imperial pseudoscience.

Psionide

04-03-2011, 12:17 AM

I don't usually get into this shit but it's bullshit with all the America bashing, yeah American hasn't been even close to perfect or squeaky clean but America has for the most part has had a overwhelmingly positive outlook on this world's history thus far.

Arclyte

04-03-2011, 12:21 AM

stuff

Even if physical appearance was the only difference between races (which it isn't), is that not evidence of genetic distinction?

Are you telling me that you see no difference between all the peoples of the world?

Rilkean

04-03-2011, 12:34 AM

Even if physical appearance was the only difference between races (which it isn't), is that not evidence of genetic distinction?

Are you telling me that you see no difference between all the peoples of the world?

There are differences but over-all (genetically) those are negligible when we are talking about DNA. NEGLIGIBLE. Evolution occurs over a period of hundreds of thousands to millions of generations (generally), something which humans have not obtained yet... not to mention our genomes show NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER of divergence, if anything due to globalization and transportation...the opposite. The gene(s) for skin color and other genes that differentiate races from one another are only a small part of the code of what makes a human scientifically human.

Social Darwinism is ideas about "survival of the fittest" taken out of their biological context and applied to commerce and human societies as a whole, and misused to justify social inequality, sexism, racism and imperialism.[285]

Alawen Everywhere

04-03-2011, 12:36 AM

Rilkean

04-03-2011, 12:41 AM

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-03-2011, 12:45 AM

Did you actually read the Diamond book, Abacab? If you did, your reading comprehension is shit.

The biggest differences were beasts of burden and the direction of trade routes. Africa and South America both have shitloads of mineral resources, but they didn't have good animals to help with physical labor and the north to south orientation of both continents made it hard to migrate with familiar crops. In contrast, Europe and Asia developed with multiple species of large domesticated mammals and the trade routes developed along longitudinal lines.

Woah econ professor, I don't mean to bust your balls but I'm fairly certain labor is considered a resource, and shit like oxen would fall underneath this. Only an idiot would believe that isolated villages in sub-Sahara Africa, or packs of nomads living in the cold, barren, Mongolian steppes would have had the same resource advantages as the Middle East, Central Europe, and coastal Asian countries.

You're trying to knock me for a simplistic example that only scratches 1% of the reason why certain societies by-passed others, I don't have the time to write a 110 page thesis over human progress from the stone age and on, but if you missed my point that "some areas have advantages over others" and that greatly influenced the way society was forged then the only thing you're doing right now is trolling.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-03-2011, 12:54 AM

Oh and uh.. wehrmacht... I guess you're right. Science is a bitch, and I'm not politically correct: It must be hard for you to swallow that there's almost no (i.e. nothing of importance) genetic difference between you and a black person or an indian or whatever group you have beef with, which from your posting history seems to be blacks but who knows... so you have to proliferate lies and hatred to make yourself feel better.

Go get cozy in your bed tonight, put a gun in your mouth, and pull the trigger because the world would be better without faggots like you.

Truth.

Two white people can have a black baby, just as two black people can have a white baby, because if anywhere down your genetic line be it from a century ago or ten thousand years ago that there is a genetic trait resembling of people from certain areas of the world (asia, africa, native america etc.) it can resurface at any given time.

Genes are genes, it's not race because if people were totally different nothing could be mingled, just like a St. Bernard and a Beagle are both dogs it's just selective breeding that made them different, it's only the genes and both those species can mate cause genetically they're the same.

Racism wouldn't even be the word, it's more like culuralist because we only hate people that don't adhere to our moral standards and the reason some people hate blacks, or asians, or even hispanics comes from a self-gratifying thought that our culture is superior.

Alawen Everywhere

04-03-2011, 12:57 AM

Woah econ professor, I don't mean to bust your balls but I'm fairly certain labor is considered a resource, and shit like oxen would fall underneath this. Only an idiot would believe that isolated villages in sub-Sahara Africa, or packs of nomads living in the cold, barren, Mongolian steppes would have had the same resource advantages as the Middle East, Central Europe, and coastal Asian countries.

You're trying to knock me for a simplistic example that only scratches 1% of the reason why certain societies by-passed others, I don't have the time to write a 110 page thesis over human progress from the stone age and on, but if you missed my point that "some areas have advantages over others" and that greatly influenced the way society was forged then the only thing you're doing right now is trolling.

No, I'm trying to knock you because I think you either didn't read the book or else you didn't understand it. Culture doesn't advance when everybody is busy scratching a subsistence living out of a dirt farm. That's Diamond's thesis on why the golden crescent dominated.

Japan

04-03-2011, 01:16 AM

NEGLIGIBLE. Evolution occurs over a period of hundreds of thousands to millions of generations (generally), something which humans have not obtained yet... not to mention our genomes show NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER of divergence

It's ill-advised to bring the subjective term negligible into your supposedly scientific argument.

Evolution occurs with every generation. Biology isn't like pokemon. your lineage doesn't need to gain a million years of levels before spontaneously pooping out a raichu. Your genetic differentiation from your parents is an example of evolution.

Bio 101 example: Africans present with sickle cell at a higher rate than other populations. Sickle cell disease actually confers a resistance to malaria. Malaria is a huge problem in Africa for white people -- in colonial times we called it the "white man's disease" because we honkies died at alarming rates while the natives were thriving. This didn't come about through natural selection? Our evolutionary history is identical?

You've taken the "99.99% of our genes are the same!" cliche and based a fallacious argument on it. You do not judge what is negligible with your gut and your cock. If it can be detected with statistical significance, it can only be your meaningless uneducated redneck opinion that it is "negligible". Keep that noise to yourself.

Arclyte

04-03-2011, 01:18 AM

Truth.

Two white people can have a black baby, just as two black people can have a white baby, because if anywhere down your genetic line be it from a century ago or ten thousand years ago that there is a genetic trait resembling of people from certain areas of the world (asia, africa, native america etc.) it can resurface at any given time.

Wow. Do you really believe this?

I take it you don't believe in the "out of africa" theory then.

Japan

04-03-2011, 01:18 AM

St. Bernard and a Beagle are both dogs it's just selective breeding that made them different, it's only the genes and both those species can mate cause genetically they're the same.

jesus christ on the fucking cross i raged

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-03-2011, 01:24 AM

Wow. Do you really believe this?

I take it you don't believe in the "out of africa" theory then.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20011175-10391704.html

has happened, do believe

Arclyte

04-03-2011, 01:25 AM

jesus christ on the fucking cross i raged

Didn't you know? Humans = dogs.

It's not like we've been inter-breeding them for centuri......

oh wait

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-03-2011, 01:33 AM

Didn't you know? Humans = dogs.

It's not like we've been inter-breeding them for centuri......

oh wait

Have we not been inter-breeding?

Did the Romans not go all across the world raping women of every color and creed? Did the Mongols not do the same? Did slave owners only use their slaves for cotton picking or did they get some of that free tang when ever possible? Prima Nocta?

People have been interbreeding ever since they found out rape was a fun off-side activity to war and pillaging, to think... We wouldn't have the diversity we have today if a bunch of soldiers didn't rape entire towns of women back in 1422

Arclyte

04-03-2011, 01:33 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20011175-10391704.html

has happened, do believe

According to the BBC, there are three potential reasons for the baby Nmachi's unexpected appearance: "dormant white genes which entered both of her parents' families long ago, a genetic mutation unique to her, or albinism."

So this is your proof?

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-03-2011, 01:35 AM

So this is your proof?

Yeah I do, but unlike this weird unexplainable genetic anomaly yours is quite easy to pinpoint

http://potentialbirmingham.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/downsyndrome.jpg

Typin' hard bro?

Rilkean

04-03-2011, 01:41 AM

Your genetic differentiation from your parents is an example of evolution.

Objection!!

My genetic difference from my parents is an example of recombination, and nothing else.

The necessity of time and multitude denote evolution. What you're talking about in regards to one generation is genetic mutation/recombination and only that, NOT evolution. A person does not evolve. I am not evolved from my mother. I am another generation whose environmental pressures and genetic responses are probably too muddy to make out, and are NOT representative of a POPULATION. I dunno what your troubled weeaboo cock is telling you to think I'm sorry :(

As to your sickle cell comment, environmental pressures do create genetic changes, but that is a very micro-change and happening in a more pressured environment... That is labeled ADAPTATION... not to mention completely unrelated to arguments like intelligence and capabilities yadda yadda. Also another pathetically easy counterpoint to wehrmacht's arguments is nature vs nurture.

P1999 has PROVEN that intelligence is not a factor that nature is currently selecting for.

By the way bro I try not to bring this up but I have my degree in Molecular, Cellular, and Developmental Biology, so maybe you should shut your hole.

Japan

04-03-2011, 01:45 AM

Alawen Everywhere

04-03-2011, 01:54 AM

Abacab, your pseudointellectualism wears thin fast when you get out of liberal arts and into something fact-based.

Go take a genetics class pal, it would do you good. Step outside those elaborate sophistries you pretend are wit masking your intellect. And please never use a media outlet as a source on a scientific topic.

I just wasted about fifteen minutes trying to find anything fact-based about that white Nigerian kid. It could pretty easily be completely made up.

This could make me angry, but instead I'll just go to bed.

Japan

04-03-2011, 01:54 AM

My genetic difference from my parents is an example of recombination, and nothing else.

Genetic recombination is one mechanism by which the process of evolution and natural selection proceeds. Recombinant procreation was selected for because it enhances genetic diversity and increases the rate at which a species adapts to selection pressures. It's a perfect example of the power of evolution.

As to your sickle cell comment, environmental pressures do create genetic changes, but that is a very micro-change and happening in a more pressured environment... Not to mention completely unrelated to arguments like intelligence and capabilities yadda yadda.

Italicized is the definition of natural selection.

Evolution manifests as a multitude of "micro-change"s (did you forget that I ripped into you for using these bullshit subjective terms? or do you have no comprehension of what I meant? seriously, this paragraph isn't even an argument); as I said, you don't go from redneck twit speaking past his intellect to raichu in one step. As a rule, any random phenotype which is drastically different from the parent will not fare well. See: virtually any birth defect. A billion baby steps, not a few big ones.

Arclyte

04-03-2011, 01:55 AM

Have we not been inter-breeding?

Did the Romans not go all across the world raping women of every color and creed? Did the Mongols not do the same? Did slave owners only use their slaves for cotton picking or did they get some of that free tang when ever possible? Prima Nocta?

People have been interbreeding ever since they found out rape was a fun off-side activity to war and pillaging, to think... We wouldn't have the diversity we have today if a bunch of soldiers didn't rape entire towns of women back in 1422

Comparing interbreeding of dogs, animals domesticated and breed for use in war or as pets for as long as history allows, to ancient interracial rape, is not a viable analogy. It's not even close.

Rilkean

04-03-2011, 01:57 AM

Genetic recombination is one mechanism by which the process of evolution and natural selection proceeds. Recombinant procreation was selected for because it enhances genetic diversity and increases the rate at which a species adapts to selection pressures. It's a perfect example of the power of evolution.

Italicized is the definition of natural selection.

Evolution manifests as a multitude of "micro-change"s (did you forget that I ripped into you for using these bullshit subjective terms? or do you have no comprehension of what I meant? seriously, this paragraph isn't even an argument); as I said, you don't go from redneck twit speaking past his intellect to raichu in one step.

Guess you missed the part about adaptation? Go watch some hentai noob. Glad you know what wikipedia.org is and consider yourself an expert on a topic because you can google.

Adaptation vs evolution, pretty good concept, check it out some time.

Rilkean

04-03-2011, 02:04 AM

It's ill-advised to bring the subjective term negligible into your supposedly scientific argument.

Evolution occurs with every generation. Biology isn't like pokemon. your lineage doesn't need to gain a million years of levels before spontaneously pooping out a raichu. Your genetic differentiation from your parents is an example of evolution.

Bio 101 example: Africans present with sickle cell at a higher rate than other populations. Sickle cell disease actually confers a resistance to malaria. Malaria is a huge problem in Africa for white people -- in colonial times we called it the "white man's disease" because we honkies died at alarming rates while the natives were thriving. This didn't come about through natural selection? Our evolutionary history is identical?

You've taken the "99.99% of our genes are the same!" cliche and based a fallacious argument on it. You do not judge what is negligible with your gut and your cock. If it can be detected with statistical significance, it can only be your meaningless uneducated redneck opinion that it is "negligible". Keep that noise to yourself.

Do you even know what DIVERGENCE is, in regards to biology? It's fucking SPECIATION. Jesus christ, who is calling who a redneck? Done with your idiot ass, maybe you should take the advice you gave abacab.

Japan

04-03-2011, 02:14 AM

Do you even know what DIVERGENCE is, in regards to biology? It's fucking SPECIATION. Jesus christ, who is calling who a redneck? Done with your idiot ass, maybe you should take the advice you gave abacab.

in case you change your mind, I'd love to know what you're implying with this apparent non-sequitur. Since I provided an example of divergence in the paragraph you quoted, I'm not sure I understand why you seem to accuse me of being ignorant of its existence.

Not to mention my entire argument since the first post I made in this thread is based on genetic divergence.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-03-2011, 02:22 AM

Y'all are a bunch of fags, that turned this from some anti-nationalist debate with Hasbinbad calling everyone racists to who has the oldest copy of origin of species

Japan

04-03-2011, 02:27 AM

the meth got me postin angry

Rilkean

04-03-2011, 02:31 AM

in case you change your mind, I'd love to know what you're implying with this apparent non-sequitur. Since I provided an example of divergence in the paragraph you quoted, I'm not sure I understand why you seem to accuse me of being ignorant of its existence.

Not to mention my entire argument since the first post I made in this thread is based on genetic divergence.

Yes and I don't understand why you are seemingly "pro" homo sapien "divergence" when that would essentially be claiming that we are well on the way to speciation based on... race. An idea any established evolutionary biologist would scoff at. Basically things that you are accusing me of being "subjective" about are actually scientific terms that you literally do not understand.

You are talking about microevolution and adaptation while I originally addressed macro evolution. Nothing I have said is "subjective" or grey. Don't take a genetics course, take an evolution course. This time I am REALLY done.

Japan

04-03-2011, 02:42 AM

You have arbitrarily defined divergence as only existing once the genetic difference is so great that the population groups are two species. I don't, and that has worked wonderfully for me for years in the field because it's an inconsequential semantic difference. It's a soft term.

I'm not sure whether I'm using the word that conveys the right degree of genetic differentiation here or not, but either way this part of the argument swings, you have established that you don't understand the processes of evolution and I have established that I do.

Off with you.

Aarone

04-03-2011, 09:59 AM

Objection!!

P1999 has PROVEN that intelligence is not a factor that nature is currently selecting for.

Quite possibly the most cogent point in this damn thread in the first place!!

Japan

04-03-2011, 12:50 PM

No matter how much evidence you present Wehr, racism comes down to making a value judgment that one race is superior. It's not a scientific question.

I don't think anyone disagrees at this point that blacks more violent and less intelligent to a degree of statistical significance. The stats speak for themselves. Yes, genetics contribute. What's your point?

Hasbinbad

04-03-2011, 01:07 PM

I'm really curious where some of you are getting the idea that Asian people are discriminated against in this country I just really don't see it. Is there any basis to this claim or is it just something you are assuming to support your argument of how racist and terrible this commercial is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Johj5WEYzZo

This kind of attitude is prevalent. Many are not quite so forthcoming..

Ching chong, ling long, ting tooooong dude. Ching chong, ling long, ting tong.

wehrmacht

04-03-2011, 01:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Johj5WEYzZo

This kind of attitude is prevalent. Many are not quite so forthcoming..

Ching chong, ling long, ting tooooong dude. Ching chong, ling long, ting tong.

The only reason anyone gives a flying crap about that girl is because she's white and looks like a bimbo with an annoying voice. If a black or hispanic person made the video, people would laugh at it. Next the college would see the video online and launch a police investigation into why asians are preventing blacks from studying in the library.

Here is, not a student, but a black professor from North Carolina who made a speech saying all white people have to be exterminated:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0

If it was a white person doing that, it would have been on every single news outlet on the entire planet for 1 month straight. This guy wasn't on a single evening news story except some minor fox news segment. That's called a double standard.

DetroitVelvetSmooth

04-03-2011, 01:52 PM

Appropriate avatar.

wehrmacht

04-03-2011, 02:17 PM

Can't believe someone used the word weeaboo in this thread.

Aarone

04-03-2011, 02:26 PM

Rilkean

04-03-2011, 02:36 PM

What we have here are two sexist, racist idiots proclaiming that nature overrides nurture (Wow, where's your evidence for that? The world is waiting. Can you cure HIV next?)

wehrmacht

04-03-2011, 02:44 PM

You know, I was going to put up yet another response to the really stunning quality of ignorance that's abounding in this thread.

But Mel Brooks says it so much better (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJkHykGRXrw) than I can. :D

Yea, it's a lot easier for the liberals to try and divert the subject to something else or ignore the facts entirely while screaming "yall racis".

I love how they all avoided the talk of the domestication of the wolf into dogs. The time required to do that was extremely short for all the variety created. Now someone will spam something about selective breeding. We selective breed ourselves, you don't just run up to some broad and rape her.

The best the "molecular biologist" could come up with was ignoring every fact and statistic I put up and post this:

Oh and uh.. wehrmacht... I guess you're right. Science is a bitch, and I'm not politically correct: It must be hard for you to swallow that there's almost no (i.e. nothing of importance) genetic difference between you and a black person or an indian or whatever group you have beef with, which from your posting history seems to be blacks but who knows... so you have to proliferate lies and hatred to make yourself feel better.

Go get cozy in your bed tonight, put a gun in your mouth, and pull the trigger because the world would be better without faggots like you.

That's a real scientific response right there lol

Rilkean

04-03-2011, 02:47 PM

It is, the world WOULD be better off without people like you on it. Not to mention your shitty paper only states that the higher level of testosterone is 15%, and that it causes higher rates of CANCER. Find more studies pertaining to your bullshit social darwinism please, let's stay on the topic. That paper has NOTHING to do with your point. NEITHER DOES "THE BELL CURVE" which any fucking statistics 101 course would also laugh at, maybe you just feel really left out of academia and all that so you have to proclaim it's uselessness.

Have fun stuck on the internet!! The only place where people have the balls to pseudo agree with your shitty inhumane worthless ideas about race and gender.

RE: your bullshit about domesticating dogs: Again, it's one gene (thereabouts). Adaptation, of a single gene, making a creature better suited for it's environment. Also, it's REAL *REAL* easy to undo everything you selected for with maybe 3 days of physical punishment. There goes your Nature > Nurture!

Also: I don't feel the need to respond delicately and articulately to someone so obviously, well, disgusting.

Potus

04-03-2011, 03:34 PM

You're obviously not preaching mathematical certainty to people or even pseudo certainty - consensus. Everyone knows consensus in non-mathematical fields is nothing but far left, tenured professors all trying to act as information gatekeepers pushing some kind of social ideology. Usually it's collectivism and communism. It's hard to assimilate everyone into collectivism without also pushing the lie that everyone on earth is also identical.

I'm in the academic community and you're totally right. When the revolution comes you're going to be the first against the wall. My mulatto wife makes me apologize for slavery before we have sex.

wehrmacht

04-03-2011, 03:53 PM

sexist idiots proclaiming

Did you just discover today that men are sexist? I doubt you wake up in the morning and say "Boy, I sure wanna go fuck a beta male today". Pretty much any guy that you would want to invest more than 3 seconds in doesn't think you're their equal.

Women want guys that are stronger, smarter, richer, basically better at everything than they are. If men on average were worse at all these things, the human race probably would have ceased to exist long ago. Maybe it's your own doing that you selective breed for those traits.

It is, the world WOULD be better off without people like you on it.

Also: I don't feel the need to respond delicately and articulately to someone so obviously, well, disgusting.

LOL. You're the one calling people "faggots" and talking about how people you don't agree with need to be killed. You're the most intolerant one in this thread. You believe you can get away with all this because someone on TV told you that if you just conform to what they say, you get to have a free ride on the moral high ground. Well sorry, that's just delusional.

I already caught you in a an earlier post basically eluding to the fact that life has no purpose which means nihilism is in full play yet you still act like you're the saint of the thread and everyone else worships satan.

You don't know anything about me yet make all these stupid assumptions then start basically sending me death threats. Lets assume I'm as horrible as you say I am. Since as I mentioned above that you already eluded to the idea of life having no purpose and nihilism in general, if I was a "racist" as you call it, how and why is that bad when you don't really have a moral basis in the first place? Because Oprah told you? Jesus? Aliens?

The only reason humans don't walk around killing and eating each other like great white sharks, is that in the past, they were always beneficial to each other for survival and a division of labor process developed. If overpopulation continues on course, all this utilitarianism is going to go out the window. You can already see the effects today in how people treat each other in rural areas vs the city.

Also, I think I saw you in Washington the other day:

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/000-0929164229-6337SaveThePlanetKillYourself.jpg

Potus

04-03-2011, 04:06 PM

Did you just discover today that men are sexist? I doubt you wake up in the morning and say "Boy, I sure wanna go fuck a beta male today". Pretty much any guy that you would want to invest more than 3 seconds in doesn't think you're their equal.

When I teach history, I refer to every founding father as a racist and a slaveowner before mentioning their name. "Our first president was Racist, Slaveowning George Washington. Yes, what a good man he was!"

I do this until we get to Lincoln, who I revere like a God if I wasn't such an atheist. And then I go into my office and burn all the evidence that Lincoln was a member of the Zionist Jewish Lizardman Banking Conspiracy that wants to take your guns and make you watch the NBA.

Thanks for your tax dollars! ^___^

Aarone

04-03-2011, 04:11 PM

And then I go into my office and burn all the evidence that Lincoln was a member of the Zionist Jewish Lizardman Banking Conspiracy that wants to take your guns and make you watch the NBA.

Damn Iksar are turning up everywhere!

Potus

04-03-2011, 04:44 PM

Damn Iksar are turning up everywhere!

Iksar are the best race. Coincidence?

Sony is in on it!

Rilkean

04-03-2011, 10:03 PM

I already caught you in a an earlier post basically eluding to the fact that life has no purpose which means nihilism is in full play yet you still act like you're the saint of the thread and everyone else worships satan.

Hey you fucking racist shitbag, how come in the same post you "Uncovered" my nihilism, you proclaimed I couldn't possibly think life was pointless and that this meant my precious worldview was RUINED by biology and the undermeanings of evolution? You're a racist nazi spitting up shit all over his computer. I seriously hope you are the victim of an act of random violence. Literally. You or your family, whatever monsters created you also deserve severe punishment.

wehrmacht

04-03-2011, 11:21 PM

Hey you fucking racist shitbag, how come in the same post you "Uncovered" my nihilism, you proclaimed I couldn't possibly think life was pointless and that this meant my precious worldview was RUINED by biology and the undermeanings of evolution? You're a racist nazi spitting up shit all over his computer. I seriously hope you are the victim of an act of random violence. Literally. You or your family, whatever monsters created you also deserve severe punishment.

Re-read the post. You either believe it's one way or the other. It can't be both at the same time. All I could picture while reading the text above was some girl running around smashing a keyboard over her head screaming.

Besides pointing out scientific facts about how everyone on the planet is not identical, I never even said anything about what my personal ideology was. It just gets to be annoying as hell when people try to make that claim because their agenda when saying it is always trying to push some kind of collectivism, socialism, or communism.

My username on this website isn't "wehrmacht" because I'm a nazi. It's because some guy named Solid made our guild name <Holocaust> on the TZVZ PvP server and I made this as a joke name while in the guild.

I'm not some evil monster typing a bunch of stuff on here trying to make you cry or something. If you read your above post quoted, it looks far more intolerant and hateful than anything I typed.

Do you really have to be a nazi to say that if white and asian people didn't exist, that the train, airplane, car, internet, integrated circuit, space shuttle, etc, wouldn't exist either? I mean seriously, get real here. Tribal warlordism isn't a solid foundation for creating that stuff. Does it really bother you that much to talk about the nature of reality?

I'm not some mindless stormfront member. I just know enough about economics, psychology, sociology, and genetics to know what you can achieve with each variable. I don't "hide" on the internet either. I'll talk about any of these issues to someone's face regardless of their race. I also live in Atlanta that's 70% black 30% white. We have a few issues here that you probably do not have in "limousine liberal" San Francisco.

Most actual intelligent blacks are focused on trying to create their own self sufficient societies instead of groveling to be accepted by whites. I think if you lived here, you would become the subject of the following quote. As far as I'm concerned, you've already practiced "white flight":

"I regard the Klan, the Anglo-Saxon clubs and White American societies, as far as the Negro is concerned, as better friends of the race than all other groups of hypocritical whites put together. I like honesty and fair play. You may call me a Klansman if you will, but, potentially, every white man is a Klansman, as far as the Negro in competition with whites socially, economically and politically is concerned, and there is no use lying.” - Marcus Garvey

"The whole matter revolves around the self-respect of my people. How much satisfaction can I get from a court order for somebody to associate with me who does not wish me near them? The American Indian has never been spoken of as a minority and chiefly because there is no whine in the Indian. Certainly he fought, and valiantly for his lands, and rightfully so, but it is inconceivable of an Indian to seek forcible association with anyone. His well known pride and self-respect would save him from that. I take the Indian position. Now a great clamor will arise in certain quarters that I seek to deny the Negro children of the South their rights, and therefore I am one of those "handkerchief-head ******s" who bow low before the white man and sell out my own people out of cowardice. However an analytical glance will show that that is not the case.

For this reason, I regard the ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court as insulting rather than honoring my race. Since the days of the never-to-be-sufficiently-deplored Reconstruction, there has been current the belief that there is no greater delight to Negroes than the physical association with whites." - Zora Hurston

Queladen

04-04-2011, 12:11 AM

This thread makes me laugh, i think Rilkean needs a little backup guys. She? is getting cut to shreds here.

Alawen Everywhere

04-04-2011, 12:35 AM

This thread makes me laugh, i think Rilkean needs a little backup guys. She? is getting cut to shreds here.

She's not cut out for this. She resorted to vitriol and name-calling immediately when confronted with a world view different from her own. I have no idea how she manages this extreme cognitive dissonance.

Shrubwise

04-04-2011, 01:00 AM

http://www.projectmayhemguild.org/images/WeNeedYouRnF.jpg

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 01:02 AM

She's not cut out for this. She resorted to vitriol and name-calling immediately when confronted with a world view different from her own. I have no idea how she manages this extreme cognitive dissonance.

Rofl, how could you NOT wish death on a social darwinist/eugenics loser? Honestly. If you don't, you are a huge pussy and deserve the same.

Potus

04-04-2011, 01:02 AM

Yes, Blacks are for segregation!

-A racist guy named after the German Army

DetroitVelvetSmooth

04-04-2011, 01:12 AM

werh is right about a couple things, and wildly, tragically wrong about several others. seems like a nice guy. tragic. tragic. seems like he thinks hes a pretty smart guy though, so good for him. gonna give this thread a 3 and a half, round it up to four. good stuff bro, keep on thinkin about thinkin.

wehrmacht

04-04-2011, 01:13 AM

Rofl, how could you NOT wish death on a social darwinist/eugenics loser? Honestly. If you don't, you are a huge pussy and deserve the same.

Where is a quote of me advocating killing people or any of these other wild claims you have made.

It's funny you mentioned eugenics because many people would argue that natural selection ended for humans around the start of the industrial revolution which made the childhood death rate plummet. People used to have a truck full of kids and all the little things would just croak. Now all of them are making into adulthood to reproduce.

I mean, you could basically argue that being anti-eugenics is dooming the human race to the movie Idiocracy.

I can't wait for the baby killing insult something or other from this post.

Alawen Everywhere

04-04-2011, 01:17 AM

Rofl, how could you NOT wish death on a social darwinist/eugenics loser? Honestly. If you don't, you are a huge pussy and deserve the same.

When did he advocate controlled breeding? I'm not sure I'd be against that and I'd certainly listen to a well-reasoned argument for it.

I think differing views are very important. People think differently from each other. I think most of it is interesting. I wound up on a big research tangent from this thread last night and I'm still wondering if erectus and/or neanderthalensis had 24 haploid pairs. It's too bad we don't find some really old frozen dude somewhere.

Wehrmacht has posted some interesting if controversial things in this thread. You've mostly posted really hateful ad hominem attacks. I think you're having trouble keeping perspective on this.

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 01:18 AM

You're probably reading this and horrified that your textbook drone education has you walking around inadvertently telling people that.

If you were to claim a purpose to life does exist, the most logical answer to that would be to reproduce. So whoever becomes the biggest, mindless baby making machine and spreads their DNA to make it to the next level is the winner.

Since you're a politically correct frisco lesbian, that might be a little uncomfortable topic for you since you advocate full blown multiculturalism and miscegenation. If you decided to practice that agenda, you would be diluting your genetic stock greatly each time and eventually into nothing.

Sorry you disgusting seriously disturbed sexist asshole, you did claim that it HORRIFIED ME! this ASTOUNDING conclusion that life is meaningless.

Look, how you can call me a frisco lesbian, tell me all men assume they're better than me, post BULLSHIT IQ charts about which races have which IQ's and even reference the bell curve, yet ALAWEN You're the one calling ME out on a fucking psychological issue? You should be fucking ashamed of yourself bro, all of you should for even putting up with this type of utter trash from racist pigheaded bullshit. RIGHT THERE He's talking about "Diluting genetic stock" you FUCKING IDIOT^^^

Pico

04-04-2011, 01:19 AM

noted shitheads wermacht and alawen are spewing shit.

mind blown

Potus

04-04-2011, 01:22 AM

noted shitheads wermacht and alawen are spewing shit.

mind blown

Alawen Everywhere

04-04-2011, 01:23 AM

Sorry you disgusting seriously disturbed sexist asshole, you did claim that it HORRIFIED ME! this ASTOUNDING conclusion that life is meaningless.

Look, how you can call me a frisco lesbian, tell me all men assume they're better than me, post BULLSHIT IQ charts about which races have which IQ's and even reference the bell curve, yet ALAWEN You're the one calling ME out on a fucking psychological issue? You should be fucking ashamed of yourself bro, all of you should for even putting up with this type of utter trash from racist pigheaded bullshit. RIGHT THERE He's talking about "Diluting genetic stock" you FUCKING IDIOT^^^

I don't know anything about your psychological condition based on your outrage over some non-PC talk except that you're not handling it very gracefully. I just don't think you're cut out for this kind of conversation. Life is short. Do things you enjoy.

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 01:23 AM

I mean, you could basically argue that being anti-eugenics is dooming the human race

No need for backup. Thanks though.

Foxx

04-04-2011, 01:24 AM

rilkean u are getting trolled so hard its sad, let the kid talk to himself dont let him play with u lmao

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 01:24 AM

I don't know anything about your psychological condition based on your outrage over some non-PC talk except that you're not handling it very gracefully. I just don't think you're cut out for this kind of conversation. Life is short. Do things you enjoy.

What type of CONVERSATION is this? Reading about neo nazi bullshit and being called a frisco lesbian when I talk about genetics? You don't know what the fuck I enjoy. Maybe I enjoy posting on these boards and calling you racist fucktwats out.

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 01:25 AM

rilkean u are getting trolled so hard its sad, let the kid talk to himself dont let him play with u lmao

ur right, let me wipe my tears...

Alawen Everywhere

04-04-2011, 01:26 AM

noted shitheads wermacht and alawen are spewing shit.

mind blown

Wtf? I pointed out that Abacab missed Diamond's thesis and that Rilkean's wishes of violence were over the line.

I hope you get a hang nail. You deserve to run out of hot water next time you shower. If your parents overdraw their checking account, justice will be served. <-- My kinder, gentler bad wishes for you and your family.

Alawen Everywhere

04-04-2011, 01:35 AM

What type of CONVERSATION is this? Reading about neo nazi bullshit and being called a frisco lesbian when I talk about genetics? You don't know what the fuck I enjoy. Maybe I enjoy posting on these boards and calling you racist fucktwats out.

What did I say that was racist? I'm not denying that I am racist, because I know I am. I'm highly aware that all humans tend toward xenophobia. I was half of a mixed couple for six years and I've heard every kind of slur you can imagine, including once from my boss regarding my girlfriend at the time. I've been called all kinds of shit when I was staying in Harlem and during the time I lived in the Mission. Racism isn't something whites do to other people. The most racist people I've known have been Han Chinese (coincidentally the largest ethnic group in the world), Japanese and American black.

Hey, if you get off on your hate speech, more power to you, but see it for what it is. You're wishing violence upon someone who doesn't share your belief system or, in my case, someone else who doesn't think opposing viewpoints have to be attacked and stifled.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-04-2011, 01:38 AM

ITT: Pseudo-intellectualism to ad hominem

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 01:38 AM

:rolleyes: As the "right" say (since german nazi boy likes to make it about right and left) all opinions aren't created equal ^_^

I have racisms but I am not so stupid as to consider the ideaa of eugenics or genetic shortcomings for entirety of races. I'm especially not such a bad person that I would even begin to claim that blacks have the lowest IQ, which he did. I don't give a fuck if he lives in ATL, as a matter of fact, that makes him more likely to be racist as fuck. He could be asian or black or white saying this shit, he'd still get a fisting from me either way. Hope you die as a bystander in black gang violence you worthless piece of shit~

wehrmacht

04-04-2011, 01:42 AM

Sorry you disgusting seriously disturbed sexist asshole

This thread is working great to recruit people for Red P1999

What type of CONVERSATION is this? being called a frisco lesbian when I talk about genetics?

lol, I posted that on the picture thread:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11887&page=107

It was the serious look + no makeup and semi frown. I was like hmm this is either a lesbian or one hardcore liberal. It seems I was at least 1/2 right.

Reading about neo nazi bullshit

I don't see any neo nazi stuff.

Hope you die as a bystander in black gang violence you worthless piece of shit

I know plenty of black people, i'll go link the one standing next to me in that picture to this thread so he can laugh at your death threats

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 01:45 AM

This thread is working great to recruit people for Red P1999

lol, I posted that on the picture thread:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11887&page=107

It was the serious look + no makeup and semi frown. I was like hmm this is either a lesbian or one hardcore liberal. It seems I was at least 1/2 right.

I don't see any neo nazi stuff.

None of your claims are right, not to mention I barely noticed your comment about me because I'm 100% secure about my looks, and probably way too hot to be even reading something your most likely disgustingly ugly ass has even typed. Also I do not align myself with any existing political party - But this isn't about me, let's go back to your disgusting chauvinist bullshit shall we?

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-04-2011, 01:46 AM

Wehrmacht the worst thing about her picture isn't the fact she looks like a "lesbian" or a "liberal" it's that HUGE amount of acne that's scattered across her erudite looking head...

for fucks sake Rikean wash your face, I'd hate to see what lies beneath those panties if something as common as soap and hot water are foreign to you.

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 01:48 AM

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-04-2011, 01:49 AM

:rolleyes::rolleyes: I've seen your photos, you're literally as dirty as a homeless person, nice try though.

Yeah but I look dirty/homeless to be ironic, since it's post-scene and very cult at the moment.

You just look dirty because you refuse to pay $19.99 for some accutane

wehrmacht

04-04-2011, 01:50 AM

None of your claims are right, not to mention I barely noticed your comment about me because I'm 100% secure about my looks, and probably way too hot to be even reading something your most likely disgustingly ugly ass has even typed

Mine is under yours and I'm standing next to a black guy I know, do you want me to get him to come post in this thread lol

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 01:50 AM

Mine is under yours and I'm standing next to a black guy I know, do you want me to get him to come post in this thread lol

Yeah he should read it and tell us how he feels

Foxx

04-04-2011, 01:51 AM

:rolleyes::rolleyes: I've seen your photos, you're literally as dirty as a homeless person, nice try though.

lol rilkean calling out abacab for being a hipster who doesnt believe in showers or haircuts

wehrmacht

04-04-2011, 01:51 AM

Yeah he should read it and tell us how he feels

alright, lemme see if he's on aim

lol rilkean calling out abacab for being a hipster who doesnt believe in showers or haircuts

Abacab does sound like he would be covered in mud. All his posts about music were like "yo yo I got this new grunge dirt-core" cd

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 01:54 AM

Mine is under yours and I'm standing next to a black guy I know, do you want me to get him to come post in this thread lol

I like Pico's prompt response after your photos about how you look like white fucking trash.

Potus

04-04-2011, 01:56 AM

I don't see any neo nazi stuff.

Lol, the crap about Judaism is about as neo-nazi as you can get.

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-04-2011, 01:57 AM

lol rilkean calling out abacab for being a hipster who doesnt believe in showers or haircuts

I was so mad when she said that I started a Fugazi-esque post-rock band called "Freu le Schuan" you probably wouldn't understand

Abacab "The REAL truth"

04-04-2011, 01:59 AM

Lol, the crap about Judaism is about as neo-nazi as you can get.

Or about as Palestinian as you can get... Wehr's view about Israeli Jews is the same sentiments shared by 99% of the Arab world

wehrmacht

04-04-2011, 01:59 AM

I like Pico's prompt response after your photos about how you look like white fucking trash.

sweet

The santa claus hat dude was photoshopped in to troll the thread but some people think it's real for some reason

I need a quote about being a bad person and killing babies too please.

Potus

04-04-2011, 02:03 AM

Haha you posted racial intelligence graphs. Yes no neo-nazi arguments here.

wehrmacht

04-04-2011, 02:07 AM

Haha you posted racial intelligence graphs. Yes no neo-nazi arguments here.

Are you claiming they are incorrect? Tossing preconditioned attack phrases like "nazi" doesn't make them associated with the nazi party or untrue.

Alawen Everywhere

04-04-2011, 02:09 AM

I was feeling outdone by wehrmacht's avatar. I feel better now.

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 02:35 AM

Mmm mmmm look at that sig!! You must have a huge crush on me. And are a racist but we knew that already...

Potus

04-04-2011, 02:37 AM

Are you claiming they are incorrect? Tossing preconditioned attack phrases like "nazi" doesn't make them associated with the nazi party or untrue.

Yup, that book is garbage and IQ tests in general are highly suspect. Also you associated yourself with neo-nazism not me.

wehrmacht

04-04-2011, 03:56 AM

Mmm mmmm look at that sig!! You must have a huge crush on me. And are a racist but we knew that already...

This is like owning a pet parrot that you keep in your living room and every time you walk by it to get something from the fridge, it goes, RACIST RACIST tweet tweet RACIST

Rilkean

04-04-2011, 04:34 AM

This is like owning a pet parrot that you keep in your living room and every time you walk by it to get something from the fridge, it goes, RACIST RACIST tweet tweet RACIST

So it's confirmed then, raging boner

Hasbinbad

04-04-2011, 04:37 AM

Guys, guys, guys..

Lay off the fucking meth.

Drugs are ba'ad, mm'kay?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y7yn6l4emu4/TYFuQj2NyGI/AAAAAAAAAGE/l1zTCU0EEBw/s1600/Mr_Mackey.jpg

DetroitVelvetSmooth

04-04-2011, 04:43 AM

lol itttechbiologist tag. wehrmacht is like that intense but hopeless kid in your philosophy classes in college. lots of time to think, very little iq to think with.

wehrmacht

04-04-2011, 07:15 AM

So it's confirmed then, raging boner

You're alright for a video game nerd

Japan

04-04-2011, 10:45 AM

in your philosophy classes in college

not sure what you mean bro, i was busy getting an education in college

DetroitVelvetSmooth

04-04-2011, 12:20 PM

aw what, arguing isn't a respectable major?

Shrubwise

04-04-2011, 10:08 PM

nnnnnrrrrrrr

Aarone

04-04-2011, 10:37 PM

nnnnnrrrrrrr

Now this is brilliance! :D

Alawen Everywhere

04-04-2011, 11:45 PM

I read an article by Glenn Greenwald on Salon.com today that made me think of this thread. Here's the relevant part:

[M]any people purport to believe in free speech but don't. The whole point of the First Amendment is that one is free to express the most marginalized, repellent, provocative and offensive ideas. Those are the views that are always targeted for suppression. Mainstream orthodoxies, harmless ideas, and inoffensive platitudes require no protection as they are not, by definition, vulnerable to censorship. But as has been repeatedly seen in history, ideas that are despised and marginalized are often proven right, while ideas that enjoy the status of orthodoxy prove to be deeply erroneous or even evil. That's why no rational person trusts the state -- or even themselves -- to create lists of Prohibited Ideas. And those who endorse the notion that ideas they hate should be forcibly suppressed inevitably -- and deservedly -- will have their own ideas eventually targeted by the same repressive instruments.

If you're someone who wants to vest the state with the power to punish the expression of certain views on the grounds that the view is so wrong and/or hurtful that its expression should not be permitted -- as European countries and Canada routinely do -- then you're someone who does not believe in free speech, by definition; what you believe is that one is free to express only those viewpoints which the majority of citizens (and the State) allow to be expressed. Many of the most important views throughout history have been, at some point, hurtful, dangerous and even violence-engendering. The whole reason for free speech protections is to safeguard such ideas -- despised by the majority -- from suppression.

Rilkean

04-05-2011, 05:48 PM

hey wermacht I know you love me but can you stop sending me PMs thanks

Massive Marc

04-05-2011, 06:01 PM

Hey Rilkean how much does your Pussy............cat weigh ?

wehrmacht

04-05-2011, 09:16 PM

hey wermacht I know you love me but can you stop sending me PMs thanks

rofl, I sent you a pm saying to stop posting lesbian propaganda movies. Here I'll post the whole thing on here:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
This video you posted in the rape thread was awful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEj-M...eature=related

This woman is all complaining about how terrible society is because it's patriarchal then offers no explanation for how or why a matriarchal society would be better.

It's always slightly overweight redhead women pulling this stuff. They see how society treats good looking women as 1st class citizens, men 2nd, ugly women 3rd, then they whine trying to get the same undeserved benefits of the vapid, good looking women.

I think you need to be taken to some kind of re-education facility like in the movie Clockwork Orange.

Shrubwise

04-05-2011, 10:41 PM

Now this is brilliance! :D

just upping my post count by spreading thoughtless drivel

Basically, most of the posts in this thread :)

Rilkean

04-05-2011, 10:48 PM

wermacht nobody cares shut the fuck up

Rilkean

04-05-2011, 11:16 PM

Hey wehrmacht your opinion on anything is invalid because you're a severely prejudiced disgusting person

Alawen Everywhere

04-05-2011, 11:23 PM

Hey wehrmacht your opinion on anything is invalid because you're a severely prejudiced disgusting person

Ad hominem abusive.

Rilkean

04-05-2011, 11:25 PM

Ad hominem abusive.

It's a basic one, but too bad it's true in this case. Fuck your stupid debate vocabulary by the way, I can hear your snotty asthma voice coming through the computer

wehrmacht

04-05-2011, 11:27 PM

It's a basic one, but too bad it's true in this case. Fuck your stupid debate vocabulary by the way, I can hear your snotty asthma voice coming through the computer

Your mental condition inspired me to create a new thread on why people like you exist in the first place: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=257085#post257085

Potus

04-05-2011, 11:28 PM

Wehrmacht please post more racist material from Stormfront.org, I can't stop laughing at the glory of the white "race"

Bruno

04-05-2011, 11:34 PM

Why are people hating on asthmatics lol?!

wehrmacht

04-05-2011, 11:38 PM

Wehrmacht please post more racist material from Stormfront.org, I can't stop laughing at the glory of the white "race"

I don't see any "stormfront material" and have no idea what's posted there. These are the same feeble minded attempts that people like you always use. Trying to apply preconditioned attack labels to anyone that destroys your politically correct world view. You're completely incapable of debunking any of the objective data so have to result to that.

Potus

04-05-2011, 11:40 PM

I don't see any "stormfront material" and have no idea what's posted there. These are the same feeble minded attempts that people like you always use. Trying to apply preconditioned attack labels to anyone that destroys your politically correct world view. You're completely incapable of debunking any of the objective data so have to result to that.

Hey do you know where I can get a PDF of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? I want to print it out for my next Klan meeting.

Rilkean

04-05-2011, 11:40 PM

I don't see any "stormfront material" and have no idea what's posted there. These are the same feeble minded attempts that people like you always use. Trying to apply preconditioned attack labels to anyone that destroys your politically correct world view. You're completely incapable of debunking any of the objective data so have to result to that.

You're such a try hard. ++effort dude. As said before, kill your family then yourself.

wehrmacht

04-06-2011, 12:15 AM

You're such a try hard. ++effort dude. As said before, kill your family then yourself.

Thanks for the 5th death threat of the thread. Oh yea, I'm the "intolerant" one.

naez

04-06-2011, 12:22 AM

Hey do you know where I can get a PDF of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? I want to print it out for my next Klan meeting.

The Zionist elite will kill us all before relinquishing their power. There's nothing anti-semitic about it, it's just truth.

wehrmacht

04-06-2011, 12:29 AM

naez

04-06-2011, 12:30 AM

The top level Zionists aren't even Jewish anyway if anything they're Satanists.

Rilkean

04-06-2011, 12:32 AM

I love how this nutcase tries to say I'm the evil one when on the front page of the Jerusalem post they have stories about how "Gentiles only exist to serve Jews"

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191782

AD HOMINEM

Potus

04-06-2011, 12:51 AM

naez

04-06-2011, 12:53 AM

Of course it did.

Did 13 million Jews die? Hell no.

wehrmacht

04-06-2011, 01:01 AM

Did the Holocaust happen?

Nobody cares about their personal problems of the past before I was even born. I don't care if 900 billion of them were killed, I didn't do it. That's irrelevant to me being a non-jew and non-german. I care about how the way they act and their blatant, talmudic racial superiority and ethnic nepotism behavior affects me in current time.

Perhaps you would like to explain to us why you seem so self involed in this topic instead of pretending to be some non-biased, innocent bystander.

Potus

04-06-2011, 01:08 AM

Of course it did.

Did 13 million Jews die? Hell no.

Who runs the media?

naez

04-06-2011, 01:11 AM

The Illuminati, which yes includes the Zionist elite. It's not the Jews. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fHmWcRZ72A) (RIP Bill)

Potus

04-06-2011, 01:16 AM

Was 9/11 an inside job?

wehrmacht

04-06-2011, 01:17 AM

Man, get the Bill Cooper UFO shit out of the thread.

naez

04-06-2011, 01:18 AM

Was 9/11 an inside job?

Unless you think known CIA asset Tim Osman blew up building 7 along with the Easter bunny.

I don't care if Bill Cooper said he saw UFOs while working Naval Intelligence. I do care that he predicted 911 in June 2001. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuvZq8I1m_M

Shrubwise

04-06-2011, 01:21 AM

+1 yaba daba doo

naez

04-06-2011, 01:22 AM

Sorry this is the right Bill from June 2001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTjPGy2k_U&feature=related

Arclyte

04-06-2011, 01:26 AM

I used this thread as inspiration for my new avatar

Arclyte

04-06-2011, 01:33 AM

now with captions

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/ArclytePS/JUSTICE.jpg

Rilkean

04-06-2011, 01:45 AM

Unless you think known CIA asset Tim Osman blew up building 7 along with the Easter bunny.

I don't care if Bill Cooper said he saw UFOs while working Naval Intelligence. I do care that he predicted 911 in June 2001. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuvZq8I1m_M

You know who else did? Grandmaster Flash, in the fucking 80s.

Potus

04-06-2011, 01:49 AM

Sorry this is the right Bill from June 2001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTjPGy2k_U&feature=related

What are Chemtrails?

naez

04-06-2011, 01:49 AM

So did this Illuminati card game from the early 90s

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3847/twint.jpg

Care to guess what date the Pentagon was built? Ants in the sand... *sigh*

Potus

04-06-2011, 01:50 AM

Whoa, when did the Pentagon and the WTC get nuked?

naez

04-06-2011, 01:52 AM

btw heres a big fucking clue for you from the Easter bunny

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7043/boomwp.jpg

http://www.vt911.org/Jet%20fuel%20that's%20a%20good%20one.JPG

purist

04-06-2011, 01:57 AM

bush knockt down da towaz

Potus

04-06-2011, 02:02 AM

btw heres a big fucking clue for you from the Easter bunny

Here's photographic proof:
http://i.imgur.com/ATT7x.jpg

You should get a rope and go get Wehrmacht but that'd involve you buying something with ILLUMINATI MONEY and using a NWO-made automobile!

naez

04-06-2011, 02:32 AM

You have already proved that you're an idiot, you don't have to keep doing it.

Alawen Everywhere

04-06-2011, 07:51 AM

Yes, one rabbi clearly speaks for an entire religious movement. Good one!

Did the Holocaust happen?

Ovadia Yosef isn't "one rabbi." Look him up. While you're at it, look up the word "shiksa."

Japan

04-06-2011, 10:19 AM

ben ladehn didn blao up da prahjeckz

wehrmacht

04-06-2011, 11:05 AM

What a coincidence, everything Potus types plus his dumb gnome avatar looks like Lenin. The pieces of the puzzle start to fit together.

nalkin

04-06-2011, 12:23 PM

Am I really dumb or really smart if I don't understand what point anyone is trying to make in this thread?

Massive Marc

04-06-2011, 01:30 PM

Am I really dumb or really smart if I don't understand what point anyone is trying to make in this thread?

If you see two people bashing their heads against the wall, do you join in ?

Potus

04-06-2011, 03:21 PM

Ovadia Yosef isn't "one rabbi." Look him up. While you're at it, look up the word "shiksa."

Is he more than one rabbi? Does he have the power of TWO WHOLE RABBIS?!?! He's a super rabbi!

Alawen Everywhere

04-06-2011, 04:11 PM

Is he more than one rabbi? Does he have the power of TWO WHOLE RABBIS?!?! He's a super rabbi!

Is John Paul II "just one priest?" Is Oprah "just one talk show host?" Sure, they're both technically correct statements, but you're using language to obfuscate the reality of the situation. Ovadia Yosef is arguably the most powerful rabbi in Israel. He's more the equivalent of Joseph Ratzinger or Ali Khameni than of Terry Jones or Jeremiah Wright.

Your observations are either ignorant or intentionally misleading. Bad on you.

Potus

04-06-2011, 04:29 PM

nalkin

04-06-2011, 05:09 PM

Everyone needs to stop obfuscating. Rogean I call to ye in my time of need, shut this thread down!

Alawen Everywhere

04-06-2011, 07:19 PM

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop the planet, a religious leader said something stupid and bigoted.

You do know every religion says this stupid shit, right? They wouldn't exist without telling themselves they're the best and everyone else is going to hell.

You're either ignorant or super ignorant which one is it.

Oh yeah, you're right. I remember when John Paul II said, "Blacks exist only to serve white men." Forgot about that.

You're full of shit.

Potus

04-06-2011, 07:46 PM

Oh yeah, you're right. I remember when John Paul II said, "Blacks exist only to serve white men." Forgot about that.

You're full of shit.

Haha, John Paul II actively condoned pedophilia in the church. He oversaw and managed the largest network of kiddie fuckers around the world.

You should probably stop posting, you're pretty fucking stupid.

Alawen Everywhere

04-06-2011, 07:50 PM

Haha, John Paul II actively condoned pedophilia in the church. He oversaw and managed the largest network of kiddie fuckers around the world.

You should probably stop posting, you're pretty fucking stupid.

Yeah, I remember when he said that, too. "Altar boys exist only to be fucked in the ass by their parish priests."

I won't be posting to you again. That mad scramble you had to try to justify that "graduated school" shit was pathetic. You're not only stupid and ignorant, but illiterate as well.

Potus

04-06-2011, 07:56 PM

Haha, I'm sure he said it in private since he actively protected it for thirty years.

You won't respond because you're getting fucked harder than an altar boy.

Rilkean

04-06-2011, 07:56 PM

wah wah alawen loses so he finally leaves the thread

Potus

04-06-2011, 07:59 PM

Alawen thinks something a rabbi said is worse than hundreds of thousands of boys being anally violated around the world.

You're now Alawen 'down with kids getting raped' Everywhere.

Potus

04-06-2011, 08:01 PM

Could you imagine Alawen at the press conference for priests?

"Look, I know you're all angry that your sons came home from choir practice with bloody assholes, but look at what this rabbi said! He's so powerful he counts as TWO RABBIS!"

Rilkean

04-06-2011, 08:04 PM

Alawen thinks something a rabbi said is worse than hundreds of thousands of boys being anally violated around the world.

You're now Alawen 'down with kids getting raped' Everywhere.

I don't get it either because he's made it VERY CLEAR that freedom of opinion and expression is super important to him!

purist

04-06-2011, 08:27 PM

Jews would never think that way about Gentiles.

"Police released the head rabbi of a prominent yeshiva yesterday hours after arresting him for encouraging to kill non-Jews. Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, head of the Od Yosef Hai Yeshiva and author of "The King's Torah," was arrested early yesterday morning at his home in the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar. His book describes how it is possible to kill non-Jews according to halakha (Jewish religious law )." (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/police-release-rabbi-arrested-for-inciting-to-kill-non-jews-1.304261)

"Rabbi Dov Lior, a senior authority on Jewish law in the Religious Zionism movement, asserted recently that a Jewish woman should never get pregnant using sperm donated by a non-Jewish man – even if it is the last option available. According to Lior, a baby born through such an insemination will have the "negative genetic traits that characterize non-Jews." Instead, he advised sterile couples to adopt." (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4006385,00.html)

"The rabbi added that Jews should refrain from employing any non-Jews, not just Muslim Arabs, and instead grant livelihood to Jews, "unless there exists a huge disparity between the costs of the labor". (http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3519643,00.html)

"Dozens of Israel’s municipal chief rabbis signed on to the ruling, which urges Jews to refrain from renting or selling apartments to non-Jews. A number of leading rabbis who signed on to a religious ruling to forbid renting homes to gentiles– defended their decision on Tuesday with the declaration that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews." (http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/top-rabbis-move-to-forbid-renting-homes-to-arabs-say-israel-belongs-to-jews-1.329327)

"The rabbis defend their ruling. It's not racism, it's halacha -- Jewish law -- that prohibits allowing Gentiles a foothold, Rabbi Eliyahu told Israel Radio: "We've seen what happens in mixed towns, our girls are tempted and this leads to assimilation." "We don't want this happening in Safed or anywhere else," he said. Rabbi Dov Volpe was blunter. "State laws contravening halacha count as dust," he said, making clear that the Torah trumps democracy." (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/12/israel-rabbinical-ruling-sparks-controversy-racism-charges.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BabylonBeyond+%28Babylon+%26+ Beyond+Blog%29)

"Rabbi Lior, for example, head of the Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria, said in 2004 that the Israel Defense Forces "was allowed to kill innocent people... There should be no feeling of guilt at the morality of foreigners." (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/962041.html)

"The current issue of Moment magazine dedicates its "Ask the Rabbis" section to the question "How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?" Rabbis from various denominations offered responses... Manis Friedman of the St. Paul-based Bais Chana Institute of Jewish Studies says: I don’t believe in western morality, i.e. don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral. The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle)." (http://blogs.jta.org/telegraph/article/2009/06/01/1005535/chabad-rabbi-destroy-their-holy-sites-kill)

Alawen Everywhere

04-06-2011, 09:47 PM

wah wah alawen loses so he finally leaves the thread

When did I say I was going anywhere? I'm just not responding to non-sequitur/hasty generalization/red herring/false dichotomy guy. He has scrambled eggs where his brain should be.

Both you and he would benefit from a little Aristotle. And a couple English classes. Go read a book.

Alawen Everywhere

04-06-2011, 09:49 PM

Yes, yes, purist, BUT DID ANY YOUNG BOYS GET SODOMIZED? OR BURIED IN MASS GRAVES?

Because if not, anything Jews do is okay.

Alawen Everywhere

04-06-2011, 10:06 PM

I don't get it either because he's made it VERY CLEAR that freedom of opinion and expression is super important to him!

Just for clarification: you oppose the first amendment, then?

Potus

04-06-2011, 10:22 PM

I don't get it either because he's made it VERY CLEAR that freedom of opinion and expression is super important to him!

Alawen 'Ignoring Kiddie Rape and Looking for Jew Crimes' Everywhere only believes in free speech when the person is saying something he agrees with. Typical conservative hypocrisy.

Potus

04-06-2011, 10:25 PM

Jews would never think that way about Gentiles.

Christians would never think that way about ____
Muslims would never think that way about ____
Buddhists would never think that way about _____

wehrmacht

04-06-2011, 11:20 PM

"Police released the head rabbi of a prominent yeshiva yesterday hours after arresting him for encouraging to kill non-Jews. Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, head of the Od Yosef Hai Yeshiva and author of "The King's Torah," was arrested early yesterday morning at his home in the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar. His book describes how it is possible to kill non-Jews according to halakha (Jewish religious law )."
Quote:
"Rabbi Dov Lior, a senior authority on Jewish law in the Religious Zionism movement, asserted recently that a Jewish woman should never get pregnant using sperm donated by a non-Jewish man – even if it is the last option available. According to Lior, a baby born through such an insemination will have the "negative genetic traits that characterize non-Jews." Instead, he advised sterile couples to adopt."
Quote:
"The rabbi added that Jews should refrain from employing any non-Jews, not just Muslim Arabs, and instead grant livelihood to Jews, "unless there exists a huge disparity between the costs of the labor".
Quote:
"Dozens of Israel’s municipal chief rabbis signed on to the ruling, which urges Jews to refrain from renting or selling apartments to non-Jews. A number of leading rabbis who signed on to a religious ruling to forbid renting homes to gentiles– defended their decision on Tuesday with the declaration that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews."
Quote:
"The rabbis defend their ruling. It's not racism, it's halacha -- Jewish law -- that prohibits allowing Gentiles a foothold, Rabbi Eliyahu told Israel Radio: "We've seen what happens in mixed towns, our girls are tempted and this leads to assimilation." "We don't want this happening in Safed or anywhere else," he said. Rabbi Dov Volpe was blunter. "State laws contravening halacha count as dust," he said, making clear that the Torah trumps democracy."
Quote:
"Rabbi Lior, for example, head of the Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria, said in 2004 that the Israel Defense Forces "was allowed to kill innocent people... There should be no feeling of guilt at the morality of foreigners."
Quote:
"The current issue of Moment magazine dedicates its "Ask the Rabbis" section to the question "How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?" Rabbis from various denominations offered responses... Manis Friedman of the St. Paul-based Bais Chana Institute of Jewish Studies says: I don’t believe in western morality, i.e. don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral. The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle)."

Didn't see Potus manage a response to the above. The rabbi saying that stuff didn't conjure it up out of thin air as his own opinion, he actually read the Talmud. It's far worse than militant Islam. The militant islamists just want to kill you if you refuse to convert, the zionists on the other hand, claim they can do whatever they want to any gentile walking the face of the earth with full immunity.

This explains why Israel is constantly staging fake terrorist attacks to kill innocent US civilians and blame it on Arabs in order to get America to fight their wars:

Lavon Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

King David Hotel Bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

USS Liberty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Don't even try to claim the USS liberty is a "conspiracy theory", all of the survivors say Israel knew exactly what it was doing as it was strafing people swimming in the water with machine guns.

The US should blow their country off the face of the earth for it's attacks against us.

Rilkean

04-06-2011, 11:28 PM

The US should blow their country off the face of the earth for it's attacks against us.

whoa whoa.. that's really violent and hateful and intolerant bro.

Potus

04-06-2011, 11:35 PM

Wanting to kill Jews, hmm who does that remind me of?

Shrubwise

04-06-2011, 11:48 PM

http://www.projectmayhemguild.org/images/DrinkingTears.jpg

So many tears in this thread... so tasty!

wehrmacht

04-06-2011, 11:53 PM

whoa whoa.. that's really violent and hateful and intolerant bro.

So I guess we should just ignore it when a country commits a state sponsored act of war against us? It wasn't a "terror group", it was a state entity. The govt of Israel sponsors terrorist attacks against the US plus ethnic cleansing in their own territory. Looks like a rogue terrorist regime to me.

One of the brainwashed dirtbag liberals trying to say how great Israel is to an actual non-zionist jew (Norm Finkelstein), never seen anything so funny in my life. Reminds me of Rilkean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7tupJRSi7M

nalkin

04-07-2011, 12:16 AM

...(Norm Finkelstein)...

...wow. That is amazing lol.

Anyway, someone give me the skinny here, are jews good or bad?

Potus

04-07-2011, 12:19 AM

wehrmacht

04-07-2011, 12:23 AM

I've actually been to a Norman G. Finkelstein speech, and no liberals are there criticizing him. Liberals/Leftists don't like Israel, so you're confusing yourself with Conservatives or Pro-Israeli Democrats (both parties are Pro-Israel in the United States).

LOL, bullshit. The most powerful lobby in Washington is AIPAC. Even the "elitist" college professor crowd finally came out with a book about how all of America's foreign policy is completely controlled by Israel. They control both parties with an iron fist. People tried to criticize their book saying it validated everything David Duke had ever said.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NS6wN4p6L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374177724

Rilkean

04-07-2011, 12:23 AM

Potus

04-07-2011, 12:26 AM

LOL, bullshit. The most powerful lobby in Washington is AIPAC. Even the "elitist" college professor crowd finally came out with a book about how all of America's foreign policy is completely controlled by Israel. They control both parties with an iron fist. People tried to criticize their book saying it validated everything David Duke had ever said.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NS6wN4p6L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374177724

What did I say that was bullshit?

wehrmacht

04-07-2011, 12:49 AM

Hahaha. I love his assumptions about how we love Isreal. Forget about Palestine though, I'm MUCH more concerned about WHAT IT MEANS FOR AMURKA

You love them enough that when they commit state sponsored terrorist attacks against the country you live in, you think it's A-OK.

But yea, lets think about what it does mean for America. While you sit there in your delusional, San Francisco, "we are all one people" dystopia, most other people notice the severe ethnic nepotism they practice taking over and destroying the country.

The biggest financial criminals of all time, Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken the junk bond king, and Bernie Madoff, they all have something in common, take a wild guess. Same thing with the president of the IMF, World Bank, and Federal Reserve. These are all completely dominated by Jewish ethnic nepotism. You're at the mercy of whatever they want to do to you and their moral guidlines involve things written in the talmud that basically say "gentiles are animals" and non-jewish women are "shiksas".

Same thing with the media, I don't think anyone even tries to dispute that anymore. We've already covered the government and lobbyist part. They operate as a mafia just like the Italian mafia. Is it racist to say the Italian mafia is bad? Their mafia is just far less centralized. They create a state within a state, which is why they have been kicked out of countries something like 400 times now?

Bolshevik revolution that destroyed Russia was entirely Jewish owned and operated, after they were overthrown, Jewish carpetbaggers came in and stole everything.

Putin came along and banished the Oligarchs from the country, 9 out of 11 of them were Jewish. They owned something like 70% of the country and half of them were wanted for murder. Most of them ended up fleeing to Israel under "the right of return".

While they bomb your television with messages of how full blown multiculturalism is great, they create laws forbidding marriage of jews and non-jews in Israel. Wake the fuck up.

Potus

04-07-2011, 12:54 AM

Haha are you even reading anyone's posts? She doesn't like Israel either.

wehrmacht

04-07-2011, 01:05 AM

Haha are you even reading anyone's posts? She doesn't like Israel either.

If Israel didn't even exist, all of those ethnic nepotism, mafia problems I listed above would still be there on a world wide scale. Israel is just the place they try to flee to when they get caught.

Potus

04-07-2011, 03:35 AM

Israel is a pretty rad country you should go visit it with this thread printed out as your passport.

Nedala

04-07-2011, 04:44 AM

The US should blow their country off the face of the earth for it's attacks against us.

And this comes from a guy named "wehrmacht" what a fucking surprise.

Go suck hitlers cock in hell, kthx.

http://derekpgilbert.com/wp-content/uploads/tin-foil-hat.jpg

wehrmacht

04-07-2011, 04:48 AM

Go suck hitlers cock in hell, kthx.

Oh, those liberals are so funny, unable to debunk anything that was posted and just start spamming cuss words every time.

wehrmacht

04-07-2011, 06:19 AM

I want the brainwashed euro girl here to pay close attention to every word the woman in this video speaks. It's one minute long and she demonstrates exactly what I said.

Video Description:

"The same powerful Jews who support Israel as a "Jewish State" do everything they can to create a fractured society in nations they live in outside of Israel. Why Zionists preach one thing for Jews and the direct opposite for Gentiles. Mass immigration, multiculturalism and diversity makes any society vulnerable to the most organized, aggressive, ethnic people on earth. Their leaders know that that their team effort gives a huge advantage over a fractured, atomized society. Diversity is a weapon."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkXfnyXp06Y

She basically says Jews are going to force your homogenous Euro nations into multiculturalism whether you like it or not and you can't be allowed to have it your way. While at the same time, they pass laws in Israel forbidding Jews from marrying non-jews. Wake the fuck up. At the very least, they are liars and hypocrites. At most, they are practicing malicious behavior against you.

Nedala

04-07-2011, 11:21 AM

im not a girl.

Second, your made up bullshit sounds like what hitler spread in the 30s. Thanks, i don't listen to fucking nazi propaganda. I don't believe a single word of this crap you are making up, or lets say of the made up crap you copying from other nazis. You call me brainwashed? Glasshouse and such...

And anyway, i dont have to argue with a guy that calls himself Whermacht on the internets, and believes in nazi bullshit. You deserve to die, in a slow and painful way and i truly wish you do.

wehrmacht

04-07-2011, 11:55 AM

I don't believe a single word of this crap you are making up

You don't have to believe anything I say, she just said it in her own words right in the video.

Thanks, i don't listen to fucking nazi propaganda

You're right, you listen to jewish propaganda which is the exact same thing as Naziism. It's an ethnocentric cult based on racial supremacy.

And anyway, i dont have to argue with a guy that calls himself Whermacht on the internets

It's because I'm from a PvP server and the person who made the guild named it called "Holocaust", I just made the username up to piss people off. I'm not a member of the nazi party ya damn idiot.

http://poopspant.com/pvp/2.png

Nedala

04-07-2011, 12:03 PM

I don't believe what that cunt said either, why the hell should i? where is any evidence for that crap? (dont even bother posting so called "evidence" please)

Call yourself what you want, for me you are a nazi cause you believe this bullshit, its pretty much the same crap the german leadership made their people believe, maybe not in such a harsh way.

Oh and i made it into a sig yay.

wehrmacht

04-07-2011, 12:25 PM

I don't believe what that cunt said either, why the hell should i?

It's pretty common knowledge that Jews are constantly pushing extreme, far leftist agenda. That's no "conspiracy theory".

The only question you should be asking is why they push that for every other country except their own, where they instead pass laws to prevents jews and non-jews from marrying.

Potus

04-07-2011, 04:05 PM

Wehrmacht I had sex with a jewish girl how does that make you feel

guineapig

04-07-2011, 09:44 PM

Alright knock it off.

Do you even know any jewish people?

Arclyte

04-07-2011, 09:47 PM

Wehrmacht I had sex with a jewish girl how does that make you feel

how many bars of gold did it take

wehrmacht

04-07-2011, 10:48 PM

Alright knock it off.

Do you even know any jewish people?

Who doesn't? My roomate when I was in a college dorm was too. Was originally with some random fat kid named Carl. Used to drink and party a lot and Carl got pissed that I was kept him awake. He offered $50 for someone to change roomates with him. This short and skinny, insane Zionist kid named David couldn't resist the $50, took the deal and I ended up with him.

I was 18 at the time and was similar to one of the stupid liberals in this thread thinking everyone is the same, etc. This guy constantly referred to me as a "gentile" and talked about how Jews were the chosen people and superior to everyone else. We were both business majors at USC at the time and I think he works at Citibank now.

If they aren't even religious, they still try to pull out the "God's chosen people", racial superiority shit on you. I see it time and time again. It's a dangerous cult. They practice racial superiority, racial segregation, and naziism for themselves while advocating the exact opposite for everyone else.

Next they show up with people like the woman in the video below to some 99% white euro country. They say, hmmm, it's all white Europeans here, you guys must be racist. We're gonna ship in a few million people from Somalia to make you guys more "diverse". It's a divide and conquer tactic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkXfnyXp06Y

Ongbak

04-07-2011, 11:02 PM

Wehrmacht had a point, but not all Jew think like that. Only Jew (I think) that thought they were better than everybody and really racist are the one from Europe. I have met several Israelis 1 chick was cool, never acted like she was better than anybody this is back in college and she was pretty hot.

Also I met another Jew at work and he was the biggest douche bag ever lol. You could tell he thinks he is better than anybody else.

I think there bad apples in all culture/religion and races but 1 thing I can't stand when anyone try to criticized Israel and Jew, you are automatic labeled as Nazi or Anti Semantic.

ps. Oh and by all mean, I don't agree everything that Wehrmacht said, but he does bring out some points and it was a very good one. :)

guineapig

04-08-2011, 12:04 AM

Who doesn't? My roomate when I was in a college dorm was too. Was originally with some random fat kid named Carl. Used to drink and party a lot and Carl got pissed that I was kept him awake. He offered $50 for someone to change roomates with him. This short and skinny, insane Zionist kid named David couldn't resist the $50, took the deal and I ended up with him.

I was 18 at the time and was similar to one of the stupid liberals in this thread thinking everyone is the same, etc. This guy constantly referred to me as a "gentile" and talked about how Jews were the chosen people and superior to everyone else. We were both business majors at USC at the time and I think he works at Citibank now.

If they aren't even religious, they still try to pull out the "God's chosen people", racial superiority shit on you. I see it time and time again. It's a dangerous cult. They practice racial superiority, racial segregation, and naziism for themselves while advocating the exact opposite for everyone else.

Next they show up with people like the woman in the video below to some 99% white euro country. They say, hmmm, it's all white Europeans here, you guys must be racist. We're gonna ship in a few million people from Somalia to make you guys more "diverse". It's a divide and conquer tactic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkXfnyXp06Y

So what I got out of all this is that you knew 2 jewish kids in college...

I wonder... if your roomate ended up being a pure breed white national socialist instead of David, how you would have turned out? Different? Or the same? Hmm...

I will say this one last time. Quit with the hate speech.