Paradigm Shift Renounces Loot Coucil Fallacy And Embraces Loving DKP

[Sonderbeast]

I knew you'd come around. :kiss: :kiss:

[Sonderbeast]

It's gonna be a dkp wild west. Good news is they'll have more people willing to compete now that there is tangible reward for tracking and FTE, maybe they'll even take over the TP corner.

[Yoink1986]

LC wasn’t bad. Dkp isn’t as well. Each has their pros and cons.

[Nexii]

It's going to be a paradigm shift in how they raid for sure

[Sonderbeast]

LC wasn’t bad. Dkp isn’t as well. Each has their pros and cons.

You must have been on the "council" side of things.

[misterbonkers]

It's going to be a paradigm shift in how they raid for sure

I wonder what the aftermath will be

[Pyrrhica]

Still be interesting to see if they start at 0 or give folks a bonus. Part reason tempest seemed daunting is they didn't wipe awakened dkp

Everyone starts equal.

App today! www.p99ps.com

[Yoink1986]

Heh no sonder I was not. I just raided and got stuff like everyone else ��

[Check12345]

It's gonna be a dkp wild west. Good news is they'll have more people willing to compete now that there is tangible reward for tracking and FTE, maybe they'll even take over the TP corner.

I am not expecting to see any Iron Sock awards TBH.

Man news really travels fast here. :D

[Sonderbeast]

Nice rotated Vulak snipe btw, goes to show the state of affairs over in the Tempest corner

[Francois]

PS could do alphabetic rotation and I think they'd be happy.

They're good dudes.

[Nexii]

PS could do alphabetic rotation and I think they'd be happy.

They're good dudes.

For sure. This will help them attract more applicants. It's very daunting to join a LC guild when you're new. They should have a good core built up soon

[America]

didnt read any of this thread. the title alone is sickening

[Mblake1981]

App'd.

Lets see how this rolls.

[Sonderbeast]

No exposure is bad exposure


remember this

[Baylan295]

Everyone starts equal.

App today! www.p99ps.com

Tells to Baylan, Baelen, or Pecunia (my 2 primary toons and my banker!) if you want to chat. I'm the recruitment officer.

[Sonderbeast]

the fifth or sixth best raid guild?

lol meta

[shuklak]

Bad news for thw councilmen.

[Hibbs]

LC wasn’t bad. Dkp isn’t as well. Each has their pros and cons.

L to the OL

[Yoink1986]

What’s so funny ?

[Nikkanu]

PS going DKP and everyone starting at 0? Sniping rotated Vulaks?? Tempest is going to have a bad time... :O Good luck dudes.

[Oleris]

what happened with the quake? Did everyone go all in on something and have a roll off? Just curious.

[Baylan295]

what happened with the quake? Did everyone go all in on something and have a roll off? Just curious.

LC was still in effect last night. Grats to the winners on what might be the last awards LC does!

[shuklak]

Lets reminisce over some of the shadier lc decisions.

[Sonderbeast]

Lets reminisce over some of the shadier lc decisions.

Like giving Doze loot to officer alts?

#pepperidgefarmremembers

[Pyrrhica]

Like giving Doze loot to officer alts?

#pepperidgefarmremembers

Never happened

[Mendo]

I never understood the hate for alts. We play with people, not elves. Let the people have the loot and do with it as they wish. A lot of people raid with their alts depending on the situation anyways.

I also wanted to stop by and congratulate PS on a nice Lady Nev kill.

[Lammy]

jadoken

[thiz1234]

Ripjadoken

[Baylan295]

Grats officers on final free loot.

And not a single officer received loot on the last quake of loot council.

Grats to our monks and rogues on some new DPS and one of our favorite rangers with a Lady Nev claw to help prevent the ranger gate.

[Sonderbeast]

And not a single officer received loot on the last quake of loot council.

Grats to our monks and rogues on some new DPS and one of our favorite rangers with a Lady Nev claw to help prevent the ranger gate.

I thought that was an SK item

[Sadiki]

And not a single officer received loot on the last quake of loot council.
Sounds like PS has a very corrupt non-officer base that hogs all the loot. Where does it end?

[America]

#pepperidgefarmremembers

did this homo-meme get used in Family Guy? for some reason every time I see it, I remember the television show Family Guy. :(

[Sonderbeast]

did this homo-meme get used in Family Guy? for some reason every time I see it, I remember the television show Family Guy. :(

goog memory hi5

[Tenderizer]

Does that explain why the one guild that doesn’t allow posting here is now like the fifth or sixth best raid guild?

you want a badge or a chest to pin it on? mister 3 post anonymous turd ball account, maybe cause its not allowed?


Good news is they'll have more people willing to compete now that there is tangible reward for tracking and FTE, maybe they'll even take over the TP corner.

Some think dkp is the best while overlooking a lot of the flaws. tangible reward though? Not sure they should be rewarded for tracking their life away or trying to meta the meta.

. Let the people have the loot and do with it as they wish.


Youd think that. right? flat out death threats is just about what I was receiving trolling BS for sale. Yet, I am tagged <Asgard>, the guild that help me get half my shit, Loyalty. Doesn't matter if its dkp/loot council there are always those that will sow hate and discontent and those that loose sight over pixels.


Seems a lot of people don't pay attention or care about other peoples fun and experience, regardless. Hell someone is PS flat out had a problem with some recruit (not myself) was going to get a Nice item. verbal asshat spewed from his mouth on comms and then it was given to an alt.....I was thinking to myself that guy should just straight up /guildremove.

My point is everyone should try to make the experience enjoyable for your guildies,friends, and non guildies alike. Just be fucking nice and try not to get all bitch hissy about pixels......

[Sonderbeast]

mad:o

[America]

goog memory hi5

i used to do a LOT of drugs and can you believe i married someone who watched that show? i was extremely fucked up on oxycodone, methadone and alcohol when he proposed. my abs had recently then receded from visibility. little bits of that awful stuff i consented to watch while nodding hard still bounce around. it makes me very very melancholy to recall them. nuggets of Judaic ugliness.

he was beautiful back then, but. alcohol. even his hair has this crusty texture to it last i felt, like an old man's. crunchy.

I know he watches the television show "Bob's Burgers" now. It's heartbreaking. The lithe little thing I so coveted is gone, and its inner Family Guy-watching creep now presides over a stumpy, hairy little homonculus whose continuing appreciation of Disney reads creepy now instead of adorable. He is very mean to me now when we talk. He credits my looks, not my character, with the success I enjoy. Family Guy, ugh

[Tenderizer]

always

[Sonderbeast]

i used to do a LOT of drugs and can you believe i married someone who watched that show? i was extremely fucked up on oxycodone, methadone and alcohol when he proposed. my abs had recently then receded from visibility. little bits of that awful stuff i consented to watch while nodding hard still bounce around. it makes me very very melancholy to recall them. nuggets of Judaic ugliness.

he was beautiful back then, but. alcohol. even his hair has this crusty texture to it last i felt, like an old man's. crunchy.

I know he watches the television show "Bob's Burgers" now. It's heartbreaking. The lithe little thing I so coveted is gone, and its inner Family Guy-watching creep now presides over a stumpy, hairy little homonculus whose continuing appreciation of Disney reads creepy now instead of adorable. He is very mean to me now when we talk. He credits my looks, not my character, with the success I enjoy. Family Guy, ugh

Bob's Burgers goog

[kaev]

Truly a sad day for the server. /mourn

[kaev]

So, changing guildname to <Rustled> now? Or are you still pretending?

[Nikkanu]

So, changing guildname to <Rustled> now? Or are you still pretending?

U mad?

[kaev]

U mad?

Nah, sad tho. Left (twice) because get no joy from watching the pixel-sickness consume people.

[Nexii]

Nah, sad tho. Left (twice) because get no joy from watching the pixel-sickness consume people.

That is the fun, you're looking at it wrong. Praise Innoruuk

[Wonkie]

DKP is good tho

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
-Karl Marx


He who does not work, neither shall he eat
-Vladimir Lenin

[Sonderbeast]

Nah, sad tho. Left (twice) because get no joy from watching the pixel-sickness consume people.

I get MUCH joy

[shuklak]

"Loot council is the only conclusion that a sincere intelligent man can arrive at."

-Joe Stalin

[Zekayy]

Almost every guild on p99 is DKP welcome to the club now if we can get omni and europa to do the same

[Swish2]

Almost every guild on p99 is DKP welcome to the club now if we can get omni and europa to do the same

Pretty sure they do DKP when they raid solo. Nice of you to care.

[shuklak]

Do red guilds do dkp or is it just randomed

[Hibbs]

Do red guilds do dkp or is it just randomed


Who knows wouldn't there have to be more than 3 players for that? They throwing DKP around for pixels from ToFs?? jk jk... but seriously :P

[kaev]

If you can't rely on guild leadership to distribute pixels directly in a fair and honest manner, what makes you imagine that you can rely on them to create and administrate a system that is not equivalently dishonest?

Bureaucratic rulesets are always crafted to serve the interests of the class of powermongers crafting the rules, it's what sociopaths do.

DKP is a veneer of bullshit intended to deflect criticisms of a loot distribution policy that favors the toolbags running the guild and their favorite lesser tools within the membership. Amazingly (or not) it serves its purpose well. Good job helping your pixel overlords to fashion your shackles plebs, I am certain they love you for it right up until the day they cash out and go looking for a new crew of suckers in some other venue.

[Check12345]

If you can't rely on guild leadership to distribute pixels directly in a fair and honest manner, what makes you imagine that you can rely on them to create and administrate a system that is not equivalently dishonest?

Bureaucratic rulesets are always crafted to serve the interests of the class of powermongers crafting the rules, it's what sociopaths do.

DKP is a veneer of bullshit intended to deflect criticisms of a loot distribution policy that favors the toolbags running the guild and their favorite lesser tools within the membership. Amazingly (or not) it serves its purpose well. Good job helping your pixel overlords to fashion your shackles plebs, I am certain they love you for it right up until the day they cash out and go looking for a new crew of suckers in some other venue.

Sir, this is the Wendy's drive through... did you say coke or diet coke with that?

[Sonderbeast]

Kev, you really have it flipped on it's head. Dkp takes trust out of the equation entirely and makes it a transparent system. There is no more trusting neckbeard strangers online to do the right thing, it's just buying what you put the time in for. It's not hard to comprehend.

[shuklak]

Plus you don't have to hear "that's not a ranger item" no way I would have got a yummbs under LC, #flamelicksmatter

Lol yeah.

Like every loot councilmen has taken extensive study of all class playstyles and further consults with each member on their characters aspirations.

[Danth]

Kev, you really have it flipped on it's head. Dkp takes trust out of the equation entirely and makes it a transparent system. There is no more trusting neckbeard strangers online to do the right thing, it's just buying what you put the time in for. It's not hard to comprehend.

I agree with you with respect to the purpose of the thing, except I look at the above and say two things: First, why on earth would I want to hang around people I don't trust and don't like? Second, if a guild wants to pay me, it can pay me dollars. Company scrip won't do. That's why I treat DKP loot systems as a warning sign to stay away--it's not for me. Each to his own, though. Given the peer pressure on P1999 I'm surprised Paradigm Shift held out as long as it did.

Danth

[Sonderbeast]

I agree with you with respect to the purpose of the thing, except I look at the above and say two things: First, why on earth would I want to hang around people I don't trust and don't like? Second, if a guild wants to pay me, it can pay me dollars. Company scrip won't do. That's why I treat DKP loot systems as a warning sign to stay away--it's not for me. Each to his own, though. Given the peer pressure on P1999 I'm surprised Paradigm Shift held out as long as it did.

Danth

I surely hope that you don't 100% trust people on an internet video game. It's not unreasonable to be cautious about others behavior online and everyone should do it. I always double check that my dkp is being updated, and I would even go so far as to keep in mind loot decisions that a 'council' has made overlooking my attendance and efforts. It's just what any responsible player should do if they want to hedge against favoritism and keep their leadership accountable.

Second, RMT is not allowed on this server. I'm sure guild have operated this way and would operate this way if they could. Problems being: anyone can pay any amount of money despite their effort on any one piece of loot, which would then alienate the actual players that are the backbone of the guild. You also have to start asking the question: "Do I want to pay to play?" people are going to start dipping deeper to get pixels and actually use real money. If that's not a warning idk what is. As you start thinking about how that would work, it definitely doesn't seem like a good method for play.

[Tenderizer]

If you can't rely on guild leadership to distribute pixels directly in a fair and honest manner, what makes you imagine that you can rely on them to create and administrate a system that is not equivalently dishonest?

truth, evil knows no boundaries

Bureaucratic rulesets are always crafted to serve the interests of the class of powermongers crafting the rules, it's what sociopaths do.


cant all be complete anarchy, rules are great if everyone agrees and follows them instead of trying to skurrt their way around them.. Theres no perfect system, turn the TV on to see that we havent quite figured that out as a species, yet. pixels are important enough to constantly debate.....said nobody ever.


see you soon "space cowboy"

[Nexii]

If you can't rely on guild leadership to distribute pixels directly in a fair and honest manner, what makes you imagine that you can rely on them to create and administrate a system that is not equivalently dishonest?

Bureaucratic rulesets are always crafted to serve the interests of the class of powermongers crafting the rules, it's what sociopaths do.

DKP is a veneer of bullshit intended to deflect criticisms of a loot distribution policy that favors the toolbags running the guild and their favorite lesser tools within the membership. Amazingly (or not) it serves its purpose well. Good job helping your pixel overlords to fashion your shackles plebs, I am certain they love you for it right up until the day they cash out and go looking for a new crew of suckers in some other venue.

What a delicious combination of paranoia and immersion you have going on. Do you want a cameo in my next chapter?

[Nikkanu]

If you can't rely on guild leadership to distribute pixels directly in a fair and honest manner, what makes you imagine that you can rely on them to create and administrate a system that is not equivalently dishonest?

Bureaucratic rulesets are always crafted to serve the interests of the class of powermongers crafting the rules, it's what sociopaths do.

DKP is a veneer of bullshit intended to deflect criticisms of a loot distribution policy that favors the toolbags running the guild and their favorite lesser tools within the membership. Amazingly (or not) it serves its purpose well. Good job helping your pixel overlords to fashion your shackles plebs, I am certain they love you for it right up until the day they cash out and go looking for a new crew of suckers in some other venue.

https://i.imgur.com/EMMkc4Q.gif

[Tenderizer]

What a delicious combination of paranoia and immersion you have going on. Do you want a cameo in my next chapter?

soo, his view of putting the burden of trust on just leadership is somehow silly to you? but putting the burden of trust into the entire guild is better? Each has + and - , very divisive.

[Danth]

I surely hope that you don't 100% trust people on an internet video game..

Of course not, but neither do I hang around with people I don't trust or don't like. Hence you don't see me floating around in such guilds. As for the second bit of your post, of course there's a warning there. Accepting payment in company scrip is enough of a warning to me that I, again, won't tolerate it and hence you don't see me in such guilds. That's what I'm getting at--DKP solves problems which are I think more easily solved simply by not hanging out in those types of environments at all. I'm not interested in trying to make a crummy situation bearable, not for something I do for fun in my free time. I realize that some players want or need the higher-end pixels more than I do, so make a different choice when presented with the same situation. That's fine, no ill will here.

Danth

[Danth]

Bah, can't edit in RNF.

I'd like to add, I've not personally run into problems with loot council guilds, but I haven't been in a ton of them. The danger of corruption is obvious and research before joining is necessary. For example since I main a Shadow Knight I wouldn't join a LC guild where the guild leader had a known disdain for hybrids. I've also been in guilds that use open rolls and I'm fine with that too. Long story short, I find loot systems become simpler to manage and less a bout drama when pixel loot isn't such a driving concern in the first place.

Danth

[Nexii]

soo, his view of putting the burden of trust on just leadership is somehow silly to you? but putting the burden of trust into the entire guild is better? Each has + and - , very divisive.

Yes, it's silly and naive. See Bvmmey / <Clue> as exhibit A

[Tenderizer]

Yes, it's silly and naive. See Bvmmey / <Clue> as exhibit A

this doesnt make any sense? he would of stole it if it was dkp or council?

[Tenderizer]

The danger of corruption is obvious and research before joining is necessary.

Danth

even if you put faith in it at the start things change, never trust these nerds 100%

[Sonderbeast]

Of course not, but neither do I hang around with people I don't trust or don't like. Hence you don't see me floating around in such guilds. As for the second bit of your post, of course there's a warning there. Accepting payment in company scrip is enough of a warning to me that I, again, won't tolerate it and hence you don't see me in such guilds. That's what I'm getting at--DKP solves problems which are I think more easily solved simply by not hanging out in those types of environments at all. I'm not interested in trying to make a crummy situation bearable, not for something I do for fun in my free time. I realize that some players want or need the higher-end pixels more than I do, so make a different choice when presented with the same situation. That's fine, no ill will here.

I'd like to add, I've not personally run into problems with loot council guilds, but I haven't been in a ton of them. The danger of corruption is obvious and research before joining is necessary. For example since I main a Shadow Knight I wouldn't join a LC guild where the guild leader had a known disdain for hybrids. I've also been in guilds that use open rolls and I'm fine with that too. Long story short, I find loot systems become simpler to manage and less a bout drama when pixel loot isn't such a driving concern in the first place.

Danth

I find it suspect that you are in a guild without any bad apples. The majority of all guilds are good people, it's the two or threes selfish bad apples in all guilds that cause the controversy and create problems.

Your statement about 'environments' seems to me ill informed, Aftermath isn't a toxic environment, and I'd bet that Tempest, AG, BG and the other DKP guilds are enjoyable as well - otherwise they wouldn't be guilds! There are toxic people in every guild and just like any troll online you ignore them. There are some awesome people who do more than enough to counterbalance it. DKP has nothing to do with the environment, it's about accountability for the leadership and a fair system to distribute the rare and sought after loot that we encounter weekly. That is why it is so successful.

If you don't want to advance your character in a game centered around character advancement, then that's your gameplay and it's fine, but I would be hesitant to apply that perspective to the whole of the player-base for this server. I laugh when I hear statements like "don't make it about the loot" because that's literally what the game is about. Grinding camps for loot and experience, I sincerely hope no one uses eq as an outlet for socialization.

[kaev]

What a delicious combination of paranoia and immersion you have going on. Do you want a cameo in my next chapter?

I'd like to be the prude with a furrowed brow who ends up with a literal broomstick up the ass, if you don't mind. ;)

[Tenderizer]

I laugh when I hear statements like "don't make it about the loot" because that's literally what the game is about.

you make it sound like anything outside "its for the pixels" is negative. many ways to enjoy the game.

[Danth]

but I would be hesitant to apply that perspective to the whole of the player-base for this server.

I don't. Speaking only for myself here and haven't claimed otherwise.


Danth

[Danth]

you make it sound like anything outside "its for the pixels" is negative. many ways to enjoy the game.

Presumably it IS a negative to him. Lot of ways to enjoy the game, and I imagine he wouldn't enjoy it the same way I do. Works both ways; given a choice between raiding in temple veeshan or not playing, I'll pick the latter. Might as well be playing different games entirely--and that's one good thing about Velious. It divides up the content so I live in one part of the game, the high-end folks live in Temple Veeshan or wherever, and we don't really get in each other's way very often.

Danth

[Sonderbeast]

Presumably it IS a negative to him. Lot of ways to enjoy the game, and I imagine he wouldn't enjoy it the same way I do. Works both ways; given a choice between raiding in temple veeshan or not playing, I'll pick the latter. Might as well be playing different games entirely--and that's one good thing about Velious. It divides up the content so I live in one part of the game, the high-end folks live in Temple Veeshan or wherever, and we don't really get in each other's way very often.

Danth

So how did this flip to me saying not playing for loot is negative? I'm ridiculing the idea that items shouldn't be considered whatsoever, which is what was being implied and is often said as some sort of weird virtue signal.

That's another strange presumption that all I or other raiders do is hang out in ToV. Silly! Aside from the characters in my sig I have 4 other characters that are over level 45 for grouping and whatever.

If you want to be like Ivory and roleplay a sneaksy little gnome, I am 100% for you doing that. THAT is what you are suggesting, and you should do it. It's refreshing and creative, but that's not what you are suggesting at all. Sitting AFK in a shitty zone like Hate or Sky or leveling a million alts doesn't qualify you as being a virtuous anti pixel person, you're just exhibiting the same thing that you distaste in a different dispensation.

[Danth]

So how did this flip to me saying not playing for loot is negative? I'm ridiculing the idea that items shouldn't be considered whatsoever, which is what was being implied and is often said as some sort of weird virtue signal.

Nah, none of that. Mis-understanding me a bit, but that's fair because other folks do quite often mean what you assumed. My usage of "negative" isn't an insult or some silly virtue signal (which I agree is ridiculous in a video game), but rather I mean negative in the simple sense that it isn't your own primary mode of gameplay.

Danth

[aaezil]

"Aftermath isn't a toxic environment"

Hahaha

haha

ha

[Sonderbeast]

"Aftermath isn't a toxic environment"

Hahaha

haha

ha

OK anon_forum_quester :thumbsup:

[kaev]

I wouldn't say it's toxic, it is bit too serious for my liking, didn't have fun last time I was in it. No one was negative really just too machine like and take things serious.

When your game goes srsbsns on you it's time to find another game. /wave EVEOnline

[Check12345]

So how did this flip to me saying not playing for loot is negative? dispensation.

because nerds
it's always the answer

[kaev]

Or just leave, that’s why I’m a kitten.

Kittens didn't work for me, they were the interim between my two sojourns in PS

[kaev]

Kittens didn't work for me, they were the interim between my two sojourns in PS

To be clear, when Kittens headed down the pixel-sickness path (VP key quest is EQ for AIDS) I tried going back to PS, didn't work for me.

[Leiker]

Almost every guild on p99 is DKP welcome to the club now if we can get omni and europa to do the same

Europa is a DKP guild.

[Mblake81]

https://i.imgur.com/XyQnHEH.jpg?1

[feniin]

To be clear, when Kittens headed down the pixel-sickness path (VP key quest is EQ for AIDS) I tried going back to PS, didn't work for me.

wut

VP is fun as hell to run around in. It's not like you're forced to get a key. Sounds like you would rather be unhappy than just enjoy your time in game.

[wagorf]

Europa is a DKP guild.

nope, not every item is up for dkp bids, some stuff are "reserved' and handed out by a special group

[matticas]

Sounds like you would rather be unhappy than just enjoy your time in game.

well if this isn't just a perfect description of so many people who post in this forum

[Skuc]

So you won't change the name, but you won't live up to it either. lol delicious

[aaezil]

OK anon_forum_quester :thumbsup:

The high end pixel sickness / constant petitioning each other like man children guilds are toxic. Been there done that. One day you will realize it as well my friend :)

[Phenyo]

nope, not every item is up for dkp bids, some stuff are "reserved' and handed out by a special group

:D

[wagorf]

I laugh when I hear statements like "don't make it about the loot" because that's literally what the game is about. Grinding camps for loot and experience, I sincerely hope no one uses eq as an outlet for socialization.

[Tenderizer]

virtue signal.

anytime pixels are involved there will be signaling. shootin laser beams into the sky