No, we shouldn't have Lucin. But maybe its Velious tweaks would be fine

[Dolalin]

Several Velious tweaks made during the Luclin era include:

- Vulak Ring
- Rooted dragons
- Ancient spells

I don't see a big issue with adding these.

[loramin]

I don't see a big issue with adding these.

Do you try ordering sweet and sour pork with a side of chow mein when you go to McDonalds?

No? Then why are you asking an entire team of people who have been building a Classic-Velious (and NOT Luclin) server for nearly a decade to suddenly change what they've been doing for all those years just because you want something different.

[Dolalin]

That's a bit disingenuous, since most players in EQ experienced Velious content during the Luclin era. Rooted dragons and Vulak ring event and all.

[Dolalin]

It'd also give Aftermath something to do every night. Detoxx would be over the moon.

[Twochain]

Rooted Dragons = P99 Raiding is boring as hell.

IDK why people swear up and down that it's the solution to p99's raiding "problems". WTF is fun about killing trash mobs for 3 hours to kill a dragon? How would that help casual guilds? The trash in ToV is probably harder then the dragons. If more then one guild is trying to compete for a rooted dragon... ToV would turn into Nagoya Station.

Now I don't want to sound like I am shitting on people's ideas on how to move forward with raiding on p99. But I really think rooting the dragons is the worst idea out of all of them.

But WTF do I know if it aint about big booties.

[Dolalin]

Lastly, Idol of Rallos Zek keeps people from wasting AoW. Just makes more sense really. It's like Velious SP3.

[Dolalin]

WTF is fun about killing trash mobs for 3 hours to kill a dragon?

Nothing, that's the point. Right now it's a loot conveyor belt. There should be more pain involved in getting those loots. It shouldn't be so easy mode.

[Twochain]

If we're talking about Custom Content... It would be cool if say, your guild had to complete a specific test or trial in order to unlock some Luclin raids. That's a whole can of worms, but I think it would be kind of fun.

[Tuurin]

If we're talking about Custom Content... It would be cool if say, your guild had to complete a specific test or trial in order to unlock some Luclin raids. That's a whole can of worms, but I think it would be kind of fun.

You mean, like flags? :D

[Check12345]

If we're talking about Custom Content... It would be cool if say, your guild had to complete a specific test or trial in order to unlock some Luclin raids. That's a whole can of worms, but I think it would be kind of fun.

It actually would be interesting to see if we could kill Emp/AHR in Velious gear with no AA power ups. Banes would have to be summoned for the melee folks if course.

[Dolalin]

I don't want this to get too off topic, but if we're wishlisting, a /charcopy to a "challenge server" with instanced Luclin content would be cool.

[Cecily]

Do you try ordering sweet and sour pork with a side of chow mein when you go to McDonalds?

No? Then why are you asking an entire team of people who have been building a Classic-Velious (and NOT Luclin) server for nearly a decade to suddenly change what they've been doing for all those years just because you want something different.

I get my McChickens with no mayo and extra pickles because I am a person of culture.

[d3r14k]

I get my McChickens with no mayo and extra pickles because I am a person of culture.

That sounds like ass cancer with extra steps.

Pickles are OK as a garnish, but have no business on a sandwich of any kind.

Just my $0.02.

[Ghostly]

Nothing, that's the point. Right now it's a loot conveyor belt. There should be more pain involved in getting those loots. It shouldn't be so easy mode.

100% this... People saying they don't want Dragons rooted because killing trash is a pain, are just looking for easy loot they don't actually have to earn.

Logging in to kill just a named mob is not raiding, its farming. There IS a difference.

[Twochain]

100% this... People saying they don't want Dragons rooted because killing trash is a pain, are just looking for easy loot they don't actually have to earn.

Logging in to kill just a named mob is not raiding, its farming. There IS a difference.

Ugh I wrote a long response to this then deleted it now I fell I have to respond again.

If it's so easy to kill dragons the way they currently are killed, why are there only two guilds that consistently contest Raid Targets in ToV? (Outside of trips).

MOST of the best playmakers/pullers/leaders/coth racers are in one of two guilds. Any second tier guild (i'm not shitting on anyone here btw, I love lots of people in Paradigm Shift ETC) can produce a force to kill the dragons. You need clerics, 2-3 Raid geared tanks, DPS. Slowers. That's the easy part. The hard part is getting the dragon to entrance.

And you're very wrong about the loot. A LOT of people, especially the playmakers, don't raid on p99 for the loot. I joined Aftermath because I wanted raid loot, that's the truth. I didn't expect to like raiding as much as I did. I figured that I would get some shit, and take off. But it's a lot of fun! I don't even give a shit about loot anymore. I raid because it's fun, and I love my guild members.

[Ghostly]

Ugh I wrote a long response to this then deleted it now I fell I have to respond again.

If it's so easy to kill dragons the way they currently are killed, why are there only two guilds that consistently contest Raid Targets in ToV? (Outside of trips).

MOST of the best playmakers/pullers/leaders/coth racers are in one of two guilds. Any second tier guild (i'm not shitting on anyone here btw, I love lots of people in Paradigm Shift ETC) can produce a force to kill the dragons. You need clerics, 2-3 Raid geared tanks, DPS. Slowers. That's the easy part. The hard part is getting the dragon to entrance.

And you're very wrong about the loot. A LOT of people, especially the playmakers, don't raid on p99 for the loot. I joined Aftermath because I wanted raid loot, that's the truth. I didn't expect to like raiding as much as I did. I figured that I would get some shit, and take off. But it's a lot of fun! I don't even give a shit about loot anymore. I raid because it's fun, and I love my guild members.

If lower tiered guilds weren't scared to step foot in ToV due to the top 2 raid guilds rule lawyering them into oblivion, there would be a lot more competition.

You say the hard part is getting the dragons to the entrance, the whole point of my post is that they shouldn't even have to bring them to the entrance, they should actually raid...

Also, you're on crack if you think those guilds are not raiding to get loot. That is about the most ridiculous shit i've ever heard.

[Mblake1981]

100% this... People saying they don't want Dragons rooted because killing trash is a pain, are just looking for easy loot they don't actually have to earn.

Logging in to kill just a named mob is not raiding, its farming. There IS a difference.

I agree with your sentiment. I have removed myself from both top tier raiding guilds due to boredom and being overall unimpressed by the raid scene, nothing at all appealing to me about sitting around waiting on pops or bat phones.

Spend the time working/learning/gearing a character up to 60 only to bumble fudge around is unacceptable. I was briefly in both top tier guilds and lost interest, ended up ghosting or taking a break.

My 60 bard is camped out in KC of all places now because at least its something to do besides camp idols, do Sir Lucan (wait in line) or stand around double pumping mana for clerics, waste of an epic bard. If that is what floats your boat, fine, enjoy that.

I did like being with a big group of people doing something, it was exciting to take part in. I liked the guys cracking jokes in Discord/TS, people playing music on that DJ website.

[Twochain]

If lower tiered guilds weren't scared to step foot in ToV due to the top 2 raid guilds rule lawyering them into oblivion, there would be a lot more competition.

You say the hard part is getting the dragons to the entrance, the whole point of my post is that they shouldn't even have to bring them to the entrance, they should actually raid...

Also, you're on crack if you think those guilds are not raiding to get loot. That is about the most ridiculous shit i've ever heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVjeKltMVJs

The people pulling the most weight in AM, in my opinion, do it because they have fun doing it 1st and loot 2nd. That's my opinion, and i'm not on drugs.

Rule lawyered into oblivion? That's ridiculous. Do the guild leaders expect other guilds to adhere to the same rules that we have to? Yes. Is that a problem? But it's not like we go out of our way to stick it to lower guilds. If you read our forums and discord, you would know that almost everyone very much wants healthy competition. When Awakened was suspended/dying earlier this year, raiding was boring as fuck.

[loramin]

people playing music on that DJ website.

Our guild has a Discord chatbot that does the same thing, and plays music chosen by us in our main voice chat (to choose the music we go to a separate chat room and run do "!play Journey Don't Stop Believing", or whatever.

A lot of people turn the bot's volume off, but the rest of us have a lot of fun DJing and listening to each other's songs.

[Twochain]

If lower tiered guilds weren't scared to step foot in ToV due to the top 2 raid guilds rule lawyering them into oblivion, there would be a lot more competition.


And i'm sure lower tier guilds will be A LOTTTT less afraid to step foot in NToV when the entire area has more trains then Grand Central Station while 140 experienced, raid geared people try to make it to a rooted dragon ……….

[bigjeff100]

And you're very wrong about the loot. A LOT of people, especially the playmakers, don't raid on p99 for the loot. I joined Aftermath because I wanted raid loot, that's the truth. I didn't expect to like raiding as much as I did. I figured that I would get some shit, and take off. But it's a lot of fun! I don't even give a shit about loot anymore. I raid because it's fun, and I love my guild members.

This is a similar concept to going to the gym though.. Nobody really has fun at the gym, or looks forward to it, until their goals have been reached. You know who has the most fun in the gym? Those good lookin buff guys and gals.. They always slappin hands, drinkin juice, chattin with other bro's and broette's, smiling, gettin it. You know who isn't having fun? The ones who need to be there. That guy sloggin away on the stupid elliptical, 100% pure unhappiness.. I'm not here to argue though, i get what your saying. I'm that guy at the gym, you're that guy on the raid scene. But I think you lose sight once you do reach the top, you lose sight of what it took to get there. It wasn't always fun, it wasn't always productive. That being said, i respect yall's hustle! Get them pixels!!!

[Pringles]

And i'm sure lower tier guilds will be A LOTTTT less afraid to step foot in NToV when the entire area has more trains then Grand Central Station while 140 experienced, raid geared people try to make it to a rooted dragon ……….

Leap frogging is classic as fuck. Rooted dragons would simulate what it was like in 2001. Right now you have two guilds competing in ToV they would have to pick and choose what to go for on a quake and race plus the scheming that would go down to decide who will be able to snag Vulak would be pretty fun in a strategic sense. Meanwhile lesser guilds can see what moves the top contenders are making to adjust their targets and could ride the wake that those two top guilds make clearing. Train station doesn't really make sense in this scenario. You are actually clearing trash and anyone leapfrogging is moving their force past whoever they are racing with not pulling trash over another guild.

[Twochain]

This is a similar concept to going to the gym though.. Nobody really has fun at the gym, or looks forward to it, until their goals have been reached. You know who has the most fun in the gym? Those good lookin buff guys and gals.. They always slappin hands, drinkin juice, chattin with other bro's and broette's, smiling, gettin it. You know who isn't having fun? The ones who need to be there. That guy sloggin away on the stupid elliptical, 100% pure unhappiness.. I'm not here to argue though, i get what your saying. I'm that guy at the gym, you're that guy on the raid scene. But I think you lose sight once you do reach the top, you lose sight of what it took to get there. It wasn't always fun, it wasn't always productive. That being said, i respect yall's hustle! Get them pixels!!!

I like your response. But that's the thing. Plenty of people start going to the gym hating it. After a week or two, maybe they realize.. wow, I already feel like I've improved. Or wow, I really have been having a lot more energy lately. Wow I really am starting to like this runners high. Wow I got a second wind for the first time. Wow my overall mood has improved dramatically... a year later they are the buff person slapping hands and weight spotting in a power stance. The unhappiness stems from self defeat. I'll never lose this weight. Everyone around me is so much more in shape. I probably look stupid. My fat is flopping around. We'll never beat Aftermath in a coth race....

Gotta put in the effort to get the results. You can be the person who realizes the HUGE benefits of being in shape and commits to their cause, or you can be the person who starts a diet, angrily orders a salad, and pick at it with a miserable look on your face.

<3

[maskedmelon]

The unhappiness stems from self defeat.

can't make this make sense to a rabbit unless it possesses a great deal of mental fluidity and a certain measure of pride.

[bigjeff100]

I like your response. But that's the thing. Plenty of people start going to the gym hating it. After a week or two, maybe they realize.. wow, I already feel like I've improved. Or wow, I really have been having a lot more energy lately. Wow I really am starting to like this runners high. Wow I got a second wind for the first time. Wow my overall mood has improved dramatically... a year later they are the buff person slapping hands and weight spotting in a power stance. The unhappiness stems from self defeat. I'll never lose this weight. Everyone around me is so much more in shape. I probably look stupid. My fat is flopping around. We'll never beat Aftermath in a coth race....

Gotta put in the effort to get the results. You can be the person who realizes the HUGE benefits of being in shape and commits to their cause, or you can be the person who starts a diet, angrily orders a salad, and pick at it with a miserable look on your face.

<3

I hear ya! I getcha boss! EQ like the gym, is time consuming, it's not hard, but it takes time and patience.. You lose and you win. Somedays you eat pizza, some days you roll 0's. Every now and then you recognize your gains in the mirror, and you roll a 100. Its amazing that impatient people exist on p99.. How do impatient people even make it to end game? That's beyond me.... People really need to decide if raiding is for them or not before getting into it.. I don't do many raids, but definitely been to a fair share. And nothing is more irritating than little children complaining about their loot. Shut up and attend the next raid, better luck next time. That's how i feel when i walk in the gym and see the squat racks filled up.. Better luck next time for me....

In the great words of 2chainz- My chain had another chain like it was pregnant, my favorite dish is turkey lasagna.

[America]

I like your response. But that's the thing. Plenty of people start going to the gym hating it. After a week or two, maybe they realize.. wow, I already feel like I've improved. Or wow, I really have been having a lot more energy lately. Wow I really am starting to like this runners high. Wow I got a second wind for the first time. Wow my overall mood has improved dramatically... a year later they are the buff person slapping hands and weight spotting in a power stance. The unhappiness stems from self defeat. I'll never lose this weight. Everyone around me is so much more in shape. I probably look stupid. My fat is flopping around. We'll never beat Aftermath in a coth race....

Gotta put in the effort to get the results. You can be the person who realizes the HUGE benefits of being in shape and commits to their cause, or you can be the person who starts a diet, angrily orders a salad, and pick at it with a miserable look on your face.

<3

the rare good post from a pixelcuck. savoring it.

[Nexii]

Or you can skip going to the gym, join AM and get all the pixels for little to no effort

I chose <Aftermath> and have no regrets. Good times

[bigjeff100]

Or you can skip going to the gym, join AM and get all the pixels for little to no effort

I chose <Aftermath> and have no regrets. Good times

Haha, well yes. Yes this is an option too :)