Hyjal > Bellringer

[Clearmind]

Bring back Lorb Bob!

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/cuc7sHB.jpg

[imsorryGMs]

Hyjal wouldn't have left vyemm up

[Arkanjil]

Bellringer is a super awesome leader. Literally let his guild get 0 Vyemm loot, waste hours of 125ish people’s time and not split Vulak loot just to end the Mexican stand off, when his guild gets the next Vulak on the impending repop anyway. Not that it really matters though, no one but Kelzeraz would get the Vulak loot since he got 12k DKP for having no life and PLing guild toons 60/hrs a week. No one wins.

[branamil]

cool server with neat rules where do I sign up

[Sonderbeast]

Make Doljonijarnimorinar Great Again.

[Clearmind]

Bellringer is a super awesome leader. Literally let his guild get 0 Vyemm loot, waste hours of 125ish people’s time and not split Vulak loot just to end the Mexican stand off, when his guild gets the next Vulak on the impending repop anyway. Not that it really matters though, no one but Kelzeraz would get the Vulak loot since he got 12k DKP for having no life and PLing guild toons 60/hrs a week. No one wins.

**13kdkp

[Arkanjil]

He's literally a piece of shit

https://i.imgur.com/KB2fsnD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/21XCkpS.jpg

[Sonderbeast]

Who's time did he waste though?

No-one forced you guys to stand around waiting, you could have all logged off and done something else for the night, or gone elsewhere and killed something random etc, or run some seperate faction groups.

I know there's only a few vulaks left until Luclin though, so fully understand the need for 70 of you to stand around RTE in a stalemate instead of just letting one go through to the keeper and relaxing.

But yes, bell is a bellend.

Tempest has a free Vyemm, we gave it to them.

No one can kill Vulak until he's dead. Therefore we have to wait until Tempest kills their free Vyemm before anyone can engage Vulak. So we're just twiddling our thumbs waiting for Tempest to kill their free mob, but they are too proud and paranoid to kill the damn thing.

It's a Lose/Lose situation thanks Tempest!

[Sonderbeast]

Is AM up at Vulak waiting to pull as soon as tempest has vyemm in camp? Maybe that's the problem.

either way Tempest doesn't get Vulak loot

(hope this helps)

[rezzie]

For the curious observers, here was the situation:

Aftermath had previously conceded Vyemm so could not engage him. Tempest would not engage Vyemm because it would all-but-guarantee Aftermath got Vulak. When AG/PS wiped to Vyemm and conceded him, it left a situation where there was no real prospect of a guild killing him anytime soon.

Tempest do not kill Vyemm, meaning nobody kills Vulak. Nobody gets any loot.
Tempest kills Vyemm and Aftermath kills Vulak. Both guilds get loot.

To try and end the stalemate, Aftermath reached out to Tempest leadership and offered to split the Vulak loot. We even offered to roll to see who got first pick. If Tempest accepted that would leave a third option:

Tempest gets all the loot from an uncontested Vyemm and gets half the loot from a Vulak they do not even have to touch. They even have a 50% chance for the first pick.

Unfortunately, Bellringer's greed means he declines the offer of free and uncontested loot, stating that they would rather just leave Vyemm up if that is all Aftermath was offering. Maybe we were short a 500k sweetener?

A frustrating situation for the regular members of both guilds who just wanted to compete and play the game.

As an aside, Aftermath is recruiting! If you enjoy playing the game, killing dragons, and experiencing the thrill of earning loot then apply today: aftermath99.org (aftermath99.org/). Our new applicants are winning BIS items right from the start, without having to compete against the elite inner circle who hoard the DKP or bomb and then ghost!

[Baler]

Tempest doing something shady and ill-willed.

NO way, could never happen. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Freakish]

I did.

[Baylan295]

Why did agps concede after a wipe? Excusing then training people, but surely wiping to a dragon, you Rez up and have another crack. Who accepted their concession or even asked for one?

Vyemm came to entrance and killed people from other guilds. A concession was appropriate, so PS/AG conceded.

[Wonkie]

spiteful little turds

[diamondfist]

Why did agps concede after a wipe? Excusing then training people, but surely wiping to a dragon, you Rez up and have another crack. Who accepted their concession or even asked for one?

Concession of a mob thats still alive by a guild doesn't have to be accepted by anyone... as its a concession to the server and not a single guild. Think you are thinking of petition quest after the fact guilds have to come to an agreement.


So is there a pool for how long vulak stays up? I dont see kittens and co killing vyemm.

Wheres <Core> when the server needs them?

[Sonderbeast]

What's the incentive to get you guys vulak loot? Vyemm loot is half garbage anyways.

I would have accepted the 50/50 vulak split and not wasted everyone's time, but just handing giving AM a vulak in exchange for a vyemm is stupid.

Yes, any sane and reasonable person would have accepted a 50/50 split. That's why this is hilarious.

[rezzie]

Yes, any sane and reasonable person would have accepted a 50/50 split. That's why this is hilarious.

Mentally healthy adult*.

[Jan Jensen]

Except some random R&F troglodyte not in AM/TP/PS/AG would have petitioned for the hell of it.

P99, a wondrous place.

[pogs4ever]

kittens do not concede.

[Swish2]

Seriously there's a better rapport on a game of League of Legends than between guilds in the P99 blue raiding community.

Rules are a weapon against other guilds, which is why people like them - right?

[Nikkanu]

I'd post a link to Aftermath's recruitment forums here but it seems Bellringer is doing a better job recruiting for Aftermath than I could ever do.

+1

[Zutizutzut]

Back on topic...Giant Douche or Turd sandwich? You decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVwh8PW6r88

[arcanon]

would love to co raid and kill shit with other guilds, yeah we compete but when shit like this happens, just come together, kill shit, go back to whatever it is you like doing.

buuuut Tempest leadership

[Phenyo]

yikes

[Tortok]

What's the incentive to get you guys vulak loot? Vyemm loot is half garbage anyways.

I would have accepted the 50/50 vulak split and not wasted everyone's time, but just handing giving AM a vulak in exchange for a vyemm is stupid.

P99, where it's not about which dragons you kill but which dragons other guilds don't kill!

[shuklak]

Tempest played it right. Sometimes your win is anothers loss.

Thats p99 for ya!

[arosian]

What's the incentive to get you guys vulak loot? Vyemm loot is half garbage anyways.

I would have accepted the 50/50 vulak split and not wasted everyone's time, but just handing giving AM a vulak in exchange for a vyemm is stupid.

https://i.imgur.com/l8ayIki.png

[Nexii]

Tempest would rather give up a full Vyemm and half a Vulak than see AM get half a Vulak. Kind of says a lot

[Detoxx]

Tempest would rather give up a full Vyemm and half a Vulak than see AM get half a Vulak. Kind of says a lot

This coming from the guild that promised they wouldnt be Awakened 2.0 when let off suspension early. They're worse, Awakened would at least rather kil the mobs and get their members some loot. This leadership would rather waste everyone's time because they think their some sort of patron saint.

Pretty sad, I feel for the members. My guild was upset because, at some point, were here to just play a game but dealing with competition that has 33 year old man and woman children really hinders that.

Grats Tempest, you really showed us! At the cost of your own members sacrifice.

[Baler]

Detoxx does your shit stink?, because it's fuckin foul bro.

[Comoc1]

He's literally a piece of shit

https://i.imgur.com/KB2fsnD.jpg

Hilarious! Funniest thing I’ve seen all week.

[icedwards]

This coming from the guild that promised they wouldnt be Awakened 2.0 when let off suspension early. They're worse, Awakened would at least rather kil the mobs and get their members some loot. This leadership would rather waste everyone's time because they think their some sort of patron saint.

Pretty sad, I feel for the members. My guild was upset because, at some point, were here to just play a game but dealing with competition that has 33 year old man and woman children really hinders that.

Grats Tempest, you really showed us! At the cost of your own members sacrifice.


A reminder that Breaken was more or less a mild mannered pixel beaurocrat. Enjoy your autistic doppelganger in Bellringer for the foreseeable future.

[Detoxx]

A reminder that Breaken was more or less a mild mannered pixel beaurocrat. Enjoy your autistic doppelganger in Bellringer for the foreseeable future.

Enjoy your raiding in the future.

Oh wait.

Yikes.

[icedwards]

Enjoy your raiding in the future.

Oh wait.

Yikes.

Got'em :rolleyes:

[Baler]

AM has 8 raid suspensions on the docket
Core has 2.

https://i.imgur.com/kUrnKJc.gif

[Arkanjil]

AM has 8 raid suspensions on the docket
Core has 2.

https://i.imgur.com/kUrnKJc.gif

It really does suck....but Core has been suspended longer than they've been a guild :(

[Detoxx]

AM has 8 raid suspensions on the docket
Core has 2.

https://i.imgur.com/kUrnKJc.gif

Core has 5, totaling more days than AMs 8. Nice try, go back to your hole in red.

[Baler]

Core has 5, totaling more days than AMs 8. Nice try, go back to your hole in red.

No.. Core has 2, in Raid Discussion. Just because one is extended doesn't make it a new one.

Time to take a look in the mirror old man.

[booter]

As an aside, Aftermath is recruiting! If you enjoy playing the game, killing dragons, and experiencing the thrill of earning loot then apply today: aftermath99.org (aftermath99.org/). Our new applicants are winning BIS items right from the start, without having to compete against the elite inner circle who hoard the DKP or bomb and then ghost!

Posting this in a thread that shows why raiding on P99 is hot garbage :o

[jpetrick]

A reminder that Breaken was more or less a mild mannered pixel beaurocrat.

Yeah, I was on the class R forums, this is an outright lie.

[totmanc]

Can you imagine one hundred and forty grown men and women waiting to not kill a dragon. I know I can

[Nuggets]

Aftermath pursued the PS/AG concession. Enjoy the wall stare this weekend

[Jan Jensen]

Yeah, kinda doubt that until I see proof. More likely, paranoia over getting a 30 day ban for wtf reasons made PS/AG concede.

[Phenyo]

Aftermath pursued the PS/AG concession. Enjoy the wall stare this weekend

Why would AM push for the concession when it was in their best interests for CSG to kill the dragon?

[Baler]

Why would AM push for the concession when it was in their best interests for CSG to kill the dragon?

That's exactly what im thinking facepalming to all this discussion. Litterally any guild that can kill that one mob before vulack AM will cheer on atm.

[Clearmind]

Europa/Omni with a very brave and well done attempt!!! Grats guys.. sorry you were forced to concede would of loved to see another attempt. The point is to kill dragons if you are a raid guild. Tempest im sure have your guild is split and pissed off. GG

[Baler]

Europa/Omni with a very brave and well done attempt!!! Grats guys.. sorry you were forced to concede would of loved to see another attempt. The point is to kill dragons if you are a raid guild. Tempest im sure have your guild is split and pissed off. GG

Wait tempest didnt even try?

[Clearmind]

They log in and just sit there. im sure most of your guild is tired of this bull shit.

[Baler]

Why would tempest cuck it's own members out of loot?

[Kesselring]

Aftermath pursued the PS/AG concession. Enjoy the wall stare this weekend

Are you brainwashed or just really that dumb to believe this?

[Arkanjil]

Tempest even sat and watched us kill Zlandicar...maybe they just like staring at things..

[Baler]

wtf is tempest even a raid guild hahaha

[Baylan295]

Aftermath pursued the PS/AG concession. Enjoy the wall stare this weekend

Since there are a lot of people that don’t believe this, PS/AG were asked to concede while we were evaluating whether it was appropriate to do so. Our evaluation is that it was appropriate to concede, so we conceded.

[Baler]

Please leak the rest of that msg.

[arcanon]

repop going to happen soon anyways and this will all be over,

as well as alot of "other" things will be over soon. mWUAHHAHHA

[Erati]

Is AM's offer still on the table? (Split Vulak loot while rolling for 1st pick)

Maybe give Tempest 3rd item automatically to sweeten deal?

Are two repops still due? With Tempest getting SimRepop Vulak via rotation agreement, how is that going to be figured out if the original Vulak and Vyemm stay alive when ground shakes?

Woo Friday is almost over - enjoy the weekend everyone!

[branamil]

I don't think a quake invalidates a concede. So vyemm may very well be up for many days or weeks. Cool and normal server with neat rules

[Baler]

Is AM's offer still on the table? (Split Vulak loot while rolling for 1st pick)

Maybe give Tempest 3rd item automatically to sweeten deal?

Are two repops still due? With Tempest getting SimRepop Vulak via rotation agreement, how is that going to be figured out if the original Vulak and Vyemm stay alive when ground shakes?

Woo Friday is almost over - enjoy the weekend everyone!

Wait what... LMFAO
AM offer Tempest loot


WTF?!!!!

[Arkanjil]

Wait what... LMFAO
AM offer Tempest loot


WTF?!!!!

http://imgur.com/w7X0vzl

[Arkanjil]

Let’s try this again...

http://i.imgur.com/w7X0vzl.jpg

[Erati]

Let’s try this again...

http://i.imgur.com/w7X0vzl.jpg

Right - what would happen with the 3rd item? ( if it dropped )

Also its pretty nice of Toxx to offer Tempest Vyemm loot after its been conceded by them :confused::confused:

[Baler]

Let’s try this again...

It's been a long time since F.A.T. :rolleyes:

[Baler]

Right - what would happen with the 3rd item? ( if it dropped )

Also its pretty nice of Toxx to offer Tempest Vyemm loot after its been conceded by them :confused::confused:

Wait it was conceded ?
holy shit my raid scene up to date knowledge has gaps.

[Erati]

Wait it was conceded ?
holy shit my raid scene up to date knowledge has gaps.

Yes current situation is PS/AG, Euromni and AM have all conceded Vyemm.

Only Tempest can engage Vyemm legally however this would mean AM can basically pull a free Vulak while Tempest is killing Vyemm.

That's why I was wondering if the 3rd loot can be a bargaining chip or what the repercussions of a repop happening right this second with the Vulak that spawns on the quake owed to Tempest would bring to the elf courts.

[JackofSpade]

I personally think this was a smart move for tempest. They knew they could probably not kill vyemm (arguably the hardest dragon in all of ToV), so why waste raid c on nsumables and mana on a dragon beyond their skill level?

[Baler]

They knew they could probably not kill vyemm

Than what the fuck are they doing in tov?
Just curious. Is the goal to fuck over as many people as possible?
I hate AM and tempest,.. but I can't not believe AM is pissed at tempest for this...?

[Rizzle]

Vulak would be FFA since it wouldn't be a quake Vulak (since he's still up). Only way Tempest would get their free quake Vulak would be if the current one dies before the next quake.

[Erati]

Vulak would be FFA since it wouldn't be a quake Vulak (since he's still up). Only way Tempest would get their free quake Vulak would be if the current one dies before the next quake.

Im not so sure about this, I believe the mechanic of a quake actually replaces all currently unspawned ( or spawned ) placeholders.

So I am fairly certain if a quake hit, a new Vulak would replace the one sitting there and the old Vulak would re-apppear however many hours later it takes for the new one to die after spawning ( with some variance I believe )

I am not positive of course, certainly could work the opposite way.

[Phenyo]

I believe an earthquake repops mobs that have not been engaged, any mobs that are currently engaged in combat do not despawn and are not replaced by another version of themselves

[Baylan295]

Im not so sure about this, I believe the mechanic of a quake actually replaces all currently unspawned ( or spawned ) placeholders.

So I am fairly certain if a quake hit, a new Vulak would replace the one sitting there and the old Vulak would re-apppear however many hours later it takes for the new one to die after spawning ( with some variance I believe )

I am not positive of course, certainly could work the opposite way.

An engaged statue does not repop when the ground shakes. Take that for what you will.

[arcanon]

I believe an earthquake repops mobs that have not been engaged, any mobs that are currently engaged in combat do not despawn and are not replaced by another version of themselves

you sir, are correct

[Arkanjil]

http://i.imgur.com/kmXw3cr.jpg

[Nikkanu]

I personally think this was a smart move for tempest. They knew they could probably not kill vyemm (arguably the hardest dragon in all of ToV), so why waste raid c on nsumables and mana on a dragon beyond their skill level?

[spoof2424]

they are too proud and paranoid to kill the damn thing.

!

This is how one paces.

[Arkanjil]

I’d pay to the see disgruntled Tempest members rise up and overthrow Bellringer and crew in a mutiny, so the 200ish raiders between Am/Tempest can kill Vulak. We’ll split the loot and continue on with our lives.

[misterbonkers]

i don't know what's more amazing, tempest being this weird paranoid cult or the sheer amount of aftermath mad because they can't get pixels either

[aaezil]

The amount of butthurt is astounding well done

[mr_jon3s]

And people shit on the TLP’s for having instance raiding.

[Jan Jensen]

I used to hate instanced raiding. And then I saw the grand joke of p99 endgame.

[Danth]

I used to hate instanced raiding. And then I saw the grand joke of p99 endgame.

I've been saying for quite a few years that P99 serves as a case study for why practically all newer online role-playing games make significant use of instancing.

...long creepy post of quoted material

That can't be real, can it? Surely nobody has such a crippling lack of self-esteem that they'd allow the self-anointed leaders of a video game guild to talk down to them in such a condescending manner without telling 'em to get bent. I'm not in a high-end guild on P99, and none of the folks on my friend list who're in 'em report being mistreated in such a manner. Are they failing to mention it because it's made up....or because they're embarrassed?

Danth

[Wonkie]

congratulations tempest you make detoxx look like the good guy

[Sonderbeast]

DKP packages available for Tempest members looking to move on to a better guild.

[Wonkie]

DKP packages available for Tempest members looking to move on to a better guild.

how many DKP is green scale

[remen]

So we know that tempest turned down the offer of vyemm loot + half of vulak with a roll off for first pick of loot. Was a counter offer from tempest ever made? Just curious what their goal was / is here, and what they think is fair? Or are their leaders just enjoying holding the server hostage at the expense of loot for their own Guildmembers?

This whole situation makes me think that the rules of conceding a mob need to be modified where there is a time limit on the concession. I.e. guild A pulls a dragon to the ent and wipes, causing other guilds at ent to die, so they concede the right to attempt the dragon again for 48 hours (for example) giving the affected guild / guilds plenty of time to have a clean attempt at it.

[Nexii]

how many DKP is green scale

About 380 DKP on average lately. You can get that in a month of somewhere between casual and hardcore raiding.

[Nexii]

Na quake is coming, everyone will lose the free Vulak :P Lol.

[Erati]

Na quake is coming, everyone will lose the free Vulak :P Lol.

Since when? Was there definitive proof during a recent quake of a raid mob that was already alive prior to quake not respawning again after the repop version is slain?

note: The new “old” spawn never would spawn instantly after quake version’s death, it always showed up sometime later.

Rogean very clearly one night stated on a broadcast no mobs would be lost when they did a quake with half of ToV still up (during one of the first A/A suspensions).

[Nexii]

Since when? Was there definitive proof during a recent quake of a raid mob that was already alive prior to quake not respawning again after the repop version is slain?

note: The new “old” spawn never would spawn instantly after quake version’s death, it always showed up sometime later.

Rogean very clearly one night stated on a broadcast no mobs would be lost when they did a quake with half of ToV still up (during one of the first A/A suspensions).

Uh I don't get your logic. If Vulak isn't killed before the quake that's one less Vulak killed.

[Erati]

Uh I don't get your logic. If Vulak isn't killed before the quake that's one less Vulak killed.

That’s not how earthquakes work or used to rather, that’s what I was asking if someone had recent evidence of them working differently.

In the past, when an earthquake occurs, any raid mobs currently up are replaced with the new spawn however after the new spawn is slain, sometime later (usually around some kind of variance depending how long new spawn sits up) another would spawn so that the earthquakes would not “eat” a spawn because there are random.

[Sonderbeast]

The real reason Tempest is called TP is because you need a lot of TP when u drop a Bellringer.

[Erati]

That’s not how earthquakes work or used to rather.

I gave this a second thought and realize that the behavior I was describing was when P99Earthquakes did not affect raid mob timers. This was especially annoying when multiple people had access to the raid timer sheet and did not realize this.

I believe P99Earthquakes currently change the mob timer windows soon as they are killed. So with that change in mind, an earthquake-Vulak killed when the normal spawn one was already alive would result in seemingly one less Vulak unless some funky chicken magic occurred sometime later which seems unlikely.

My mistake.

[Detoxx]

So we know that tempest turned down the offer of vyemm loot + half of vulak with a roll off for first pick of loot. Was a counter offer from tempest ever made? Just curious what their goal was / is here, and what they think is fair? Or are their leaders just enjoying holding the server hostage at the expense of loot for their own Guildmembers?

This whole situation makes me think that the rules of conceding a mob need to be modified where there is a time limit on the concession. I.e. guild A pulls a dragon to the ent and wipes, causing other guilds at ent to die, so they concede the right to attempt the dragon again for 48 hours (for example) giving the affected guild / guilds plenty of time to have a clean attempt at it.

Here's the counter offer:

https://i.imgur.com/endPfGV.png?1

[rezzie]

Well, the Vyemm loot isn't really an offer, since it was already conceded.

Except not really. Even though he is conceded, Tempest have no way of killing him without sacrificing a shot at Vulak. What Aftermath offered was a way for them to get that loot and have free Vulak loot.

Perhaps some Tempest members will see how brain dead the decision to turn it down was, as it hurts their own members more than Aftermath. We lose half of Vulak loot, but they lose 100% of Vyemm loot and half of free Vulak loot.

It’s also cost them a Zlandicar and it’ll probably cost them some members who realise they didn’t join a raiding guild that wants to compete, but one that wants to get loot through backroom deals and lawyerquesting. The last few cycles have shown how much they suffer when they’re forced to compete for mobs instead of having to rely on questionable tactics to force concessions.

Yes some in Aftermath are frustrated at the extended socking, but I would bet there is more discontent in the censored members in Tempest who have been denied the chance to be outbid on some BIS gear by Kelz.

[Detoxx]

As you can see, I did not offer them a Vyemm, I simply said "you kill Vyemm and well kill Vulak".

[Sonderbeast]

how many DKP is green scale

my soul

[Tupakk]

Here's the counter offer:

https://i.imgur.com/endPfGV.png?1

You won’t win. Tempest is shit. Wouldn’t even bother talking to them.


Off hand how long does it take you to kill vulak.

If I could stall vyemm for as long as you take to pull and kill I will, for 500k :p :p :p

Jk

I would do it for free just to watch flickk cry in her poop soup.

[Detoxx]

Also Giants suck

Yes, yes they do :(

Another year down the shitter.

[Detoxx]

You won’t win. Tempest is shit. Wouldn’t even bother talking to them.


Off hand how long does it take you to kill vulak.

If I could stall vyemm for as long as you take to pull and kill I will, for 500k :p :p :p

Jk

I would do it for free just to watch flickk cry in her poop soup.

We can work something out :p

It generally takes around 15 mins to kill it though so need a good force!

[Sonderbeast]

Has Tupac inherited the mantle of LORD BOB?!

[Tupakk]

We can work something out :p

It generally takes around 15 mins to kill it though so need a good force!

Lol if I use my tempest toon will I get bonus points.


I bet I could spin up enough ppl if you make the offer nice. Like a roll on vulak loot.

[Tupakk]

Has Tupac inherited the mantle of LORD BOB?!

Negative.

But that Wtov channel could be pretty big right now for this.

Spin the crew up. Make big things happen.

[shadowdinah]

https://i.imgur.com/qokdBP3.gif

MRW i walk into tov and see Vyemm is still up.

[Sonderbeast]

Negative.

But that Wtov channel could be pretty big right now for this.

Spin the crew up. Make big things happen.

Most people involved in WToV are in guilds who have conceded vyemm. You're gonna have to go through Aegis (chirp chirp) or the alliance TSS is involved with.

[Tupakk]

Most people involved in WToV are in guilds who have conceded vyemm. You're gonna have to go through Aegis (chirp chirp) or the alliance TSS is involved with.

A 15 in stall isn’t that hard we would need maybe 40 bodies. Running aimlessly through tov with some DA or a few monks that can train well to secondary each other and flop game.

[Tupakk]

Use your tempest toon and just train the WToV group with Vyemm. Tempest concedes Vyemm. Problem solved.

Then they wouldn’t be ready to kill Vulak. Cause of train.

[Sonderbeast]

A 15 in stall isn’t that hard we would need maybe 40 bodies. Running aimlessly through tov with some DA or a few monks that can train well to secondary each other and flop game.

Why would anyone want to do that

[imsorryGMs]

I proposed a 50am vs 50tp duel in arena for shot at vulak but no one liked that idea

[Sonderbeast]

AIkons V Kelzaraz

I'd watch this at BWW

[Nexii]

Glad I finished my WTOV set awhile ago. ZZZ

[Sonderbeast]

Glad I finished my WTOV set awhile ago. ZZZ

https://i.imgur.com/Yzw7at2.gif

[Mendo]

AIkons V Kelzaraz

I'd watch this at BWW

This would be a fun event to bet money on. I would for sure buy a ticket to this fight!

[imsorryGMs]

Money on Baekons always

[Nexii]

https://i.imgur.com/LHfqCtf.jpg

[Sonderbeast]

https://i.imgur.com/LHfqCtf.jpg

you look very nice.

[Tupakk]

Why would anyone want to do that

At a chance for 1 free piece of vulak loot.

Cause that what’s been offered.

So 1 hours worth of work for top raid tier loot.

[Check12345]

https://i.imgur.com/LHfqCtf.jpg

do you have a crazy cleric outfit going on as well?

[Detoxx]

At a chance for 1 free piece of vulak loot.

Cause that what’s been offered.

So 1 hours worth of work for top raid tier loot.

Deal. Make it happen.

[Ella`Ella]

https://i.imgur.com/LHfqCtf.jpg

I’d eat it

[Detoxx]

I’d eat it

Why do you text me then not answer when I respond you cuck

[Nexii]

do you have a crazy cleric outfit going on as well?

Never been to POM believe it or not

[Lammy]

Rustle would have taken the deal

[Nexii]

I’d eat it

DM me~

[Jameus]

So we know that tempest turned down the offer of vyemm loot + half of vulak with a roll off for first pick of loot. Was a counter offer from tempest ever made? Just curious what their goal was / is here, and what they think is fair? Or are their leaders just enjoying holding the server hostage at the expense of loot for their own Guildmembers?

This whole situation makes me think that the rules of conceding a mob need to be modified where there is a time limit on the concession. I.e. guild A pulls a dragon to the ent and wipes, causing other guilds at ent to die, so they concede the right to attempt the dragon again for 48 hours (for example) giving the affected guild / guilds plenty of time to have a clean attempt at it.

That would be really logical and make situations like this resolve themselves! Wonder what it would take to get that into the raid policies.

[Jan Jensen]

Makes too much sense. Won't happen.

[Schaduwridder]

Bellringer is a super awesome leader. Literally let his guild get 0 Vyemm loot, waste hours of 125ish people’s time and not split Vulak loot just to end the Mexican stand off, when his guild gets the next Vulak on the impending repop anyway. Not that it really matters though, no one but Kelzeraz would get the Vulak loot since he got 12k DKP for having no life and PLing guild toons 60/hrs a week. No one wins.

You talk about him having no life yet you post this, if you know this information you also have no life

None of the 125 people at that raid do, earning dkp to spend on emulated 18 year old loot

Seek help asap

[Jonabis]

It’s also cost them a Zlandicar and it’ll probably cost them some members who realise they didn’t join a raiding guild that wants to compete, but one that wants to get loot through backroom deals and lawyerquesting. The last few cycles have shown how much they suffer when they’re forced to compete for mobs instead of having to rely on questionable tactics to force concessiond.


If this was at all true, wouldnt they have jumped at your offer? It seems to me like Tempest made the smart play here. Their 50 man crew got to bathe in the warm salty tears of a zerg worth of Aftermath players. Quake happens and Tempest bags a Vyemm and Vulak with AM's crystallized salt from so many tears still fresh in their crafty little neck beards.

[rezzie]

If this was at all true, wouldnt they have jumped at your offer? It seems to me like Tempest made the smart play here. Their 50 man crew got to bathe in the warm salty tears of a zerg worth of Aftermath players. Quake happens and Tempest bags a Vyemm and Vulak with AM's crystallized salt from so many tears still fresh in their crafty little neck beards.

Is this sanctioned propaganda from the top or are you risking a DKP dock by posting this?

[Jonabis]

Well, at least you are speaking from on focused point of your mouth now rather than both sides.

[jpetrick]

If this was at all true, wouldnt they have jumped at your offer? It seems to me like Tempest made the smart play here. Their 50 man crew got to bathe in the warm salty tears of a zerg worth of Aftermath players. Quake happens and Tempest bags a Vyemm and Vulak with AM's crystallized salt from so many tears still fresh in their crafty little neck beards.

Yes, i’m sure the members would rather have that than actually being able to play the game by killing dragons. I would leave every mob up in ToV if I knew it meant no one else could kill it.

You’re a moron.

[Nikkanu]

If this was at all true, wouldnt they have jumped at your offer? It seems to me like Tempest made the smart play here. Their 50 man crew got to bathe in the warm salty tears of a zerg worth of Aftermath players. Quake happens and Tempest bags a Vyemm and Vulak with AM's crystallized salt from so many tears still fresh in their crafty little neck beards.

Jon you're a big dick player. Good to see he doesn't care where Bellringer and Flickk tell him he can or can't post on the internet. Big respect for rising up against tyranny and bullies. Glad to see more and more of my old buds saying enough is enough. <3

[matticas]

You talk about him having no life yet you post this, if you know this information you also have no life

None of the 125 people at that raid do, earning dkp to spend on emulated 18 year old loot

Seek help asap

one of those endlessly ironic posts. people telling people who post in forums or play video games that they have no life...in a video game forum. you've become what you disparage

just shudup and let people enjoy themselves

[Clearmind]

Yes, i’m sure the members would rather have that than actually being able to play the game by killing dragons. I would leave every mob up in ToV if I knew it meant no one else could kill it.

You’re a moron.

THIS

[Detoxx]

If this was at all true, wouldnt they have jumped at your offer? It seems to me like Tempest made the smart play here. Their 50 man crew got to bathe in the warm salty tears of a zerg worth of Aftermath players. Quake happens and Tempest bags a Vyemm and Vulak with AM's crystallized salt from so many tears still fresh in their crafty little neck beards.

So the smart play was to lose 2-3 Vyemm loots, 1-2 possible Vulak loots and move on to kill your own rotated Vulak that you would have gotten anyway? No wonder they can make dumb calls over there, they spin it ever so well to the members.

You all had to be there every time there was a shot at someone else killing Vyemm too, shitting in socks. Just because we did it with 40 more people than you each time doesn't negate the fact that it was a waste of everyones time.

Please think better before you drool on your keyboard and, if at all possible, refrain from posting as your leaders demand.

[Jonabis]

It’s also cost them a Zlandicar and it’ll probably cost them some members who realise they didn’t join a raiding guild that wants to compete, but one that wants to get loot through backroom deals and lawyerquesting. The last few cycles have shown how much they suffer when they’re forced to compete for mobs instead of having to rely on questionable tactics to force concessions.



So the smart play was to lose 2-3 Vyemm loots, 1-2 possible Vulak loots and move on to kill your own rotated Vulak that you would have gotten anyway? No wonder they can make dumb calls over there, they spin it ever so well to the members.

You all had to be there every time there was a shot at someone else killing Vyemm too, shitting in socks. Just because we did it with 40 more people than you each time doesn't negate the fact that it was a waste of everyones time.

Please think better before you drool on your keyboard and, if at all possible, refrain from posting as your leaders demand.


You are taking my quote a bit out of context, maybe stop wearing that helmet or get it resized to allow better blood flow to your brain.. My primary point here is one of your goons is trying to state that Tempest does not want to compete. They say Tempest wants to only do backroom deals etc. for pixels. I was pointing out how this situation kind of contradicts that statement.

The leaders of Tempest would rather deny Aftermath's horde potentially only one single Vulak loot that would secure Tempest getting an already conceded Vy loot table and 1-2 Vulak loots. This to me seems quite opposite of a guild looking for free pixels as opposed to competition. Tempest was on standby any time Vy had potential of being killed by another entity to be able to compete for Vulak , win or lose. It was not a waste of Tempest's time to be there to compete for Vulak. I guess Aftermath's leadership should have called off their raid if that's how the bulk of their guild felt about being there to try to have a chance to compete for Vulak.

I can only speak for myself, but after years of seeing people dealing with you Detoxx I have no idea why anyone would ever consider trying to work anything out with you. I give mad props for the leaders of Tempest even trying to hold a conversation with you and understand how frustrating it must be for them. Tempest would rather have fun actually competing as much as possible and not see that as wasted time because that is what the end game is all about here on p99. This is quite contrary to the post I quoted and replied to.


It sounds to me like Aftermath maybe getting a bit tired of competition. I hope that isn't true. Keep your chin up Detoxx, the dragons will keep on spawning, you just gotta believe.

[Nexii]

Tempest is going to lose a lot more than 1 Vulak/Doze with the quake agreement ending. AOW all over again.

What's the saying, it's like cutting off the nose to spite the face

When you're the weaker guild it's in your interest to come to an agreement

[Rizzle]

Jonabis what you stated above is just wrong. Now that there was a quake, Tempest lost out on 3 pieces of loot (2 from Vyemm and 1 from Vulak). Vyemm was still theirs from being conceded by just about everyone on the server and Vulak was guaranteed theirs on the next quake due to it being rotated. If they would have agreed to split the Vulak loot they would have received 4 pieces of Vyemm loot and 3 pieces of Vulak loot. Instead they lost 3 pieces of loot for their members for refusing to work anything out.

People in this thread stated that Vyemm loot is garbage, but I garuntee there are plenty of Tempest members who would have loved to snag Vyemm loot. Maybe their top members don't care about Vyemm loot but I'm sure they have a ton of regular members who would greatly benefit from that loot.

[remen]

Jonabis what you stated above is just wrong. Now that there was a quake, Tempest lost out on 3 pieces of loot (2 from Vyemm and 1 from Vulak). Vyemm was still theirs from being conceded by just about everyone on the server and Vulak was guaranteed theirs on the next quake due to it being rotated. If they would have agreed to split the Vulak loot they would have received 4 pieces of Vyemm loot and 3 pieces of Vulak loot. Instead they lost 3 pieces of loot for their members for refusing to work anything out.

People in this thread stated that Vyemm loot is garbage, but I garuntee there are plenty of Tempest members who would have loved to snag Vyemm loot. Maybe their top members don't care about Vyemm loot but I'm sure they have a ton of regular members who would greatly benefit from that loot.

These are all great points

[Tupakk]

Jonabis what you stated above is just wrong. Now that there was a quake, Tempest lost out on 3 pieces of loot (2 from Vyemm and 1 from Vulak). Vyemm was still theirs from being conceded by just about everyone on the server and Vulak was guaranteed theirs on the next quake due to it being rotated. If they would have agreed to split the Vulak loot they would have received 4 pieces of Vyemm loot and 3 pieces of Vulak loot. Instead they lost 3 pieces of loot for their members for refusing to work anything out.

People in this thread stated that Vyemm loot is garbage, but I garuntee there are plenty of Tempest members who would have loved to snag Vyemm loot. Maybe their top members don't care about Vyemm loot but I'm sure they have a ton of regular members who would greatly benefit from that loot.


Tempest top gives 0 fucks about its bottom. IT was clearly stated in that text/skype/message that was posted.

They dont want your opinions they just want you to stab and stare. IF you speak you are out.

running a great guild :)

[Eukaryotik]

ITT Pixel addicts post confusion about other players not obsessing over pixels

[ibiza]

These are all great points

what he said

[Sonderbeast]

ITT Pixel addicts post confusion about other players not obsessing over pixels

Fake and gay (your pic)

[isiah]

Tempest top gives 0 fucks about its bottom. IT was clearly stated in that text/skype/message that was posted.

They dont want your opinions they just want you to stab and stare. IF you speak you are out.

running a great guild :)

Truths.

Aforementioned screenshot available up on request.

[Sonderbeast]

ruining a great guild :)

FTFY

[Arkanjil]

You are taking my quote a bit out of context, maybe stop wearing that helmet or get it resized to allow better blood flow to your brain.. My primary point here is one of your goons is trying to state that Tempest does not want to compete. They say Tempest wants to only do backroom deals etc. for pixels. I was pointing out how this situation kind of contradicts that statement.

The leaders of Tempest would rather deny Aftermath's horde potentially only one single Vulak loot that would secure Tempest getting an already conceded Vy loot table and 1-2 Vulak loots. This to me seems quite opposite of a guild looking for free pixels as opposed to competition. Tempest was on standby any time Vy had potential of being killed by another entity to be able to compete for Vulak , win or lose. It was not a waste of Tempest's time to be there to compete for Vulak. I guess Aftermath's leadership should have called off their raid if that's how the bulk of their guild felt about being there to try to have a chance to compete for Vulak.

I can only speak for myself, but after years of seeing people dealing with you Detoxx I have no idea why anyone would ever consider trying to work anything out with you. I give mad props for the leaders of Tempest even trying to hold a conversation with you and understand how frustrating it must be for them. Tempest would rather have fun actually competing as much as possible and not see that as wasted time because that is what the end game is all about here on p99. This is quite contrary to the post I quoted and replied to.


It sounds to me like Aftermath maybe getting a bit tired of competition. I hope that isn't true. Keep your chin up Detoxx, the dragons will keep on spawning, you just gotta believe.

The majority of good loot that Tempest received lately all went to Kelzaraz anyway, not the regular members. Grats on having a fair and balanced DKP system.

[Nexii]

The majority of good loot that Tempest received lately all went to Kelzaraz anyway, not the regular members. Grats on having a fair and balanced DKP system.

Looking forward to item montage #2!

[Nexii]

Who has earned more tracking dkp, kelz or zarza?

Lately it's all about that bot levelling DKP

Kelz by miles though

[Clearmind]

And still cant kite Growth LOL

[Pyrrhica]

So all of the rotations got nuked?

[arcanon]

So all of the rotations got nuked?

after this next repop yea boy!

[Linksfather]

after this next repop yea boy!

Should have happen months ago

[paegan]

seems like a healthy end game :)

[Zekayy]

Jonabis what you stated above is just wrong. Now that there was a quake, Tempest lost out on 3 pieces of loot (2 from Vyemm and 1 from Vulak). Vyemm was still theirs from being conceded by just about everyone on the server and Vulak was guaranteed theirs on the next quake due to it being rotated. If they would have agreed to split the Vulak loot they would have received 4 pieces of Vyemm loot and 3 pieces of Vulak loot. Instead they lost 3 pieces of loot for their members for refusing to work anything out.

People in this thread stated that Vyemm loot is garbage, but I garuntee there are plenty of Tempest members who would have loved to snag Vyemm loot. Maybe their top members don't care about Vyemm loot but I'm sure they have a ton of regular members who would greatly benefit from that loot.

This a million times this its like I tell the AM leadership when they dont go for Sevalak "his loot sucks, I told them it might be suck to you but it may not be suck to other people I know apps and other people would love to have that loot. But he drops Crap loot we dont go for him sad

[Kluwen2]

after this next repop yea boy!

Ahhh shit, might have to come out of retirement for this shit show! Sirk bring back foot races!

[arcanon]

This a million times this its like I tell the AM leadership when they dont go for Sevalak "his loot sucks, I told them it might be suck to you but it may not be suck to other people I know apps and other people would love to have that loot. But he drops Crap loot we dont go for him sad

if you actually raided/played again maybe someone would listen to your opinion

[arcanon]

Ahhh shit, might have to come out of retirement for this shit show! Sirk bring back foot races!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4eScf6TMaM

[Phenyo]

Ahhh shit, might have to come out of retirement for this shit show! Sirk bring back foot races!

Wouldn't touch you with a borrowed dick after kluwengate

[Senescant]

after this next repop yea boy!

What about the secret dispute resolution council?