2 and 1/5 Month Raid Ban

[Ghostly]

Bye Bye, Core.

[Baler]

Chortle

[Ella`Ella]

I used to find lengthy raid band hilarious. Now, I just find them devastating to a server with and already declining population.

[Mead]

I've said it before, but is this really a punishment?

[Nexii]

Idk. I wouldn't mind some vacation time off. I've mentioned it in like every other story.

[deezy]

I have no words

[Ella`Ella]

I used to find lengthy raid bans hilarious. Now, I just find them devastating to a server with an already declining population.

Fixt - autocorrect fucked me

[Foxplay]

A raid ban so long they can level some more 60s!

[Cecily]

I think we all learned a valuable lesson.

[deezy]

TIL do not give other people my account information.

[Baler]

TIL do not give other people my account information.

Not when AM had over 100 accounts banned for ***? :)

[Ravager]

Serious business.

[Ghostly]

What zone did Lazy actually go into, and did he kill a raid mob?

[Cecily]

Sky and was helping some random BG Monk with the monk epic mob up there.

https://i.imgur.com/zCNfAvm.gif

[Ghostly]

Sooo, didn't do any raid content? Got it.

[Baler]

Sky and was helping some random BG Monk with the monk epic mob up there.
https://i.imgur.com/Db32TD6.gif

[Dolalin]

It's gotta be a really simple SQL query to figure out if a raid banned guildmember has been in a raid banned zone during a raid ban. I don't understand why people even risk this shit.

[Foxplay]

Sky and was helping some random BG Monk with the monk epic mob up there.

I'm confused and wonder if there is some more clarification on the rules of (No-go or Strictly Raid-zones) As many zones that are mostly used for other purposes also have a raid spawn or a couple in them, as well as other raid or planar zones having other things in them other than strictly raiding

Karnor's Castle - (Venril Sathir / VSR) Yet the rest of the zone is all just used for exp groups

Sebilis - (Trak) Rest of the huge zone is all exp and named camps

Velk's Lab - (Velkator) Rest of zone is just exp and solo camps

Dragon Necropolis - (Zlandicar / Viniki ) Rest of Zone small group to single group stuff

Kael Drakkel - (Tormax, Statue, AoW, Vindi) Rest is small group content, heck can 3man Arena

Plane of Sky - Mostly a raid zone , Gwan key's can be vendor purchased and doesn't interfere with the raid timers, Enchanter book pickup (any other quest turn in's / pickups?)

Dreadland's - (Gorenaire) Big zone lots of connections, used for lower lvl exp

EJ - (Sev) Zone connects, port spot, can also be used for exp

Sol-B / Permafrost - (Naggy / Vox) both zones can be used to exp 50+

Skyshrine - (Lord Yelinak) Exp zone and RobeQuest for Giant factioned pplz

Cobalt Scar - (Fish dragon) Exp zone, port location

I guess what I'm saying is there is a lot of zones that have raid targets in them that you cant really.... avoid, and some "raid zones" that have stuff to do in them that isn't really raiding so just wondering if there is an official list for clarification

[Hyjalx]

Keep banning entire guilds for several months, Sirken.
I have supported you for years man, but you are out of touch on this one.

What benefit does it have on a time locked Everquest server to ban guilds of players who may never return? This benefits nobody. Could be AM or Tempest or Core. It doesnt matter.

This is starting to look like blatant targeting on a specific group of players. In the end, the only person this falls on is you and your legacy.

For all the good you have done here you are starting to look like the micromanaging/targeting GM. Where is the mercy?



Just disband the guild already and get it over with. This passive aggressive approach will eventually erode the player base and whatever faith is left in the staff.

Uthgaard, we miss you.

[aaezil]

tempest logging into core chars and probably vice versa sounds like trying to get around raid rules to me

[justaddwater5]

As extra punishment all of our officers accounts were suspended, even poor Gatmanno who is just officer tagged to do invites for us. (He's a druid)


Wait so no one can update the guild MOTD to keep members updated on whats going on or remove anyone from guild, even if there is a need to?

[Erati]

I've now been suspended for 181 days in 2018. I don't think I'm that bad of a person and do my best to follow server rules while trying to help the community, so this one has been especially disheartening.

I'll still be around because i must be a glutton for punishment.

This is staggering. 'Punishing' people for Everquest mistakes with nearly an entire half a calendar year of 'time off' is not what I'd even imagine be in the realm of possibilities on Project1999.

Non-Core members triggering Core raid extensions is beyond my comprehension of understanding. We're all human here, communication is a key fabric of our society and without it, chaos.

[Baler]

Core was made an example.
Don't fuck around with raid rules, Everyone in your guild is responsible.
The staff have been extremely clear on what is and what is not allowed.

If there are players in core that can't handle that they should get kicked from the guild otherwise this shit won't stop. The officers need to balls up and start dishing out punishments or guild kicks.

And yes I've tasted your salty tears about tempest. :rolleyes:
They'll get what's coming to them.

[Hyjalx]

Chaos it is. This is a mess.

[DromalPhrenia]

This is really sad, sounds like a simple and inconsequential mistake was made and a 30 day extension + officer suspension feels very disproportionate. Especially if the prior extensions were really due to people logging into long-abandoned accounts solely to damage the guild.

<Core> members have always been extremely kind and cool to me, I posted an example of that on their guild recruitment page after they gave me a very expensive spell for free just because it dropped and I needed it (I wasn't even present for the kill, I had just lamented the cost of the spell to a Core member privately). I'm not even in their guild! I've also met a few others who have basically been handed their epic by <Core>, one of whom I met because a Core member asked him to rez my corpse and he explained he feels indebted to them because they handed him a Ragefire pearl.

I could understand this a bit better if they were habitually training competing raids, scamming people, RMTing, etc. but they've always been kind and helpful in my experience and it sucks that they're locked out of so much content over technicalities.

[DromalPhrenia]

Whoops, meant to say Ragefire HEART, not PEARL. The thing he drops for epic, not the thing to spawn him :p

[Check12345]

Told this story to my co worker who still plays on live. I should have taken a picture of his face. He was completely baffled, and intrigued at the same time.

[Baler]

Per usual Baler is out of touch with reality.

Wrong account ;)

[Baler]

Thank you for the suggestion, but no thank you.

Thinking you can police what every member does at any given time is unrealistic.

I'd rather not be in a guild than lead a guild in the way you're describing. I may be nearly permanently suspended but I value friendship more than pixels.

Go watch sirkens latest stream. He talks about the same exact shit I put in that post.
I'm not lieing or exaggerating.

[kjs86z]

Punishment seems way out of proportion.

I mean...really? Helping a monk do a part of his epic quest?

I agree with the perception of "core people are kind and helpful." Have been a benefactor of that myself. Just look at Franswa. That guy is one of the classiest, most generous players on P99.

I don't understand why the staff has it out for these guys.

[Hyjalx]

When this server first started we relied on donations to keep the server running. It was heavily DDOS'd (sometimes weeks at a time). This community banded together and the staff banded with us to keep it going. At one point this project was struggling to even continue.

When the clicks and donations start to disapear, and people start to make the conscious decision not to play here... Will this all be worth it?

Are we all gonna cry, but rules are rules? Could we have done something different?

Staff members should NOT be in guild affairs and on skype speed dial.

Because this is what we get.

[Baler]

lol hyjal

Is the sky falling duder?

Will we find you out in the street wielding a mace?

[Cecily]

Told this story to my co worker who still plays on live. I should have taken a picture of his face. He was completely baffled, and intrigued at the same time.

To be fair you could get the same reaction telling him about how we’ve been raiding here. Socking spawns. Tracking 16-72 hour windows. FTE races line ups for 16 hours with 20+ people. Anyone who participates here is dong so out of pure addiction and sunk cost.

[deezy]

Time to make <Definitely Not Core>

[Erati]

It wasn't even safe to go to a Howling Stones for a simple EXP adventure bc it was certain the server would be DDOS'd at some point every night causing you to wipe and have to CR a day later.

https://i.imgur.com/aNNfzAD.png

[Wonkie]

free Gatmanno, let the rest rot

[tesaria]

The first extensions for <Core> was from Liia of <Tempest> logging onto Satifiability and taking him to hate. This was a very confusing as to why it was upheld even with livestream evidence showing the entire events. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/301935559 2:57:00 into stream. The second extension was from a random non-Core member logging into Speedi's long inactive account, IP's should prove as such. This last one is a genuine mistake from a member trying to be a helpful p99 citizen with non-raid content.

[Check12345]

To be fair you could get the same reaction telling him about how we’ve been raiding here. Socking spawns. Tracking 16-72 hour windows. FTE races line ups for 16 hours with 20+ people. Anyone who participates here is dong so out of pure addiction and sunk cost.

Yep! He has played since live launched and it's like I am telling a BS fairy tale when I describe the p99 endgame to him.

[kjs86z]

The first extensions for <Core> was from Liia of <Tempest> logging onto Satifiability and taking him to hate. This was a very confusing as to why it was upheld even with livestream evidence showing the entire events. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/301935559 2:57:00 into stream. The second extension was from a random non-Core member logging into Speedi's long inactive account, IP's should prove as such. This last one is a genuine mistake from a member trying to be a helpful p99 citizen with non-raid content.

Straight up cringe-worthy on the punisher side of the equation if true.

[Senescant]

Straight up cringe-worthy on the punisher side of the equation if true.

It’s quite true.

[Jimjam]

Sky and was helping some random BG Monk with the monk epic mob up there.

From my understanding isle 1 and 1.5 don't fall under raid agreements, which is why Sirfloppy was permitted to take so many Efreeti?

I remember him once accuse us from stealing one of his rots (Weight of the Gods) that he wanted to sell rights to. We were farming Spiroc Lord at the time, and he had just left his corpse timer to tick too long.

I mean (falsely) threatening to petition over a WotG while he was invading sky on another guild's slot. Was pretty hilarious.

[Cecily]

Yep! He has played since live launched and it's like I am telling a BS fairy tale when I describe the p99 endgame to him.

P99 truly is a magical kingdom.

[Ella`Ella]

LMAO just p99 things

if you guys aren't in the upper echelons of the server making actual IRL $$$ (aka the cool kid's club) you are being hosed

I think if P99 were actually a money-maker, staff would approach it with a very different business sense...

[Jimjam]

mad double post:
I now see 1.5 doesn't count as raid mobs but it still counts as raid zone.

[Jan Jensen]

From this point forward we will be actively enforcing the spirit of these rules more so than the exact letter of the law.

Should change that.

[Docx]

Let me get this straight, a simple IP search would show that a NON core member logged into a core member tagged character and it gave core an extended raid ban? This could be very, very easily abused if that’s the case and something we should avoid at all costs...

Also there is the spirit of the rule vs letter of the law. If the monk was core I could see it being upheld, if the monk is some random getting help by some good guys, come on...

[Siberious]

Good luck policing every guild member ever when people take breaks weeks/months at a time, and pay various amounts of attention to things. Just ban the individual member for 7 days whenever they violate the rule if you want to be so extreme about it. Then they'll be forced to ask guild/read rules during their ban and learn. Banning an entire guild for 30 days for someone zoning into a raid zone and killing a minor non-raid target blows my mind. Then again raid scene is already crazy extreme, might as well double down on the craziness, can't go wrong doing that.

[Erati]

Let me get this straight, a simple IP search would show that a NON core member logged into a core member tagged character and it gave core an extended raid ban? This could be very, very easily abused if that’s the case and something we should avoid at all costs...


You are correct. What's crazy is this happened twice both resulting in non-rescinded suspension extensions for <Core>. ( they were appealed obviously but to no success )

[tesaria]

Yes Staff are aware for the first 2 extensions that a <Tempest> member for the first and a Random player not affiliated with Core for the second logged into inactive <Core> accounts.

[Ella`Ella]

Until you stop logging in, nothing will change...

[Docx]

You are correct. What's crazy is this happened twice both resulting in non-rescinded suspension extensions for <Core>. ( they were appealed obviously but to no success )

I know I’m super casual now and don’t keep up with much of anything anymore, but common sense has to be taken into account. Am I being told that because I l have access to a ranger tracker in fear tagged tempest, I could log onto that character and cause a guild I have no affiliation with an extension on a future ban they will inevitably receive? Really?

[skarlorn]

Until you stop logging in, nothing will change...

[tesaria]

I know I’m super casual now and don’t keep up with much of anything anymore, but common sense has to be taken into account. Am I being told that because I l have access to a ranger tracker in fear tagged tempest, I could log onto that character and cause a guild I have no affiliation with an extension on a future ban they will inevitably receive? Really?

By the current standard being held on <Core>, Yes. :)....Still waiting for those updated pulling standards for non stall/kite since pulling a raid mob directly to your camp and tanking it to death is now an offence.

[Ghostly]

So this most recent extension was so intense because there were 2 extensions prior to this and someone "needed to learn"... But the 2 extensions prior were caused by another guild blatantly trying to fuck over Core?

Makes sense.

I'm excited to see how many people get forum bans after this topic.

[Jimjam]

Until you stop logging in, nothing will change...

If you are implying things will change after we stop logging on then this simply is not supported by the evidence.

Project1999 players have widely taken this approach to the red server "and still I see no changes".

[Cecily]

If anything things have gotten worse since I stoped logging in.

[gredoo]

I used to find lengthy raid band hilarious. Now, I just find them devastating to a server with and already declining population.

Server population hasn't changed in more than a year. Still peeking at 1200 players every night. It's actually increased slightly compared to this time last year...

Red on the other hand is declining.

[aaezil]

Ouch ella way out of touch whats happened

[Rygar]

By the current standard being held on <Core>, Yes. :)....Still waiting for those updated pulling standards for non stall/kite since pulling a raid mob directly to your camp and tanking it to death is now an offence.

I was just thinking about this, people so focused on the extensions when the initial ban seemed questionable (i admittedly don't know full details, but almost everyone involved claimed it was legit and straight forward pull / kill. With video and logs ). I would like to hear details on the kite / stall evidence from staff, who knows, maybe some shenanigans we don't know about.

Meanwhile statue trains and vulak trains going down on other guild engages, haven't seen anything as a result.

I can honestly understand other 2 extensions... don't give out account info, period. Shared accounts will get you in trouble eventually. IP trace may not tell the whole story and I'm sure there could be some way to always cry foul on it and try to use it to weasel out of a suspension.

The PoA thing just looks confusing given 2 contradicting statements in the rules section, i think mercy should be shown for that and clean up the wording. Spirit of the rules and all.

[Zutizutzut]

So this most recent extension was so intense because there were 2 extensions prior to this and someone "needed to learn"... But the 2 extensions prior were caused by another guild blatantly trying to fuck over Core?

Makes sense.

I'm excited to see how many people get forum bans after this topic.

I don't think anyone in Core assumes that either non-guild member was trying to screw us over...even the Tempest member. In the Tempest members case, the toon they logged into wasn't even Core tagged the day they logged it in so they may not have been aware it would cause an issue.

[tesaria]

IP trace may not tell the whole story and I'm sure there could be some way to always cry foul on it and try to use it to weasel out of a suspension.


It was Live-Streamed on Twitch for 4 hours....https://www.twitch.tv/videos/301935559

[gredoo]

It's gotta be a really simple SQL query to figure out if a raid banned guildmember has been in a raid banned zone during a raid ban. I don't understand why people even risk this shit.

Taking that further it shouldn't be overly difficult to flat out lock banned guilds from entering a zone. Obviously if they de tag, or use a alt that's another story and deserves a ban extension for circumventing the lock.

I can understand staff thinking this shouldn't be necessary considering it's not hard to like NOT enter a zone. You literally just like don't go there?

[Tupakk]

I know I’m super casual now and don’t keep up with much of anything anymore, but common sense has to be taken into account. Am I being told that because I l have access to a ranger tracker in fear tagged tempest, I could log onto that character and cause a guild I have no affiliation with an extension on a future ban they will inevitably receive? Really?

Common sense is a joke here.

I bet if you logged in the ranger nothing would happen.

They have a hard on for Core. It’s clear they don’t want them around.

It’s sad really.

[Baler]

Core is some former AW and another group right?

So you want me to feel sorry for a group of people who have been rabble rousing p99 for years? gtfo

[REMEZ]

And I quote

"Be careful what you do with Core. They are going to get popped, its just a matter of time, and if youre there when they fuck up, your getting popped too"

[Ella`Ella]

If you are implying things will change after we stop logging on then this simply is not supported by the evidence.

Project1999 players have widely taken this approach to the red server "and still I see no changes".

I don't think using the red server serves as appropriate evidence - red server was never a traffic driver to these forums or to the project in general.

If blue's average nightly population is ~1200 as someone above me claims, then suddenly drops to ~600 over the next few months and a bulk of those exiting players cite heavy-handed abuse from staff as the reason, it would be reasonable to expect Admins to change up their staff or policies.

But then again, nothing on P99 reflects any semblance of reason, so...

[Ella`Ella]

Ouch ella way out of touch whats happened

Life, sadly.

[Tupakk]

I don't think using the red server serves as appropriate evidence - red server was never a traffic driver to these forums or to the project in general.

If blue's average nightly population is ~1200 as someone above me claims, then suddenly drops to ~600 over the next few months and a bulk of those exiting players cite heavy-handed abuse from staff as the reason, it would be reasonable to expect Admins to change up their staff or policies.

But then again, nothing on P99 reflects any semblance of reason, so...

It hits 1200 with bots and boxers.

I’d say single box is in the high 900s

[Baler]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299
You are responsible for the people you let onto your account. Disciplinary action may be enacted upon your account even if you yourself were not responsible for any rule breaking. Do not share account info if you are not ready to deal with the consequences of someone else's actions.

[gredoo]

Taking that further it shouldn't be overly difficult to flat out lock banned guilds from entering a zone. Obviously if they de tag, or use a alt that's another story and deserves a ban extension for circumventing the lock.

I can understand staff thinking this shouldn't be necessary considering it's not hard to like NOT enter a zone. You literally just like don't go there?

Well I didn't read far enough - guy was helping and thought he was in the clear (but probably should have clarified with staff or someone knowledgeable before doing this)

On the logging into another character, i'm pretty sure the rules say something along the lines of you're responsible for the people you give your password to. I dunno what they say about the actual person who did that - they may have got a account ban?

----

That said core people have always been nice and lots of fun to play with.

[Erati]

Disciplinary action may be enacted upon your account even if you yourself were not responsible for any rule breaking.

Does not infer larger guild wide punishments for rules broken on borrowed accounts and from what we have seen in the past are all done case by case basis. ( see Hyjal v Aftermath v Vulak )

[gredoo]

It hits 1200 with bots and boxers.

I’d say single box is in the high 900s

Got any proof to back up that claim?

[Tupakk]

Disciplinary action may be enacted upon your account even if you yourself were not responsible for any rule breaking.

Does not infer larger guild wide punishments for rules broken on borrowed accounts and from what we have seen in the past are all done case by case basis. ( see Hyjal v Aftermath v Vulak )

Everything is case by case. With feelings clearly attached.

Assimilate or get fucked.

[Baler]

Disciplinary action may be enacted upon your account even if you yourself were not responsible for any rule breaking.

Does not infer larger guild wide punishments for rules broken on borrowed accounts and from what we have seen in the past are all done case by case basis. ( see Hyjal v Aftermath v Vulak )

If you are in a guild on that account you are subject to raid/guild server rules with that account. Regardless of who is playing on it.
This is true and can be proven due to the fact that people can't raid under a different guild tag while on a raid suspension. It's attached to you, your account and the guild you are in on that account.

It's YOUR responsibility not to let this happen. Don't boohoo and try to point at tempest for your lack of account security.

https://i.imgur.com/XuTSIap.gif

[Foxplay]

I can honestly understand other 2 extensions... don't give out account info, period. Shared accounts will get you in trouble eventually. IP trace may not tell the whole story and I'm sure there could be some way to always cry foul on it and try to use it to weasel out of a suspension.

This.

To expect the small server staff to play detective and track down the PERSON and not the CHARACTER is quite a lot to ask. You are still responsible for actions of your characters if you give out your login information. Is it possible? Yes IP traces and probably more that I don't have a full understanding of exist, but it's just more work and steps the GM's would have to deal with which is pretty unfair to hold them against.

[Cecily]

Disciplinary action may be enacted upon your account even if you yourself were not responsible for any rule breaking.

Does not infer larger guild wide punishments for rules broken on borrowed accounts and from what we have seen in the past are all done case by case basis. ( see Hyjal v Aftermath v Vulak )

Maybe I didn’t read the fine print when I asked you if it was ok for me to mess with Chardok AE.

[Tupakk]

Got any proof to back up that claim?

When you are at server select remember that number.

Then go in game and do /who all count (actual count of players)

Then goto EC and ping everyone standing still 1/3rd are bots

Another 1/3 is boxing

And the last is actually selling.

It’s rather obvious.

Maybe 1% of the boxers actually play the toons while they do it. Ballsy but doable.

[Erati]

It's YOUR responsibility not to let this happen. Don't boohoo and try to point at tempest for your lack of account security.



No boo-hoo ing here Tempest did nothing wrong that triggered Core's extension, they were simply playing Everquest.

I was just pointing out that its the account holders responsibility to eat punishments for rules broken on their accounts not a group that is unknowingly associated with ced rule breaking as its been handled in the past. My example of Hyjal v AM v Vulak was a situation where Hyjal logged in an AM account to train AM during a Vulak attempt and after proving the facts he was individually suspended and AW was not held responsible for the train.

Case by case - do you know what this means? :)

[Baler]

Baler is the kid who would rat someone out for smoking in the bathroom.

We get the rules Baler, quit repeating them. The adults are trying to have a nuanced conversation. Sit, listen and learn while we work through this.

You're exposing yourself pretty openly today.
Guess all that time spent avoiding me on this 'dad' account really got to you. :rolleyes:

[isiah]

Man, if RNF wasnt so heavily moderated, some great and juicy stuff could be posted regarding these issues.

I have no words at this point.

[Jimjam]

Taking that further it shouldn't be overly difficult to flat out lock banned guilds from entering a zone. Obviously if they de tag, or use a alt that's another story and deserves a ban extension for circumventing the lock.

I can understand staff thinking this shouldn't be necessary considering it's not hard to like NOT enter a zone. You literally just like don't go there?

Not true, I could easily port Core to PoSky with my insta click necklace.

It would only cost like 55 platinum.

[Arkanjil]

Until you stop logging in, nothing will change...

Nothing will change either way :P

[kaev]

Fixt - autocorrect fucked me

I preferred raid band. Fix your cats people, let your posts live free!

[Baler]

If Core all went over to RED they could do what ever they wanted. But I mean hanging out on blue is cool, I guess.

[Jimjam]

Pretty sure they would earn another extension for that :D:(:mad::D:(:mad::confused:

[Phenyl]

rip in piece

[Schaduwridder]

No raid bans happening on red, all mobs accounted for

"Every boss in the game is up right now"

including ring 8 mob and scout + lodizal

Hope this helps

[Ghostly]

I understand the whole "you're responsible for who logs onto your account" but faulting a whole guild? It says the person who owns the account is responsible, not the guild. So ban the account and stop screwing with the guild.

Not to mention it was 2 inactive accounts. Do you honestly think Core was thinking "oh, someone might log on those 2 inactive toons and get us in more trouble!!"?

[gredoo]

Then goto EC and ping everyone standing still 1/3rd are bots


Or afk?


Another 1/3 is boxing


Again proof?


And the last is actually selling.

It’s rather obvious.

Maybe 1% of the boxers actually play the toons while they do it. Ballsy but doable.

It's not rather obvious because AFK != bot or boxing.

[Tupakk]

Or afk?



Again proof?



It's not rather obvious because AFK != bot or boxing.



You would be surprised.

[gredoo]

You would be surprised.

I'm not disagreeing, just pointing out you haven't actually provided any proof other than "I think it's like that"

[Tupakk]

Stop following the way of having no common sense.

Obvious is obvious with or without proof

[Ella`Ella]

I understand the whole "you're responsible for who logs onto your account" but faulting a whole guild? It says the person who owns the account is responsible, not the guild. So ban the account and stop screwing with the guild.

Not to mention it was 2 inactive accounts. Do you honestly think Core was thinking "oh, someone might log on those 2 inactive toons and get us in more trouble!!"?

If anyone thinks this is the actual reason <Core> is being systematically dismantled, they aren't paying attention.

[Ghostly]

What’s the reason? Feels like everyone knows but no one is willing to speak frankly.

Fear of being Nuked.

[Bordsythenewb]

Whatever happened to holding the individual responsible

[Tupakk]

What’s the reason? Feels like everyone knows but no one is willing to speak frankly.

They didn’t like the split. They wanted to keep the top guilds to a minimum so there wouldn’t be as many petitions.


Keeping one guild perma banned show how they will handle other guilds


Server is maintained in a fear environment.

Get out while you can.

[Baler]

What's the real story behind the Core ban!

Find out, tonight at 11!

[Jauna]

Stop breaking the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J548XM9-jKU

[Jauna]

Whatever happened to holding the individual responsible

Too vague and easily corruptable. Not sure how Core leadership is handling the individuals but meh

[Foxplay]

Get out while you can.

I'm quite happy leveling up more 60s thank you very much =3!

[Tupakk]

I'm quite happy leveling up more 60s thank you very much =3!

Sure it’s fun. Til you want to experience content.

And being subjected to over exaggerated feeling induced rules. Because one person broke the rules 5 years ago.

Maybe when 2.0 comes out and forces green I might do more than what I do but til then I will run my stuff from behind the scenes and play on a server where this kind of shit just doesn’t happen on a daily basis.

[Baler]

Tupakk I have not seen you post this frigin much in a few months...
You got a core in your pocket bud?

[Zutizutzut]

I understand the whole "you're responsible for who logs onto your account" but faulting a whole guild? It says the person who owns the account is responsible, not the guild. So ban the account and stop screwing with the guild.

Not to mention it was 2 inactive accounts. Do you honestly think Core was thinking "oh, someone might log on those 2 inactive toons and get us in more trouble!!"?

Not to mention that once you are initially suspended, you can't do anything to prevent this from happening since gkicking a member that is known to share accounts would still get you a suspension because the account was in the guild at the time of the suspension. Note this holds true for at least the first extension which was removed from the guild before the day the Tempest member took it to sky.

[Cecily]

Too vague and easily corruptable. Not sure how Core leadership is handling the individuals but meh

I’m sure they’ll give them all thorough tongue lashing in /gu once they can log in.

[shuklak]

Maybe if we all just followed the rules we would be fine.

[Baler]

I presume the officers got locked out to investigate them and all account activity....

[Gimp]

Man, if RNF wasnt so heavily moderated, some great and juicy stuff could be posted regarding these issues.

I have no words at this point.

Post away breh

[Legday]

Who is Core?

[Klubba the Oracle]

On lanys server, the GM's ended up deleting the whole top guild, and banning/suspending most of its members. So its not "omgomg this would never happen on live!!!!"
JUST SAYING :)

[gredoo]

Stop following the way of having no common sense.

Obvious is obvious with or without proof

.......... so no proof, not even anecdotal evidence.

It's not obvious people do this because I sit AFK not boxing or botting.

[isiah]

If anyone thinks this is the actual reason <Core> is being systematically dismantled, they aren't paying attention.

Tell the people what's really happening here Ella since you have a permanent get of jail card in terms of RNF bans.

[Cecily]

I mean it’s more subtle than screaming conspiracy at Rogaen, but it’s not that subtle.

[Baler]

Tell the people what's really happening here Ella since you have a permanent get of jail card in terms of RNF bans.

https://youtu.be/vHzIQDTjuSo?t=1m53s

:eek:

[Ella`Ella]

Who is Core?

Apparently they're a raid guild that doesn't really like to raid.

[isiah]

I'll pour one out for ya'll.

[Neetas1320]

On lanys server, the GM's ended up deleting the whole top guild, and banning/suspending most of its members. So its not "omgomg this would never happen on live!!!!"
JUST SAYING :)

Conquest lol. Didn't know you played on lanys<3

[Hyjalx]

As much as this upsets a lot of folks, myself included, Sirken undoubtedly cares about this server, and has put in an enormous amount of time making this the most classic EQ server available. He isn't taking a personal approach to these suspensions as much as some may believe. This server has a long history and the rules are a product of that history.


However, I do believe we are now at a crossroads, but this time on the type of punishment being levied and the over extending on player management.

I do hope after this thread the lines of communication can finally be opened. The community and the staff have a real opportunity to work together here.

It's still a game after all, and the staffs role in the community is just as important as the community itself.

We appreciate you guys (staff) and I hope we can come together as a community and fix this.

[Tupakk]

As much as this upsets a lot of folks, myself included, Sirken undoubtedly cares about this server, and has put in an enormous amount of time making this the most classic EQ server available. He isn't taking a personal approach to these suspensions as much as some may believe. This server has a long history and the rules are a product of that history.


However, I do believe we are now at a crossroads, but this time on the type of punishment being levied and the over extending on player management.

I do hope after this thread the lines of communication can finally be opened. The community and the staff have a real opportunity to work together here.

It's still a game after all, and the staffs role in the community is just as important as the community itself.

We appreciate you guys (staff) and I hope we can come together as a community and fix this.

Suck ass harder, what respect I had for you has finally gone away.

Please uninstall...

[fastboy21]

This is what happens when millennials are forced to actually follow directions and rules.

[Ravager]

It is worth pointing out that raiding here isn't the only thing in the world to do. Simply taking turns and finding something else to do with yourself while you wait your turn would eliminate bans and CSR involvement entirely.

[branamil]

Modern games make it so exploits and rules enforced by the games' code, not an elaborate laser beam dodging dance of rule entrapment. Unfortunately this game is ancient and about as well coded as minesweeper. Hope this helps

[Baler]

This is what happens when millennials are forced to actually follow directions and rules.

Never change fastbot21 you're great.

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/dXODorp.png

[isiah]

http://i.imgur.com/E1DCMhe.jpg

[Swish2]

https://i.imgur.com/69UJHGx.jpg

[Tupakk]

Dem rules clear as mud.

There response to that will be you went to island 1 first.

...

[Obeast44]

I feel for you guys Core, I really do. Hell, they've started telling guilds to leave TOV when certain other guilds are in zone....

[wagorf]

I don't think using the red server serves as appropriate evidence - red server was never a traffic driver to these forums or to the project in general.

If blue's average nightly population is ~1200 as someone above me claims, then suddenly drops to ~600 over the next few months and a bulk of those exiting players cite heavy-handed abuse from staff as the reason, it would be reasonable to expect Admins to change up their staff or policies.

But then again, nothing on P99 reflects any semblance of reason, so...

F that, so what if the peak drops to 600. So what if it drops to 300. This is a free server you are not paying shit to keep this going. Play it or leave it, the popularity of the server is none of your concern.

your stupid reasoning to expect change in rules cuz population drops, play on live and pay the fee, or stfu and follow the rules if you want to be cheap to play on free severs.

[d3r14k]

While the above is a pretty fuckin rude way to say it, I kind of agree. If people want to leave, there are plenty of other places to go. None of them are any good, but that's another conversation.

There is always going to be friction for the top end pixels whether there are 1400 players or 600 players at peak.

[Wonkie]

While the above is a pretty fuckin rude way to say it, I kind of agree. If people want to leave, there are plenty of other places to go. None of them are any good, but that's another conversation.

There is always going to be friction for the top end pixels whether there are 1400 players or 600 players at peak.

i agree, good things simply aren't possible.

[Bruno]

https://i.imgur.com/69UJHGx.jpg

Ironic since you’ve been banned for making a thread compiling every single rule for p99 mocking the gms. Or did you bird brain forget that?

[Bruno]

Your*

[Jimjam]

Dem rules clear as mud.

From what little I understand, I believe the ban was for attending a raid zone, not killing a raid mob.

Devil's advocate here.

[MilanderTruewield]

Well, I mean if the rules mention that Gwan is allowed during raid bans, then that particular extension should be lifted. Especially since you can't get to 1.5 without first going to isle 1..

[Klubba the Oracle]

While the above is a pretty fuckin rude way to say it, I kind of agree. If people want to leave, there are plenty of other places to go. None of them are any good, but that's another conversation.

There is always going to be friction for the top end pixels whether there are 1400 players or 600 players at peak.

You cant be very smart.

If the population is cut in half, your little guild will be making less than half now.

[d3r14k]

You cant be very smart.

If the population is cut in half, your little guild will be making less than half now.

You can't be very smart if you think there won't be some kind of restructuring if the population goes down to 600. There will always be competition, was my point. You can try to gleam whatever other assumptions you want out of that. Hope this clears things up for you.

[Ravager]

Like assisting random people with their epic fights?
Doing giveaways?
Randomly going to help groups in zones?
CR'ing randoms in HS?

Do this shit literally daily.
Close, but, I meant things more like golfing, fishing, taking your dog to the park, going to a museum, going to a concert, playing softball, playing basketball, going out to eat, seeing a movie, seeing a play, the list goes on, etc.

[Ghostly]

As much as this upsets a lot of folks, myself included, Sirken undoubtedly cares about this server, and has put in an enormous amount of time making this the most classic EQ server available. He isn't taking a personal approach to these suspensions as much as some may believe. This server has a long history and the rules are a product of that history.


However, I do believe we are now at a crossroads, but this time on the type of punishment being levied and the over extending on player management.

I do hope after this thread the lines of communication can finally be opened. The community and the staff have a real opportunity to work together here.

It's still a game after all, and the staffs role in the community is just as important as the community itself.

We appreciate you guys (staff) and I hope we can come together as a community and fix this.


Keep banning entire guilds for several months, Sirken.
I have supported you for years man, but you are out of touch on this one.

What benefit does it have on a time locked Everquest server to ban guilds of players who may never return? This benefits nobody. Could be AM or Tempest or Core. It doesnt matter.

This is starting to look like blatant targeting on a specific group of players. In the end, the only person this falls on is you and your legacy.

.......

[Klubba the Oracle]

You can't be very smart if you think there won't be some kind of restructuring if the population goes down to 600. There will always be competition, was my point. You can try to gleam whatever other assumptions you want out of that. Hope this clears things up for you.

OH REALLY I DIDNT KNO??
Cuz I didn't play when it was 600 people on this server, 7 years ago.

I was simply pointing out, there will be less people for you to port to make money off from :)

Besides, it sucks more being on the lower end at 600 population, not getting any loot.
Than having 600 more players in the same situation as you.

[Wonkie]

OH REALLY I DIDNT KNO??
Cuz I didn't play when it was 600 people on this server, 7 years ago.

I was simply pointing out, there will be less people for you to port to make money off from :)

Besides, it sucks more being on the lower end at 600 population, not getting any loot.
Than having 600 more players in the same situation as you.

no need to respond to him. he's just a dr00d.

[Jimjam]

Well, I mean if the rules mention that Gwan is allowed during raid bans, then that particular extension should be lifted. Especially since you can't get to 1.5 without first going to isle 1..

Do the rules mention Gwan is allowed during raid bans, or do they simply mention Gwan isn't a raid mob?

What is and isn't a raid mob actually is relevant to things other than raid bans, you know.

Still playing Devil's advocate, my deepest sympathies to Core. From your side of the story things do sound pretty … interesting (not wanting to staff bash here;)).

[mr_jon3s]

So what are all these addicts gonna do for 2 months? Get clean and become upstanding members of society? Or just get alts to lvl 60?

[Jauna]

So what are all these addicts gonna do for 2 months? Get clean and become upstanding members of society? Or just get alts to lvl 60?

use their other accounts with multiple 60s and raid on those in other guilds

[Cecily]

So what are all these addicts gonna do for 2 months? Get clean and become upstanding members of society? Or just get alts to lvl 60?

Good chance of either outcome depending on whether they continue playing during the break. I estimate it takes about a month to completely break from an EQ habit. That’s been the case for me since I was 17. You have to force yourself back into it. Because you... the people here. Right.

If they stay away and don’t have misguided feelings of true friendship towards electronic companions, yes they have a real shot a being productive citizens. This is all hypothetical, of course, but I’m currently testing the theory. Should take about same time to fix your life as it would to have a new lv60 raiding toon. Hard choice!

[Cecily]

Not that I’m necessarily suggesting that Core individuals have an unhealthy relationship to EQ compared to the two top (average BMI) raiding guilds on the server; however, from personal experience I can equate a casual EQ habit to how I imagine a causal meth habit would go.

[booter]

I do find it strange that staff felt that a 30 day suspension extension and personal suspensions on every officers account was an appropriate response.

This is some SAD SHIT boys. What a state P99 is in.

[Cecily]

1800 gold pieces.....2 pieces at a time.....times 5 clicks per turn in....= nine THOUSAND clicks on my mouse.

Took me from apprehensive to ally. So it still works. as of 10-17-04

Everquest: It’s kind of a bad game.

[Wonkie]

Everquest: It’s kind of a bad game.

[Jack N]

Careful questioning the GMs there fellas - you might get accused of "promoting RMT" and get your 2009 forum account nuked

[Hyjalx]

Yes, my initial reaction to this wasnt receptive. I havent liked these suspensions since day 1, and it's clearly coming to a head. We all see there is a problem. But we do need to work with Sirken here. We are all human. Sirken has known my feelings about this for quite some time. We have obviously had our disagreements over the years and this is one is no different.

Sirken is in the midst of a move. He is not ignoring the issue. Hopefully something can be worked on soon.

[arsenalpow]

Fair and balanced

[kaev]

Not that I’m necessarily suggesting that Core individuals have an unhealthy relationship to EQ compared to the two top (average BMI) raiding guilds on the server; however, from personal experience I can equate a casual EQ habit to how I imagine a causal meth habit would go.

Surely you're not pretending that your every post here doesn't reset the timer.

[Cecily]

Surely you're not pretending that your every post here doesn't reset the timer.

https://i.imgur.com/JJ48ipS.gif

https://i.imgur.com/X7Jom5T.gif

[kaev]

https://i.imgur.com/JJ48ipS.gif

https://i.imgur.com/X7Jom5T.gif

lol, well played

[shuklak]

Official 20th anniversary Tlp is coming soon for everyone taking a winter break.

[Dumluk]

All raid zones should be changed to unrestricted PvP zones to end all lawyer questing.

[Littlestgnome]

Good thing I saw this going on before I fired up my account. Another year of hibernation for me!

[Elerial]

I dont get it.

What difference does it make WHO logged on a Core tagged character during a raid ban and went to a raid zone?

If you are sharing your account, it has always been, always is and always will be the account owners responsibility if sonething untoward happens with the shared toons.

Solution is quite simple, either stop sharing accounts or share them with trusted people who wont fuck you up.

Lazy going to PoSky was a pretty dumb thing to do, all things considered. During a raid ban no less.

[tesaria]

I dont get it.
If you are sharing your account, it has always been, always is and always will be the account owners responsibility if sonething untoward happens with the shared toons.


You are wrong and should look into the Hyjal v. Aftermath case. Staff did not blame the random Aftermath shaman and his account sharing. They blamed Hyjal for logging into the account and doing harm to a competitors guild.

[Cecily]

I think it was 2 months before we could raid after the initial 30-day for Christmas. After our suspension, they raid suspended everyone till the abomination known as the class system was born from about a month of forced-at-gunpoint collaboration between people who absolutely hated each other, TMO, IB, BDA, and other unimportant guilds like Taken.

[Wonkie]

unimportant guilds like Taken.

hell truly hath no fury

[Ghostly]

I dont get it.

What difference does it make WHO logged on a Core tagged character during a raid ban and went to a raid zone?

If you are sharing your account, it has always been, always is and always will be the account owners responsibility if sonething untoward happens with the shared toons.

Solution is quite simple, either stop sharing accounts or share them with trusted people who wont fuck you up.

Lazy going to PoSky was a pretty dumb thing to do, all things considered. During a raid ban no less.

You are 100% correct. The account owner is 100% responsible for everyone who used their account and has the account info.

However, the guild should not be responsible for it. To extend the ban, and ultimately have that be a factor in every officer having their account suspended is ridiculous and abusive.

[Ghostly]

The only difference is the guilds involved. Franswa didn’t ask for tempest to be punished, just that Core not be punished for an action of a member of the guild who’s petition got Core suspended in the first place.

Why tempest isn’t held accountable for any of their wrongdoings, you’ll have to ask the people that make those decisions...

Tempest isn't being held responsible because Core has stated that it was an honest mistake and that they weren't trying to get Core in trouble. Whether that's true or not is debatable.

I'm not sure why a Tempest member would log onto an account that had been inactive for over a month to play a toon that before they logged on they had assumed was Core tagged, just to go to Hate. Sounds sketchy to me, but maybe i'm just nefarious.

[Gimp]

So anyone got the DL on why Sirken really hates Core so much? Looks like a lot of precedence getting broken with these suspensions. I mean, the video from Getsome was easily not a kite and about as clean of a pull as you could hope for. Someone really pissed in his cheerios.

[kaev]

I think it was 2 months before we could raid after the initial 30-day for Christmas. After our suspension, they raid suspended everyone till the abomination known as the class system was born from about a month of forced-at-gunpoint collaboration between people who absolutely hated each other, TMO, IB, BDA, and other unimportant guilds like Taken.

Those were the good old days!

[Elerial]

You are wrong and should look into the Hyjal v. Aftermath case. Staff did not blame the random Aftermath shaman and his account sharing. They blamed Hyjal for logging into the account and doing harm to a competitors guild.

I'm not a court litigator, so i don't *have* to look into anything. Besides, I'm not wrong.

All offenses are judged on a case by case basis. Staff rules at their discretion.
(Unless you've RMT'd, then you'll get a ban whether you earned 5$ or 5000swedish crowns)

I don't agree with suspending the entirety of Core's officers/leadership, but I didn't know about that until someone had pointed it out to me in private.

[Ella`Ella]

You are wrong and should look into the Hyjal v. Aftermath case. Staff did not blame the random Aftermath shaman and his account sharing. They blamed Hyjal for logging into the account and doing harm to a competitors guild.

Aftermath had better legal counsel.

[Nexii]

Aftermath had better legal counsel.

Is your retainer that high these days? :)

[kjs86z]

Oh man. I tried real hard. (https://pastebin.com/ZnkiE79N)

Teach me.

wow

[branamil]

Oh man. I tried real hard. (https://pastebin.com/ZnkiE79N)

Teach me.

Very discouraging if true

[justaddwater5]

Yikes.

[isiah]

lol.

[Roonskee]

Oh man. I tried real hard. (https://pastebin.com/ZnkiE79N)

Teach me.

:eek:

[Check12345]

Oh man. I tried real hard. (https://pastebin.com/ZnkiE79N)

Teach me.

biting my tongue and keystrokes

[Gimp]

Oh man. I tried real hard. (https://pastebin.com/ZnkiE79N)

Teach me.

wow

[Dallor]

Oh man. I tried real hard. (https://pastebin.com/ZnkiE79N)

Teach me.

Admittedly im bias. But is there really anyone out there who knows Franswa that thinks he would make this shit up? The dudes like the nicest, most helpful, friendliest person Ive seen on P99.

[AzzarTheGod]

sucka punch they gettin devasted

freestyle or the written

[Erati]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF2ayWcJfxo

[gundumbwing]

Just peeked in these forums after a 2 month ban from Sirken for calling him out for making knee-jerk reactions and not admitting he made a mistake when presented with factual evidence that proves otherwise and promptly fixing his mistake.

And I see this nonsense.

It's almost hilarious to see he is still doing this until you realise he's fucking up a few dozens peoples enjoyment because he feels he can't put at effort into being a GM anymore.

Dudes a cop nearing retirement that keeps arresting minorities for the sole reason of not giving a shit about the law anymore because he's dealt with it for too many years.

[Foxplay]

The Tempest member who you infer is Liia <Tempest>, logged his own monk on (Soapx). And with Getsome <Aftermath>, Jumbalaya <Aftermath>, Orna <Aftermath>, Mohini <Rustle>, and Ogee/Dellie <Rustle> went to plane of hate.

After a half hour or so, Bellringer, leader of Tempest tells Liia to not group with Aftermath people. So he logs his monk off, and logs on Satisfiability. Satisfiability is a monk owned by Unicity <Core>. Unicity retired from the game a month or longer earlier and hasn't answered on discord, or text messages since. Uni and Liia have been good friends for years.

They port Satisfiability up to hate. He has no guild tag (Noone knows when he was de-guilded, if it was on that day or earlier; and continue their little fun session killing random mobs and seeing if a named pops.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/302198032 From about 2:55:00 onwards.

No active or current member of <Core> was in plane of hate. No tagged member of core was in plane of hate. No-one from <Core> knew Satisfiability was being used in Hate.

Someone outside our guild using a retired character got us a suspension extension. And he feels terrible about it, as Liia is a super nice guy and great fun, generous, willing to help anyone etc. There was a post on the forums about him not 2 months ago thanking him for giving away a monk chardok staff on his enc Rosalye to a stranger.

So your question shouldn't be why Tempest logged on a core toon....The world isn't so nefarious. The question should be at what point did Core become liable for a suspension extension out of it?

Another suspension extension happenned when a random person from <Blood Guard> who is friends with Speedi <Core> logged on his cleric Kaledar <Core>, and gated him to Plane of Mischief to spend time rezzing people. Speedi has also quit the server for all intents and purposes and when we formed Core, tagged his toons so he could come chat on the very rare occasions he logs in for an hour to say hi (I've never seen him do it). Speedi's an old pal of some of us Core people from 5+yrs ago, so of course its super awesome to have him be able to pop his head in to familiar crowd if he felt the desire.

So Speedi gives access to his cleric to a buddy of his, presumably to be all nice and rez folks, or to make some plat rezzing folks. Who cares. Random <Blood Guard> guy doesnt know the ins and outs of raid suspension and probably doesnt even know Core is suspended. Likely he's entirely oblivious.

Core gets a suspension extension for his rezzing folks in PoM on a retired persons toon.

I'm at a loss for words.

Plane of Mischief is a Raid zone? since when? Not a single raid target (unless you count the unicorn) Yea its a "Plane" but its NOT a raid zone, its a retirement home for people who solo and fashionquesters

[Sirken]

Gonna say one thing, then closing this thread. Any one of you that is quoting Q26 is an idiot. Q23 clearly states what is off limits during a suspension. It's adorable how you nerds cherry pick things in your continued effort to play the victim card. Follow the rules or go play somewhere else, those are literally your only two options.

If the guild leader wants to further discuss this issue he can do so in the petition forum.