<Paradigm Shift> being shitty.

[Epyon]

https://i.imgur.com/6IK8vMH.png

For some context, that Poked guy showed up like a hour later. No GM's answered the petition that im aware of. The twats were rewarded with an the second spawn after Lokill left. I got one right after he did.

Everyone got pixels but ima still put PS on blast.

[Wonkie]

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[Phenyo]

'player made lists'; he can give the camp to whoever he wants. He does not have to give you the camp after he gets an idol.

Its 2018. Why are people berging over the magical statuette orc?

[Epyon]

'player made lists'; he can give the camp to whoever he wants. He does not have to give you the camp after he gets an idol.

Care to cite your sources?

[Vallaen]

He told you that retlon was next, it doesnt matter if he is not online or is offline unless the he got an idol.

[branamil]

Imagine caring this much about a level 20 orc in an obscure virtual simulation of a 1990s role playing game

[Epyon]

Imagine caring this much about a level 20 orc in an obscure virtual simulation of a 1990s role playing game


Says the guy browsing a rants and flames forum post about an obscure virtual simulation of a 1990s role playing game :rolleyes:

[Nexii]

OP in the wrong. Camp is owned by a group not dictated by player made lists

[Epyon]

OP in the wrong. Camp is owned by a group not dictated by player made lists

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1652719&postcount=9

Please share if you found a ruleing that overrides this.

[Vallaen]

well there is the part where he says

"The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next". Which he did which if he made you the next in line he would be in the wrong.

[Epyon]

Oh it was the idol camp. Because this affects Epyon's guilds (tempest my guess) ability to pull dragons and thus is raid interference, will core get a raid ban for this?

http://i.imgur.com/RxMqMSl.jpg

[Epyon]

well there is the part where he says

"The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next". Which he did which if he made you the next in line he would be in the wrong.

If that's the conclusion you came to after reading that... Well, Bravo...

[shuklak]

We must consult the Oracle.

[Csihar]

"The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand."

"The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp."

How does this lead you to conclude that the person needs to be in zone?

[Foxplay]

Sorry you didn't get a Shiny Brass Idol (https://wiki.project1999.com/Shiny_Brass_Idol)

[Ghostly]

If that's the conclusion you came to after reading that... Well, Bravo...

You were the next in line... AFTER his group. His group (Yougotpoked) was still there. You're wrong.

[Tuurin]

This is what "competing" looks like on P1999. smh

[ScaringChildren]

dusts off old lawyer books and clears throat

The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand.

From your screen shot, it's unclear if the current holder looted an idol, so this doesn't apply.

The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp.

According to your screen shot, the current camp holder was present at the spawn and the next person was on their way to take the camp.

The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next.

The camp holder told you he was handing it off to a guildmate. It ended up being an alt of the original recipient.

the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else

The rules clearly state, "someone else", as in another player. Not barring the use of an alt of the original recipient (see Barns v. the Estate of Unrest).

My Verdict: OP is both mentally and physically retarded.

[Ghostly]

My favorite part is that there was a whole other group there as well. So when he left, you still wouldn't even have had the camp, because they were already in the camp.

AND, you got an Idol in the end, so you literally came here just to try and ruin peoples reputation, and in turn, made yourself look like a moron.

[Epyon]

How does this lead you to conclude that the person needs to be in zone?

He wasnt in zone or online for almost an hour.

Sorry you didn't get a Shiny Brass Idol (https://wiki.project1999.com/Shiny_Brass_Idol)

You suck at reading comprehension.

You were the next in line... AFTER his group. His group (Yougotpoked) was still there. You're wrong.

He didn't have a group, It was some lame attempt to hold the camp.



My Verdict: OP is both mentally and physically retarded.


I'm playing p99 for fun, so ya im sure we are both on the spectrum.

The guy wasnt even online, then an hour later his "alt" shows up. I guess that context is lost becuase of timestamps not being in the screen shot, but that converstion was over the course of an hour.

My favorite part is that there was a whole other group there as well. So when he left, you still wouldn't even have had the camp, because they were already in the camp.

AND, you got an Idol in the end, so you literally came here just to try and ruin peoples reputation, and in turn, made yourself look like a moron.

Becuase you can hold multiable contested outdoor camps?

They ruin their reputation, I'm just trying to correct peoples perception.

You and me both buddy.

[Phenyo]

OP attempted to lawyer a camp with misinformation and threats whilst never having a rightful claim to the camp. 'Offending' party gave him the camp anyway to shut him up and he still decided to come to RnF hoping to garner support and besmirch paradiggums name.

Court of RnF finds OP guilty of being a petty loser. Filed under mad and or drugs.

[Baler]

great backfire thread OP

[gredoo]

this wouldn't happen on Rise of Zek

https://i.imgur.com/8qkuRaR.png

[ScaringChildren]

The guy wasnt even online, then an hour later his "alt" shows up. I guess that context is lost becuase of timestamps not being in the screen shot, but that converstion was over the course of an hour.


So what? That's perfectly fine if the current camp holder has not yet looted an idol from the named mob.

You'd have an argument if they guy was sitting there with an idol in his inventory.

But you didn't/don't know that.

[Schaduwridder]

when it spawns first one to kill it wins

[Thomacles]

RoZ has a healthy prime time [EST] average of 150-200.

Kunark launch soon, numbers will only continue to go up, check us out! :D




I did check it out. Made an Eru Nec. There were 17 people online at the time. Never been back since.

[misterbonkers]

you got what you were after even though you were in the wrong and still posted in rnf

the audacity

[deezy]

op you're wrong

[Pyrrhica]

great backfire thread OP

[rebeccablack]

tagged for lv 22 pixel orc drama

[Sadiki]

This thread has really changed the way I view Paradigm Shift. I request that PS works swiftly to restore my favor with them. I accept both money and pixels. Thank you

[Csihar]

He wasnt in zone or online for almost an hour.

But that's fine.

The rules you linked specify the person needs to be there for first placeholder after the first person has looted their item.
Nowhere does it state the person the person needs to be in zone or even online.

The rules even specifically mention the person taking over needing to be there on time for the first placeholder (which some leeway for being late) which indicates that the person doesn't need to be present at that particular camp. This can mean the person can be away from the zone and therefore out of the zone or even an a different character. Unless it was specifically specified they can't.

It's been this way for as long as I can remember. I've been in line with people and not been in the zone, I've camped a spawn and had other people on my list not be in zone. Very typical for AC spawn in OoT for example. I've never seen anyone interpret the rules as you do or complain about them.

Personally when I'm camping something I always make the suggestion for the person next in line to get on an alt to do something productive other than sitting around and to send me a tell from the character they're on so I can inform them.

I'm not trying to make fun of you and I genuinely suggest you re-read the rules you provided and see if the perspective offered by everyone else is indeed supported by those rules. It may save you some frustration in the future.

I don't see anything the PS person did that is shitty. It's allowed by the rules, very commonplace, accepted by GMs and the playing population at large and fair.

The rules ARE clear though about player made agreements. If they tell you you're next, you're next. They can not change their list.

[gredoo]

RoZ has a healthy prime time [EST] average of 150-200.

Interesting definition of healthy.

[ScaringChildren]

Interesting definition of healthy.

To be fair, I'd say half of those are actually real players and 50-100 of those maniacs probably feel like 1000 normal people.

Lord knows they weigh the same.

[branamil]

:so happy it's Friday! Going to get a drink after work. You have a good week?

:no. I'm extremely upset about vopuk shralok

:what's that?

:it's a level 20 orc in an obscure, private virtual elf world that spawns every 6 minutes. There was a long line of adventurers waiting their turn to slay him and it was taking too long.

:oh, you're still into that huh. Well lemme know if you can come to happy hour I guess.

[Phenyl]

lol

[Baylan295]

:so happy it's Friday! Going to get a drink after work. You have a good week?

:no. I'm extremely upset about vopuk shralok

:what's that?

:it's a level 20 orc in an obscure, private virtual elf world that spawns every 6 minutes. There was a long line of adventurers waiting their turn to slay him and it was taking too long.

:oh, you're still into that huh. Well lemme know if you can come to happy hour I guess.

It’s a 5 minute spawn. RIP

[Phenyo]

:so happy it's Friday! Going to get a drink after work. You have a good week?

:no. I'm extremely upset about vopuk shralok

:what's that?

:it's a level 20 orc in an obscure, private virtual elf world that spawns every 6 minutes. There was a long line of adventurers waiting their turn to slay him and it was taking too long.

:oh, you're still into that huh. Well lemme know if you can come to happy hour I guess.

smilin hard

[skarlorn]

"i'm extremely upset about vopuk shralok"

[Check12345]

https://i.imgur.com/6IK8vMH.png

For some context, that Poked guy showed up like a hour later. No GM's answered the petition that im aware of. The twats were rewarded with an the second spawn after Lokill left. I got one right after he did.

Everyone got pixels but ima still put PS on blast.

no one should have been rewarded with an

[Tethler]

People are lawyerquesting the highpass shralok camp? JFC

[Baler]

unreadable

:)

[aaezil]

Shralok roll every 6 mins player made agreement

[Swish2]

Shralok roll every 6 mins player made agreement

More rules <3

[imsorryGMs]

OP is a snitch.

[Baler]

More rules <3

😘 Hows red.

[Tethler]

Shralok roll every 6 mins player made agreement

Shit, I missed the poll.

[spoof2424]

this wouldn't happen on Rise of Zek

Please take your goosh to RoZ

[matticas]

finally a half decent backfire post...RnF on life support

[Senix]

yeah notice OP hasn't posted at all the last 2 pages. He found out he was wrong and is now embarrassed, as he should be ! He must have never tried to camp AC in OOT before. Lists and camp tradeoffs must be a new thing to him.

[24kanthony]

@Epyon
You deserve this
-Lokill

[fastboy21]

Its really not the OP's fault...the rules on camps are well established and you can't really expect a new player to know them without learning the hard way. most players don't read the rules, don't spend time on the forums, don't understand how petitions get worked out, etc...

the op is wrong. while it is intuitive in some sense to think that you are next for a camp merely by being present and waiting for the current person holding it to leave it just doesn't work that way on p99.

functionally, the person holding the camp can hand it to whomever he wants. yes, there are some rules that create some intermediary steps to that hand-off (and ways that you can fumble the hand-off), but at the end of the day thats pretty much how it will work.

if you want a camp that someone is holding you can ask who is next. the person holding the camp has to answer you with the truthful answer (no way to really prevent lying or sneakiness here). if they tell you you are next then you are...when they leave you own the camp and a GM will rule in your favor if you end up petitioning.

if they give you a name of someone else when you ask who is next then that player is the next camp holder. that player doesn't need to be in zone or online in order to be next on the list. when the player holding the camp is done this player is now the camp holder --- he will lose the right to the camp if the PH/NAMED spawns and is up for a short period of time --- usually 2 minutes, but I believe GMs have ruled variously depending on the camp, players, other variables that has made that reasonable time slightly flexible.

Now here is the part that is even more sketchy...the new player holding the camp can create a NEW LIST. the result is that unless that player specifically tells you you are next then you won't get the camp next.

at the end of the day the player holding the camp can functionally hand it to whomever he wants as long as he 1) doesn't "fumble" the hand off by dying, letting a PH sit up for a few minutes, etc or 2) being dishonest (lying about the item dropping, making a fake name up for who is next on the list, etc (but I really can't imagine how you enforce this as a player ---the most you can do is petition and let a GM check --- but the amount of time this would take for a player and wasted time for a GM is considerable).

there might be some heavy hitters that are worth petitioning (like someone corpsing jboot rings for days on end)...but short of that if someone wants to be a dick (and they know the rules) there isn't much you can do about it.