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Ashintar
08-06-2018, 03:10 PM
When you send a random tell to someone you've known forever, however have not spoken to in a long while... And it is answered by someone named CaptainCrunch (or some such) then you send a tell to the Mistress of Drama to complain about it and she is afk??
How many people prune their friends list on a regular basis? What awkward stories do you have about sending an old friend a "hello" only to be greeted by a rando playing their character?
Bboboo
08-06-2018, 03:17 PM
socializing on an elf sim
lol
maskedmelonpai
08-06-2018, 03:18 PM
it worse than this one?
You know when you are masturbating and that dead bird you hit with your car to make it dead pops in your head right before climax ruining it? Thats probably why, melon.
tryna cultivate a li'l empathy here, butt gosh you guys making it awfully difficult :c
Baler
08-06-2018, 03:22 PM
My friends list is never online.
:(
https://i.imgur.com/3vSZuCZ.gif
d3r14k
08-06-2018, 03:40 PM
My friends list is never online.
:(
https://i.imgur.com/3vSZuCZ.gif
I will be your friend Baler. And I won't even try to stuff your hand down my pants like some of these other deviants here would.
Cecily
08-06-2018, 03:42 PM
My RnF typos the second after I click sumbit.
Cecily
08-06-2018, 03:43 PM
tryna cultivate a li'l empathy here, butt gosh you guys making it awfully difficult :c
Cringing is just uncomfortable empathy. That post vicariously embarrassed me too.
Baler
08-06-2018, 03:44 PM
I will be your friend Baler. And I won't even try to stuff your hand down my pants like some of these other deviants here would.
Tell your guild leader I miss dueling him in rnf.
As far as friendship. Hard to believe. All my former Forumquest buddies have attempted to burn me to ashes. :(
Sonderbeast
08-06-2018, 03:47 PM
Worst feeling in the world is when you're just driving in your car, enjoying a nice summer day with your windows down. Then you see some homeless guy in the median, long beard, hair bleached by the sun, tan skin. Suddenly there the light ahead turns yellow. Panic. Should I speed through to avoid the awkwardness? Stop? You coast and miss the opportunity and end up stopping too quickly. He stares at you, a glimmer of hope in his eye, waves in your direction. Panic. Social anxiety. Compassion. Out of the corner of your eye you see that he mentions he was a vet. You see he's missing a limb. Don't make eye contact. Don't do it. He could get a job. Heck he probably makes more than me just sitting here on his ass... without a hand... sitting here without a shred of pride. Well, he will probably just use it for alcohol! Or Drugs! Yeah drugs! I'm not gonna help someone who might be a druggie ew! Drugs bad therefore drug addicts are bad. Then you realize that even if that were true, habitual addictions are nearly impossible to break without help. Recovery rate in the U.S. is one of the lowest in the western world, and there is a huge taboo against substance abusers in the U.S. which further exacerbates the issue. Your face has at this point gone from complete serenity of enjoyment from your day to a severe look of existential concern. You then realize that it doesn't matter what this man did, who he is, or what he's done. He is here asking for help, and if you ever had come to that point in your life you would greatly appreciate any help that is available. Just as you reach for a $5 the light turns green. Cars are behind you. You have to go. But you made a decision. But you have to go. It's too late. You couldn't make up your mind in time. You failed to help. A simple action of compassion and you failed. You continue your summer drive depressed and decide to take a shortcut hope instead of continue enjoying the summertime air.
shuklak
08-06-2018, 03:51 PM
Ban the homeless?
Ashintar
08-06-2018, 03:52 PM
I should have stipulated that only responses from accounts 2012 and older were wanted... the rest are trash.
Cecily
08-06-2018, 03:53 PM
I should have stipulated that only responses from accounts 2012 and older were wanted... the rest are trash.
That's really mean and accurate.
Wonkie
08-06-2018, 03:54 PM
i chased her away and now i feel bad. not like, guilty, i think im bored. :o
Cecily
08-06-2018, 03:55 PM
That's what happens when you're mean to people you play with.
Jauna
08-06-2018, 03:56 PM
The worst feeling I ever had on p99 is when I bought a suit of that dark elf chainmail. Ya know that racial stuff, chainmail look on casters and stuff?
When I put it all on it was dark fucking blue, almost black and looked horrible.
Took me like a week to resell and break even.
Ashintar
08-06-2018, 03:58 PM
Fingers crossed that I was the one who sold it to you?
Jauna
08-06-2018, 03:59 PM
Yes, it was like pre velious.
Danth
08-06-2018, 04:03 PM
What awkward stories do you have about sending an old friend a "hello" only to be greeted by a rando playing their character?
I don't consider this "awkward" so much as ordinary for P1999. Folks are generally pretty open about letting me know that soandso quit and donated his account(s) to his guild, or whatnot. Just found out about another one this past week, in fact.
There was one amusing case of a player who had quit quite a few years ago, and in the meantime the account's been passed around to god knows how much of the server...even I had its info at one point. Years later, the (supposedly) original guy logs back on and swears up and down only he ever had access to it. Told him I hoped he had changed his info.
Danth
Cecily
08-06-2018, 04:07 PM
Yes, it was like pre velious.
I literally just snickered involuntarily at your misfortune. Like an evil one too.
I'm actually not ok with this.
Jauna
08-06-2018, 04:09 PM
Oh the woes I felt of wanting to be a chainmail bikini caster blowing shit up with all the magic. Put my damn wizard on hold until Velious so I can have a non-robe look for it.
Aeaolena
08-06-2018, 04:51 PM
Worst feeling in the world is when you're just driving in your car, enjoying a nice summer day with your windows down. Then you see some homeless guy in the median, long beard, hair bleached by the sun, tan skin. Suddenly there the light ahead turns yellow. Panic. Should I speed through to avoid the awkwardness? Stop? You coast and miss the opportunity and end up stopping too quickly. He stares at you, a glimmer of hope in his eye, waves in your direction. Panic. Social anxiety. Compassion. Out of the corner of your eye you see that he mentions he was a vet. You see he's missing a limb. Don't make eye contact. Don't do it. He could get a job. Heck he probably makes more than me just sitting here on his ass... without a hand... sitting here without a shred of pride. Well, he will probably just use it for alcohol! Or Drugs! Yeah drugs! I'm not gonna help someone who might be a druggie ew! Drugs bad therefore drug addicts are bad. Then you realize that even if that were true, habitual addictions are nearly impossible to break without help. Recovery rate in the U.S. is one of the lowest in the western world, and there is a huge taboo against substance abusers in the U.S. which further exacerbates the issue. Your face has at this point gone from complete serenity of enjoyment from your day to a severe look of existential concern. You then realize that it doesn't matter what this man did, who he is, or what he's done. He is here asking for help, and if you ever had come to that point in your life you would greatly appreciate any help that is available. Just as you reach for a $5 the light turns green. Cars are behind you. You have to go. But you made a decision. But you have to go. It's too late. You couldn't make up your mind in time. You failed to help. A simple action of compassion and you failed. You continue your summer drive depressed and decide to take a shortcut hope instead of continue enjoying the summertime air.
Once gave a guy $30 who came up to me in a Chipotle parking lot at 8pm saying his wallet was stolen out of his car and he was just trying to buy some gas to get home to his wife, the police wouldn't help him. He had a military ID on him and a receipt from a local hospital where he said he was in town getting scans.
Two weeks later, the same guy comes up to my car, mid-afternoon, as I was about to pull out of a Target parking lot. Showed same Military ID and the same receipt (that had the date badly changed with a pen). Same exact story. Needed gas to get home to (insert town 40 minutes away).
Asking him if he remembered me and depressingly informing him I gave him $30 two weeks ago.. yeah, that feeling sucked.
LulzSect©
08-06-2018, 04:57 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/nyregion/metropolitan-diary-three-time-con.html
Dear Diary:
“Don’t worry. I’m gay, I’m not hitting on you.”
It was fall 2006 and a middle-age man with shaggy hair had stopped me at the corner of 48th Street and Madison Avenue. He looked familiar, but I couldn’t place him.
“I’m the costume director for ‘Sweeney Todd,’” he said. “Have you seen it? My car broke down. I forgot my wallet. I need twenty bucks for a cab to get Patti’s costume. Patti LuPone?”
As a native New Yorker, I was supposed to be worldly. At the age of 20, though, I was indiscriminately trusting, easily deceived by all manner of liars, cheaters and thieves. I opened my wallet.
“I’ll write you a check,” he said, taking down my information. “Did I spell your name right?”
The moment my money entered his palm, I knew I’d never see it again. Yet I said nothing. He slipped into the Midtown crowd, and I realized why he looked familiar: He had conned me a year earlier with a story about running out of gas.
For months, I seethed. It was only $20, but how could I have been so stupid? Not once, but twice. I imagined the insults I would shout if I encountered him again.
One drizzly evening several months later, a man approached me in the Village.
“Don’t worry,” he began. “I’m gay.”
I couldn’t believe it.
“You still owe me twenty bucks,” I said. All the condemnations I had imagined exploded from my mouth.
The man blanched and fled down Sixth Avenue. I didn’t stop yelling until he disappeared.
Years would pass before I understood why I attracted people who took advantage of me, and why I let them get away with it. But that night, I felt vindicated. That night, I used my voice.
I never saw him again.
Cecily
08-06-2018, 05:05 PM
"Years would pass before I understood why I attracted people who took advantage of me, and why I let them get away with it."
I'm a little mad the why didn't get discussed. I probably give away 40 bucks every time I visit a big city.
clevergirl
08-06-2018, 05:16 PM
I have no in game friends either. Not fucking kidding.
maskedmelon
08-06-2018, 05:19 PM
giving money to pan handlers is surrendering it to the racket of your misguided conscience. you're not helping them. you're simply buying yourself some peace of mind until the next time their random appearance thrusts once more the misery of their condition to the forefront of your mind. the truth is, you care neither enough to extricate them from their miserable state, nor even enough to relieve them of it. you only care that your forced to share in it for a few uncomfortable moments. if you want to help them, get them a job or a heavily conditioned place to stay ^^ giving them money might buy you temporary reprieve from a tyrranical conscience mad as it is demanding, but it only subsidizes their misery.
clevergirl
08-06-2018, 05:22 PM
giving money to pan handlers is surrendering it to the racket of your misguided conscience. you're not helping them. you're simply buying yourself some peace of mind until the next time their random appearance thrusts once more the misery of their condition to the forefront of your mind. the truth is, you care neither enough to extricate them from their miserable state, nor even enough to relieve them of it. you only care that your forced to share in it for a few uncomfortable moments. if you want to help them, get them a job or a heavily conditioned place to stay ^^ giving them money might buy you temporary reprieve from a tyrranical conscience mad as it is demanding, but it only subsidizes their misery.
I agree. Air conditioning is nice, not sure if it's exactly healthy though.
Wonkie
08-06-2018, 05:23 PM
giving money to pan handlers is surrendering it to the racket of your misguided conscience. you're not helping them. you're simply buying yourself some peace of mind until the next time their random appearance thrusts once more the misery of their condition to the forefront of your mind. the truth is, you care neither enough to extricate them from their miserable state, nor even enough to relieve them of it. you only care that your forced to share in it for a few uncomfortable moments. if you want to help them, get them a job or a heavily conditioned place to stay ^^ giving them money might buy you temporary reprieve from a tyrranical conscience mad as it is demanding, but it only subsidizes their misery.
charity is cruel
maskedmelon
08-06-2018, 05:25 PM
charity is cruel
that's not what im saying you goober ^^
Canelek
08-06-2018, 05:28 PM
Once gave a guy $30 who came up to me in a Chipotle parking lot at 8pm saying his wallet was stolen out of his car and he was just trying to buy some gas to get home to his wife, the police wouldn't help him. He had a military ID on him and a receipt from a local hospital where he said he was in town getting scans.
Two weeks later, the same guy comes up to my car, mid-afternoon, as I was about to pull out of a Target parking lot. Showed same Military ID and the same receipt (that had the date badly changed with a pen). Same exact story. Needed gas to get home to (insert town 40 minutes away).
Asking him if he remembered me and depressingly informing him I gave him $30 two weeks ago.. yeah, that feeling sucked.
Solid scam, but an old one. Bonus points for tears during the story.
I'm sympathetic to folks down on their luck, but when you have gaggles of street kids loitering on the streets of downtown when the weather turns nice, it toughens the heart a bit. It is sad how that brand of vagrant tourism bullshit causes folks to view folks with legit problems on the same level as street urchins.
clevergirl
08-06-2018, 05:28 PM
If I was a beggar I'd save and attempt to not be a beggar.
Problem is beggars can't save. They also get mugged and robbed. They typically can't get jobs either. May not even have ID or have some serious health problems. Yeah they can be scam artists, even those are just trying to make a living with maybe the only skill they have.
They just are. It's dumb to look down at them.
Wonkie
08-06-2018, 05:31 PM
that's not what im saying you goober ^^
its part of it. be precise in your speech and clean your room.
https://youtu.be/3Cpjn5kQFNs
clevergirl
08-06-2018, 05:33 PM
Wonkie mm wasn't being really mean. Want to clean my room?
Also I have it on good authority that maskedmelon is immaculate.
maskedmelon
08-06-2018, 05:47 PM
its part of it. be precise in your speech and clean your room.
https://youtu.be/3Cpjn5kQFNs
I think reckless is a better word. people aren't malevolent because they placate their conscience, but that doesn't mean their actions can't be destructive. and that in turn doesn't mean that they necessarily are destructive. compassion not tempered by reason is reckless and can very often yield negative results. understanding this is of paramount importance if you are a deeply empathic person and still relevant for most other people.
maskedmelon
08-06-2018, 05:50 PM
Wonkie mm wasn't being really mean. Want to clean my room?
Also I have it on good authority that maskedmelon is immaculate.
ty mae (o^^o) i am not though. i am just another goober in this gooberland lol.
Cecily
08-06-2018, 05:58 PM
giving money to pan handlers is surrendering it to the racket of your misguided conscience. you're not helping them. you're simply buying yourself some peace of mind until the next time their random appearance thrusts once more the misery of their condition to the forefront of your mind. the truth is, you care neither enough to extricate them from their miserable state, nor even enough to relieve them of it. you only care that your forced to share in it for a few uncomfortable moments. if you want to help them, get them a job or a heavily conditioned place to stay ^^ giving them money might buy you temporary reprieve from a tyrranical conscience mad as it is demanding, but it only subsidizes their misery.
Gonna try to force myself to get through this block of right wing word porn. Wish me luck.
maskedmelon
08-06-2018, 06:07 PM
Gonna try to force myself to get through this block of right wing word porn. Wish me luck.
lol ^o^ and you said you aren't reliably funny enough to write comedy (^.~) that post you quoted was a hammer and pokes was right to criticize it because it didn't do a good job of articulating my point. the follow-up does though (i think ^^;)
Wonkie
08-06-2018, 06:49 PM
lol ^o^ and you said you aren't reliably funny enough to write comedy (^.~) that post you quoted was a hammer and pokes was right to criticize it because it didn't do a good job of articulating my point. the follow-up does though (i think ^^;)
my melon lore isn't too good, but isn't death your usual suggested solution?:eek:
Cecily
08-06-2018, 07:02 PM
Thanks but I was only half kidding. I did manage to get through it. I could sense from a glance it was going to be difficult. The first few lines made me feel extremely uncomfortable and I can say without reservation that your views on this topic literally make my skin crawl. Suffice it to say our opinions on the matter differ.
Your paraphrased argument is that it's my duty to personally save someone if I'm going to bother helping them at all. That's a callous and impractical view of the nature of suffering which is both acute and chronic. I simply don't have the ability, free time, or resources to provide employment or housing for the guy begging for food on the street. I've tried but I've learned that I can't fix someone else's life. What I can do is share a portion of my limited resources to help alleviate some immediate suffering. That's always worthwhile.
clevergirl
08-06-2018, 07:40 PM
Thanks but I was only half kidding. I did manage to get through it. I could sense from a glance it was going to be difficult. The first few lines made me feel extremely uncomfortable and I can say without reservation that your views on this topic literally make my skin crawl. Suffice it to say our opinions on the matter differ.
Your paraphrased argument is that it's my duty to personally save someone if I'm going to bother helping them at all. That's a callous and impractical view of the nature of suffering which is both acute and chronic. I simply don't have the ability, free time, or resources to provide employment or housing for the guy begging for food on the street. I've tried but I've learned that I can't fix someone else's life. What I can do is share a portion of my limited resources to help alleviate some immediate suffering. That's always worthwhile.
Fair enough.
I don't help people though. I would if I could. Being unable to doesn't make me feel good.
Being able to help others does feel good. In and of itself I don't care to do it because it feels good. I do it because of why it feels good. And that's creating more humane universe.
If helping will hurt or harm I am always cautious. It's better to be strong not to bleed for that which we cannot improve. I've been harmed enough by well meaning people. Good intentions. And selflessness to know it's usually not worthwhile to dwell on it if I am not immediately able to remedy something.
It's probably better to buy them food. Or use the money to build shelters or public farms.
Cecily
08-06-2018, 07:48 PM
So tuna, hummus, big chunks of tomato, and a lot of pepper is pretty good.
clevergirl
08-06-2018, 07:52 PM
Agreed.
Jauna
08-06-2018, 07:55 PM
Huh it just dawned on me my sexdoll has a better life than some people.
Cecily
08-06-2018, 08:00 PM
Huh it just dawned on me my sexdoll has a better life than some people.
It could probably write better posts than you too.
clevergirl
08-06-2018, 08:00 PM
I'm pretty callous. I really probably can't help any of you. It's wrong of me to think I can. And probably liable of me to offer.
That doesn't mean I don't want that to change. I had to turn down helping someone ironically just before I jumped back into this thread.
The universe seems merciless and pitiless in its torment. It's wrong as hell to shame others for not helping.
clevergirl
08-06-2018, 08:05 PM
So perhaps despair. Or powerlessness. Is the worst feeling. Being unable. It fucking sucks.
Cecily
08-06-2018, 08:07 PM
I don't shame people. I judge them by my own moral compass and callousness is pretty gross. It's violates a core value of mine and I get nasty quickly when I see it. See our last fight.
Wonkie
08-06-2018, 08:11 PM
take tops off n wrassle
Jauna
08-06-2018, 08:12 PM
It could probably write better posts than you too.
I mean god damn, since I got it I been cleaning it gently, taking care of it, making sure it gets enough baby powder or baby oil. Bought it a few outfits from various video games. Has a roof over its head, its own closet to stay in.
Actually my pets also probably had a better life than most as well so all this isnt as shocking or revalationy as I thought.
LulzSect©
08-06-2018, 08:15 PM
existential concern
clevergirl
08-06-2018, 08:20 PM
I don't shame people. I judge them by my own moral compass and callousness is pretty gross. It's violates a core value of mine and I get nasty quickly when I see it. See our last fight.
I didn't accuse you of this. Directly.
Also I'm guilty as fucking charged. It's not about morality at this point for me.
Callousness is fucking terrible. Right above being powerless.
maskedmelon
08-06-2018, 09:41 PM
Thanks but I was only half kidding. I did manage to get through it. I could sense from a glance it was going to be difficult. The first few lines made me feel extremely uncomfortable and I can say without reservation that your views on this topic literally make my skin crawl. Suffice it to say our opinions on the matter differ.
I know you were and I think your reaction is appropriate. It means you are human ^^ the thing I have learned is that reason is indifferent to truth and not all truths are pleasant. Many, liek this one are depressing. Accepting a truth is not the same as embracing or reveling in it though.
Your paraphrased argument is that it's my duty to personally save someone if I'm going to bother helping them at all. That's a callous and impractical view of the nature of suffering which is both acute and chronic. I simply don't have the ability, free time, or resources to provide employment or housing for the guy begging for food on the street. I've tried but I've learned that I can't fix someone else's life. What I can do is share a portion of my limited resources to help alleviate some immediate suffering. That's always worthwhile.
That wasn't my argument ^^ (also wasn't directed at you, was in response to sonders post). my argument was that if you do not do enough to remedy the situation, or frequently enough to diminish it, then you are subsidizing it. This is where pokes gets frustrated as well and I don't blame him for it.
in the past, I've had trouble articulating why doing nothing is preferable when the result could be death, but it is a long the lines of why one should not have a child without the means to feed it. you don't have children when you dont know where your next meal will come from.
i believe suffering is fundamentally bad and an act may be known as wrong if it constitutes suffering. subsidizing it is therefore wrong.
Also, you make a super good point about being unable to fix other people's lives and that is another reason why providing intermittent subsidy is not good. We are the only ones who can save ourselves and generally we are only so inclined when we have no other choice.
maskedmelon
08-06-2018, 09:48 PM
Fair enough.
I don't help people though. I would if I could. Being unable to doesn't make me feel good.
Being able to help others does feel good. In and of itself I don't care to do it because it feels good. I do it because of why it feels good. And that's creating more humane universe.
If helping will hurt or harm I am always cautious. It's better to be strong not to bleed for that which we cannot improve. I've been harmed enough by well meaning people. Good intentions. And selflessness to know it's usually not worthwhile to dwell on it if I am not immediately able to remedy something.
It's probably better to buy them food. Or use the money to build shelters or public farms.
this post made a lotta sense ^^ though i don't think that it is selfless to ignore suffering. it is just more humane than propagating it. i don't see how the other posts followed this one though ^^ unless you were parodying me! :eek:
anyhoo, I gotta get to sleep. it's late for me.
nn all ^^/~
clevergirl
08-06-2018, 09:54 PM
this post made a lotta sense ^^ though i don't think that it is selfless to ignore suffering. it is just more humane than propagating it. i don't see how the other posts followed this one though ^^ unless you were parodying me! :eek:
anyhoo, I gotta get to sleep. it's late for me.
nn all ^^/~
Nope. I wasn't. Just attempting to digress. I think you are pretty smart. Your wordsmith is legendary. This isn't me being facetious.
Sorry it's hard to tell. Take care.
Worst feeling in the world is when you're just driving in your car, enjoying a nice summer day with your windows down. Then you see some homeless guy in the median, long beard, hair bleached by the sun, tan skin. Suddenly there the light ahead turns yellow. Panic. Should I speed through to avoid the awkwardness? Stop? You coast and miss the opportunity and end up stopping too quickly. He stares at you, a glimmer of hope in his eye, waves in your direction. Panic. Social anxiety. Compassion. Out of the corner of your eye you see that he mentions he was a vet. You see he's missing a limb. Don't make eye contact. Don't do it. He could get a job. Heck he probably makes more than me just sitting here on his ass... without a hand... sitting here without a shred of pride. Well, he will probably just use it for alcohol! Or Drugs! Yeah drugs! I'm not gonna help someone who might be a druggie ew! Drugs bad therefore drug addicts are bad. Then you realize that even if that were true, habitual addictions are nearly impossible to break without help. Recovery rate in the U.S. is one of the lowest in the western world, and there is a huge taboo against substance abusers in the U.S. which further exacerbates the issue. Your face has at this point gone from complete serenity of enjoyment from your day to a severe look of existential concern. You then realize that it doesn't matter what this man did, who he is, or what he's done. He is here asking for help, and if you ever had come to that point in your life you would greatly appreciate any help that is available. Just as you reach for a $5 the light turns green. Cars are behind you. You have to go. But you made a decision. But you have to go. It's too late. You couldn't make up your mind in time. You failed to help. A simple action of compassion and you failed. You continue your summer drive depressed and decide to take a shortcut hope instead of continue enjoying the summertime air.
Just to help the image of you driving. I assume your shirt was off and window rolled down...un-bathed, correct? I love that look on the local factory workers when spring break from winter.
Just to clarify, not calling you a factory worker - that was just a shout out to the locals in my area haha.
maskedmelon
08-06-2018, 10:05 PM
Nope. I wasn't. Just attempting to digress. I think you are pretty smart. Your wordsmith is legendary. This isn't me being facetious.
Sorry it's hard to tell. Take care.
I just meant that I didn't see how you would see yourself as callous when everything else you wrote speaks contrary to it. Even if you have or do react in one way or another, the fact that you recognize it and reject it means you care ^^ you honestly seem to have mellowed out a lot from before and have a delightful creative streak and pretty evenhanded about things ^^
hope you have a super night! ^^/~
Okay, off for sleeps for real now lol ^^
Wonkie
08-06-2018, 10:30 PM
elaborate prose can be used to express horrible opinions
also: water is wet
radda
08-07-2018, 12:18 AM
So good points in here, I will speak my opinion and tell one of my storys tmr maybe
Cecily
08-07-2018, 02:51 AM
I know you were and I think your reaction is appropriate. It means you are human ^^ the thing I have learned is that reason is indifferent to truth and not all truths are pleasant. Many, liek this one are depressing. Accepting a truth is not the same as embracing or reveling in it though.
That wasn't my argument ^^ (also wasn't directed at you, was in response to sonders post). my argument was that if you do not do enough to remedy the situation, or frequently enough to diminish it, then you are subsidizing it. This is where pokes gets frustrated as well and I don't blame him for it.
Your argument simplifies to fix entirely or don't bother. That's the "truth" I responded to. Unlike you, I don't view short term solutions as subsidizing long term problems. I see them as short term solutions to short term problems. A penniless, hungry person is in a state of urgent need. It doesn't matter how they got there. It doesn't matter if they have realistic plan to fix their life. It matters that they are hungry and that short term problem needs a solution before anything long term can be addressed.
Jimjam
08-07-2018, 02:52 AM
Collect food from local supermarkets that is past its shelf life. Make sandwiches. Hand them out. Have human conversations, but also distribute info on where they can get help with social issues, finances, housing, addiction, whatever.
It's an easy hole to fall into and can become hard to escape.
Nexii
08-07-2018, 07:32 AM
The thing is around where I live the majority of the beggars do it for a living in of itself. We have shelters and food banks. You aren't going to freeze or starve to death.
Now when I visited India and saw beggars, it was a completely different feeling. Especially when you see kids on the streets begging. In these situations I tend to be callous, I really don't know a better way to be. Might come from being taken advantage of one too many times in life.
LulzSect©
08-07-2018, 08:33 AM
[BARKS]
maskedmelon
08-07-2018, 08:35 AM
elaborate prose can be used to express horrible opinions
also: water is wet
/bonk ^^
Your argument simplifies to fix entirely or don't bother. That's the "truth" I responded to.
yep, or more simply, if you can't fix it, doing nothing is prefereable to propagating it.
Unlike you, I don't view short term solutions as subsidizing long term problems.
why not? It doesn't conflict with your next conclusion, which I agree with. they're not mutually exclusive conclusions.
I see them as short term solutions to short term problems.
They are ^^ that doesn't mean they don't perpetuate the condition though.
A penniless, hungry person is in a state of urgent need. It doesn't matter how they got there. It doesn't matter if they have realistic plan to fix their life.
I don't expect someone living on the street to have a plan for fixing their life. it's an unreasonable expectation and one that society is equipped to help with. outside of severe cognitive defecit and choice, the one pre-requisite for living on the street is lack of discipline and that isn't the individual's fault. what is required of that person is a desire for change if given the right tools and direction. Its liek rehab. You can send people there, but unless they want it, the change will not be lasting.
It matters that they are hungry and that short term problem needs a solution before anything long term can be addressed.
it does, but attending the short term problem without a long term solution allows us to defer it indefinitely. if we didn't have so many people freely subsidizing this sort of misery, society, the state and affected individuals would be compelled to do more ^^
Collect food from local supermarkets that is past its shelf life. Make sandwiches. Hand them out. Have human conversations, but also distribute info on where they can get help with social issues, finances, housing, addiction, whatever.
It's an easy hole to fall into and can become hard to escape.
it is and for most people it is inescapable alone :c almost everyone who ends up there lacks the tools and direction needed for the climb out. Fortunately, both are found in abundance across productive society ^^. there's no reason why the tools, direction and further aid conditioned on their adoption cannot be made freely available. there are shelters that do this.
chadtwoke
08-08-2018, 11:41 AM
If I was a beggar I'd save and attempt to not be a beggar.
Problem is beggars can't save. They also get mugged and robbed. They typically can't get jobs either. May not even have ID or have some serious health problems. Yeah they can be scam artists, even those are just trying to make a living with maybe the only skill they have.
They just are. It's dumb to look down at them.
Most beggars are the way they are because they're either A.)Lazy and don't want to take responsibility and get a job. B.)Addicts C.) Years of being addicts and having a victim mentality has turned their brain to mush.
Whether it is one of those reasons or all of them combined, to MOST people trying to get money standing on the off-ramp to the interstate I have no sympathy(especially when that certain off-ramp is walking distance away to a neighborhood that is almost all drug dealers). And If i was in the same position, I'd rather someone offer to help me get into a treatment facility rather than just enable me to continue to poison myself.
So, yea. Most beggars, get fucked.
Whirled
08-08-2018, 12:08 PM
When you send a random tell to someone you've known forever, however have not spoken to in a long while... And it is answered by someone named CaptainCrunch (or some such) then you send a tell to the Mistress of Drama to complain about it and she is afk??
How many people prune their friends list on a regular basis? What awkward stories do you have about sending an old friend a "hello" only to be greeted by a rando playing their character?
I play so infrequently that most or all my friends list is never around (or only during raid times it seems). I do get /tells at times from people that I have no clue who they are. Some even talk to me like they know me but I have no fucking clue who they are. Matters not really though since there's only about 1000 people and we're all going to cross paths more than once.
Perhaps the real question is, "Why does a goofy character name bother you so much?"
Crylol
08-08-2018, 07:57 PM
https://imgur.com/a/ysFjS
Won scout roll and server reset began 3 seconds after last roll. Of course <Aftermath> that rolled logged in after reset and turned in and decided the roll was canceled by the reset.
isiah
08-08-2018, 08:33 PM
/wave Drumas
Ahldagor
08-09-2018, 01:15 AM
P99 ethics: Rawls is laughing while Noddings is nodding.
Melon might be too Aristotilian for the contemporary world since reason hasn't meant anything for over a century.
Ashintar
08-10-2018, 10:29 AM
Hi Fingerz, miss you!
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