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Baler
02-18-2018, 05:34 PM
Over my years on p99 I've noticed that the dev's are more inclined to add 'bug fixes' that hinder the players. Many the 'bug fixes' that benefit players take pages of proof to convince them it's a legit bug. Where as the 'bug fixes' that hinder players get added after a single post by someone who found proof that is not bullet proof.

Am I alone in thinking that P99 is programed to be more difficult in an attempt to replicate the classic feel? And has anyone who follows the bug section noticed this trend I describe?

This is not a bash on staff and I specifically don't name names. It's my opinion/observation and I posted it in RnF to allow people to speak their mind freely.

Lulz~Sect
02-18-2018, 05:36 PM
📝

loramin
02-18-2018, 05:45 PM
I think players have an inherent bias towards helpful fixes, so it makes sense for the devs to have (some degree of) the opposite bias to counter that.

skarlorn
02-18-2018, 05:51 PM
i am still waiting on Telin to deliver the blessing of night blindness so i cannot see more than 10 yds

Baler
02-18-2018, 05:51 PM
I think players have an inherent bias towards helpful fixes, so it makes sense for the devs to have (some degree of) the opposite bias to counter that.

That is a valid interesting point. People will always search for an advantage or way to gain the system. It also makes me wonder if the number of beneficial bug reports is higher than hindering bug reports. Which would explain why some of the beneficial ones go unanswered. (excluding the ones that lack proper evidence ofc)

Baler
02-18-2018, 05:53 PM
i am still waiting on Telin to deliver the blessing of night blindness so i cannot see more than 10 yds

They did add something to this degree is a patch last year I think. Which made non-infra-ultra-vision more difficult to see at nighttime. This came along side the more classic skys patch I believe. I'd have to dig back to verify though.

skarlorn
02-18-2018, 05:56 PM
well god bless telin b/c that would've been his patch

i'm tired of playing at 20% gamma to properly hinder my visibility

Teppler
02-18-2018, 06:49 PM
some things are hard or can't be fixed because of the titanium client

How do you have 6000 posts on here? Are you massively overweight or something?

skarlorn
02-18-2018, 06:54 PM
teppler, please confine yourself to your one thread

you stand at the precipice of posting here for entertainment.

you know how sad this is!!

Teppler
02-18-2018, 06:57 PM
teppler, please confine yourself to your one thread

you stand at the precipice of posting here for entertainment.

you know how sad this is!!

If I'm entertaining why you want me in only 1 thread?

Teppler
02-18-2018, 07:18 PM
short answer: i like to yell about politics

im mildly overweight (25.something) for my height(manlet)

Which side of politics do you argue for?

Rygar
02-19-2018, 12:37 AM
Careful, piss off the staff with this thread, they will prioritize this bug report:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288931

Honestly, classic EQ was much harder than what we have on P99 currently. Even with the wealth of knowledge we have nowadays, there are a lot of mechanics in place that make life easier than in the old days (I still don't think 'push' should guarantee an interrupt on mobs after a certain distance... push is very overpowered on P99).

Its just the natural order that things get nerfed to classic as there were a lot of features that made life hard back in the day. I think the staff is more than willing to implement 'positive changes' such as NToV roaming flurry drakes and Tunare drop numbers given solid evidence. Right now they seem to be doing Chardok revamp and some other fixes that may be low hanging fruit.

skarlorn
02-19-2018, 12:41 AM
Smiled big at pokes posts on this page

Baler
02-19-2018, 02:46 AM
Rygar I appreciate that you want a pure classic experience but removing all the Quality of Life from p99 will hurt it. You're among the top of my aggravation list in the bug section because of the number of player hindering bug reports you post in the bug section. Which don't get me wrong I don't dislike you I thank you for taking the time to go out of your way to go search for information to help improve p99.

I disagree with your statement that classic live was harder than p99 disregarding the meta information we have now. I think it is that meta information that we have now that gives the appearance that p99 is easier. But I'm also a firm believer that the server has special cases such as roots/charms breaking back to back. These cases being where the rng rolls in favor of screwing over the player to give them further impression that this is classic and hardcore.

One thing that would improve everyone's lives with the bug section is if they stopped using the forums for bug tracking and used something like Mantis bug Tracker... https://www.mantisbt.org/

Rygar
02-19-2018, 08:01 AM
Simply put though, those quality of life improvements don't allow you to fully relive the 1999 - 2001 experience as it was.

The titanium client has a lot of these improvements built in, so only natural there is more "hindering" to do.

Teppler
02-19-2018, 08:02 AM
Smiled big at pokes posts on this page

Me too. Kind of interesting to see the type of guy that racks up over 6000 posts on here.

Fat. Short. Defines himself an anti white nationalists.

Canelek
02-19-2018, 08:14 AM
Are you a white nationalist?

Spyder73
02-19-2018, 12:20 PM
Cuckesan

Spyder73
02-19-2018, 12:20 PM
Seriously though - if the f#cking GMs would just turn on the LFG tool P99 would be 100% better

Sirken
02-19-2018, 12:28 PM
Seriously though - if the f#cking GMs would just turn on the LFG tool P99 would be 100% better

i can promise you this^ is being worked on. i peeked behind their curtain, and saw a dev working on it before security escorted me off the development floor of the P99 office building

Spyder73
02-19-2018, 12:34 PM
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d3r14k
02-19-2018, 01:08 PM
the development floor of the P99 office building

I have seen this office building. It is very impressive and looks nothing at all like Trump Tower. Their only mistake was putting Comic Sans on the front of the building, but we all know how server staff loves to watch the world burn.

Sirken outside the offices:

Spyder73
02-19-2018, 01:28 PM
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Lulz~Sect
02-19-2018, 01:30 PM
✈️✈️🏢🏢

skarlorn
02-19-2018, 02:07 PM
i can promise you this^ is being worked on. i peeked behind their curtain, and saw a dev working on it before security escorted me off the development floor of the P99 office building

Great. Any news on the corporate efforts to find someone who wants the wu tang surname? I'm tired of holding it on my level twenty Halfling

Muggens
02-19-2018, 03:20 PM
mostly i fight with the white nationalists in off topic

Made me lol

Spyder73
02-19-2018, 03:21 PM
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Muggens
02-19-2018, 03:22 PM
I think players have an inherent bias towards helpful fixes, so it makes sense for the devs to have (some degree of) the opposite bias to counter that.

Think this is right - cant be a p99 conspiracy going on as well

Muggens
02-19-2018, 03:24 PM
Me too. Kind of interesting to see the type of guy that racks up over 6000 posts on here.

Fat. Short. Defines himself an anti white nationalists.

Ill rather read 1000 pokesan posts than 1 of yours

Teppler
02-19-2018, 04:02 PM
Ill rather read 1000 pokesan posts than 1 of yours

Really? Does he make good arguments against white nationalists?

d3r14k
02-19-2018, 04:05 PM
Great. Any news on the corporate efforts to find someone who wants the wu tang surname? I'm tired of holding it on my level twenty Halfling

maskedmelon
02-19-2018, 04:08 PM
Really? Does he make good arguments against white nationalists?

the very best ^^

Teppler
02-19-2018, 04:15 PM
Well I feel good knowing I have pokesan fighting the good fight against those nasty white nationalists with his over 6000 posts on the 1999 Everquest simulators online message board forum specifically the off topic area. It’s surely a worthwhile life right there.

maskedmelon
02-19-2018, 04:20 PM
you don't sound very sincere.

d3r14k
02-19-2018, 04:32 PM
Well I feel good knowing I have pokesan fighting the good fight against those nasty white nationalists with his over 6000 posts on the 1999 Everquest simulators online message board forum specifically the off topic area. It’s surely a worthwhile life right there.

Meanwhile, you have spent the last couple hours attempting to (and failing) lambast people on the very same forums. Not to mention the several years you've spent playing this game judging by your join date. Don't disparage people for how they spend their time lest you're willing to turn the spyglass on thyself.

As John Lennon once said, “Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted.”

loramin
02-19-2018, 04:49 PM
I lost all hope in the bug section thread the day Rogean and Nilbog decided to shut down/execute a "bug fix" that had mountains of hard evidence to being classic and they decided not to do it because "Rogean did not remember it on live".

Link? Not because I don't believe you, I'm just curious about the details.

Teppler
02-19-2018, 04:58 PM
Meanwhile, you have spent the last couple hours attempting to (and failing) lambast people on the very same forums. Not to mention the several years you've spent playing this game judging by your join date. Don't disparage people for how they spend their time lest you're willing to turn the spyglass on thyself.

As John Lennon once said, “Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted.”

Really, that’s how I spent my last couple hours?

kaev
02-19-2018, 05:14 PM
Lol, until shortly after velious release DA wasn't killing sit agro (which worked far differently on live than it does here), there was much consternation about clerics DA tanking velious dragons by sitting at their feet.

Rygar
02-19-2018, 07:22 PM
I lost all hope in the bug section thread the day Rogean and Nilbog decided to shut down/execute a "bug fix" that had mountains of hard evidence to being classic and they decided not to do it because "Rogean did not remember it on live".

Tunare drop upgrade, NToV Flurry drake removal, and revising Fear resists for Velious dragons doesn't repair some damage?

I admit, from that agro dump thread, I disagreed with one portion of the evidence (the sontalak video clip). If he really got agro off that group C-heal, he wouldn't have had the chance to cast DA, don't recall Sont even turning towards him. Could have just gotten lucky on the witness check.

I don't know exactly what the truth is, it may be something in the middle. Never played with that mechanic on live myself.

Oleris
02-20-2018, 05:12 PM
Tough choices for the developer team to decide on quality of life changes vs. the classic experience. I think p1999 has balanced it pretty well, but I am still salty about when they removed buff timers lol. I think the biggest thing I've seen is the discrepancy with the number of items from raid mobs in classic vs p1999 even with all the evidence. That being said, I can't complain about something I get to play for free.

Rygar
02-20-2018, 06:10 PM
Tough choices for the developer team to decide on quality of life changes vs. the classic experience. I think p1999 has balanced it pretty well, but I am still salty about when they removed buff timers lol. I think the biggest thing I've seen is the discrepancy with the number of items from raid mobs in classic vs p1999 even with all the evidence. That being said, I can't complain about something I get to play for free.

This is my next project to complete, I just completed my classic pet name research project. Lets just say I have mountains of evidence I will be presenting on near every mob...

LostCause
02-21-2018, 06:18 AM
Rygar I appreciate that you want a pure classic experience but removing all the Quality of Life from p99 will hurt it. You're among the top of my aggravation list in the bug section because of the number of player hindering bug reports you post in the bug section. Which don't get me wrong I don't dislike you I thank you for taking the time to go out of your way to go search for information to help improve p99.

I disagree with your statement that classic live was harder than p99 disregarding the meta information we have now. I think it is that meta information that we have now that gives the appearance that p99 is easier. But I'm also a firm believer that the server has special cases such as roots/charms breaking back to back. These cases being where the rng rolls in favor of screwing over the player to give them further impression that this is classic and hardcore.

One thing that would improve everyone's lives with the bug section is if they stopped using the forums for bug tracking and used something like Mantis bug Tracker... https://www.mantisbt.org/

here is a quick and simple answer... look at rogean's sig if it still the same FREE GAMING



FREE GAMING FREE GAMING shits classic

d3r14k
02-21-2018, 01:43 PM
Cecily about to lay down the law with a machine gun and a +4 Grenade of Exploding.

Injustices to Pokesan are met with swift countermeasures.

Baler
02-21-2018, 01:45 PM
+1 for pokesan
+1 for Ceecily
& +1 for d3r14k's pic

kaev
02-21-2018, 07:20 PM
Devs never intended items to be recharged. We all know it's silly and should not be available.

That argument died and was laid to rest years ago, there are few who lament its passing. Here's the summary for you in case you missed it:

Devs never intended FD splitting either. Amazingly enough, in these and many other cases of emergent gameplay, rather than remove the mechanic they did their best to tune content with it in mind. It's true that vendor recharging was eventually killed, but not until long after new content and new mechanics/items/abilities had made classic/kunark items unimportant.

Lulz~Sect
02-21-2018, 08:14 PM
😬