Ruining EQ

[Tenderizer]

This thread is adorable. Seriously though, hopefully this suspension will introduce some people to raiding on this server and they will develop a taste for dragon meat. There is no significant barrier to entry into the raiding guilds, all you need is a desire to experience the end game content and a level 55+ character. We play a game that has killing dragons as an option, if you aren't killing dragons and want to be, there are options for you. I sincerely hope to see some of you among our ranks in the coming weeks or months. I've been on this server for many years and have seen a lot of upset players who refuse to participate because they let these forums or their peers convince them that the people in the "raiding" guilds are different kind of player or just bad people in genera. I've been in every kind of guild there is and it usually breaks down to about 95% cool people and around 5% intolerable shitheads, regardless of the shape of pixel you're killing. Don't be fooled by mad people into believing you don't have options on this server, we cater to all playstyles.

Theres a lot of true in this but if it were all true this cesspool wouldnt be blowing up. I heard someone say recently that they wont even be in the same zone as another player affecting cross guild cooperation poor members and we all know everyone hates eachother on the forums. Is there so much hate going around that people cant try to have pleasent interaction with one another.

[Ennewi]

I've been with Lord Bob for about 2 months now. Everything I hear about Hyjal vs what he actually says are very different.


Everything I hear about Bill Cosy vs what he actually says are very different.

[Ennewi]

"History may not repeat itself. But it rhymes."

02-04-2014, 09:37 PM
Splorf22 Splorf22 is offline
Planar Protector

I think you should start asking yourself what is more likely:

A: Everyone in the server decided to fuck with you guys cause you have an annoying name
B: Your leader has been lying to you about just about everything



02-04-2014, 09:46 PM
Urath Urath is offline
Decaying Skeleton

You know....you guys seem to talk alotta shit. Asking for proof and all this bullshit. Prove that he didn't say what he said. Prove that he is lying. Then talk. Until then stfu.


02-04-2014, 09:54 PM
Aaron Aaron is offline
Fire Giant

Your guild leader is a known liar. See other thread.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138133

[Phatez]

@CSG why not just pull lady N to the zoneline? Would have saved you a big headache...

[Rivera]

anyone who ever looked at AG as the good guys are hilariously wrong. they are just like A/A but bad at EQ as the only difference. tbh.

[branamil]

CSG marketing game on point though. Lawyering an open raid out of an extra dragon is perhaps the most neckbeardy thing possible in this server. toxic. But they sent their 300 strong zerg of canvassers here to cry, “a bloo bloo bloo, we’re just innocent casuals.”

[arsenalpow]

Vote with your feet dummies.

[Ennewi]

So for future reference, next time let them break the rule, wipe repeatedly, then eat a ban and have no one to blame but themselves? Got it.

[Heebs13]

CSG marketing game on point though. Lawyering an open raid out of an extra dragon is perhaps the most neckbeardy thing possible in this server. toxic. But they sent their 300 strong zerg of canvassers here to cry, “a bloo bloo bloo, we’re just innocent casuals.”

Brana is having a very lonely Christmas Eve.

[Fasttimes]

Holy shit this thread is great, especially Cecily completely melting down and showing her true nature. Priceless.

Only facts that matter - raid rules existed. A PUG breaks the rules. A PUG gets punished.

Doesnt even matter if it was accidental or on purpose. But continue to tell the judge "I was drunk driving, it's not my fault Lady N was using the crosswalk!". I'm sure it'll make sense the more you say it.

holy shit look at this melt, priceless.

[skarlorn]

holy shit look at this melt, priceless.

Ya gdwing posting is next level 2day

[bhs13501]

omg this thread is awesome!

the cats away mice will play lets hold hands tov holiday novelty tour honeymoon phase has worn off. looks like somone broke a pretty cut and dry rule with little grey area and we got a 25 page rnf with the mid tier vigilantes and some legends gracing us with their presence. welcome to tov!

now with the near month long suspensions and multiples repops inc, its gonna get good! what are you guys gonna do when something actually disputable happens. rnf needed blast of fresh air

Git in there u can real shitpost /ooc in the temple in the thick of the battles. U can /ooc, fuck w raid mobs and convince yourself your rustling ppl even if no one sees it, no one cares or legit doesn't even know what's going on. Even sweeter if youve been scorned by the badies in the past.

If u enjoy the watered down rnf tablescrap politics o man then u gonna love the real thing! Tighten your scabbard belts replenish your quivers get in there and give them hell, rewrite the history books and bask in the glory of this new communal age

now that the honeymoon is over its time to crank up the fun and get real with the joyous accomplishment of killing a dragon god, and the sheer satisfaction of doing it cause your team of adventurers were faster, more in sync, and more "skilled" :confused:. we got casual folks been in the same guilds for years harboring secret boners for the fables pixels and experiences you guys are about to cherish. when i inspect a run of the mill casual w a hodgepodge tov rot piece stuck in there like a massive tacky chrome spoiler on a shity ricer, its truly incredible. time to make memories!

in the red corner looks like we got the inter continental cattle drive of three legend down syndrome cats that is csg, with whipping marlboro men at the helm who look like hardened veterans, but are actually dusty bitter old bastards trying to give it one last hoorah, full of regret for not doing this when they were strapping young men, and their eager stable boys looking at them wide eyed and full of wonder, while the old farts nervousely looking over their shoulders spinning tall tales to the youngins with slight variations, hoping they wont recite the same story they told around the fire the night before

in the other corner we got the up in comers, and the battle hardened one eye hyjal, with a few tricks up his sleeve, and a chip on his shoulder. and a hankering for competition not even old age, a fall from grace, flew to close to the sun damnation could quell.

Give em hell bois, lest you get outplayeddd

[Tupakk]

So for future reference, next time let them break the rule, wipe repeatedly, then eat a ban and have no one to blame but themselves? Got it.

No join us instead of oppose us and we could of had them all. Instead you waited it out so you could attempt them all. If we weren’t there that’s what you would of done.

We want to go after AA not CSG but every chance you guys get you dipset when it favors you and go against what we’re doing.

From one community leader to another join us and help us take back the raid scene. Without petition questing. Cause as you can see 28 pages says what y’all did was scummy.

Lord Bob 4 Life!!!

[Rivera]

From one community leader to another yikes

[bilirubin]

Theres a lot of true in this but if it were all true this cesspool wouldnt be blowing up. I heard someone say recently that they wont even be in the same zone as another player affecting cross guild cooperation poor members and we all know everyone hates eachother on the forums. Is there so much hate going around that people cant try to have pleasent interaction with one another.

I thought that's what he meant by the 95% reasonable people, 5% I want to meet in an underground p99 pvp kumite . Sounds about right.

[Pokesan]

sorry guys, i tried to get banned for christmas but santa wouldn't cooperate

you get nothing

[Mead]

sorry guys, i tried to get banned for christmas but santa wouldn't cooperate

you get nothing

Lhance might have triggered Rivera into a Christmas ban

Serious forumquest exp coming his way with the 25% Holiday exp bonus

[skarlorn]

Basically the only question is if an elf reported rivera to the xmas gestapo

C U n the gulag kiddo

[Visual]

Same as a/a but lazy sums it up.

Yes. They raid just as hard as AA in their absence. Last ban they were raiding for like 12 hours straight multiple days in a row.

It's pretty much just people who don't want to be held up to a certain standard of play.

[Tenderizer]

No join us instead of oppose us and we could of had them all. Instead you waited it out so you could attempt them all. If we weren’t there that’s what you would of done.

From one community leader to another join us and help us take back the raid scene. Without petition questing. Cause as you can see 28 pages says what y’all did was scummy.


If what CSG had logged in came and had a member get an item would that of been so bad on their part? lots of possible outcomes.

28 pages and nothing has changed, even when the staff promotes prison style self policing. Handful of nosey people from the guild that should not be named caused a ruckus and over what? couple scraps of loot.

I hear there is a Norrath World Summit, I believe a sleeping giant has been awoken and its name is "Casuals".

[Tenderizer]

Yes. They raid just as hard as AA in their absence. Last ban they were raiding for like 12 hours straight multiple days in a row.

It's pretty much just people who don't want to be held up to a certain standard of play.

what standard? trains, hatred, suspensions,staff headaches and on and on. Everyone has difference preferences on how they want to enjoy the game but there is no other option than to play dirty and bitchy, secret skypes, trash talking ect. No wonder there is a stigma of toxicity, just because some don't see ALL the negatives doesn't rule them out.

[William_Munny15]

I attended a lord bob raid before and I couldn't get clarity because I'm in AG. Joke was on them though I wanted that clarity to solo!

[Ennewi]

No join us instead of oppose us and we could of had them all. Instead you waited it out so you could attempt them all. If we weren’t there that’s what you would of done.

We want to go after AA not CSG but every chance you guys get you dipset when it favors you and go against what we’re doing.

From one community leader to another join us and help us take back the raid scene. Without petition questing. Cause as you can see 28 pages says what y’all did was scummy.

Lord Bob 4 Life!!!

"We could of had them all." Your words not mine. Think about it. Also, I'm doing everything not to replace the of with have.

Contrary to what some would believe, CSG has had no interest in all of the mobs. This I can attest to with some degree of saltiness because the mobs CSG has passed as of late on are the ones I want, including that Lady N you all killed. This also includes triplets, which are still up afaik, and now Doz (grats to Kittens and PS on 4 tears).

Being relatively new to Catholic School Girls leaves me somewhat unbiased to say that while there are flaws, as with every guild/alliance, the greed for raid targets isn't one of them. If it was, I would have deguilded by now. Instead, there have been numerous times where I've heard leadership say, "Let's leave these mobs alone for other guilds, let's not be greedy guys, let's see if this guild goes after it, no need to go after it now."

Cut to Lord Bob downing some ToV dragons and then, naturally, wanting more. It's understandable for those who were in attendance, wanting to continue the crawl and finish off the day with some best in slot gear. But for those leading to try and wriggle through some perceived loophole in the raid rules (under the flag of being open raid and therefore supposedly exempt from those rules) was underhanded and greedier than anything A/A has been accused of imo. The rules apply to every player, without exception. If you believe otherwise, that's fine but that's all it is, a belief.

But it doesn't matter anyway because we are all just semi-addicted beta testers who ultimately have rights to nothing. Not our Halloween consumables. Not our compasses. So enjoy it while it lasts. Try to share it before it's gone. And don't lose your minds when you don't get everything you envisioned.

From one community leader to another join us and help us take back the raid scene.

Idk that seems too official-sounding or self-important or something along those lines to fit the bill. I just hang out with people and we talk sometimes, but the game generally leads the conversation just as it draws in the community. And I don't think there is any raid scene to take back. Once it's taken, someone else will want to take it back for themselves, and so on. What's that quote about the only person who should be president? The one that would have to be dragged into the White House kicking and screaming? Something to that effect.

Cause as you can see 28 pages says what y’all did was scummy.

Lord Bob 4 Life!!!

Most of the time we all have our own convoluted opinions and we're pretty damn sure we're right, but we don't actively try to think where we might be wrong in our thinking. 28 pages and each of us will read it the way we want to apparently. In any case, I don't share your enthusiasm for LB or any guild/group/team for that matter. I'm American but I haven't been present for everything Americans have ever done, will ever do, or are currently doing whether it's seen as good or bad. I could have been born on another continent, just as I could have just as easily joined another guild. It's not meaningless, but it also isn't definitive.

Anyway, enough pseudo-intellectual wall of text that no one will read. It's officially Christmas. Time to forget all of this nonsense and have something to drink. I'd suggest the rest of you do the same for some life perspective, but then I'm no community leader so continue on, as you were.

[skarlorn]

Merry Xmas everyone even the people upset over raid pixels. God bless America for the freedom to expend prana on something as superfluous as EQ

[Tupakk]

"We could of had them all." Your words not mine. Think about it. Also, I'm doing everything not to replace the of with have.

Contrary to what some would believe, CSG has had no interest in all of the mobs. This I can attest to with some degree of saltiness because the mobs CSG has passed as of late on are the ones I want, including that Lady N you all killed. This also includes triplets, which are still up afaik, and now Doz (grats to Kittens and PS on 4 tears).

Being relatively new to Catholic School Girls leaves me somewhat unbiased to say that while there are flaws, as with every guild/alliance, the greed for raid targets isn't one of them. If it was, I would have deguilded by now. Instead, there have been numerous times where I've heard leadership say, "Let's leave these mobs alone for other guilds, let's not be greedy guys, let's see if this guild goes after it, no need to go after it now."

Cut to Lord Bob downing some ToV dragons and then, naturally, wanting more. It's understandable for those who were in attendance, wanting to continue the crawl and finish off the day with some best in slot gear. But for those leading to try and wriggle through some perceived loophole in the raid rules (under the flag of being open raid and therefore supposedly exempt from those rules) was underhanded and greedier than anything A/A has been accused of imo. The rules apply to every player, without exception. If you believe otherwise, that's fine but that's all it is, a belief.

But it doesn't matter anyway because we are all just semi-addicted beta testers who ultimately have rights to nothing. Not our Halloween consumables. Not our compasses. So enjoy it while it lasts. Try to share it before it's gone. And don't lose your minds when you don't get everything you envisioned.



Idk that seems too official-sounding or self-important or something along those lines to fit the bill. I just hang out with people and we talk sometimes, but the game generally leads the conversation just as it draws in the community. And I don't think there is any raid scene to take back. Once it's taken, someone else will want to take it back for themselves, and so on. What's that quote about the only person who should be president? The one that would have to be dragged into the White House kicking and screaming? Something to that effect.



Most of the time we all have our own convoluted opinions and we're pretty damn sure we're right, but we don't actively try to think where we might be wrong in our thinking. 28 pages and each of us will read it the way we want to apparently. In any case, I don't share your enthusiasm for LB or any guild/group/team for that matter. I'm American but I haven't been present for everything Americans have ever done, will ever do, or are currently doing whether it's seen as good or bad. I could have been born on another continent, just as I could have just as easily joined another guild. It's not meaningless, but it also isn't definitive.

Anyway, enough pseudo-intellectual wall of text that no one will read. It's officially Christmas. Time to forget all of this nonsense and have something to drink. I'd suggest the rest of you do the same for some life perspective, but then I'm no community leader so continue on, as you were.


Nobody else will read into but I did. I want to help join the casuals together that’s my end game. I will use every THING in my kit to do it dirty or not. I feel confident.

Merry Christmas.

[Mead]

I read every tear soaked word on these forums

And just to think after the suspension you casuals can go back to blaming A/A for your problems instead of each other

[Dolalin]

An adult conversation was finally had, and Lord Bob is getting guaranteed targets including Tormax, AoW and their own Vulak. Drama over.

On a side note, would A/A ever give these mobs to a casual raid group?

/thread

[Phenyo]

An adult conversation was finally had, and Lord Bob is getting guaranteed targets including Tormax, AoW and their own Vulak. Drama over.

On a side note, would A/A ever give these mobs to a casual raid group?

/thread

oh you sweet summer child

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/KKjjvYa.gif

[Heebs13]

An adult conversation was finally had, and Lord Bob is getting guaranteed targets including Tormax, AoW and their own Vulak. Drama over.

On a side note, would A/A ever give these mobs to a casual raid group?

/thread

Well that was nice of CSG than we needed to be, but Merry Christmas to Lord Bob I guess. They'll still find something to complain about and blame CSG for though.

[Culkasi]

An adult conversation was finally had, and Lord Bob is getting guaranteed targets including Tormax, AoW and their own Vulak. Drama over.

On a side note, would A/A ever give these mobs to a casual raid group?

/thread

Fatter has no idea what he is talking about here

[Heebs13]

Fatter has no idea what he is talking about here

You lied to me, Fatter!

Still, I was about to wonder who the negotiators were for CSG and Bob: Homer Simpson and Johnny Cochrane?

[Dolalin]

Apparently no I don't have any idea, that was my bad. I shouldn't be posting anything let alone with this much of a hangover.

[Baler]

I do have to say this is the most I've seen of csg in RnF so happy holidays to that. lol

[Cecily]

Good thread. I liked the part where a bunch people said Cecily snapped. Illiterate morans. That's me mildly pissed and giving a Sirken a long deserved chewing out. That's far off from a nuclear melt down. I'm sure it'll happen one day but not this thread. Merry Christmas.

[Cecily]

A/A suspended. Casuals going at each other's throats. A decent RnF. I couldn't ask for a nicer Christmas. Thank you for this wonderful present Sirken.

[Heebs13]

A/A suspended. Casuals going at each other's throats. A decent RnF. I couldn't ask for a nicer Christmas. Thank you for this wonderful present Sirken.

You're a casual.

[Cecily]

Amen to that.

[Baler]

Amen to that.

Yeah switch back your avatar you casual I barely recognize you! :p

[Elerial]

https://imgflip.com/i/21o1ys

[Baler]

https://imgflip.com/i/21o1ys
lol
https://i.imgur.com/H77LGRw.jpg

[Synthlol]

No join us instead of oppose us and we could of had them all. Instead you waited it out so you could attempt them all. If we weren’t there that’s what you would of done.

We want to go after AA not CSG but every chance you guys get you dipset when it favors you and go against what we’re doing.

From one community leader to another join us and help us take back the raid scene. Without petition questing. Cause as you can see 28 pages says what y’all did was scummy.

Lord Bob 4 Life!!!

So you haven't figured out yet that you were trying to cheat and got caught?

Or is this your reaction to that realization?

[Baler]

Asking Tupakk questions about reality. GL HF

[eezl]

hey just want to point out, That raid never cheated. Let's be honest about the facts, they never FTE'd Lady M. I however am still confused about the particular rules, cuz im a filthy casual.

If we had all zoned back out after killing Lady N, with Lady M spawned, and started again from the entrance, couldnt we have gone after M or Vulak? And if we had killed Lady M, couldnt we have zoned out, came back in with a fresh target, and killed Vulak?

Does anyone from A/A or CSG want to actually give an exact phrasing of the rules they use are? Also, the last post in the ToV Rules by sirken says all specific AoW/ToV rules are removed, so that means back to the standard raid rules laid out, which is where I am getting my zone out for a fresh target allocation after murdering Lady N.

And Finally, whats all this shit about CSG saying they had an agreement that they were to get Lady N and Vulak 1 day into the 20 day A/A ban? obviously I'm a filthy casual, but when the fuck did this happen? Probably one of those secret skype meetings we all hear about, but no one knows the details of.

[Shrubwise]

Thread rated 5/5 did deliver much angst. Happy Holidays!

[branamil]

You are disqualified from a mob if it spawns while you have more than 2 people past the zone line. Which I’ve suggested is kind of stupid, at most this should lock you out for 1 hour so as to give contenders for the mob a fair chance. This rule discourages dungeon crawling and is unintuitive, there was a ready and willing raid force nearby but all it takes is one person to say, “hey I want that loot too!” To disqualify a whole raid force.

[Baler]

You are disqualified from a mob if it spawns while you have more than 2 people past the zone line. Which I’ve suggested is kind of stupid, at most this should lock you out for 1 hour so as to give contenders for the mob a fair chance. This rule discourages dungeon crawling and is unintuitive, there was a ready and willing raid force nearby but all it takes is one person to say, “hey I want that loot too!” To disqualify a whole raid force.

This rule is older than a majority of the forum accounts. Including yours.

[Mytral]

Christmas eve day and CSG all logged off, spending time with family and drinking to much egg nog.

Lord BoB wiping to Zlandicar for hours, finally giving up and leave mob up. All the while complete ignoring triplets have been up for days.

Meanwhile, PS / Kittens do a 40 person Dozekar (Gratz Mates!!!!!!)

FUCKING CSG!!!! Quit ruining EQ!!!!!!

[diamondfist]

hey just want to point out, That raid never cheated. Let's be honest about the facts, they never FTE'd Lady M. I however am still confused about the particular rules, cuz im a filthy casual.

If we had all zoned back out after killing Lady N, with Lady M spawned, and started again from the entrance, couldnt we have gone after M or Vulak? And if we had killed Lady M, couldnt we have zoned out, came back in with a fresh target, and killed Vulak?

Does anyone from A/A or CSG want to actually give an exact phrasing of the rules they use are? Also, the last post in the ToV Rules by sirken says all specific AoW/ToV rules are removed, so that means back to the standard raid rules laid out, which is where I am getting my zone out for a fresh target allocation after murdering Lady N.

And Finally, whats all this shit about CSG saying they had an agreement that they were to get Lady N and Vulak 1 day into the 20 day A/A ban? obviously I'm a filthy casual, but when the fuck did this happen? Probably one of those secret skype meetings we all hear about, but no one knows the details of.



Officially(Current rules), you are allowed 2 trackers per wing in ToV, so West / North / East(HoT)

If you are over those 2 trackers when a target spawns in that area... you are DQ'd from the that spawn indefinitely.

cant wait for a timer / zone out to restart / wait until another group of players attempts that target first. You are just straight up DQd.

Only difference between what I hear happened and what would happen between my guild and Aftermath is, there would be a huge lawyer quest to prove that the opponent was actually DQed. (Always involves detoxx crying like a baby, and in deniel of any wrong doing, and sending crazy amounts of messages that look like a crazy ex's rant, When he is out of energy ranting he would hand it off to the next officer to take up the crusade, and that goes on for a few days.)

Ways to prove a rule was broken:

Bind Sight fraps showing the players breaking the rule + a real time track window of the mob poping, or being able to prove the mob wasnt up before they moved into place but it spawned during their being in that area that would qualify them for DQ on spawn.
GMs could pull an engage log + spawn time log... but this is if they are present and are willing and able to focus their attention on your request. This would only prove fault if the players were actively engaged in a FTE target when the mob in question spawned.

So the claimed real time GM intervention without the proper order of procedures is where I question how much truth there is to all thats being claimed.

Which is rule broken > Talk to offending party > Show them proof if they deny > Submit petition if resolution cant be found and you still feel they are in the wrong > wait for staff reception and review > Hope your claim isnt thrown out / justice is served.

[Heebs13]

Honestly the rule should be you are disqualified from that mob until your entire raid has left the zone and remained out of the zone for 72 minutes. This ensures any trash you cleared while your raid was past the starting line has respawned, and any head start you would have had by being past the starting line is effectively erased. Yes, another guild would have the chance to get in there before you, but that's why you shouldn't break rules. It would be much better than the indefinite lockout we have now.

[Tupakk]

So you haven't figured out yet that you were trying to cheat and got caught?

Or is this your reaction to that realization?

We were trying to get dragons. Like I said if CSG was with us none of this would of happened.

We don’t actively look to cheat and break the rules but it’s cool y’all wait for us to slip up so you can petition your dragons. A+ ....

[Baler]

Like I said if CSG was with us none of this would of happened. .

If CSG was with you,. both you and csg would have been DQ'd.

[Tupakk]

If CSG was with you,. both you and csg would have been DQ'd.

maybe. Maybe not. We prolly could of zone pulled and never left the ent keeping us clear of any silly rule. Working together in the zone instead of being split.

[Rivera]

Like I said if CSG was with us none of this would of happened. stick to porting people around all day :rolleyes:

[Baler]

maybe. Maybe not. We prolly could of zone pulled and never left the ent keeping us clear of any silly rule. Working together in the zone instead of being split.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2rE_voavMo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh08C8Nwwto

[Mytral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2rE_voavMo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh08C8Nwwto

Please lock thread with this ^^^

and delete this post

[Phenyo]

stick to porting people around all day :rolleyes:

dunkd

[branamil]

This rule is older than a majority of the forum accounts. Including yours.

Dunno why you’re being such a turd in the punch today, by longevity isn’t a good defense of a rule. And if you really derive self worth from the age of your forum account.... cringe.

[skarlorn]

I would love to login and train the fuck out of you ogre scum

[Baler]

Dunno why you’re being such a turd in the punch today.

Today? I thought that was my M.O. I'll need to get my PR rep on the phone asap!
:rolleyes:

My only point was that the rule is in place for a reason. That reason is very old relative to this thread/ new users input on the topic. I'm not trying to slight you. you're more than welcome to voice your opinion on the matter. Just flip through some old topics to see what kind of bullshit use to go on.

[Heebs13]

maybe. Maybe not. We prolly could of zone pulled and never left the ent keeping us clear of any silly rule. Working together in the zone instead of being split.

Zone pull Lady N? That's an extremely long pull. Any number of things could go wrong and then you'd be down multiple DA idols and you'd need to retrieve the corpses of like 5 different monks from deep in NTOV.

[Tupakk]

Zone pull Lady N? That's an extremely long pull. Any number of things could go wrong and then you'd be down multiple DA idols and you'd need to retrieve the corpses of like 5 different monks from deep in NTOV.

Welcome to Everquest. If it was easy the game would of folded years ago.

[Tupakk]

stick to porting people around all day :rolleyes:

I have bots n boxes do that currently. Can’t See Me.

[kotton05]

Just do you CSG you earned it. These rules are dumb and for a/a!

[kotton05]

Zone pull Lady N? That's an extremely long pull. Any number of things could go wrong and then you'd be down multiple DA idols and you'd need to retrieve the corpses of like 5 different monks from deep in NTOV.

Lol you guys and brute forcing mobs. You don’t need idols for that yikes. Sounds like an atrocious zergling strat.

[Fasttimes]

Lol you guys and brute forcing mobs. You don’t need idols for that yikes. Sounds like an atrocious zergling strat.

Merkk you are dirty

[Ravager]

Educate them oh glorious bearded one!

[Heebs13]

Lol you guys and brute forcing mobs. You don’t need idols for that yikes. Sounds like an atrocious zergling strat.

Well I'm just a paladin so training from Lady N to the entrance of TOV sounds tough but maybe you could show me how it's done with fraps. Would love to see you do it solo without an idol.

[skarlorn]

Paladins suck LMAO

[Skew]

Paladins suck LMAO

Indeed.

CSG use a paladin for pulls :confused: Explains everything

[Synthlol]

We don’t actively look to cheat and break the rules

Then why wasn't your reaction to thank CSG for helping you make sure you and your raid didn't?

[Heebs13]

Paladins suck LMAO

A cunning reply from an equally cunning shit poster.

[Phenyo]

Zone pull Lady N? That's an extremely long pull. Any number of things could go wrong and then you'd be down multiple DA idols and you'd need to retrieve the corpses of like 5 different monks from deep in NTOV.

Laughingelfgirls.jpg

This is why AG will always be bottom tier

[Tupakk]

Then why wasn't your reaction to thank CSG for helping you make sure you and your raid didn't?

Helping is something said to one another not hiding behind petitions and running to papa Sirken every time.

When CSG can wrap their head around that maybe just maybe things might fall in place.

[Fragged]

[...]So the claimed real time GM intervention without the proper order of procedures is where I question how much truth there is to all thats being claimed.

Which is rule broken > Talk to offending party > Show them proof if they deny > Submit petition if resolution cant be found and you still feel they are in the wrong > wait for staff reception and review > Hope your claim isnt thrown out / justice is served.

Reminds of of that fraps where the audio wasn't cut out and you can hear the CSG leadership saying "It's ok, Llandris is logging on now he will handle it".

/em dusts off his tinfoil hat.

[Fragged]

Also what happened to the usual scenario where Sirken talks to the guildleaders of each party involved, letting them know that they have valid petitions and that they can chose to drop them or both be suspended? I guess that practice is waved when casual christmas welfare is at stake.

Ah shit nm I remember now, when Sirken offers to let the parties involved drop their petitions is when there was a valid petition against CSG as well.

/em puts on his tinfoil panties

[Synthlol]

Helping is something said to one another not hiding behind petitions and running to papa Sirken every time.

When CSG can wrap their head around that maybe just maybe things might fall in place.

Siren had to get involved because the Lord Bob raid refused to stand down after they were advised of the situation.

Here's what I find so funny:

Lord Bob is OK with cheating to get dragon pixels but think they are the good guy victims.

CSG is not OK with cheating to get dragon pixels, yet people are trying to paint them as scummy neckbeards overcome with pixel lust.

Merry Christmas

[Fasttimes]

Siren had to get involved because the Lord Bob raid refused to stand down after they were advised of the situation.

Here's what I find so funny:

Lord Bob is OK with cheating to get dragon pixels but think they are the good guy victims.

CSG is not OK with cheating to get dragon pixels, yet people are trying to paint them as scummy neckbeards overcome with pixel lust.

Merry Christmas

that is something a scummy neckbeard would say

[Heebs13]

Laughingelfgirls.jpg

This is why AG will always be bottom tier

Doesn't A/A coth up to do twins and triplets as well? Are they bottom tier? Please show us how it's done, Phenyo.

[raato]

Ah shit nm I remember now, when Sirken offers to let the parties involved drop their petitions is when there was a valid petition against CSG as well.

/em puts on his tinfoil panties

When there has been valid petition against CSG? or even a petition?

[Fasttimes]

When there has been valid petition against CSG? or even a petition?

i was assaulted twice last week by an europa member.

#MeToo

[Baler]

i was assaulted twice last week by an europa member.

#MeToo

Show us on the doll where csg touched you. :p

[Mytral]

How do I submit a petition? Do I do it in game or on the forums? Ah hell.... I just petition in public opinion.

Lord BoB promised me Dain and Zladicar pixels but failed to deliver. I’d like Hyjal and his inner circle banned from forming pu raids for 10 days.

[bhs13501]

Get prepped for repop, time to play better and more lovingly than you ever have

[Domo]

I tell ya what "Ruining EQ".

You are about to kill Cazic Thule with your guild but are to stupid or unlucky and fail at 2%, and a hardcore guild comes by with 12-20people and just KS it at 2%.

This happend about a year ago and its (unfortunately) rule conform.

[Domo]

edit:

I tell ya what "Ruining EQ" for me

[kotton05]

Nothing but warm bodies clinging to the play of a small group of actual players ruins EQ.

They all just a bunch of betas

[skarlorn]

Nothing but warm bodies clinging to the play of a small group of actual players ruins EQ.

They all just a bunch of betas

Cringe

[Zekayy]

anyone who ever looked at AG as the good guys are hilariously wrong. they are just like A/A but bad at EQ as the only difference. tbh.

finally someone speaks the truth

[kotton05]

Cringe

Yes that applies to you too

[Cecily]

anyone who ever looked at AG as the good guys are hilariously wrong. they are just like A/A but bad at EQ as the only difference. tbh.

Bad at P99 and bad at EQ are two incredibly different things. The A/A meta game is most certainly not EQ.

[Cecily]

Nothing but warm bodies clinging to the play of a small group of actual players ruins EQ.

They all just a bunch of betas

Cringing hard.

[Nexii]

Bad at P99 and bad at EQ are two incredibly different things. The A/A meta game is most certainly not EQ.

Still say the problem isn't the players for the most part. Variance is a failed experiment, never intended for a server like blue P99 that has 5x the active raiders of any same-era live server.

Quakes are the only solution, you can see already the agreements guilds have on quakes are very different than for mobs that mob on variance.

[Fragged]

When there has been valid petition against CSG? or even a petition?

When Versager kited CT for 15 minutes. Sirken told A/A and CSG that it was either suspend all 3 parties or let the petitions even each other out.

I can't remember the petition that was valid against Awakened, might have been a Koi tracker FTE or a train at zone in, but I do remember the one of ours. We had people who /Qed AFTER a dragon was dead in proximity of it's spawn point in order to swap toons and continue competing in another zone. Apparently this is is a suspandeble (at least if you are A/A). When asked about the multiple people bound at zoneout in ToV or people that camp out there, Sirken replied that "yeah he was about to suspend all the guilds on the server"... K man.

I know some of CSGs members love to waltz around thinking they are spit clean, but I have seen CSG violate the raid rules more than a dozen times, I can imagine our stepsister (Awakened) has too. But ever since we had 5 petitions in vs Awakened where Sirken deemed that for 2 of them the evidence wasn't sufficient enough, so instead of suspending them for the 3 that were good he chose to suspend us for crying wolf.. Ever since that, and since it doesn't really matter to us as we barely see you anyway, we just don't bother petitioning you.

Every week we have people from CSG kiting, training, ninjalooting our mobs, griefing our members mid raid and on and on.. but hey A/A are the evil evil people.

Fun fact we spend every second of every raid worrying about if we did anything wrong with these horribly unclear raid rules. Nothing matters more to us than to abide by the raid rules as it's our raison d'etre. This should give you an idea of how hard it is to to navigate in the current set of rules.

We once had a tracker exit the zone and zone back in an hour later and help with the pull.. BAM suspened. What is it Sirken always says "The spirit of the rules", pretty sure that goes against the spirit as the tracker had no hand in obtaining the legal FTE and as of having exited the zone and zoned back in would no longer even be considered a fucking tracker.. /sigh.

Just to be clear I'm not trying to say CSG is evil either, heck I don't even think Awakened is, but the fact of the matter is that the enforcement of the raid rules are stupidly arbitrary and anyone slinging mud in either guilds direction is missing the bigger picture.

[Nexii]

When Versager kited CT for 15 minutes. Sirken told A/A and CSG that it was either suspend all 3 parties or let the petitions even each other out.

I can't remember the petition that was valid against Awakened, might have been a Koi tracker FTE or a train at zone in, but I do remember the one of ours. We had people who /Qed AFTER a dragon was dead in proximity of it's spawn point in order to swap toons and continue competing in another zone. Apparently this is is a suspandeble (at least if you are A/A). When asked about the multiple people bound at zoneout in ToV or people that camp out there, Sirken replied that "yeah he was about to suspend all the guilds on the server"... K man.

I know some of CSGs members love to waltz around thinking they are spit clean, but I have seen CSG violate the raid rules more than a dozen times, I can imagine our stepsister (Awakened) has too. But ever since we had 5 petitions in vs Awakened where Sirken deemed that for 2 of them the evidence wasn't sufficient enough, so instead of suspending them for the 3 that were good he chose to suspend us for crying wolf.. Ever since that, and since it doesn't really matter to us as we barely see you anyway, we just don't bother petitioning you.

Every week we have people from CSG kiting, training, ninjalooting our mobs, griefing our members mid raid and on and on.. but hey A/A are the evil evil people.

Fun fact we spend every second of every raid worrying about if we did anything wrong with these horribly unclear raid rules. Nothing matters more to us than to abide by the raid rules as it's our raison d'etre. This should give you an idea of how hard it is to to navigate in the current set of rules.

We once had a tracker exit the zone and zone back in an hour later and help with the pull.. BAM suspened. What is it Sirken always says "The spirit of the rules", pretty sure that goes against the spirit as the tracker had no hand in obtaining the legal FTE and as of having exited the zone and zoned back in would no longer even be considered a fucking tracker.. /sigh.

Just to be clear I'm not trying to say CSG is evil either, heck I don't even think Awakened is, but the fact of the matter is that the enforcement of the raid rules are stupidly arbitrary and anyone slinging mud in either guilds direction is missing the bigger picture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

[Pokesan]

Still say the problem isn't the players for the most part. Variance is a failed experiment, never intended for a server like blue P99 that has 5x the active raiders of any same-era live server.

Quakes are the only solution, you can see already the agreements guilds have on quakes are very different than for mobs that mob on variance.

https://i.imgur.com/1G1dWnp.gif

the real answer is spawn length variance. socking is like cancer, you can't stop it without killing or maiming the host.

namaste

[Elerial]

http://shrani.si/f/42/9/18q1aj36/screenshot1.png

[Heebs13]

When Versager kited CT for 15 minutes. Sirken told A/A and CSG that it was either suspend all 3 parties or let the petitions even each other out.

I can't remember the petition that was valid against Awakened, might have been a Koi tracker FTE or a train at zone in, but I do remember the one of ours. We had people who /Qed AFTER a dragon was dead in proximity of it's spawn point in order to swap toons and continue competing in another zone. Apparently this is is a suspandeble (at least if you are A/A). When asked about the multiple people bound at zoneout in ToV or people that camp out there, Sirken replied that "yeah he was about to suspend all the guilds on the server"... K man.

I know some of CSGs members love to waltz around thinking they are spit clean, but I have seen CSG violate the raid rules more than a dozen times, I can imagine our stepsister (Awakened) has too. But ever since we had 5 petitions in vs Awakened where Sirken deemed that for 2 of them the evidence wasn't sufficient enough, so instead of suspending them for the 3 that were good he chose to suspend us for crying wolf.. Ever since that, and since it doesn't really matter to us as we barely see you anyway, we just don't bother petitioning you.

Every week we have people from CSG kiting, training, ninjalooting our mobs, griefing our members mid raid and on and on.. but hey A/A are the evil evil people.

Fun fact we spend every second of every raid worrying about if we did anything wrong with these horribly unclear raid rules. Nothing matters more to us than to abide by the raid rules as it's our raison d'etre. This should give you an idea of how hard it is to to navigate in the current set of rules.

We once had a tracker exit the zone and zone back in an hour later and help with the pull.. BAM suspened. What is it Sirken always says "The spirit of the rules", pretty sure that goes against the spirit as the tracker had no hand in obtaining the legal FTE and as of having exited the zone and zoned back in would no longer even be considered a fucking tracker.. /sigh.

Just to be clear I'm not trying to say CSG is evil either, heck I don't even think Awakened is, but the fact of the matter is that the enforcement of the raid rules are stupidly arbitrary and anyone slinging mud in either guilds direction is missing the bigger picture.

Is your argument that there's a conspiracy among the GMs to unfairly punish A/A / not punish CSG, so you never actually petition us but we will just have to take your word for it that CSG members are training, griefing, and ninja looting your members on a weekly basis? I just want to make sure I have this straight.

[Nexii]

https://i.imgur.com/1G1dWnp.gif

the real answer is spawn length variance. socking is like cancer, you can't stop it without killing or maiming the host.

namaste

Isn't that what I said? Quake only pops would end variance. The middle ground of zero variance would probably still encourage a lot of cheating like FTE racing did, but it wouldn't be as bad as what we have now.

[Mytral]

Every week we have people from CSG kiting, training, ninjalooting our mobs, griefing our members mid raid and on and on.. but hey A/A are the evil evil people.



So that's where all that extra lewt is coming from.

[Mead]

https://i.imgur.com/B7YQRKC.jpg

Just found this on netflix

[skarlorn]

Classic mead meme posting merry Xmas dude

[Mead]

Classic mead meme posting merry Xmas dude

Merry Christmas pal

[Jimjam]

Still say the problem isn't the players for the most part. Variance is a failed experiment, never intended for a server like blue P99 that has 5x the active raiders of any same-era live server.

Quakes are the only solution, you can see already the agreements guilds have on quakes are very different than for mobs that mob on variance.

NAh, the real solution is to just delete characters when they reach the end of the classic timeline.

Just nuke them on their third birthday. mwahahah

[Skew]

lol @ Versaggers 15 minute CT kite whilst telling everyone to go fuck themselves.
Probably a 40 day ban if a "shitty human being" like Aikons did that.

[kaev]

lol @ Versaggers 15 minute CT kite whilst telling everyone to go fuck themselves.
Probably a 40 day ban if a "shitty human being" like Aikons did that.

fraps?

[Tru]

Had to read to post #265 to understand that there exists, "the raid rule that you can't be in NToV during the Lady M spawn". Thanks rule poster; i'm sure 95% of pick up raiders had no idea.

----> newly 55, back in eq a year since quit back in 2002 ish; curious about raiding in fixed end game content. Go EQ!

[Lhancelot]

Lhance might have triggered Rivera into a Christmas ban

Serious forumquest exp coming his way with the 25% Holiday exp bonus

Disappointed in Rivera, it's holiday time and all.

I was AFK for a day, come back and find that? Guess his mind aint on holiday spirit, it's filled with homophobic hate and anger.

Really upsetting that an elf has to resort to using that kind of language.

Guess it's true, people show their true colors when they get mad.

[Cecily]

Anyone who raids regularly, keyword there, understands that more than 2 members (aka trackers) past the zone line disqualifies that guild from anything that pops during that time. Very old rule that BDA got nailed for by parking their raid force at Juggs for Trak.

[aaezil]

When Versager kited CT for 15 minutes. Sirken told A/A and CSG that it was either suspend all 3 parties or let the petitions even each other out.

I can't remember the petition that was valid against Awakened, might have been a Koi tracker FTE or a train at zone in, but I do remember the one of ours. We had people who /Qed AFTER a dragon was dead in proximity of it's spawn point in order to swap toons and continue competing in another zone. Apparently this is is a suspandeble (at least if you are A/A). When asked about the multiple people bound at zoneout in ToV or people that camp out there, Sirken replied that "yeah he was about to suspend all the guilds on the server"... K man.

I know some of CSGs members love to waltz around thinking they are spit clean, but I have seen CSG violate the raid rules more than a dozen times, I can imagine our stepsister (Awakened) has too. But ever since we had 5 petitions in vs Awakened where Sirken deemed that for 2 of them the evidence wasn't sufficient enough, so instead of suspending them for the 3 that were good he chose to suspend us for crying wolf.. Ever since that, and since it doesn't really matter to us as we barely see you anyway, we just don't bother petitioning you.

Every week we have people from CSG kiting, training, ninjalooting our mobs, griefing our members mid raid and on and on.. but hey A/A are the evil evil people.

Fun fact we spend every second of every raid worrying about if we did anything wrong with these horribly unclear raid rules. Nothing matters more to us than to abide by the raid rules as it's our raison d'etre. This should give you an idea of how hard it is to to navigate in the current set of rules.

We once had a tracker exit the zone and zone back in an hour later and help with the pull.. BAM suspened. What is it Sirken always says "The spirit of the rules", pretty sure that goes against the spirit as the tracker had no hand in obtaining the legal FTE and as of having exited the zone and zoned back in would no longer even be considered a fucking tracker.. /sigh.

Just to be clear I'm not trying to say CSG is evil either, heck I don't even think Awakened is, but the fact of the matter is that the enforcement of the raid rules are stupidly arbitrary and anyone slinging mud in either guilds direction is missing the bigger picture.

can't imagine actually being this out of touch...

Scary stuff man

[Argh]

Anyone who raids regularly, keyword there, understands that more than 2 members (aka trackers) past the zone line disqualifies that guild from anything that pops during that time. Very old rule that BDA got nailed for by parking their raid force at Juggs for Trak.

BDA was the first, but Lord Bob has been suspended for this before as well (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152357).

[Nexii]

NAh, the real solution is to just delete characters when they reach the end of the classic timeline.

Just nuke them on their third birthday. mwahahah

All our moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain

[Whirled]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7A_hOda5uc

[Tru]

"Anyone who raids regularly, keyword there, understands that more than 2 members (aka trackers) past the zone line disqualifies that guild from anything that pops during that time. Very old rule that BDA got nailed for by parking their raid force at Juggs for Trak."

Curious how this rule came to be, b/c isn't half the fun of EQ being that there you are, with your group(s) in a zone exp'ing away, and you know a cool target may pop at some time, and there you are when it pops, so yay you go fight. This rule seems to be quite the exact opposite - if you're in a zone when your hoped for mob pops then FU get out. This surprises me mucho.

Is the reason this rule came to be the following: were some guilds perma camping certain targets to the exclusion of others? Turn taking was just not seen to be a noble thing compared to getting the loots for your peeps? Guild membership was seen as "team topteam is best so we get it all"?

If yes, would a time out after guild engage mob (say, a month) be a work around? If xyz guild kills xyz mob then they are done with that mob for abc amount of time.

The effect of this would be similar to a ban without the shade. Perhaps. Probably it has been suggested/tried/examined...has it?

A bit more history for those of us who are interested, new to raiding, wondering why "play nice" is hard to make happen.

I suppose I get that some ppl like to compete, so that being first, getting the best ==== keeping the next guy down. That's how some ppl see competition. ??? Thanks for any and all history and insight relative to that history.

[Lhancelot]

A bit more history for those of us who are interested, new to raiding, wondering why "play nice" is hard to make happen.



Greed of players plain and simple.

When you start talking dragon pixels, there are players who's greed show no boundaries. Players early on found ways to cheat other players out of their dragon pixels using exploits or just dirty play.

To try to reel in these players, rules were made.

The same greedy neckbeard players found loopholes and new ways to exploit around the rules, so then more rules are made.

This pattern seems to have continued since p99 raiding came into existence, and so you got what we have now.

Some people blame the staff but in all honesty it's not staff it's 100% player-made problems culminating from greed.

It's sad because it's just fucking pixels.

[branamil]

Greed of players plain and simple.

When you start talking dragon pixels, there are players who's greed show no boundaries. Players early on found ways to cheat other players out of their dragon pixels using exploits or just dirty play.

To try to reel in these players, rules were made.

The same greedy neckbeard players found loopholes and new ways to exploit around the rules, so then more rules are made.

This pattern seems to have continued since p99 raiding came into existence, and so you got what we have now.

Some people blame the staff but in all honesty it's not staff it's 100% player-made problems culminating from greed.

It's sad because it's just fucking pixels.

He was looking for specific examples. If you’re going to post 80 times per day you could at least be insightful.

Personally I think this rule is too draconian. If you are past the zone line when it spawns you should not be able to engage for X number of hours. 1, 4, whatever. In the old days, a 1 hour lock after obtaining FTE was deemed sufficient time to prepare. Why is 1 hour not sufficient to steal a mob from a raid that camped too close? I mean make it 2 or 4 hours. I don’t see how a permanent DQ does anything other discourage dungeon crawling and give any contenders a free loot piñata. If it was designed for Trakanon then it’s outdated, there’s only 1 FTE in sebilis but several or dozens in velious zones

[Argh]

Curious how this rule came to be

It's the latest iteration of a rule that moved the scene of poopsocking away from mobs' spawn point. When there was no rule like this, 100+ bozos would sit on a mob's spawn point spamming attacks/abilities/clickies/petattack to get fte/kill it.

When regulating only that you couldn't be on the spawn point, it led to areas like poop mountain (on trak), where the nerd herd simply huddled one hundred feet away from the mobs spawn point.

This rule now where you can only have two bozos passed the zone line now means there is an invisible 'starting line' where pullers have to start from once the mob spawns. Anyone beyond the starting line before a mob spawns is considered a tracker. You can have two trackers in use at a time, and they can only track--not assist in the pull.

Of the poopsocking meta games, this iteration is not the worst.

[Heebs13]

He was looking for specific examples. If you’re going to post 80 times per day you could at least be insightful.

Personally I think this rule is too draconian. If you are past the zone line when it spawns you should not be able to engage for X number of hours. 1, 4, whatever. In the old days, a 1 hour lock after obtaining FTE was deemed sufficient time to prepare. Why is 1 hour not sufficient to steal a mob from a raid that camped too close? I mean make it 2 or 4 hours. I don’t see how a permanent DQ does anything other discourage dungeon crawling and give any contenders a free loot piñata. If it was designed for Trakanon then it’s outdated, there’s only 1 FTE in sebilis but several or dozens in velious zones

Yep, it sucks. Triplets are all sitting up last I heard and no one wants to try them for fear of missing out on the rest of ToV in the event of a quake.

[fastboy21]

"Anyone who raids regularly, keyword there, understands that more than 2 members (aka trackers) past the zone line disqualifies that guild from anything that pops during that time. Very old rule that BDA got nailed for by parking their raid force at Juggs for Trak."

Curious how this rule came to be, b/c isn't half the fun of EQ being that there you are, with your group(s) in a zone exp'ing away, and you know a cool target may pop at some time, and there you are when it pops, so yay you go fight. This rule seems to be quite the exact opposite - if you're in a zone when your hoped for mob pops then FU get out. This surprises me mucho.

Is the reason this rule came to be the following: were some guilds perma camping certain targets to the exclusion of others? Turn taking was just not seen to be a noble thing compared to getting the loots for your peeps? Guild membership was seen as "team topteam is best so we get it all"?

If yes, would a time out after guild engage mob (say, a month) be a work around? If xyz guild kills xyz mob then they are done with that mob for abc amount of time.

The effect of this would be similar to a ban without the shade. Perhaps. Probably it has been suggested/tried/examined...has it?

A bit more history for those of us who are interested, new to raiding, wondering why "play nice" is hard to make happen.

I suppose I get that some ppl like to compete, so that being first, getting the best ==== keeping the next guy down. That's how some ppl see competition. ??? Thanks for any and all history and insight relative to that history.

Its a horribly thick and unnatural rule...resulting in a mini-game played out called FTE. Watching this shit actually makes the classic in me die a little death everytime I watch two idiots scramble like its the special olympics 500m dash to win pixels.

[Lhancelot]

He was looking for specific examples. If you’re going to post 80 times per day you could at least be insightful.

Personally I think this rule is too draconian. If you are past the zone line when it spawns you should not be able to engage for X number of hours. 1, 4, whatever. In the old days, a 1 hour lock after obtaining FTE was deemed sufficient time to prepare. Why is 1 hour not sufficient to steal a mob from a raid that camped too close? I mean make it 2 or 4 hours. I don’t see how a permanent DQ does anything other discourage dungeon crawling and give any contenders a free loot piñata. If it was designed for Trakanon then it’s outdated, there’s only 1 FTE in sebilis but several or dozens in velious zones

I quoted part of what he wrote (did you not bother reading that?) and clearly I addressed why the play nice policy doesn't work here.

Comprehension lacking I guess? He didn't specifically ask only for an example. Nice (non)witty insult though, nerd. :)

[Mendo]

The tracker rule made perfect sense in Kunark where dragons can be instabdead within seconds of spawning.

[Nexii]

Greed of players plain and simple.

When you start talking dragon pixels, there are players who's greed show no boundaries. Players early on found ways to cheat other players out of their dragon pixels using exploits or just dirty play.

To try to reel in these players, rules were made.

The same greedy neckbeard players found loopholes and new ways to exploit around the rules, so then more rules are made.

This pattern seems to have continued since p99 raiding came into existence, and so you got what we have now.

Some people blame the staff but in all honesty it's not staff it's 100% player-made problems culminating from greed.

It's sad because it's just fucking pixels.

The problem isn't extreme greed. Most of the people across both hardcore and casual guilds are not bad people. The problems come from competition/overpopulation and the scarcity model of EQ.

I do primarily blame the server staff for the mess that P99 raiding is. The raid rules are set by the staff not the players. On the whole they haven't been well thought out or considered if the goal is to have a healthy raid scene with both hardcore and casual guilds getting a take of the pixels. For that matter I can't see how the server rule set is easy or fun for the GMs themselves to administer.

If you actually raided you'd know how inane a lot of them are. Perhaps this is half the issue, the GMs don't raid as they aren't allowed to (conflict of interest). Most of the input is from the 1% neckbeards and the rules are very twisted to cater to the worst kinds of behavior.

The tracker FTE rule would have barely made sense in Kunark let alone Velious. It creates a bunch of toxic side effects for any zone with more than one raid target. There's a huge incentive to pull everything to the zone in to avoid being permanently DQed. This in turn makes guilds train each other often unintentionally. That's not to mention all the inanity regarding being DQed simply for exping in a zone while a boss happened to pop.

[Nexii]

Ths glory that would unfold if they removed the 2 fracker rule. You'd have 200 neckbeards huddled in Vulaks room during his window and they'd keep the 6 Drakes down, all while spam clicking Vulak's spawn point. Send out some DA runners to clear paths to Lords and Ladies as they spawn and single pull dragons back onto the bridge to kill them.

At least then the entrance may be safe.

I think the no camping out on bosses rule has to stay. The meta shouldn't be who has the best autofire macro and/or ping.

[Erati]

Ths glory that would unfold if they removed the 2 fracker rule. You'd have 200 neckbeards huddled in Vulaks room during his window and they'd keep the 6 Drakes down, all while spam clicking Vulak's spawn point. Send out some DA runners to clear paths to Lords and Ladies as they spawn and single pull dragons back onto the bridge to kill them.

At least then the entrance may be safe.

If anyone ruins EQ its this guy ^ we should make a thread about everything hes ruined on p99!

ill start...

Dald is responsible for everyone forced to EQUIP their PoM flowers just to use. WHY!!

[Chanto]

Versager's Epic CT kite as mentioned...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwc9qgaCxLs

@ 4:20 can see train is assisted on Versager kiteing with Low HP agro
@ 4:40 Versager claims he is not kittens or so, and he knows the game! ( Ouch sorry kittens )
@ 5:00 Versager admits to kiteing as he continues to kite!

This went on for about another 10 minutes after this fraps ends

Versager is an officer of europa the only kinda guild that would openly kite raid mobs and brag about it as they do it! You wouldn't pull moves like this without some type of petition ward activated...

Wonder what happen to aikons if he pulled this move?

:)

[Lhancelot]

The problem isn't extreme greed. Most of the people across both hardcore and casual guilds are not bad people. The problems come from competition/overpopulation and the scarcity model of EQ.

I do primarily blame the server staff for the mess that P99 raiding is. The raid rules are set by the staff not the players. On the whole they haven't been well thought out or considered if the goal is to have a healthy raid scene with both hardcore and casual guilds getting a take of the pixels. For that matter I can't see how the server rule set is easy or fun for the GMs themselves to administer.

If you actually raided you'd know how inane a lot of them are. Perhaps this is half the issue, the GMs don't raid as they aren't allowed to (conflict of interest). Most of the input is from the 1% neckbeards and the rules are very twisted to cater to the worst kinds of behavior.

The tracker FTE rule would have barely made sense in Kunark let alone Velious. It creates a bunch of toxic side effects for any zone with more than one raid target. There's a huge incentive to pull everything to the zone in to avoid being permanently DQed. This in turn makes guilds train each other often unintentionally. That's not to mention all the inanity regarding being DQed simply for exping in a zone while a boss happened to pop.

I respect your perspective and how you put your thought on the matter here.

But when players exploit rule set after rule set after rule set, how is this admin's fault?

If players actually honored any sort of PnP, the crap that goes on wouldn't happen in the first place.

Every infraction that occurs is because some greedy neckbeard nerd is not following guidelines.

Every time rules are set down, players work to find ways to exploit the rules or find ways around them thus forcing the hand of admin to create more rules. It's similar to how anti-virus programmers and virus creators interact. The programmer constantly is having to adapt and change because the virus creators always are looking and finding ways to work around the anti-virus programmers anti-virus programs.

I don't need to be an active raider now to understand one huge component to the problems in the raid scene is player greed.

I was in a raid guild 2 different times, and during the last 3 month stint got to see enough within that guild to understand players raiding often times are in the guild only for themselves and are extraordinarily greedy. It was so annoying I no longer wanted to log my toons in while in that guild.

I am objective enough to understand this mentality is possessed by top tier raid guilds as well, and this is why you have players constantly trying to cheat their way to get pixels before other guilds can, it's greed that fuels them not poorly made raid rules that are in effect.

Players need to take responsibility and stop trying to pretend all the problems within the raid scene is caused by admin or bad rule sets. No one is making these players do what they do except themselves ffs.

[Argh]

The tracker FTE rule would have barely made sense in Kunark let alone Velious.
I think the no camping out on bosses rule has to stay.

It's the same rule, and it made plenty of sense during Kunark.

[kotton05]

The barrier of entry is so vast any new guild will be rule lawyered away..

[Fasttimes]

The barrier of entry is so vast any new guild will be rule lawyered away..

petition already in, enjoy your 7 days

[Argh]

The real barrier of entry is variance.

[Nexii]

I respect your perspective and how you put your thought on the matter here.

But when players exploit rule set after rule set after rule set, how is this admin's fault?

If players actually honored any sort of PnP, the crap that goes on wouldn't happen in the first place.

Every infraction that occurs is because some greedy neckbeard nerd is not following guidelines.

Every time rules are set down, players work to find ways to exploit the rules or find ways around them thus forcing the hand of admin to create more rules. It's similar to how anti-virus programmers and virus creators interact. The programmer constantly is having to adapt and change because the virus creators always are looking and finding ways to work around the anti-virus programmers anti-virus programs.

I don't need to be an active raider now to understand one huge component to the problems in the raid scene is player greed.

I was in a raid guild 2 different times, and during the last 3 month stint got to see enough within that guild to understand players raiding often times are in the guild only for themselves and are extraordinarily greedy. It was so annoying I no longer wanted to log my toons in while in that guild.

I am objective enough to understand this mentality is possessed by top tier raid guilds as well, and this is why you have players constantly trying to cheat their way to get pixels before other guilds can, it's greed that fuels them not poorly made raid rules that are in effect.

Players need to take responsibility and stop trying to pretend all the problems within the raid scene is caused by admin or bad rule sets. No one is making these players do what they do except themselves ffs.

There's a lot of petitions in the grey area of the rules. Many aren't ruled on one way or another as they are inconclusive.

As well unintentional violations. Do you think Lord Bob intended to violate the convoluted tracker FTE rule? Or say you're on a COTH mage and you get trained, congratulations you're in violation of tracker FTE! I guess you're greedy for trying to COTH your guild and save some time.

Wouldn't expect a very casual/non-raider to understand the scene. All I see here is a lot of wishing that everyone was as virtuous a white knight as you.

[Skew]

Versager's Epic CT kite as mentioned...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwc9qgaCxLs

@ 4:20 can see train is assisted on Versager kiteing with Low HP agro
@ 4:40 Versager claims he is not kittens or so, and he knows the game! ( Ouch sorry kittens )
@ 5:00 Versager admits to kiteing as he continues to kite!

This went on for about another 10 minutes after this fraps ends

Versager is an officer of europa the only kinda guild that would openly kite raid mobs and brag about it as they do it! You wouldn't pull moves like this without some type of petition ward activated...

Wonder what happen to aikons if he pulled this move?

:)

lol. 20 day guild ban and 30 day player ban if Aikons did that. Shitty human beings eh !?

[Rivera]

I respect your perspective and how you put your thought on the matter here.

But when players exploit rule set after rule set after rule set, how is this admin's fault?

If players actually honored any sort of PnP, the crap that goes on wouldn't happen in the first place.

Every infraction that occurs is because some greedy neckbeard nerd is not following guidelines.

Every time rules are set down, players work to find ways to exploit the rules or find ways around them thus forcing the hand of admin to create more rules. It's similar to how anti-virus programmers and virus creators interact. The programmer constantly is having to adapt and change because the virus creators always are looking and finding ways to work around the anti-virus programmers anti-virus programs.

I don't need to be an active raider now to understand one huge component to the problems in the raid scene is player greed.

I was in a raid guild 2 different times, and during the last 3 month stint got to see enough within that guild to understand players raiding often times are in the guild only for themselves and are extraordinarily greedy. It was so annoying I no longer wanted to log my toons in while in that guild.

I am objective enough to understand this mentality is possessed by top tier raid guilds as well, and this is why you have players constantly trying to cheat their way to get pixels before other guilds can, it's greed that fuels them not poorly made raid rules that are in effect.

Players need to take responsibility and stop trying to pretend all the problems within the raid scene is caused by admin or bad rule sets. No one is making these players do what they do except themselves ffs. hahaha. my goodness you dont give up :D

[Nexii]

It's the same rule, and it made plenty of sense during Kunark.

How would it have made sense? You can't even exp in a zone like Sebilis or KC while a boss is in window or your guild is permanently DQed when it pops? Even if you all zone out and join the raid starting at the zone line? What new player is going to intuitively understand this?

No, it was stupid. It was a hacked around way of solving a problem. The problem being that variance on a per-mob basis was a bad design idea from the outset, and there weren't programmatic ways of solving the issue.

The tracker rule and no camping on bosses aren't the same rule. You could have zero trackers allowed and force players back to the zone in upon repop. Tracking shouldn't even be a thing, as its equivalent to socking.

[Pokesan]

If anyone ruins EQ its this guy ^ we should make a thread about everything hes ruined on p99!

ill start...

Dald is responsible for everyone forced to EQUIP their PoM flowers just to use. WHY!!

pras daldaenquest

[Argh]

The tracker rule and no camping on bosses aren't the same rule.

It is, literally, the same rule.

Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.

via raid.php (https://www.project1999.com/raid.php)

GMs have just further clarified this rule to expand what a raid spawn location is to basically everything except the zoneline. Through Rogean's clarification (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136183), and suspensions to BDA (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136235) and Lord Bob (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152357)

[Nexii]

It is, literally, the same rule.



via raid.php (https://www.project1999.com/raid.php)

GMs have just further clarified this rule to expand what a raid spawn location is to basically everything except the zoneline. Through Rogean's clarification (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136183), and suspensions to BDA (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136235) and Lord Bob (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152357)

I'm saying you can have a 'no camping on bosses' rule and not allow trackers. Is that hard to understand?

Regardless none of this would exist with variance eliminated in place of quakes & automated succor. No reason not to, aside from the minor disruption to players in the zone. But with advance warning I don't see it as a big deal. Most players on quake are going to be doing something other than exping even in a casual guild.

[skarlorn]

The real barrier to entry is not looking as cool as warriors with epics

[Rivera]

The real barrier to entry is not looking as cool as warriors with epics the first and only epic I got on live. was so fucking proud of myself, even though it was late luclin. :D

[Nexii]

Variance is classic. Not going anywhere although windows should be roughly 3 times as long. :)

True but P99 server pop is way higher than any classic. I'm pretty sure there wasn't enough endgame players on live servers to sock through the variance windows

[skarlorn]

If my penis was roughly three times as long it would be almost two feet in length and while that sounds great it really doesn't help anyone out and I'd just pass out from getting an erection.

Hope this helps you understand why you should give away all plat, delete tooons, and mace quest

[Linksfather]

Fun fact we spend every second of every raid worrying about if we did anything wrong with these horribly unclear raid rules. Nothing matters more to us than to abide by the raid rules as it's our raison d'etre. This should give you an idea of how hard it is to to navigate in the current set of rules.

This is truth right here. I also believe this is a core truth that gets overlooked by Sirken and the rest of the P99 community.

I can only speak for Aftermath but im going to assume Awakens has the same conversations in TS.

[skarlorn]

What about my penis commentary

[Lhancelot]

What about my penis commentary

If your pecker would be nearly 2 feet long if it were 3 times the actual length it is now you have a relatively average if not smaller than average appendage between your legs.

Nothing wrong with that, just sayin'.

***Supposedly girth is what matters most to people when placing value on the dimensions of a pecker.

[Mead]

I like where this thread is headed

[skarlorn]

24 inches / 3 = 8

Average in what world? The Kongo?

That said my girth is just average

[Ravager]

If your pecker would be nearly 2 feet long if it were 3 times the actual length it is now you have a relatively average if not smaller than average appendage between your legs.

Nothing wrong with that, just sayin'.

***Supposedly girth is what matters most to people when placing value on the dimensions of a pecker.
Those stats can be fudged. It all comes down to mass.

[Lhancelot]

24 inches / 3 = 8

Average in what world? The Kongo?

That said my girth is just average

Take a straw from Burger King. Hold it next to your pecker. If the straw is longer, you have a smaller than average pecker.

[skarlorn]

Well I don't go to burger King but I did measure my pecker as a teenager so I can use the queens instead of your ghetto ass straw measurement

Ur obviously wrong and brain dead and unfortunately I can only fuck u deep but not extra thicc as this is my own limitation

[Lulz~Sect]

Woke

[Mead]

I want to say the average male penis is about 5.5 inches

You got me by half an inch big daddy

Lhance you reside in Detroit?

[Lhancelot]

Well I don't go to burger King but I did measure my pecker as a teenager so I can use the queens instead of your ghetto ass straw measurement

Ur obviously wrong and brain dead and unfortunately I can only fuck u deep but not extra thicc as this is my own limitation

So it's safe to say you don't use magnums I guess? There's ways to improve your girth btw, just look it up on the internets my fair thin man.

Anyway, you can use whatever straws you want I am pretty sure they all the same length whether they from a Detroit Burger King or an uppity restaurant like The Little Door, or wherever you go to eat.



Lhance you reside in Detroit?

No. :)

[skarlorn]

I don't need a bigger dick just like the raid scene doesn't need longer variance

That's the whole point

Wtf dude

[Lhancelot]

I don't need a bigger dick just like the raid scene doesn't need longer variance

That's the whole point

Wtf dude

You were all over the place dude... You convoluted your point about raid rules and made it hard to follow as soon as you started talking about your pecker. :rolleyes:

[Ravager]

If you're comparing your genitalia to the raid scene here, your junk is probably smelly and ungroomed.

[Lhancelot]

If you're comparing your genitalia to the raid scene here, your junk is probably smelly and ungroomed.

well, that's disgusting. :(

[raato]

Versager's Epic CT kite as mentioned...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwc9qgaCxLs

@ 4:20 can see train is assisted on Versager kiteing with Low HP agro
@ 4:40 Versager claims he is not kittens or so, and he knows the game! ( Ouch sorry kittens )
@ 5:00 Versager admits to kiteing as he continues to kite!

This went on for about another 10 minutes after this fraps ends

Versager is an officer of europa the only kinda guild that would openly kite raid mobs and brag about it as they do it! You wouldn't pull moves like this without some type of petition ward activated...

Wonder what happen to aikons if he pulled this move?

:)

Looks like Versager is kiting a train while rest of the raid is recovering from wipe? And Aikons dropping CT in to the kite (FTE at 1:28, no new FTE ever).

Did CSG concede CT after that or did they kill it? Or did he just kite it so CSG could recover from the wipe and leave the zone?

And btw Versager isnt Europa, he is officer of Omni.

[Lhancelot]

Looks like Versager is kiting a train while rest of the raid is recovering from wipe? And Aikons dropping CT in to the kite (FTE at 1:28, no new FTE ever).

Did CSG concede CT after that or did they kill it? Or did he just kite it so CSG could recover from the wipe and leave the zone?

And btw Versager isnt Europa, he is officer of Omni.

Whatever he was doing it was the right thing to do.

Omni > all

One of the real true good guy guilds on the server.

Omni is a feeder guild to AW btw, which explains why AW has so many good-natured and well-mannered players.

[SamwiseRed]

just put everything on a 6 minute timer

[lctucker2999]

just put everything on a 6 minute timer

Instant repop that respawns on the corpse of the last one, so kill it as many times as you want, and figure out how to do loot while there is perpetually a raid boss on top of you :)

Once Guild A gets tired next guild up =D

[Bones]

Aikons dropping CT in to the kite (FTE at 1:28, no new FTE ever).

;)

[Nexii]

I recall when an unscheduled downtime or maintenance was to occur Verant would give a 15 or 30 minute warning. Perhaps someone should bug report an amendment to the simulated repop program.

What was an average downtime? We can simulate that too

[Phatez]

Make variance equal to the respawn timer of the mob. This makes every mob always in window.

[skarlorn]

'almost' so at best we are talking a foot and a half...6 inches when divided by 3. But internet lies so really more like 3.5 inches total. Basically Skarlorn suffers from micro penis and has confirmed this to all of forum quest. beta cuck

Solid post here guys glad I can always rely on Spyder to pull thru when u start asking me to measire my dick vs hamburger straws

[skarlorn]

This entire thread cements and affirms my suspicions about the blue server. Grown adults, can't even agree on how to share a game they all play together. Just a friendly reminder, inner city and rural children have better negotiation skills with sharing a basketball court or baseball field vs. the raiding population of blue.


Come to red. End of story. The only drama we have is based around the occasional PvP. It's not a big deal, and there's fun to it. This thread has almost 18,000 views and 200+ comments. After reading through a chunk of the responses, nothing is going to change. The big issue is that a portion of players want to be the entitled few. And when I say entitled few, I mean, these players will play EQ as much, whenever needed, to get their goods and prevent others from following in their foot steps.

This has been a terrible part of the EQ game. It's why I chose Red over blue when I decided to jump into P99. I find it more fair on Red than I did on live, and by the comments here, than most people would on blue.

I say this right now to all the frustrated players in this thread. Come to the open arms of red. It's a fair environment, that much I can promise. Between 9 and 11pm EST, you can usually find me on my main, Baritune. Or just send a message to any member of the Sanctuary guild and ask to speak with me. Try rolling a new character with us, feel out the server, and if you like it, then I can offer an invite to the guild. :)
This guy thinks any of us actually want blue to change


We love this shitshow

[lctucker2999]

Just a friendly reminder, inner city and rural children have better negotiation skills with sharing a basketball court or baseball field vs. the raiding population of blue..

I disagree. In the inner city they'll cap your ass for stepping on the wrong court. Which is the rl version of eq pvp

[Lhancelot]

Solid post here guys glad I can always rely on Spyder to pull thru when u start asking me to measire my dick vs hamburger straws

Hey, I give you solid advice on how to see if you measure up and you show no appreciation!

Also, spyders new avatar rocks. It's like a zombified Jerry Jones I love it.

[Detoxx]

Vote with your feet dummies.

How'd that work out for ya chest? You really showed them!

[skarlorn]

How'd that work out for ya chest? You really showed them!

Solid dunk

[RedXIII]

Aikons dropping CT in to the kite (FTE at 1:28, no new FTE ever).

Aikons doing shady shit again? Aftermeth officer? oh boy... i am shocked. They try do these things everytime on every encounter. Glad more people are noticeing it.

Can't wait for p99 GM's start to ban players and not guilds. Would make these assholes think twice before they put in risk their year of hard working pixels gear.

[Mead]

Aikons doing shady shit again? Aftermeth officer? oh boy... i am shocked. They try do these things everytime on every encounter. Glad more people are noticeing it.

Can't wait for p99 GM's start to ban players and not guilds. Would make these assholes think twice before they put in risk their year of hard working pixels gear.

amen brother

[Fragged]

Aikons doing shady shit again? Aftermeth officer? oh boy... i am shocked. They try do these things everytime on every encounter. Glad more people are noticeing it.

Why are you like this Henrique?

If I have done something to offend you I'm sorry.

[Legday]

On the Nev/Lady M thing, can't CSG just play the "we don't know the rules yet" defense? Seems to work for any non-A/A guilds.

[Skew]

On the Nev/Lady M thing, can't CSG just play the "we don't know the rules yet" defense? Seems to work for any non-A/A guilds.

The "we dont know the rules therefore they dont apply to us" defense is right up their with the Chewbacca defense. CSG used it to good effect every time they pulled in a competitive manner in VP.
Aikons youre a shitty human being and dont you forget it.

[Lammy]

Looks like Papa Sirken prescribed your medicine just in time.

http://www.fox8live.com/story/37141803/video-game-addiction-to-be-classified-as-mental-illness

[Linksfather]

Why are you like this Henrique?

If I have done something to offend you I'm sorry.


Its just Liberal fake news Aikons. He just buys into what he thinks is the "cool trend". Its like the raid scene on P99. They have this false perception of truth thats been fed into them so long that they start to believe its true.

[Fasttimes]

Its just Liberal fake news Aikons. He just buys into what he thinks is the "cool trend". Its like the raid scene on P99. They have this false perception of truth thats been fed into them so long that they start to believe its true.

To be fair w/e guild you are in. You think you are innocent and the other guild is cheating bastards that won't listen or play fair. It's pretty goofy.

[Linksfather]

To be fair w/e guild you are in. You think you are innocent and the other guild is cheating bastards that won't listen or play fair. It's pretty goofy.

I support Awaken and Aftermath equally in this statement. Spend a raid cycle in one of those guilds teamspeak someday. you will have a different perspective.

[Fasttimes]

I support Awaken and Aftermath equally in this statement. Spend a raid cycle in one of those guilds teamspeak someday. you will have a different perspective.

I have been in both. This is ramen btw links

[Tenderizer]

To be fair w/e guild you are in. You think you are innocent and the other guild is cheating bastards that won't listen or play fair. It's pretty goofy.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[skarlorn]

Aikons is Bae

[tylercanuck]

I've never heard Aikons raise his voice.

Unless Snapcaster is in TS.

[Linksfather]

I have been in both. This is ramen btw links

There is obviously a misunderstanding. I was speaking on the general public perception against Awaken and Aftermath with my original statement.

[Skew]

Aikons is lovely.
Some folk find him to be a shitty human being though for simply using ingenious and legal game mechanics to try to aid his guild despite the utterly shitty raid rules that have been created here.

Circlet of Shadow - Crown of Rile - Amulet of Nercopotence - Redwood Wand - what will be 2018s item added to the list of retrospective non-classic rule making? Im going to go with shiny brass idols and earing of frozen shadow. MOAR RULES!

[mattydef]

P99 is basically a big open museum that anyone is welcome to explore. 90% of the museum is available to everyone at anytime but 10% are special walled off sections that only a certain amount of people can be in at a time. Instead of people being considerate and sharing this experience with others, you have unique individuals that decide they're going to pack into this area and not let anyone else enjoy it. They can sometimes be seen standing at the entrance mocking the others with insults like "HA, too slow losers" or "get gud noobs!" while high fiving one another.

[branamil]

Aikons is lovely.
Some folk find him to be a shitty human being though for simply using ingenious and legal game mechanics to try to aid his guild despite the utterly shitty raid rules that have been created here.

Circlet of Shadow - Crown of Rile - Amulet of Nercopotence - Redwood Wand - what will be 2018s item added to the list of retrospective non-classic rule making? Im going to go with shiny brass idols and earing of frozen shadow. MOAR RULES!

Eye of Zomm, Lull, and Rune I am sure will all be illegal at some point because a certain special someone can't just let classic things be classic but gets hard sticking his tiny idiot dick where it doesn't belong.

[Nexii]

Eye of Zomm, Lull, and Rune I am sure will all be illegal at some point because a certain special someone can't just let classic things be classic but gets hard sticking his tiny idiot dick where it doesn't belong.

Lull pulling already illegal

[Freakish]

Where is that in the rules?

[Skew]

Betting eye-pulling gets added to the non-written restrospective Skype rule-book eventually.
Sell those beads whilst you can!

[Rivera]

man sirken is really getting shit on in here, holy fuck

[Freakish]

So, I come in. <THE BEST> wants to attempt a dragon that we saw spawn in the middle of the night that nobody else happens to be tracking. I click my AoN, slowly flop my way up to NTOV and get ready to rez my mage and coth my raid force in. We use a paladin to lull / split the dragon from his trash. Paladin dies because that's his job.

How many rules did I just break?

[Linksfather]

So, I come in. <THE BEST> wants to attempt a dragon that we saw spawn in the middle of the night that nobody else happens to be tracking. I click my AoN, slowly flop my way up to NTOV and get ready to rez my mage and coth my raid force in. We use a paladin to lull / split the dragon from his trash. Paladin dies because that's his job.

How many rules did I just break?

5 I think

[Cecily]

So, I come in. <THE BEST> wants to attempt a dragon that we saw spawn in the middle of the night that nobody else happens to be tracking. I click my AoN, slowly flop my way up to NTOV and get ready to rez my mage and coth my raid force in. We use a paladin to lull / split the dragon from his trash. Paladin dies because that's his job.

How many rules did I just break?

Possible past zone in tracking (this assumes <The Best> has more than 2 people online), AoN in ToV, parking corpse in vicinity of raid target?

2 or 3.

[deezy]

From one community leader to another

pablo escobar was also a community leader

[Pokesan]

Eye of Zomm, Lull, and Rune I am sure will all be illegal at some point because a certain special someone can't just let classic things be classic but gets hard sticking his tiny idiot dick where it doesn't belong.

whats his number

[Tupakk]

pablo escobar was also a community leader

And he did some fine work in his hay day.

[Linksfather]

Possible past zone in tracking (this assumes <The Best> has more than 2 people online), AoN in ToV, parking corpse in vicinity of raid target?

2 or 3.

Don’t forget to add that fact that you petitioned the guild for breaking the rules which in itself is a suspendable act so that’s also a rule being broke

[Freakish]

Oh I definitely yelled concede as I moved to my dragon. A lot. Is that breaking a rule?

[Sirken]

http://i.imgur.com/IQPGqEo.gif

[Heebs13]

So, I come in. <THE BEST> wants to attempt a dragon that we saw spawn in the middle of the night that nobody else happens to be tracking. I click my AoN, slowly flop my way up to NTOV and get ready to rez my mage and coth my raid force in. We use a paladin to lull / split the dragon from his trash. Paladin dies because that's his job.

How many rules did I just break?

The trash in ToV is too high level for lull or pacify. Good luck with that split.

[branamil]

The trash in ToV is too high level for lull or pacify. Good luck with that split.

lol.

[Visual]

Just fear kite the adds

[Nexii]

The trash in ToV is too high level for lull or pacify. Good luck with that split.

Lull isn't used to split it's used to pull while not in line of sight

[Skew]

If no one else is in the zone.. None, because no crybaby bitches were there to whine about not getting their alt any loot.


Not true. Forsaken/Asgsrd ate a ban back in the day on a Klandicar of all mobs for being in the zone when it popped and no one else was in WW :confused: :eek:(rampage were engaged in Kael iirc)
Its pointless thinking about raid rules too much as theyre applied so inconsistantly. Whenever staff feel like the top two guilds need a ban theyll find a reason even if that reason wasnt applied before or after (esp to casual guilds)

[Heebs13]

Lull isn't used to split it's used to pull while not in line of sight

That's not what his post says though.

[kotton05]

Lots of accusations but where is the PROOOOFFFFF

i think what ruins EQ is not having the PROOOOFFFF!

[Mead]

I hate to be that guy; however, reading this bullshit makes me really appreciate not being a part of this raid scene anymore

What a shit show

This is the equivalent to AIDS

[Linksfather]

Not true. Forsaken/Asgsrd ate a ban back in the day on a Klandicar of all mobs for being in the zone when it popped and no one else was in WW :confused: :eek:(rampage were engaged in Kael iirc)
Its pointless thinking about raid rules too much as theyre applied so inconsistantly. Whenever staff feel like the top two guilds need a ban theyll find a reason even if that reason wasnt applied before or after (esp to casual guilds)

This ^^ I wish the staff would care enough to recognize how obvious this is.

[branamil]

Not true. Forsaken/Asgsrd ate a ban back in the day on a Klandicar of all mobs for being in the zone when it popped and no one else was in WW :confused: :eek:(rampage were engaged in Kael iirc)

That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

[Heebs13]

Lull isn't used to split it's used to pull while not in line of sight

I hate to be that guy; however, reading this bullshit makes me really appreciate not being a part of this raid scene anymore

What a shit show

This is the equivalent to AIDS

But AIDS keeps you from having sex and will eventually kill you.

Oh.

[Heebs13]

But AIDS keeps you from having sex and will eventually kill you.

Oh.

Okay I want to know what bug gave me a double quote there.

[Mead]

But AIDS keeps you from having sex and will eventually kill you.

Oh.

:D

[jakerees]

We can't all get 100% of what we want 100% of the time, however, if you were to lower standards to like 70% at the most a lot of stuff will start opening up to you. Like this one time in Oasis I was in a group trying to get every I mean EVERY croc and it just couldn't happen and I have seen some crocodiles at like zoos before so I know some basic things about crocodiles; like you know how to tell the difference between crocodiles and alligators is that one you see after a while and the other you see later, but we didn't get 100% croc satisfaction and then a bard came through power leveling a group and they got pretty much 100% of the crocodile satisfaction from that point on plus everything else in the zone so I guess if you want 100% of everything you just have to roll a bard but I gotta say the mechanics are kind of messed up because I've tried running around singing in RL and it didn't heal anyone or hurt my enemies not even with a sweet lute. I think I might have run faster with some drums once though. Hey would it ruin EQ if every toon on the server was a bard? Think about it that would be weird but also perhaps we would be in perfect harmony ok so when the new server pops up they should only let people make bards is what I think about that

[Gorillas]

This thread shows how shitty the raiding is here

[Gorillas]

That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

Pretty pathetic incident to commit to long term memory. Very dumb

[Skew]

That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

If i could be arsed ill think about the top 5 dumbest raid rulings to hit TMO/Forsaken/Aftermath. Theyre all as bad.
Im sure IB/Rampage/Awk folk can also come up with some equally absurd rulings.

Listen , if you want to enjoy p99 , you have to enjoy the quirky staff. 95% of what they do is A1 top notch job and an absolute necessity for a healthy server. The other 5% i think is just a case of lack of understanding coupled with Tall poppy syndrome and within reason can be tolerated.
Staff should probably take a back seat from being judge-jury-executioner to the raid scene though as they simply dont understand the nuance and minutiae of it all.

[Nexii]

I think that the staff mostly understand how raiding works. The problem is more that you have staff in too many roles at once...there's just one role defined and that's "GM". Not enough segregation of duty.

There should be one staff member who liaises with players in various guilds and writes up the raid rules. And a different staff member (or a few, let's face it interpreting disputes is more work) to enforce those rules strictly as written. Much like how in government you separate out the administrative branch from the judicial.

[fastboy21]

I think that the staff mostly understand how raiding works. The problem is more that you have staff in too many roles at once...there's just one role defined and that's "GM". Not enough segregation of duty.

There should be one staff member who liaises with players in various guilds and writes up the raid rules. And a different staff member (or a few, let's face it interpreting disputes is more work) to enforce those rules strictly as written. Much like how in government you separate out the administrative branch from the judicial.

Except pretty that would require a couple dozen or so honest members of our community with the intelligence and integrity to perform those duties. They don't exist.

We're lucky we have what we have the amount of honest GMs we do.

[rebeccablack]

am I to understand that csg and lord bob are the only two options for casual dragonslaying at this time on p99

truly dark days if so

[Skew]

I think that the staff mostly understand how raiding works. The problem is more that you have staff in too many roles at once...there's just one role defined and that's "GM". Not enough segregation of duty.

There should be one staff member who liaises with players in various guilds and writes up the raid rules. And a different staff member (or a few, let's face it interpreting disputes is more work) to enforce those rules strictly as written. Much like how in government you separate out the administrative branch from the judicial.


Dude , the idea of different branches of government not being coopted and corrupted by one another died when Al Gore invented the internet. Get woke mate before it gets shut down and u blame ur neighbour for no more MMORPGs.

[Nexii]

Except pretty that would require a couple dozen or so honest members of our community with the intelligence and integrity to perform those duties. They don't exist.

We're lucky we have what we have the amount of honest GMs we do.

That's pretty cynical. It hasn't been tried.

[Phenyo]

Dude , the idea of different branches of government not being coopted and corrupted by one another died when Al Gore invented the internet. Get woke mate before it gets shut down and u blame ur neighbour for no more MMORPGs.

woke

[skarlorn]

Trump is president of p99

[fastboy21]

That's pretty cynical. It hasn't been tried.

You apparently don't know much about the server's history.