10/10 in my lap

[Lulz~Sect]

model type
Of
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[Lulz~Sect]

security threaten d to confiscated my phone

Real aerudiete tslk

[Eslade]

Need pics to compare it vs my Friday

[khanable]

model type
Of
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security threaten d to confiscated my phone

Real aerudiete tslk


this guy thinks the strippers like him

l 0 l

[Argh]

Security at a strip club couldn't even prevent you from posting to elf-sim message board. Bravo, your commitment to shit-posting is unparalleled.

[Pokesan]

nice relapse

[Pokesan]

VERY bald

[Tupakk]

Jesus John. 2017 had not been kind to you.

[Lhancelot]

VERY bald

He does it right, at least he isn't holding onto his hair with a combover. Lulz I thought you were younger, like 25-30. Are you over 40?

[Zal22]

Finally lost the hat.

Step 2 buy a second pair of pants.

[Muggens]

Are u Johan Golden?

[Mead]

she has super cute ball chin

[Shrubwise]

Lulz comes to RnF with a bait post.
Number of angry replies in thread: 9
Number of Lulz posts in thread: 3

Lulz 9, RnF 3

Lulz wins this round by k/o

[Comoc1]

10/10 for Lulz
5.5/10 for everyone else

[Samaritan]

Pras that, Lulz.

[Mead]

I was just making an observation, as I tend to do. I want nothing more than to login to these forums and see lulz in the strip club bathroom taking mirror shots with its employees.

[Lhancelot]

I had a coworker who I worked with for over 10 years, we became very good friends. For years we would talk "man talk," you know... share our weekend stories and sexcapades with women we had met at the club, at the park, online, etc.

Over the years I usually found myself in relationships whereas my friend had a steady GF but he would cheat and meet other ladies on the side, so his stories were usually more entertaining and he also was more apt to share details whereas I always felt like what I did with my partner deserved more privacy.

After working with him for about 7 years, I found out he was actually gay and all his stories about women were in fact not women but men. My first question to him was why lie to me all of those years, when in fact I never would have judged him or cared that he was gay in the first place? Why create this elaborate lie that revolved around his "girl friend" and all these "girls" he was meeting on weekends in hotels etc.?

I was disappointed in my friend not because he was gay, but because he didn't trust that I would accept him for who he really was. I was confused, and sad that someone like my friend could not just be himself, and in this day and age there are still some men and women who feel that they still have to hide that they are gay.

Will our society ever fully accept others regardless of their sexualities? Will men and women ever be able to fully live their lives as they want without prejudice?

[jarlerop]

Are u Johan Golden?

HAHAHA tenkte det samme.

[indiscriminate_hater]

My gay friend tells me about guys he fucks all the time. We’re getting there

[Lhancelot]

My gay friend tells me about guys he fucks all the time. We’re getting there

Yeah I think it's a matter of my friend being older. I think the younger people are a little more open generally speaking but I am sure there's still some who stay in the closet.

[AzzarTheGod]

No one really cares about gay/straight anymore. If you want to use another mans orifices to achieve orgasm, go for it. You can't use another man to reproduce though.

born gay doesn't exist

Agree. Its a choice and its a lifestyle thing. Some are more gay than others, but its ultimately a lifestyle that more men tend to get drawn into as they approach older age.

[Lulz~Sect]

Forgot I posted this thread whoops 😬

[Supreme]

I had a coworker who I worked with for over 10 years, we became very good friends. For years we would talk "man talk," you know... share our weekend stories and sexcapades with women we had met at the club, at the park, online, etc.

Over the years I usually found myself in relationships whereas my friend had a steady GF but he would cheat and meet other ladies on the side, so his stories were usually more entertaining and he also was more apt to share details whereas I always felt like what I did with my partner deserved more privacy.

After working with him for about 7 years, I found out he was actually gay and all his stories about women were in fact not women but men. My first question to him was why lie to me all of those years, when in fact I never would have judged him or cared that he was gay in the first place? Why create this elaborate lie that revolved around his "girl friend" and all these "girls" he was meeting on weekends in hotels etc.?

I was disappointed in my friend not because he was gay, but because he didn't trust that I would accept him for who he really was. I was confused, and sad that someone like my friend could not just be himself, and in this day and age there are still some men and women who feel that they still have to hide that they are gay.

Will our society ever fully accept others regardless of their sexualities? Will men and women ever be able to fully live their lives as they want without prejudice?

I was going to say something gay.

Buttfuck it.

[Supreme]

Agree. Its a choice and its a lifestyle thing. Some are more gay than others, but its ultimately a lifestyle that more men tend to get drawn into as they approach older age.

Wait..what?

You mean that gay people choose to be shun by family...choose to be judged by society...choose to have all the prejudice and stereotypes assigned with being gay....

Because they choose to be attracted to the same sex?

Let me ask you something....if this is your logic do you choose to only be attracted to the opposite sex?

[Lulz~Sect]

Syft (ATG) is a confused closet case. He's undecided.

[Shrubwise]

Syft (ATG) is a confused closet case. He's undecided.

Wait..what?

You mean that gay people choose to be shun by family...choose to be judged by society...choose to have all the prejudice and stereotypes assigned with being gay....

Because they choose to be attracted to the same sex?

Let me ask you something....if this is your logic do you choose to only be attracted to the opposite sex?

No Supreme, you see, as a male approaches older age, it is a lifestyle choice he gets "drawn into"

[Lojik]

Thread made me mad. 10/10

[Check12345]

Dennis Ritchie Av

Hey I bumped into that guy at work about 20 years ago.

[Lulz~Sect]

he deserved more fame than jobs for sure, i'm raTHEr fond of this photo of him and hung it up in more than one server room :o

https://i.imgur.com/OLuHqUC.jpg

[Supreme]

No Supreme, you see, as a male approaches older age, it is a lifestyle choice he gets "drawn into"

That is very subjective..

[Lulz~Sect]

Cool and normal posting

😬

[Lhancelot]

Cool and normal posting

😬

What happened to the original pics? Did this thread get ninja nerfed?

[Lulz~Sect]

(notatroll.jpg)

[AzzarTheGod]

Yeah they do choose that path. You're acting like being gay has it's own fucking gene or some shit. Humans live to reproduce, and we always will unless we achieve some state of evolution in which we become sentient orbs that reproduce asexually or achieve immortality.

*daps MTB*

Which is why South Korea labels anything gay as sex addiction. They are the only country that got it right. There are no natural born gays.

ITT gay identities get upset they are making an active decision to get bullied.

[Pokesan]

(notatroll.jpg)

https://i.imgur.com/EZs6fZU.png

[AzzarTheGod]

*daps MTB*

Which is why South Korea labels anything gay as sex addiction. They are the only country that got it right. There are no natural born gays.

ITT gay identities get upset they are making an active decision to get bullied.

shots fired im back n clappin

[Lhancelot]

There are no natural born gays.

https://i.imgur.com/45hRAJN.gif

[AzzarTheGod]

https://i.imgur.com/45hRAJN.gif

thats a transgender. if u on that real gay steez ur just born in the wrong body



bang bang yea clap gang in the place

[AzzarTheGod]

wiggleroom its time to form the trifecta MTB, WIGGLES, ATG let's go in on this gay biz n double back just like a rewind yea n we sippin on this lean like tea time

[Lulz~Sect]

ah so ATG made his choicE
I don’t judge

[skarlorn]

I haven't had a 10/10 in my lap this week so I'd like to call Lulz a fucking bitch lying fucker

[Lhancelot]

thats a transgender. if u on that real gay steez ur just born in the wrong body



bang bang yea clap gang in the place

I'd like to hear more from people that can relate better tbh. I am not gay.

I only had one gay friend comfortable enough to discuss sexuality with me and all he told me was ever since he could remember, he was gay. This was ages ago and I was too young to go much deeper than that on the topic, and lost that friend over time so really never had an opportunity to go further into it.

[Lulz~Sect]

That’s the #elfpal nudes broad

(sorry u mad)

[Mead]

I'd like to hear more from people that can relate better tbh. I am not gay.

I only had one gay friend comfortable enough to discuss sexuality with me and all he told me was ever since he could remember, he was gay. This was ages ago and I was too young to go much deeper than that on the topic, and lost that friend over time so really never had an opportunity to go further into it.

We got lots of experts around here

One of them should be able to enlighten you

[Lhancelot]

We got lots of experts around here

One of them should be able to enlighten you

I will just have to take Azzar's explanation as the gospel.

[AzzarTheGod]

I will just have to take Azzar's explanation as the gospel.

a wise choice. many powerful elves learn from this particular druid.

[d3r14k]

Our entire evolutionary purpose is to propagate our species. The moment homosexuality or transsexualism became some kind of social fixation was a huge misstep.

I agree with almost everything you said, but to play devil's advocate here...

How relevant is the above quoted text today? This taken from a Williams Institute report estimate (which is a few years old, and admittedly only taken in the U.S. rather than a global estimate):

"It is estimated that 3.8 percent of Americans identified as gay/lesbian, bisexual, or transgender: 1.7 percent as lesbian or gay, 1.8 percent as bisexual, and 0.3 percent as transgender."

Even if this number has risen in the last few years since the study / report, this is less than 10% of the U.S. population. With population growth in the country and the world expanding so rapidly to the point of creating a bubble, is it really so detrimental if 10% of the population aren't reproducing? If anything, I view this as a good thing.

[Lhancelot]

I think the nature in which I present my ideas may often come off as quite bigoted/xenophobic/sexist. I have no problem whatsoever with humans doing as they choose to their bodies. Whether that be drugs, sex change, suicide, etc. I care even less when humans choose to fornicate or live romantically with the same sex.

What I most certainly DO care about is when people try to use science as a scapegoat for their own bullshit choices. For someone to declare that they were "born this way" when they were clearly born with either an XY or XX chromosome is an insult to science. To see some man claim he is a woman while his testicles flail about is an insult to science.

Regarding sexuality. From the minute a man's testicles drop and he has his first wet dream, his seed is destined to fertilize an egg. It doesn't matter if this man wastes his seed upon another man's anus. Why should it matter? It doesn't. What DOES matter is if the man claims he was born gay.

One may argue that homosexuality is evolution's way of population control. I disagree. Humans have been using the same sex to achieve orgasm since the beginning of mankind. Those same humans who participated in bisexuality still lived on to reproduce. One could certainly argue the point that all humans are innately bisexual, but the entire concept of sexuality doesn't really matter.

Our entire evolutionary purpose is to propagate our species. The moment homosexuality or transsexualism became some kind of social fixation was a huge misstep.

I see your perspective and appreciate you elaborating on it. I still have some questions though.

Regarding science, I don't feel it's insulting to science when a man says "I was born gay." You have to admit, that even science has not fully solved all the mysteries of this life and outside of it, or at least I should say MAN has not unraveled all the mysteries with science.

For instance, sure, all the reasons you explain as to why it's not possible for a man or woman to say "I was born gay" makes sense if you only take the physical evidence that we as humans so far understand about the male and female bodies.

What we as people do not fully know or understand is what is in the brain regarding thought processes and other even more complicated facets to the body that we know nothing about at all.

You can't say we have fully figured out the human body, and thus it's impossible to say a man or woman cannot be born gay, when in fact we do NOT fully understand everything about the human bodies particularly the brain which ultimately controls our behavior.

How can we say a gay man or woman are not born that way when in fact their brains dictate what instinctual behaviors they have? I mean they were born with their brains structured the way they are, right? I don't understand how you can say that.

Yes, they have working parts, a penis, balls that drop and seed that shoots but this doesn't prove a man is not born gay when there are more facets to human physiology than just the reproductive system. This only proves that physically they were born as a man this has nothing to do with their psychological makeup.

I realize there are some men or women that "choose" to be gay, and the only examples I can think of are porn stars that do "gay for pay" and/or individuals that choose to do so for other reasons but typically this behavior is short lived, spur of the moment, or done for some highly calculated reason.

When my friend told me he was born gay, I did not question it. When he told me that since he could remember he was gay, it was a natural feeling for him even though it was awkward for him because he understood it was not "normal" according to the narrative life presented him with in his household by his family and it wasn't until he was a full adult he was able to accept the fact that he was indeed gay and there was nothing he could do to change that. This is not making a choice to be gay, as a small child he didn't think to himself "I want to be gay!" He never even understood such a thought at that point in his life...

I just think we have barely touched the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what we understand about the human body, especially the brain. I also view much of how the brain works as a mystery to scientists thus rendering us extremely ignorant on things such as why we have always had homosexuals, bisexuals, transgenders etc. I can't view it as an insult to science when someone says they were born gay, I just can't.

[maskedmelon]

I think the nature in which I present my ideas may often come off as quite bigoted/xenophobic/sexist. I have no problem whatsoever with humans doing as they choose to their bodies. Whether that be drugs, sex change, suicide, etc. I care even less when humans choose to fornicate or live romantically with the same sex.

What I most certainly DO care about is when people try to use science as a scapegoat for their own bullshit choices. For someone to declare that they were "born this way" when they were clearly born with either an XY or XX chromosome is an insult to science. To see some man claim he is a woman while his testicles flail about is an insult to science.

Regarding sexuality. From the minute a man's testicles drop and he has his first wet dream, his seed is destined to fertilize an egg. It doesn't matter if this man wastes his seed upon another man's anus. Why should it matter? It doesn't. What DOES matter is if the man claims he was born gay.

One may argue that homosexuality is evolution's way of population control. I disagree. Humans have been using the same sex to achieve orgasm since the beginning of mankind. Those same humans who participated in bisexuality still lived on to reproduce. One could certainly argue the point that all humans are innately bisexual, but the entire concept of sexuality doesn't really matter.

Our entire evolutionary purpose is to propagate our species. The moment homosexuality or transsexualism became some kind of social fixation was a huge misstep.

so you are sexually attracted to men or man parts, but because you do not engage in sexual acts with other men, you're not gay? is that the argument? you're still gay (or bisexual) if that's the case.

I agree with almost everything you said, but to play devil's advocate here...

How relevant is the above quoted text today? This taken from a Williams Institute report estimate (which is a few years old, and admittedly only taken in the U.S. rather than a global estimate):

"It is estimated that 3.8 percent of Americans identified as gay/lesbian, bisexual, or transgender: 1.7 percent as lesbian or gay, 1.8 percent as bisexual, and 0.3 percent as transgender."

Even if this number has risen in the last few years since the study / report, this is less than 10% of the U.S. population. With population growth in the country and the world expanding so rapidly to the point of creating a bubble, is it really so detrimental if 10% of the population aren't reproducing? If anything, I view this as a good thing.

freeloaders on man's evolutionary path, hoarding their genetic diversity to theyselfs ;n; truly reprehensible...

[Pokesan]

I see your perspective and appreciate you elaborating on it. I still have some questions though.

Regarding science, I don't feel it's insulting to science when a man says "I was born gay." You have to admit, that even science has not fully solved all the mysteries of this life and outside of it, or at least I should say MAN has not unraveled all the mysteries with science.

For instance, sure, all the reasons you explain as to why it's not possible for a man or woman to say "I was born gay" makes sense if you only take the physical evidence that we as humans so far understand about the male and female bodies.

What we as people do not fully know or understand is what is in the brain regarding thought processes and other even more complicated facets to the body that we know nothing about at all.

You can't say we have fully figured out the human body, and thus it's impossible to say a man or woman cannot be born gay, when in fact we do NOT fully understand everything about the human bodies particularly the brain which ultimately controls our behavior.

How can we say a gay man or woman are not born that way when in fact their brains dictate what instinctual behaviors they have? I mean they were born with their brains structured the way they are, right? I don't understand how you can say that.

Yes, they have working parts, a penis, balls that drop and seed that shoots but this doesn't prove a man is not born gay when there are more facets to human physiology than just the reproductive system. This only proves that physically they were born as a man this has nothing to do with their psychological makeup.

I realize there are some men or women that "choose" to be gay, and the only examples I can think of are porn stars that do "gay for pay" and/or individuals that choose to do so for other reasons but typically this behavior is short lived, spur of the moment, or done for some highly calculated reason.

When my friend told me he was born gay, I did not question it. When he told me that since he could remember he was gay, it was a natural feeling for him even though it was awkward for him because he understood it was not "normal" according to the narrative life presented him with in his household by his family and it wasn't until he was a full adult he was able to accept the fact that he was indeed gay and there was nothing he could do to change that. This is not making a choice to be gay, as a small child he didn't think to himself "I want to be gay!" He never even understood such a thought at that point in his life...

I just think we have barely touched the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what we understand about the human body, especially the brain. I also view much of how the brain works as a mystery to scientists thus rendering us extremely ignorant on things such as why we have always had homosexuals, bisexuals, transgenders etc. I can't view it as an insult to science when someone says they were born gay, I just can't.

your argument is god-of-the-gaps, but for science. very pious!

[Pokesan]

btw that's my tinder name

[Lhancelot]

Why is Lhance always jumping at any opportunity to talk about Man vs Man animal sex.

Also, didn't read due to autistic wall of text and Lhance's status as a beta cuck

One second I post on every thread, now I only post in gay threads. Make up your mind.

Also I need to understand better what a "beta cuck" is. Please explain so I can confirm or deny if this is in actuality the truth.

[Lulz~Sect]

https://i.imgur.com/8aPzRJD.png

[Lhancelot]

Nature Vs Nurture.

Since you are so keen in using your friend as an anecdote, might I inquire briefly upon your friend's childhood? Can you remember anything about his parents or family? Social status? Income? Was there anything indicating he may have had a bad relationship with his father, or if he was ever touched by a weird uncle, cousin, or father? Was there anything indicating he was particularly closer to the women in his family than the men?

I think that people overplay the notion that many gay people have existed since the beginning of time, and that gays are something that has been around forever. Yes, people had sexual relations with the same sex, there is no doubt about that. It is very likely that Shakspeare had countless sexual relations with men, but he still reproduced and had children. Many imbeciles today claim Shakespeare was some kind of flamboyantly gay man.

Humans love to feel as if they are a part of something. It makes them feel comfortable inside. It makes them feel loved. I think that initially gay culture started as an act of public degeneracy. It was a way to be "weird" or "stick it to the man" no pun intended. A good example of this would be Mick Jagger, Iggy Pop, David Bowie all having sexual relations with each other. Those men had sex with other men solely for the sake of degeneracy, and sexual lust. It wasn't because those men cared romantically about the men they were reaming.

It's not that I am "so keen" to use my friend as anecdote, it's just really the only connection I have to this topic.

To answer you, he indicated nothing traumatic occurred in his childhood that would turn him gay. He never told me that he always spent time around his mom and aunts turning him gay. he never told me he had been abused by a bad uncle thus turning him gay. By all accounts he grew up in a much more stable household than I did, his parents even remained married unlike mine.

I can't ask him more detailed questions because this friendship was one from literally 20 years ago and I lost touch with him quite some time ago.

Anyway, I don't think we know nearly enough to draw concrete conclusions as to what forms our sexuality and why some people are gay. We definitely don't know all of the secrets of science regarding how the human brain works etc.


TL;DR


If a gay man or gay woman says "I was born this way," I won't think differently because there simply is no such proof indicating this is not true.

It's not an insult to science when we lack the science to prove they indeed were not born that way.

What is in someone's brain has nothing to do with a person's physiological body so having a penis and balls doesn't prove that a gay man wasn't born gay.

[skarlorn]

a gay guy at my gym did his gay little look at me this morning 2 c if i was also gay 4 him but i just did the bitchy thing and let my eyes slide over him and then smirk as i walked away in my speedo jammer to finish out my morning routine with some free style and breast stroke

[Raavak]

"It is estimated that 3.8 percent of Americans identified as gay/lesbian, bisexual, or transgender: 1.7 percent as lesbian or gay, 1.8 percent as bisexual, and 0.3 percent as transgender."
America is only a small part of the world. What is the percentage of gays in, say, Saudi Arabia?

If its the same then its probably genetic.

[Lhancelot]

I disagree completely. I think that because we see the world in two vastly different paradigms we are incapable of understanding each other.

See you at the next pride march.

I respect that. ^

It's rare you have a conversation with someone else and they acknowledge that sometimes people (us) simply see things in such a different light there is no middle ground to be had.

Glad you go to pride marches, I never been to one I should probably go to one though now that you made me think of it.

[Pokesan]

lhance, being gay isn't a handicap.

[Lhancelot]

lhance, being gay isn't a handicap.

never said that. :)

[skarlorn]

lhance, being gay isn't a handicap.

[Pokesan]

never said that. :)

it's implied by your argument

[Lhancelot]

it's implied by your argument

https://i.imgur.com/8E83zzn.gif

[maskedmelon]

i am choosing to wake up 4'10" tomorrow morning. will let you know how it pans out.

[hyejin]

a gay guy at my gym did his gay little look at me this morning 2 c if i was also gay 4 him but i just did the bitchy thing and let my eyes slide over him and then smirk as i walked away in my speedo jammer to finish out my morning routine with some free style and breast stroke

This is a good post and all but let's talk about how it hurts my feelings when you tell me gay is a choice

[Beastagoog]

well everything in life is a choice, do I want pizza this morning? yes/no?

do I want to dick dive another man? yes/no?

do I need to justify my dick diving of another man by using loose based examples of animals in the wild? yes/no?

do I wake up today and cut my penis off and wear dresses? yes/no?

[Beastagoog]

They literal execute homosexuals as pagans and sinners in the middle east so I would imagine the 'official' number is 0% gay.

Part of the reason the middle east sees America as evil is because (to an extent) we encourage homosexuality and let our children pick if they want to be boy or girl. This behavior is not tolerated over seas

This is true, but oddly enough it's culturally acceptable that men fuck little boys. They seem to only dislike it it when men fuck men.

It's a very weird region.

[Lhancelot]

They literal execute homosexuals as pagans and sinners in the middle east so I would imagine the 'official' number is 0% gay.

Part of the reason the middle east sees America as evil is because (to an extent) we encourage homosexuality and let our children pick if they want to be boy or girl. This behavior is not tolerated over seas

How does one pick being a boy or a girl?

[Lhancelot]

A guy like Lhance goes to Saudi Arabi and he leaves with 200 lashings and his hands cut off. Look it up

Been to Saudi Arabia, left totally unharmed. You wrong as usual. look it up.

[hyejin]

desperately shooshes shrieking, swarthy infant of 9 years w/ trembling hands.

ready for u to explain ur deviancy, freak

runs pale fingers thru curly black hair, momentarily pacifying the adorable rascal child, who is nature's greatest gift and also her most pleasant smell

its verry dangerous to mix sex up with strange fetishisms & I don't want my beautiful boy growing up in world where everyone is doing that sort of thing. now convince me u would be humping other male hyenas if u were a male hyena.

[Pokesan]

https://i.imgur.com/8E83zzn.gif

idgi? :confused:

[Lhancelot]

lol I like it. ^

[Phenyo]

well everything in life is a choice, do I want pizza this morning? yes/no?

do I want to dick dive another man? yes/no?

do I need to justify my dick diving of another man by using loose based examples of animals in the wild? yes/no?

do I wake up today and cut my penis off and wear dresses? yes/no?

[skarlorn]

it is my opinion that one is not born gay. One can be born into a body which has a high chance of being gay. I believe that the deal is sealed during the first several years of the child's life and largely revolves around masculine power dynamics with the men of their family.

[Lhancelot]

a gay guy at my gym did his gay little look at me this morning 2 c if i was also gay 4 him but i just did the bitchy thing and let my eyes slide over him and then smirk as i walked away

https://i.imgur.com/Tj69TRa.gif

[AzzarTheGod]

This is true, but oddly enough it's culturally acceptable that men fuck little boys. They seem to only dislike it it when men fuck men.

It's a very weird region.

its because the quran literally says that its the greatest pleasure in the world.

i dont really care about islam, but i know enough to know it references "great pleasure" from the anus of **** (can't even really repeat a verse from the quran on this forum lol). And yes, it makes specific reference to sodomy. Most ppl have no idea how much shit is being suppressed about this quaran nonsense.

[AzzarTheGod]

it is my opinion that one is not born gay. One can be born into a body which has a high chance of being gay. I believe that the deal is sealed during the first several years of the child's life and largely revolves around masculine power dynamics with the men of their family.

*daps ATG wisdom*

[Lulz~Sect]

Just come outta the closet already bud 😏

[hyejin]

is azzar eminem or dr dre?

[hyejin]

Azzar is more like Wesley Willis
nice ref!

lol at the notion that any of the random fucked up shit in the bible / quran / your religious text of choice is at all "suppressed" you can find that shit anywhere. the problem is the most devout often have no idea what their magic book actually says beyond what they use to confirm their own beliefs
didnt read this sad post!

[loramin]

Where'd you get your degree in biology from MTB? Because someone who cares about science so much must know a whole lot about it right? Or at least about the biology of human reproduction? It couldn't possibly have anything to do with ignorance and homophobia ...

What I most certainly DO care about is when people try to use science as a scapegoat for their own bullshit choices. For someone to declare that they were "born this way" when they were clearly born with either an XY or XX chromosome is an insult to science. To see some man claim he is a woman while his testicles flail about is an insult to science.

Regarding sexuality. From the minute a man's testicles drop and he has his first wet dream, his seed is destined to fertilize an egg. It doesn't matter if this man wastes his seed upon another man's anus. Why should it matter? It doesn't. What DOES matter is if the man claims he was born gay.

Let's start with the X/Y chromosomes: you have lots of other chromosomes (22 in fact) and they all impact all sorts of different things about your body. While the X/Y genes do determine gender, that does not magically give them a monopoly on all things we consider sexual. Furthermore even those genes are not that simple, and it's not like every baby is born a binary male/female. 1 in 1500 babies born are not clearly one gender or the other (http://www.bbc.com/news/health-14459843).

On top of that, not all of "what you are born with" comes from your genes. You get all plenty of other stuff from your mother too like her microbiome (bacteria). As it turns out science has proven that your birth circumstances do determine your sexuality (http://www.newsweek.com/born-way-why-having-older-brother-makes-men-more-likely-be-gay-745467), as they found that men are statistically more likely to be gay the more older brothers they have. And that's not "how many brothers they lived with", as adopted siblings had no effect: it only mattered how many boys came out of your mom before you did.

Obviously that's not a function of the X/Y chromosomes or even of DNA, but it is definitely a product of birth.

[hyejin]

As it turns out science has proven that your birth circumstances do determine your sexuality (http://www.newsweek.com/born-way-why-having-older-brother-makes-men-more-likely-be-gay-745467), as they found that men are statistically more likely to be gay the more older brothers they have.

quoted the part where i made a snorting sound upon mouseover

[Lulz~Sect]

Can we go back to talking about the 10/10 in my lap? 😚

[Pokesan]

1 in 1500 babies born are not clearly one gender or the other (http://www.bbc.com/news/health-14459843).



the transgender movement is rendering swamp donkeys extinct.

and you applaud

[skarlorn]

Can we go back to talking about the 10/10 in my lap? 😚

lulz i TOLD u not to talk about me on the forums like that

[Lulz~Sect]

https://i.imgur.com/DZTXhmC.gif

[maskedmelon]

you know, the Y chromosome is actually pretty small and a lot of "male" traits are a result of gene expression on the X chromosome. The only things the Y chromosome is really responsible for are turning genitals inside-out, producing many mini-gnawers & receding hair lines.

HRT demonstrates that MOST of what we consider man/woman from secondary sex traits to behavior, is physiological. yeah xy almost always means one is male (has a Y chromosome and is capable of producing sperm), but in cases of complete androgen insensitivity, people develop as females with normal female genetalia. They are genetically male, but phenotypically female.

[Lulz~Sect]

http://i.imgur.com/R3iMkIV.gif

[maskedmelon]

https://i.imgur.com/i8UDGSj.gif

[AzzarTheGod]

Azzar is more like Wesley Willis

smilin hard

[Lhancelot]

TLDR = he is saying transgender people are “born” that way.

What’s sad is you really believe that.

So what's the truth then?

[Rick Sanchez]

OP is a drug addict

[maskedmelon]

TLDR = he is saying transgender people are “born” that way.

What’s sad is you really believe that.

no, that's not what i said. we were talking about homosexuality as a choice and function of sex. i was illustrating variations in biology and the importance of physiology independent of genetic sex, which support to the idea that homosexuality is not a choice.

we can discuss your point too though if you liek. im relatively indifferent to your pity though because I suffer dually from dunning-kruger and confirmation bias :3

[tylercanuck]

TLDR = he is saying transgender people are “born” that way.

What’s sad is you really believe that.

Stop acting like an old geezer from the south, you bigot.

[Pokesan]

Stop acting like an old geezer from the south, you bigot.

https://www.bemidjipioneer.com/news/4387530-transgender-inmates-request-poses-quandary-cass-county-nd-officials

[maskedmelon]

https://www.bemidjipioneer.com/news/4387530-transgender-inmates-request-poses-quandary-cass-county-nd-officials

there's nothing wrong with denying that guy's request or denying him entry to a public restroom. the idea that some people may be born with inclinations associated with a sex opposite their own does not mean that everyone who claims such disposition is truthful in their claim or that they should be unreasonably accommodated even if they are.

That guy is a criminal. Whether he is transgender or not is irrelevant. there are a number of reasons why criminals are segregated by sex and they all support keeping him with males. that aside, who gives a fuck what criminals want (particularly violent or abusive ones)? they didn't accommodate their victims desires, why should society accommodate theirs?

[Pokesan]

and lol just lol if you believe being trans/gay is a choice in TYOOL 2018

it's current year

[Lhancelot]

I am not a bigot sir.

But I am from the south. Alabama to be exact, ROLL TIDE!

You dodged the part about being an "old geezer" though.

[tylercanuck]

I am not a bigot sir.

But I am from the south. Alabama to be exact, ROLL TIDE!

TLDR = he is saying transgender people are “born” that way.

What’s sad is you really believe that.


That is sick, it goes to show you what this has come to by our tolerance.

Give them an inch and they take a mile

[Pokesan]

i'd say being an alabama fan is worse than having grumpy opinions

FUCK YOU SPEEDI

[AzzarTheGod]

Btw, what happened to Lulz?

Flew to close to the sun?

try readin the thread flyboy

*slaps Speedi ass*

[Sonderbeast]

I press buttons and communicate to strangers on the world wide web for my amusement.

[AzzarTheGod]

I press buttons and communicate to strangers on the world wide web for my amusement.

lmao

[maskedmelon]

I will act like Melon here ...

"Give it to me baby!"

(^。~)v

[Lhancelot]

Btw, what happened to Lulz?

Flew to close to the sun?

His wings definitely melted though, we just don't know how or why exactly. :D

[Wfrench1234]

Darwin would be pleased to know his corpse evolved to do post Mortum barrel rolls.

[Mead]

Loramin's articles are so far fetched. The first link (though it is falsely referencing gender) even states that as a "disorder".

Second link basically says that if you have older male siblings you are statistically more likely to be gay. Cool.

You clearly didn't read my post. You can have your own beliefs, but don't come waving your painted finger at me preaching a buzzfeed article you arrogant twat. Charles Darwin is turning over in his fucking grave.

I didn't read any of the bullshit you posted in this thread either, but most of the stuff loramin references hurts my head, so I don't

No offense loramin, you seem like an ok guy

[Lhancelot]

I didn't read any of the bullshit you posted in this thread either, but most of the stuff loramin references hurts my head, so I don't

No offense loramin, you seem like an ok guy

I like to read some of Loramin's posts but have trouble sifting through the linked articles he posts sometimes.

Actually I don't like most linked articles people post tbh. Usually the articles are extremely biased and from some extremist site that supports the persons own personal agenda.

I rather read what someone thinks, not what they just read on their favorite extremist website or links to articles from their favorite extremist website.

[loramin]

Wherever there is neofreedomfighter bullshit to be spewed Loramin will find the thread and kindly shit it up. That article was utter horseshit. You should ask Stanford or MIT how they feel about your little theory.

MTB when you say shit you mostly just make it up. Occasionally you say something about science without actually understanding it or providing any sources to back your nonsense up. You still haven't said a single word that disputes any of the claims I raised (which are not my claims, but the claims of the people doing the research).

I've actually taken classes at Stanford; have you? I've worked with PhDs in Biology and discussed topics like this on our way to get coffee in the morning; have you? I read articles about the latest research and scientific breakthroughs on a daily basis (and then I remember and reference them later) so that my opinions are informed by the best information available; do you?

It's fine that not everyone wants to read the references I provide, because they're really not essential. What is essential is that I don't just spew hatred because it was taught to me, I base my well-informed opinions on logic and reason, tempered with a healthy dose of empathy.

Really, Papa said it best:

and lol just lol if you believe being trans/gay is a choice in TYOOL 2018

[Lhancelot]

I wish you guys would be nicer to each other.

[skarlorn]

Jesus man you are a huge faggot. I barfed irl

Lmao hilarious, I aware one forum yellow text you mtb tripper

[loramin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41RciYsbaks
Not sure what that was about. If you're trying to imply something about me you're probably wrong.

Just another millennial or gen x from the glorious shithole known as California. Holds meme degree in computer science and creates countless threads regarding wine/linux mint *cringe*

I am a gen x-er from California, but you're wrong about the rest.

I hope you die and as your corpse rots maggots squirm and wriggle through your eyesockets.

The truth stings doesn't it?

[hyejin]

I've worked with PhDs in Biology and discussed topics like this on our way to get coffee in the morning; have you?

you're honestly a brilliant troll

[hyejin]

i'm truly triggered, like i backspaced a sick burn but there's just no way you're for real. it's excellent work.

[Mead]

I've actually taken no classes at Stanford

[hyejin]

btw anyone with an arbitrarily binary sexuality has made a choice :)

[Jimjam]

You men need to grow the hell up.

Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

[AzzarTheGod]

btw anyone with an arbitrarily binary sexuality has made a choice :)

lol so the whale 50% agrees w me possibly up to 75% agreement

[Lhancelot]

You men need to grow the hell up.

Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

I learned Youtube is primarily a male oriented outlet where as Tumblr is primarily female!

Thanks Jimjam.

[loramin]

You men need to grow the hell up.

Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

Dear god, at first I was like "there's no way I'm going to watch a 30 minute video Jimjam" ... but then I started just to see what it was about and it was like watching a train wreck: I couldn't look away.

Fuck that interviewer! I mean, he had it right when he said she was doing the right thing in general (as an interviewer trying to dig deep in to her subject) but she clearly went in without any understanding of what the guy was about and had only read the worst accusations against him. An intelligent and empathic interviewer who wasn't just trying to win points in an argument could have done a million times better.