Now that raid suspension frequency has gone way up.

[dbouya]

I think the punishments need to be increased. I assume 10 days is designed to ensure losing access to an entire suite of 7 day spawns? Well that no longer seems a risk worth following rules over. Timer on suspensions should probably be moved up to the 15-20day range.


Or at least add a probation period after the current ten day period wherein if you re-offend within a day (like happened) or even a week (like could happen) your next punishment should be doubled? Doubling again each time you break your probation?

[Rivera]

Yes.

But it won't happen.

[Lhancelot]

It's interesting that guild bans are enabling lower tier guilds opportunities to play in these zones as they were meant to be played in. Maybe it is by design the banhammer has been swung so frequently lately. Less drama, less petitions, more proper gameplay as was originally planned for P99. It seems to be a win/win for players and server admin, for now.

[Shinko]

BAN ALL RAIDING GUILDS

[aaezil]

I think the punishments need to be increased. I assume 10 days is designed to ensure losing access to an entire suite of 7 day spawns? Well that no longer seems a risk worth following rules over. Timer on suspensions should probably be moved up to the 15-20day range.


100% fully support

plz implement!

[Lhancelot]

Just make it a month suspension.

That would give lesser guilds time to actually learn how to efficiently gibpull the high tier raid mobs so they could then legitimately "compete" with the monopolizing guilds who are presently devouring all the top tier dragon pixels.

As it stands it really sounds like the lower tier raid guilds are way far behind the curve and need more time to really come together cohesively to be as effective as AM/AW are.

[Champion_Standing]

BAN ALL RAIDING GUILDS

[branamil]

Fix the raiding scene permanently with this one simple trick! Guild leaders hate him!

[Shinko]

also ban TS and discord and Vent and any VOIP programs as cheating

[skarlorn]

raid suspension frequency has gone up

swish post count has gone down

p99 is in a great place!

[Secrets]

Needs to have 7, 14, 30 day, then perma raid suspensions and needs to apply to ability to attack or loot raid mobs for all players in a guild at the time of suspension, tbh.

[Lhancelot]

Needs to have 7, 14, 30 day, then perma raid suspensions and needs to apply to ability to attack or loot raid mobs for all players in a guild at the time of suspension, tbh.

Good thing would be guilds breaking up occasionally when permabanned, this could lead to different shifts in power perhaps.

The suspensions should be longer no doubt. That would give the non-banned raid guilds better opportunities to raid and learn the harder raid encounters.

[Dolalin]

I don't think enough can be said of the fact that server rules right now disadvantage guilds who want to crawl tov. Any other guild can train over their raid force at any time just by /shouting a warning, wiping them. The rules as written have resulted in this "pull everything to zone" phenomenon. A crawl force would be trained to death by A/A in regular play time.

New server rule: no pulling North to zonein or exit. You've gotta crawl the dragons. If you don't like it, tough, that's EverQuest.

[Prismaticshop]

Itt non factors discussing something that never happened in 7 years of p99 and never will

Carry on

[Mistle]

Or just play on a better server.

[branamil]

Yes, ToV is pretty fun when you have it all to yourself. Too bad instances aren't classic. Would also be interesting to see the number of petitions that would be put in if CSG had any competitors.

[Just facts]

I think the punishments need to be increased. I assume 10 days is designed to ensure losing access to an entire suite of 7 day spawns? Well that no longer seems a risk worth following rules over. Timer on suspensions should probably be moved up to the 15-20day range.


Or at least add a probation period after the current ten day period wherein if you re-offend within a day (like happened) or even a week (like could happen) your next punishment should be doubled? Doubling again each time you break your probation?

They haven't, it's just that the staff decided to work on a backlog recently.
And just so you understand how petitions work here, if any guild manage to fool a staff member to think they have a legit petition it's next to zero chance that the staff will go back on a suspension.
So just cause some guild got suspended doesn't = they actually did break a rule.
If they are lucky the staff will remember that they got a bad deal until next time they are in the gray regarding something and then give them a pass.

[Mytral]

Yes, ToV is pretty fun when you have it all to yourself. Too bad instances aren't classic. Would also be interesting to see the number of petitions that would be put in if CSG had any competitors.

Was the entire server banned or just A/A? I find it entertaining that you view the server in such simple terms.

The fact is, in the absence of A/A, many guilds on the server moved up the food chain and got theirs. PS got more than a fair shot on many targets, including many other guilds.

[Lhancelot]

Itt non factors discussing something that never happened in 7 years of p99 and never will

Carry on

People are "non factors" and don't raid thanks to the awful ruleset and shitty attitude of nerds like you.

I don't think enough can be said of the fact that server rules right now disadvantage guilds who want to crawl tov. Any other guild can train over their raid force at any time just by /shouting a warning, wiping them. The rules as written have resulted in this "pull everything to zone" phenomenon. A crawl force would be trained to death by A/A in regular play time.

New server rule: no pulling North to zonein or exit. You've gotta crawl the dragons. If you don't like it, tough, that's EverQuest.

Why is this not made a rule? Why do the present rules encourage training when training aint allowed in all other circumstances? Such an easy fix to stop shitty gameplay that includes training and the instant gratification of taking down dragons in 10 minutes... Which ironically is not classic.

[Prismaticshop]

People are "non factors" and don't raid thanks to the awful ruleset and shitty attitude of nerds like you.
.

Lhancelot
Posts: 2,431

You seem to have plenty of time to be a forum neckbeard tho lol

[Lojik]

How about you're banned until guild performs certain number of hours of "community service" which entails being a junior GM and dealing with petition disputes and IP exemptions and also debugging code or whatever nilbog needs

[Sethius Marlowe]

Yes. Excellent idea.

Give the cheaters a wider scope of morally ambiguous actions.

[skarlorn]

Don't forget to add picking up Ranger dropping before they spoil

[NachtMystium]

p99 is not a place for ideas or changes

[Dolalin]

Part of the idea of forcing the crawl is to burn people out so that they play less. The top end is crowded right now because it's loot candy raining down from heaven: zonein pulls are just too dammed trivial. The same people gear up armies of alts over the course of years.

NToV should be a right pain in the arse that takes at least a full day of active crawling to clear. Casual guilds will do it casually, and hardcore guilds can try their luck at doing it regularly without burning out.

You don't need to make the high end easier, you need to born out the people hogging the top who don't know when to say enough is enough.

[Dolalin]

(lots of autocorrect errors but you get the gist)

[Mead]

20-30 day individual full account suspensions will make people act right. You won't have to suspend an entire guild from raiding. Imagine Henrique not be able to login his account for a full month. Nobody will be fucking up.

[Pokesan]

Or just play on a better server.

[Papa]

it's almost as if the staff have actually said before that punishments would get more severe over time, yet here we are looking at a couple more 10 days :o

[sereal]

Good thing would be guilds breaking up occasionally when permabanned, this could lead to different shifts in power perhaps.

The suspensions should be longer no doubt. That would give the non-banned raid guilds better opportunities to raid and learn the harder raid encounters.

I'd say put in a good behaviour rule (to the GM's discretion ) that banned guilds can lessen their sentence by helping other guilds learn. When these guilds get to know other guilds better they may be far more likely to play nice. I'd bet you're far less likely to train a guild who you helped out in the past, and they are far less likely to report you and work something out if it was unintentional/misunderstanding.


Or maybe they will just be cut throat pixel warriors and eat the suspension. :rolleyes:

[Lhancelot]

20-30 day individual full account suspensions will make people act right. You won't have to suspend an entire guild from raiding. Imagine Henrique not be able to login his account for a full month. Nobody will be fucking up.

Exactly. Smash them hard and either they will shape up or they will wither into nothingness never to be seen again in the game.

Minimum of 30 day suspension handed to the individual that is the dumbass who finds it impossible to follow this set of "rules."

That or fix the shit, make it so it's against the rules to pull mobs across others to the front of the zone, I thought leashing would fix this kind of stuff?

Glad I aint in a raid guild now. :D

[derpcake]

i can't imagine most of A/A not having alts in other guilds by now

OT; grats to the casuals on their ntov succes btw, nice to see

[sereal]

Exactly. Smash them hard and either they will shape up or they will wither into nothingness never to be seen again in the game.

Minimum of 30 day suspension handed to the individual that is the dumbass who finds it impossible to follow this set of "rules."

Or they will just have sacrificial people to do this shit - they eat the ban then get some phat loot for their sacrifice. Even worse they have alts for this purpose. Reason you punish the whole guild is so the guild leaders have incentive to either get their members to shape up or boot them. Instead a suspension is just the price of doing business. :( :( :(

[Lhancelot]

Or they will just have sacrificial people to do this shit - they eat the ban then get some phat loot for their sacrifice. Even worse they have alts for this purpose. Reason you punish the whole guild is so the guild leaders have incentive to either get their members to shape up or boot them. Instead a suspension is just the price of doing business. :( :( :(

Well, then suspend the guild for a month. I don't think it would take many repeat offenses to teach them to behave.

Honestly I think they should just fix the mobs so they can't be exploited. That would eliminate tons of issues and make it much harder for 1-2 guils to diminate the entire server if the raids actually took some time and effort.

The way AM/AW make it sound it literally takes 10-20 mins for each encounter. If that's the case, then no wonder with batphones and proper mobility they are able to dominate so many raid encounters so easily i a short amount of time. How is this not viewed as a problem?

[ErlickBachman]

Just make it a month suspension.

I'm actually surprised that it hasn't reached this level.

[Phenyo]

The way AM/AW make it sound it literally takes 10-20 mins for each encounter. If that's the case, then no wonder with batphones and proper mobility they are able to dominate so many raid encounters so easily i a short amount of time. How is this not viewed as a problem?

Waaaah these guilds are too good nerf pls

[Legday]

I would have to guess that the reason server staff doesn't increase suspension lengths is twofold...1) the rules are pretty grey and the server staff is aware that most of the time their rules are difficult to understand and thus follow, and 99% time there is no malice in whatever rule was supposedly broken. And 2) most of the suspensions handed down (something 10-12 between both A/A in the last 2 years) were for political reasons, such as...letting casuals have their fun without outright forcing a rotation.

Believe me, if Sirken actually felt like we were out here trying to cheat week in and week out, he would up the lengths or disband us.

[Tenderizer]

I would have to guess that the reason server staff doesn't increase suspension lengths is twofold...1) the rules are pretty grey and the server staff is aware that most of the time their rules are difficult to understand and thus follow, and 99% time there is no malice in whatever rule was supposedly broken. And 2) most of the suspensions handed down (something 10-12 between both A/A in the last 2 years) were for political reasons, such as...letting casuals have their fun without outright forcing a rotation.


I would argue more about how they handled punishment early server. If you can recall pre-uthgard vs. post ect.. The days of the server being held hostage for days straight by ddos attacking nerds pissed they got banned is long dead. sure as hell would resurface if some end game elitist got his shit taken away for good with million+ plat/items. Same reason you could buy and sell accounts/stuff before. its all a test of the emergency norrath system

[Alde]

lol this thread is pathetic.

[Maner]

I don't think enough can be said of the fact that server rules right now disadvantage guilds who want to crawl tov. Any other guild can train over their raid force at any time just by /shouting a warning, wiping them. The rules as written have resulted in this "pull everything to zone" phenomenon. A crawl force would be trained to death by A/A in regular play time.

New server rule: no pulling North to zonein or exit. You've gotta crawl the dragons. If you don't like it, tough, that's EverQuest.

It literally took CSG years and multiple suspensions of both guilds to get up the nerve to try and crawl NToV. And even they pulled more than half the dragons to the entrance first.

People are "non factors" and don't raid thanks to the awful ruleset and shitty attitude of nerds like you.



Why is this not made a rule? Why do the present rules encourage training when training aint allowed in all other circumstances? Such an easy fix to stop shitty gameplay that includes training and the instant gratification of taking down dragons in 10 minutes... Which ironically is not classic.

Training has been the rule for 7+ years in VP. Clearly your posting about things you don't comprehend again...

People don't radi due to the misconceptions created by you and the forum trolls like you. I respond to batphones maybe 3 times a month if I am being super active right now, yet I still have enough RA to bid on anything I want in AM. I'm glad that logging in 3 times in 39 days makes me a no life neckbeard though.

[Lhancelot]

Waaaah these guilds are too good nerf pls

Finding loopholes and exploits on a 20 year old MMO isn't a matter of being good. :p

***Anyway, I just like to criticize the worst facet of p99 and see nerds get salty while defending their goodness. :)

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

Finding loopholes and exploits on a 20 year old MMO isn't a matter of being good. :p

***Anyway, I just like to criticize the worst facet of p99 and see nerds get salty while defending their goodness. :)

lol a highly optimized machine that does something more efficiently and better than your guild and you're going to say that doesn't mean anything? for 2000+ posts your shit is pretty bad. since i usually dont read them i'm guessing you're just a huge forum troll on here considering the content seems piss poor on this thread.

[Lhancelot]

lol a highly optimized machine that does something more efficiently and better than your guild and you're going to say that doesn't mean anything? for 2000+ posts your shit is pretty bad. since i usually dont read them i'm guessing you're just a huge forum troll on here considering the content seems piss poor on this thread.

Sorry I hurt your feelings, no reason to get emotional over a few little words I wrote. :p

[Pokesan]

FKP? need a second set of eyes here...

[Maner]

Sorry I hurt your feelings, no reason to get emotional over a few little words I wrote. :p

I don't think you can use that lance. You're the one complaining that they don't "crawl". Not to mention the 2,000+ posts with 1/2+ of them being you complaining...

[Lhancelot]

I don't think you can use that lance. You're the one complaining that they don't "crawl". Not to mention the 2,000+ posts with 1/2+ of them being you complaining...

Your elfpal you defend just sounds like a spoiled little elf who is angry he isn't getting pixels for a week. He will live. So will you too. :)

Guild suspensions: Good for all involved! This is confirmed by some of the reasonable players who are suspended and by guilds able to enjoy classic EQ dragon pixels that they never get to normally.

[Llodd]

I would have to guess that the reason server staff doesn't increase suspension lengths is twofold...1) the rules are pretty grey and the server staff is aware that most of the time their rules are difficult to understand and thus follow, and 99% time there is no malice in whatever rule was supposedly broken. And 2) most of the suspensions handed down (something 10-12 between both A/A in the last 2 years) were for political reasons, such as...letting casuals have their fun without outright forcing a rotation.

Believe me, if Sirken actually felt like we were out here trying to cheat week in and week out, he would up the lengths or disband us.

More likely just really hard to outright prove most of the shady shit that happens.

[kotton05]

Raid petitions don't happen as they come in. They seem happen at all at once since the last round. A guild could see multiple suspension increases before they are even told about the first offense.

Who from CSG wants my fraps of Aftermath training Rustle at Sont? Could prolly get them a 30 day for it. Or Shit I could just petition myself right meow.

[Lhancelot]

Who from CSG wants my fraps of Aftermath training Rustle at Sont? Could prolly get them a 30 day for it. Or Shit I could just petition myself right meow.

Do it for the casuals. :D

[Freakish]

There's something like a 7 day or 30 day window on petitions. Can't petition that, plus they ended up making it right.

[Legday]

More likely just really hard to outright prove most of the shady shit that happens.

Nah

[Comoc1]

Who from CSG wants my fraps of Aftermath training Rustle at Sont? Could prolly get them a 30 day for it. Or Shit I could just petition myself right meow.

Yah you could petition it since I think you’re the only person left in Rustle, which I guess makes you default leadership.

Please do petition this as it was settled out of court at the time of incident. I’d like to see a non-existent guild get a 10 day.

That would take petition quest to a whole new level.

[skarlorn]

Yah you could petition it since I think you’re the only person left in Rustle, which I guess makes you default leadership.

Please do petition this as it was settled out of court at the time of incident. I’d like to see a non-existent guild get a 10 day.

That would take petition quest to a whole new level.

I'm still rustle tagged, I am now the King of Rustle

[Lhancelot]

I'm still rustle tagged, I am now the King of Rustle

You should turn it into a RP guild. Maybe all halflings, or something of the kind.

[maskedmelon]

FKP? need a second set of eyes here...

seconded ^^

[Lammy]

Rustle is on the verge of a major come back tour

[loramin]

Yah you could petition it since I think you’re the only person left in Rustle, which I guess makes you default leadership.

Doesn't Cecilly still have a toon with the Rustle guild tag? And I feel like I've seen a couple others too: the guild might not be back but I'm pretty sure they're not down to only one member either.

[Ashintar]

Doesn't Cecilly still have a toon with the Rustle guild tag? And I feel like I've seen a couple others too: the guild might not be back but I'm pretty sure they're not down to only one member either.

I have at least two <Rustle> tagged characters, no disbanding yet!

[Lammy]

Just the usual summer slow down, now that winter is coming things are brewing

[Cecily]

Doesn't Cecilly still have a toon with the Rustle guild tag? And I feel like I've seen a couple others too: the guild might not be back but I'm pretty sure they're not down to only one member either.

I have a couple tagged still. Damn proud of that tag. Most fun I've ever had in Everquest.

[Fasttimes]

I have a couple tagged still. Damn proud of that tag. Most fun I've ever had in Everquest.

Maximum pixels for least amount of effort. Pras

[Cecily]

Yah you could petition it since I think you’re the only person left in Rustle, which I guess makes you default leadership.

Please do petition this as it was settled out of court at the time of incident. I’d like to see a non-existent guild get a 10 day.

That would take petition quest to a whole new level.

Remember when we had like 10 members and Getsome got Awakened suspended on a Naggy we didn't compete for? Haha. Rustle really was the best.

[mcoy]

I just wish I had heard about p99 sooner so I could rustle some jimmies with the best of 'em.

-Mcoy

[skarlorn]

I just wish I had heard about p99 sooner so I could rustle some jimmies with the best of 'em.

-Mcoy

This is still within your power.

Go around until you find a corpse of someone who really needs a rez.

Drag their corpses into lava/deep water; deeper into the dungeon or across the whole zone.

Proceed to rez.

Gate and go AFK immediately so you can gather rage tells to post on RNF.

Hero for life!

[Lhancelot]

This is still within your power.

Go around until you find a corpse of someone who really needs a rez.

Drag their corpses into lava/deep water; deeper into the dungeon or across the whole zone.

Proceed to rez.

Gate and go AFK immediately so you can gather rage tells to post on RNF.

Hero for life!

You granted their request, you rezzed them! They didn't say where you had to rez their corpse at... Good idea Skarlorn. :p

[Zemus]

https://i.imgur.com/zsPsBOq.png

[Cecily]

I like it. To be absolutely serious though if Sirken hadn't gotten rid of the 1-hour FTE rule, we'd still be Dragon rustling. To actually have to camp out and instant FTE with you nut jobs sounded like it would suck too much.

[Lammy]

I missed the manastone heist

[Cecily]

I just wish I had heard about p99 sooner so I could rustle some jimmies with the best of 'em.

-Mcoy

Rustle as much a gaming philosophy as it was a guild. Many of us were jaded former hardcore players so we were objectively good at the raiding game. We just didn't give a fuck anymore. Early on we used to laugh about and welcome getting raid suspended. Who cares? We did care about playing well, but decided to never take it too seriously. And we took great joy in pissing off and making fun of the people who did. That was Rustle to me.

[Lhancelot]

I like it. To be absolutely serious though if Sirken hadn't gotten rid of the 1-hour FTE rule, we'd still be Dragon rustling. To actually have to camp out and instant FTE with you nut jobs sounded like it would suck too much.

I wondered what happened to Rustle. :(

[Fasttimes]

I wondered what happened to Rustle. :(

Hour fte killed us pretty much even after agnarr we still could kill a few tho that hurt too.

[Papa]

more server rules ensuring a select group of raiders can continue with their pixel conveyor belt

very valuable pixels

we're talking cash money here

it goes all the way up

[Lhancelot]

more server rules ensuring a select group of raiders can continue with their pixel conveyor belt

very valuable pixels

we're talking cash money here

it goes all the way up

Papa hitting hard today. ^

[kotton05]

Lol @ chillwin the little venershit that couldn't...

The change in rules catered more to huge zergs of warmbodies what a shocker. Rustle was a joke at first then because a/a was so bad (warm bodies carried by just a few select individuals) that they saw us as a threat.

Best part was we never got suspended unlike the Shitter guilds still being suspended to this day.

[Zemus]

Lol @ chillwin the little venershit that couldn't...

The change in rules catered more to huge zergs of warmbodies what a shocker. Rustle was a joke at first then because a/a was so bad (warm bodies carried by just a few select individuals) that they saw us as a threat.

Best part was we never got suspended unlike the Shitter guilds still being suspended to this day.

and here I thought we were pals at one time. There's no reason to be upset.

[kjs86z]

There is nothing difficult about this game.

Nothing outside of the time.

[BirryDaKir]

I am rustled.

Fixed

[skarlorn]

There is nothing difficult about this game.

Nothing outside of the time.

[Freakish]

Couldn't rule lawyer us out so they done changed the rules.

[Ravager]

There is nothing difficult about this game.

Nothing outside of the time.
It's a combination of time and time spent dealing with spazzes.