CSG Successfully Crawls NToV Despite EQ Being Difficult

[Sadiki]

Still waiting for CSG to crawl TOV to kill dragons.

The big bad evil A/A suspended. Prove to us that you can actually do it, was not just some propaganda to tell the GM's the big dogs dont allow you to play the game the way you "wanted to play".

Rofl. Hypocrites scrubs.

https://i.imgur.com/I4nvH9L.jpg

Darn Luclin flurry drakes ruining my classic EQ experience. Thanks for the motivation, everyone!

[Mead]

Probably not worth Baler missing out on a chance at plane of growth gear but I'm glad you guys had fun and got some good loots

I look forward to the next round of suspensions

[Beastagoog]

Lol.

Play agnarr and you can have a lofe and enjoy eq. You dont have to wait till 50 no life neckbeards get suspended to enjoy eq there.

Welp sorry 2 shit on your sucess story.

Ciao

[Prismaticshop]

Congratz mate, took you what, 72+ hours ?

[Beastagoog]

Congratz mate, took you what, 72+ hours ?

The excel sheets and autism of the leading guild who is apparently suspended atm cringe at the idea of playing eq for fun.

Guild banks need filling, alts need gear, optimal speed and control on a 19 year old gamr is required.

[Prismaticshop]

Well no need to get all worked up pal, it was a simple question?

[Sadiki]

I guess, if you want to randomly include days we weren't in NToV or weren't raiding. Could take it further and say it took over 18000 hours since Velious launch to clear it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[branamil]

The excel sheets and autism of the leading guild who is apparently suspended atm cringe at the idea of playing eq for fun.

Guild banks need filling, alts need gear, optimal speed and control on a 19 year old gamr is required.

So, the people who can clear something in 5 hours are the "autistic neckbeards" but the people who play for 5 times as long to accomplish the same goal are the "casuals"?

[Dolalin]

Great job everyone. Most fun I've had in awhile.

Server first ntov crawl and clear?

[Dolalin]

Oh no looks like we didn't get to triplets. I had to log early. Next week 😁

[Freakish]

Great job everyone. Most fun I've had in awhile.

Server first ntov crawl and clear?

Ntov was crawled and cleared first day of velious.

[Fragged]

Well done! Looks like you had a blast =)

[Kindadar]

Congrats CSG - looks like great times!

[Skew]

Looks like fun tbh.
Although depends how many hours/many wipes it took.

[Troxx]

Nice to see people raiding the game as it was intended.

GJ guys.

[shuklak]

Ban them all.

[Mytral]

Congratz mate, took you what, 72+ hours ?

Not quite, but we did bang our heads on a few of the pulls. Pull team did an amazing job learning some of the new mechanics that we hadn't had a chance to appreciate yet. Throw in KT, Zlandicar, Sleepers Tomb, and Yelinak and it was a pretty fun weekend.

As a raiding cleric, it was fun not staring at the same tile on the wall all weekend long. I think we got almost as good of loot clearing as we did on the bosses!!!

Can't give enough credit to the pull team though.

[Mytral]

Ntov was crawled and cleared first day of velious.

Not first. Just first in a very long time......

[Mytral]

Lol.

Play agnarr and you can have a lofe and enjoy eq. You dont have to wait till 50 no life neckbeards get suspended to enjoy eq there.

Welp sorry 2 shit on your sucess story.

Ciao

Yea but then you'd be playing on Agnarr......
LMFAO

[Izmael]

Congratz mate, took you what, 72+ hours ?

You are making fun of people who haven't, unlike you, dedicated their lives to an online emulator game.

Let that sink in for a minute.

[Mytral]

So, the people who can clear something in 5 hours are the "autistic neckbeards" but the people who play for 5 times as long to accomplish the same goal are the "casuals"?

You obviously fail to understand the goals being accomplished.

[Lhancelot]

Congratz mate, took you what, 72+ hours ?

Why so bitter?

[Lhancelot]

So, the people who can clear something in 5 hours are the "autistic neckbeards" but the people who play for 5 times as long to accomplish the same goal are the "casuals"?

Why so bitter?

[Daloon]

You are making fun of people who haven't, unlike you, dedicated their lives to an online emulator game.


That's what the losers say. Doesnt take a loss of real life to learn how to kill a Zlandicar in 2017.

You play... to win...the game...

[Mead]

That's what the losers say. Doesnt take a loss of real life to learn how to kill a Zlandicar in 2017.

You play... to win...the game...

Did you change forum names or are you for some reason impersonating Dannyl?

[Teako]

You are making fun of people who haven't, unlike you, dedicated their lives to an online emulator game.

Let that sink in for a minute.

Yet have raid ready level 60 toons and want to spend more than the hours of their competition raiding... Just don't want to compete for it.

Let that sink in.

[Maschenny]

Yet have raid ready level 60 toons and want to spend more than the hours of their competition raiding... Just don't want to compete for it.

Let that sink in.

Can you just write this in your native language so i can paste it in to google translate.

[Daldaen]

How many characters at the peak? How many characters at a low point?

Longest Dragon Fight? Shortest Dragon Fight?

Start - End Time?

Opinions on easiest Dragon? Most difficult dragon? Worst dragon?

The readers want the know about this rare experience on P99. Actually doing raids as designed and stuff.

[Daldaen]

Yet have raid ready level 60 toons and want to spend more than the hours of their competition raiding... Just don't want to compete for it.

Let that sink in.
This is a common delusion among the A/A wall starers.

Clearing through a zone with 100 pals, figuring out splits, positioning, CH rots, tank orders etc. is more enjoyable for 4-6 hours than doing a few 5-10 minute dragon fights at 1AM 2AM 5AM 6AM 11AM 7PM 8PM and Midnight on a Tuesday, while requiring a select few players to be sitting there for 24-hours straight staring at a wall or track window waiting for the mob to appear.

Sure... they spent more time raiding. But it was scheduled during their prime time and you didn't have to ask 3-6 slots to be filled for 24 hours+ waiting for a dragon to spawn.

[ErlickBachman]

Great job everyone. Most fun I've had in awhile.

Server first ntov crawl and clear?

Was it a "crawl and clear?" I thought the definition was actually crawling through the dungeon as an entire raid force. From what I saw, CSG was pulling to the entrance. Maybe I'm mistaken.

In any case, congrats to CSG on their clear and the additional kills.

[Mead]

You guys still have another round to go correct? Suspension doesn't end until Monday of next week

[Izmael]

Yet have raid ready level 60 toons and want to spend more than the hours of their competition raiding... Just don't want to compete for it.

Let that sink in.

Gave up trying to decipher this gibberish.

Anyway, the C in CSG stands for Casual. Most of the CSG players are casual players (including myself), which means that EQ is not our #1 priority in life. We have things like jobs, families, friends.

We value life more than the pathetic pixels you dedicated your life to.

Now you can close the forums and go commit more years to get pixels you don't need trying to impress people you don't like.

[Cwall 146.0]

at the start of velious for about a month or two, empire on red spent a large amount of time each week crawling through NToV

it was time consuming and often frustrating, so people complained en masse

eventually we started pulling every dragon to triplets lair in a span of 2-3 hours each week using in-zone bound pullers, and it got insanely boring very quickly

i miss the crawls

[Zemus]

https://i.imgur.com/I4nvH9L.jpg

Darn Luclin flurry drakes ruining my classic EQ experience. Thanks for the motivation, everyone!

Look at this guy, creating his own RNF thread to celebrate his guild alliance accomplishments. Then belittles them at the same time with "despite EQ being difficult". :eek:

Congrats CSG on the ToV clear. I'm sure it was no small task coordinating such an effort.

[Nathaniel]

Was it a "crawl and clear?" I thought the definition was actually crawling through the dungeon as an entire raid force. From what I saw, CSG was pulling to the entrance. Maybe I'm mistaken.

In any case, congrats to CSG on their clear and the additional kills.

The picture in the OP shows the raid in various spots in NToV. It was a bit of both though to be fair. The right hand side with Kriez, Dagarn and couple others were pulled to entrance - this was mostly done the previous day along with KT, CT, Zlandi, ST. But last night the left hand side was properly crawled and cleared from Aary and around to Vulak. Very fun raid, and as a bonus from doing it this way there was some really nice drops from the flurry drakes.

[ErlickBachman]

The picture in the OP shows the raid in various spots in NToV. It was a bit of both though to be fair. The right hand side with Kriez, Dagarn and couple others were pulled to entrance - this was mostly done the previous day along with KT, CT, Zlandi, ST. But last night the left hand side was properly crawled and cleared from Aary and around to Vulak. Very fun raid, and as a bonus from doing it this way there was some really nice drops from the flurry drakes.

Right on. Still a clear, nevertheless. Congrats again.

[Heebs13]

I'm petitioning your screenshot resolution. I can't even find myself in any of them.

[Rygar]

Oh sure, wait until I can't log in for months and THEN you decide to crawl! I had heavy doubts CSG would do this, but I'm super glad you did. Bravo! Wish we did this the first double A/A ban.

[kotton05]

Just ban the repeated offending guilds already.

[jakerees]

Look at this guy, creating his own RNF thread to celebrate his guild alliance accomplishments. Then belittles them at the same time with "despite EQ being difficult". :eek:

Congrats CSG on the ToV clear. I'm sure it was no small task coordinating such an effort.

I guess I thought the "despite EQ being difficult" was a tongue in cheek reference to RedXIII's post which was quoted that implied an NToV crawl would be too difficult for CSG rather than saying, "Hey guys, clearing NToV is REALLY hard but somehow you idiots were able to do it."

[burkemi5]

How mad does it make you seasoned neckbeards to see casuals get YOUR pixels? They DIDN'T EVEN EARN THEM!!!

[stront]

How mad does it make you seasoned neckbeards to see casuals get YOUR pixels? They DIDN'T EVEN EARN THEM!!!

[Heebs13]

How mad does it make you seasoned neckbeards to see casuals get YOUR pixels? They DIDN'T EVEN EARN THEM!!!

So mad that some of those "seasoned neckbeards" are in here congratulating us.

I'm sure in some darkened basement somewhere, a neckbeard is being scratched furiously at this atrocity, but most of the responses so far seem to be pretty positive.

Of course, this IS R&F, so UMAD, bros?

[Raavak]

https://i.imgur.com/7K0AZ2h.jpg

[kotton05]

If only there wasn’t an rnf muzzle on these guilds then you’d really be able to get the pop corn ready.

[Heebs13]

How many characters at the peak? How many characters at a low point?

Longest Dragon Fight? Shortest Dragon Fight?

Start - End Time?

Opinions on easiest Dragon? Most difficult dragon? Worst dragon?

The readers want the know about this rare experience on P99. Actually doing raids as designed and stuff.

I think we averaged around 80 people or so most of the day. Vulak was definitely the longest fight at about 16 minutes. Koi'Doken seemed, to me, to be the fastest and cleanest, though the twins also both went down with hardly a fight (props to Ruffel playing "You Spin Me Right Round" over discord during Lady N).

Vyemm was an absolute pain to pull, but I think that's because that was the pull our pullers were learning on (we didn't want to fight him in his lair and risk getting thrown into the lava, or we would have just crawled him too). Lady M was extremely sloppy, and as a result, very close.

We had a few hectic moments where we ended up with multiple drakes in camp at once, but offtanking was on point so we pulled through. Watching Vulak's health trudge downward as he tried to cast gate about 30 times was a bit of a nail biter. Honorable mention to a certain warrior attempting to pick up a flurry drake before the heal chain even knew to target him. They're total monsters.

Was a really fun experience for me seeing Aaryonar's pit for the first time since 2003, and other spots in NTOV I'd only seen in pictures or videos until now.

[Sadiki]

Correct, Vyemm was annoying (we did zone pull him), but we never once wiped to an actual mob in ToV. The only delays were learning pulls, which we gave people time for. People who pretty much never raid pulled before were out there enjoying figuring out things. Is having fun in EQ really such a difficult concept? Did the people on P99 never play EQ before and like it? Most of our raid never even saw NToV before and loved it.

Oddly enough, we almost legit wiped to Doze at the end of the night because everyone was falling asleep at their keyboards. We skipped triplets to let people log and ended up phoning in Doze and everyone passed out.

I'm petitioning your screenshot resolution. I can't even find myself in any of them.
I'm petitioning your height.

[sereal]

We value life more than the pathetic pixels you dedicated your life to.

Now you can close the forums and go commit more years to get pixels you don't need trying to impress people you don't like.

I think people can live the life they want. If that's having a family and living in the burbs that's cool, if that's chasing pixels in a old ass mmo to impress only people who also chase those pixels that's cool.

Just be happy and have fun doing what you do.

[Lhancelot]

Lots of BS in this thread:


1. Suspended players venting because they are going through pixel withdrawals, being unnecessarily angry and taking it out on "casuals" who posted their fun in NTOV.

***This is bullshit because being bitter that you can't raid shouldn't mean you have to tear down those who are able to raid. This is extremely childish.



2. "Casuals" claiming they have real lives, their guild tag proves so because it calls itself casual and those who raid in AM/AW all have no lives and do nothing but raid dragon pixels.

***This is bullshit because many of the so-called casuals put in just as much playtime as do the hardcore raiders if not more. The only difference is the activities the players partake while logged in the game. I know some AW/AM players who are logged in far less tha some of the "casuals" I know.



3. AM/AW members claiming that "casuals" can't raid dragons because they don't put the work in to accomplish such a feat.

***This is bullshit because the groundwork and domination that AW/AM have atm was cemented long ago under the tags of other guilds with many of the same players who controlled the raid scene years ago. Most of the present members never put in any "work" they simply got invited to the gravy train raid guild and now are enjoying the pixels that rain down.

[REMEZ]

The crawl was alot of fun!

And who cares if we took our sweet time?
We had to figure shit out, its not like we do this every week.

[Breaken]

If only there wasn’t an rnf muzzle on these guilds then you’d really be able to get the pop corn ready.

There is no RNF muzzle over here. I'm happy for CSG, though a little surprised that it sounds like they had the zone to themselves. I'm not sure what other guilds were up to. I hope they got some mobs as well.

Crawling NToV is fun when you aren't being trained by other guilds, though I would never want to crawl NToV for an individual mob, every spawn.

[Sadiki]

many of the so-called casuals put in just as much playtime as do the hardcore raiders if not more. The only difference is the activities the players partake while logged in the game. I know some AW/AM players who are logged in far less tha some of the "casuals" I know.
I don't think most non-raiders realize that P99 isn't about "hardcore people raid more" vs "casuals raid less" like other games like WoW. If anything, warm bodies in A/A play much less than CSG members overall.

The point is, EQ content isn't that difficult if you have the people, even with Luclin mobs roaming around NToV. P99 just turned it into a ridiculous game of fighting other players who get off on griefing and trolling just to engage a mob that is otherwise easy to kill... and then it devolved into not even playing the game just to zone pull and "win". It's all ridiculous, and without that wall in the way people can actually come in and play and enjoy a raid zone for once.

Crawling again right now to reclear north end of zone, up to 78 people.

[Heebs13]

There is no RNF muzzle over here. I'm happy for CSG, though a little surprised that it sounds like they had the zone to themselves. I'm not sure what other guilds were up to. I hope they got some mobs as well.

Crawling NToV is fun when you aren't being trained by other guilds, though I would never want to crawl NToV for an individual mob, every spawn.

If I'm not mistaken we basically reached an agreement where we let other guilds have WToV, Dain, and some other mobs, and they wouldn't really go after most NToV mobs (I think PS did Ikiatar). This meant we could let the spawns bunch up and then do them during our prime times.

I much prefer this over the idea of 3am batphones, tracking mobs for 16 hour spawn windows, etc etc. Reminds me more of how it was on my server on live.

[Zemus]

Hot damn, Lhance wrote something insightful for once.


1. Suspended players venting because they are going through pixel withdrawals, being unnecessarily angry and taking it out on "casuals" who posted their fun in NTOV.

***This is bullshit because being bitter that you can't raid shouldn't mean you have to tear down those who are able to raid. This is extremely childish.


Yeah, maybe there is some passive aggressiveness coming out. It really comes down to being suspended for reasons that were altogether pretty mild.



Awakened's first (recent) suspension was due to vulak being trained on AM when the mob was barely out of camp after the wipe and brought back on accident zoning in. It wasn't their FTE so they couldn't kill it even though they were actively trying to get a fresh FTE.
Awakened's current suspension training their mages and not helping them recover is really cringy if you see the video. In all honesty we messed up and deserve to be dinged for this one. Nothing malicious however, just one guy being dumb. We are responsible for the people we run out there, however, so..
Aftermath's current suspension is pretty weak IMO. Using a pull method that is technically against the rules but has been the de-facto method out of simple convince. The fact that Vyemm was conceded means nothing to me if they are not interfering with our ability to kill Vyemm. I guess AW must have petitioned to get them suspended I don't know.


All this to say that the current batch of suspensions is pretty weak. People calling for increased punishments for repeat offenders is either uninformed or trolling.


2. "Casuals" claiming they have real lives, their guild tag proves so because it calls itself casual and those who raid in AM/AW all have no lives and do nothing but raid dragon pixels.

***This is bullshit because many of the so-called casuals put in just as much playtime as do the hardcore raiders if not more. The only difference is the activities the players partake while logged in the game. I know some AW/AM players who are logged in far less tha some of the "casuals" I know.



Man this is the truth. Raiding plane of sky, kunark dragons, or whatever, for years on end is really not that different than ToV for your average player.


3. AM/AW members claiming that "casuals" can't raid dragons because they don't put the work in to accomplish such a feat.

***This is bullshit because the groundwork and domination that AW/AM have atm was cemented long ago under the tags of other guilds with many of the same players who controlled the raid scene years ago. Most of the present members never put in any "work" they simply got invited to the gravy train raid guild and now are enjoying the pixels that rain down.


Yep, we're standing on the shoulders of those who came before us who built up a mage army and condensed all the encounters down to a science. I've been in AW about 6-7 months now and about half the players are different than when I started. Sure there is still the core group that has been around a long time, but for the most part it's easy to hop on the gravy train. Sure things have come along that change the meta but we had time to adjust to these changes slowly over time. It's not that hard, come get pixles for 1/5 the effort it takes in another guild.

[Sadiki]

CSG only took Yeli because other guilds couldn't quite down him, but PS had some absurdly good runs with a small force and almost finished him, and took down a bunch of other mobs as well. Guilds such as BG got a lot of classic and Kunark content down.

[branamil]

Did CSG stricly adhere to raid rules regarding FTE lockouts, accidental FTEs, kiting?

[Legday]

I keep hearing about hardcore guild members complaining in this thread but I didn't actually see anything like that when I read it. Oh well. Grats casuals!

[jakerees]

I keep hearing about hardcore guild members complaining in this thread but I didn't actually see anything like that when I read it. Oh well. Grats casuals!

OMG could you be anymore obvious in your complaining over casuals getting the pixels while your guild is on suspension?

[Rygar]

There is no RNF muzzle over here. I'm happy for CSG, though a little surprised that it sounds like they had the zone to themselves. I'm not sure what other guilds were up to. I hope they got some mobs as well.

Crawling NToV is fun when you aren't being trained by other guilds, though I would never want to crawl NToV for an individual mob, every spawn.

If you are being trained, those other guilds get suspended, no?

Regardless, if you enjoy a crawl then you are in a powerful position to change this. I would propose setting 1 month or possible 2 separate months of the year aside for a NToV crawl that is rotated. 4 total crawl slots, obviously AM and Awakened each get a crawl slot, maybe the other 2 slots are /randomed by guilds / alliances or even just 'open server' crawls with /random rules (No guilds awarded crawl slots can roll during open crawl).

WToV and Doze are still normal raiding targets. Each guild is given 48hrs to clear all raid targets in NToV, after which they become FFA. Any zone-line / borderline zone pulls forfeit your slot and all targets become FFA.

Odds are open crawls won't drop Vulak (just my guess) due to noob raider issues, even some of the harder mobs. So A/A still could get a shot at those.

Can let your folks recharge batteries and level alts or whatever, other world targets still on the table.

Would you and Detoxx endorse this?

[aaezil]

All this to say that the current batch of suspensions is pretty weak. People calling for increased punishments for repeat offenders is either uninformed or trolling.




Are you not aware this is like the 50th suspension for AM? Poster simply out of touch? Unaware of past events?

[mcoy]

Damn. I spent the day playing Factorio... Sad I missed out on this, as this is the scene I was hoping to experience again. Glad ya'll had a good time though!

-Mcoy

[Fifield]

Would hate crawling NToV each week. Hell even once a month would suck.

Skipping trash and solo pulling dragons the moment they spawn is the reason P99 is fun. Add that in with another guild doing the same thing. Makes for good times. Sure we step on eachothers toes every so often hence this suspension, but at the end of the day, you guys got to enjoy some old school NToV crawl. enjoy some pixels, and enjoy some raiding you dont normally do. And us A/A members got to level alts or play other games

seems like a win win situation to me

more pictures of the CSG clear!

[Zemus]

Are you not aware this is like the 50th suspension for AM? Poster simply out of touch? Unaware of past events?

No I just didn't want to re-hash old shit.

[sereal]

Vulak drops some bomb gear, i'd bat phone for that shit.

[Sadiki]

I would propose setting 1 month or possible 2 separate months of the year aside for a NToV crawl that is rotated
Wedar is volunteering to lead two NToV crawls a year!

He just has to start by logging on P99 twice a year

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

Gave up trying to decipher this gibberish.

Anyway, the C in CSG stands for Casual. Most of the CSG players are casual players (including myself), which means that EQ is not our #1 priority in life. We have things like jobs, families, friends.

We value life more than the pathetic pixels you dedicated your life to.

Now you can close the forums and go commit more years to get pixels you don't need trying to impress people you don't like.

you seem pretty dedicated to have over a thousand posts in this forum and to have a character thats dedicated to raid content on 17 year old elf simulator on a dead end server. i think you're using casual as an excuse for lack of experience.

[mefdinkins]

Would hate crawling NToV each week. Hell even once a month would suck.

Skipping trash and solo pulling dragons the moment they spawn is the reason P99 is fun. Add that in with another guild doing the same thing. Makes for good times. Sure we step on eachothers toes every so often hence this suspension, but at the end of the day, you guys got to enjoy some old school NToV crawl. enjoy some pixels, and enjoy some raiding you dont normally do. And us A/A members got to level alts or play other games

seems like a win win situation to me

more pictures of the CSG clear!

I agree, it's fun to see Awakened/Aftermath out in the wild. Yesterday, Fifield (AM) and I (Awakened) with Huflungpoo (Anonymous) got the chance to help an Auld Lang player finish her 8th ring.

Anyone in Awakened/Aftermath really loves this game and the content. Sure, the pixels help motivate some players but people who only care about pixels never survive in an era where certain BIS items don't even drop for Awakened/Aftermath for months at a time. In an era where group content items like 9th Ring are better than almost all of NTOV's rings drops. On a server where choosing to avoid competitive raiding frees up a ton of time for other cool stuff.

So yeah, grats everyone on your pixels!

[Rygar]

Skipping trash and solo pulling dragons the moment they spawn is the reason P99 is fun.

This seems like a serious statement, makes me sad really. I don't think that is what Nilbog had in mind when he started this project, was more to recreate the nostalgia of EQ. Dragon life spans of 10 minutes just sucks due to wall staring. Wish there were bag limits on raid targets to prevent such content prevention.

I do zone line pulls in the Hole for epic mobs for guildies and occasional cash, but damn. This is making me feel dirty... no more.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Would hate crawling NToV each week. Hell even once a month would suck.

Skipping trash and solo pulling dragons the moment they spawn is the reason P99 is fun. Add that in with another guild doing the same thing. Makes for good times. Sure we step on eachothers toes every so often hence this suspension, but at the end of the day, you guys got to enjoy some old school NToV crawl. enjoy some pixels, and enjoy some raiding you dont normally do. And us A/A members got to level alts or play other games

seems like a win win situation to me

more pictures of the CSG clear!

You take your level-headed and reasonable response and get the hell out here

[Byel]

Congrats guys!

[Rivera]

There's lots of stupid going both ways here, but this thread is super pathetic looking from the get go.

"WE DID IT A/A!! WE DID IT!! NOTICE US!"

[Sadiki]

more pictures of the CSG clear!
https://i.imgur.com/iGuR0wR.jpg

[arsenalpow]

It only took two years, two guilds suspended, and no third guild to pressure CSG.

[sereal]

There's lots of stupid going both ways here, but this thread is super pathetic looking from the get go.

"WE DID IT A/A!! WE DID IT!! NOTICE US!"

This was just a response to someone saying the guild was too trash to do the content. Like damn people just can't win here can they?

[Pokesan]

aren't they eligible for the rotation now?

[Fasttimes]

aren't they eligible for the rotation now?

You have to solo kill gore to become class R

[Check12345]

more pictures of the CSG clear!

Someone throw together an album already. TIA.

[Papa]

the difference between casuals and hardcores on p99 is whether or not you are waking up to batphones in the middle of the night to get pixels

[branamil]

the difference between casuals and hardcores on p99 is whether or not you are waking up to batphones in the middle of the night to get pixels

Or whether it takes you 5 playing the game to kill something, versus 1 hour to kill something, giving you 4 hours of your life back.

[Daldaen]

Would hate crawling NToV each week. Hell even once a month would suck.

Skipping trash and solo pulling dragons the moment they spawn is the reason P99 is fun. Add that in with another guild doing the same thing. Makes for good times. Sure we step on eachothers toes every so often hence this suspension, but at the end of the day, you guys got to enjoy some old school NToV crawl. enjoy some pixels, and enjoy some raiding you dont normally do. And us A/A members got to level alts or play other games

seems like a win win situation to me

more pictures of the CSG clear!

Crawling NToV isn't that bad fifepal. But I tend to agree, Velious raids blow. WTB Luclin.

If it's a win/win situation maybe you should rotate it with the casuals and let them do this shit once a month while you herpderp pull Kreizenn to zoneline at 3AM the other three weeks of the month.

[Fifield]

This seems like a serious statement, makes me sad really. I don't think that is what Nilbog had in mind when he started this project, was more to recreate the nostalgia of EQ. Dragon life spans of 10 minutes just sucks due to wall staring. Wish there were bag limits on raid targets to prevent such content prevention.

I do zone line pulls in the Hole for epic mobs for guildies and occasional cash, but damn. This is making me feel dirty... no more.

It may not be what he had in mind when he started this project, but the fact that gear is hard to come by on this sever is what makes it thrive, (that and the leveling 1-60 is amazing).

Every other server that has a stopping point at an expansion dies off because it gets boring. Watch agnarr, agnarr is so god damn fun and it will be untill a few months after Quarm dies, most everyone will leave to do something else. But not ol P99. were all here still playing for some god unknown reason. We all might not play as hard as we used to back when velious released, but we still log in.

[BirryDaKir]

Grats on your kills CSG. I hope you get a taste for NToV loot and bring some fun competition once these suspensions end.

the difference between casuals and hardcores on p99 is whether or not you are waking up to batphones in the middle of the night to get pixels

This just isn’t true. I never wake up for a batphone. This great myth that there is a difference between “casual” guild players and “hardcore” guild players is highly exaggerated. The real difference is knowledge and experience of the officers and leaders. I’m confident 95% or casual players could make it in A/A without putting in any extra play time.

I have a wife and a job. I don’t live in my moms basement or stare at walls waiting for dragons to pop. These stories about A/A being no life neckbeards is just a horror story told so members don’t jump ship and join us.

I agree with fifield - the competition between A/A is a lot of fun. All the drama that plays out here in RnF paints an ugly picture that doesn’t represent reality. I experienced classic and kunark content for years and decided to move on from a “casual” guild about 6 months ago. I’m a happy member of Awakened and am glad to decided not to believe all the gossip.

[Fifield]

Crawling NToV isn't that bad fifepal. But I tend to agree, Velious raids blow. WTB Luclin.


If shit didnt respawn in 72minutes, NToV crawl could be a little more enjoyable.

[Sadiki]

Crawling isn't bad, but reverting and removing flurry drakes would make it a lot faster as every pull can be 2-4 mobs without worry. They're only a poopsock failsafe in the first place and aren't classic. Smaller guilds could definitely crawl Aary to Krie without problems with no flurries, or even use CoH to attempt triplets and twins.

[skarlorn]

I'd like to point out that if the hardcore raiders were better at the game, they would not have been banned.

[Daldaen]

If shit didnt respawn in 72minutes, NToV crawl could be a little more enjoyable.

The trash should be 72min respawn...

But dragon guards and Flurry roamers should be like 12-24 hours or something? Are they not that long here?

The longest part of the NToV Clear is typically breaking the Flurry highway. The 10 Flurry Drakes that circle the lava pit. After those are down you shouldn't need to worry about them the rest of your night. It's very trivial to crawl after this point.

[Sadiki]

The trash should be 72min respawn...

But dragon guards and Flurry roamers should be like 12-24 hours or something? Are they not that long here?

The longest part of the NToV Clear is typically breaking the Flurry highway. The 10 Flurry Drakes that circle the lava pit. After those are down you shouldn't need to worry about them the rest of your night. It's very trivial to crawl after this point.
I'd like to say they were repopping on a 3 hour timer. Definitely had to clear them multiple times.

[skarlorn]

Happy u nerds grats on having fun and seeing ntov

[Mytral]

It only took two years, two guilds suspended, and no third guild to pressure CSG.

That's kind of the point.......

Crawling NToV while A/A is competing with pulls to zone wouldn't go over very well, now would it?

And if there was pressure from another guild, then it would just be A/A 2.0.

[Mytral]

There's lots of stupid in my post. It's super pathetic looking from the get go.

"NOTICE ME!"

I fixed your post for you.

You're welcome.

[Pokesan]

bda beat instanced content way before csg

[Heebs13]

I'd like to say they were repopping on a 3 hour timer. Definitely had to clear them multiple times.

Yes, they were respawning every 3 hours, which seems too fast. Although, I won't complain since they drop pretty nice stuff.

[Maner]

So CSG has pulled the dragons on the right along with vymme to the entrance and left triplets up. So you "crawled" for 4 of the 12 dragons and consider that an tov crawl? Pretty sure A/A killed every dragon in NTOV in NTOV at least...

[Mead]

I'd like to point out that if the hardcore raiders were better at the game, they would not have been banned.

I was thinking the same exact thing

[Matalus]

Confused with how it's a crawl then several posts later saying mobs were pulled to entrance, but congrats on your lewts

[Rygar]

So CSG has pulled the dragons on the right along with vymme to the entrance and left triplets up. So you "crawled" for 4 of the 12 dragons and consider that an tov crawl? Pretty sure A/A killed every dragon in NTOV in NTOV at least...

You were bitching that CSG didn't even crawl to a single dragon during last A/A ban and now complaining they only did 4.

I'm sure you will not be satisfied until CSG crawls and kills every creature in NToV, while competing with A/A, and using a paladin tank with a 3 cleric CHeal rotation (no clickies of course). I'm sure you will still complain we needed a 14 man zerg force to pull it off.

Maybe drop the salt and give props like the vast majority of other A/A peeps in this thread.

[polishanarchy]

I wasn't there for everything, but Lady M, Koi, lady N, Jorlleag, Vulak, and triplets were killed in north.

[dbouya]

So, the people who can clear something in 5 hours are the "autistic neckbeards" but the people who play for 5 times as long to accomplish the same goal are the "casuals"?

Never having had a chance to practice before makes things harder. Wow. So surprising. I still have fond memories of the 13 fridays in a row my guild wiped to trakanon in 2000. After which we won about 50 times a row without failure. That's how learning works.

[Lhancelot]

Crawling NToV isn't that bad fifepal. But I tend to agree, Velious raids blow. WTB Luclin.

If it's a win/win situation maybe you should rotate it with the casuals and let them do this shit once a month while you herpderp pull Kreizenn to zoneline at 3AM the other three weeks of the month.

That's actually a great point man. Sadly it appears it's only a win/win when all the top tier guilds are suspended and forced to not raid 24/7.

I don't fault AM/AW for dominating top tier pixels all the time, they do this within the rules of the server. However saying the suspensions of both top tier guilds is a win for all is being disingenuous. If it was so great for all concerned we'd see more rotations and more cooperation between all the raid guilds.

[Rivera]

I fixed your post for you.

You're welcome. Hey thanks, good one. I'm feeling pretty triggered atm. I may insult you even given enough time to stew.

[Lhancelot]

So CSG has pulled the dragons on the right along with vymme to the entrance and left triplets up. So you "crawled" for 4 of the 12 dragons and consider that an tov crawl? Pretty sure A/A killed every dragon in NTOV in NTOV at least...

Are you surprised they don't have the zone mastered to the point AM/AW do? Why hate on them? You weren't born with the knowledge you have regarding how to clear NTOV.

I bet anything you are not a raid leader that manages your guild on NTOV raids, either. You'd do no better in CSG under the circumstances is my point.

Its silly to be bitter that they aren't as efficient at clearing dragons as your guild when they obviously don't have years of experience doing it as your leadership does.

Just let them have their fun, it's not their fault you got suspended. Your suspension is short lived, don't worry on it too hard.

[Sadiki]

So CSG has pulled the dragons on the right along with vymme to the entrance and left triplets up. So you "crawled" for 4 of the 12 dragons and consider that an tov crawl? Pretty sure A/A killed every dragon in NTOV in NTOV at least...
I've done some quality baiting with this thread, feels like I caught a big fish with this one

[skarlorn]

I just want you to know I'm proud of you, Sadiki

good job as the Guild leader of CSG defeating A/A with your new tactics.

[Sadiki]

We speak not of the hidden voice directing the CSG officials from behind the scenes in one massive RMT operation larger than any MMO has ever seen.

[Heebs13]

Confused with how it's a crawl then several posts later saying mobs were pulled to entrance, but congrats on your lewts

Some of the mobs were pulled to entrance on Saturday, then the rest of the mobs were crawled on Sunday.

So CSG has pulled the dragons on the right along with vymme to the entrance and left triplets up. So you "crawled" for 4 of the 12 dragons and consider that an tov crawl? Pretty sure A/A killed every dragon in NTOV in NTOV at least...

I missed the part where it isn't a crawl unless you do 3 laps around Vulak's pit while singing 'ollie ollie oxen free!' If starting before Aary's pit and moving the entire raid to the exit while clearing everything in your path isn't a crawl to you, well then like Wedar said, you'll probably never be satisfied. What a shame.

[Dolalin]

Server rules as they are not privilege guilds who pull to zone-in and trivialize content, and disadvantage guilds who want to crawl. That is something for Sirken to reflect on.

[Dolalin]

now*

[skarlorn]

Since when has Sirken (praise be his name) ever given a shit about dungeon crawling for high end raid mobs?

Let Sirken do exactly what he is doing, which is banning nerds when he wants to; and for whatever the reason. May his reign continue into perpetuity for it is even-handed in its inequity to those whomst deserve the lashing; May God grant Sir Ken even greater bong rips for his judgment to be clouded, for all memory to be obscured by the platinum haze which God, our Lord, has granted to be divination-orb of our Esteemed Adjudicator so that he may heed whatever white wisps come to speak within his ears, with or with not the vestiges of a one-on-one Skype call; may Sirken E'Lanti forever rule in the way that pleaseth him for this is a Volunteer Box and it is a Dictatorship, and the Rule laid down by our Lord Ken is Law below only the plug of Papa 'Gean. May all dissenters perish under lash and ban and pixel drought. May the banned lament woefully for their precious pixels clatter into the hands of the filthy casuals. May project 1999 everquests live on in an infinite continuum, not 1 more year of velious, not 2, but 5 more years of velious! and 5 more after that!

[Prismaticshop]

Confused with how it's a crawl then several posts later saying mobs were pulled to entrance, but congrats on your lewts

Don't waste their hour of glory.

CSG starting their own rnf thread and cry when they get shit on, really casual to the very end lol

[Mytral]

I've done some quality baiting with this thread, feels like I caught a big fish with this one

It's not that hard to catch one when it's at the surface gulping for air.

Catch and release brother...... Catch and release.....

[Mytral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=729&v=UoG3q6dPfJo

[raato]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=729&v=UoG3q6dPfJo

Nope, this is CSGs Vulak first kill: https://go.twitch.tv/videos/114171259

[Culkasi]

Its our first Vulak kill in North though!

[rebeccablack]

what kind of raid size are we talkin csg? 72+?

[Culkasi]

what kind of raid size are we talkin csg? 72+?

We had between 60 and 100 through the night

[Papa]

If it's a win/win situation maybe you should rotate it with the casuals and let them do this shit once a month while you herpderp pull Kreizenn to zoneline at 3AM the other three weeks of the month.

it's not a win/win for the hardcores lol, people have got to EARN those pixels, you know?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

there's also all the IRL USD that's involved

[Detoxx]

Great job everyone. Most fun I've had in awhile.

Server first ntov crawl and clear?

Nope, Launch day was full on crawl but Forsaken and Rampage.

Sorry!

[Pokesan]

give kittens an instanced tov and they'll beat it much quicker than CScrubG

i guarantree it

[skarlorn]

give kittens an instanced tov and they'll beat it much quicker than CScrubG

i guarantree it
Casual!

[Detoxx]

Server rules as they are not privilege guilds who pull to zone-in and trivialize content, and disadvantage guilds who want to crawl. That is something for Sirken to reflect on.

Guys, this content is trivial no matter where you fight it lol. 95% of ToV is slowable dragons. Trivial. Vyemm is being 1 tanked now, as it KT and Dain and I even tanked AoW from 100 - 22% when my disc faded at 60%.

The only non-trivial encounters are AoW, Sontalak, and Tunare. Everything else is trivial no matter where its fought.

Grats on your kills and sweet Vulak robs guys!

[skarlorn]

Guys, this content is trivial no matter where you fight it lol. 95% of ToV is slowable dragons. Trivial. Vyemm is being 1 tanked now, as it KT and Dain and I even tanked AoW from 100 - 22% when my disc faded at 60%.

The only non-trivial encounters are AoW, Sontalak, and Tunare. Everything else is trivial no matter where its fought.

Grats on your kills and sweet Vulak robs guys!

Cringe

[Freakish]

Jaled Dar been killed yet?

[Nommis]

Bristlebane, oh bby

[Lammy]

The content is only trivial to saturated guilds with warm body populations and 2 years of hording loots

[Daldaen]

The content is only trivial to saturated guilds with warm body populations and 2 years of hording loots

No... Detoxx is right. If a mob is slowable, it's likely a joke if brought to camp single. The most difficult aspect of EQ is generally the environment. With dragons that aren't permarooted that get brought to the zoneline, you remove the environment entirely and just have some free pixel bag that 25 toons can easily down.

P99 really needs some challenging raid fights. Vulak Ring would be a nice start. Then Luclin with Shei Vinitras, Emperor, and High Priest. Would be great. Bring Luclin to P99.

[Freakish]

Vulak with 25 would be gross. You've got 1/3+ just as CH chain in order to last. Then you need your tanks, pullers, buffers. Slowers. The dps would be so low it would take an hour.

[azeth]

Jaled Dar been killed yet?

This

[Dolalin]

With dragons that aren't permarooted that get brought to the zoneline, you remove the environment entirely and just have some free pixel bag that 25 toons can easily down.

[Daldaen]

Vulak with 25 would be gross. You've got 1/3+ just as CH chain in order to last. Then you need your tanks, pullers, buffers. Slowers. The dps would be so low it would take an hour.

One hour for Vulak pixels isn't too bad. Ring of Vulak is 17 waves with about 9.5 minutes between waves. Works out to about 2.5 hours + killing Vulak himself. Very worth the time since you actually have to pay attention and split up your raid/focus and do EverQuest things.

[Sadiki]

Our first Vulak had so many clerics that they would meditate for a while between casts and were full mana the entire time. With 25, Vulak would also be lifetapping less people, which makes up at least some of the dps loss. It would take a while, but it's definitely doable. I don't think Vulak (without the ring event) is a very difficult mob honestly.

[Maner]

You were bitching that CSG didn't even crawl to a single dragon during last A/A ban and now complaining they only did 4.

I'm sure you will not be satisfied until CSG crawls and kills every creature in NToV, while competing with A/A, and using a paladin tank with a 3 cleric CHeal rotation (no clickies of course). I'm sure you will still complain we needed a 14 man zerg force to pull it off.

Maybe drop the salt and give props like the vast majority of other A/A peeps in this thread.

They still haven't crawled NToV as they admitted to pulling more than half the dragons to the entrance lmfao. Perhaps you should stop settling for half measures... when did I bitch about CSG not crawling during the last ban?

I mean you weren't even there yet are still claiming some kind of credit for it. Sit back down

[Izmael]

They still haven't crawled NToV as they admitted to pulling more than half the dragons to the entrance lmfao. Perhaps you should stop settling for half measures... when did I bitch about CSG not crawling during the last ban?

I mean you weren't even there yet are still claiming some kind of credit for it. Sit back down

You must be fun at parties.

[Heebs13]

They still haven't crawled NToV as they admitted to pulling more than half the dragons to the entrance lmfao. Perhaps you should stop settling for half measures... when did I bitch about CSG not crawling during the last ban?

I mean you weren't even there yet are still claiming some kind of credit for it. Sit back down

Officer they only robbed half the bank, this isn't a robbery at all!

[Mytral]

They still haven't crawled NToV as they admitted to pulling more than half the dragons to the entrance lmfao. Perhaps you should stop settling for half measures... when did I bitch about CSG not crawling during the last ban?

I mean you weren't even there yet are still claiming some kind of credit for it. Sit back down

Well let's see. I was there the entire time and I only recall pulling 2 or 3 to entrance, and one of them was Dozekar who isn't even NToV. 1- 2 is half? Dude where did you learn math? Public School? LMFAO

And you may not have bitched about CSG not crawling last ban (i really don't care to check either way), but you bitch a lot in general.

/finds his seat

[Heebs13]

Well let's see. I was there the entire time and I only recall pulling 2 or 3 to entrance, and one of them was Dozekar who isn't even NToV. 1- 2 is half? Dude where did you learn math? Public School? LMFAO

And you may not have bitched about CSG not crawling last ban (i really don't care to check either way), but you bitch a lot in general.

/finds his seat

No point arguing the details of whether we pulled half or not (hint: we didn't) with this joker, since in his mind it only counts if it was every single boss and that's already null and void since PS killed Ikiatar. Therefore CSG didn't even do NTOV this week, and neither Aftermath nor Awakened ever really does NTOV since neither of them go 14/14 by themselves in the same week. You heard it here first, folks: NTOV is still virgin territory on p99.

[k2summit]

One hour for Vulak pixels isn't too bad. Ring of Vulak is 17 waves with about 9.5 minutes between waves. Works out to about 2.5 hours + killing Vulak himself. Very worth the time since you actually have to pay attention and split up your raid/focus and do EverQuest things.
Dald is basically nerd jesus, soooooo, what he says is correct.

[Maner]

No point arguing the details of whether we pulled half or not (hint: we didn't) with this joker, since in his mind it only counts if it was every single boss and that's already null and void since PS killed Ikiatar. Therefore CSG didn't even do NTOV this week, and neither Aftermath nor Awakened ever really does NTOV since neither of them go 14/14 by themselves in the same week. You heard it here first, folks: NTOV is still virgin territory on p99.

Ikiatar isn't even a NToV dragons really lol. Where have I ever claimed AM or AW get every dragon to themselves each week?

Well let's see. I was there the entire time and I only recall pulling 2 or 3 to entrance, and one of them was Dozekar who isn't even NToV. 1- 2 is half? Dude where did you learn math? Public School? LMFAO

And you may not have bitched about CSG not crawling last ban (i really don't care to check either way), but you bitch a lot in general.

/finds his seat

Your wn guild has contradicted you though. Pull the right and vymme to entrance and you left the triplets up, that means 4-5 targets were killed during the "crawl" out of 14?

I'm sorry that you remember it differently than it actually happened.

[Heebs13]

Ikiatar isn't even a NToV dragons really lol. Where have I ever claimed AM or AW get every dragon to themselves each week?

Oh really? What wing is he in?

[icedwards]

Oh really? What wing is he in?

He's north, but Maner's going to throw that back at you because he has aspergers and iki is a wyvern.

[Sadiki]

You must be fun at parties.
Rofl, don't be ridiculous. He's never been to a party.

[Rygar]

They still haven't crawled NToV as they admitted to pulling more than half the dragons to the entrance lmfao. Perhaps you should stop settling for half measures... when did I bitch about CSG not crawling during the last ban?

I mean you weren't even there yet are still claiming some kind of credit for it. Sit back down

I could have sworn you made some remarks about CSG not crawling, but in all honesty it could have been someone like Henrique and I'm misremembering, apologize if so.

Regardless, I don't exactly follow your logic. If you crawl to get to a camp in any zone, aren't you crawling to get there and fighting? Never seen a claim to a FULL crawl where all named are downed at their spawn points.

Even so, if CSG did only crawl to half and pulled half, and you are claiming they DIDN'T crawl... well then they didn't pull either, then did they? Cause they didn't pull all 14 dragons.

And true I wasn't there, as weren't most people in this thread. I know Sadiki gives me credit for inspiring him and the rest of CSG, but it really is undeserved. I am happy my guild crawled to a target in NToV, thrilled actually, so I will defend their accomplishment no doubt. If anything I was pessimistic that they wouldn't and even made comments as such in a few other threads. Very happy to be proven wrong.

[Maner]

Oh really? What wing is he in?

North has been defined on this server as aary and everything past his pit....

I could have sworn you made some remarks about CSG not crawling, but in all honesty it could have been someone like Henrique and I'm misremembering, apologize if so.

Regardless, I don't exactly follow your logic. If you crawl to get to a camp in any zone, aren't you crawling to get there and fighting? Never seen a claim to a FULL crawl where all named are downed at their spawn points.

Even so, if CSG did only crawl to half and pulled half, and you are claiming they DIDN'T crawl... well then they didn't pull either, then did they? Cause they didn't pull all 14 dragons.

And true I wasn't there, as weren't most people in this thread. I know Sadiki gives me credit for inspiring him and the rest of CSG, but it really is undeserved. I am happy my guild crawled to a target in NToV, thrilled actually, so I will defend their accomplishment no doubt. If anything I was pessimistic that they wouldn't and even made comments as such in a few other threads. Very happy to be proven wrong.


When you claim they crawled NToV but admit to not clearing everything it isn't actually crawling the entire thing now is it? However I dot see anyone claiming they "partially crawled NToV". This is also 2 years after the first people already "crawled" NToV on this server so I am not sure why it even matters.

Making excuses about learning fights in regards to dragons that were killed opening day of velious is also just an excuse. I guess slowing and having a CH chain is difficult for some. LTK sure was impressive a couple weeks ago...

[Mead]

https://i.imgur.com/Szhx2B3.jpg

[Heebs13]

https://i.imgur.com/Szhx2B3.jpg

It's sort of like that, only replace cocaine with an 18 year old elf sim, and instead of being rich and powerful, he's just a socially inept goon trying to pick fights with strangers on the internet.

[Heebs13]

North has been defined on this server as aary and everything past his pit....




When you claim they crawled NToV but admit to not clearing everything it isn't actually crawling the entire thing now is it? However I dot see anyone claiming they "partially crawled NToV". This is also 2 years after the first people already "crawled" NToV on this server so I am not sure why it even matters.

Making excuses about learning fights in regards to dragons that were killed opening day of velious is also just an excuse. I guess slowing and having a CH chain is difficult for some. LTK sure was impressive a couple weeks ago...

Maybe you should double check the thread title for the word "entire" and then think about why you look like an idiot with a hard-on for CSG.

[vorpal_raddish]

Does any of this actually matter yet? I still can't tell. Someone tell me what I should be feeling.

[Sadiki]

> Try to troll trolls
> Your friends all show up and get trolled

sigh

[vorpal_raddish]

Friends? Woah, woah, woah. Let's not get crazy here.

[Mead]

did we come to a decision on whether it was a crawl or not?

[Ssouky]

I know this is RnF but for those interested, I'll just post my best summary of this weekend.

It took us like 5 hours from Aary spot to Vulak's death, walking on Koi, Lady M and twins. It was the first time ever for most stepping in this zone so far. We didn't know some very simple mechanics skilled monks must have mastered for years. Our pulling team learnt a lot. We had to be slow and careful. We didn't wipe at all until after Vulak.We killed a lot of trash, many of the flurrys, got nice loot on those. We gained automatism and off tanking skills to the limit. Our crew managed a train of 5 trash+1flurry. Might seem easy to an experienced raider, but to us it was fantastic !
We managed to kill all the dragons in NTov on the first try but Vyemm. Even lady M whose fight was pathetic and badly managed (early pull, unprepared tank, badly positioned crew, the whole failure bingo). Vulak was a loooong fight. Some clerics announced 40% mana at... 92%.
The triplet split I was scared about was actually really easy. The longest was probably the crossing split north of Vulak. Lots of mobs, not so easy to break LoS.
Ruffel did actually play the Spin around song during Lady N. Was a fun moment.
I dreaded Zlexak poison like Hoshkar's and it was actually very simple and automatic to avoid using LoS. He went down quite slowly, but surely.

Would hate crawling NToV each week. Hell even once a month would suck.

Skipping trash and solo pulling dragons the moment they spawn is the reason P99 is fun. Add that in with another guild doing the same thing. Makes for good times. Sure we step on eachothers toes every so often hence this suspension, but at the end of the day, you guys got to enjoy some old school NToV crawl. enjoy some pixels, and enjoy some raiding you dont normally do. And us A/A members got to level alts or play other games

seems like a win win situation to me

more pictures of the CSG clear!

Crawling NToV isn't that bad fifepal. But I tend to agree, Velious raids blow. WTB Luclin.

If it's a win/win situation maybe you should rotate it with the casuals and let them do this shit once a month while you herpderp pull Kreizenn to zoneline at 3AM the other three weeks of the month.


I would really NOT do it every week. It was a lot of fun for once though.
Fifield I find your post amidst this RnF nonsense, very refreshing. If I had to do this every week I definitely would pull to entrance. If I had to compete, I'd definitely make it so I get FTE and walk on the competitor. I wouldn't want to spend more time than needed in this zone.
Like you, I find this is a win-win situation. It's just a bit sad it has to be forced on you guys. I'd be happy if you left us 1 week of the quarter, hence about 4 out of the 52+2*12=76 cycles.

We got some kind of non written non binding agreement with PS and the rest of the server : we don't touch Kunark or WToV, Dain, Velk, Yeli. We eventually killed Yeli because they couldn't. I believe this made lots of players happy. I think they are still learning VP and we don't interfere there. There is definitely in this case a trickle down effect.

Were this pixels undeserved because we didn't have to compete against another guild ? Maybe, I don't know. We had to compete against ourselves. We still wipe on Trak. So... You never know with CSG. We had to not train ourselves, not ninja afk all the time, respect the chain, follow when asked, chain rebuff, spend consumables, manage people in the need to go for a while but wanting to come back... All this things you don't have to manage when you simply pull for the literally hundredth time to zone in to an over geared crew of seasoned knowledgeable raiders.
Do you guys ever had to manage a hidden factionned afk rogue in the corned you're supposed to tank, preventing the tank to actually position correctly ? This is the kind of shit we are dealing with in CSG :D
I read that we spend more time than some and can't be considered casuals because of the play time. Hmmm maybe those don't have kids. Try to do something by yourself. Now do it with a kid. We have lots of kids in our guilds we need to teach. So everything is more difficult, takes more time. Some of us play a lot, probably more than some A/A neckbeards. But everytime we do something, we have to teach the newcomers. We always have those guys getting lost at LDC when we go for Nagafen. I don't think we haven't had to rescue some guy falling in the trap to Vox on one attempt. We are CSG, we are noobs. We deal with it.

As for the loots, they mostly sucked and now I understand why the pixel lusty guys really NEED their dose. Lol at the double robe on Dagarn. Lol at Poison+Runed tear on Doze when you know you get him twice a year. Mask of fall on Aary. Mask and 2h on Eashen. 11/24 weapon on Jorlleag... We still got the DS Trident, Kreizen flame, 2x Horn on Neve. Orb of confusion but most of the loot is somehow disappointing.
Yesterday on Statue we got a Reaver. I'm not kidding, just a single Reaver.
I was delusional, thinking you could get lots of shinies during a clear. It's not true. Especially when you have to spread the 5 interesting loots amongst 80 people.
Hopefully, we got lots of Ancient armor drops, that was cool. Like a full set of each almost.


All in all, very nice moment. I'd like to do this a few times a year.

PS : Oh yeah, forgot : RnF. A little troll is mandatory :
It felt good to spend so much time in game for so little result. Felt like real classic EQ. The day I don't have the 16h to play on a saturday night, I'll join A/A to just have to log for 10 mins each time and get 10 times the loots putting not half the effort into it. For the moment, I'm way too hardcore to join A/A.

PPS : If that's not a crawl, I don't know what is :
https://imgur.com/a/uGnhG

[Ssouky]

https://imgur.com/a/uGnhG

[Dolalin]

I would really NOT do it every week. It was a lot of fun for once though.

Restating my point from earlier: the reason there's so much competition at the high end is because *this stuff is too easily pulled and thus trivialized*.

It's supposed to be a pain in the ass to clear. This discourages doing it every week and hogging the zone.

Staff could hit two birds with one stone here and mandate crawling North. It's self regulating. The boredom and burnout that sets in will regulate the end game here.

[paulgiamatti]

Restating my point from earlier: the reason there's so much competition at the high end is because *this stuff is too easily pulled and thus trivialized*.

Well, I wouldn't exactly call that easy - easier than it should be, sure, but I think anything short of impossible is too easy when it comes to conveyor-belting NToV dragons to the zone in, effectively immiserating any unfortunate soul who happens to zone in mid-fight. Easy to the neckbeard who's done it a thousand times, sure, but it's still a difficult thing to learn for the few people who have to do it. That's the convenience of A/A's wholly unclassic method - it puts all the work on a few key playmakers while the rest of the raid waits to stare at dragon butt and push a button every 10 seconds or so. Crawling raises the level of difficulty for the entire raid so that every single person needs to be on their A-game. A rising tide lifting all boats would be an appropriate analogy.

The boredom and burnout that sets in will regulate the end game here.

https://imgur.com/4S4UbSy.gif

[Pubo]

Even though I missed 90% of the weekend, I had damn fun and I'm convinced it was the most fun many of us had in a long time.

Well written Ssouky. I disarmed picked the reaver from the ground btw so technically it wasn't even looted :p

Happy to be part of this even just the little bit I had time to join. This thread kinda saddens me a bit though but there are some shinies in here as well :)

[Mytral]

https://imgur.com/a/uGnhG

CSG Crawl Confirmed!!!

[Mead]

The boredom and burnout that sets in will regulate the end game here.

https://youtu.be/JL--TkrtLrU?t=13

[Lhancelot]

Well, I wouldn't exactly call that easy - easier than it should be, sure, but I think anything short of impossible is too easy when it comes to conveyor-belting NToV dragons to the zone in, effectively immiserating any unfortunate soul who happens to zone in mid-fight.

Easy to the neckbeard who's done it a thousand times, sure, but it's still a difficult thing to learn for the few people who have to do it.

That's the convenience of A/A's wholly unclassic method - it puts all the work on a few key playmakers while the rest of the raid waits to stare at dragon butt and push a button every 10 seconds or so.

Crawling raises the level of difficulty for the entire raid so that every single person needs to be on their A-game. A rising tide lifting all boats would be an appropriate analogy.

This was an awesome way to explain the present raiding phenomenon on P99 regarding the dragons.

I fixed it for you Paul, by adding space inbetween your sentences as it was way too bunched up!

Besides that, perfect explanation and I loved the part about conveyor belting dragons. :p

[Troxx]

Restating my point from earlier: the reason there's so much competition at the high end is because *this stuff is too easily pulled and thus trivialized*.

It's supposed to be a pain in the ass to clear. This discourages doing it every week and hogging the zone.

Staff could hit two birds with one stone here and mandate crawling North. It's self regulating. The boredom and burnout that sets in will regulate the end game here.

A rule forcing a crawl or setting names dragons to have a short leash/tether would do the trick.

[skarlorn]

Friends? Woah, woah, woah. Let's not get crazy here.

Nice me too

[Daldaen]

Root99, introduce Vulak ring, launch Luclin.

You've got yourself a thriving server. People grinding AAs, doing tradeskills, making Solstice earrings, camping Emperor and VT keys, raiding the Deep, Akhevan Ruins, Ssra Temple, Sanctus Seru, Vex Thal.

This is what P99 needs. Not another year of Velious with dragons pull the entrance Week after week. Instead Shei Vinitras permarooted, spawning death adds, punishing zergs.

[Lhancelot]

Root all the dragons in ToV. End the train pulling. Force guilds to fight mobs like Vyemm on slippery slopes.

Sure, guilds will still CoTH everyone to targets, but this process will take much longer and leave non tov guilds to kill other content with less competition during repops.

https://i.imgur.com/gGtCx9S.gif

[Papa]

A rule forcing a crawl or setting names dragons to have a short leash/tether would do the trick.

or just literally making the mobs how they were during CLASSIC (and for some reason aren't on p99, the premiere classic eq elf sim) and root all the appropriate ones

if you need the nitty gritty details of which are rooted etc. we have daldaen here for us all

[Troxx]

Or just add aa's without luclin. It would invigorate the leveling community with fresh level 60 blood (and all the level 60 alts). Zones like seb would be packed in all camps 24 hours a day. Population (average) would rise. Numbers needed to raid content would drop.

Right now the 'end game' community only exists to log in for 10-15 minutes at a go to kill dragons. Enabling AAs would take devs a lot less time than building Luclin, and aa's introduced IN Luclin went a long way towards balancing underpowered classes (ranger/wizard/et_al).

Turn on AAs then work on launching greeen.

Oh ... and root/leash NToV mobs!

[skarlorn]

You can't have Luclin without Luclin graphics, so I don't think we will ever get it.

And AAs sound nice, but makes u too OP in this timeline u feel meh

[Izmael]

The AA's totally trivialize all previous content. Last thing P99 needs is to make it easier.

Also Takp / p2002.

[Daldaen]

or just literally making the mobs how they were during CLASSIC (and for some reason aren't on p99, the premiere classic eq elf sim) and root all the appropriate ones

if you need the nitty gritty details of which are rooted etc. we have daldaen here for us all

Lord Feshlak, Kreizenn, Vyemm and Lady Mirinella and Nevederia are the perma rooted dragons.

Lord Vyemm and Lady Nevederia change drastically once you have to fight them in their rooms at their spawns.

And you need AAs. They encourage playing your Main rather than rolling 10 Alts.

[branamil]

I too have a lot of demands for volunteer software developers, working on their hobby for no pay.

[Lhancelot]

I too have a lot of demands for volunteer software developers, working on their hobby for no pay.

Translation: Last thing I'd want is for change to happen, I love my conveyor-belted dragon pixels.

[Savok]

Didn't see one mob in NToV all weekend - was too busy wilh real life. Damn casual...

[Raev]

Eh, I don't think perma-rooting is such a simple solution. The problem is that EQ's mechanics simply don't support good guild v guild competition. What would happen is guilds starting a huge train of all of North Temple and then running in. Which would be good theater but it would also result in a massive stream of petitions. To me the only way to really solve this problem is to eliminate the direct competition.

One random idea that I just had: how about a race rotation with soccer league style promotion/relegation? Example: CSG enters the 'NTOV' league. They decide to start their raid at 4PM and they finish Vulak at 2AM, 10 hours later, as league rules require fighting all dragons directly on their spawn points. Meanwhile Aftermath finishes their clear in 5 hours and Awakened in 6. So CSG would be relegated to the previous league (city leaders?) and Aftermath would be promoted to the next league (Dozekar/PoG/Statue probably).

This would create some really fun mechanics, like say Awakened beats Aftermath in clear time for the loot pinata group, thus demoting them to NTOV, and then focuses on beating their times in the NTOV group so they can never promote back, except eventually they wipe while breaking in to NTOV too quickly vs 3 flurry drakes leading to massive nerdrage. It also has the advantage of keeping rotations small, because if your guild is too small you'll never be able to kill quickly enough. A lot would depend on the details of the rules I guess.

[branamil]

Translation: Last thing I'd want is for change to happen, I love my conveyor-belted dragon pixels.

Translation: I post 125 times per day, yet I don’t understand the stated goal of this nonprofit project, how long software development takes, or how many volunteers are willing and able to make drastic changes to this game.

[Argh]

Get
rid
of
variance.

[Pokesan]

This, all these people talking about rooting dragons and other non-classic changes just need to move on back to agnarr if you are not happy. This is P99 and this is classic.

love it or leave it is a big retard argument (8

[Izmael]

This, all these people talking about rooting dragons and other non-classic changes just need to move on back to agnarr if you are not happy. This is P99 and this is classic.

Pulling NTOV dragons to zone in as unclassic as it gets. Rooting would at least provide for a (more) classic experience of raiding NToV.

[Papa]

I too have a lot of demands for volunteer software developers, working on their hobby for no pay.

yea sure would take more than 30 mins to implement these simple root changes to a few mobs

[Rygar]

Lord Feshlak, Kreizenn, Vyemm and Lady Mirinella and Nevederia are the perma rooted dragons.

Lord Vyemm and Lady Nevederia change drastically once you have to fight them in their rooms at their spawns.

And you need AAs. They encourage playing your Main rather than rolling 10 Alts.

I could have sworn Aaryonar was rooted? Seem to remember him as the gatekeeper to NToV. On Torv server I believe he was the 'qualification mob' to get in on any kind of NToV agreement.

In regards to AA's and Luclin, please... this is an end at Velious project, the only way that ever happens is if Nilbog hands the project over to someone else with a vision of Luclin / PoP or further when he dies in 50 years, at which point this really shouldn't be called Project 1999 anymore. If I understand it correctly they nuked out a lot of the AA coding and putting it back in is a massive overhaul.

I think permarooting them dragons is good to get that classic experience, but I think some pulls to better fight areas nearby is fine. Also would negate any pushing which may make some fights lame. Would like something such as call of the zero on the mobs to prevent train pulling, even random chance of call of the zero on trash. Would say something like delay summon on initial agro by something like 10-20 seconds to allow for some minor pulling / splitting, then let the summoning begin.

I completely agree that train mechanics are allowing the lockdown of these mobs. Make a decree Sirken, it will self-regulate if you do not allow zone-line pulls. It still forces people to compete and put in work, but in the end poopsockers will make player made agreements because they don't want to crawl for 3 hours at 2am when a mob pops, and don't want a chance of dragons popping during vulak window.

[Zemus]

Lord Feshlak, Kreizenn, Vyemm and Lady Mirinella and Nevederia are the perma rooted dragons.

Lord Vyemm and Lady Nevederia change drastically once you have to fight them in their rooms at their spawns.

And you need AAs. They encourage playing your Main rather than rolling 10 Alts.

Riddle me this. If these dragons should be perma rooted why does Vulak call all Lords/Ladies to his aid? Hmmmmmmm

[skarlorn]

Riddle me this. If these dragons should be perma rooted why does Vulak call all Lords/Ladies to his aid? Hmmmmmmm

Do not question the powers and legislation of ancient dragons

[Daldaen]

Riddle me this. If these dragons should be perma rooted why does Vulak call all Lords/Ladies to his aid? Hmmmmmmm

The three black Drakes in Vulak's ring death touch anyone who travels halfway down the bridge if the lords are up. If the lords are not up entering Vulak's room triggers the first of a 17 wave event, culminating in Vulak Aerr spawning permarooted in the center of his ring.

He never calls the other dragons. He just doesn't show his face until you've defeated them all and you have bested the 16 preceding waves involving things like 2-3 Flurries Drakes, 5 Destroyer Drakes, 2 wurm + 3 drake combinations, 22 splitter Drakes, 5 carrion waves spawning death adds for each PC and pet death, 4 mini bosses, random waves, etc.

[Daldaen]

This, all these people talking about rooting dragons and other non-classic changes just need to move on back to agnarr if you are not happy. This is P99 and this is classic.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139980&highlight=Aggro+dump

Super classic up in here amirite?

[Papa]

doesn't make him wrong about how un-classic P99 is lol

[Fifield]

doesn't make him wrong about how un-classic P99 is lol

were past P99 being classic, non of this since i've been playing is classic. its P99.

Enjoy it the way it is or dont play here.

[Dolalin]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139980&highlight=Aggro+dump

Super classic up in here amirite?

For the record Daldaen I still think that was bullshit.

[Papa]

were past P99 being classic, non of this since i've been playing is classic. its P99.

Enjoy it the way it is or dont play here.

nice gatekeeping bro

[Stormfists]

What exactly are A/A moaning about here? CSG crawling all of NToV in sub 7 hours? Or the fact that they've been knocked off top raiding guild spot? Can't work it out...

[Papa]

just angry moving of the goalposts... first it doesn't matter that they dont share because CSG couldnt kill the stuff anyway...

oh, they did kill it? well they didnt crawl to every single one... therefore our shitty toxic behavior is still justified :o

[Fifield]

nice gatekeeping bro

I don't even know what this means

[Kesselring]

Lol.

Play agnarr and you can have a lofe and enjoy eq. You dont have to wait till 50 no life neckbeards get suspended to enjoy eq there.

Welp sorry 2 shit on your sucess story.

Ciao

Doing crawls on agnarr is not the same experience, its easy and unrewarding. It's by far the most boring thing I've experienced and it's nice to know you're raiding with like 10 real players all quad boxing for you, real great crawl experience you get there. You don't need to no life on p99 either but no-life neckbearding unfortunately IS the experience of classic EQ.

[paulgiamatti]

I fixed it for you Paul, by adding space inbetween your sentences as it was way too bunched up!

Viva la paragraphia.

[paulgiamatti]

were past P99 being classic, non of this since i've been playing is classic. its P99.

Enjoy it the way it is or dont play here.

Rooting ToV mobs has actually been on the table before - probably still is, but for more embarrassing reasons. They were waving that threat over A/A back when the ol' rule lawyer/PetitionQuest metagame had reached truly abysmal depths of pettiness. One thing I've learned during my seven years on this server, however, is that the likelihood of mechanic changes being implemented is inversely correlated to the extent that they're demanded in RnF. The more nerds talk about it here, the less likely it is we'll see it in a patch update.

[Pokesan]

I don't even know what this means

When someone takes it upon themselves to decide who does or does not have access or rights to a community or identity.

there, you are now less ignorant! :)

[Cecily]

When someone takes it upon themselves to decide who does or does not have access or rights to a community or identity.

there, you are now less ignorant! :)

Haven't heard it used that way before. In the trans community at least it refers to the people (shrinks and otherwise) who create a barrier to transition by withholding referral letters recommending hormone therapy (1 letter) or surgery (2 letters).

[Lhancelot]

Haven't heard it used that way before. In the trans community at least it refers to the people (shrinks and otherwise) who create a barrier to transition by withholding referral letters recommending hormone therapy (1 letter) or surgery (2 letters).

I always understood the term "gate keeper" to mean a mid tier fighter in combat sports, who isn't the best, but not a bottom feeder either. He/she is usually an accomplished veteran, who acts as a block to up and coming fighters who are not good enough to reach the best tier of fighters due to not being able to beat the gate keepers who are in the mid tier.

It's interesting because I learned two things today, well, two new ways the term "gate keeper" is used. Thanks to Cec and Poke. :p

[Fasttimes]

I always understood the term "gate keeper" to mean a mid tier fighter in combat sports, who isn't the best, but not a bottom feeder either. He/she is usually an accomplished veteran, who acts as a block to up and coming fighters who are not good enough to reach the best tier of fighters due to not being able to beat the gate keepers who are in the mid tier.

It's interesting because I learned two things today, well, two new ways the term "gate keeper" is used. Thanks to Cec and Poke. :p

I always thought of gatekeeper as the guy before the gate in karateka.

[Cecily]

Yeah, that's more or less been my experience.

[jakerees]

You're all wrong. The Gatekeeper possessed Dana and was looking for the Keymaster to bring Gozer to destroy the world.

[Pokesan]

Haven't heard it used that way before. In the trans community at least it refers to the people (shrinks and otherwise) who create a barrier to transition by withholding referral letters recommending hormone therapy (1 letter) or surgery (2 letters).

it's a misappropriation of the term for the purposes of humor.

sadly, a repost. i attempted this shitpost some months ago. Papa's a biter.

[Papa]

you gotta know when to take the shots, poke, to make sure they're gonna really land

know your audience and all that

[Papa]

really FEEL the current thread vibe and consider if people are going to have an emotional reaction in that instant

[Cecily]

I enjoyed the derail.

[indiscriminate_hater]

not a bad avatar pokesan

[Lhancelot]

not a bad avatar pokesan

Yeah without even reading it the imagery is pleasant to the eyes. Looks like some Game of Thrones knight seal, lol.

[Morphyus]

I know this is RnF but for those interested, I'll just post my best summary of this weekend.

It took us like 5 hours from Aary spot to Vulak's death, walking on Koi, Lady M and twins. It was the first time ever for most stepping in this zone so far. We didn't know some very simple mechanics skilled monks must have mastered for years. Our pulling team learnt a lot. We had to be slow and careful. We didn't wipe at all until after Vulak.We killed a lot of trash, many of the flurrys, got nice loot on those. We gained automatism and off tanking skills to the limit. Our crew managed a train of 5 trash+1flurry. Might seem easy to an experienced raider, but to us it was fantastic !
We managed to kill all the dragons in NTov on the first try but Vyemm. Even lady M whose fight was pathetic and badly managed (early pull, unprepared tank, badly positioned crew, the whole failure bingo). Vulak was a loooong fight. Some clerics announced 40% mana at... 92%.
The triplet split I was scared about was actually really easy. The longest was probably the crossing split north of Vulak. Lots of mobs, not so easy to break LoS.
Ruffel did actually play the Spin around song during Lady N. Was a fun moment.
I dreaded Zlexak poison like Hoshkar's and it was actually very simple and automatic to avoid using LoS. He went down quite slowly, but surely.






I would really NOT do it every week. It was a lot of fun for once though.
Fifield I find your post amidst this RnF nonsense, very refreshing. If I had to do this every week I definitely would pull to entrance. If I had to compete, I'd definitely make it so I get FTE and walk on the competitor. I wouldn't want to spend more time than needed in this zone.
Like you, I find this is a win-win situation. It's just a bit sad it has to be forced on you guys. I'd be happy if you left us 1 week of the quarter, hence about 4 out of the 52+2*12=76 cycles.

We got some kind of non written non binding agreement with PS and the rest of the server : we don't touch Kunark or WToV, Dain, Velk, Yeli. We eventually killed Yeli because they couldn't. I believe this made lots of players happy. I think they are still learning VP and we don't interfere there. There is definitely in this case a trickle down effect.

Were this pixels undeserved because we didn't have to compete against another guild ? Maybe, I don't know. We had to compete against ourselves. We still wipe on Trak. So... You never know with CSG. We had to not train ourselves, not ninja afk all the time, respect the chain, follow when asked, chain rebuff, spend consumables, manage people in the need to go for a while but wanting to come back... All this things you don't have to manage when you simply pull for the literally hundredth time to zone in to an over geared crew of seasoned knowledgeable raiders.
Do you guys ever had to manage a hidden factionned afk rogue in the corned you're supposed to tank, preventing the tank to actually position correctly ? This is the kind of shit we are dealing with in CSG :D
I read that we spend more time than some and can't be considered casuals because of the play time. Hmmm maybe those don't have kids. Try to do something by yourself. Now do it with a kid. We have lots of kids in our guilds we need to teach. So everything is more difficult, takes more time. Some of us play a lot, probably more than some A/A neckbeards. But everytime we do something, we have to teach the newcomers. We always have those guys getting lost at LDC when we go for Nagafen. I don't think we haven't had to rescue some guy falling in the trap to Vox on one attempt. We are CSG, we are noobs. We deal with it.

As for the loots, they mostly sucked and now I understand why the pixel lusty guys really NEED their dose. Lol at the double robe on Dagarn. Lol at Poison+Runed tear on Doze when you know you get him twice a year. Mask of fall on Aary. Mask and 2h on Eashen. 11/24 weapon on Jorlleag... We still got the DS Trident, Kreizen flame, 2x Horn on Neve. Orb of confusion but most of the loot is somehow disappointing.
Yesterday on Statue we got a Reaver. I'm not kidding, just a single Reaver.
I was delusional, thinking you could get lots of shinies during a clear. It's not true. Especially when you have to spread the 5 interesting loots amongst 80 people.
Hopefully, we got lots of Ancient armor drops, that was cool. Like a full set of each almost.


All in all, very nice moment. I'd like to do this a few times a year.

PS : Oh yeah, forgot : RnF. A little troll is mandatory :
It felt good to spend so much time in game for so little result. Felt like real classic EQ. The day I don't have the 16h to play on a saturday night, I'll join A/A to just have to log for 10 mins each time and get 10 times the loots putting not half the effort into it. For the moment, I'm way too hardcore to join A/A.

PPS : If that's not a crawl, I don't know what is :
https://imgur.com/a/uGnhG

Spot on

[Fifield]

Fifield I find your post amidst this RnF nonsense, very refreshing.
Like you, I find this is a win-win situation. It's just a bit sad it has to be forced on you guys. I'd be happy if you left us 1 week of the quarter, hence about 4 out of the 52+2*12=76 cycles.


Ty sir, you don't have to explain to the Manerz of the world what or how you guys did ToV. When the opportunity rises, do it your own way, no matter how long it took. You did it and you had fun.

As to leaving ToV alone, eh thats a whole different topic. I know myself I play P99 to raid, playing alts is fun and all but we enjoy the madness. Even these 10 days seem long but thats what PUBG is for right?

I know the drive isn't there for you guys but i sure do wish you guys competed more. I completely get that you feel its not worth your time to track and "compete". Its not the way you want to play the game. But i remember being in Taken back in the day, we went after CT against the big boys and got crushed over and over. Finally we got a CT and it was the greatest feeling around. Took alot of wipes, alot of learning. lots of hours but man, the good ol days.

Seize the opportunity during those repops, were only 2 guilds we cant take everything in A/A.

[branamil]

I would prefer a ToV crawl, because Kael gear is freaking sweet and the named drakes can drop some really cool shit. like Barrier_of_Sound (https://wiki.project1999.com/Barrier_of_Sound) and Ring_of_Superiority (https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_of_Superiority). Things that will probably never drop in the forseeable future because no one crawls. However the currently rules don't really allow this, as soon as you clear the trash another guild will leapfrog over you and take the kill.

[khysanth]

Congrats CSG :D

[joediddy]

This is the dumbest post I have ever seen you literally are bragging in RNF you did ToV when there was no one there to contest ... it was a free ToV and your taking guild pictures on 15 year old elf content that was handed to you... CSG is a bunch of idiots you have the largest kill force on the server and you cant even figure out how to contest ToV on a weekly basis ... CSG go play on live if you want uncontested content ... literally the most pathetic thing ive ever seen, you guys suck so bad you wont contest anything that has competition on it and when you do you break every rule and dont get suspended like when Versager kited CT around Feer for 20 minutes ... almost 3 years into Velious and still cant step foot in the ring with the big boys, yea you guys sure nailed this post what a week for CSG amazing ....

[Mytral]

This is the dumbest post I have ever seen you literally are bragging in RNF you did ToV when there was no one there to contest ... it was a free ToV and your taking guild pictures on 15 year old elf content that was handed to you... CSG is a bunch of idiots you have the largest kill force on the server and you cant even figure out how to contest ToV on a weekly basis ... CSG go play on live if you want uncontested content ... literally the most pathetic thing ive ever seen, you guys suck so bad you wont contest anything that has competition on it and when you do you break every rule and dont get suspended like when Versager kited CT around Feer for 20 minutes ... almost 3 years into Velious and still cant step foot in the ring with the big boys, yea you guys sure nailed this post what a week for CSG amazing ....

Triggered

[Rygar]

This is the dumbest post I have ever seen you literally are bragging in RNF you did ToV when there was no one there to contest ... it was a free ToV and your taking guild pictures on 15 year old elf content that was handed to you... CSG is a bunch of idiots you have the largest kill force on the server and you cant even figure out how to contest ToV on a weekly basis ... CSG go play on live if you want uncontested content ... literally the most pathetic thing ive ever seen, you guys suck so bad you wont contest anything that has competition on it and when you do you break every rule and dont get suspended like when Versager kited CT around Feer for 20 minutes ... almost 3 years into Velious and still cant step foot in the ring with the big boys, yea you guys sure nailed this post what a week for CSG amazing ....

This is the dumbest reply I have ever seen, you are literally shitting in RNF on a guild that killed some ToV targets after folks doubted they could, you guys brag about your kill lists in guild threads about downing 15 year old elf content that was handed to you due to lack of competition. You have the largest poopsocking basement dwellers on the server yet you can't stop contesting in ToV except when banned for a week. A/A go play on live or Agnarr if you are looking for new avenues to grief and wag your wangs around and further monopolize people's gaming experience... literally the most cringy pixel addicts I've seen, you guys suck so bad you try to rule lawyer everything into lockdown and get suspended for only 10 days after multiple repeat offenses.... almost 3 years into Velious and still can't turn your batphones off for 3am insta-gib kills. One day we'll learn to hang with the big boys and get our wall stare on like a man such as the amazing A/A. You guys sure nailed us to the cross with this post, what a week.

Kept no paragraph breaks to remain consistent.

[joediddy]

You played a competitive game with no opposition then gloated about it in RNF with pictures lol IRL thats like the knicks playing a game versus nobody then bragging about how they won ... good job .... the break has been really nice actually Ive been really busy doing fun real life things leveling up outside ya know? not that i dont have the time anyways because A/A wipes out velious content in 2-3 days leaving a sufficient amount of time weekly to complete other life tasks and self improvements

[skarlorn]

This is the dumbest post I have ever seen you literally are bragging in RNF you did ToV when there was no one there to contest ... it was a free ToV and your taking guild pictures on 15 year old elf content that was handed to you... CSG is a bunch of idiots you have the largest kill force on the server and you cant even figure out how to contest ToV on a weekly basis ... CSG go play on live if you want uncontested content ... literally the most pathetic thing ive ever seen, you guys suck so bad you wont contest anything that has competition on it and when you do you break every rule and dont get suspended like when Versager kited CT around Feer for 20 minutes ... almost 3 years into Velious and still cant step foot in the ring with the big boys, yea you guys sure nailed this post what a week for CSG amazing ....
But how do u really feel ?

[Mytral]

You played a competitive game with no opposition then gloated about it in RNF with pictures lol IRL thats like the knicks playing a game versus nobody then bragging about how they won ... good job .... the break has been really nice actually Ive been really busy doing fun real life things leveling up outside ya know? not that i dont have the time anyways because A/A wipes out velious content in 2-3 days leaving a sufficient amount of time weekly to complete other life tasks and self improvements

Shitty analogy proves that you are still triggered.

[kotton05]

You played a competitive game with no opposition then gloated about it in RNF with pictures lol IRL thats like the knicks playing a game versus nobody then bragging about how they won ... good job .... the break has been really nice actually Ive been really busy doing fun real life things leveling up outside ya know? not that i dont have the time anyways because A/A wipes out velious content in 2-3 days leaving a sufficient amount of time weekly to complete other life tasks and self improvements

there is no cure to pixel aids. Someone get me a shotgun looks like lassies has seen her last day.

[Lammy]

Joediddy clearly upset about his toys being taken away, that and being forced to experience outdoor conditions and real life people all because he sucks at the only thing he thinks he's good at... elfing

[Lhancelot]

This is the dumbest post I have ever seen you literally are bragging in RNF you did ToV when there was no one there to contest ... it was a free ToV and your taking guild pictures on 15 year old elf content that was handed to you... CSG is a bunch of idiots you have the largest kill force on the server and you cant even figure out how to contest ToV on a weekly basis ... CSG go play on live if you want uncontested content ... literally the most pathetic thing ive ever seen, you guys suck so bad you wont contest anything that has competition on it and when you do you break every rule and dont get suspended like when Versager kited CT around Feer for 20 minutes ... almost 3 years into Velious and still cant step foot in the ring with the big boys, yea you guys sure nailed this post what a week for CSG amazing ....

Pixel withdrawals hitting this nerd hard. I hope you guys get suspended another week just to see RnF liven up even more, you addicts make it fun in here.

[joediddy]

Joediddy clearly upset about his toys being taken away, that and being forced to experience outdoor conditions and real life people all because he sucks at the only thing he thinks he's good at... elfing

Rustle such an awesome guild rep that tag!

[Zemus]

This is the dumbest post I have ever seen you literally are bragging in RNF you did ToV when there was no one there to contest ... it was a free ToV and your taking guild pictures on 15 year old elf content that was handed to you... CSG is a bunch of idiots you have the largest kill force on the server and you cant even figure out how to contest ToV on a weekly basis ... CSG go play on live if you want uncontested content ... literally the most pathetic thing ive ever seen, you guys suck so bad you wont contest anything that has competition on it and when you do you break every rule and dont get suspended like when Versager kited CT around Feer for 20 minutes ... almost 3 years into Velious and still cant step foot in the ring with the big boys, yea you guys sure nailed this post what a week for CSG amazing ....

Safehaven <Aftermath> ladies and gentlemen. /cringe

[Mead]

the break has been really nice actually Ive been really busy doing fun real life things leveling up outside ya know?

Can you please elaborate on this more?

[Heebs13]

You played a competitive game with no opposition then gloated about it in RNF with pictures lol IRL thats like the knicks playing a game versus nobody then bragging about how they won ... good job .... the break has been really nice actually Ive been really busy doing fun real life things leveling up outside ya know? not that i dont have the time anyways because A/A wipes out velious content in 2-3 days leaving a sufficient amount of time weekly to complete other life tasks and self improvements

What level have you reached outside? Have you got your new spells yet?

[Lhancelot]

Can you please elaborate on this more?

https://i.imgur.com/ugHkMg0.gif

[Synthlol]

> Try to troll trolls
> Your friends all show up and get trolled

sigh

Don't worry Sadiki, look how twisted you got this kid

This is the dumbest post I have ever seen you literally are bragging in RNF you did ToV when there was no one there to contest ... it was a free ToV and your taking guild pictures on 15 year old elf content that was handed to you... CSG is a bunch of idiots you have the largest kill force on the server and you cant even figure out how to contest ToV on a weekly basis ... CSG go play on live if you want uncontested content ... literally the most pathetic thing ive ever seen, you guys suck so bad you wont contest anything that has competition on it and when you do you break every rule and dont get suspended like when Versager kited CT around Feer for 20 minutes ... almost 3 years into Velious and still cant step foot in the ring with the big boys, yea you guys sure nailed this post what a week for CSG amazing ....

Score

[Sirken]

literally the most pathetic thing ive ever seen, you guys suck so bad you wont contest anything that has competition on it and when you do you break every rule and dont get suspended

https://i.imgur.com/q9RnI4Q.jpg

[Argh]

zip eeem up

[kjs86z]

lol sirken just rekt this nerd

[joediddy]

Safehaven <Aftermath> ladies and gentlemen. /cringe

Chillwin ladies and gentlemen monk number 4000 going for best in slot gratz

[trite]

So here we are, with literally 100s of the servers best and most active raiders locked out for weeks at a time, and 100s of the servers worst/most casual raiders bragging out about free content...Aftermath should put a normal grown up in charge #endlawyerquest #petty4life #actnormal #30minutesorlessoritsfree

[Gorillas]

So here we are, with literally 100s of the servers best and most active raiders locked out for weeks at a time, and 100s of the servers worst/most casual raiders bragging out about free content...Aftermath should put a normal grown up in charge #endlawyerquest #petty4life #actnormal #30minutesorlessoritsfree

All the raiders here are autistic, because only downies would consider P99 raiding enjoyable or rewarding in any way

[Heebs13]

So here we are, with literally 100s of the servers best and most active raiders locked out for weeks at a time, and 100s of the servers worst/most casual raiders bragging out about free content...Aftermath should put a normal grown up in charge #endlawyerquest #petty4life #actnormal #30minutesorlessoritsfree

This isn't Twitter; hashtags won't do anything here.

[arsenalpow]

All the raiders here are autistic, because only downies would consider P99 raiding enjoyable or rewarding in any way

[Daldaen]

This isn't Twitter; hashtags won't do anything here.

Member thread tags? I member...

[skarlorn]

All the raiders here are autistic, because only downies would consider P99 raiding enjoyable or rewarding in any way

[Mead]

Member thread tags? I member...

young reminiscer

[William_Munny15]

TMO break fear yet?

[Papa]

some big dunks on angry nerds, thanks everyone

[Zemus]

This is the dumbest post I have ever seen you literally are bragging in RNF you did ToV when there was no one there to contest ... it was a free ToV and your taking guild pictures on 15 year old elf content that was handed to you... CSG is a bunch of idiots you have the largest kill force on the server and you cant even figure out how to contest ToV on a weekly basis ... CSG go play on live if you want uncontested content ... literally the most pathetic thing ive ever seen, you guys suck so bad you wont contest anything that has competition on it...

Chillwin ladies and gentlemen monk number 4000 going for best in slot gratz

They hypocrisy is off the charts! Congratulations on reaching new levels of cognitive dissonance. Just hate everyone and everything!

[Mead]

They hypocrisy is off the charts! Congratulations on reaching new levels of cognitive dissonance. Just hate everyone and everything!

You would hate your life too if you have to tell trolls on an elf sim forum you’re doing stuff irl because you were banned in an 18 year old elf sim

I hope he can get everything done in 10 days. We don’t know when the next ban will be

[Paumad]

TMO break fear yet?

I member D:

[mefdinkins]

https://i.imgur.com/q9RnI4Q.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/aZBBg6C.png

[Lammy]

I bet safehaven plays a girl IRL too LOL

[Check12345]

some big dunks on angry nerds, thanks everyone

[stront]

some big dunks on angry nerds, thanks everyone

Posterized

[Lhancelot]

https://i.imgur.com/q9RnI4Q.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ijZIRoW.gif

[joediddy]

I bet safehaven plays a girl IRL too LOL

The only girl ill be playing tonight is your mama ... rustle 4 life!

[Fasttimes]

The only girl ill be playing tonight is your mama ... rustle 4 life!

Rustle gave you better competition then a lot of other casual guilds and quite a lot of us are in ya guild now.

PS - we are not the ones berging out

[skarlorn]

https://i.imgur.com/aZBBg6C.png

I award you forum points

[Jimjam]

https://i.imgur.com/q9RnI4Q.jpg

An entertaining picture, but the original basis of the expression actually derives from the fact that the kettle was polished silver, compared to the dirty darkness of a typical cooking pot;

i.e. When the pot sees the kettle as black, it is actually gazing upon it's own dirty reflection in the kettle's gleam!

[Rygar]

https://i.imgur.com/aZBBg6C.png

Some of the funniest shit on here. THIS is how you win at EQ.

[ErlickBachman]

An entertaining picture, but the original basis of the expression actually derives from the fact that the kettle was polished silver, compared to the dirty darkness of a typical cooking pot;

i.e. When the pot sees the kettle as black, it is actually gazing upon it's own dirty reflection in the kettle's gleam!

Don't over think it.

[Lhancelot]

An entertaining picture, but the original basis of the expression actually derives from the fact that the kettle was polished silver, compared to the dirty darkness of a typical cooking pot;

i.e. When the pot sees the kettle as black, it is actually gazing upon it's own dirty reflection in the kettle's gleam!

Hmm. Are you sure? I must research this now. :mad:

That National Enquirer mag cover above is great. Wonder what happened after Sirken kissed Safehaven behind closed doors?!??!

[Jimjam]

Hmm. Are you sure? I must research this now. :mad:

That National Enquirer mag cover above is great. Wonder what happened after Sirken kissed Safehaven behind closed doors?!??!

Heard it on the radio recently, so it must be true.

For me, it was mind blowing to discover that the saying was originally about projecting your own failings on to other (this would have been more useful knowledge pre 'cook' days on the forum, as the go to insult then was to accuse others of projecting).

In honesty though, the modern interpretation of "both sides being as bad as each other" is a lot more intuitive.

That fake shitrag gossipmag cover indeed is awesome.