How many raid suspensions in a row before your guild is disbanded?

[Dolalin]

Just curious. Must be in the high dozens or even hundreds?

[aaezil]

i think they used to ban guilds but they would just reform.

Honestly what they should do is increase the suspension time by a few days after each subsequent suspension.

[Llodd]

Nah, that’s when increased punishment for repeat offenders might come in ;p

[Pokesan]

that AM suspension reads like sirken misunderstanding a complicated pull setup

[Dolalin]

Start also suspending the guild leader's and officers' accounts for the raid suspension period, might start to see some real change then.

[RedXIII]

Europa people trying to pretend they understand anything about pulling. ROFL.

Give me a break bro... go back to try split Fungi king camp in sebilis.

[skarlorn]

Europa people trying to pretend they understand anything about pulling. ROFL.

Give me a break bro... go back to try split Fungi king camp in sebilis.

this post was written by an adult to another adult as if it is actually an insult.

incredible implications for autism anthropology

[Mead]

Europa people trying to pretend they understand anything about pulling. ROFL.

Give me a break bro... go back to try split Fungi king camp in sebilis.

europa 1 henrique triggered

[Xanaxx]

that AM suspension reads like sirken misunderstanding a complicated pull setup


obviously he is just looking for something. this happens like clockwork with Sirken. poor AM

[Freakish]

Lord bob server first vulak kill this week?

[Skew]

Worst thing about double A bans is the 6 day raid windows that invariably follow.

Glad i snuck an alt into Lord Bob. Random 1000 on Vulak loot right?

[Baler]

Drama intensifies.

[Naethyn]

End the needless lawyering. #AARotate

[Papa]

guilds will not be disbanded because IRL USD is at stake

[Ennewi]

this post was written by an adult to another adult as if it is actually an insult.

incredible implications for autism anthropology

this post was written by an adult to another adult as if it is actually an insult.

[Argh]

Same shit-birdery, same shit-birds.

[skarlorn]

this post was written by an adult to another adult as if it is actually an insult.

this post was written by an adult to another adult as if it is actually an insult.

[ErlickBachman]

The only way I've seen a guild get disbanded is thru a scandal that severely violates server rules, such as RMT, involving multiple officers of a guild.

[Daldaen]

The increased penalties haven't had the intended result and clearly Sirken is getting involved in the raid scene too much.

ToV simply needs to be no rules and GM hands off zone. Or just enforce an entire server raid rotation.

[Champion_Standing]

They need to institute a more serious plan for punishing repeat offenders. I say the server should be wiped if anyone violates a rule twice.

[Detoxx]

FFA rules would be the best solution. Itll only take 1 day of constnat training and wild west mayhem for guilds to be forced to make their own agreements.

[Dolalin]

FFA rules would be the best solution

When your guild is full of absolute bellends who can't play nice with the other kids, the solution is clearly to get rid of the rules!

[Ella`Ella]

Not sure what is more entertaining and uninformed when it comes to raiding - posts from people with Europa in their signature or posts from members with green forums names.

[skarlorn]

Here's one simple way to get everyone to work together:

if another raid guild is suspended, GMs will recruit Chest of BDA to come in and make a bunch of decrees about how the raid scene will play out. He will be able to ban people and set whatever rules he desires, INCLUDING the ressurection of BDA as we once knew it.

[Spyder73]

Aftermath getting suspended is actually my favorite time of year (sorry my elf brethren but its true). I log on and actually XP with my guildies and I can get them to do stupid stuff with me like farming Sword of Pain for level 5 alts.

Also it gives me a 10 day buffer for the "attendance requirement" and I can get back to 10% RA within like a week and actually bid on an item or two with the DKP I have been hording for 3 years.

pras suspension week!!!!!

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

that AM suspension reads like sirken misunderstanding a complicated pull setup

considering sirken honestly doesn't understand how this game is played you're probably correct.

[Alde]

Not sure what is more entertaining and uninformed when it comes to raiding - posts from people with Europa in their signature or posts from members with green forums names.

lol, my thoughts

[Daldaen]

Promote Daldaen to a green name and name me Arbiter of Temple of Veeshan. I shall bring justice to this server.

[ErlickBachman]

Here's one simple way to get everyone to work together:

if another raid guild is suspended, GMs will recruit Chest of BDA to come in and make a bunch of decrees about how the raid scene will play out. He will be able to ban people and set whatever rules he desires, INCLUDING the ressurection of BDA as we once knew it.

Ummmm...how about no.

[Cecily]

Aftermath getting suspended is actually my favorite time of year (sorry my elf brethren but its true). I log on and actually XP with my guildies and I can get them to do stupid stuff with me like farming Sword of Pain for level 5 alts.

Also it gives me a 10 day buffer for the "attendance requirement" and I can get back to 10% RA within like a week and actually bid on an item or two with the DKP I have been hording for 3 years.

pras suspension week!!!!!

Yep. I loved getting suspended in TMO because killing everything took a little bit more effort than I enjoyed putting into EQ. But what else was I going to do with those 16 hours a day I wasn't sleeping +/- a few hours depending on 5am batphones. Pretty proud of myself.

[Raavak]

No time for fapping? I have an hour a day set aside. 2 on weekends.

[Cecily]

Didn't we have a Tracking and Whacking channel in Vent?

[Ennewi]

this post was written by an adult to another adult as if it is actually an insult.

This parchment was written by an elf to another elf as if it is actually an insult.

[Cecily]

Filbus' comment was a good post and you just ruins it. Stap.

[Mead]

A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days if found in violation. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioning guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). Habitual offenders of these rules will see increased time added to their suspensions each time they are suspended.

The habitual offenders clause probably needs some clarification. It can be interpreted to mean only on an individual basis, by referring to the individual suspensions sentence, or an entire guild would qualify, if referring to the entire paragraph.

[maskedmelonpai]

that AM suspension reads like sirken misunderstanding a complicated pull setup

are you in that guild? or the other one? im confused now. if you are you then maybe not, but i really don't know now. gonna need to think about this now.

[Watchmyfeet]

Is it safe to assume Harbogast wasn't on the Awakened mage that trained or was he?! As we all know he has a history of this! The plot thickens.

If he was, he was only doing his normal charity work. You guys have been having a rough time.

[Pokesan]

are you in that guild? or the other one? im confused now. if you are you then maybe not, but i really don't know now. gonna need to think about this now.

*rolls melon into a ball & shoots a three*

GOTTEM

[skarlorn]

Yep. I loved getting suspended in TMO because killing everything took a little bit more effort than I enjoyed putting into EQ. But what else was I going to do with those 16 hours a day I wasn't sleeping +/- a few hours depending on 5am batphones. Pretty proud of myself.

:')

[Watchmyfeet]

This coming from a guild requiring an alliance to kill Statue and AoW lol

You act as if AM has success with AoW.

[arsenalpow]

Cool server

[Kushie]

Yeah p99 raiding sounds great.

[Papa]

these p99 pixels have more meaning in them than any daybreak pixels ever could, dont you see

[wwoneo]

FFA rules would be the best solution. Itll only take 1 day of constnat training and wild west mayhem for guilds to be forced to make their own agreements.

I like this idea. SIRKEN BRING DA PAIN BY DISAPPEARING AND ABOLISHING RULES!

[markcosmin]

I don't know if anyone around here played prexus or remembers KTF and the debacle of the four warders, basically the GM's decided after hundreds of petitions from both sides on what to do about them constantly training each other they flagged the zone as PvP and refused to answer any petition or play part in the zones politics for 1 month.

Within 72 hours the guilds had an agreement that lasted until Luclin.

sometimes hands off is the best approach

[Daldaen]

In the meantime A/A, Agnarr is launching Velious next Wednesday! You can instance all the Velious raid content you desire. Perfect timing for this suspension to try it out.

Or you can roll on Phinigel and try to grind to 70 so you can experience OoW/DoN/DoDH/PoR at level 70. A great set of expansions for grouping and raiding.

[Check12345]

https://i.imgur.com/RlP9XyB.gif

[Fifield]

AW suspended for being silly purposely training trackers.
AM suspended for using a tactic both guilds used to pull.

I didn't like the lull pulling anyways. Someone's got to take a slap on wrists to stop it. AW took one for the alt tabbing. Our turn now.

Enjoy some raiding casuals. Eratani. Let's go back to handling these in house. Casuals win today.

[Atmas]

AW suspended for being silly purposely training trackers.
AM suspended for using a tactic both guilds used to pull.

I didn't like the lull pulling anyways. Someone's got to take a slap on wrists to stop it. AW took one for the alt tabbing. Our turn now.

Enjoy some raiding casuals. Eratani. Let's go back to handling these in house. Casuals win today.

Mostly agree, though I don't really expect to see casuals guilds do much. Would be interesting to see them try to get some of the tougher mobs.

[Papa]

if you dont identify as a casual i feel bad for you son

[Ennewi]

Filbus' comment was a good post and you just ruins it. Stap.

It was and I did but only to point out what might otherwise go unacknowledged in rnf, which was the well-placed use of irony, throwing in the word autism "as if it is actually an insult" right after commenting on someone's attempt to insult another. I just thought it was clever is all.

[Cecily]

Fair point and I'm guilty of participating in that myself, although I am trying to not do it anymore. Autism is just heart breaking at its worst and even in high-functioning cases using it as an insult is just petty high school level bullying bullshit which I would hope we've all moved beyond in our fucking 30s.

[Docx]

http://www.ign.com/videos/2017/11/03/blizzard-reveals-world-of-warcraft-classic

[Heebs13]

if you dont identify as a casual i feel bad for you son

I got 99 problems but raid attendance isn't one?

[Heebs13]

http://www.ign.com/videos/2017/11/03/blizzard-reveals-world-of-warcraft-classic

I will definitely keep my eye on this, but I am tempering my expectations of Blizzard actually getting it right. It needs to Actually be the classic experience, not just a 'hey we removed levels 61-110 and made a half-assed attempt at making old content non-faceroll.' The big thing I'll be looking for is the old honor system and classic AV. We'll see what details they release as time passes.

[Naethyn]

I hope its prediminishing returns.

[Fifield]

Mostly agree, though I don't really expect to see casuals guilds do much. Would be interesting to see them try to get some of the tougher mobs.

Last time we were suspended they got them all down.

It's not hard. Throw your 120 man zerg with a 1 second chain on any tank and tov mobs will die.

[Mistle]

Mostly agree, though I don't really expect to see casuals guilds do much. Would be interesting to see them try to get some of the tougher mobs.

Oh god, you're one of those people who thinks EQ raids take skill, aren't you...

[Skew]

8 out of 10 flies say the best wall to be on during an AA suspension is VP.

[Heebs13]

8 out of 10 flies say the best wall to be on during an AA suspension is VP.

I am triggered by your failure to reduce that fraction to 4 out of 5.

[Cecily]

Not getting why would there only be 4 flies? Fly populations tend to increase over time.

[RedXIII]

Still waiting for CSG to crawl TOV to kill dragons.

The big bad evil A/A suspended. Prove to us that you can actually do it, was not just some propaganda to tell the GM's the big dogs dont allow you to play the game the way you "wanted to play".

Rofl. Hypocrites scrubs.

[Mead]

I woke up just in time

[Cecily]

Still waiting for CSG to crawl TOV to kill dragons.

The big bad evil A/A suspended. Prove to us that you can actually do it, was not just some propaganda to tell the GM's the big dogs dont allow you to play the game the way you "wanted to play".

Rofl. Hypocrites scrubs.

You poor thing.

[Mead]

You poor thing.

Not gonna lie, he's probably my favorite character on these forums

It's like he accepted the never go full retard challenge

[Detoxx]

Last time we were suspended they got them all down.

It's not hard. Throw your 120 man zerg with a 1 second chain on any tank and tov mobs will die.

Much harder with no binds and leashing friend, you know this!

[Rygar]

Still waiting for CSG to crawl TOV to kill dragons.

The big bad evil A/A suspended. Prove to us that you can actually do it, was not just some propaganda to tell the GM's the big dogs dont allow you to play the game the way you "wanted to play".

Rofl. Hypocrites scrubs.

Sadly i do doubt this would happen. If it does it would just be out of necessity (i.e. can't figure a leash pull out or something).

I love my AG and i have asked on guild message board back when i was raiding during an A/A suspension (when Nemce was leading no doubt) to crawl just ONE dragon out of the 8 or whatever on our list and unfortunately all the excuses came flying (well we may forfeit a mob if we wipe, harder CR if we fail, small windows in the rotations and we can't hold others up, we may not get this chance again so should play it safe, there's them Flurry drakes. ..)

All in all it was disheartening and disappointing to hear based off what i read on p99 forums as guild stance. Wanted to do the experience of the crawl.

I haven't been able to log in for like 3 months but i do hope our guild / alliance tries a crawl and has some FUN during their ToV time! You can do it guys!

[Pokesan]

Sadly i do doubt this would happen. If it does it would just be out of necessity (i.e. can't figure a leash pull out or something).

I love my AG and i have asked on guild message board back when i was raiding during an A/A suspension (when Nemce was leading no doubt) to crawl just ONE dragon out of the 8 or whatever on our list and unfortunately all the excuses came flying (well we may forfeit a mob if we wipe, harder CR if we fail, small windows in the rotations and we can't hold others up, we may not get this chance again so should play it safe, there's them Flurry drakes. ..)

All in all it was disheartening and disappointing to hear based off what i read on p99 forums as guild stance. Wanted to do the experience of the crawl.

I haven't been able to log in for like 3 months but i do hope our guild / alliance tries a crawl and has some FUN during their ToV time! You can do it guys!

yea but rustle isn't here to enforce rotation forfeits anymore. crawl all you want!

[bilirubin]

Still waiting for CSG to crawl TOV to kill dragons.

The big bad evil A/A suspended. Prove to us that you can actually do it, was not just some propaganda to tell the GM's the big dogs dont allow you to play the game the way you "wanted to play".

Rofl. Hypocrites scrubs.


all your posts are edgy af. 100% you main reaper.

[Mead]

https://i.imgur.com/agbrrzo.jpg

it's nice to see everyone broadening their horizons and getting the full Norrathian experience

[kotton05]

Someone stop redwiz from posting.

Glad to see the weaponized autism is still going strong I’m sure deathproof is leading many raids (lol) and the ToV pulling mechanics are easy�� stop acting like they couldn’t do it.

[Fasttimes]

Someone stop redwiz from posting.

Glad to see the weaponized autism is still going strong I’m sure deathproof is leading many raids (lol) and the ToV pulling mechanics are easy�� stop acting like they couldn’t do it.

Baby come back, you can blame it all on me

[Capi]

Baby come back, you can blame it all on me

I was wrong, and I just can't live without you.

[Mead]

I wonder if the casual guilds even have enough people VP keyed to kill PD

I know one of them was in VP a long while ago during double suspension, but a lot of those dudes might have been absorbed by now

[Lhancelot]

Wonder what would happen to the guild members of AM/AW if both got handed 1 month suspensions?

Would they disband and reform new guilds? Would they quit? Would they leave AM/AW and join other already existing guilds and ascend them to higher levels of raiding? Would they simply wait it out and level alts?

Can some AM/AW people respond I am legitimately curious!

[Arkanjil]

Paradigm Shift might have the numbers for it

[kotton05]

Baby come back, you can blame it all on me

Tempting , I’ll come back the day before the suspension ends and help pull the rest so the a/a zergs must wait another 7 days xD

[Fasttimes]

Tempting , I’ll come back the day before the suspension ends and help pull the rest so the a/a zergs must wait another 7 days xD

Works for me, more time on rust.

[Freakish]

I wonder if the casual guilds even have enough people VP keyed to kill PD

I know one of them was in VP a long while ago during double suspension, but a lot of those dudes might have been absorbed by now

I probably have enough characters alone keyed to kill PD.

[Lhancelot]

Tempting , I’ll come back the day before the suspension ends and help pull the rest so the a/a zergs must wait another 7 days xD

Pixel withdrawals will be at an all time high with these poor folk, don't be cruel. :(

[getsome]

I probably have enough characters alone keyed to kill PD.

When do we plan to kill PD?

[skarlorn]

PD pop! logging in filbus.





^none of the above is true

[Fasttimes]

Kiting PD, concede

[skarlorn]

meet me in Phara Dar's lair
i recline on a pile of treasure
toss my hair like a flare
i just don't care
i'm an elvish slave, not a raider

[Fasttimes]

meet me in Phara Dar's lair
i recline on a pile of treasure
toss my hair like a flare
i just don't care
i'm an elvish slave, not a raider

Bars

[Dreenk317]

Mostly agree, though I don't really expect to see casuals guilds do much. Would be interesting to see them try to get some of the tougher mobs.

Not necessarily tougher mobs, but BG and Anon ran around all night with a kill crew and put some marks on the wall with kills on (I believe this is accurate according to friends): Faydadar, Kelorak'dar, Severilous, Trakanon, Terror/Dread/Fright, Dracoliche, Naggy, Vox, VS, and...... I think that's it.

Way to go guys, proud of you!

[Phenyo]

meet me in Phara Dar's lair
i recline on a pile of treasure
toss my hair like a flare
i just don't care
i'm an elvish slave, not a raider

crniging real hard4 u

[Mistle]

Imagine how different this server would be if Sirken actually played on it at some point in the last seven years.

[Lhancelot]

Imagine how different this server would be if Sirken actually played on it at some point in the last seven years.

I am pretty sure he has hidden alts he secretly plays.

[Mead]

Imagine how different this server would be if Sirken actually played on it at some point in the last seven years.

Imagine how different the server would be if you didn’t have Sirken to babysit you idiots

[Ravager]

i think they used to ban guilds but they would just reform.

Honestly what they should do is increase the suspension time by a few days after each subsequent suspension.
This. It's the same 40 assholes shitting on everyone else regardless of bans.

[sereal]

i think they used to ban guilds but they would just reform.

Honestly what they should do is increase the suspension time by a few days after each subsequent suspension.

I'd like to see some creative punishments like forcing these guilds to do community service like help other guilds raid, do open raids, etc.

It's clear punishment doesn't work.

[markcosmin]

Punishment works, jail does not, depriving some one of something psychologically has 2 effects - they become worse criminals or they simply wait and do it again, this is a thousands year process, there is no fix....or it would be somewhere in real life working.

Only proven way is let people work it out themselves. Civil wars etc work this way.

You always have chaos and peace, you can't simply control chaos, you just put it off a bit longer

[sereal]

Punishment works, jail does not, depriving some one of something psychologically has 2 effects - they become worse criminals or they simply wait and do it again, this is a thousands year process, there is no fix....or it would be somewhere in real life working.

Reforming people has proven more effective than punishment. Reason the USA doesn't do this is because prisons are privatised. It's also a hard sell for the public to be nice to criminals.

So instead of banning a guild from raiding, maybe there are some ways to encourage or teach better behaviour. Or maybe whatever it's fuckin pixels

[Lhancelot]

Reforming people has proven more effective than punishment. Reason the USA doesn't do this is because prisons are privatised. It's also a hard sell for the public to be nice to criminals.


The highly addicted pixel addicts simply need help. Do not give up on them! I believe what the server needs is a system of rehabilitation. Pixel addiction is real, folks.

A three strikes rule should be implemented. it's not fair punishing entire guilds for the actions of individuals.

First violation of Server Raid Rules: The player is banned from raiding for 2 weeks.

Second violation of Server Raid Rules: The player is banned from raiding for 1 month.

Third violation of Server Raid Rules: The player who is found guilty of violating the Server Raid Rules three times must immediately be romoved from their guild, and placed into the P99 Totally Addicted Rehabilitation Development System (TARDS).

Note: The entire guild is NOT punished for the actions of the player(s) who created the infraction. Often times, a TARD acts alone, and has no control of their actions thus they will do ANYTHING to get high end pixels. By this point, the player needs an intervention and that's where TARDS comes in.



TARDS and how it can help you or your loved ones in 3 easy steps!


We already have an operating guild (Auld Lang Syne) that could possibly help rehabilitate these offenders into more healthy productive community members allowing them to stay on P99 once they have successfully completed the TARDS program!


1. First step is to wean the highly addicted pixel addict from their pixels. We can begin this step by removing them from their guilds, and surrounding them around players who have no such addiction. We already have a guild running, ALS (Auld Lang Syne) which has many players who could give pixel addicts an alternative and more healthy outlook in life while on P99, a life that doesn't revolve around high end expensive DKP dragon pixels.

***If ALS wishes no part in helping TARDS, then a new guild will need to be created for the sole purpose of weaning pixel addicts from high end pixels.***

2. Once the pixel addict has proven to be clean and have no more desire for high end pixels, they may leave the TARDS program if they so choose. There is a minimum period of 6 months time that the pixel addict must stay in the TARDS program, as it's been tested and proven that a 6 month period of abstinence is necessary for all traces of high end pixels to be eradicated from the pixel addicts brain.

3. Sadly since the pixel addict has proven incapable of controlling their behavior while intoxicated by high end pixels, they may never rejoin a "high end" raiding guild while on P99. They can however find fun and enjoyment on P99, doing all the other activities that P99 provides!


***Any offender of Server Raid Rules who completes TARDS and then joins back up with any "high end" raiding guild or who violates Raid Server Rules a second time will be perma-banned from P99.***




TL;DR


1. Server Raid Rules violators are punished solely, not their guild.

2. The Server Raid Rules violator is punished accordingly: first violation banned for 2 weeks, second violation banned for one month, third violation warrants the player be placed in TARDS. TARDS is a rehabiliation program designed to wean the pixel addict from high end pixels, and allow them to remain on P99 HOWEVER they may never join a high end raid guild again.

3. Any player that completed TARDS and violates the Server Raid Rules again or joins a "high end" raiding guild is perma-banned from P99.

[Zekayy]

Personally I really dont give a shit if were suspended or not, it doesnt stop me from logging on alts and leveling them.....

[Heebs13]

Personally I really dont give a shit if were suspended or not, it doesnt stop me from logging on alts and leveling them.....

This sums up the feeling from both guilds pretty much.

[Daldaen]

Still waiting for CSG to crawl TOV to kill dragons.

The big bad evil A/A suspended. Prove to us that you can actually do it, was not just some propaganda to tell the GM's the big dogs dont allow you to play the game the way you "wanted to play".

Rofl. Hypocrites scrubs.

I crawled NToV with my casual pals, we are doing Vulak Ring event tonight! Having 3 simultaneous CH chains rolling on 3 different defensive tanks during the Wave 13 triple flurry probably most difficult part of NToV. Those death carrion adds pile up quick during flurry wave if any of your 15+ rolling clerics misses their CH and no soulfires and reapers to cover them. Hard-mode EQ at its best.

[Detoxx]

I crawled NToV with my casual pals, we are doing Vulak Ring event tonight! Having 3 simultaneous CH chains rolling on 3 different defensive tanks during the Wave 13 triple flurry probably most difficult part of NToV. Those death carrion adds pile up quick during flurry wave if any of your 15+ rolling clerics misses their CH and no soulfires and reapers to cover them. Hard-mode EQ at its best.

That really doesnt sound that difficult. 1-5 on 1, 6-10 on antoher 11-15 on last.

[Daldaen]

Toxx... I've seen Awakened and Aftermath raid.

Ya'll bitch if a single normal green drake shows up in camp during a dragon. You would crumble so hard against triple flurry drakes that spawn PBAE Gflux drakes for each player or pet death.

But please... push Nilbog to implement Ring of Vulak. The server would be 10x better if it actually had a challenging raid event that a zerg doesn't make trivial.

[Fasttimes]

Wow classic server > phinny/agnarr

[Daldaen]

Word on the street is they have the classic WoW code, unlike the EQ TLP servers which are based off modern EQ code. So you may very well be correct.

I never played WoW at any point... but Classic WoW does sound tempting.

[Prismaticshop]

Classic Wow might be a big hit to Blue99 indeed

[Lhancelot]

Classic Wow might be a big hit to Blue99 indeed

I hope so. We need to cull the herd.

[kotton05]

Toxx... I've seen Awakened and Aftermath raid.

Ya'll bitch if a single normal green drake shows up in camp during a dragon. You would crumble so hard against triple flurry drakes that spawn PBAE Gflux drakes for each player or pet death.

But please... push Nilbog to implement Ring of Vulak. The server would be 10x better if it actually had a challenging raid event that a zerg doesn't make trivial.

I lol’d because you’re right I’ve seen this happen.

[Daloon]

Classic Wow might be a big hit to Blue99 indeed
You overestimate p99'ers willingness/ability to pay $15/month.

[Lhancelot]

You overestimate p99'ers willingness/ability to pay $15/month.

That's my opinion tbh. I see lots of people who like the fact this is free, and it requires a minimal PC to run on. P99 fills a niche for many people.

[skarlorn]

That's my opinion tbh. I see lots of people who like the fact this is free, and it requires a minimal PC to run on. P99 fills a niche for many people.

aka unemployable addicts who cannot afford a nominal fee per month to fund their 60 hour a week gaming habit or procure decent hardware to play current games


yiiiikez

[ErlickBachman]

Wow classic server > phinny/agnarr

That's the god damn truth.

[Skew]

Wow classic server > phinny/agnarr

Probably.

Still , i thought WoW looked like My Little Pony with elves 10 years ago , trying to play it now id probably feel like a pedo. Serious immersion killer. Not saying that anyone >30 yrs old playing WoW is a pedo. You just might be.

[Fasttimes]

Probably.

Still , i thought WoW looked like My Little Pony with elves 10 years ago , trying to play it now id probably feel like a pedo. Serious immersion killer. Not saying that anyone >30 yrs old playing WoW is a pedo. You just might be.

Rolling human pally names kevin spacey

[sereal]

I doubt many p99 blue players would switch to a WoW classic server. Maybe if you're on your 5th alt here and banned from raiding for a few weeks you will hop on to stomp everyone? I also doubt many of the p99 players would scoff at paying the price of a pack of Canadian cigarettes a month to play for a sub. You could literally take a afternoon to panhandle for change to make $15.

Classic WoW wasn't actually that good - better than modern WoW but still. In WoW the only competition is being 'first' to do something.

[Naethyn]

I bet the folks at WoW already approached a few of the player leaders in the wowemu community. Just like they did with Everquest's player leaders.

[Fasttimes]

I bet the folks at WoW already approached a few of the player leaders in the wowemu community. Just like they did with Everquest's player leaders.

That's the word on the streets

[Lhancelot]

I doubt many p99 blue players would switch to a WoW classic server.

I have more than 5 alts, and I still will never log into WOW again. I have tried WOW countless times hoping I could find it fun enough to keep my attention longer than 3-4 weeks and it always fails me.

Truth of the matter is I am sick of P99, bored shitless. Examined every class/race combo, got more than enough platinum for gears I find suitable to gear my alts, and I am just burned out on P99. I love the server, but without anything new for so long I just have started to lose my desire to press on lately.

All that being said, I will not try WOW. That's how boring and unentertaining I find it. I hope Pantheon is out before 2019. Even if it's bad, at least it will be something new.

[Pokesan]

I have more than 5 alts, and I still will never log into WOW again. I have tried WOW countless times hoping I could find it fun enough to keep my attention longer than 3-4 weeks and it always fails me.

Truth of the matter is I am sick of P99, bored shitless. Examined every class/race combo, got more than enough platinum for gears I find suitable to gear my alts, and I am just burned out on P99. I love the server, but without anything new for so long I just have started to lose my desire to press on lately.

All that being said, I will not try WOW. That's how boring and unentertaining I find it. I hope Pantheon is out before 2019. Even if it's bad, at least it will be something new.

takp, b*tch

[Byel]

Honestly I really liked the Wowkemon update after panda. I had alot of fun w that, but that was it. Wows awful

[loramin]

Truth of the matter is I am sick of P99, bored shitless. Examined every class/race combo, got more than enough platinum for gears I find suitable to gear my alts, and I am just burned out on P99. I love the server, but without anything new for so long I just have started to lose my desire to press on lately.

Maybe it's time to explore a new aspect of the game?

You could learn about in-game lore and history. Or you could stream on twitch or make youtube videos. Or you could try raiding once a week with a casual raiding guild (Anonymous is recruiting ...). Or you could try getting to 250 in a tradeskill. Or you could try adding the collective wisdom from all your explorations to the wiki.

Or you could even try Red! (:eek:)

Maybe you just need a break, but if not and you really just need new stuff then I suspect that new stuff is waiting for you: you just have to go looking for it in new places. This game has so many layers (including ones like Twitch and the wiki that aren't even in the game) that there's bound to be something you haven't explored yet.

[Skew]

Im going to take a guess at 50 cumulative or 5 in a row (50 days consecutive)
Why is no one else coming up with a number ? Pretty simple question.

ps: disbanding TMO 1.0 sure fixed p99 raiding eh? You might be barking up the wrong tree mate.

[sereal]

I have more than 5 alts, and I still will never log into WOW again. I have tried WOW countless times hoping I could find it fun enough to keep my attention longer than 3-4 weeks and it always fails me.

Truth of the matter is I am sick of P99, bored shitless. Examined every class/race combo, got more than enough platinum for gears I find suitable to gear my alts, and I am just burned out on P99. I love the server, but without anything new for so long I just have started to lose my desire to press on lately.

All that being said, I will not try WOW. That's how boring and unentertaining I find it. I hope Pantheon is out before 2019. Even if it's bad, at least it will be something new.

This is why SoE made more expansions and brought in AA. You had to play a fuck ton to max out on AA and actually do all the content in luclin and PoP

[skarlorn]

Truth of the matter is I am sick of P99, bored shitless. Examined every class/race combo, got more than enough platinum for gears I find suitable to gear my alts, and I am just burned out on P99. I love the server, but without anything new for so long I just have started to lose my desire to press on lately.

same;


Your only options now are extremely intricate meta-games, ALS, NTTR, or forumquest.

[Pokesan]

same;


Your only options now are extremely intricate meta-games, ALS, NTTR, or forumquest.

there's also fashionquest.

who will get server first FULL NATHSAR? it's purple and weird!!

way more exciting than pooping dragons

[Maner]

Has RnF always been the same group of 5-6 people circle jerking with each other? I assume the names have changed but when 90% of the posts in RnF are from the same people, maybe they need some type of intervention.

[Cecily]

Occasionally we change guilds to mix up the rotation every once in awhile. For example, in this iteration of RnF we're friends!

[Detoxx]

Toxx... I've seen Awakened and Aftermath raid.

Ya'll bitch if a single normal green drake shows up in camp during a dragon. You would crumble so hard against triple flurry drakes that spawn PBAE Gflux drakes for each player or pet death.

But please... push Nilbog to implement Ring of Vulak. The server would be 10x better if it actually had a challenging raid event that a zerg doesn't make trivial.

unexpected adds vs planning for multiple mobs. totally the same thing bro

[skarlorn]

Has RnF always been the same group of 5-6 people circle jerking with each other? I assume the names have changed but when 90% of the posts in RnF are from the same people, maybe they need some type of intervention.

Things would be better if <Kittens> would life their forum censorship.

[Daldaen]

I concede they are not the same thing. That being said... If you can't handle a random single 300 hitting drake, you are gonna struggle trying to prepare for 3 rape drakes with potential GFluxing adds that interrupt all CH chains.

P99ers do a lot of things well. Handling surprise adds / splitting up focus is not one of them. Mostly because the classes that do that the best (SK/Paladins) are generally trashed and considered useless, and because pulls are considered failures if a dragons doesn't appear at the zone line solo.

Even with planning I guarantee you P99ers would fail over and over to the Vulak ring. Sucks when the hardest wave comes 2 hours into the event and a single death and cascade into a wipe forcing you to attempt again after spending 30+ min CRing. Hard mode EQ is great.

But I forgot what was this thread about? EQers can't play EQ because some stupid rules got broken? Remove all rules in ToV and let A/A continue to share the rest of the content. That's about the best you can hope for in A/A.

[Pokesan]

Has RnF always been the same group of 5-6 people circle jerking with each other? I assume the names have changed but when 90% of the posts in RnF are from the same people, maybe they need some type of intervention.

we chased all the enemies away and now we must devour ourselves

[Lammy]

When do we plan to kill PD?

Can I come?

[Mytral]

Still waiting for CSG to crawl TOV to kill dragons.

The big bad evil A/A suspended. Prove to us that you can actually do it, was not just some propaganda to tell the GM's the big dogs dont allow you to play the game the way you "wanted to play".

Rofl. Hypocrites scrubs.

Had a blast this weekend doing a good old fashioned dungeon crawl in NToV this weekend! Thanks to my CSG mates for a great time!!!!!!!

[Lhancelot]

Maybe it's time to explore a new aspect of the game?

You could learn about in-game lore and history. Or you could stream on twitch or make youtube videos. Or you could try raiding once a week with a casual raiding guild (Anonymous is recruiting ...). Or you could try getting to 250 in a tradeskill. Or you could try adding the collective wisdom from all your explorations to the wiki.

Or you could even try Red! (:eek:)

Maybe you just need a break, but if not and you really just need new stuff then I suspect that new stuff is waiting for you: you just have to go looking for it in new places. This game has so many layers (including ones like Twitch and the wiki that aren't even in the game) that there's bound to be something you haven't explored yet.

I don't do twitch and streams that stuff doesn't interest me at all. You bring up some ideas though, like getting a trade skill to 250. That's a good one man. :)

What race would level tailoring easiest? I know none are easy, but I seen some races have cultural recipes that might make tailoring easier to level. If I go into trade skill I want to go into lucrative one, maybe blacksmithing would be better? Hmm going to think on it.

I also got a shaman, could always work alchemy too... Ok going to think about this.

[Mead]

Had a blast this weekend doing a good old fashioned dungeon crawl in NToV this weekend! Thanks to my CSG mates for a great time!!!!!!!

Did you guys get Vulak down? What were loots?

[Sadiki]

Did you guys get Vulak down? What were loots?
Vyrinn Earring, Palladius Axe, Sal'Varae Robe

[Nathaniel]

Still waiting for CSG to crawl TOV to kill dragons.

The big bad evil A/A suspended. Prove to us that you can actually do it, was not just some propaganda to tell the GM's the big dogs dont allow you to play the game the way you "wanted to play".

Rofl. Hypocrites scrubs.

There. NToV CRAWLED by casual scum last night. Reports state only triplets left up.

[Bruno]

When do we plan to kill PD?

I r camped at zone in still not kos.
Lmk when u want train up boss.

[Droog007]

Not getting why would there only be 4 flies? Fly populations tend to increase over time.
Gawd... OK. There can still be 10 flies, Cecily. There can be 1000 flies. But you don't SAY "800 out of 1000 flies"... because that's just dumb.

Also... P99ers on the whole probably don't do a lot of "moving past things" now that they've reached their "30s". They're more the "circling back around" type.

[sereal]

I don't do twitch and streams that stuff doesn't interest me at all. You bring up some ideas though, like getting a trade skill to 250. That's a good one man. :)

What race would level tailoring easiest? I know none are easy, but I seen some races have cultural recipes that might make tailoring easier to level. If I go into trade skill I want to go into lucrative one, maybe blacksmithing would be better? Hmm going to think on it.

I also got a shaman, could always work alchemy too... Ok going to think about this.

max alcohol tolerance.

If you want a challenge max it only by drinking brews you made.

[dbouya]

that AM suspension reads like sirken misunderstanding a complicated pull setup

Maybe. However they wouldn't have received this punishment if the "Accidental" target that they'd "promised" not to engage had been allowed to either reset, or wipe them. No matter what they did in the zone, the only end result they absolutely couldn't have happen was them killing Vyemm. Even if their pull past Vyemm was valid, after Vyemm got aggro'd by them, they had to do everything in their power to keep him alive (up to and including dying on purpose.)

Now if their plan wasn't pre-meditated, yes, the punishment seems harsh, if their plan WAS intentional and pre-meditated the punishment seems light. Hence why the punishment is set in stone and not up to sirken's judgement in the matter. No matter how much he misunderstood ntov it didn't matter because he couldn't deviate from the number of days being set at 10.

[getsome]

Even with planning I guarantee you P99ers would fail over and over to the Vulak ring. Sucks when the hardest wave comes 2 hours into the event and a single death and cascade into a wipe forcing you to attempt again after spending 30+ min CRing. Hard mode EQ is great.

a bunch of us P99ers already beat the hard mode vulak ring on eqmac back in 2012. I believe we were the 2nd guild in ten years to have done so on that server and on our first and only attempt.

what is your next guarantee?

[Pokesan]

a bunch of us P99ers already beat the hard mode vulak ring on eqmac back in 2012. I believe we were the 2nd guild in ten years to have done so on that server and on our first and only attempt.

what is your next guarantee?

i think he wants you to do it in-era

[Daldaen]

a bunch of us P99ers already beat the hard mode vulak ring on eqmac back in 2012. I believe we were the 2nd guild in ten years to have done so on that server and on our first and only attempt.

what is your next guarantee?

Screenshots or didn't happen.

[Check12345]

Quarm on eqmac, where dreams of victory went to die.

[Pokesan]

it's a real shame rampage couldn't beat RoVulak without PoP gear/spells

[markcosmin]

I think what everyone needs at this point is a yellow/green/purple server - my vote is teams pvp - you wanna see 500+ pop thriving server with a reset on raid rules? you do this.

Just sucks, Sirken and others have said blue must be COMPLETELY polished and that red will never see a wipe.

These raid suspensions are over dumb things imo, increasing the length does nothing. Let them work out the issues between themselves.

[loramin]

Just sucks, Sirken and others have said blue must be COMPLETELY polished and that red will never see a wipe.

The entire purpose of building and managing Blue for the past eight years has not been to give you (or anyone else for that matter) a place to play; it has been to get fully working classic EQ code (ie. "polish").

It would make no sense whatsoever to wait that long, put all that effort in, and then release a new server that's not 100% classic, when the entire point of everything that came before it was to get a 100% classic server.

[getsome]

Screenshots or didn't happen.

they were posted on these boards a long time ago.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=756531&postcount=155

http://i.imgur.com/fnj2fwj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JLvxc2o.jpg

[Daldaen]

Impressive... granted most/all of the characters there are level 65 with spells, gear and AAs from Luclin/PoP. But still you managed to defeat the event.

Now would A/A or even CSG be able to defeat Vulak Ring at level 60 without AAs, AE Resist/Regen songs, MGB HoTs, and a bunch of better gear? Signs all point to no. I think the first double Flurry in Wave 7 would round a tank due to bad split CH rots then lead to death adds that interrupt the other CH rot. But I'd love to be proved wrong.

[getsome]

The only other guild on that server to defeat the ring prior to us took over five years after first entering ntov and were in elemental gear or better.

Needless to say a bunch of us p99er's beat that content a couple months after forming Tse as we were simultaneously progressing thru luclin and pop.

Not sure why you have disdain for P99 players (maybe a side affect of being in taken so long)I have always sought and found out top tier gamers to kill stuff with no matter which server.

If you played on eqmac you would know about the mechanics and old school damage tables for meelee and spells that would make that server much different than servers available now.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6566#m1243372900317032965

Have you ever killed vulak ring?

[Pokesan]

relitigating eqmac should be a posting suspension.

tse lost, that's a fact.

[Daldaen]

I don't have disdain for P99 players. The server/content leads to long time P99ers having certain strengths and certain weaknesses. I'm just speaking to what those are.

P99 players are very good was using P99 game mechanics to single pull mobs without traditional FD splitting and offtanking. This was illuminated by the standard VP pull methods for 3+ years, the ToV CotH and footrace pulls, and their current chain-link pulls. They're also pretty good at utilizing every clicky available to extend the ability beyond class lines. Though this is largely made possible due to a bloated economy of 7 years in 2 expansions and no real platinum sinks except Tink bags and very few quests like Jboots/Lodi Shield/Epics. I don't think guilds on a Re-99 server will as easily burn through Prayers of Life and Puppet String charges though.

P99 players however are not great at crawling through content and dealing with split priorities like multiple trash mobs in camp. Often times due to the server they don't have time due to neckbeard competition and just have to faceroll train through stuff rather than split/break/clear areas. Especially in more difficult zones like ST, NToV, etc. They also don't have any encounters that punish zerging in the way Shei Vinitras, Ring of Vulak and later mobs like Carprin Cycle, Vishimtar, etc. punish deaths. Some of these in era require you be flawless and don't eat unnecessary deaths. For example Naethyn's 150 man Zerg would get punished hard during the carrion waves.

Also I played on Al'Kabor. Raided everything from Kael - PoTime and even got to experience the OP Quarm that only Afterlife, Township Rebellion and Temerity had the joy of looking at and realizing "18 second unresistable Stun, who the fuck thought this was a good idea". I've done Vulak Ring successfully about 10 times. Wiped to many different points in the ring and had much fun with it. That being said, once Luclin raids are available I don't blame guilds for rarely going back to NToV again. Fairly shitty zone outside of Vulak ring.

[Mead]

The only other guild on that server to defeat the ring prior to us took over five years after first entering ntov and were in elemental gear or better.

Needless to say a bunch of us p99er's beat that content a couple months after forming Tse as we were simultaneously progressing thru luclin and pop.

Not sure why you have disdain for P99 players (maybe a side affect of being in taken so long)I have always sought and found out top tier gamers to kill stuff with no matter which server.

If you played on eqmac you would know about the mechanics and old school damage tables for meelee and spells that would make that server much different than servers available now.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6566#m1243372900317032965

Have you ever killed vulak ring?

Bobbybick is an Allahkazam Admin. Why am I not surprised

[Mead]

I don't have disdain for P99 players. The server/content leads to long time P99ers having certain strengths and certain weaknesses. I'm just speaking to what those are.

P99 players are very good was using P99 game mechanics to single pull mobs without traditional FD splitting and offtanking. This was illuminated by the standard VP pull methods for 3+ years, the ToV CotH and footrace pulls, and their current chain-link pulls. They're also pretty good at utilizing every clicky available to extend the ability beyond class lines. Though this is largely made possible due to a bloated economy of 7 years in 2 expansions and no real platinum sinks except Tink bags and very few quests like Jboots/Lodi Shield/Epics. I don't think guilds on a Re-99 server will as easily burn through Prayers of Life and Puppet String charges though.

P99 players however are not great at crawling through content and dealing with split priorities like multiple trash mobs in camp. Often times due to the server they don't have time due to neckbeard competition and just have to faceroll train through stuff rather than split/break/clear areas. Especially in more difficult zones like ST, NToV, etc. They also don't have any encounters that punish zerging in the way Shei Vinitras, Ring of Vulak and later mobs like Carprin Cycle, Vishimtar, etc. punish deaths. Some of these in era require you be flawless and don't eat unnecessary deaths. For example Naethyn's 150 man Zerg would get punished hard during the carrion waves.

Also I played on Al'Kabor. Raided everything from Kael - PoTime and even got to experience the OP Quarm that only Afterlife, Township Rebellion and Temerity had the joy of looking at and realizing "18 second unresistable Stun, who the fuck thought this was a good idea". I've done Vulak Ring successfully about 10 times. Wiped to many different points in the ring and had much fun with it. That being said, once Luclin raids are available I don't blame guilds for rarely going back to NToV again. Fairly shitty zone outside of Vulak ring.

I will take 60x p99 players vs 60x tlp players any day, in any scenario. The high end p99 players are operating on different levels than these guys on tlp. This is coming from someone who played on eqmac, phinny, and agnarr. And a lot of the ones leading the raids are ex p99 players such as getsome. If you think they can't priorities mobs, cc, offtank, kite, and be efficient, then you obviously haven't been playing with the right people. It's not even close.

[Daldaen]

Your run of the mill TLP player is AFK 50% of the time. So if I were picking average joes, yea TLPs are dumpsters to pull attentive raiders from.

But I'd favor the high end TLP guild players over high end P99 players for raiding purposes. TLP players aren't encumbered by having to follow Sirken rules or having to stay up 10 hours wall staring in order to raid. Plus these TLP players are used to splitting content and doing raids with bare minimum numbers to maximize loot.

[Mead]

Your run of the mill TLP player is AFK 50% of the time. So if I were picking average joes, yea TLPs are dumpsters to pull attentive raiders from.

But I'd favor the high end TLP guild players over high end P99 players for raiding purposes. TLP players aren't encumbered by having to follow Sirken rules or having to stay up 10 hours wall staring in order to raid. Plus these TLP players are used to splitting content and doing raids with bare minimum numbers to maximize loot.

You got salt for days mang. They really got to you.

[Raev]

A successful raid guild on Project 1999 requires people who are both able to answer batphones a high percentage of the time and stare at a wall for 0-16 hours until a dragon appears. There are people who are willing and able to do this who are also very good players. Snacks and Hokushin, for example. But in general there have been a lot of warm bodies who fill in the gaps.

Of course, even a warm body gets decent at this fairly simple game after 10 years. I seem to remember Chest talking about how they crushed a Phinigel guild on a race for CT or something. But then as soon as Luclin and PoP hit they fell behind without their experience edge.

[Daldaen]

You got salt for days mang. They really got to you.

Nah bruh. Just speaking truth. TLP players would get crushed on P99 cause they don't have the P99 hate/pull mechanics figured out and 98% of them don't want to facetrack for 16 hours for a dragon. P99 players would get crushed by semi-complicated events you can't just slow-corner-tank.

[Mead]

A successful raid guild on Project 1999 requires people who are both able to answer batphones a high percentage of the time and stare at a wall for 0-16 hours until a dragon appears. There are people who are willing and able to do this who are also very good players. Snacks and Hokushin, for example. But in general there have been a lot of warm bodies who fill in the gaps.

Of course, even a warm body gets decent at this fairly simple game after 10 years. I seem to remember Chest talking about how they crushed a Phinigel guild on a race for CT or something. But then as soon as Luclin and PoP hit they fell behind without their experience edge.

Yea, maybe that's where the confusion is. I'm not talking about BDA, AG, Anonymous, Europa, Kittens, and Dial A Port (sorry guys). I'm talking about the top tier players in IB, TR, Rampage, TMO, Awakened, Rustle, and Aftermath. The authentic neckbeards on p99 vs any of the top ones on tlp.

[Fragged]

It's the same gawd damn people you idiots.

[Mead]

It's the same gawd damn people you idiots.

Calm down

[Fasttimes]

REEEEeEeeeeEE

[Daldaen]

It's the same gawd damn people you idiots.

The overlap I'm sure is fairly deep, but there's a handful of neckbeard on P99 that would never TLP because not classic, Luclin too good, or don't want to spend $15/month. There's also a handful of neckbeards on TLPs that would never P99 because not legit EQ.

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

Nah bruh. Just speaking truth. TLP players would get crushed on P99 cause they don't have the P99 hate/pull mechanics figured out and 98% of them don't want to facetrack for 16 hours for a dragon. P99 players would get crushed by semi-complicated events you can't just slow-corner-tank.

some of us p99 players played live and completed such events that required multitanking such as the rathe council. for that we actually used 12ish tanks. i wouldn't underestimate a veteran p99 player.

[mefdinkins]

I don't have disdain for P99 players. The server/content leads to long time P99ers having certain strengths and certain weaknesses. I'm just speaking to what those are.

I don't even know what you're saying, lol.

Long term MMO players aren't as good at no scoping people on FPS games. Longterm WOW players aren't as good at EQ. Longterm League of Legends players aren't as good at DOTA. Longterm candycrush players aren't as good at angrybirds.

The top tier P99 players have completed all challenges they've been faced with in a competitive environment, I'm sure they can do so in other games (or other iterations of Everquest) too if they put in the same commitment/energy.

[Lhancelot]

Calm down

https://i.imgur.com/o1NGJ3U.gif

[Check12345]

The top tier P99 players have completed all challenges they've been faced with in a competitive environment, I'm sure they can do so in other games (or other iterations of Everquest) too if they put in the same commitment/energy.

Yeah I am trying to replay luclin and pop in my mind from when they were current and while we all had to figure it out with or without internet help circa 2002... I just don't see where any good player on p99 couldn't grasp what team role they had to play for... say... the emperor ssraeshza or cursed event, the rallos zek the warlord bottleneck, elemental plains god scripts/event kills, or anything in potime.

Team players gonna team play and win, simple as that. While I went to time with my one expansion behind guild on live, the same server had open raids on sundays where everyone got elemental flagged.

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

Yeah I am trying to replay luclin and pop in my mind from when they were current and while we all had to figure it out with or without internet help circa 2002... I just don't see where any good player on p99 couldn't grasp what team role they had to play for... say... the emperor ssraeshza or cursed event, the rallos zek the warlord bottleneck, elemental plains god scripts/event kills, or anything in potime.

Team players gonna team play and win, simple as that. While I went to time with my one expansion behind guild on live, the same server had open raids on sundays where everyone got elemental flagged.

if youre talking about rallos zek in tactics i just remember druids charming and deeps on RZ. cant you just kite the adds? i don't remember this fight ever being difficult for our guild.

[Fasttimes]

You can kite the adds . Charming with echanters does most of the dps

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

if anything was "difficult" it was coirnav. being underwater and kiting all those adds is painful because being underwater in everquest is not fun at all. i do appreciate the idea and it was exciting but yeah not fun.

[Skew]

if anything was "difficult" it was coirnav. being underwater and kiting all those adds is painful because being underwater in everquest is not fun at all. i do appreciate the idea and it was exciting but yeah not fun.

tbf , being underwater in eq mirrors rl experience of being underwater. its a thoroughly shit place to be , even if youre an experienced diver you move around like youve got a weeks worth of poop in ur choot. theres a very good reason we have mapped the moon but not the ocean floor.

[Daldaen]

All 4 of the Elemental gods were good fights. Testing different aspects of your raid.

Fennin was a bit too trash-cleary but the end fight was a good test of positioning and tank healing. Failure to position properly or even having one tank die usually spelled disaster because the AE Rampage was so devastating.

Xegony was just a test to see if your guild could pick up spawned adds regularly while offtanking the boss.

Coirnav was a nice burn style fight with AE potential if you do it correctly. 15-min hardtimer is great because it can't drag on and on.

Rathe was the ultimate coordination fight in the era. Figure out teams to mez lock 6 councilmen and atleast 5 teams to offtank the fully flecked councilmen before coordinating all of their deaths in 7 minutes. Needing to have 3-4 Enchanters or Bards mez locking, 5 tanks, 5 Clerics, 5 backup healers and some roaming shamans/Enchanters to debuff, all while the DPS groups needed healers to counteract the AEs and you had to keep moving and spreading out to prevent AE overlaps.

Rallos generally wrecked guilds due to his Melee potential and poor connection/client made kiting all of the adds difficult. On TLPs though due to retarded DPS gains Rallos is half dead before adds start spawning. Was much harder in era, especially if you didn't charm several Diaku with your Enchanters. Druids can only charm shitter boars from the tunnels which do like 25% the DPS of Diaku.

Honestly the first really difficult fight mechanically probably comes with Brekt in Uqua but with enough DPS you can avoid several of the event mechanics. Beyond that... Vishimtar is difficult because it mixes death adds that punish zerging, DT emotes that punish stupidity, and various styles of adds (egg drakeling spawns, snareable kite Drakes, low HP Phoenix rape dervishes). But 34 guilds did defeat Vishimtar in era.

In era, Sendaii was another difficult fight. Generally considered the gatekeeper to Demiplane. It was just a long fight with a lot of offtanking required. Redfang was the T1 gatekeeper in Demiplane, mostly because it requires you have a few knights with blockers turned in to kite the 4 big bat adds, and because the 20-25 batling swarms were difficult to deal with until Vinelash was in unless you had good Druids. Performer was the T2 gatekeeper in Demiplane because emotes with 18 different responses were difficult for stupid people to figure out. Mayong in Demiplane also quite good due to how complex the fight is with banes for each class that can be used different ways in the fight plus needing to deal with up to 6-7 mini bosses simultaneously, on top of the bat waves and random zombie adds. Only 6 guilds defeated Mayong in era.

[A_Bomb]

The only other guild on that server to defeat the ring prior to us took over five years after first entering ntov and were in elemental gear or better.

Was destiny the other guild? I was in that guild for a year or two and remember them being #2 on the server but as I recall it was 2 by a long shot.

Got kicked for making Jew jokes while I was drunk.