Why agnarr will not kill p99...

[shuklak]

GM's.

[Baler]

Quality of Code

[Mead]

You sound threatened

[Daldaen]

Some people like being the masters of their own destiny and don't need a handful of volunteer arbiters to make their online pixel time worthwhile.

[Rygar]

Why Basketball will not kill Soccer...

Why Apples will not replace Oranges...

Why Bicycles will not replace Rollerblades...

They're just different, no matter. I actually think the people that go to Agnarr / Phinny to play are probably less addicted to video games as P99 purists (I myself have entertainment addiction issues).

I think each server caters to different styles of players is all. To each their own. I would think P99 purists would welcome newer servers from Daybreak to free up some of Blue 99 land.

[Shrubwise]

Why Basketball will not kill Soccer...

Why Apples will not replace Oranges...

Why Bicycles will not replace Rollerblades...

They're just different, no matter. I actually think the people that go to Agnarr / Phinny to play are probably less addicted to video games as P99 purists (I myself have entertainment addiction issues).

I think each server caters to different styles of players is all. To each their own. I would think P99 purists would welcome newer servers from Daybreak to free up some of Blue 99 land.

This.

... because it is a completely different game. I paid my $15, downloaded the live client and logged in. Logged out shortly after. Agnarr, while offering time locked content, is not classic EverQuest. Just run into your nearest newbie zone and check out the mobs. I even saw a wizard running around with some insane, not-classic staff. It's not wrong; it's just different, and it doesn't offer the same thing that P99 does. Apples to oranges.

[Mead]

The nutjob EQ purists always get butthurt over other servers or games. The best part is the devs don't give two fucks if 3 people are playing on the server or 1k+ pop. They've proven that with their stance on donations. Even though blue will always see a high pop due to its exclusiveness. It's certain players who have no idea what life outside of Norrath is like. This is the opposite of woke

[dafier]

hehe

'deep web'

[dafier]

This.

... because it is a completely different game. I paid my $15, downloaded the live client and logged in. Logged out shortly after. Agnarr, while offering time locked content, is not classic EverQuest. Just run into your nearest newbie zone and check out the mobs. I even saw a wizard running around with some insane, not-classic staff. It's not wrong; it's just different, and it doesn't offer the same thing that P99 does. Apples to oranges.

So it costs 15$ to download or for the first month of subscription?

As for classic P99 is not classic but it's very similar. And that similarity will be accepted by all, including myself forever. A lot of volunteer time has been put in to this particular EMU which has created a fully functional, semi-classic fantasy world in which we all loved, in 1999.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rblt2EtFfC4

[Samoht]

So it costs 15$ to download or for the first month of subscription?

Agnarr and Phinny (and all progression servers) are pay2play, so they have a $15/month subscription for EQGold. You can also RMT by purchasing Kronos from the shop. Kronos allow you to trade subscription time to other players for in-game currency or items. They can use the Kronos to extend their own subscription or you could be the farmer that trades items/PP for Kronos to extend your own subscription having only having paid the initial $15 for the first month (or you can see if you can muster enough PP to buy a Krono on a free-to-play server if you still have your original account from classic that might have a few legacy items you can trade). Alternatively, you can be a whale and spend lots of real-life money on lots of Kronos and start off with BIS droppable in every slot.

You can also pay for in-game perks like extra EXP, so the game is pay2win/pay2play and RMT enabled. I'm honestly confused why they still have a subscription fee with micro-transactions, but it's so obviously just a cash-grab for DBG that I'm worried that they could flip the IP at any second, and then the quality of the product gets drained even lower.

[dafier]

Agnarr and Phinny (and all progression servers) are pay2play, so they have a $15/month subscription for EQGold. You can also RMT by purchasing Kronos from the shop. Kronos allow you to trade subscription time to other players for in-game currency or items. They can use the Kronos to extend their own subscription or you could be the farmer that trades items/PP for Kronos to extend your own subscription having only having paid the initial $15 for the first month (or you can see if you can muster enough PP to buy a Krono on a free-to-play server if you still have your original account from classic that might have a few legacy items you can trade). Alternatively, you can be a whale and spend lots of real-life money on lots of Kronos and start off with BIS droppable in every slot.

You can also pay for in-game perks like extra EXP, so the game is pay2win/pay2play and RMT enabled. I'm honestly confused why they still have a subscription fee with micro-transactions, but it's so obviously just a cash-grab for DBG that I'm worried that they could flip the IP at any second, and then the quality of the product gets drained even lower.

I am at a loss for words.

[Mead]

This.

... because it is a completely different game. I paid my $15, downloaded the live client and logged in. Logged out shortly after. Agnarr, while offering time locked content, is not classic EverQuest. Just run into your nearest newbie zone and check out the mobs. I even saw a wizard running around with some insane, not-classic staff. It's not wrong; it's just different, and it doesn't offer the same thing that P99 does. Apples to oranges.

No offense but there are hundreds of posts on here about what to expect from TLP servers.

Agnarr and Phinny (and all progression servers) are pay2play, so they have a $15/month subscription for EQGold. You can also RMT by purchasing Kronos from the shop. Kronos allow you to trade subscription time to other players for in-game currency or items. They can use the Kronos to extend their own subscription or you could be the farmer that trades items/PP for Kronos to extend your own subscription having only having paid the initial $15 for the first month (or you can see if you can muster enough PP to buy a Krono on a free-to-play server if you still have your original account from classic that might have a few legacy items you can trade). Alternatively, you can be a whale and spend lots of real-life money on lots of Kronos and start off with BIS droppable in every slot.

You can also pay for in-game perks like extra EXP, so the game is pay2win/pay2play and RMT enabled. I'm honestly confused why they still have a subscription fee with micro-transactions, but it's so obviously just a cash-grab for DBG that I'm worried that they could flip the IP at any second, and then the quality of the product gets drained even lower.

I agree with everything you said Sammy. For people like me who enjoyed EQmac, this is as close to its replication as we're getting. I will casually ride it out on Agnarr until Pantheon hits or fails.

[kotton05]

Look at this guy! With his crazy thought experiment.

[Beckoning]

What's Agnarr?

[nhdjoseywales]

Agnarr and Phinny (and all progression servers) are pay2play, so they have a $15/month subscription for EQGold. You can also RMT by purchasing Kronos from the shop. Kronos allow you to trade subscription time to other players for in-game currency or items. They can use the Kronos to extend their own subscription or you could be the farmer that trades items/PP for Kronos to extend your own subscription having only having paid the initial $15 for the first month (or you can see if you can muster enough PP to buy a Krono on a free-to-play server if you still have your original account from classic that might have a few legacy items you can trade). Alternatively, you can be a whale and spend lots of real-life money on lots of Kronos and start off with BIS droppable in every slot.

You can also pay for in-game perks like extra EXP, so the game is pay2win/pay2play and RMT enabled. I'm honestly confused why they still have a subscription fee with micro-transactions, but it's so obviously just a cash-grab for DBG that I'm worried that they could flip the IP at any second, and then the quality of the product gets drained even lower.


This is a complete mischaracterization. Krono are just another form of currency you can use in game. To pretend it somehow magically enables RMT that didn't already exist is laughable at best and just dishonest at worst.

How exactly do xp pots make anything pay to win? You guys keep saying that but its simply not true. Pay to win is when I can buy a sword or armor in a cash shop that's more powerful than the one you can get adventuring. Pay to win is when I can buy higher damage spells and clickable items that actually affect something in the game. Giving an XP boost is not pay to win, at beast its pay to get to the cool shit a little faster than you normally would have but its not some game breaking advantage by any stretch of the imagination. Seriously, "omg I maxxed my aa a week faster than I was going to normally". That's literally what you are calling pay to win. you need to re-evaluate your definition of winning.

If you want to talk xpac launches and that type of thing, xp pots can be useful if there is a level increase but DB gives you 3 xp pots per month just for subscribing so you can save those up and not spend a dime on them for xpac launches. everyone has that same opportunity so again, hardly pay to win. From being in one of the top two guilds in every xpac on phinny, I can assure you xp pots were not a factor in coming in first or second.

[Mead]

This is a complete mischaracterization. Krono are just another form of currency you can use in game. To pretend it somehow magically enables RMT that didn't already exist is laughable at best and just dishonest at worst.

How exactly do xp pots make anything pay to win? You guys keep saying that but its simply not true. Pay to win is when I can buy a sword or armor in a cash shop that's more powerful than the one you can get adventuring. Pay to win is when I can buy higher damage spells and clickable items that actually affect something in the game. Giving an XP boost is not pay to win, at beast its pay to get to the cool shit a little faster than you normally would have but its not some game breaking advantage by any stretch of the imagination. Seriously, "omg I maxxed my aa a week faster than I was going to normally". That's literally what you are calling pay to win. you need to re-evaluate your definition of winning.

If you want to talk xpac launches and that type of thing, xp pots can be useful if there is a level increase but DB gives you 3 xp pots per month just for subscribing so you can save those up and not spend a dime on them for xpac launches. everyone has that same opportunity so again, hardly pay to win. From being in one of the top two guilds in every xpac on phinny, I can assure you xp pots were not a factor in coming in first or second.

Krono, purchased directly from the cash shop, can absolutely be used for pay to win purposes. Your guild was (is? not sure because I don't play on Phinny anymore) one of the most popular guilds to sell high end raid loot for Krono. You guys were selling Vulak loot once you had it on farm status/split raiding.

[Rygar]

I wouldn't take the term pay2win so literally. Like in candy crush, I could buy bonus items to help clear some hard levels if I wanted to (imagine I just said am exp potion). Buying stuff with cash to get an advantage in game is what they call pay2win. Buying stuff with cash to obtain useful items is pay2win.

If you spent $1 cash money to buy 1 copper then you followed the pay2win model of the game.

[HippoNipple]

I was going to guess unemployment. I don't know why GMs would make it better. They could be replaced by a corpse recovery NPC.

[maskedmelonpai]

What's Agnarr?

it a destructive emotion of little value beyond stirring occasional resolve. there are far better visceral responses that foster better outcomes.

[Mead]

I will probably still make a Beastlord on Agnarr when I am able. I may only last 1 subscription cycle but I am going to give it a legitimate chance

I am ok with this as long as ogre and epic'd

[Mistle]

For people like me who enjoyed EQmac, this is as close to its replication as we're getting.

Other than the literal recreation of al'kabor? Takp is far closer.

[Mead]

Other than the literal recreation of al'kabor? Takp is far closer.

Yea, no thanks

[mickmoranis]

new effects, new UI, and updated world geometry.

There is no contest.

[Mistle]

How exactly do xp pots make anything pay to win? You guys keep saying that but its simply not true. Pay to win is when I can buy a sword or armor in a cash shop that's more powerful than the one you can get adventuring. Pay to win is when I can buy higher damage spells and clickable items that actually affect something in the game. Giving an XP boost is not pay to win, at beast its pay to get to the cool shit a little faster than you normally would have but its not some game breaking advantage by any stretch of the imagination. Seriously, "omg I maxxed my aa a week faster than I was going to normally". That's literally what you are calling pay to win. you need to re-evaluate your definition of winning.

Yours is a narrow definition used only by people trying to avoid the p2w label. Pay to win properly defined applies to everything with an in game effect (ie not cosmetics like skins) that can be bought using real life currency. It does not need to be the best and it is irrelevant whether or not you can get it other ways. The only relevant question is: can you skip or speed content using real life money in a multplayer game, tilting the playing field? If yes, pay to win.

[nhdjoseywales]

https://www.everquest.com/krono
Your argument is hinging on "already exists" I am assuming. That's why P99 actively polices RMTing and routinely bans players who participate in RMTing. DB actually has the balls to put an option to buy Krono for $424.99 - Please tell me how this is not pay to win? I am all ears



Because they literally cost money to buy? In a game where gaining XP is basically the only goal I am confused as to why you think this is not a big deal.

I could go to Everquest.com/krono right now - spend $424.99 - and without ever killing a mob be in BiS droppable armor and could even buy MQs and loot rights to true BiS gear and Epics that are only available for Krono because that's what the farmers covet and its how DB is enabling RMT. Kronos are available for purchase for real life money. So if this isn't pay-2-win..... ?

The same argument can be made about in game plat. It shouldn't exist because you can go to x site and buy it for real money. Again, Krono is literally just another form of currency and doesn't enable anything that wasn't already happening. If Krono or plat didn't exist people would just buy the items directly from whoever for real cash. Nothing is ever going to change the concept of trading time spent in one activity for time someone else spent doing something else, your issue is with the concept of economics itself.

I really cant imagine you people find much happiness in life as much as you worry about someone spending cash on stuff. It must ruin all of your hobbies. Do you get bitter when your neighbor hires someone to add an addition to his house instead of growing the lumber and making the boards himself then assembling it all? I'm genuinely curious.

[Mistle]

Yea, no thanks

Doeant matter if you like it, ypur claim was that this was the closest replication. It is not.

[nhdjoseywales]

Yours is a narrow definition used only by people trying to avoid the p2w label. Pay to win properly defined applies to everything with an in game effect (ie not cosmetics like skins) that can be bought using real life currency. It does not need to be the best and it is irrelevant whether or not you can get it other ways. The only relevant question is: can you skip or speed content using real life money in a multplayer game, tilting the playing field? If yes, pay to win.

If you aren't getting the best stuff, that's not pay to win. Again, redefine winning as actually winning and not as somewhat less time consuming.

[Samoht]

Pay to win is when I can buy a sword or armor in a cash shop that's more powerful than the one you can get adventuring. Pay to win is when I can buy higher damage spells and clickable items that actually affect something in the game.

You want to talk about a dishonest mischaracterization... Agnarr has the exact definition of pay2win that you give since you can buy those things with Krono. Swords and armor that are unavailable to the common player, spells that are unavailable to the common player, and clickies that are unavailable to the common player can all be purchased in-game with Krono. That's pay2win.

[Samoht]

You want to talk about a dishonest mischaracterization... Agnarr has the exact definition of pay2win that you give since you can buy those things with Krono. Swords and armor that are unavailable to the common player, spells that are unavailable to the common player, and clickies that are unavailable to the common player can all be purchased in-game with either cash or Krono. That's pay2win.

[Samoht]

Oh, is this in RnF? Darn.

[nhdjoseywales]

You want to talk about a dishonest mischaracterization... Agnarr has the exact definition of pay2win that you give since you can buy those things with Krono. Swords and armor that are unavailable to the common player, spells that are unavailable to the common player, and clickies that are unavailable to the common player can all be purchased in-game with Krono. That's pay2win.

And they can be purchased with plat which can be bought on p99, its the same thing.

We all know the real issue is you guys cant handle playing outside your walled off garden with adults you can cry to when you don't get your way and will do anything to disparage the company that has been kind enough to not sue your little garden out of existence. In short, you guys are shit and we are glad you didn't come to phinny.

[Mistle]

I really cant imagine you people find much happiness in life as much as you worry about someone spending cash on stuff. It must ruin all of your hobbies. Do you get bitter when your neighbor hires someone to add an addition to his house instead of growing the lumber and making the boards himself then assembling it all? I'm genuinely curious.

False analogy. A house addon is not a competiion nor is there a limited supply.

So many years of rmt/p2w apologists still using the same lame arguments. Just be honest and come clean - you prefer p2w and rmt enabled games.

[dafier]

Doeant matter if you like it, ypur claim was that this was the closest replication. It is not.

I'm sure they love you for your promotional abilities.

[Mistle]

If you aren't getting the best stuff, that's not pay to win. Again, redefine winning as actually winning and not as somewhat less time consuming.

Incorrect, and betrays a lack of understanding what the problem people actually have with it. Changing the label to avoid the negative connotation doesnt eliminate the issue.

[Pokesan]

Doeant matter if you like it, ypur claim was that this was the closest replication. It is not.

tak accuracy kinda blows on the casual end. like for factions and farting around in classic zones. raiding is probably better?

[Samoht]

And they can be purchased with plat which can be bought on p99, its the same thing.

Again with the dishonest mischaracterizations. PP cannot be bought on P99. It is against the rules and violators get punished. On Agnarr it is built into the UI. It is the business model of their game. I bet you complain often when you buy apples but they do not taste like oranges.

[Mead]

We all know the real issue is you guys cant handle playing outside your walled off garden with adults you can cry to when you don't get your way and will do anything to disparage the company that has been kind enough to not sue your little garden out of existence. In short, you guys are shit and we are glad you didn't come to phinny.

I have played on all of the servers and continue to play on Agnarr. You are simply wrong.

[dafier]

I bet you complain often when you buy apples but they do not taste like oranges.

I would have said, "but they do not taste like bananas".

Anyway, that's good.

[Mistle]

I'm sure they love you for your promotional abilities.


Argument presupposes that was ever a goal. Believe me, if I wanted more people in an eq emu, rnf would be the last place I would go, and irrational deranged haters like yourself would be the last people here I would want.

[Mistle]

tak accuracy kinda blows on the casual end. like for factions and farting around in classic zones. raiding is probably better?

How so? I never noticed this. Things like ac actually work. Haynar and Torven etc are very good about changing things that are proven inAKurate. Someone just has to bring it up.

[feanan]

The difference is that RMT only benefits a select few on p99.

Yeah, rules, blah blah blah. If you want to pretend it doesn't happen here, and everyone gets busted, you go right ahead and live in your bubble.

At least on agnarr etc its all out in the open, and anyone can participate.

[dafier]

Argument presupposes that was ever a goal. Believe me, if I wanted more people in an eq emu, rnf would be the last place I would go, and irrational deranged haters like yourself would be the last people here I would want.

Too late.

EVERYONE GO PLAY TKRAP! Mistle is tired of logging on with only 60 - 90 characters logged on the server at any given time! Btw, they all 3 box there with a possible 4 for bazaar.

[nhdjoseywales]

I have played on all of the servers and continue to play on Agnarr. You are simply wrong.

Really? Just a coincidence that since Agnarr launch which attracted a large number of P99 players the official forums have become a whine and cry fest just like this place? Every day there are multiple thread about how this is too hard, this bottleneck should be removed, the other players were mean to me. Its pathetic.

[Pokesan]

How so? I never noticed this. Things like ac actually work. Haynar and Torven etc are very good about changing things that are proven inAKurate. Someone just has to bring it up.

factions and npc patrols are a mess. it doesn't matter to the raiders because who cares? idiots like me that's who! i don't report it because im way out of my depth on ironclad AK knowledge.

you're right on combat being great though which is why i play there.

[Pokesan]

zone spawn timers could be wrong too

[mickmoranis]

And they can be purchased with plat which can be bought on p99, its the same thing.

We all know the real issue is you guys cant handle playing outside your walled off garden with adults you can cry to when you don't get your way and will do anything to disparage the company that has been kind enough to not sue your little garden out of existence. In short, you guys are shit and we are glad you didn't come to phinny.

haha just pointing out this guy pays to win, any success you have is from you being suckered irl lol you are bad at games and havent ever been good .

get good lol

[Mead]

forumquest not p2w

[maskedmelonpai]

factions and npc patrols are a mess. it doesn't matter to the raiders because who cares? idiots like me that's who! i don't report it because im way out of my depth on ironclad AK knowledge.

you're right on combat being great though which is why i play there.

i didn't like how fast all the things moved around. it seemed liek lotta them had sow when I tried it :/ was pretty neat though with the ui and stuff.

[mattydef]

And they can be purchased with plat which can be bought on p99, its the same thing.

We all know the real issue is you guys cant handle playing outside your walled off garden with adults you can cry to when you don't get your way and will do anything to disparage the company that has been kind enough to not sue your little garden out of existence. In short, you guys are shit and we are glad you didn't come to phinny.

This guy is single handedly making this thread entertaining with his horse shit posts.

[Samoht]

> Be nhdjoseywales
> Be on p99 forums
> Post about how much better Agnarr is than P99
> Still posting on p99 forums

Obviously we're the ones with the problem.

[Pokesan]

not we, samoht.

not we.

[nhdjoseywales]

> Be nhdjoseywales
> Be on p99 forums
> Post about how much better Agnarr is than P99
> Still posting on p99 forums

Obviously we're the ones with the problem.

Never said Agnarr was better. What i said was P99 players cant compete on live servers. TMO came to Phinny and made exactly zero impact. Flocks of P99 players went to agnarr and its a whinefest. Without Roegan and crew holding your hands and making it all better when the mean kids gank your mobs you guys fold faster than Chinese laundry.

[nhdjoseywales]

This guy is single handedly making this thread entertaining with his horse shit posts.

I do what I can on slow Fridays.

[Qtip]

Never said Agnarr was better. What i said was P99 players cant compete on live servers. TMO came to Phinny and made exactly zero impact. Flocks of P99 players went to agnarr and its a whinefest. Without Roegan and crew holding your hands and making it all better when the mean kids gank your mobs you guys fold faster than Chinese laundry.

My GM will kick your gm ass. Fuck outta here!

[nhdjoseywales]

My GM will kick your gm ass. Fuck outta here!

Oh yeah, well your GM blows bubblegum

[Samoht]

Never said Agnarr was better. What i said was P99 players cant compete on live servers. TMO came to Phinny and made exactly zero impact. Flocks of P99 players went to agnarr and its a whinefest. Without Roegan and crew holding your hands and making it all better when the mean kids gank your mobs you guys fold faster than Chinese laundry.

Or maybe they're just not as willing to pay2win as the rest of you are...

[Jimjam]

Never said Agnarr was better. What i said was P99 players cant compete on live servers. TMO came to Phinny and made exactly zero impact. Flocks of P99 players went to agnarr and its a whinefest. Without Roegan and crew holding your hands and making it all better when the mean kids gank your mobs you guys fold faster than Chinese laundry.

Not really interested in competing in a collaborative roleplay game.

[Triiz]

> Be nhdjoseywales
> Be on p99 forums
> Post about how much better Agnarr is than P99
> Still posting on p99 forums

Obviously we're the ones with the problem.

Damn man better be careful, he's in a guild called Original Gangster Club. I heard just last week they robbed an old lady for all of her dragon pixels.

[Rygar]

The same argument can be made about in game plat. It shouldn't exist because you can go to x site and buy it for real money. Again, Krono is literally just another form of currency and doesn't enable anything that wasn't already happening. If Krono or plat didn't exist people would just buy the items directly from whoever for real cash. Nothing is ever going to change the concept of trading time spent in one activity for time someone else spent doing something else, your issue is with the concept of economics itself.

I really cant imagine you people find much happiness in life as much as you worry about someone spending cash on stuff. It must ruin all of your hobbies. Do you get bitter when your neighbor hires someone to add an addition to his house instead of growing the lumber and making the boards himself then assembling it all? I'm genuinely curious.

So much cringe! Not sure where to start...

For the record, I'm not taking a stand against Agnarr or Phinny or the pay to win models they have. They have a business to run and need to make money to do so and develop more servers, recruit more players, develop expansions, etc. It's a business model a lot of online games have used and are successful because of it. It doesn't work with me, but whatever.

To argue that taking issue with certain transactions is to take issue with the concept of economics itself is ridiculous. Drugs can be bought for money, as can sex. I don't agree with doing either, so am I taking an issue with economics itself? People are going to disagree that spending money for advancement / objects in a video cash shop is wrong and against their own personal gaming code of ethics. Who cares? Why come off all high and mighty above it?

I also don't understand how you tie P99 RMT transactions into Agnarr / Phinny cash shops. If someone breaks the law (buys plat from a shop), it doesn't mean you remove plat from the economy, you remove the RMT individuals. Daybreak does realize this happens and there could be a market on it they can capitalize from, and they took it. P99 can't legally endorse RMT due to Daybreak agreement I believe, but even if they could, I can't believe Nilbog would ever endorse that idea on his classic sandbox.

I believe people are critical of Daybreak cash shops because EQ began as a game where you slowly build yourself up and develop your character, you are meant to start in rags on your first toon. That is part of the reward to see high end items later in the game, not the beginning. P99 is here to recreate that nostalgia feeling of when the server first launched in 1999, Daybreak is looking to generate revenue by any means necessary, even if it means compromising some of the original game's integrity.

[Mead]

Never said Agnarr was better. What i said was P99 players cant compete on live servers. TMO came to Phinny and made exactly zero impact. Flocks of P99 players went to agnarr and its a whinefest. Without Roegan and crew holding your hands and making it all better when the mean kids gank your mobs you guys fold faster than Chinese laundry.

TMO the casual guild on Phinny? The ones who deny anything to do with the p99 TMO? K. You either think nobody else played on Phinny except for you or you're just really fuckin' stupid lol. I'm going with the latter. Funny that AoS is composed of some old school IB and they impacted OGC's bowels. :D

[Maner]

I even saw a wizard running around with some insane, not-classic staff.

So you saw a cosmetic effect and assumed it was an actual staff?

[Shrubwise]

So you saw a cosmetic effect and assumed it was an actual staff?

I'm almost certain it was an actual staff, cosmetic effect or no. It was not a classic staff. Because Agnarr isn't classic EverQuest. Which is why Agnarr has nothing to do with Project 1999 because they're two different things.

[Pokesan]

I'm almost certain it was an actual staff, cosmetic effect or no. It was not a classic staff. Because Agnarr isn't classic EverQuest. Which is why Agnarr has nothing to do with Project 1999 because they're two different things.

did u tell the man his staff was too thick & gorgeous for u millenial eyes?

ive heard that alot :o

[Maner]

Or maybe they're just not as willing to pay2win as the rest of you are...

I have not spent a single cent on my subscription on agnarr, a p99 friend gave me 1 krono to start and i currently have 2 accounts and 28 krono from farming in under 2 months. There is no need to pay to win when the "winning" isnt even difficult on agnarr.

I'm almost certain it was an actual staff, cosmetic effect or no. It was not a classic staff. Because Agnarr isn't classic EverQuest. Which is why Agnarr has nothing to do with Project 1999 because they're two different things.

Do you even know which staff it was? If you look at the DB store there are probably 50-100 different cosmetic skins for a staff that you can buy. None of them do anything other than change the appearance of your main hand. As far as i saw during classic there were no out of era staffs in the game like you are talking about. Are you really that upset that someone purchased a skin to make their staff look different?

[Shrubwise]

Do you even know which staff it was? If you look at the DB store there are probably 50-100 different cosmetic skins for a staff that you can buy. None of them do anything other than change the appearance of your main hand. As far as i saw during classic there were no out of era staffs in the game like you are talking about. Are you really that upset that someone purchased a skin to make their staff look different?

I don't think you're picking up what I'm laying down. Let me try to simplify this.

Regardless of whether or not the staff was a classic staff, the fact was that it did not have the appearance of a classic staff. Which makes it, you guessed it, not classic.

This, combined with the various other obvious non-classic content, such as: non-classic NPC's, non-classic mobs, non-classic spawns and spawn rates, non-classic zone revamps, Kronos... should I keep going?
I am simply making a point. Let's say Agnarr is a banana. Agnarr is not classic EverQuest. As a matter of fact; it doesn't even attempt to be. It is a Time Locked Progression server.

Project 1999 is classic EverQuest. It is time locked progression by default. Let's say that Project 1999 is apples.

People came here to eat apples, not bananas.

This is why Agnarr will not affect Project 1999. Do you understand?

[Maner]

I don't think you're picking up what I'm laying down. Let me try to simplify this.

Regardless of whether or not the staff was a classic staff, the fact was that it did not have the appearance of a classic staff. Which makes it, you guessed it, not classic.

This, combined with the various other obvious non-classic content, such as: non-classic NPC's, non-classic mobs, non-classic spawns and spawn rates, non-classic zone revamps, Kronos... should I keep going?
I am simply making a point. Let's say Agnarr is a banana. Agnarr is not classic EverQuest. As a matter of fact; it doesn't even attempt to be. It is a Time Locked Progression server.

Project 1999 is classic EverQuest. It is time locked progression by default. Let's say that Project 1999 is apples.

People came here to eat apples, not bananas.

This is why Agnarr will not affect Project 1999. Do you understand?

The staff however was classic, what wasnt classic was the skin the person put on it. Which doesnt even show up if you are using classic graphics. Sorry to burst your bubble but P99 also is NOT classic. It may seem more classic, which it is, but your argument is flawed in that respect. Changing its appearance doesnt somehow make the staff something that is out of era.... Perhaps the problem is your inability to stop labeling it a "classic" server in the same terms you try to define p99 as a classic server. It was never advertised as such and has never claimed otherwise.

Its kind of sad that something that doesnt in any way affect the persons game play, its a skin, or your game play, makes you that upset about the agnarr server is kind of sad.

[Mead]

I don't think you're picking up what I'm laying down. Let me try to simplify this.

Regardless of whether or not the staff was a classic staff, the fact was that it did not have the appearance of a classic staff. Which makes it, you guessed it, not classic.

This, combined with the various other obvious non-classic content, such as: non-classic NPC's, non-classic mobs, non-classic spawns and spawn rates, non-classic zone revamps, Kronos... should I keep going?
I am simply making a point. Let's say Agnarr is a banana. Agnarr is not classic EverQuest. As a matter of fact; it doesn't even attempt to be. It is a Time Locked Progression server.

Project 1999 is classic EverQuest. It is time locked progression by default. Let's say that Project 1999 is apples.

People came here to eat apples, not bananas.

This is why Agnarr will not affect Project 1999. Do you understand?

This is some Swish level shit. You are arguing a point nobody is arguing.

[Shrubwise]

This is some Swish level shit. You are arguing a point nobody is arguing.

See my post from the first page.

[Swish]

This is some Swish level shit. You are arguing a point nobody is arguing.

The irony here is you're now arguing a point that nobody else was arguing.

[Mead]

The irony here is you're now arguing a point that nobody else was arguing.

sup bud, welcome

thread wouldn't be complete without you

[mattydef]

The guy is simply saying he doesn't prefer an EQ server where a level 1 wizard is running around with a shiny epic bazooka staff of pwnage. I don't get what's so hard to understand that?

[Tankdan]

The guy is simply saying he doesn't prefer an EQ server where a level 1 wizard is running around with a shiny epic bazooka staff of pwnage. I don't get what's so hard to understand that?

Yeah that sounds awful.. I'f rather play on P99 where my level 6 warrior has Custom Cowl of Mortality, 7 Veeshan's Peak weapons, 600k in items, and better gear than 99.8% of max level characters did back in classic

[Lhancelot]

Yeah that sounds awful.. I'f rather play on P99 where my level 6 warrior has Custom Cowl of Mortality, 7 Veeshan's Peak weapons, 600k in items, and better gear than 99.8% of max level characters did back in classic

Nothing proves a point better than strong hyperbole! I am a big fan of hyperbole, btw.

[Shrubwise]

Yeah that sounds awful.. I'f rather play on P99 where my level 6 warrior has Custom Cowl of Mortality, 7 Veeshan's Peak weapons, 600k in items, and better gear than 99.8% of max level characters did back in classic

Dunno who's yoink you're yoinkin' to be walking around with that type of gear at level 6, but I'd love his contact info.
My level 6 paladin just came into possession of a Leather Whip and I could not be more thrilled.

[kaev]

Dunno who's yoink you're yoinkin' to be walking around with that type of gear at level 6, but I'd love his contact info.
My level 6 paladin just came into possession of a Leather Whip and I could not be more thrilled.

Slavedriver Paladin classic as hell.

[Maner]

The guy is simply saying he doesn't prefer an EQ server where a level 1 wizard is running around with a shiny epic bazooka staff of pwnage. I don't get what's so hard to understand that?

Which doesn't happen on agnarr, the guy probably had a fine steel staff he changed the skin on and made this scrub flip out lol

[Lammy]

Maner drops in to ruin another thread

[Mead]

Maner is on the winning team now since realizing the error of his ways being in Aftermath

His posts are more welcome now

[Maner]

Maner drops in to ruin another thread

Im sorry that first hand knowledge trumps ignorant assumptions from people who don't even or haven't even tried to play on the server.

Maner is on the winning team now since realizing the error of his ways being in Aftermath

His posts are more welcome now

I never left aftermath, just got fed up with underhanded crap and haven't even logged into p99 in over 2 months.

[Mead]

I never left aftermath, just got fed up with underhanded crap and haven't even logged into p99 in over 2 months.

That's good enough for me

[Peacocky]

http://i.imgur.com/6FqEX.gif

[Peacocky]

P99 is the most classic EQ on planet earth!.

Feel free to dispute this!.

https://i.imgur.com/avHnbUZ.gif

[Peacocky]

P99 has the most "classic feel" to it.

TAK is more classic then p99 is, however.

Lol change your tunes from Agnarr to TAK?.

Truly, TAK is the most buggiest emulator out there, but still more classic than Agnarr!.

https://i.imgur.com/avHnbUZ.gif

[Jimjam]

Surely buginess enhances classicness?!

[Mistle]

Takp isnt any buggier than p99. Heck it has several of the same devs. Just ignorant baloney.

[Peacocky]

http://i.imgur.com/wnIaRyJ.gif

[Transylvania]

Because Agnarr is dead.

[Papa]

surely everyone on this elf sim forums cares what emulated elf sim im wasting my time in currently

(none. i only waste my time on elf sim forums )

[Tuurin]

So much cringe! Not sure where to start...

For the record, I'm not taking a stand against Agnarr or Phinny or the pay to win models they have. They have a business to run and need to make money to do so and develop more servers, recruit more players, develop expansions, etc. It's a business model a lot of online games have used and are successful because of it. It doesn't work with me, but whatever.

To argue that taking issue with certain transactions is to take issue with the concept of economics itself is ridiculous. Drugs can be bought for money, as can sex. I don't agree with doing either, so am I taking an issue with economics itself? People are going to disagree that spending money for advancement / objects in a video cash shop is wrong and against their own personal gaming code of ethics. Who cares? Why come off all high and mighty above it?

I also don't understand how you tie P99 RMT transactions into Agnarr / Phinny cash shops. If someone breaks the law (buys plat from a shop), it doesn't mean you remove plat from the economy, you remove the RMT individuals. Daybreak does realize this happens and there could be a market on it they can capitalize from, and they took it. P99 can't legally endorse RMT due to Daybreak agreement I believe, but even if they could, I can't believe Nilbog would ever endorse that idea on his classic sandbox.

I believe people are critical of Daybreak cash shops because EQ began as a game where you slowly build yourself up and develop your character, you are meant to start in rags on your first toon. That is part of the reward to see high end items later in the game, not the beginning. P99 is here to recreate that nostalgia feeling of when the server first launched in 1999, Daybreak is looking to generate revenue by any means necessary, even if it means compromising some of the original game's integrity.

Just to be clear- RMT was extremely common and accepted in classic EQ. Heck I remember going on ebay and looking at scores of items, chars, and yes accounts that were for sale for USD back in the day. I always resisted the temptation to cash out on any chars/gear, but it was kinda fun to speculate.

To be clear I'm not an advocate of RMT and am very glad that P99 tries it's best to stop it, but I think we muddy the waters when we state that RMT is not a part of the classic experience, because it most definitely was.

I also tried and couldn't get into Agnarr- partly due to the Chrono/RMT dynamic but also just due to the overall lack of classic feel. When I started P99 I was floored by the nostalgia and general "old school" feel to what I was seeing. When I went to Agnarr though, it just felt like a different game than I remembered.

[dafier]

Takp isnt any buggier than p99. Heck it has several of the same devs. Just ignorant baloney.

lol

you still going on....lmao

[Mistle]

Getting to stalker territory there, Rebbon. You are starting to sound a lot like the guy hating on DaP. Thats not a good thing.

[Rivera]

What constitutes as stalker territory exactly?

[Mistle]

Rebbon literally pisses himself if someone mentions takp. No idea what terrible things he now associates with it, the cruel experiments he was subjected to when the staff of takp brought him to Acrylia Caverns, and changed him. He was a boring nondescript member of BDA back in the day, very definition of generic line member, so different from his deranged obsessed hater personality now. Sad!

[dafier]

Have I really lost it? hmmm I guess so. :eek:

Actually I logged in to P99 a few...months ago. Something like that. Looked at my orb for a while, helped some dudes out. Ran around looking at my skittles.

You know, boring, nondescript and generic line stuff. Like I used to do in the guild.

[Mead]

What is your stance on if they opened up character copying from Blue to Red (only)? Would Red players like that or be totally against it?

I hate these hypotheticals, but I will humor you, because I think there is a system that could be implemented for this. I would actually be ok with a one time naked transfer of a 20-30 level character. Nothing over that. That maintains the hard work others put in leveling from scratch on the server while also encouraging a population boost so they actually have people to play with. The beginning levels are always the most painful, and that being multiplied with pvp enabled by super twinks. You'll at least get a fighting chance.

The problem that cannot be fixed is the toxic population. Not many people want to be subjected to it. The little joke Swish did with the toon named Robin Williams, that's encouraged and child's play for these dudes. People can downplay it all they want but it's the reality of it.

[Mead]

Really, what don't you hate?

A good BBQ, cold beer, and a nice set of tits.

[Rivera]

Only the Red trolls would be against this, as they feel PvP should be a constant free for all fight. I disagree on this, as I feel PvP is added layer to resolve disputes in an MMORPG environment. This is an interesting take on it.

I think the "PVP elites" would be happier with a VZ/TZ ruleset though. As it fit the games vibe better.

[shuklak]

People act like red never had good people play it...


Remind yourselves that they did but the game is set up shitty. That's the problem. It's not that people don't know about the server... or can't get to the server... the problem is the game and the rules are simply shit.

[Swish]

People act like red never had good people play it...


Remind yourselves that they did but the game is set up shitty. That's the problem. It's not that people don't know about the server... or can't get to the server... the problem is the game and the rules are simply shit.

PvP teams would certainly draw more of a crowd...new server plus you can level with pals and at least fight together rather than each other. That Velious beta server would be put to the best use <3

[p.pumpjob]

People act like red never had good people play it...


Remind yourselves that they did but the game is set up shitty. That's the problem. It's not that people don't know about the server... or can't get to the server... the problem is the game and the rules are simply shit.

moron ideas like xp loss on pvp death, 8 lvl range, non classic / not funny "is your body ready" garbage and "everyone send hateful tells to this guy" yellow text shit are ideas from the cancer that wanted to try to destroy that server

[Mistle]

PvP teams would certainly draw more of a crowd...new server plus you can level with pals and at least fight together rather than each other. That Velious beta server would be put to the best use <3

For a little while it would until one side got ahead and chokes the life out of it.

[Peacocky]

Seriously, how could TAKP be classic when Luclin shitty model is in there?.

Classic mean old school EQ from Verant which is up to the relase of Velious!.

http://i.imgur.com/sB6EMtN.gif

[JurisDictum]

I would actually be ok with a one time naked transfer of a 20-30 level character. Nothing over that. That maintains the hard work others put in leveling from scratch on the server while also encouraging a population boost so they actually have people to play with. t.

This is pretty typical of Red opinion. The last thing the want is a character that might be able to kill them transferring over. I bit if an entire raid guild transferred over a bunch of current red would quit.

It's about the joy of Griefing -- that is basically the only reason you would play there at this point.

[Mead]

This is pretty typical of Red opinion. The last thing the want is a character that might be able to kill them transferring over. I bit if an entire raid guild transferred over a bunch of current red would quit.

It's about the joy of Griefing -- that is basically the only reason you would play there at this point.

I play on blue so more familiar with how a blue player would want to not put any effort in and just transfer over. Just considerate towards our pals on red who have put in the work already. Glad we had this talk.

[shuklak]

But the red people all talk about how low effort and low competition the server is.

Which is it now? Let's set the record straight.

[Rygar]

Just to be clear- RMT was extremely common and accepted in classic EQ. Heck I remember going on ebay and looking at scores of items, chars, and yes accounts that were for sale for USD back in the day. I always resisted the temptation to cash out on any chars/gear, but it was kinda fun to speculate.

To be clear I'm not an advocate of RMT and am very glad that P99 tries it's best to stop it, but I think we muddy the waters when we state that RMT is not a part of the classic experience, because it most definitely was.

I also tried and couldn't get into Agnarr- partly due to the Chrono/RMT dynamic but also just due to the overall lack of classic feel. When I started P99 I was floored by the nostalgia and general "old school" feel to what I was seeing. When I went to Agnarr though, it just felt like a different game than I remembered.

Boxing was classic but P99 does not endorse. I believe Nilbog went as far to say that boxing is what ruined EQ. Think about it as you, the player, are in a virtual reality world where you need to make allies to succeed and defeat certain content. Big loophole to just have a bunch of computers linked up and take down what you want at your own leisure.

Also, RMT happened on live no doubt, but it was eventually enforced, may have even be written in original EULA that you couldn't profit off the game.

[HippoNipple]

This is pretty typical of Red opinion. The last thing the want is a character that might be able to kill them transferring over. I bit if an entire raid guild transferred over a bunch of current red would quit.

It's about the joy of Griefing -- that is basically the only reason you would play there at this point.

TMO dominated blue, transferred over as a guild to red, leveled to 60, got destroyed and quickly quit the server.

Red has 0 competition most of the time because guilds break up after losing the battle at end game. It is a very easy server to join individually or in a small group if you want to join the top guild and raid end game.

It is nearly impossible to join up as a guild or group up enough players to take any meaningful content outside of the number 1 guild.

If the number 1 guild on blue transferred to Red the greedy high play time players would leave for Apex and the guild would dissolve after a month.

[nhdjoseywales]

Made some toons on Agnarr. So far folks have been helpful and pleasant. I feel a lot of people create their own bad drama situations.

[Tuurin]

Boxing was classic but P99 does not endorse. I believe Nilbog went as far to say that boxing is what ruined EQ. Think about it as you, the player, are in a virtual reality world where you need to make allies to succeed and defeat certain content. Big loophole to just have a bunch of computers linked up and take down what you want at your own leisure.

Also, RMT happened on live no doubt, but it was eventually enforced, may have even be written in original EULA that you couldn't profit off the game.

I wasn't arguing that RMT is good/bad- in fact I said I think it's probably a good thing that P99 tries to be diligent about stopping it- same thing with boxing. I'm just saying that it's different to say that RMT is bad vs. saying RMT is not classic (same with boxing). Both RMT and boxing were very common in classic and weren't policed at all until well into our timeline. Classic doesn't automatically mean right or best. That's why people are often frustrated by the seemingly inconsistent message from the devs that at times say they are making a "museum" of EQ, warts and all and IDGAF if everyone likes it or nobody likes it, but then take out stuff they think is bad like AoE/swarming, RMT, boxing, leapfrogging, dps races, etc.

Of course the RMT that was happening in classic was significantly different than having a cash-shop button built into the UI like Live is currently.

[mickmoranis]

Boxing was classic but P99 does not endorse. I believe Nilbog went as far to say that boxing is what ruined EQ. Think about it as you, the player, are in a virtual reality world where you need to make allies to succeed and defeat certain content. Big loophole to just have a bunch of computers linked up and take down what you want at your own leisure.

Also, RMT happened on live no doubt, but it was eventually enforced, may have even be written in original EULA that you couldn't profit off the game.

personally I think RMT should be allowed if not for legal reasons. That way this could be more like a hobby rather than a disease.

Without RMT its like we're playing with collectable Lionel trains, that have no value. And spending 100% of our free time and ignoring our family for said worthless toy trains.

But thats just my opinion.

[Peacocky]

Made some toons on Agnarr. So far folks have been helpful and pleasant. I feel a lot of people create their own bad drama situations.

https://i.imgur.com/yMzF3Rt.gif

[nhdjoseywales]

https://i.imgur.com/yMzF3Rt.gif

Good job sir, I busted out laughing and the guy in the next office is like wtf?

[Peacocky]

:)

For the sake of political correctness the show must goes on!

https://youtu.be/kUrsvegCkEc
https://youtu.be/7zwaWfFg2Lo
https://youtu.be/9BX3JDomJsQ

[Speedi]

https://i.imgur.com/yMzF3Rt.gif

That is sick, it goes to show you what this has come to by our tolerance.

Give them an inch and they take a mile

[nhdjoseywales]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PIixoqeRoM

[tylercanuck]

That is sick, it goes to show you what this has come to by our tolerance.

Give them an inch and they take a mile

I've watched your stream. I'd hardly call you tolerant.

[dafier]

Someone said 'inch'?

[Neno]

Seriously, how could TAKP be classic when Luclin shitty model is in there?.

Classic mean old school EQ from Verant which is up to the relase of Velious!.



Velious is an odd expansion. It sits right on the line of classic/non-classic. The biggest indicator of classic is poor class balance, shitty itemization and iconic zones. Classes started to improve, items got better and zones started moving to being worse with Velious. Iceclad, East Wastes, Great Divide, Skyshrine, Wakening Lands, and Cobalt Scar are probably the worst zones in "classic" and make up almost the majority of the Velious landmass. West Wastes is also pretty bad once you get over the "Wow! Dragons!" factor. Original EQ and RoK also had zones that were big and/or slightly useless but for the most part included something that gave them a bit of flavor. The worst zone pre-Velious was probably Emerald Jungle. One of the worst offensives in SoV and why for me I don't consider it part of class is that the bears walked on two legs.

Once you get to SoL the most unclassic thing is not the models but the fact that the game had moved into its final stages of refinement. Almost every class in SoL was good, the itemization made a lot more sense and the zones became all largely unforgettable shit.

[Mistle]

Of the three thingz you mentioned only iconic zones were in classic but not later. Classic zones tended to have landmarks mostly absent in Kunark and Velious, and were given more love in their construction.

But tbe other two? There are hints of it in Velious but Luclin was the true start of "tiered" loot where nothing really mattered anymore other than how much hp and mana was on it because all your primary stats were hitting max anyways. Correspondingly loot became totally unmemorable and few decisions ever had to be made, almost all around focus effects. Terrible loot system. And as for class balance, as the characters got stronger the mobs also had to get stronger leading to enchanter domination. Luclin is bad but PoP is awful where groups basically became charming enchanter or bust. Other than that it was the same mix of haves and have nots, just who is who changes.

Luclin and PoP arent any better than Kunark and Velious, we're just sick to death of those.

[Peacocky]

Velious is an odd expansion. It sits right on the line of classic/non-classic. The biggest indicator of classic is poor class balance, shitty itemization and iconic zones. Classes started to improve, items got better and zones started moving to being worse with Velious. Iceclad, East Wastes, Great Divide, Skyshrine, Wakening Lands, and Cobalt Scar are probably the worst zones in "classic" and make up almost the majority of the Velious landmass. West Wastes is also pretty bad once you get over the "Wow! Dragons!" factor. Original EQ and RoK also had zones that were big and/or slightly useless but for the most part included something that gave them a bit of flavor. The worst zone pre-Velious was probably Emerald Jungle. One of the worst offensives in SoV and why for me I don't consider it part of class is that the bears walked on two legs.

Once you get to SoL the most unclassic thing is not the models but the fact that the game had moved into its final stages of refinement. Almost every class in SoL was good, the itemization made a lot more sense and the zones became all largely unforgettable shit.

https://i.imgur.com/i3Fur9O.png

[Mistle]

44 people trying to click the ground spawn piece for VP key in Swamp of No Hope.

"Nostalgia"

[Mead]

44 people trying to click the ground spawn piece for VP key in Swamp of No Hope.

"Nostalgia"

vs 200 ppl trying to get fte on 1 mob

"Nostalgia"

hollar at me gurl

will be here all night

[Mistle]

They are both awful and no one should do either.

[Mead]

They are both awful and no one should do either.

You could do the smart thing and not waste time doing VP key on a plane of time locked server

[Mistle]

You couldnt pay me to play on Agnarr. P99 will ebenyually learn this too, if this supposed "green server" ever became anything but a pipedream, but the people interested in these "progression servers" - even ones that will stop progressing - have changed. Its not nostalgia hunters anymore. Phinigel was the last gasp of that. Its just people trying to lock down anything and everything as fast as possible, probably for rmt. Agnarr is the worst. Its essentially a krono farm. But green will be nearly as bad. Just shift those 44 people trying to click a ground spawn to the manastone or guise drops etc. It will happen. It is inevitable.

Turns out even emus and tlcs have only a certain lifespan too.

[Mead]

You couldnt pay me to play on Agnarr. P99 will ebenyually learn this too, if this supposed "green server" ever became anything but a pipedream, but the people interested in these "progression servers" - even ones that will stop progressing - have changed. Its not nostalgia hunters anymore. Phinigel was the last gasp of that. Its just people trying to lock down anything and everything as fast as possible, probably for rmt. Agnarr is the worst. Its essentially a krono farm. But green will be nearly as bad. Just shift those 44 people trying to click a ground spawn to the manastone or guise drops etc. It will happen. It is inevitable.

Turns out even emus and tlcs have only a certain lifespan too.

I agree with you although I am enjoying a very casual life on Agnarr and tooling around on p99 here and there