Server dying?

[Kelor]

Server dying or is it just summer time? i have to see it break 1k players lately. Before Agnarr and summer i remember seeing like 1.3 - 1.4k players online.

[Swazzle]

Eh, I just picked up the game again a few weeks ago. No shortage of players in zones across most level ranges.

So yes, it's likely summer + agnarr being new and fresh

[Jimjam]

So what if it is? Assuming it were true I suspect the decline will be fairly so at this stage.

Things don't last for ever, just enjoy what you have now :).

[Skew]

Watch how alive it becomes with aftermath suspension

An extra 20 Awakenbeards might log on , that'll be it.

[pogs4ever]

i've had the most fun times since agnarr popped; server was too full before, much better now.

totally unclassic vanilla was hella fun too.

[Kesselring]

Once agnarr hits luclin/PoP era and you can really break the game with dual boxing, people will remember why TLP servers are bad and boring and come running back. Happened with phinny. Will happen again.

[Skew]

why would anyone run back here after playing on phinny or agnarr?

Because instanced-raid content is even worse than dealing with neckbeards?

[hillgiantchamp]

Agnarr has been amazing. After playing p99 for 8 years I forgot how many simple features I was missing out on that only make the game more enjoyable and less time consuming. I couldn't go back. Vibe on p99 is sickening aswell.

[mickmoranis]

vite is sickening but im going to keep posting on the forums.. what....

[Swish]

"The vibe on P99 is sickening"

The vibe on Phinny/Agnarr isn't sickening... (?)



http://i.imgur.com/JvCZruq.jpg


Oh well, enjoy your dps races - nobody is coming to save you if your camp gets invaded :o

TLP players need Jesus

[Culkasi]

Of course the server is slowly dying. There is absolutely zero chance to see most of the content unless you are in either Aftermath or Awakened, neither are willing to share, and staff seems to be fine with the situation. That means that anyone who are "casual" and want to experience classic raiding either looks to alternatives (Agnarr TAKP) or just slowly stop playing. Alternatively they give up and join A/A, but those guilds are also slowly loosing members because they have achieved it all, and "dominating" for most people stop being fun after 3-4-5 years of the same.
You could argue its natural on a dead end server, but this could easily be solved if staff, or A/A, had any interest - there just doesn't seem to be at the moment. Maybe the future will change things, until then I am sure we will continue to see a slow decline in population, spiking on earthquakes, and some sort of short-lived boost when/if custom content.

[Tenderizer]

There is something appealing about getting to do the content when i want to and not sit by my phone at 4am just to kill a single mob in ToV.

Somehow grown adults would argue that waking up at 4am is some kind of competitive achievement and you should get good.

[botrainer]

I would much agree with a instanced classic server. It would make raiding much easier and more fun. I mean to have a night or two to clear a few raid events then have the rest of the week off would be nice. No more poopsocking, tracking, "train outs", DA pulling, cluster fucking. It would be great to keep Velious inside the instance structure, and keeping Kunark/Classic non instance.

[Skew]

Wait , theres no FTE/Camp priority on Agnar/Phinny? Its straight DPS races?
Oh im sure per capita there are far less assholes on those servers if thats the case.
hoho

[loramin]

Of course the server is slowly dying. There is absolutely zero chance to see most of the content unless you are in either Aftermath or Awakened, neither are willing to share, and staff seems to be fine with the situation. That means that anyone who are "casual" and want to experience classic raiding either looks to alternatives (Agnarr TAKP) or just slowly stop playing. Alternatively they give up and join A/A, but those guilds are also slowly loosing members because they have achieved it all, and "dominating" for most people stop being fun after 3-4-5 years of the same.
You could argue its natural on a dead end server, but this could easily be solved if staff, or A/A, had any interest - there just doesn't seem to be at the moment. Maybe the future will change things, until then I am sure we will continue to see a slow decline in population, spiking on earthquakes, and some sort of short-lived boost when/if custom content.

Yeah, and it's been "slowly dying" for eight years now, people sure don't like classic EverQuest :rolleyes:

When you say "chance to see most of the content", you're talking about like one or two zones, and a few mobs in a handful of other zones, right? You really consider that "most of" the literally 100+ zones full of content on P99? Plus I'll never understand why it is such an issue for people to have to join top guilds to see top content. It's like ... imagine if only American and Hawaiian Airlines flew to Hawaii, but you have hella miles with Southwest, so you cry that it's impossible for you to go to Hawaii. Um no, actually it's not, you just have to join the other people who want to go to Hawaii on their airline/guild.

Unless your problem isn't really which airlines are flying, it's the fact that you can't afford a ticket (ie. you're too casual) ... in which case you're basically arguing that because you can't afford a ticket to Hawaii, no one else should get to go to there (well, unless airlines start giving everyone free tickets). And you're also arguing that because you can't afford a ticket to Hawaii, that means the whole airline system/game is broken and it's impossible for you to take a vacation (never mind the fact that you can still afford to fly to California, Florida, New York, etc. ... ie. you can still have fun in the 95-odd other zones in the game).

[Arkanjil]

Well, i actually love the feel of classic EQ in P99. I might not see all the content, but being able to play with friends and just enjoy the classic mechanics and zones will always been fun. I actually enjoy leveling and doing it with toons that aren't twinked. There's a challenge in this game that you don't find elsewhere.

That said, I don't plan to leave until Pantheon releases, and even then I'll still play here one in a while.

[Peacocky]

Just got back from almost three years break, and feeling classic as ever!..

... and what are you doing on p99 forum?, must be bored already?.

http://i.imgur.com/DbKKzrT.jpg

[schnickusaurus]

To server staff:
I highly recommend you instance ToV for couple of months. You'll see 1500 online in notime. See it as some form of Christmas gift to us casuals. AA wont quit cuz of it, cuz 1) its limited time and 2) you already succeeded providing us a full classic experience more than perfectly well :)

[Lojik]

End game EQ is garbage, regardless if you rotate or race. The best part is exping 1-54ish (which is pretty fun on p99 for the most part.) Just hit 54, take a break, and reroll without twinking if you get classic eq itch.

[Tenderizer]

To server staff:
I highly recommend you instance ToV for couple of months. You'll see 1500 online in notime. See it as some form of Christmas gift to us casuals. AA wont quit cuz of it, cuz 1) its limited time and 2) you already succeeded providing us a full classic experience more than perfectly well :)

nah, when all is said and done (timeline) 3 servers would be ideal. keep blue as is for casuals and a red/blue that resets every 4 years or so. competitive peeps with no life must have best will gravitate towards reset server and casuals will stay on blues founding server.

p99 4 life! best museum piece classic eq around tbo

[schnickusaurus]

Yes i want new server too. I so look forward to my 30-40k Manastone !!! But i feel sorry for casual guild officers, i know a full ToV experience would be alot of joy for them.. i personally dont care much i dont raid much :p

[zodium]

I'm an Awakenbeard! :o

[branamil]

To server staff:
I highly recommend you instance ToV for couple of months. You'll see 1500 online in notime. See it as some form of Christmas gift to us casuals. AA wont quit cuz of it, cuz 1) its limited time and 2) you already succeeded providing us a full classic experience more than perfectly well :)

This is a cute thought but this is like saying you'd "appreciate it" if they added achievements, multiplayer, and saved games to Minesweeper.

It's a volunteer programmer staff working on their hobby. It's a 20 year old game that was poorly programmed. You can't just slap on instances like that.

[Check12345]

They can spawn a Vox or Naggy though.

[Pyrocat]

lol this thread. I saw 950 people online this morning. The only time I've seen the "1.4k" numbers the op mentioned were during the first month of Kunak and the first month of Velious.

[shuklak]

Why schedule a vox nag raid once a month with a 12 hour window just for a shot when you can do it once a week guaranteed at your leisure?

Face the facts, eventually 98% out People want to raid and p99 raid scene is toxic and or unappealing to the vast majority of people.

[loramin]

Why schedule a vox nag raid once a month with a 12 hour window just for a shot when you can do it once a week guaranteed at your leisure?

Maybe because people enjoy a fantasy world where killing a dragon is a rare and epic event more than one where any idiot can make a dragon magically appear at their whim by pressing a button?

Really you just summed up the entirety of why people still play classic EQ instead of all the more modern MMOGs. The modern MMOGs (including EQ 1.5, or whatever you want to call Agnarr) DO make things easier and more convenient ... and in the process they lose the fun that classic EQ still has.

[Faiding]

Well, considering at the "end" of P99 your only options are to a) quit or b) start over again I'd say that lends to a high turnover.

Then again, there's nothing "classic" about Agnarr either, which tends to just make it feel like you're playing the same MMO that everyone quit for WoW.

[ridiculousmoose]

Someone please take the time to link the 50+ past threads that have said the same thing over the past decade every summer... swish wru?

[Maligar]

It's a holiday weekend. If you need proof, they also sell calendars.

[Qtip]

Maybe because people enjoy a fantasy world where killing a dragon is a rare and epic event more than one where any idiot can make a dragon magically appear at their whim by pressing a button?

Really you just summed up the entirety of why people still play classic EQ instead of all the more modern MMOGs. The modern MMOGs (including EQ 1.5, or whatever you want to call Agnarr) DO make things easier and more convenient ... and in the process they lose the fun that classic EQ still has.

[Ravager]

Someone please take the time to link the 50+ past threads that have said the same thing over the past decade every summer... swish wru?

You seriously want that idiot's opinion?

[skarlorn]

peak pop was 650 when i joined in 2013 so i'd say it's still doing ok lol

[Cecily]

I remember.. 400 in 2012?

[Daud]

Guys I just swung by the front page and it's confirmed, server is dead population can't even hit 1k pack it the fuck up.

http://i.imgur.com/8E5v0wY.jpg

[Xanaxx]

Of course the server is slowly dying. There is absolutely zero chance to see most of the content unless you are in either Aftermath or Awakened, neither are willing to share, and staff seems to be fine with the situation. That means that anyone who are "casual" and want to experience classic raiding either looks to alternatives (Agnarr TAKP) or just slowly stop playing. Alternatively they give up and join A/A, but those guilds are also slowly loosing members because they have achieved it all, and "dominating" for most people stop being fun after 3-4-5 years of the same.
You could argue its natural on a dead end server, but this could easily be solved if staff, or A/A, had any interest - there just doesn't seem to be at the moment. Maybe the future will change things, until then I am sure we will continue to see a slow decline in population, spiking on earthquakes, and some sort of short-lived boost when/if custom content.

Are you shitting me? Do you know how many times and for how long dragons are in in ToV all fucking day that CSG could go get? Once again nobody is stopping you guys from killing anything. Even in the FTE running days, there would be 15 people on the line, 6 dragons in window and NOT 1 CSG running. Yet on the forums, it was whine whine whine or /petition /petition /petition. WTF dude. Take some responsibility

[Xanaxx]

Yeah, and it's been "slowly dying" for eight years now, people sure don't like classic EverQuest :rolleyes:

When you say "chance to see most of the content", you're talking about like one or two zones, and a few mobs in a handful of other zones, right? You really consider that "most of" the literally 100+ zones full of content on P99? Plus I'll never understand why it is such an issue for people to have to join top guilds to see top content. It's like ... imagine if only American and Hawaiian Airlines flew to Hawaii, but you have hella miles with Southwest, so you cry that it's impossible for you to go to Hawaii. Um no, actually it's not, you just have to join the other people who want to go to Hawaii on their airline/guild.

Unless your problem isn't really which airlines are flying, it's the fact that you can't afford a ticket (ie. you're too casual) ... in which case you're basically arguing that because you can't afford a ticket to Hawaii, no one else should get to go to there (well, unless airlines start giving everyone free tickets). And you're also arguing that because you can't afford a ticket to Hawaii, that means the whole airline system/game is broken and it's impossible for you to take a vacation (never mind the fact that you can still afford to fly to California, Florida, New York, etc. ... ie. you can still have fun in the 95-odd other zones in the game).

Dude, you just perfectly described the liberal agenda in the United States. /victim

[Ravager]

I remember.. 400 in 2012?
Still 10 times as many as red had.

[Swish]

I remember.. 400 in 2012?

Late 2010 definitely. Seeing 600 was a big thing.

Also I remember zoning into Mistmoore on my first main (a troll SK) and there not being anyone in there :/

[Arkanjil]

Perspective....in Oct 2009 we had 80-100 peeps and I felt like it was great back then! I don't think we went over 200 until Dec or January.

[shuklak]

Time to unload my platinum before my 401k disappears!

[raato]

Are you shitting me? Do you know how many times and for how long dragons are in in ToV all fucking day that CSG could go get? Once again nobody is stopping you guys from killing anything. Even in the FTE running days, there would be 15 people on the line, 6 dragons in window and NOT 1 CSG running. Yet on the forums, it was whine whine whine or /petition /petition /petition. WTF dude. Take some responsibility

Maybe CSG doesn't bother checking/batphoning ToV since they know that A/A alliance skypechannel named "Fuck Casuals" will fire up their batphones to block CSG from the content when CSG fires their batphones, because manchilds in those guilds have moles in CSG. So it is not worth the effort to waste time gathering up in ToV, when most of the time it ends up being trained or otherwise rules being abused by A/A to get what they want (block others from content).

Also those who were footracing in CSG kinda stopped after they figured out that most of the FTE footraces were won by known cheaters. It's kinda pointless to stand at the line without chance to win if you refuse to use cheats, don't you think?

And afaik CSG never has petitioned anyone on footracing. And if I'm counting correct there has been 1 Aftermath and 0 Awakened 10d suspensions because CSG petitioned it, and I'm still kinda unsure about that AM ban if that even was petitioned by CSG since nobody from CSG leadership knows about who did it. I know right?

I guess the main point is that the end game is very unenjoyable for people who respect rules and other people. That is why some people won't fly to Hawaii even when they could afford it, because the plane is full of people who rather shit on the whole flight industry making also all other flights unenjoyable for majority and it is piloted by inconsistent pilot that is afraid to kick the bullies out from the plane.

[Qtip]

Maybe CSG doesn't bother checking/batphoning ToV since they know that A/A alliance skypechannel named "Fuck Casuals" will fire up their batphones to block CSG from the content when CSG fires their batphones, because manchilds in those guilds have moles in CSG. So it is not worth the effort to waste time gathering up in ToV, when most of the time it ends up being trained or otherwise rules being abused by A/A to get what they want (block others from content).

Also those who were footracing in CSG kinda stopped after they figured out that most of the FTE footraces were won by known cheaters. It's kinda pointless to stand at the line without chance to win if you refuse to use cheats, don't you think?

And afaik CSG never has petitioned anyone on footracing. And if I'm counting correct there has been 1 Aftermath and 0 Awakened 10d suspensions because CSG petitioned it, and I'm still kinda unsure about that AM ban if that even was petitioned by CSG since nobody from CSG leadership knows about who did it. I know right?

I guess the main point is that the end game is very unenjoyable for people who respect rules and other people. That is why some people won't fly to Hawaii even when they could afford it, because the plane is full of people who rather shit on the whole flight industry making also all other flights unenjoyable for majority and it is piloted by inconsistent pilot that is afraid to kick the bullies out from the plane.

Are you from the generation where no kid gets left behind and everyone gets a trophy?

[Dolalin]

Are you from the generation where no kid gets left behind and everyone gets a trophy?


Video games are the only place in life where sitting on your ass glued to a screen "earns" you anything.

[raato]

Are you from the generation where no kid gets left behind and everyone gets a trophy?

Nah, I was just raised to respect others. The things I was talking about has nothing to do with rewarding everyone equally.

[Expediency]

Also those who were footracing in CSG kinda stopped after they figured out that most of the FTE footraces were won by known cheaters. It's kinda pointless to stand at the line without chance to win if you refuse to use cheats, don't you think?



Being banned 10 days for cheating was a blessing in disguise. They lost a mob cycle but after that nobody wanted to race against them because it was confirmed they had been cheating and our time is valuable to us.

[Lhancelot]

And if I'm counting correct there has been 1 Aftermath and 0 Awakened 10d suspensions because CSG petitioned it...

Since CSG is the moral compass to which all others must measure up to, does this make Aftermath the server bad guys now?

We had a nice thread about the server dying, and you guys turn this into an epeen morality contest as usual.

Stop pretending to be such perfect p99ers, this song and dance gets old. The only CSG that can say they are wonderful near perfect p99ers is Omni. I feel bad they are even part of CSG to be honest, the way some of Europa and AG behave at times.

[raato]

Since CSG is the moral compass to which all others must measure up to, does this make Aftermath the server bad guys now?

We had a nice thread about the server dying, and you guys turn this into an epeen morality contest as usual.

Stop pretending to be such perfect p99ers, this song and dance gets old. The only CSG that can say they are wonderful near perfect p99ers is Omni. I feel bad they are even part of CSG to be honest, the way some of Europa and AG behave at times.

I'm not saying we are perfect p99ers, everyone plays this game differently. Some do 1-54 over and over again and some do raid content, high or low end, competitive or not. All CSG has ever wanted is to have server that fits for everyone, no matter how they want to play.

I honestly don't know which Europa member has done something so bad to you that you still carry grudge on it, but I can ensure that every Europa member that behaves badly will get disciplined accordingly (warning, guildkick etc).

[kotton05]

I remember some real abysmal numbers at one point. Server not dead. It's a huge revolving door.

[Shrubwise]

Agnarr is an abomination and not in the same category as Project 1999.

[paulgiamatti]

CSG certainly isn't the true north of MMORPG Ethics 101 or anything, and it's true that the standard of dedication/skill/neckbeardery in A/A(/R) is substantially higher. It isn't all cheating 100% of the time, though there is enough of that to sour anyone's end-game adventure if they aren't marching with Pepe and the Nazis. It's definitely not on all sides.

Whenever a friend consults me about which guild they should join, I invariably recommend CSG, because I just don't care about their pixels. Of course you're going to get way better loot and learn every underhanded trick in A/A. Of course you're going to have to spend your waking hours listening to barely literate, mouthbreathing idiots struggle to formulate sentences in VoIP chat. I recommend CSG because for the most part they're real-ass people with day jobs and families, and not completely toxic assholes. I recommend CSG, because CSG is full of people who simply don't care about being the best of the best at any cost - people who actually do care if the ends justify the means. There are a few of those in A/A too, granted.

EverQuest is a social game, and the way A/A conduct themselves is completely antithetical to the project of creating an enjoyable online social environment. The way A/A play merely maximizes end-game enjoyment for a fringe group of sociopaths, while immiserating anyone else with similar ambitions. I don't exclusively blame A/A leadership for this - this is a mob mentality that can't be easily swayed by incentive or example. Detoxx and Breaken could condemn in the harshest possible terms all forms of cheating and hacking and poor sportsmanship today, but tomorrow some loot-crazed moron is going to do something illegal when push comes to shove and real elf pixels are on the line. And there are a few of those in CSG too, granted.

On the whole, CSG is worse at P99 EverQuest than A/A, cheating and hackery and batphone infiltration aside. I don't think anyone has any illusions about this. You can't coordinate three guilds of casuals, many of whom don't know the first thing about the encounter that was just batphoned, to compete in an FTE race with powerhouse guilds who've killed every single dragon in ToV so many times that it's become boring. Of course dragons in ToV are being left up all day. The dragon that's been left up all day is no more available to CSG than the dragon they were waiting for at the starting line. A/A knows they don't have to batphone that dragon, because they'll know the instant someone else is going for it, and they know that even if their batphone goes off second, they're still going to get the kill.

The point I'm making here is one against false balance. Antifa is not equal to the neo-Nazis. The Gender Unicorn is not equal to Pepe the Frog. Intentions matter here, and at the end of the day I'm still going to side with the cockless, downtrodden Unsullied instead of the Lannisters, and I'm going to recommend that someone joins Kittens Who Say Meow before A/A for sanity purposes. No, you're not going to be able to compete in the big leagues, but you might actually enjoy your interaction with other people on a genuine level that isn't infected by greed and cynicism.

[Mead]

10 people didn't log in this morning

shits going down the tubes boys

[Tenderizer]

CSG certainly isn't the true north of MMORPG Ethics 101 or anything, and it's true that the standard of dedication/skill/neckbeardery in A/A(/R) is substantially higher. It isn't all cheating 100% of the time, though there is enough of that to sour anyone's end-game adventure if they aren't marching with Pepe and the Nazis. It's definitely not on all sides.

Whenever a friend consults me about which guild they should join, I invariably recommend CSG, because I just don't care about their pixels. Of course you're going to get way better loot and learn every underhanded trick in A/A. Of course you're going to have to spend your waking hours listening to barely literate, mouthbreathing idiots struggle to formulate sentences in VoIP chat. I recommend CSG because for the most part they're real-ass people with day jobs and families, and not completely toxic assholes. I recommend CSG, because CSG is full of people who simply don't care about being the best of the best at any cost - people who actually do care if the ends justify the means. There are a few of those in A/A too, granted.

EverQuest is a social game, and the way A/A conduct themselves is completely antithetical to the project of creating an enjoyable online social environment. The way A/A play merely maximizes end-game enjoyment for a fringe group of sociopaths, while immiserating anyone else with similar ambitions. I don't exclusively blame A/A leadership for this - this is a mob mentality that can't be easily swayed by incentive or example. Detoxx and Breaken could condemn in the harshest possible terms all forms of cheating and hacking and poor sportsmanship today, but tomorrow some loot-crazed moron is going to do something illegal when push comes to shove and real elf pixels are on the line. And there are a few of those in CSG too, granted.

On the whole, CSG is worse at P99 EverQuest than A/A, cheating and hackery and batphone infiltration aside. I don't think anyone has any illusions about this. You can't coordinate three guilds of casuals, many of whom don't know the first thing about the encounter that was just batphoned, to compete in an FTE race with powerhouse guilds who've killed every single dragon in ToV so many times that it's become boring. Of course dragons in ToV are being left up all day. The dragon that's been left up all day is no more available to CSG than the dragon they were waiting for at the starting line. A/A knows they don't have to batphone that dragon, because they'll know the instant someone else is going for it, and they know that even if their batphone goes off second, they're still going to get the kill.

The point I'm making here is one against false balance. Antifa is not equal to the neo-Nazis. The Gender Unicorn is not equal to Pepe the Frog. Intentions matter here, and at the end of the day I'm still going to side with the cockless, downtrodden Unsullied instead of the Lannisters, and I'm going to recommend that someone joins Kittens Who Say Meow before A/A for sanity purposes. No, you're not going to be able to compete in the big leagues, but you might actually enjoy your interaction with other people on a genuine level that isn't infected by greed and cynicism.

Forgot some other vital points but spot on. Better than 16+hours logged in only to have zone crashed and mob stolen, good ol days. Endgame has evolved on the server and will continue, question is how is it going to evolve with no more content.

[paulgiamatti]

Release Luclin on here with a few minor tweaks and you'll see pop above 2k at least.

Forget Luclin, you'd probably see this with Chardok 2.0, especially during the holiday season.

[Baler]

Server isn't dying people need to stop bumping this terrible thread.

[Rick Sanchez]

Every emulator has it's time.

[Ravager]

After Thanksgiving people will complain about how crowded the server is and that they can't camp jboots.

[paulgiamatti]

They said the same thing about Velious

Nah, everyone was saying we'd hit 3k with Velious, which in all fairness it probably would've if it wasn't delayed until late summer, and even then it hovered around 2k for the initial few weeks.

[FatMice]

Server isn't dying people need to stop bumping this terrible thread.

[Pan]

This thread is remarkably devoid of hard data...on either side of the original question.

[paulgiamatti]

This thread is remarkably devoid of hard data...on either side of the original question.

Pssh, facts shmacts. C'mon Cloki, everyone knows facts are fake news these days.

[arsenalpow]

not like there isn't dozen of guilds that left for raid content, totally fake news

[Comoc1]

Damn CSG is flexin big nuts in this thread boys. Bravo.

[arsenalpow]

Damn CSG is flexin big nuts in this thread boys. Bravo.

ya, being ignorant enough to gobble any warm body that didn't go to A/A so they can farm chardok royals and plane of hate/fear ad nauseam sounds like big flexin

[Mead]

but... it did hit 2k for velious.

And Luclin is a better expansion than Velious.

And P99 going to Luclin would shake up the TLP server pretty hardcore as most of them (correctly) think Luclin is the GOAT

You should probably start a thread about it. We don't have enough of those

[mefdinkins]

I guess the main point is that the end game is very unenjoyable for people who respect rules and other people. That is why some people won't fly to Hawaii even when they could afford it, because the plane is full of people who rather shit on the whole flight industry making also all other flights unenjoyable for majority and it is piloted by inconsistent pilot that is afraid to kick the bullies out from the plane.

I am in Awakened and I respect the rules and other people.

Raiding in P99 is is incredibly competitive and it takes a ton of resources, especially time and energy. Not everyone is willing to leave dinner a little early to kill a mob, or stay up a little later to help recover your pull team after losing a mob to your competition. Even in Awakened some players really love to clear Plane of Growth for 12 hours for a chance at bad loot, others don't think it's worth it.

I respect anyone who refuses to play the game in a way that is not fun for them. However, I don't think the 'flight' analogy makes much sense and I don't know why if you're unhappy with your current situation you think bashing the staff or more competitive guilds on the forums will help.

[Swish]

ya, being ignorant enough to gobble any warm body that didn't go to A/A so they can farm chardok royals and plane of hate/fear ad nauseam sounds like big flexin

What would BDA know about recruiting warm bodies? Oh, they wrote the book on it...that's right :o :D

[raato]

ya, being ignorant enough to gobble any warm body that didn't go to A/A so they can farm chardok royals and plane of hate/fear ad nauseam sounds like big flexin

Nope. I can speak only for Europa, but there has been plenty of people who didn't pass trial due to personality issues or other reasons and they got into A/As easily.

[raato]

I am in Awakened and I respect the rules and other people.

Raiding in P99 is is incredibly competitive and it takes a ton of resources, especially time and energy. Not everyone is willing to leave dinner a little early to kill a mob, or stay up a little later to help recover your pull team after losing a mob to your competition. Even in Awakened some players really love to clear Plane of Growth for 12 hours for a chance at bad loot, others don't think it's worth it.

I respect anyone who refuses to play the game in a way that is not fun for them. However, I don't think the 'flight' analogy makes much sense and I don't know why if you're unhappy with your current situation you think bashing the staff or more competitive guilds on the forums will help.

Not saying all of the A/A members are disrespectful towards the rules or other people, I know many players in both guilds that are awesome and friendly people when you are communicating with them. But by being member of those guilds it shows that you are not only fine with how some of the members/leadership break the rules and act but also supporting it.

If it were only skills or willingness to log in whenever I would call it fair competition, but it has never been just that. Being suspended on multiple occasions for breaking the rules doesn't happen on its own, and knowing how hard it is sometimes to prove that there has been rule violations you can only imagine how often shady things happen.

And I don't have any slight hope that anything I post here would actually help fix any of the problems I'm talking about. I'm enjoying Agnarr most of the time and just rarely logging in p99 when I'm asked to, because I have realized that this environment is what server staff wants it to be because they would have done something if it wasn't.

[Jimjam]

Nope. I can speak only for Europa, but there has been plenty of people who didn't pass trial due to personality issues or other reasons and they got into A/As easily.

So the rumours of CSG being a feeder guild for A/A are true, except Europa has been feeding them faeces!?

That's hard to digest.

[Baler]

I know the truth about the drama and I aint tellin no body.
It will blow my cover.

---
Let's get this heap moved into RnF where it belongs.

[Danronaldo]

Ofc server is dieing no one wants to farm velious for ten yeara

[Swish]

I do

[Peacocky]

Ofc server is dieing no one wants to farm velious for ten yeara

http://i.imgur.com/lYJEx8W.gif

[Lhancelot]

I don't know why if you're unhappy with your current situation you think bashing the staff or more competitive guilds on the forums will help.

This. ^

Now can we please get back to the server dying? Why is the server dying guys? :(

[Raavak]

Ofc server is dieing no one wants to farm velious for ten yeara
There is something called rollover.
I run into brand new players all the time.

I'd say the server population is about at optimum. When it gets much over 1k its almost too crowded. It might force you to go someplace out of the norm to level/farm, but most of the time that isn't as fun or profitable.

[Transylvania]

When it gets over 600 its already too crowded. We have nothing past Velious and never will, there's not that many non raid zones for any given level range - any mob worth more than 100 plat is permacamped even in the pre dawn hours of weekdays, 7 days a week.

[Transylvania]

Wanna see dead stop by OOT seafuries.

[maskedmelonpai]

server pop oscillate. it do that. i dunno why, it just do. don't much matter if it stay down or not because I have fun with it. if pop falls to a level that i can't have no fun nomore, then i probably stop playing.

<--- this casual though didn't get much of any game time this weekend, but im not coming in here to complain that it others who did play are gonna be levels aheada me, or got to kill dragons. why? because if I had wanted, i could have logged in to kill dragons. there is NOTHING stopping ANYONE from experiencing ALL content on this server except you own prejudices (or personality if you a insufferable douchebag).

you wanna experience all the cool stuff in the game? make a winning team. you team not winning? make it better or join a winning one. tribal fidenilty is NOT inherently virtuous and the fact that you team is losing don't make it anymore so :/

honestly though, if you wanna make you team top notch there just a couple things that differentiate the top guilds from the rest:

1. mobilization
2. clickies

it shouldn't take an hour and a half to prep for a pull. you don't need one person to say how to make groups. you do t even need to worry about making groups. you need a tank and a ch chain, which involve pressing one button every 10sec+delay and everyone else just need to be there ASAP (don't show up 10min late looking for port, park yourself beforehand). then everyone just need to get the buffs they need and and have clickies available for oh crap moments.

it SUPER simple, but it far more convenient to blame the inability to clear those relatively low hurdles on a nefarious enemy who cannot be beaten.

yeah, you DO need a small group of people though who can dedicate a good chunk of time to facilitating it, OR a very large group who are willing to donate a little time. when you got everyone comtributing a little, it make a huge difference. yeah, maybe I don't feel like camping a level 20 Orc in highpass, but you know what? i can do it while watching a show if it help my guild a little. it don't take a lot when everyone do a little.

[raato]

honestly though, if you wanna make you team top notch there just a couple things that differentiate the top guilds from the rest:

1. mobilization
2. clickies
3. willing to break the rules if required for winning

Fixed that for you

[arsenalpow]

You forgot this one:

4) live a totally unhealthy lifestyle that revolves around the game. Neckbeard harder than the other neckbeards

[maskedmelonpai]

Fixed that for you

you mean liek kiting CT around for half an hour while recovering from a wipe?

it not true though. you didnt need to cheat to get FTE and the guild that ended up with the kill didn't need to cheat to get it.

You forgot this one:

4) live a totally unhealthy lifestyle that revolves around the game. Neckbeard harder than the other neckbeards

not true neither though and I explained why. there already lotta people like that in other guilds and they the ones who get mad they losing.


the two things that I listed are really the only differentiators between winning guilds and losing ones. every guild have some people with lotta playtime, but none really have a higher percent of those people than any other. it a matter of how effective those people are and how well the rest the people in they guild support them. that it.

[Heebs13]

Are you shitting me? Do you know how many times and for how long dragons are in in ToV all fucking day that CSG could go get? Once again nobody is stopping you guys from killing anything. Even in the FTE running days, there would be 15 people on the line, 6 dragons in window and NOT 1 CSG running. Yet on the forums, it was whine whine whine or /petition /petition /petition. WTF dude. Take some responsibility

Maybe I've just only been around on A/A poopsock days and I've missed the days where you guys are leaving up all the merbs, but every time I've been in ToV getting timers, I walk in to a bunch of A/A just sitting at the zonein and y'all pull mobs within 60 seconds of them spawning. I'm talking specifically about the more entry-level named in the zone such as Telk, Doze, Eashen - you know, the sorts of mobs a less experienced and less geared guild would want to cut their teeth on. Oh you guys left Vulak up for a few hours while you cleared the rest of the zone? Amazing, can't wait to bring a casual guild/alliance to try to compete on that. Heck, even lesser targets outside of ToV, I can't count the number of times we've tried to rush to the mob within minutes of it spawning and here comes Aftermath with half the people to FTE the mob before we get a chance.

Now look, I'm not complaining. I know some are, but I'm not. I get it, that's just the way the game is. But at least get your facts straight. Don't act like TOV is just asking to be raided and the only thing stopping CSG from rolling in pixels is their laziness or something. Awakened was cool about CSG coming in and doing LTK and Feshlak yesterday during the Aftermath ban, and I'm pretty sure they cleaned up the entire zone in the time it took us to learn and kill those mobs. If both A/A had been there and weren't interested in playing nice? You've got to be kidding me if you think we would have gotten those kills. As others have said, we go for targets where we feel we have a reasonable chance of competing. Are we going to go for the mob that 9/10 times A/A will FTE first, and that other 1/10 we will wipe because we've never done it before and then we lose the FTE anyway? Surely you can understand why not everyone would want to spend their time that way. Or maybe you can't, doesn't matter I guess.

So yeah, someone asked why the server is "dying"? Most people came back with the intention of revisiting (or seeing for the first time) old content from back in the day. A lot of us, not all - but a lot, now have jobs/families/responsibilities and don't feel like poopsocking for 16 hours straight. A lot of those people reach a certain point where their options are neglect their real life for pixels or stop progressing their toon / roll an alt to do the 1-60 grind again. Some people choose the poopsock life, some roll alts, and some just get bored and stop logging back in. This isn't something new: every MMO reaches a point where people stop playing until the next expansion comes out because they've done all the content they can and they're bored. Maybe if Luclin came out that would help but I'm pretty sure the staff has said they aren't doing that and I know some people just aren't interested in Luclin - and if they are, they've probably swapped to Agnarr where Luclin is a guaranteed thing within a few months whereas on P99 you'll most likely never see it at all.

[Legday]

Awakened was cool about CSG coming in and doing LTK and Feshlak yesterday during the Aftermath ban

Do you know why Awakened let you guys kill Fesh? They needed somebody to kill him for them so they could kill Vulak. They conceded 2 Feshlaks because they trained us with him last week and were going to possibly eat a 10 day but weren't going to concede 2 because that is how petty things are at the top. They only conceded 2 once we got our 10 day and quite literally needed you guys to kill it for them.

[Legday]

Do you know why Awakened let you guys kill Fesh? They needed somebody to kill him for them so they could kill Vulak. They conceded 2 Feshlaks because they trained us with him last week and were going to possibly eat a 10 day but weren't going to concede 2 because that is how petty things are at the top. They only conceded 2 once we got our 10 day and quite literally needed you guys to kill it for them.

Very cool and charitable to let you guys kill LTK though.

[Heebs13]

Do you know why Awakened let you guys kill Fesh? They needed somebody to kill him for them so they could kill Vulak. They conceded 2 Feshlaks because they trained us with him last week and were going to possibly eat a 10 day but weren't going to concede 2 because that is how petty things are at the top. They only conceded 2 once we got our 10 day and quite literally needed you guys to kill it for them.

I figured there was a less-than-charitable reason (and if I'm not mistaken, letting us have LTK was part of this deal - you kill Feshlak for us, we let you have LTK), but the point remains. We would have never been able to kill Feshlak if we had not been ALLOWED to kill Feshlak.

And that's the simple reality for all of ToV right now. Paul had it right when he said even if a mob is "left up" in ToV, that mob is no more available to the lower guilds than if it was already dead. If we formed up to try to take a ToV mob, A/A would be there immediately and would have that mob long before we were able to figure it out.

[arsenalpow]

So yeah, someone asked why the server is "dying"? Most people came back with the intention of revisiting (or seeing for the first time) old content from back in the day. A lot of us, not all - but a lot, now have jobs/families/responsibilities and don't feel like poopsocking for 16 hours straight. A lot of those people reach a certain point where their options are neglect their real life for pixels or stop progressing their toon / roll an alt to do the 1-60 grind again.

Pretty much, that's why agnarr and phinny are successful because you can casually raid on a healthy schedule. You get to experience content without the drama.

[mefdinkins]

But by being member of those guilds it shows that you are not only fine with how some of the members/leadership break the rules and act but also supporting it.

I think this is an incredibly naive view of the game. I am 100% fine with the way Awakened ensures compliance with server rules and I have a great deal of respect for our senior leadership. Players like Eratani and Breaken help make P99 a better place for sure, especially while trying to counterbalance some of the insanity in the current raid scene. There's no incentive to break the rules on P99. Why risk 10 days of mobs for any single mob? Awakened has kicked players who violated server rules. Awakened gives DKP for 'training sessions.' We have a recruitment period and requirements that ensure our players are 'good people' and up to speed. I received about as much training / informational materials while joining Awakened as I have before starting new jobs. On multiple occasions we've stopped any raid activity until checking in with Sirken. On multiple occasions we've lost mobs to other guilds because we weren't comfortable engaging under the circumstances or in gray areas. We've conceded mobs with no one else in zone. We've also extended olive branches and done things like not contest Dain, Yeli, CT, LTK, and Feshlak this past weekend.

I have attended nearly 700 raids with Awakened and I have never once heard leaders knowingly propose a course of action that was against the server rules. We've also made on the fly decisions based on our interpretation of rules and based on as much information as we could gather at the time (fraps etc). The rules are not as clear as we'd like and scenarios are not as transparent as we'd like (why did a mob warp? what happened? who casted that spell? how the hell did that person get on aggro list) and we've taken full responsibility for those decisions and any punishment that stemmed from them.

I think it's a cop out to say, "every member of AW/AM are evil, that is why we don't compete."

[raato]

you mean liek kiting CT around for half an hour while recovering from a wipe?

Dunno when this has happened, but pretty sure if you are talking about CSG they conceded it without anyone having to ask for it or provide any hard evidence that it has happened. And half an hour seems kinda exaggeration since we all know that if you kite it even 10s to wrong direction someone will start shouting "concede!".

I mean more like how you tag agro from other guilds kite and spam bladestopper to steal agro from the kite and bring mobs inside non-leash range of CT when other guild is engaged to CT. Or when you FTE CT with 25ppl, so you have just enough to keep everyone alive and stall a good while so more people have time to log in, then log out and clusterfuck train everyone in the zone while most of your raid camps out before the train hits because they know its about to hit, then log back in and kill CT while other raid is recovering from the wipe. Just to mention few.

[Lhancelot]

server pop oscillate. it do that. i dunno why, it just do. don't much matter if it stay down or not because I have fun with it. if pop falls to a level that i can't have no fun nomore, then i probably stop playing.

<--- this casual though didn't get much of any game time this weekend, but im not coming in here to complain that it others who did play are gonna be levels aheada me, or got to kill dragons. why? because if I had wanted, i could have logged in to kill dragons. there is NOTHING stopping ANYONE from experiencing ALL content on this server except you own prejudices (or personality if you a insufferable douchebag).

you wanna experience all the cool stuff in the game? make a winning team. you team not winning? make it better or join a winning one. tribal fidenilty is NOT inherently virtuous and the fact that you team is losing don't make it anymore so :/

honestly though, if you wanna make you team top notch there just a couple things that differentiate the top guilds from the rest:

1. mobilization
2. clickies

it shouldn't take an hour and a half to prep for a pull. you don't need one person to say how to make groups. you do t even need to worry about making groups. you need a tank and a ch chain, which involve pressing one button every 10sec+delay and everyone else just need to be there ASAP (don't show up 10min late looking for port, park yourself beforehand). then everyone just need to get the buffs they need and and have clickies available for oh crap moments.

it SUPER simple, but it far more convenient to blame the inability to clear those relatively low hurdles on a nefarious enemy who cannot be beaten.

yeah, you DO need a small group of people though who can dedicate a good chunk of time to facilitating it, OR a very large group who are willing to donate a little time. when you got everyone comtributing a little, it make a huge difference. yeah, maybe I don't feel like camping a level 20 Orc in highpass, but you know what? i can do it while watching a show if it help my guild a little. it don't take a lot when everyone do a little.

Highly disappointed in this post Melon!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought for SURE you had a new word you pulled out that I never read before, only to look it up and find you had simply mispelled "fidelity!"

:(:(:(

[smitho1984]

Or when you FTE CT with 25ppl, so you have just enough to keep everyone alive and stall a good while so more people have time to log in
Never happened its a concedable offense. wakened would never do this and can confirm if they had the mob would have been forfeited or a ban would have insued.

[mefdinkins]

Pretty much, that's why agnarr and phinny are successful because you can casually raid on a healthy schedule. You get to experience content without the drama.

Without the drama is a huge plus.

In terms of healthy schedule though that's really not true. You can be a very strong contributor in Awakened if you play 5-10 hours a week. I know in a progression server you're expected to farm farm farm and raid raid raid raid.

I have down weeks where I play 2 days for 4 hours total and can make 10-20% attendance. I have up weeks where I spend 4 hours alone farming Shiny Brass Idols before I even start raiding. It's all a balance but Awakened has a strong enough core that you can get some rest, not have to quit your job, etc. to kill a mob.

[raato]

Why risk 10 days of mobs for any single mob? Awakened has kicked players who violated server rules.
This hasn't always been the case, for example until recent changes in rules you could concede if you get caught and other guild had to accept the concede, but the harm was already done at that point because you had ruined the encounter for others. And it was brutally abused rule, because risk of getting caught is minimal. Also conceding single raid mob for next spawn doesn't work at all in raid scene with more than 2 guilds. And there is also example where Aw leadership knew that player was cheating but they allowed him to do that until he got caught and caused them to get 10 day suspension.

[QUOTE=mefdinkins;2577966]I think it's a cop out to say, "every member of AW/AM are evil, that is why we don't compete."

I'm not saying that every member of AW/AM are evil, I'm just saying that they are fine with it and also supporting it.

[maskedmelonpai]

Highly disappointed in this post Melon!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought for SURE you had a new word you pulled out that I never read before, only to look it up and find you had simply mispelled "fidelity!"

:(:(:(

im sorry lhance :c i do better next time.

[raato]

Never happened its a concedable offense. wakened would never do this and can confirm if they had the mob would have been forfeited or a ban would have insued.

Sorry, had to check fraps and you are correct. It was 31 players and they managed to stall it 10 minutes 10 seconds, before they dragged the whole trainkite on CT to make sure nobody could engage it for a good while because of the all mobs near it and causing backwash to wipe other guild because of the unannounced train drop.

[arsenalpow]

Without the drama is a huge plus.

In terms of healthy schedule though that's really not true. You can be a very strong contributor in Awakened if you play 5-10 hours a week. I know in a progression server you're expected to farm farm farm and raid raid raid raid.

I have down weeks where I play 2 days for 4 hours total and can make 10-20% attendance. I have up weeks where I spend 4 hours alone farming Shiny Brass Idols before I even start raiding. It's all a balance but Awakened has a strong enough core that you can get some rest, not have to quit your job, etc. to kill a mob.

We aren't farm farm farm raid raid raid, but that's def a thing on the progression servers. BDA still casual as fk

[smitho1984]

Sorry, had to check fraps and you are correct. It was 31 players and they managed to stall it 10 minutes 10 seconds, before they dragged the whole trainkite on CT to make sure nobody could engage it for a good while because of the all mobs near it and causing backwash to wipe other guild because of the unannounced train drop.

31 is not a stall... Awakened can kill CT with low 30's numbers and good class makeup. And im sure the reason there was a wipe was due to our bard kiting, died or due to leashing mechanics. Also, i doubt it was a 10 minute engage before this happened because no cleric can sustain mana casting DL for that long. FRAPS please.

[smitho1984]

My apologies i thought you were saying Awakened did this.

[Breaken]

And there is also example where Aw leadership knew that player was cheating but they allowed him to do that until he got caught and caused them to get 10 day suspension.

Poor poor Raato. Always trying to stick your nose where it doesn't belong. Please learn something before posting about it. Not only for this quote, but everything you spew about A/A. Maybe speak to your CSG leaders, or pay more attention, I don't know. Do something...

Both A/A had racers that were "tabbing" out to run faster. Where is your outcry of Aftermath leadership knowingly cheating? Let me reiterate, Aftermath leadership knowingly cheating.. Not knowing their member base was... but leadership itself. So, why on earth would Awakened ask the members to not tab out when Aftermath leaders were doing it?

[raato]

My apologies i thought you were saying Awakened did this.

It actually was Awakened. I'll see if I'm bored enough to upload fraps at some point. I honestly thought it was kinda impressive stall strategy because it wasn't so obvious when it happened.

[Breaken]

Gah, hit enter too soon!! To the real reason I was responding...

Server population was well over 1000 yesterday, long into the night. I believe it even broke 1100? Server is dying though.

[dafier]

Gah, hit enter too soon!! To the real reason I was responding...

Server population was well over 1000 yesterday, long into the night. I believe it even broke 1100? Server is dying though.

Seeing double doesn't help this thread.

[Legday]

Poor poor Raato. Always trying to stick your nose where it doesn't belong. Please learn something before posting about it. Not only for this quote, but everything you spew about A/A. Maybe speak to your CSG leaders, or pay more attention, I don't know. Do something...

Both A/A had racers that were "tabbing" out to run faster. Where is your outcry of Aftermath leadership knowingly cheating? Let me reiterate, Aftermath leadership knowingly cheating.. Not knowing their member base was... but leadership itself. So, why on earth would Awakened ask the members to not tab out when Aftermath leaders were doing it?

This is a lie. Don't really want to have this argument again but this is a lie told by a liar.

You guys are certainly the #1 guild in one category: lies to spin PR in your favor.

[raato]

Poor poor Raato. Always trying to stick your nose where it doesn't belong. Please learn something before posting about it. Not only for this quote, but everything you spew about A/A. Maybe speak to your CSG leaders, or pay more attention, I don't know. Do something...

Both A/A had racers that were "tabbing" out to run faster. Where is your outcry of Aftermath leadership knowingly cheating? Let me reiterate, Aftermath leadership knowingly cheating.. Not knowing their member base was... but leadership itself. So, why on earth would Awakened ask the members to not tab out when Aftermath leaders were doing it?

So if other party also cheats it makes it ok in your mind? Thanks for proving my point.

And thanks for advice, I'm pretty sure I got decent knowledge whats going on and thats why I did something and went to play on Agnarr.

[mefdinkins]

So if other party also cheats it makes it ok in your mind? Thanks for proving my point.

This wasn't cheating until the server staff said it was cheating. I have logs of AM leadership talking on the line in Kael in front of Sirken saying they would stop alt tabbing if Awakened would stop alt tabbing. At that point with guild relations being a little more negative neither party trusted each other so it kept happening.

Once CSG got involved they said "how can we compete when Hjial alt tabs!?!" With really no skin in the game b/c they don't FTE much, only an interest in getting top guilds suspended. Suddenly AM's FTE videos went private and they saw an opportunity to push forward the propaganda wagon against Hjial.

Honestly that type of attitude Raato... trying to get Aw/Am suspended for anything or claiming their blatant cheaters when they show exactly what they are doing on public youtube channels is what pushed Aw/Am, bitter rivals, into a more cooperative relationship and ultimately iced CSG out more than they were before.

[Breaken]

This is a lie. Don't really want to have this argument again but this is a lie told by a liar.

You guys are certainly the #1 guild in one category: lies to spin PR in your favor.

Don't have to lie when there is fraps of it... and when all Aftermath videos went private instantly following Sirken's ruling. It's fine, enjoy the sidelines for dicking over CSG. You guys are the true server heros.

[Zemus]

This is a lie. Don't really want to have this argument again but this is a lie told by a liar.

You guys are certainly the #1 guild in one category: lies to spin PR in your favor.

Bullshit Legday.

Breaken doesn't cheat.

GTFO.

[Legday]

Don't have to lie when there is fraps of it... and when all Aftermath videos went private instantly following Sirken's ruling. It's fine, enjoy the sidelines for dicking over CSG. You guys are the true server heros.

Us doing it wasn't the lie. The lie was you spinning the narrative where you didn't start it and then refuse to stop when we saw you doing it and asked you to stop. You guys were dusting us for months before we noticed and us trying to keep up was the only reason anybody on our side did it. You and only you ate a suspension for it for that reason. It was one of those justified suspensions that seems to be becoming so rare these days.

[Comoc1]

Don't have to lie when there is fraps of it... and when all Aftermath videos went private instantly following Sirken's ruling. It's fine, enjoy the sidelines for dicking over CSG. You guys are the true server heros.

We needed a break from beating your asses up and down the street anyway.

[Naethyn]

You guys are certainly the #1 guild in one category: lies to spin PR in your favor.

https://imgur.com/x7AefsK.jpg

[raato]

This wasn't cheating until the server staff said it was cheating. I have logs of AM leadership talking on the line in Kael in front of Sirken saying they would stop alt tabbing if Awakened would stop alt tabbing. At that point with guild relations being a little more negative neither party trusted each other so it kept happening.

Once CSG got involved they said "how can we compete when Hjial alt tabs!?!" With really no skin in the game b/c they don't FTE much, only an interest in getting top guilds suspended. Suddenly AM's FTE videos went private and they saw an opportunity to push forward the propaganda wagon against Hjial.

Honestly that type of attitude Raato... trying to get Aw/Am suspended for anything or claiming their blatant cheaters when they show exactly what they are doing on public youtube channels is what pushed Aw/Am, bitter rivals, into a more cooperative relationship and ultimately iced CSG out more than they were before.

Afaik CSG had pretty much nothing to do with that Hjial suspension. And if I or CSG tried to get Aw/Am suspended for anything we would probably petition way more than we do.

[RedXIII]

Raato is full retarded. Ignore it and move on. Dont give attention to a nobody.

[joediddy]

Don't have to lie when there is fraps of it... and when all Aftermath videos went private instantly following Sirken's ruling. It's fine, enjoy the sidelines for dicking over CSG. You guys are the true server heros.


You suck at RNF please keep your suckyness to in game content thanks!

[kotton05]

"I guess the main point is that the end game is very unenjoyable for people who respect rules and other people. That is why some people won't fly to Hawaii even when they could afford it, because the plane is full of people who rather shit on the whole flight industry making also all other flights unenjoyable for majority and it is piloted by inconsistent pilot that is afraid to kick the bullies out from the plane."

What in the actual fuck does this even mean? Wow you're stupider than stupid. I guess I can get away with saying something like that since after reading this I'm pretty sure I lost a critical amount of brain cells.


He compared end game raiding to a flight to Hawaii.

When he should of compared raiding to GoT... Detox is a Lannister that has no right to the throne! Breaking agreements when the greater good of humanity is at stake, just wanting self preservating pixels while the army of the dead is marching.

Breaken left with his legions left to fend off the (casual)white walkers that are always a pending threat now that winter has come.

[Tenderizer]

Do you know why Awakened let you guys kill Fesh? They needed somebody to kill him for them so they could kill Vulak. They conceded 2 Feshlaks because they trained us with him last week and were going to possibly eat a 10 day but weren't going to concede 2 because that is how petty things are at the top. They only conceded 2 once we got our 10 day and quite literally needed you guys to kill it for them.

True facts. Many more to be sure and with this little glimps it doesnt make it worth it for a lot of people to deal with stuff like this or worse everytime they turn around. Some put up with it some don't.
Dont white knight AM though all are guilty of this server being ehat it is regardless if people refuse to see or acknowledge it.

[Fifield]

Servers gonna be around for many years to come,

pick a side on the A/A train. Kill some dragons. enjoy some EQ. And when you do, fight for less of these stupid rules.

[Daldaen]

Servers gonna be around for many years to come,

pick a side on the A/A train. Kill some dragons. enjoy some EQ. And when you do, fight for less of these stupid rules.

#TryPhinigelorAgnarr

No rules there. DPS wins the race and you never get raid suspended.

Hi Fifepal.

[Detoxx]

Poor poor Raato. Always trying to stick your nose where it doesn't belong. Please learn something before posting about it. Not only for this quote, but everything you spew about A/A. Maybe speak to your CSG leaders, or pay more attention, I don't know. Do something...

Both A/A had racers that were "tabbing" out to run faster. Where is your outcry of Aftermath leadership knowingly cheating? Let me reiterate, Aftermath leadership knowingly cheating.. Not knowing their member base was... but leadership itself. So, why on earth would Awakened ask the members to not tab out when Aftermath leaders were doing it?

Hm I only see one guild suspended for alt tabbing Breaken. Wonder why that is. Oh that's right that s because I tried to get you to agree to stop doing it but you wouldn't because it was raking in those big old kill lists you like to post.

If you had any integrity you'd have agreed to stop before it was petitioned but you didn't and you got hit for it.

Should I post the chats I have if your leadership KNOWING Hjial was past the line, admitting it to multiple people in your leadership and then the same people saying to kill it anyways? Yea I think I will.

In before "we didn't stop cause we thought you wouldn't stop but even when asked to see fraps of AM being accused of alt tabbing and being 100% legit, we still think you would continue!"

Get a grip Breaken, you're literally delusional.

[Nibblewitz]

Reaching BDA levels of victimization here.

Yikes.

[arsenalpow]

P99 seems like a totally normal and cool server full of level headed individuals.

[dafier]

http://i.imgur.com/J0OREUz.gif

sums up all the trash P99 deals with yet it's still around and always will be.

[Fragged]

Newsflash since everyone is looking to petition A/A they are the entities that try the hardest on the entire server to abide by the rules. Being suspended is the worst thing that can happen to these guilds, and every single thing that any single member does in regards to raiding is scrutinized to no end to see if "Is this against the rules?".

No one cares what CSG and other "casual" entities do as it's more a liability to petition them for anything with the inconsistency with which petitions are handled. Every time "casual" guilds compete with A/A, A/A just sits and shakes their head over the countless of raid violations from the "casual" guilds, who simply don't know the rules as it's not alpha omega to them.

And as a consequence of the above it seems to the untrained eye that A/A are the "cheaters", where in reality it's the "casual" guilds that cheat their asses off (they simply don't know any better).

[Mistle]

Very entertaining thread. I'm killing CT, Statue, AoW, and Yelinak tonight, all at completely normal prime time hours, with nary a douchebag or a "line" or staring at any doors or skype streams to be seen. Non instanced, classic balance levels. And I can even bring two characters to it if I want.

Thursday I will kill every dragon in NToV below the twins and triplets. They go down on friday evening, and sunday we'll do the Vulak ring event. No races, no fraps, no "cheating".

And yet you guys STILL put up with this.

[Detoxx]

Sounds boring.

[NachtMystium]

Population has fluctuated on and off throughout the years. Nothing to see here. It's literally been the same scene for years on P99, just with different names. Lojik said it perfectly however, end-game isn't all what it's cracked up to be. It's cool to go to those end-game raiding zones/kill raid mobs the first few times, but after that it all just comes down to the people you know and friends you make. 1-54 is where it's at, roleplay more, re-prioritize what you think you want out of a classic EQ experience

[Pokesan]

Very entertaining thread. I'm killing CT, Statue, AoW, and Yelinak tonight, all at completely normal prime time hours, with nary a douchebag or a "line" or staring at any doors or skype streams to be seen. Non instanced, classic balance levels. And I can even bring two characters to it if I want.

Thursday I will kill every dragon in NToV below the twins and triplets. They go down on friday evening, and sunday we'll do the Vulak ring event. No races, no fraps, no "cheating".

And yet you guys STILL put up with this.

wanna buy jboot mq???

[smitho1984]

Sounds boring.

This we can all agree on, we don't want our mobs served up on a buffet line for us. Aftermath and Awakened might not always get along but at least we get to play the game in a competitive environment which keeps it interesting and ever-changing. Instanced raiding is like every team getting a trophy win or lose, you snowflakes can have it.
#Above It

[Heebs13]

This we can all agree on, we don't want our mobs served up on a buffet line for us. Aftermath and Awakened might not always get along but at least we get to play the game in a competitive environment which keeps it interesting and ever-changing. Instanced raiding is like every team getting a trophy win or lose, you snowflakes can have it.
#Above It

Didn't he say his server was non-instanced?

[Legday]

This we can all agree on, we don't want our mobs served up on a buffet line for us. Aftermath and Awakened might not always get along but at least we get to play the game in a competitive environment which keeps it interesting and ever-changing. Instanced raiding is like every team getting a trophy win or lose, you snowflakes can have it.
#Above It

Amen.

[Valakut]

This we can all agree on, we don't want our mobs served up on a buffet line for us. Aftermath and Awakened might not always get along but at least we get to play the game in a competitive environment which keeps it interesting and ever-changing. Instanced raiding is like every team getting a trophy win or lose, you snowflakes can have it.
#Above It
because it's been the same exact fight mechanics for a dozen fights for the last 17 years?

how long before you try something other than missionary?

[smitho1984]

If P99 is missionary, then instanced raiding is a cold handy.

[Mistle]

I said non instanced you mongoloid.

[Heebs13]

I said non instanced you mongoloid.

Don't try to take this away from them; they need a way to feel better than other people.

[Cazador64]

While not as many players the community is much better on p2002 also I enjoy boxing for p2002 works for me. We are currently in Luclin and will continue to POP. And just for the record I visit forums for many games I do not play anymore. I Have not played EVE online in 3 years I will visit the forums few times a month like I do here drop a shameless plug for my new favorite server.

[Cazador64]

Hahaha

+1

Cept p99 isn't missionary it is more like federal pound me in the ass prison.

[loramin]

Cept p99 isn't missionary it is more like federal pound me in the ass prison.

:rolleyes:

[Papa]

Hm I only see one guild suspended for alt tabbing Breaken. Wonder why that is. Oh that's right that s because I tried to get you to agree to stop doing it but you wouldn't because it was raking in those big old kill lists you like to post.

If you had any integrity you'd have agreed to stop before it was petitioned but you didn't and you got hit for it.

Should I post the chats I have if your leadership KNOWING Hjial was past the line, admitting it to multiple people in your leadership and then the same people saying to kill it anyways? Yea I think I will.

In before "we didn't stop cause we thought you wouldn't stop but even when asked to see fraps of AM being accused of alt tabbing and being 100% legit, we still think you would continue!"

Get a grip Breaken, you're literally delusional.

qfp (posterity)

[Kesselring]

They said the same thing about Velious

to be fair it had hit 1600 a couple times. And that's just what I've noticed. I'm sure on the holidays with the 25%/50% exp there were maybe more on at peek hours.

[Daldaen]

If P99 is missionary, then instanced raiding is a cold handy.

If you're going to come to P99 RNF you cannot use a sex metaphor to explain something to Neckbeards. You may as well be speaking Russian to them.

Use something that's tangible and they will understand. Like a raid mob spawning in the first 10 minutes rather than staring at a wall for 15 hours waiting for it to spawn. Or the pros-cons of Taco Bell vs McDonalds.

[derpcake]

the great thing about all these communities is that the number of exceptionally special players tends to overtake the number of normal people as time passes

in the end only the finest remain

[Nommis]

the great thing about all these communities is that the number of exceptionally special players tends to overtake the number of normal people as time passes

in the end only the finest remain
Reverse evolution, survival of the less fit.

[JurisDictum]

This we can all agree on, we don't want our mobs served up on a buffet line for us. Aftermath and Awakened might not always get along but at least we get to play the game in a competitive environment which keeps it interesting and ever-changing. Instanced raiding is like every team getting a trophy win or lose, you snowflakes can have it.
#Above It

You guys stare at walls for hours straight.

I mean... your staring at fucking walls getting ready to run forward

Most people that mentally stable think that is boring.

[Heebs13]

Reverse evolution, survival of the less fit.

Only the neckbeardiest of the neckbeards can survive!