Rant: Elder Holgresh Beads are a bad item

[Spyder73]

/RANT on

Ok, so this items price really grinds my gears and triggers me into rage. Why in the name of sweet clean baby Quellious would anyone pay 140k for Elder Holgresh Beads? This is EC fat cat manipulation at its finest/worst. This is - at best - a 50k item. I get that they don't drop anymore. I had 2 pair of these retarded beads on my Monk and Necromancer and I have found ONE use for them. ONE USE IN ALL OF EQ besides some stupid SUPER niche situation that will happen to someone maybe a handful of times in their ENTIRE EQ EXPERIENCE.(more on this later, but SPOILER, It's pulling HoT)

So Singing Steel Helm has the exact same effect as the beads and sell for 2k. "But Spyder - Bards can't Feign Death and the eye is a powerful tool when coupled with FD".
Is it? Is it really? more on this later

Stalking probes cost 2pp - You can literally buy a rechargeable item that has the exact same effect as beads for 2pp. Bag space? Convenience? Set 5k aside and you have stalking probes for the next 10 years. Am I the only one who thinks this sh!t is crazy?

This item has 0 value to anyone but monks - Don't give me any sh!t about Necromancers needing this.

1) Necros can not use this with a pet or charm up

2) Necro FD is trash compared to monk and Necros pull....never?

3) Necro skeleton pet is essentially THE EXACT SAME THING AS THE F#CKING EYE FOR PULLING IF YOU ARE RETARDED ENOUGH TO PULL ON A NECRO

4) Raid wipes are not a viable options to cast the eye and tap off of. Just get a shaman regen or HEY WAIT - SPEND THE 140K ON Z HEART THAT IS ACTUALLY USEFUL. Raid wipe. RAID WIPE!!! RAID WIPE??? 70+ PEOPLE. YOU DONT NEED TO TAP THE F#CKING EYE YOU HAVE 70 FRIENDS WITH YOU.

5) The eye takes FOREVER to cast and last minimal up time.

6) Do not tell me you hammer off the eye - no one hammers off the eye - if you are hammering off the eye you are full retard. "But Im stuck in the middle of some zone because I DC'd or some other weird and unlikely bull sh!t happened". USE YOUR GD WC CAP THEN YOU POS.

The ONLY viable reason for the Holgresh Beads not to be destroyed upon being looted is if you are a monk who pulls HoT. Halls of Testing is the ONLY ZONE IN THE ENTIRE GAME where you need the beads to pull/break spawns. So basically every guild that does HoT needs 1 pair of beads to help start breaking the spawn and then you don't even need the god d@mn things anymore. A VERY fringe camp where I can see them being useful is Chef in Sebelis. VERY FRINGE

I have a 60 monk and a 58 necromancer that I have used this item with. These beads are the biggest pain in the ass to use and provide minimal to NO value. WHY CAN NO ONE SEE THEY ARE BEING TRICKED. OPEN YOUR EYES BEFORE THE EC FAT CATS STEAL ALL YOU PLAT.

If your only comeback is "they don't drop anymore so they need to be worth a lot of money" then I say to you sir GOOD DAY

/RANT off

[Legday]

Eye think they're pretty sweet.

[Spyder73]

Oh and I didn't even mention the MASSSIVE agro radius the stupid eye has that makes the item more of a liability than an asset in most zones

[Pokesan]

dps monks don't need beads =)

[Naethyn]

Pulling hole on my ranger is def easier with eye. Don't have to run back to the group.

[RedXIII]

dps monks don't need beads =)

/thread

[Papa]

if you think it's a p useless item, why do you care what it costs

[Emmin]

Can stalking probes be used to pull HoT instead of beads?

[Spyder73]

if you think it's a p useless item, why do you care what it costs

Because it is EC fat cat market manipulation to enslave the common man into servitude of "EC CORP". I have never once heard a compelling argument to why this particular item is worth so much.

Also thought RnF could use an actual P99 related thread

[Zemus]

Can't think of 1 place where training away mobs can be useful?

Wow, bad monk. Just bad.

[Krashin]

As someone who has a 60 monk and 60 necro, they are a crutch for sure, but I won't be getting rid of either of my pairs anytime soon.

There are a lot of neat tricks you can do with beads, granted the same can be done with stalking probes, but as a main monk my bag space is limited and I carry 7 10 slots. And as a necro and a American I'm too lazy not to have a set of beads.

[Spyder73]

Can't think of 1 place where training away mobs can be useful?

Wow, bad monk. Just bad.

Your lack of examples proves my point

[kotton05]

I know a bunch of secrets that involve using the eye. I've not seen one mentioned. Feels good that y'all are playing a diff game than me.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Can I have your stuff?

[kotton05]

As someone who has a 60 monk and 60 necro, they are a crutch for sure, but I won't be getting rid of either of my pairs anytime soon.

There are a lot of neat tricks you can do with beads, granted the same can be done with stalking probes, but as a main monk my bag space is limited and I carry 7 10 slots. And as a necro and a American I'm too lazy not to have a set of beads.

Words word words!

[Zemus]

Your lack of examples proves my point

1. Pull inny/hate mini's from ramp to 2nd floor through the walls.
2. Train away PoZ's to farm arena in Kael with low numbers
3. Pull Helsia in Sirens Grotto.
4. Farm rats in DN at the church
5. BM duo in velks
6. Pull out of the fire ring in fear

I've done a lot with them. Think for yourself.

[kotton05]

Those are all basic as fuck tho^

[Freakish]

It's true, they're horrible. Sell yours now before the crash.

[Zemus]

Those are all basic as fuck tho^

True lots of fun shit to do, especially if you add a Larrikan's mask. Just trying to provide a way forward for mr. tu`wang.

[Rivera]

Is this thread fucking serious?

[nyclin]

No, and neither is OP.

You're reading another shit manifesto from one of the most useless motherfuckers to ever try to play a monk on this server. And by try to play, I mean FD in corner in TOV all weekend to scam his way on to DKP logs, cheating his guildmates while simultaneously embarrassing them with cringeworthy forum post after forum post.

This turd literally never pulled anything. No wonder he has no idea how to use beads.

https://i.imgur.com/vIaBs.jpg

[Spyder73]

No, and neither is OP.

You're reading another shit manifesto from one of the most useless motherfuckers to ever try to play a monk on this server. And by try to play, I mean FD in corner in TOV all weekend to scam his way on to DKP logs, cheating his guildmates while simultaneously embarrassing them with cringeworthy forum post after forum post.

This turd literally never pulled anything. No wonder he has no idea how to use beads.

[Rivera]

No, and neither is OP.

You're reading another shit manifesto from one of the most useless motherfuckers to ever try to play a monk on this server. And by try to play, I mean FD in corner in TOV all weekend to scam his way on to DKP logs, cheating his guildmates while simultaneously embarrassing them with cringeworthy forum post after forum post.

This turd literally never pulled anything. No wonder he has no idea how to use beads.

:eek:

[Pokesan]

https://i.imgur.com/vIaBs.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vIaBs.jpg

[Mead]

No, and neither is OP.

You're reading another shit manifesto from one of the most useless motherfuckers to ever try to play a monk on this server.

Can close up this thread now

[dafier]

If there is any Monk out there that can validate this, it's Chest.

Chest, where are you brother?

[Jaxon]

Open your logs and count how many times the following phrase appears:

"Your Holgresh Elder Beads begins to glow."

If the answer is < 30,000 and you bought your beads you got ripped off.

[Phenyo]

/RANT on

Ok, so this items price really grinds my gears and triggers me into rage. Why in the name of sweet clean baby Quellious would anyone pay 140k for Elder Holgresh Beads? This is EC fat cat manipulation at its finest/worst. This is - at best - a 50k item. I get that they don't drop anymore. I had 2 pair of these retarded beads on my Monk and Necromancer and I have found ONE use for them. ONE USE IN ALL OF EQ besides some stupid SUPER niche situation that will happen to someone maybe a handful of times in their ENTIRE EQ EXPERIENCE.(more on this later, but SPOILER, It's pulling HoT)

So Singing Steel Helm has the exact same effect as the beads and sell for 2k. "But Spyder - Bards can't Feign Death and the eye is a powerful tool when coupled with FD".
Is it? Is it really? more on this later

Stalking probes cost 2pp - You can literally buy a rechargeable item that has the exact same effect as beads for 2pp. Bag space? Convenience? Set 5k aside and you have stalking probes for the next 10 years. Am I the only one who thinks this sh!t is crazy?

This item has 0 value to anyone but monks - Don't give me any sh!t about Necromancers needing this.

1) Necros can not use this with a pet or charm up

2) Necro FD is trash compared to monk and Necros pull....never?

3) Necro skeleton pet is essentially THE EXACT SAME THING AS THE F#CKING EYE FOR PULLING IF YOU ARE RETARDED ENOUGH TO PULL ON A NECRO

4) Raid wipes are not a viable options to cast the eye and tap off of. Just get a shaman regen or HEY WAIT - SPEND THE 140K ON Z HEART THAT IS ACTUALLY USEFUL. Raid wipe. RAID WIPE!!! RAID WIPE??? 70+ PEOPLE. YOU DONT NEED TO TAP THE F#CKING EYE YOU HAVE 70 FRIENDS WITH YOU.

5) The eye takes FOREVER to cast and last minimal up time.

6) Do not tell me you hammer off the eye - no one hammers off the eye - if you are hammering off the eye you are full retard. "But Im stuck in the middle of some zone because I DC'd or some other weird and unlikely bull sh!t happened". USE YOUR GD WC CAP THEN YOU POS.

The ONLY viable reason for the Holgresh Beads not to be destroyed upon being looted is if you are a monk who pulls HoT. Halls of Testing is the ONLY ZONE IN THE ENTIRE GAME where you need the beads to pull/break spawns. So basically every guild that does HoT needs 1 pair of beads to help start breaking the spawn and then you don't even need the god d@mn things anymore. A VERY fringe camp where I can see them being useful is Chef in Sebelis. VERY FRINGE

I have a 60 monk and a 58 necromancer that I have used this item with. These beads are the biggest pain in the ass to use and provide minimal to NO value. WHY CAN NO ONE SEE THEY ARE BEING TRICKED. OPEN YOUR EYES BEFORE THE EC FAT CATS STEAL ALL YOU PLAT.

If your only comeback is "they don't drop anymore so they need to be worth a lot of money" then I say to you sir GOOD DAY

/RANT off




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[Cecily]

Open your logs and count how many times the following phrase appears:

"Your Holgresh Elder Beads begins to glow."

If the answer is < 30,000 and you bought your beads you got ripped off.

I've used it like 5 times on my ranger. Mostly derping around with the eye in EC tunnel.

[aaezil]

lol gotta love posts by uniformed noobs

[Spyder73]

lol gotta love posts by uniformed noobs

Hit me with some knowledge then sh!t bum - why is this item worthy of 100k - 140k price tag

Lots of salad and not much meat in this thread

[Cecily]

You're trying to troll people into giving you pro-strats. Please stop teaching or otherwise giving these DPS monks advice so we can laugh at them forever. Thanks.

[Jimjam]

Very fringe example, but eyes are helpful for pulling the spectral knights area in KC to the hands camp. Saves a lot of running around, and adds 5 more level 50 mobs that can be easily pulled without need for a key or similar shenanigans.

I've also regularly found myself hammering off eyes on my wizard (not beads though).

I don't play a good monk or necro though, so I have no idea how to get even 5k of value out of these things.

Whats the efficiency of reclaim energy? This thread has made me want to get my baby magician a clay bracelet so I can weave eye of zomm with reclaim energy for infinite mana. Why would a magician want to use a real pet anyway? :P

[Izmael]

Hit me with some knowledge then sh!t bum - why is this item worthy of 100k - 140k price tag



Because of the supply / demand.

Also people use them to proc avatar all the time.

If you are happy with stalking probes - by all means, use the probes.

[Triiz]

The EC manipulation is funny to watch. At least with beads, pendants, etc are limited to a set number with no possibility of future supply, unlike 99% of other items in this game that should only go down in price, but somehow get manipulated up.

A recent example, although it's a lot cheaper item, is Spider Fur belt. It was a ~1k item for months, now suddenly it's 3-4k. Did the demand suddenly skyrocket? Nope. Did the drop rate get nerfed? Nope. It was just some guy spamming "WTS spider fur belt 3k" everyday until other people followed suit, then the same guy started with "WTS spider fur belt 5k" auctions.

[Izmael]

Maybe it simply was an undervalued item? Then people realized that it's a very decent twink belt that isn't that trivial to loot?

[Maner]

Maybe it simply was an undervalued item? Then people realized that it's a very decent twink belt that isn't that trivial to loot?

40hp on a belt slot with 0.1wt... sounds like 3-5k to me

[Baler]

I wish I had farmed these when I had the chance. I guess I just never wanted to be 'that guy'. But the fat plat you can get from the pre-nerf is bonkers. Them and torpor are utterly ridiculous in price.

[azeth]

op is mad loser who doesnt have a bead per alt

[aaezil]

The EC manipulation is funny to watch. At least with beads, pendants, etc are limited to a set number with no possibility of future supply, unlike 99% of other items in this game that should only go down in price, but somehow get manipulated up.

A recent example, although it's a lot cheaper item, is Spider Fur belt. It was a ~1k item for months, now suddenly it's 3-4k. Did the demand suddenly skyrocket? Nope. Did the drop rate get nerfed? Nope. It was just some guy spamming "WTS spider fur belt 3k" everyday until other people followed suit, then the same guy started with "WTS spider fur belt 5k" auctions.


The flaw with your logic is there is constantly more and more plat being pumped into players every minute the server is up. People never lose plat over time unless they constantly make very very bad trade deals. The average amount of plat or items worth plat any player has always only goes up. So people can get away with charging more.

[Triiz]

The flaw with your logic is there is constantly more and more plat being pumped into players every minute the server is up. People never lose plat over time unless they constantly make very very bad trade deals. The average amount of plat or items worth plat any player has always only goes up. So people can get away with charging more.

So spider fur belt was worth 200-300% more over a period of a couple weeks because there is always plat being generated? If that's the case, then shimmering terror hide cloak which drops in same zone/area should have also seen a large increase, it didn't.

When P99auctions opened, the price of a lot of items started dropping quickly. As soon as the tunnel fat cats hacked it into shutting down, prices on all of those items began to rise again. I doubt that's coincidence, and I would guess that's the same reason why they already attempted to shut down p99tunnel.com

The flaw in my logic was trying to apply logic to an elf pixel market that's mostly arbitrary and thrives on a lack of information available to the buyers.

[Maner]

So spider fur belt was worth 200-300% more over a period of a couple weeks because there is always plat being generated? If that's the case, then shimmering terror hide cloak which drops in same zone/area should have also seen a large increase, it didn't.

When P99auctions opened, the price of a lot of items started dropping quickly. As soon as the tunnel fat cats hacked it into shutting down, prices on all of those items began to rise again. I doubt that's coincidence, and I would guess that's the same reason why they already attempted to shut down p99tunnel.com

The flaw in my logic was trying to apply logic to an elf pixel market that's mostly arbitrary and thrives on a lack of information available to the buyers.

the stats on the belt are much better than the cloak, and there are better cloaks already available. Belt slots always seems to be lacking. the flaw is how you're trying to compare items.

[Triiz]

the stats on the belt are much better than the cloak, and there are better cloaks already available. Belt slots always seems to be lacking. the flaw is how you're trying to compare items.

What item would you compare? It just doesn't seem probable to me that a bunch of people just realized Spider Fur Belt was a good twink item a few months into 2017. If the demand suddenly skyrocketed I don't think the guy would have been auctioning "WTS Spider Fur Belt 3k" everyday while everyone else was asking at least half that.

Are you disagreeing that EC prices are frequently successfully manipulated or are you just disagreeing on this specific item?

[Comoc1]

If I used a wc cap instead of hammering every time I needed to get outta the ToV ent I could just buy beads with the cost of recharges

[nyclin]

https://i.imgur.com/vIaBs.jpg

What item would you compare? It just doesn't seem probable to me that a bunch of people just realized Spider Fur Belt was a good twink item a few months into 2017. If the demand suddenly skyrocketed I don't think the guy would have been auctioning "WTS Spider Fur Belt 3k" everyday while everyone else was asking at least half that.

Are you disagreeing that EC prices are frequently successfully manipulated or are you just disagreeing on this specific item?

spider fur belt is one of the best droppable belts in the game for melees with desirable stats and +40 hp, esp. for monks as its 0.1 weight

closest comparisons would be white wolf-hide girdle or silken cat fur girdle, which sell for about 4-6k.. go figure

[nyclin]

not sure why my image post got quoted in there but w/e

[Maner]

What item would you compare? It just doesn't seem probable to me that a bunch of people just realized Spider Fur Belt was a good twink item a few months into 2017. If the demand suddenly skyrocketed I don't think the guy would have been auctioning "WTS Spider Fur Belt 3k" everyday while everyone else was asking at least half that.

Are you disagreeing that EC prices are frequently successfully manipulated or are you just disagreeing on this specific item?

Mostly about this specific item. EC prices always fluctuate, a fungi was 70k 1.5 years ago and is steadily going up again.

[burkemi5]

They used to be more useful was FD/ sneak was OP. You could single pull and break any camp, including casters, super easily.

[Maner]

you realize you can summon an eye then FD and use it to move everything out of your way when pulling right?

The biggest example of this is kael if you dont want to kill PoZs

[Mockba1980]

I am surprised that people do not know the huge potential of this object and the multiple things which we can make with. Tekilya you should take advice with your guildmates instead of making a fool of you.

[Detoxx]

Necros make better use of these than monks hands down. Free soulwell lifetap. Its invaluable.

[Mockba1980]

Necros make better use of these than monks hands down. Free soulwell lifetap. Its invaluable.

I agree ! My birthday is soon Detoxx go buy one beads for me please :D

[Skew]

Have beads on Rogue. Worth 140k to proc Avatar on before raid.
Scrubs.

[Rygar]

I approve of this thread, not because Beads are useless... they are highly valuable. I approve because Holgresh Elder Beads make EverQuest easy mode. Monks become so dependent on these they don't even want to face pull singles anymore.

Originally Eye of Zomm was nerfed in Kedge to prevent exploits (would warp to Phinny's room, and agro Phinny, and Phinny would warp to zone solo). Funny how this was seen as too easy so nerfed, yet monks pulling mobs all day solo without getting beat on is seen as just fine and dandy (pulling is one of the main mechanics in grouping and raiding, sad to see it exploited like this).

I found this post on monkly business:
http://monklybusiness43508.yuku.com/topic/793/A-guide-to-Holgresh-Elder-Beads-amp-Eye-of-Zomm#.WSgSQevytpg

Found it hilarious they mention it sells for 1.5-2k in the tunnel (since people at the time weren't aware of the utility it brought monks), but monks fully expected a nerf to be made to make these wearable to equip.

If I had my way, when custom content rolls around, I wish they would make Eye of Zomm non-agro. Just make it for its original (I believe) intended purpose: A scouting tool.

We play EQ to re-live the glory days of a harder MMO that wasn't easy mode. To date, there are 7 main things in my mind that stick out that make P99 too easy for players and prevent that original 'EQ' experience:

1) Holgresh Elder Beads - explanation above, make non-agro please
2) Insta-Click agro items - Tanking shouldn't be dump a mallet / everyone engage / watch netflix
3) Recharging Items - would endorse this as custom content if there was a deadicated recharge quest for certain items, but not as it currently stands (Sally McVendor who sells muffins shouldn't have the magical knowledge to add charges to my Root Nets)
4) Fungi Tunic - Classic, but far too powerful on a server locked in our era. Shouldn't be BiS from a camp in Seb
5) Training mobs to entrance - Should implement call of the zero on boss mobs (maybe a 10-15sec summon delay to allow a mob to be pulled to a nearby area, but not to the zone). VP should be re-done too to not allow training all around (may need to adjust trash mob difficulty / respawn rates to compensate)
6) Soulfires / Reaper of the Dead - make Paladin / SK only, too much meta revolving around these in the raid scene
7) Wort Pots - again too much meta around these, heard they nerfed during later era to make a charge give you a buff that couldn't be clicked off, so couldn't use another charge until it wore off. Sounds much better.

#MakeP99GreatAgain

[Spyder73]

1) the thread is about the price of elder beads not how useful they are (although I contend there is very little a monk does with them that can not be do without)

2) Eye of Zomm is available to many classes and on other items than Elder Beads

3) I still think this item is the biggest waste of money on P99 by a LARGE AND SUBSTANTIAL MARGIN

[Mockba1980]

This item has 0 value to anyone but monks - Don't give me any sh!t about Necromancers needing this.


6) Do not tell me you hammer off the eye - no one hammers off the eye - if you are hammering off the eye you are full retard. "But Im stuck in the middle of some zone because I DC'd or some other weird and unlikely bull sh!t happened". USE YOUR GD WC CAP THEN YOU POS.


You are just ignorant for writing this stuff dude.

Detoxx should takes few minutes to explain you stuff

[Spyder73]

I have never once found myself in a situation where I need to hammer of an Eye of Zomm and I have had them on my monk since a couple of weeks into Velious

[kotton05]

Roses are red.
violets are blue.
elder beads have many uses.
none of which you do.

[Mockba1980]

I have never once found myself in a situation where I need to hammer of an Eye of Zomm and I have had them on my monk since a couple of weeks into Velious

Did you ever go to VP ? did you ever see a Necro with VP staff ? when you will think about it, (Maybe) you will understand how beads are ubah for necro and for others class as well.

[Spyder73]

Necros make better use of these than monks hands down. Free soulwell lifetap. Its invaluable.

Again - the lack of being able to do this with a pet up basically reduces this tactic to raid wipes. If I can just tap an Eye at will while charming that's one thing, but you can't... And I would not say its invaluable, I would put a price on it - that price being 2pp for a probe charge.

[Spyder73]

Did you ever go to VP ? did you ever see a Necro with VP staff ? when you will think about it, (Maybe) you will understand how beads are ubah for necro and for others class as well.

Did you ever go to VP ? did you ever see a Necro with VP staff ? when you will think about it, (Maybe) you will understand how beads are ubah for necro and for others class as well.

I understand your point - I just think its fucking stupid because the situation you are describing doesn't happen.

So your contention is this item is worth 140k because Necromancers with the VP staff can heal themselves with it for free - so they can stay in lich and pump mana harder after raid wipe (cause that's the only time you don't have a pet)?

My contention is that a necromancer with a Z heart in a Bard group is already gaining net positive life so Soulwelling off a 10 second cast Eye of Zomm is retarded and a rarity. Elder Beads and Z Heart cost about the same these days - which is the better investment?

Again - I am concerned about the price of this item not its value (or non value) and I am also stoaking some debate in a dead forum that only talks about Agnarr and BDA so some of you neckbearded fgts really need to come down off your high horse and stop getting so cucky about content actually related to P99... I might add no one has really said sh!t to make me feel Elder Beads are still not terrible.

[Mockba1980]

I understand your point - I just think its fucking stupid because the situation you are describing doesn't happen.



It doesn't happen if you are in zerg guild, but when you are raiding with 30-40 peeps max (aka Rustle guild) Beads is like essential items.

[Mockba1980]

After that, I agree it is overpriced, but everything is overpriced on P99.

We have to deal with it, farming stuff getting money for stuff like that

[radda]

Op, you are so damn retarded mate

[Vianna]

Again - the lack of being able to do this with a pet up basically reduces this tactic to raid wipes. If I can just tap an Eye at will while charming that's one thing, but you can't... And I would not say its invaluable, I would put a price on it - that price being 2pp for a probe charge.

No when you are charming and low mana you simply break your pet and use it to refill mana. You must be new to this game.

[kotton05]

Op, you are so damn retarded mate

Hey now around here we use the word moran

[radda]

Hey now around here we use the word moran

Shut up pleb

[kotton05]

Much better^

[Krashin]

When I raid on my necro... 90% of the time no pet...also with a willsapper how am I supposed to carry a Z heart? I'm easily confused

[Spyder73]

No when you are charming and low mana you simply break your pet and use it to refill mana. You must be new to this game.

1) I would guarantee I am 100x the necromancer that you are

2) what you are saying doesn't even make sense

3) If you are out charm killing why would you put DPS(vexing) on the eye when you could be damaging the mob?

[kotton05]

1) I would guarantee I am 100x the necromancer that you are

2) what you are saying doesn't even make sense

3) If you are out charm killing why would you put DPS(vexing) on the eye when you could be damaging the mob?

It's only a right click on your eye, mana free, makes perfect sense. Unless you don't have the vp staff which means your -100x the necro vianna is.

[FatMice]

It's only a right click on your eye, mana free, makes perfect sense. Unless you don't have the vp staff which means your -100x the necro vianna is.

pwned.

[Spyder73]

So every argument with this seems to be retreating back to the synergy of Soulwell and Eye of Zomm. I agree! The Shissar Deathspeaker Staff is great! But why the fuck do you need to use it on the Eye of Zomm and not the mobs you are killing if you are out charming Kotton05?

[kotton05]

So every argument with this seems to be retreating back to the synergy of Soulwell and Eye of Zomm. I agree! The Shissar Deathspeaker Staff is great! But why the fuck do you need to use it on the Eye of Zomm and not the mobs you are killing if you are out charming Kotton05?

It's an alternative to life tapping back up from your lich. Break pet ,root em ,dot them, then pop eye and use soulwell then let them die while you regen your HP back mana free so you're set for the next charm round.. that alone is worth the price

[kotton05]

Alternatively once your mobs are dead its your only option.

[Spyder73]

That seems like a very viable plan Kotton - Just not sure why you need to weave the Eye into the equation at all. You have a perfectly health mob sitting in front of you waiting to be targeted in lieu of the unnecessary Eye

[Spyder73]

Alternatively once your mobs are dead its your only option.

So we are back to weird and uncommon situations being the only use for the eye. Thank you

[Krashin]

That seems like a very viable plan Kotton - Just not sure why you need to weave the Eye into the equation at all. You have a perfectly health mob sitting in front of you waiting to be targeted in lieu of the unnecessary Eye


Obviously you don't raid on your necro at all... I would say that 90 % of the raid targets are so resistant that you will be in fact wasting mana on resists... it is known, well I guess it is known like you if you are a decent necro

[Spyder73]

Not sure how gaining life while fully raid buffed translates to more mana? Typically what I have seen in raids is necromancers twitching the Clerics and nothing more.

In the 1-3 minutes it takes to kill a dragon what is the benefit of using the tactic you are describing?

[Fasttimes]

Not sure how gaining life while fully raid buffed translates to more mana? Typically what I have seen in raids is necromancers twitching the Clerics and nothing more.

In the 1-3 minutes it takes to kill a dragon what is the benefit of using the tactic you are describing?

1-3 min for you we had like a 18min nev recently

[Freakish]

1-3 min for you we had like a 18min nev recently

Ha. I was the only necro there. Better believe I was clicking my eye. Had no buffs besides potg and wasn't going to go eat aoes trying to land a lifetap stick on Dragon.

[Krashin]

Not sure how gaining life while fully raid buffed translates to more mana? Typically what I have seen in raids is necromancers twitching the Clerics and nothing more.

In the 1-3 minutes it takes to kill a dragon what is the benefit of using the tactic you are describing?

What dragons short of VP are killed in 1-3 mins? When you don't zerg and you are one of say maybe 2-3 necros tops (this isn't BDA) you spread your mana around and constantly. Whether it is the one enchanter or the one of two shamans buffing the whole raid etc etc.. #notzergproblems

[Spyder73]

Well as guild leader of BDA I think you are retarded. When Chest and I were killing Dragons they never lived more than 1-3 minutes so you guys are just bad

[Cecily]

Wow killing NToV stuff in a minute sounds super fun.

[Spyder73]

Also not sure where this self entitlement comes from the ex-Rampage ex-IB ex-TMO sh!tlords who are all basically in <Rustle>. You guys track/sock just as much as A/A with the only difference being there is a large % chance you will wipe instead of kill the dragon.

[Fasttimes]

Also not sure where this self entitlement comes from the ex-Rampage ex-IB ex-TMO sh!tlords who are all basically in <Rustle>. You guys track/sock just as much as A/A with the only difference being there is a large % chance you will wipe instead of kill the dragon.

Went from holgresh beads to attacks against a guild. +5dkp per rustle poster. Thanks sir

[Spyder73]

Went from holgresh beads to attacks against a guild. +5dkp per rustle poster. Thanks sir

They both have many similarities - over rated and not very useful in actual game play

[Fasttimes]

They both have many similarities - over rated and not very useful in actual game play

Keep going tell us how you feel. I'm here for you.

[welly321]

They both have many similarities - over rated and not very useful in actual game play

rustled

[Krashin]

Also not sure where this self entitlement comes from the ex-Rampage ex-IB ex-TMO sh!tlords who are all basically in <Rustle>. You guys track/sock just as much as A/A with the only difference being there is a large % chance you will wipe instead of kill the dragon.

Yeah no thanks to you, we are one DPS monk short of succeeding. Or maybe its your sweet necro pet at level 58 or whatever your necro is. App Rustle today!

[originalman]

this life is a simulation. a "matricks". so why should i stick w my shitty birth gender

[Spyder73]

this life is a simulation. a "matricks". so why should i stick w my shitty birth gender

Well it was fun while it lasted - thanks for participating and think twice before you support the EC cartel is unloading their hordes of beads.

TLDR; Elder beads suck and no compelling evidence to the contrary was presented; Zerging; Spyder73 sucks; gender identity issues continue to plague the server

[Troxx]

Beads are not worth the price unless you're loaded and have nothing else to spend money on. For stuff that requires an eye to pull or those moments you might need to tap an eye, stalking probes fit the bill very cheaply.

Unless ... of course ... the bag space and convenience of not having to recharge stalking probes once in a blue moon is worth the 140k (fungi and a cloak of flames) to you that could otherwise be spent on other things.

[Bones]

yikes @ this thread

[branamil]

I just learned that people will pay a lot for items that no longer drop on a time locked progression server. Ruined my morning

[zati]

beads are actually worth more than 300k

[Maner]

I understand your point - I just think its fucking stupid because the situation you are describing doesn't happen.

So your contention is this item is worth 140k because Necromancers with the VP staff can heal themselves with it for free - so they can stay in lich and pump mana harder after raid wipe (cause that's the only time you don't have a pet)?

My contention is that a necromancer with a Z heart in a Bard group is already gaining net positive life so Soulwelling off a 10 second cast Eye of Zomm is retarded and a rarity. Elder Beads and Z Heart cost about the same these days - which is the better investment?

Again - I am concerned about the price of this item not its value (or non value) and I am also stoaking some debate in a dead forum that only talks about Agnarr and BDA so some of you neckbearded fgts really need to come down off your high horse and stop getting so cucky about content actually related to P99... I might add no one has really said sh!t to make me feel Elder Beads are still not terrible.

Starting to think you really are afk at every raid now. You clearly don't get it. How many necros use their pets in tov? How many bards usually shot up to an AM kill? Perhaps if you weren't afk the entire time and actually tried to do more than poor spa you would realize just how uninformed you look right now.

[Zemus]

Starting to think you really are afk at every raid now. You clearly don't get it. How many necros use their pets in tov? How many bards usually shot up to an AM kill? Perhaps if you weren't afk the entire time and actually tried to do more than poor spa you would realize just how uninformed you look right now.

Still better than SirYado *cringe* I must say I am impressed with your talent pool.

[Pokesan]

if spyder is really afking every raid hes a goddamn hero

[Sarl]

They both have many similarities - over rated and not very useful in actual game play

DAMMMMMM. 11/10 ll read again & again


To Hillwin :

You're so far behind SirYado in knowledge/usefullness as a monk.

Cause he's willing to try & learn. When you're stuck acting like a elistist cunt.

[Zemus]

DAMMMMMM. 11/10 ll read again & again


To Hillwin :

You're so far behind SirYado in knowledge/usefullness as a monk.

Cause he's willing to try & learn. When you're stuck acting like a elistist cunt.

You have to fix the person before you fix the player. sorry.

[nyclin]

beads are actually worth more than 300k

[Llodd]

Manna Robe + beads + staff

[maskedmelonpai]

You have to fix the person before you fix the player. sorry.

so what you need then? how we fix you? we here to help ^^

[Zemus]

so what you need then? how we fix you? we here to help ^^

Ah the the good old switcheroo!

[Fasttimes]

Ah the the good old switcheroo!

Hold my post count in going in

[maskedmelonpai]

i was pretty proud myself tbh (^。~)v

[Beastagoog]

if spyder is really afking every raid hes a goddamn hero

All heroes afk on raids in the corner.

[Beastagoog]

Let the plebs do the work on 18 year old eq

[Spyder73]

Starting to think you really are afk at every raid now. You clearly don't get it. How many necros use their pets in tov? How many bards usually shot up to an AM kill? Perhaps if you weren't afk the entire time and actually tried to do more than poor spa you would realize just how uninformed you look right now.

So the price of an item for the entire server should be based on the 10 necromancers who raid ToV - gotcha - also maybe go outside and get some sunshine or more drugs cause you're being a huge salty douche in every post I read

[Maner]

So the price of an item for the entire server should be based on the 10 necromancers who raid ToV - gotcha - also maybe go outside and get some sunshine or more drugs cause you're being a huge salty douche in every post I read

I actually posted this from the park during my lunch hour... Now i am back at work.

This is RnF right? to me it really sounds like you're the one who is salty here though. Salty that you don't have beads maybe? I personally camped 7 pairs when they still dropped, and still have 3 of them, if you want i will sell you one for 300k.

The only people who don't realize their value are the people who don't have a pair.

[nyclin]

So the price of an item for the entire server should be based on the 10 necromancers who raid ToV - gotcha - also maybe go outside and get some sunshine or more drugs cause you're being a huge salty douche in every post I read

lets move back to the topic at hand: you afking at raids

how much dkp would you say you've earned while afk, spyder73?

[Spyder73]

I had 2 pair and sold one - I love all my elf bros though, includiing you mr maners - didnt realize this would be such a hot button topic - I think they are grossly over priced is my issue.

50k item at best

[maskedmelonpai]

so these beads, they liek used for exploring new things? they not liek roasary beads, right? i guess what i mean to ask is, what kinda beads are they? how they work? what you do with them?

[Spyder73]

lets move back to the topic at hand: you afking at raids

how much dkp would you say you've earned while afk, spyder73?

I dont raid - Have been to maybe 10 raids in 18 months - I play P99 to level alts and enjoy the none raid zones

[Cecily]

The only people who don't realize their value are the people who don't have a pair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8GR0KDYtNQ

[schnickusaurus]

140k is not right value. 175k is. In one year its 220-250k
Im always right, thats why i still have 8x of them with a buy price @30k per bead.
I never farmed a single one of them, i bought low and will resell once the price hits 350k.
My plan to stop resell and just sit down n relax while my items grow over time has worked perfectly well so far :)

Spyder noone answered your question. Let me do it:
The beads are so high cuz markets are forward looking.
In future this server will loose 95% of the population for blue 2.
The 5% remaining here will stay for raiding purposes and the main removables to use then would be the beads, and possibly pendants unless they nerf sirens, along with Seaworthy plank. Beads have greatest use of them 3 however all are winners on this server, like myself who just reached a 3.5-4 million value plat due to mainly the beads price increase ^^

[Spyder73]

140k is not right value. 175k is. In one year its 220-250k
Im always right, thats why i still have 8x of them with a buy price @30k per bead.
I never farmed a single one of them, i bought low and will resell once the price hits 350k.
My plan to stop resell and just sit down n relax while my items grow over time has worked perfectly well so far :)

Spyder noone answered your question. Let me do it:
The beads are so high cuz markets are forward looking.
In future this server will loose 95% of the population for blue 2.
The 5% remaining here will stay for raiding purposes and the main removables to use then would be the beads, and possibly pendants unless they nerf sirens, along with Seaworthy plank. Beads have greatest use of them 3 however all are winners on this server, like myself who just reached a 3.5-4 million value plat due to mainly the beads price increase ^^

This my friends is the entire bait of the thread - EC fat cat #1 here confirming how he is bilking the server. DO NOT LET THIS FGT WIN

[Skew]

Spyder = Drulok?

He died for our sins.

[nyclin]

beads are actually worth more than 300k

[mickmoranis]

OK quick question..

If you can buy probes, then why do you care how much it costs?

[radda]

Give it a rest op,

[radda]

36mafia> wutang

[mickmoranis]

This thread reminds me of a kid who couldnt afford spider man #1 blaming the universe.

[skarlorn]

Sad to say this is the best rnf thread here in a minute

We got big problems

[radda]

Sad to say this is the best rnf thread here in a minute

We got big problems

What about my caiu thread?

[nyclin]

need some raiding guild drama

csg/hydra/whoever please post your dirty laundry, tia

[Rivera]

140k is not right value. 175k is. In one year its 220-250k
Im always right, thats why i still have 8x of them with a buy price @30k per bead.
I never farmed a single one of them, i bought low and will resell once the price hits 350k.
My plan to stop resell and just sit down n relax while my items grow over time has worked perfectly well so far :)

Spyder noone answered your question. Let me do it:
The beads are so high cuz markets are forward looking.
In future this server will loose 95% of the population for blue 2.
The 5% remaining here will stay for raiding purposes and the main removables to use then would be the beads, and possibly pendants unless they nerf sirens, along with Seaworthy plank. Beads have greatest use of them 3 however all are winners on this server, like myself who just reached a 3.5-4 million value plat due to mainly the beads price increase ^^ Even though troll thread, good post.

[Detoxx]

So the price of an item for the entire server should be based on the 10 necromancers who raid ToV - gotcha - also maybe go outside and get some sunshine or more drugs cause you're being a huge salty douche in every post I read

You seem mad you cannot afford this abundantly useful item for your monk, therefore you must hate the ktem and pretend it sucks

#poormonkproblems

[Detoxx]

need some raiding guild drama

csg/hydra/whoever please post your dirty laundry, tia

No dirty laundry to post when your biggest successes are killing Inny and Maestro.

[Phenyo]

No dirty laundry to post when your biggest successes are killing Inny and Maestro.

http://i.imgur.com/vuONqfJ.jpg

[kotton05]

Poormonkproblems can be solved with stalking probes.

[Phantasm]

There's only like a trillion plat on blue.

If 150k matters to you I feel bad for you son.

Also if as a MONK/NECRO class combo you can't figure out how to make beads do the work for you...

Human monks, what do you expect I guess

[Ravager]

140k is not right value. 175k is. In one year its 220-250k
Im always right, thats why i still have 8x of them with a buy price @30k per bead.
I never farmed a single one of them, i bought low and will resell once the price hits 350k.
My plan to stop resell and just sit down n relax while my items grow over time has worked perfectly well so far :)

Spyder noone answered your question. Let me do it:
The beads are so high cuz markets are forward looking.
In future this server will loose 95% of the population for blue 2.
The 5% remaining here will stay for raiding purposes and the main removables to use then would be the beads, and possibly pendants unless they nerf sirens, along with Seaworthy plank. Beads have greatest use of them 3 however all are winners on this server, like myself who just reached a 3.5-4 million value plat due to mainly the beads price increase ^^

Bead values are about to tank with the new blue recycle server. Sell all of yours to me for 50k each while you can still make a profit.

[Merekai]

sofa king we todd did

[Jaxon]

need some raiding guild drama

csg/hydra/whoever please post your dirty laundry, tia

You haven't been keeping up with the sky thread?

[Tiggles]

Got beads on both my rogues on red and blue unless they got (((Derubealed)))

[Ravager]

you got a date on that chief? didn't think so.

This idiot doesn't see that I was mocking the other idiot.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269842&highlight=manastone

Stick to shitty gifs, Swish.

[Izmael]

why is this even a topic

[schnickusaurus]

This idiot doesn't see that I was mocking the other idiot.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269842&highlight=manastone

Stick to shitty gifs, Swish.

hahaha :) i obviously low-balled/resold higher this dude one too many. The fool is stalking my EC plat profits . Sorry to say messiur but it seems to me that between me, you and Swish, you would definitely be the idiot . /salute

[Triiz]

Wrapped Entropy Serpent Spine now being auctioned for 5-7k. Coincidentally, wiki shows the price driven up by Doncaldor, the same guy as Spider Fur Belts.

Must be another one of those super-undervalued-until-this-month twink items that no one but Doncaldor knew the true worth of. WTS Venomous Axe of Velium Brood 100k, very under valued twink item.

[Ravager]

hahaha :) i obviously low-balled/resold higher this dude one too many. The fool is stalking my EC plat profits . Sorry to say messiur but it seems to me that between me, you and Swish, you would definitely be the idiot . /salute

It's unlikely I ever dealt with you at all since I bother with EC maybe once per year if I want to twink an alt.

Who's the idiot? The guy grinding EC for years on end to make millions of plat to impress internet strangers? Or the guy who plays the game like it's just a game and still managed to accumulate millions of plat worth of items without breaking sweat over it?

Of the three of us, I'm not the one who posts here everyday about my EC accomplishments or how important I am on this server.

As far as the EC forum goes, I'm just making better offers in case there is anyone stupid enough to sell to you so low. If I'm a fool for that, you must be a total assclown.

[Jimjam]

Now, now gents. No need to fight over who is prettiest. We are all idiots here.

Wrapped Entropy Serpent Spine now being auctioned for 5-7k. Coincidentally, wiki shows the price driven up by Doncaldor, the same guy as Spider Fur Belts.

Actually, fairly recently there was a patch to blind logic and it is now far less traintastic.

[Beastagoog]

I remember when Snickasourus was grinding Deadscale armor sets to make pp, was a jovial fellow.

Now he got that arragance the comes with people who trade copious amounts of real life time for imaginary platnium pieces.

Many have fallen to this.

R.I.P.

[Lhancelot]

I remember when Snickasourus was grinding Deadscale armor sets to make pp, was a jovial fellow.

Now he got that arragance the comes with people who trade copious amounts of real life time for imaginary platnium pieces.

Many have fallen to this.

R.I.P.

It's amazing how ingame pixellated accomplishments alter a man's perspective of himself.

[skarlorn]

Now, now gents. No need to fight over who is prettiest. We are all idiots here.

[Maner]

Now, now gents. No need to fight over who is prettiest. We are all idiots here.



Actually, fairly recently there was a patch to blind logic and it is now far less traintastic.

The change to Vilefang spawn time also means a LOT fewer snakes are being killed to drop the 1hs.

[Kesselring]

Besides all the ways you can break the game by using instant clicks and 2 monks with beads (only one monk needs beads tbh) beads are pretty nice to have when dealing with pulling casters. I currently do not have beads but if you want to sell me yours for 2k ill be happy as hell because I really would like to learn how to do some stuff ive seen with them. If not thats ok ill farm the plat either way because it's my next item to buy.

[Cecily]

No need to fight over who is prettiest.

That sounds like a great idea actually, but you're right. No need to fight. I'm the prettiest.

[Triiz]

Actually, fairly recently there was a patch to blind logic and it is now far less traintastic.

The last patch was in February, price was 2k for 2 month's after that.


The change to Vilefang spawn time also means a LOT fewer snakes are being killed to drop the 1hs.

The change to Vilefang spawn that was implemented in September of 2016? Doncaldor, is that you?

I used to wonder "How can people get away with doubling and tripling prices overnight?" Now I know.

[Spyder73]

Mad, bad, sad. You are a trash monk

Crossed the line bro - first thing i'm doing when I get home is defriending Bbeta

[Pokesan]

can we get a list of spyders afk tov pixels?

[Spyder73]

can we get a list of spyders afk tov pixels?

I have let more pixels rot than you will ever see drop Cuckesan.

Also - Grouped with Aalpha this weekend and it was lovely - so blow it out your a$$ Corndog

[Pokesan]

thats not a list i want a list!

[Mockba1980]

Mad, bad, sad. You are a trash monk

lol Aalpha ! This headshot is sick :D

[SantagarBrax]

Having beads as a necro allows you to no longer be a liability on raids, begging healers for regen/heals. It allows you to take care of yourself pre incoming and during the fight on Most raid mobs. (90% +)

Just died? Thank you beads for dropping my recovery time to 2 minutes.

Giant factioned in tov and everyone left, bound outside? Thank you beads/hammer.

It really does help and the contrast is night and day.

[Rivera]

This thread has done nothing but make the Beads look MORE valuable... this whole thing is just a scam.

[kotton05]

Yup schnickersaurus' ec thread on beads already doubled in price

[Spyder73]

TLDR - Elder beads are extremely over valued and offer minimal utility in niche situations

[Pokesan]

TLDR - Elder beads are extremely over valued and offer minimal utility in niche situations

sports??

[nyclin]

beads are actually worth more than 300k

[Vianna]

TLDR - Elder beads are extremely over valued and offer minimal utility in niche situations

You are playing your class wrong if you believe that.

[Bones]

You are playing your class wrong if you believe that.

[Beastagoog]

This is the greatest troll thread in a long time.

well done.

[Maner]

This is the greatest troll thread in a long time.

well done.

It's not a troll thread, he is actually this clueless. As are you for thinking it was a troll...

[Spyder73]

You boys go ahead and let Sh!tsaurus stick his thumbs in your ass's then. Nothing to see here, everyone move along, prices in EC are fine.

[radda]

You are playing your class wrong if you believe that.

he's not playing at all...

[Pokesan]

sir you are woefully unaware of how valuable this video game truly is!

[radda]

sir you are woefully unaware of how valuable this video game truly is!

It's only valuable to teens to promote vocabulary and social structure,maybe business ethics too

[Beastagoog]

It's not a troll thread, he is actually this clueless. As are you for thinking it was a troll...

Yikes...................