Raiding Guild Behavior

[Kushie]

Remember this front page post? http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131586


Raid Scene
It continues to be an aggravating realization among CSR staff that 10% of the server population causes 90% of the problems. We are all for competition, but it needs to be fair competition. We are also all here for the same thing, to experience classic Everquest. The same guild monopolizing raid content for 2 years that they might not even need anymore is ridiculous, just to block other guilds from the chance of gearing up to take on the same end game content.

I was thinking to myself the other day and I came to ask myself.. Are we providing this server to give people the arena to compete to such bitter extremes that it has resorted to taking every absolute measure to be victorious, or are we here to provide a classic Everquest experience for everyone to enjoy?

A lot of you make fun of it in your own terms, but it really does come down to fighting over very old content.

Either way, we're tired of the constant bickering, the training, the ninja looting, and all the other bullshit that's going on. So here's what we're going to do.

Starting today and then evaluated when Velious is released the CSR staff will be keeping track of how the raid guilds are treating each other. If we do not see a significant improvement in the behavior of the raiding guilds and how they treat each other, Velious will be released without raid content. To be clear, we want an enjoyable raid scene for everyone, not just one or two guilds. This means working together to figure out a compromise when racing for mobs, and working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters.

Don't think that this means you can continue shitting on each other and just not petition, the staff will still be watching.

Nothing has changed. Years later, the same couple guilds are shitting on each other for meaningless pixels under new guild names.

I recommend taking away Kunark raid content as well, these manchildren will fight over any irrelevant pixels.

Wiping Blue/Red clean might be the only other option for a true classic experience.

[Swish]

Sorry there isn't a nice safe ringfenced rotation for you to come back to and exploit. Are you one of the guys that's moving to Agnarr and doing it all over again, EQLite style? :o

[skarlorn]

laughed aloud at thread title, voating 4 stars

[Pokesan]

5 stars x3

[Mistle]

Kushie wins.

[Victorio]

If the CSR staff wanted people to retire from velious more quickly they wouldn't have cut the loot on almost every mob in half.

[Kushie]

Did they already censor you?

[Speedi]

What's wrong Kushi, is phinny starting to get boring? Not surprised BDA is still actively trying to change the raid scene on p99 to fit their play style. At least your showing intelligence, looking for a new home for your guild to go to after leaving that "soon to be dead" server. Good luck on your quest!

[Lhancelot]

Sirken needs to implement a Three Strikes Your Out rule, regarding raiders and raid guilds that repeatedly keep breaking raid rules.

When a guild is suspended due to infractions involving raid rules, each member earns a "strike" on every character on their account that has that guild tag.

Once a character accrues three strikes, that character is wiped clean and delevelled to level 1.

I am confident this would eliminate a lot of the fuckery that goes on.

[Swish]

Sirken needs to implement a Three Strikes Your Out rule, regarding raiders and raid guilds that repeatedly keep breaking raid rules.

When a guild is suspended due to infractions involving raid rules, each member earns a "strike" on every character on their account that has that guild tag.

Once a character accrues three strikes, that character is wiped clean and delevelled to level 1.

I am confident this would eliminate a lot of the fuckery that goes on.

That would shut down the raid scene altogether.

People need to stop thinking that adding more rules/stipulations is the fix for the raid scene. It definitely needs something, but giving competing guilds more ammunition to fire at each other isn't going to solve the problem.

[Kushie]

Poor Sirken needs a vacation from A/A

[Swish]

Yea shit was deleted in less than 10 minutes. Wasn't even RNFing I just quoted your post. I'd love to see which rule I was breaking to justify that post deletion. Yay censorship for no reason other than mods being in a bad mood or something.

The same thread doesn't need to be in two places at once.

[Nightbear]

they would never do that lmao

[RDawg816]

I think most would agree the raiding scene is not enjoyable...

That being said, it's hard to fix it with the raid mentality we have. Lawyer-questing and petitioning nonstop...

[Swish]

Before I begin I would like to ask mods to let me know if this post breaks any P99 forum rules and if so which one(s)? So I may edit it to be in line with the rules. It is not my intention to break any rules deserving of my posts to be deleted. I don't understand what the cause would be for deleting a post with a quote from Rogean and a link to a P99 forum subsection so hopefully this one remains intact. With that said on to the meat and potatoes.



Current Raid Discussion forums:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=69


Discuss

TFW the disclaimer is longer than the content of the OP and you know the OP doesn't raid on P99.

http://i.imgur.com/oWQVUnQ.gif


100% troll thread, would remove or at least move to RNF where it belongs.

[Whirled]

I heard they were serving meat & potatoes. Yall got some of dem mashed ones?

OASN; disb& +inb4 RnF

[Cecily]

I think most would agree the raiding scene is not enjoyable...

That being said, it's hard to fix it with the raid mentality we have. Lawyer-questing and petitioning nonstop...

It's what you make of it. I love raiding with Rustle, mainly because we approach it with a degree of sanity a couple guilds haven't figured out yet. EQ feels like a game again instead of a job.

[Ravager]

TFW the disclaimer is longer than the content of the OP and you know the OP doesn't raid on P99.
And why do you think he doesn't raid here?

100% troll thread, would remove or at least move to RNF where it belongs.Maybe add something more to the discussion than a gif and it won't be a troll thread.

He raises a very good point that I'm sure many guilds have an interest in.

[itdoesntmatter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh85bHWVhMw

the "mentality" isn't limited to A/A

[Swish]

And why do you think he doesn't raid here?

I know his characters.

I think it's funny that past and present BDA members are the ones saying "guys there's something wrong with the raid scene" when they had a hand in shitting on a casual tier rotation during Kunark (making rotations unpopular in the process).

The mentality of casual guilds trying to ring fence a rotation away from "even more casual guilds" was the undoing of raiding on this server and the reason it's in this mess in the first place. GG 80 man Trakanon kills, getting it dead in under 10 seconds every time.

BDA lapped that shit up, that was awful for casual players who didn't have the play time to sock for mobs. BDA and Taken players managed it though didn't they?

Soandso says: "Hey BDA, isn't it time you moved up to Class C?"
BDA (in a chorus of 150 players) says: "Nah, we're all awful at EQ and aren't ever going to use our VP keys"

This thread is a joke from the first post based on the guild of the poster if not the poster himself.

[RDawg816]

And why do you think he doesn't raid here?

Phinigel:
Healbro 65 Cleric <Original Gangster Club>
Talo 65 Ranger <Original Gangster Club>
P99:
Trollolololol 60 Shaman (Retired)

[bktroost]

The raid scene is a great place when both A/As are on suspension. Things are rotated, some are FFA, people are respected and petitions are a myth.

[Samoht]

And why do you think he doesn't raid here?
Maybe add something more to the discussion than a gif and it won't be a troll thread.

He raises a very good point that I'm sure many guilds have an interest in.

The better question is: why don't you have swish on ignore?

And still yet: why do you bother to reply to him?

[Swish]

The better question is: why don't you have swish on ignore?

And still yet: why do you bother to reply to him?

That's great if you like to bury your head in the sand and won't hear the truth. It's a troll thread anyway.

[Bones]

The raid scene is a great place when both A/As are on suspension. Things are rotated, some are FFA, people are respected and petitions are a myth.

inb4 "free welfare pixels" because their zerg forces aren't there to poopsock with 3x the amount of players needed to clear the content

[Lhancelot]

TFW the disclaimer is longer than the content of the OP and you know the OP doesn't raid on P99.

http://i.imgur.com/oWQVUnQ.gif


100% troll thread, would remove or at least move to RNF where it belongs.

Why poopoo on his thread when his point is relevant and his quotes of Rogean are still quite applicable even to this point in time?

When even you know the raid scene here is less than to be desired, why would you waste your time trying to invalidate the OP instead of supporting the idea that change is needed? smh.

Not that anything will be done, but when you have repeat offenders in the raid scene constantly earning infractions due to greed and being unwilling to work with one another they should be punished more harshly.

[Samoht]

Stop feeding the troll. I don't want to see his spam quoted in your replies. Enough of the regurgitated gifs. Here, click this instead:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=11281

[Daldaen]

Promote me to Lead Raid Scene GM.

I will fix the raid scene here.

[Ravager]

@Rdawg & Swish: I was asking why he doesn't raid here in the sense of why he wouldn't want to raid here. Don't be dense.

[Ravager]

The better question is: why don't you have swish on ignore?

And still yet: why do you bother to reply to him?

If you get Swish going enough, eventually he says or does something stupid enough to get banned.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Velious already released, checkmate dummy

[Nixtar]

The raid scene is a great place when both A/As are on suspension. Things are rotated, some are FFA, people are respected and petitions are a myth.

Almost like they were, and always have been, the problem to begin with, isn't it?

[dafier]

That would shut down the raid scene altogether.


I think not.

[skarlorn]

i guarantee you that everyone in A/A needs mental help

Only YOU have the power, Sirken. End this madness.

[skarlorn]

The same thread doesn't need to be in two places at once.

How about "consider red" propaganda?

[Ravager]

Poor Sirken needs a vacation from A/A
It's probably not a coincidence that the dual ban was implemented at spring break.

[skarlorn]

It's probably not a coincidence that the dual ban was implemented at spring break.

spring break... who the fuck goes to school anymore? I know that there are some profs and stuff here, but most p99ers are even thru grad school.

I hope you are having a great Highschool Spring Break camping the WK ogres, Ravager

[Ravager]

spring break... who the fuck goes to school anymore? I know that there are some profs and stuff here, but most p99ers are even thru grad school.

I hope you are having a great Highschool Spring Break camping the WK ogres, Ravager

I always assumed Sirken was 15 by the sound of his voice.

[Troxx]

Guild leaders and officers should be required to register their official in game accounts. Raid suspensions and repeat offenses should result in leader/officer accounts being handed down actual game suspensions for 30 days - and eventually outright banned if guild behavior stays problematic requiring GM intervention.

What do you want to bet guild leaders would police themselves more aggressively and/or be more likely to work things out between respective guilds?

Alternately you could suspend all accounts with associated guild tagged characters for the duration of the raid suspension - or make the raid suspensions more severe to the order of a solid 30 days.

The warring 2 guilds would quickly behave themselves or dissolve/degrade.

[Erati]

the only thing A/A has done which is truely negative in people's eyes is 'tried harder' than everyone else aka showing up for mob windows utilizing the posted server rules

the reason this upsets so many people is they feel that they 'shouldnt have to' do the same thing ( track ) in order to experience Classic EQ Raiding.

If A/A were to be nuked off the map, the hope for the casuals is that they will be able to raid without tracking but sadly this has been proven time and time again to be like finding Bigfoot.

[Krashin]

The raid scene is a great place when both A/As are on suspension. Things are rotated, some are FFA, people are respected and petitions are a myth.

[Samoht]

the only thing A/A has done which is truely negative in people's eyes is 'tried harder' than everyone else aka showing up for mob windows utilizing the posted server rules

That's why they've had so many raid suspensions for everything from training to crying wolf, right? Because they just try harder and show up for the spawn window? Gtfo, jackass. It's because they shit all over competitors. And since nobody wants to get shit, nobody else shows up. Except A/A. I guess they enjoy eating each others' shit.

[Whirled]

So, I made up a new game. You roll some dice and try to lawyer other players out of their adventures. In the end, the one with the most poop filled socks wins. I haven't figured out a name yet for it though. EQ raid scene is taken, so what to call it? hmm...

[Rang]

the only thing A/A has done which is truely negative in people's eyes is 'tried harder' than everyone else aka showing up for mob windows utilizing the posted server rules

the reason this upsets so many people is they feel that they 'shouldnt have to' do the same thing ( track ) in order to experience Classic EQ Raiding.

If A/A were to be nuked off the map, the hope for the casuals is that they will be able to raid without tracking but sadly this has been proven time and time again to be like finding Bigfoot.


I'm getting an unemployed vibe from this post. Maybe it's just all the drugs I've been taking to compliment my immersion.

[Bruize]

The raid scene is a great place when both A/As are on suspension. Things are rotated, some are FFA, people are respected and petitions are a myth.

Works for a week at a time, but how long do you really think your raiding utopia can last? Werent there issues last time as well? Here is a fraps of FoH talking about holding an issue over Rustle's head to leverage more mobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh85bHWVhMw&feature=youtu.be

[Breaken]

The raid scene is a great place when both A/As are on suspension. Things are rotated, some are FFA, people are respected and petitions are a myth.

Last time both guilds were suspended, the rotations worked for one week then went to shit. This time, I've already seen video of FoH/Anonymous issues with Telk.

Things are not as peachy as you imply.

Edit: Bruize beat me to it, but yes, that.

[Erati]

That's why they've had so many raid suspensions for everything from training to crying wolf, right? Because they just try harder and show up for the spawn window? Gtfo, jackass. It's because they shit all over competitors. And since nobody wants to get shit, nobody else shows up. Except A/A. I guess they enjoy eating each others' shit.

spoken like someone who has never shown up to any FTE race ever lol

No pretty much A/A keep to themselves, FTE or not FTE a mob that spawns, use the next hour gathering a raid and wind up either winning or losing the encounter.

Rinse repeat for all raid spawns.

The 'shitting on each other' happens mostly by the toxic forum trolls who dont play in game or have no basis for any kind of relevant opinion because they assume from what they read.

[Freakish]

Thank you for your contribution to a server you do not play on. Please stop posting.

[Lhancelot]

Works for a week at a time, but how long do you really think your raiding utopia can last? Werent there issues last time as well? Here is a fraps of FoH talking about holding an issue over Rustle's head to leverage more mobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh85bHWVhMw&feature=youtu.be

Well. you know you got a pixel problem when you start discussing how to blackmail other guilds for pixels.

[Kushie]

15 is about the average mental age of the manbabies who fight for pixels in endless Velious.

[Endonde]

the only thing A/A has done which is truely negative in people's eyes is 'tried harder' than everyone else aka showing up for mob windows utilizing the posted server rules

the reason this upsets so many people is they feel that they 'shouldnt have to' do the same thing ( track ) in order to experience Classic EQ Raiding.

If A/A were to be nuked off the map, the hope for the casuals is that they will be able to raid without tracking but sadly this has been proven time and time again to be like finding Bigfoot.

This may be true for some uninformed individuals, but there are plenty of people who dislike you because you act like complete scumbags. You guys have an unfortunate habit of willingly breaking the rules, and then when caught and/or called out about doing so you play the victim instead of owning up to your mistakes.

See this post as a perfect example.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246016


I agree that tracking, and poopsocking will always exist without a massive ruleset overhaul, but I think we've seen in the past from other top guilds, that you can be a top guild on the server while still attempting to make the server a better place for all players, I haven't seen that from you guys yet.

[Kushie]

Butchh is fiercely protective over his petitionquest pixels.

[Comoc1]

spring break... who the fuck goes to school anymore?

Educated people

[Erati]

This may be true for some uninformed individuals, but there are plenty of people who dislike you because you act like complete scumbags. You guys have an unfortunate habit of willingly breaking the rules, and then when caught and/or called out about doing so you play the victim instead of owning up to your mistakes.

See this post as a perfect example.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246016


I agree that tracking, and poopsocking will always exist without a massive ruleset overhaul, but I think we've seen in the past from other top guilds, that you can be a top guild on the server while still attempting to make the server a better place for all players, I haven't seen that from you guys yet.

That Nagafen was over a year ago and thats what you point to?

Cmon you are better than that, you know this server is a "what have you done lately" place. Assuming nothing was learned gained from the guilds first suspension is a bit audacious dont you think?

AW is not the same guild that ran over the "little guys" at Nagafen. In fact, we have probably only killed him 2-3 times in the last year since that raid ban. That alone shows AW is not only capable of change and learning but it pretty much turns your post into an angry misinformed one that I dont really understand the point you were making.

All I was saying was A/A is bad bc we are willing to track, something no one wants to do. The fact we continue to track mobs means others have to do the same (hence the "shit raid scene") or they have to figure out other things to do that dont involve the practice.

Socking/tracking are what the current ruleset force you to do if you want FTE on a mob. "First" being the key word in FTE hence why people track/sock.

[Kushie]

Speaking of Manbabies, a wild Aftermath appears!

[Samoht]

spoken like someone who has never shown up to any FTE race ever lol

I've been trained more times by TMO than I can count. Just because they have a new name doesn't mean anything has changed. No. Just no. People choose not to participate here because of how terrible those raiders act. It has nothing to do with effort.

you know this server is a "what have you done lately" place.

Suspensions since Jan 1:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268709
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268708
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264102
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263081
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261899
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261775

All I was saying was A/A is bad bc we are willing to track, something no one wants to do. The fact we continue to track mobs means others have to do the same (hence the "shit raid scene") or they have to figure out other things to do that dont involve the practice.

Socking/tracking are what the current ruleset force you to do if you want FTE on a mob. "First" being the key word in FTE hence why people track/sock.

There is honestly something wrong with you. You cannot be so blind that you cannot see that NOBODY on this server likes playing with you. The two guilds combined have been suspended SIX times since the beginning of the year. And those are just the infractions that were reported and have been judged.

[Spyder73]

You know very well why this is not appropriate in server chat fat ass. This belongs in RnF because you are a BDA apologist who doesn't actual care about the server and is only trying to cause problems for active P99ers.

[Endonde]

That Nagafen was over a year ago and thats what you point to?

Cmon you are better than that, you know this server is a "what have you done lately" place. Assuming nothing was learned gained from the guilds first suspension is a bit audacious dont you think?

AW is not the same guild that ran over the "little guys" at Nagafen. In fact, we have probably only killed him 2-3 times in the last year since that raid ban. That alone shows AW is not only capable of change and learning but it pretty much turns your post into an angry misinformed one that I dont really understand the point you were making.

All I was saying was A/A is bad bc we are willing to track, something no one wants to do. The fact we continue to track mobs means others have to do the same (hence the "shit raid scene") or they have to figure out other things to do that dont involve the practice.

Socking/tracking are what the current ruleset force you to do if you want FTE on a mob. First being the key word in FTE hence why people track/sock.

The Nagafen suspension although it may be old is just the perfect example because it proves my point in one nicely consolidated post.

Here is another example,

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261343

Solid points for owning up to your mistake.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2431543&postcount=26

Annnnnnd then you instantly try to find a way to blame your fuck up on the other guild petitioning you too much.


Your guild is all over RnF right now trying to spin your current suspension as Aftermath's fault somehow.

I like you as a person Eratani but your guilds attitude as a whole is pretty awful, you pretend you can do no wrong, while constantly getting caught doing wrong.

[Detoxx]

A wild burrito appears!

[Mead]

spring break... who the fuck goes to school anymore? I know that there are some profs and stuff here, but most p99ers are even thru grad school.

I hope you are having a great Highschool Spring Break camping the WK ogres, Ravager

Lol ok. Definitely the funniest thing I have read all day. Maybe the ones not playing here anymore.

[Kushie]

You know very well why this is not appropriate in server chat fat ass. This belongs in RnF because you are a BDA apologist who doesn't actual care about the server and is only trying to cause problems for active P99ers.

Lol that is the only smart and on point response i've ever seen Spider73 post.

[Troxx]

That Nagafen was over a year ago and thats what you point to?

9 months ago (June 2016) was over a year ago?

[Nuggie]

I dont mind a casual tracking. Checking track every 3-5 minutes. But I am not going to race for FTE. Where you have to be present and ready to go every second for hours on end.

The current pace suits me quite nicely. A&A get suspenended every 3-8 weeks due to their asshatery. The rest of the guilds form a rotation. We kill mobs and get our fill(more raiding than I prefer to do in a week tbh). The suspension ends and we go back to raiding HoT, planes, etc.

I'm not unhappy with the raid scene. Better than the TMO days. Shoot, i even enjoy the occasional time that A or A show up to a lower tier mob and contest us. Puts some spice in it.

[Ravager]

9 months ago (June 2016) was over a year ago?

Not to mention the fact that this behavior continues over such a long course of time is pretty damning in itself.

[Troxx]

All accounts with a character (even one) wearing a guild tag for the raid suspended guild should be automatically suspended from the game for the duration of the raid suspension - active/inactive/present/absent notwithstanding.

When every account from a guild has to suffer a complete p99 time out while under raid suspension- you can bet people will star policing their behavior more aggressively. I bet guilds would also actually dial back on the lawyerquest petitions as they could very well get their own guild suspended under the "crying wolf" clause.

[skarlorn]

Educated people

fair enough

of course it's possible to continue your education after graduating, as I have done.

god bless reading comprehension.

[Ravager]

of course it's possible to continue your education after graduating, as I have done.
learning is dum

[Troxx]

Repeat offending guilds just need more harsh punishment. If the consequences were more meaningful, the message would sink in. The mindset that drives the pixel-lust to begin with would, in theory, affect behavior. If training, leapfrogging, lawyerquesting, crying wolf, etc realistically carried a threat of absolute pixel loss for all within a guild - the good apples in either guild would quickly realize that ultra competition and shady behavior seen at the top end is not worth risking everything for (ban, delevel + stripped of all gear/coin) or loss of access (prolonged guild-wide suspension from logging in).

Punishment given to all who wear the tag.

The reasonable members of either would split away to form a new less toxic guild (or join other existing ones) and leave the banhammer to fall on the more toxic. Or maybe everyone would start to play nice? Or maybe nobody would change anything and we'd see see a big chunk of the nasty all vanish or be forced to start over?

The raid guild forum is littered with suspension messages. The rules are pretty clear ... they're just being ignored.

[Sadiki]

I think most would agree the raiding scene is not enjoyable...

That being said, it's hard to fix it with the raid mentality we have. Lawyer-questing and petitioning nonstop...

The server needs to hard enforce play nice rules instead of taking a 'make everyone happy' approach - which in reality is a 'make sure A/A is happy' approach. Wall staring and FTE racing are rules that change EQ from a game into a job. I don't care if people claim it's 'their idea of fun'.

I don't know why we're afraid of scaring toxic players off the server. The only people you would lose with rule changes are the ones that get off on griefing and rule breaking. The rest would still stay for the game.

[Comoc1]

fair enough

of course it's possible to continue your education after graduating, as I have done.

god bless reading comprehension.

Do you give yourself a spring break?

[bktroost]

The rules reflect the desire of the man with the keys to the kingdom. There's a rule in running a big company. The money will always go where the man with the wallet wants it to go.

If the CEO wants things a certain way its likely that is why the officers enforce it the way they do, despite how much sense it makes to the layman or how big the outcry is.

[Munkh]

It's exactly this kind of BS that's kept me from joining any guilds thus far. I almost feel like I've come to the conclusion that I won't ever get my epic/s and won't have raid gear for my toons.

I'm partially alright with this but there's a part of me that would like to be able to partake in the raid scene but don't want all the drama.

[spanky_kc]

15 is about the average mental age of the manbabies who fight for pixels in endless Velious.

What would be the average age/IQ of a person to troll P99 forums when they don't play?

[Sancta]

The server needs to hard enforce play nice rules instead of taking a 'make everyone happy' approach - which in reality is a 'make sure A/A is happy' approach.

You do realize that the suspensions were for infractions that were a month+ apart and they suspended both guilds at the exact same time to cater to casuals and not "make sure A/A is happy" right?


It's exactly this kind of BS that's kept me from joining any guilds thus far. I almost feel like I've come to the conclusion that I won't ever get my epic/s and won't have raid gear for my toons.

I'm partially alright with this but there's a part of me that would like to be able to partake in the raid scene but don't want all the drama.

Just because you don't have a guild doesn't mean you can't get your epics, but if you don't have any friends that does mean you can't get your epics.

Any sort of "drama" you see on the forums is just a loud minority, exactly the reason you only see it on the forums. Most of the people posting on the forums about the raid scene don't play here anymore.

[musashi1612]

You guys have to make agreements and rotations for raid mobs in EQ 18 years after it released, Nuff said. The raid scene was ruined the second you all started submitting to agreements and rotations over mobs instead of fighting for them. In EQ some people got the gear some did not this server is time locked for its progression so your real issue is with the pixel hoarders, That being said this server already has a shit ton of plat floating items going and nothing to remove plat from game I.E mounts or the luclin casino. GL hf guys

[Maner]

inb4 "free welfare pixels" because their zerg forces aren't there to poopsock with 3x the amount of players needed to clear the content

How many people did CSG raid with this weekend? Or rustle? I mean shit some of the content doesn't even get killed because A/A don't have enough people to kill it...

That's why they've had so many raid suspensions for everything from training to crying wolf, right? Because they just try harder and show up for the spawn window? Gtfo, jackass. It's because they shit all over competitors. And since nobody wants to get shit, nobody else shows up. Except A/A. I guess they enjoy eating each others' shit.

All of those suspensions minus one for awakened have been due to petitions between A/A. So who exactly are they shitting on and getting away with it again? If A/A are so obviously cheating then why aren't the other entities in there proving it? Instead little children like yourself, jump onto the Orin's and bitch like the reason for the suspension was somehow relevant or affected you in any way. No one cares what you want the raid scene to be like, even the Guides have said if you don't like it, the door is over there.

[Samoht]

Why dont yall play on red? Where you can actually contest for mobs.

Couple of things you seem confused about:

1) There's no actual PVP on Red. Because...
2) Nobody plays on Red. That's why the population is consistently less than 10% of Blue. Except for when somebody tries to move their guild over and then...
3) Any up and coming guild gets griefed off the server. By griefed I mean things like OOR harassment (training, KSing, dispelling mobs). Not PVP (see #1).

All of those suspensions minus one for awakened have been due to petitions between A/A. So who exactly are they shitting on and getting away with it again? If A/A are so obviously cheating then why aren't the other entities in there proving it? Instead little children like yourself, jump onto the Orin's and bitch like the reason for the suspension was somehow relevant or affected you in any way. No one cares what you want the raid scene to be like, even the Guides have said if you don't like it, the door is over there.

Is this even in English? Learn sentence structure... maybe even paragraphs. Come back when you can write something legible.

[Munkh]

Just because you don't have a guild doesn't mean you can't get your epics, but if you don't have any friends that does mean you can't get your epics.

Any sort of "drama" you see on the forums is just a loud minority, exactly the reason you only see it on the forums. Most of the people posting on the forums about the raid scene don't play here anymore.

I guess I suck because I don't have any EQ friends...... HAHA

No. My play time is so irregular that I need to make more EQ friends as my toons are getting close to levels and can have their epics.

[Maner]

Couple of things you seem confused about:

1) There's no actual PVP on Red. Because...
2) Nobody plays on Red. That's why the population is consistently less than 10% of Blue. Except for when somebody tries to move their guild over and then...
3) Any up and coming guild gets griefed off the server. By griefed I mean things like OOR harassment (training, KSing, dispelling mobs). Not PVP (see #1).



Is this even in English? Learn sentence structure... maybe even paragraphs. Come back when you can write something legible.

Auto correct due to mobile kicked in twice and instead of figuring it out you deflect like a little bitch? I thought you were better than that.


All of those suspensions minus one for awakened have been due to petitions between A/A. So who exactly are they shitting on and how are they getting away with it? If A/A are so obviously cheating then why aren't the other entities in there proving it? Instead little children like yourself, jump onto the Forums and bitch like the reason for the suspension was somehow relevant to, or affected, you in any way. No one cares what you want the raid scene to be like, even the Guides have said if you don't like it, the door is over there.


Is that better for you? Basically if you don't like it now l, no one is making you stay on this server. But even the GMs have said shit isnt changing, just because people like you don't want to commit the time that others are willing to commit.

All these threads do is reinforce that a majority of those who post don't actually comprehend what the raid scene is like. As proven by idiots like you still bitching about TMO while never even raiding since velious launched. Maybe when you figure out that your opinion is irrelevant, like you in general, you can move on past an emulated EQ server and have a meaningful life.

I guess I suck because I don't have any EQ friends...... HAHA

No. My play time is so irregular that I need to make more EQ friends as my toons are getting close to levels and can have their epics.

This is another example of someone posting their opinion who has no actual grasp as to what they are talking about. You realize that during live a majority of players did not have their epics right? The fact that you have the ability to get an epic so easily on this server is an example of hem catering to casuals coupled with just how long the server has been going.

[Spyder73]

It's exactly this kind of BS that's kept me from joining any guilds thus far. I almost feel like I've come to the conclusion that I won't ever get my epic/s and won't have raid gear for my toons.

I'm partially alright with this but there's a part of me that would like to be able to partake in the raid scene but don't want all the drama.

You have been here since 2011 bro - I can guarantee you if it hasn't happened by now its not going to happen at all. Casual scum must pay tribute to their A/A overlords in order to make pixel gains pleb.

[Samoht]

All of those suspensions minus one for awakened have been due to petitions between A/A.

That's irrelevant. Suspensions are proof enough that they're doing something wrong.

So who exactly are they shitting on and how are they getting away with it?

What you see them suspended for is only a fraction of the offenses. Some get decided through concessions. Others go ignored. Some are determined to be minor to Sirken so there's no punishment, but they're not excusable to everybody.

If A/A are so obviously cheating then why aren't the other entities in there proving it?

Because we CHOOSE not to raid here. We don't wish to deal with the train wars or the escalating cheating (both A/A using screen tearing for faster running) or life crippling strategies (CotH ducking, anyone?).

No one cares what you want the raid scene to be like

That's why these kind of posts have been popping up since the TMO days, right?

even the Guides have said if you don't like it, the door is over there.

Is that better for you? Basically if you don't like it now l, no one is making you stay on this server. But even the GMs have said shit isnt changing, just because people like you don't want to commit the time that others are willing to commit.

I've played here a lot longer than you. You don't get to dictate when I do or do not quit playing. Changes have been made before. Either A/A is going to get on board or play nice or they will see themselves permanently raid suspended for the benefit of the rest of the server.

All these threads do is reinforce that a majority of those who post don't actually comprehend what the raid scene is like. As proven by idiots like you still bitching about TMO while never even raiding since velious launched. Maybe when you figure out that your opinion is irrelevant, like you in general, you can move on past an emulated EQ server and have a meaningful life.
Auto correct due to mobile kicked in twice and instead of figuring it out you deflect like a little bitch? I thought you were better than that.
Instead little children like yourself, jump onto the Forums and bitch like the reason for the suspension was somehow relevant to, or affected, you in any way.

I don't think you're an intelligent person. Statements like these just paint you as some sort of mongoloid and help to reinforce that you're not very smart. I am going to ignore them in the future. If you continue, I'm going to ignore you all together.

[Tetsuo]

70 million years ago dinosaurs had all the good niches and crushed or ate everything else, which left the mammals with nothing but the bottom of the food chain.

After the extinction mammals became the big guy in town and do the same.

The same thing would happen if you got rid of A/A. FoH, Venerate, or w/e would just fill the top niche and shit on everyone else.

The rules which are made to promote competition and give casuals a "chance" are arguably catering to the hostility of the raid scene.

Competition is why lions get so violent and kill competitor offspring and bite off reproductive organs of their enemies.

I've seen A/A believe it or not (I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it happen) work with a smaller non raiding guild to take out a raid target.

I've also seen them completely over take smaller guilds in arena because AoW had popped, and they didn't care about the disruption they cause because you know the AoW was there.


Just because you don't have a guild doesn't mean you can't get your epics, but if you don't have any friends that does mean you can't get your epics.


For some epics you could never finish with any old guild or "friends" because the raid mobs you need are poop socked to the extreme and you would never get a chance at it, or you could spend 100 - 500k per quest piece to get it from the poopsockers giving them even more reason to prevent others from getting in on their cash cows I mean epics drops/mobs.

[Munkh]

OMG, Maner lighten up. It was a bit of humor.

[Sancta]

I guess I suck because I don't have any EQ friends...... HAHA

No. My play time is so irregular that I need to make more EQ friends as my toons are getting close to levels and can have their epics.

No one said you suck, but you legit can't solo most epic content. So it's either get a guild, make friends there or no guild and make friends on your own to help you.
Or you could always pay people to help you kill stuff if you have the plat. Or just simply buy MQ for your epic pieces (depending on epic).
Shrug.

[Kushie]

Maner is living in a fantasy world lol

[Samoht]

Maner is living in a fantasy world lol

He's defending his lifestyle. Just like Erati was doing on Page 3 and 4. They know they're about to lose it, so they're holding on as hard as they can.

[Kushie]

Aftermath and Awakened would never be childish and shitty to each other, both victims of the system (lol)

[Sancta]

For some epics you could never finish with any old guild or "friends" because the raid mobs you need are poop socked to the extreme and you would never get a chance at it, or you could spend 100 - 500k per quest piece to get it from the poopsockers giving them even more reason to prevent others from getting in on their cash cows I mean epics drops/mobs.

Some epics are harder than others, very true. If your old guild or "friends" can't help you get that "super poopsocked mob" then they aren't the right guild/friends to get you your epic. Unfortunately that's how this game on this server is played. Find a guild/friends that do those things and you'll get your epic. That could be said for any item in the game, there is some guilds/group of friends that get these things so they are not impossible to get.

As far as I know the white/green scales from Vox/Gore/Sev/Hoshkar are NOT sold at all whatsoever, which ironically enough are "super poop socked" by casual raid guilds with the exception of Hoshkar in VP.

[Kushie]

Probably higher than someone named "spanky"

[Maner]

That's irrelevant. Suspensions are proof enough that they're doing something wrong.



What you see them suspended for is only a fraction of the offenses. Some get decided through concessions. Others go ignored. Some are determined to be minor to Sirken so there's no punishment, but they're not excusable to everybody.



Because we CHOOSE not to raid here. We don't wish to deal with the train wars or the escalating cheating (both A/A using screen tearing for faster running) or life crippling strategies (CotH ducking, anyone?).



That's why these kind of posts have been popping up since the TMO days, right?



I've played here a lot longer than you. You don't get to dictate when I do or do not quit playing. Changes have been made before. Either A/A is going to get on board or play nice or they will see themselves permanently raid suspended for the benefit of the rest of the server.





I don't think you're an intelligent person. Statements like these just paint you as some sort of mongoloid and help to reinforce that you're not very smart. I am going to ignore them in the future. If you continue, I'm going to ignore you all together.

This all just reeks of entitlement and deflection. No one cares why you don't choose to raid on this server anymore. Just like how no one would care if you decided to raid here. the point is you have admitted you don't and haven't for over a year. Your opinion regarding the raid scene is uninformed due to you not being a part of what you're complaining about.

How do you know that what they are suspended for is just a fraction? Do you have special access to the petitions forums? Do you routinely go and ask every other guild on the server how has A/A touched you this wee? you haven't said a single thing that would demonstrate some intimate knowledge with the raid scene, in fact you have admitted to the opposite. Basically you are running on pure assumption and opinion. You assume there are rule infractions happening on every encounter, you think that somehow the top 2 guilds are able to physically restrain other guilds from getting FTEs. Neither of those things are true. in fact if you weren't a complete tool you may have noticed that the dates for the 2 current infractions were a month apart. Which is further proof that in fact things aren't even close to as bad as you make them out to be. A/A is not shitting on any of the more casual raiding guilds, because 90% of the time those other guilds aren't even there.

Who is the we that chooses not to raid here? and how are they in any way informed enough to comment on the raid scene if they aren't even willing to attempt to participate in it?

I don't see where i told you to quit, i told you what Sirken has said. If you don't like it the door is that way. Changes have been made and the people who make those changes have said that you and those like you begging for a rotation are shit out of luck. A/A have no reason to create or agree to a rotation right now because the guilds people like you represent are obviously not a threat to them keeping a monopoly on raid targets.

The reason you don't think I am very intelligent is because i resorted to dumbing down what i wrote so that you could actually comprehend it. At least you didn't deflect like a little bitch as much this time.

He's defending his lifestyle. Just like Erati was doing on Page 3 and 4. They know they're about to lose it, so they're holding on as hard as they can.

How are we going to "lose it"? Are you somehow taking over hosting of the server so that you can make your own rules? There have never been guide enforced rotations on this server so why would they start now? The "rotations" we had were due to player made agreements and they were then destroyed because of the very players that pushed for rotations.

Its not a problem that everyone has an opinion, the problem comes when the uninformed, like you, feel the need to express them

Maner is living in a fantasy world lol

Me stating the obvious doesn't make it a fantasy world. The only fantasy being expressed on these forums is you, thinking what you say is in any way relevant, or even close to be considered trolling. Should go look up some political stories on social media, more specifically anything involving the BLM movement if you want to see what trolling is.

[Pokesan]

If you're not part of the problem i won't allow you to have an opinion

[Maner]

If you're not part of the problem i won't allow you to have an opinion

If you have never participated in the "problem" how do you know there even is one and what qualifies you to comment on how to fix it?

[Pokesan]

If you have never participated in the "problem" how do you know there even is one and what qualifies you to comment on how to fix it?

Does it take a crack addict to know smoking crack is bad? Are they the only party "qualified" to comment on the topic?

[Maner]

Does it take a crack addict to know smoking crack is bad? Are they the only party "qualified" to comment on the topic?

Because using or not using crack is the same choice as raiding or not raiding on P99? There is a lot that can qualify someone who has never used crack to comment on the detriments that using it can cause. This isnt even close to being a logical comparison.

[Pokesan]

Because using or not using crack is the same choice as raiding or not raiding on P99? There is a lot that can qualify someone who has never used crack to comment on the detriments that using it can cause. This isnt even close to being a logical comparison.

How is it different?

You can't just make assertions without supporting them.

[Samoht]

None of the stuff you guys are talking about is the point. The point is Rogean clearly stated if the raid guilds didn't stop acting like children they were going to remove raid content from the game. It's been over 3 years since he made that statement and nothing has changed. Where is the follow up to his promise? Let's make some actual changes and FORCE the toxic players to change their ways or get lost.

That's not what he said at all, though. He threatened to release Velious without content. Velious is already released, so the threat is over. He never said he would remove it.

[Samoht]

The reason you don't think I am very intelligent is because i resorted to dumbing down what i wrote so that you could actually comprehend it.

No, the reason I think you're dumb is because you're putting all of this effort into logical fallacies that in no way address the substance of this post. You can belittle me and demean me all you please. It just proves you don't have an argument. You can chase straw men and red herrings all day and get nowhere. I don't care. It just makes you simple and opinionated. Not right. If you need any examples, just read any of that rambling idiocy in your post I partially quoted. Maybe then at least one person will have read it all...

You can keep lashing out at me, but remember one thing: I'm not raiding tonight because I choose not to. You're not raiding tonight because your guild leadership is shit and got you raid suspended.

Again.

[Maner]

How is it different?

You can't just make assertions without supporting them.

If you have to ask then clearly its beyond you. Multiple test studies and research has gone into the detriments caused by using Crack or substances like it. That research is available in multiple publications for anyone to look up. You can educate yourself to the point that you are extremely informed regarding what crack can and cant do and why someone should want to quit using it.

However the people commenting on the raid scene on these forums have stated that they don't now and actually never have participated in the raid scene the way it currently is. Most of them are still complaining about a raid entity that hasn't existed in over 2 years. The rest complained enough to have the current rules implemented then never even tried to use those rules and left the server for the TLPs.

There is no research out there delving into the P99 raid scene. Because of this the majority of the people speaking are doing so from a place of ignorance. Which is why the majority of their "fixes" to the raid scene are so lackluster and ultimately will never work.

No, the reason I think you're dumb is because you're putting all of this effort into logical fallacies that in no way address the substance of this post. You can belittle me and demean me all you please. It just proves you don't have an argument. You can chase straw men and red herrings all day and get nowhere. I don't care. It just makes you simple and opinionated. Not right. If you need any examples, just read any of that rambling idiocy in your post I partially quoted. Maybe then at least one person will have read it all...

You can keep lashing out at me, but remember one thing: I'm not raiding tonight because I choose not to. You're not raiding tonight because your guild leadership is shit and got you raid suspended.

Again.

I'm not raiding tonight because nothing but maybe ST, and maybe trak would even be in window. Another ignorant comment that just reinforces your lack of comprehension regarding the raid scene. I haven't even logged in to do anything more than camp PS and watch a movie in the last week.

Can you please point out these straw-man and red herring arguments that you claim i am using. If all you see is me calling you a little bitch because you continue to deflect rather than defend your opinions with anything resembling proof or intimate knowledge about the topic. Then you really need to attempt to work on that reading comprehension. I save the personal insults for the end since i know you don't understand what the majority of the message is saying.

[Samoht]

Can you please point out these straw-man and red herring arguments that you claim i am using.

Do you not realize the irony of your request here? Do you even think before you type?

I think at this point, you've just devolved into flinging poo and have nothing more to add to the raid discussion. You should stop posting here before you embarrass yourself even further.

[aaezil]

Just make it so 3 raid suspensions = guild is dissolved and all members banned. The kids will shape up in no time.

[Maner]

Do you not realize the irony of your request here? Do you even think before you type?

I think at this point, you've just devolved into flinging poo and have nothing more to add to the raid discussion. You should stop posting here before you embarrass yourself even further.

More deflecting huh?

I haven't stated anything that isn't directly related to the actual problem. Just because you don't see yourself as an example of said problem, doesn't mean you aren't. You and people like you are exactly the problem, not only on this server and these forums, but in real life as well. People who think they are informed enough or, for some reason, important enough to share their invalid opinions and push them like some kind of fact. The fact that you cant even defend your opinions with actual examples, not assumptions, proves its also not a strawman argument.

If its so obvious why is it so difficult to just post them and make me look like a fool?

Just make it so 3 raid suspensions = guild is dissolved and all members banned. The kids will shape up in no time.

The way i remember it from the "guild summit" the punishments were already supposed to be multiplicative. Meaning 10day for the first, 20day for the 2nd, 40day for the 3rd, but they never followed through on that threat.

[Samoht]

More deflecting huh?

Nobody is deflecting anything. You just obviously don't understand the words I'm using and/or have no idea what a straw man is because the snippet I quoted was in and of itself a straw man.

opinions

I don't think you know what this word is, either. Six raid suspensions since Jan 1 is not an opinion. Caught cheating is not an opinion.

[Maner]

Nobody is deflecting anything. You just obviously don't understand the words I'm using and/or have no idea what a straw man is because the snippet I quoted was in and of itself a straw man.



I don't think you know what this word is, either. Six raid suspensions since Jan 1 is not an opinion. Caught cheating is not an opinion.

Responding to your claims directly, while not related to the parent topic, is not a straw man. Asking you personally to defend your claim is not removing the focus from the topic at hand, it is asking you to prove your claims. At least learn the terms before you attempt to use them.

6 raid suspensions, 4 for one guild and 2 for another. They are not the same entity and clearly one is worse than the other. How about you stop lumping them together, if you want the precedence set that the guild gets disbanded, then start with the one with the most suspensions first.

[Ravager]

Cap tip to Trollololol for some fine jimmie rustles.

[Samoht]

if you want the precedence set that the guild gets disbanded, then start with the one with the most suspensions first.

So TMO/Foreskin/Aftermath first, then?

[Mead]

Probably higher than someone named "spanky"

ouch

[Froakula]

Ban them mighty Sirken and save yourself further headaches and anguish.

[Maner]

So TMO/Foreskin/Aftermath first, then?

Except the precedent has already been set that creating a new guild eliminates all previous transgressions. Guilds have disbanded and reformed in order to avoid suspensions even . Aftermath is not TMO no matter how much you want them to be. They have some members who were also members of TMO but that is where it ends. Perhaps you should seek help in regards to your unhealthy obsession with a guild that hasn't existed on this server in what 3 years now?

[Expediency]

Samoht has got to be a bot. Put him on ignore like other reasonable people and stop arguing with him, both he and Alarti will absolutely pick your sentences apart for 10 pages until you trap them, then they obfuscate. We've all seen it a dozen times, just stop engaging him.

[Phenyo]

Probably higher than someone named "spanky"

gotem

[Samoht]

Except the precedent has already been set that creating a new guild eliminates all previous transgressions.

No it most certainly does not. Here's Foreskins first raid suspension. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197530&highlight=forsaken) It was carried over from TMO because the guild was obviously created to circumvent the ban.

Pay special attention to the immediate class upgrade and deletion of the loot from killing mobs for which they were ineligible.

Now who doesn't know anything about the raid scene on this server?

Samoht has got to be a bot. Put him on ignore like other reasonable people and stop arguing with him, both he and Alarti will absolutely pick your sentences apart for 10 pages until you trap them, then they obfuscate. We've all seen it a dozen times, just stop engaging him.

I don't know what I ever did to you, but you need to get that stick out of your ass. If trolling TMO members is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

[Ravager]

Samoht has got to be a bot. Put him on ignore like other reasonable people and stop arguing with him, both he and Alarti will absolutely pick your sentences apart for 10 pages until you trap them, then they obfuscate. We've all seen it a dozen times, just stop engaging him.
It would be easier to ignore than to argue, especially when one side has the facts and it's not the side you're arguing for.

[Swish]

What's funny about this thread is the BDA shills lining up and circlejerking each others posts :o

[Swish]

How about "consider red" propaganda?

Yeah, how about it? :)

Consider red folks.

[Swish]

OMG, Maner lighten up. It was a bit of humor.

[Kushie]

Guilds have disbanded and reformed in order to avoid suspensions even . Aftermath is not TMO no matter how much you want them to be. They have some members who were also members of TMO but that is where it ends. Perhaps you should seek help in regards to your unhealthy obsession with a guild that hasn't existed on this server in what 3 years now?

Bullshit

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197530


We extracted all Forsaken players and combined them into a common list. We then queried their guild membership prior to the formation of Forsaken. We found that 69 out of 74 Forsaken members participating in those kills were in The Mystical Order immediately preceding the guild's formation.

TMO is most certainly Forsaken which most certainly got wrecked by Rampage to form Aftermath with Asgard the TMO alt guild.

You can keep playing like dumb assholes, frothing at the mouth, deflecting all blame, but you can't hide from your reputation. Petitionquest, Training, Exploiting and RMT is embedded in Aftermath DNA. Nothing with Detoxx Lazie and Dottedup under Forsaken and nothing has changed under Aftermath just because some people quit. You constantly have to fill new seats in the type of guild you fools run.

Pras Hokushin

[Samoht]

What do you want to bet that manger won't even concede the point?

[Maner]

What do you want to bet that manger won't even concede the point?

I guess IB didnt avoid a suspension by reforming then?

[Samoht]

Told ya! Hahaha. This tool is in total denial.

[Maner]

Told ya! Hahaha. This tool is in total denial.

i was raiding with indignation at that point so i have no idea how it went down in that situation. However that also isn't an example of reforming to avoid a suspension. That is an example of reforming in order to change to class R from C, which obviously wasn't ok.

[Samoht]

Doubling down on denial! Zing!

[Kushie]

There will never be full community consensus on any sort of rotation. What alternatives exist to Class Rotations and FTE venomquest?

/random # of raiders in zone ready to engage - top roll gets FTE

Or have GMs stop policing ToV and let it turn into train city

Or just let these guys keep being shitty to each other

How about month long raid bans?

[paroxysmal]

Works for a week at a time, but how long do you really think your raiding utopia can last? Werent there issues last time as well? Here is a fraps of FoH talking about holding an issue over Rustle's head to leverage more mobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh85bHWVhMw&feature=youtu.be

Some information for those of you not really sure exactly what has been going on with the rotations that have been worked out when guilds are on suspension.

The first arranged rotation went very well with all parties working to ensure that all guilds were included and got an equal participation based on their typical raid numbers. Kittens/Infernus/Divinity accidentally left out but a few targets were set aside by each of the original parties involved in the rotation to give up to latecomers. (aw/am both on suspension)

The second arranged rotation went well with aftermath taking slightly more than the other guilds and also wanting certain mobs to be left to race for and working on their PR. AM - F/V relations challenged with the contestation and successful kill of trakanon #3 which popped after AW came off suspension, but had been listed as a F/V mob on the rotation sheet, by AM. Training occurred and was caught on video with AM at fault and two trak teeth were negotiated as concession for wrongdoing on AM part with attempted cordial finality to the event and further cooperation in the future and mentioned potential inclusion in trak rotation if it were to occurr again. (aw on suspension)

The third (attempted) arranged rotation went fairly poorly with aftermath stating that they did not want to rotate at all to start with. Getsome negotiated for some mobs to be set aside for rotation purposes. This resulted in AM getting 25 mobs by default and the leftovers were divied out to the other parties participating. CSG attempted to negotiate better terms (more mobs to be set aside for racing vs defaulting in AM's pile) and were turned down and CSG was technically blamed for the lack of a rotation during this period. AM was also demanding a 12 hour time limit on other guilds mobs vs. 24 hours from previous rotations before they became FFA. I think it is also important to note that I gave Detoxx a hard time for their lack of cooperation and fairness in rotating this round of suspensions which also contributed to the rotation not being set into place; additionally Detoxx had brought up formerly closed and cordially resolved trak/training issue from second suspension rotation period in negotiations with Getsome. Due to CSG negotiation and my interference Getsome stepped out of the negotiation role during this rotation attempt. It is also important to note that Rustle did do some joint raids with AM during this rotation period, however, all other mobs were all raced for and none were rotated. (aw on suspension)

The fourth (current) suspension period started with Getsome being statedly unavailable to start negotiations, however, became available shortly after KT was fte'd by AG and killed by CSG after the suspension period had began but before a rotation was in place. Additionally, Rustle killed gorenaire. Ideally we would have been able to get the rotation started prior to any guilds beginning to fte and kill targets. Between rustle/csg they wanted statue tormax dain doz ltk vulak be left alone. Old world/kunark mobs set to FFA. Nearly 16 hours later still no rotation in place nor a cease fire. Finally a rotation is starting to be worked on for NToV only (at midnight CST). these are the mobs not being touched by rustle/csg: Telk. Eashen iki aary dagarn cekenar zlexak sevalak lady n Jorlleag fesh. Lady m as long as non-CSG/Rustle guilds leave statue tormax dain doz ltk vulak alone. Rustle left Xygoz up in VP for f/v but did not mandate that other guilds not engage it and also stated it must be killed by 7pm EST. Rustle/CSG using firm negotiating tactics to strong arm stating that if they don't get what they want we will just do FTE racing for everything. (Fairly similar to what AM did on the third suspension period).

Timeline:
3/19 10am CST Sirken posts suspensions
3/19 10am-5pm attempts made to start negotiation
3/19 5pm-12am CST attempts made to work out a rotation (several dragons/mobs downed during this 10a-12a period, F/V downed Aary and Cekenar and attempted Jor but it got late and packed up for the night)
3/20 Rustle/Anon & CSG begin killing everything in ToV regardless of the agreement to leave said mobs alone - 4pm window coming for window overlap into AW/AM being off suspension.


Now that all thats out of the way, F/V raid started around 5pm CST and killed Xygoz, Trak and Talendor before heading to ToV where telk had been left up. So the particular video that a few of you saw occurred after Rustle/Anon and CSG had been in ToV most of the day killing everything that was up (quite a few dragons, i think rustle/anon bagged about 8 before this point). As soon as F/V zoned into ToV all the Rustle at west exit zoned out/left leaving Anon at west exit. Telk was engaged by anon and stalled at west exit for approximately 2-3 minutes. (AW/AM on suspension)

People on F/V side were frustrated and what you heard was based on that, also don't confuse some members talking shit with officers making decisions for the alliance. Guilds on this server have a me me me mentality. If it is up we must kill it whether we need the loot or not. Whether there has been a fair rotation or not. Apparently 8 dragons, most jointly killed with Rustle, wasn't enough and they really needed this telk to complete their day.

I think that I can safely say that even if AW/AM weren't here the existing guilds would merge into those roles in short order people would flock to join the ranks of the guilds getting the ftes/kills and soon they would have enough people to contest everything at any hour just like the situation we are already in. Overall, a sad state of affairs.

Additionally, those of you nerds that have the time to monitor and follow youtube accounts and look for these videos need to get a life, step outdoors, enjoy your family and do some self-reflection on what your role in the world is and what kind of person you really want to be.

[Kushie]

Some information for those of you not really sure exactly what has been going on with the rotations that have been worked out when guilds are on suspension.

The first arranged rotation went very well with all parties working to ensure that all guilds were included and got an equal participation based on their typical raid numbers. Kittens/Infernus/Divinity accidentally left out but a few targets were set aside by each of the original parties involved in the rotation to give up to latecomers. (aw/am both on suspension)

The second arranged rotation went well with aftermath taking slightly more than the other guilds and also wanting certain mobs to be left to race for and working on their PR. AM - F/V relations challenged with the contestation and successful kill of trakanon #3 which popped after AW came off suspension, but had been listed as a F/V mob on the rotation sheet, by AM. Training occurred and was caught on video with AM at fault and two trak teeth were negotiated as concession for wrongdoing on AM part with attempted cordial finality to the event and further cooperation in the future and mentioned potential inclusion in trak rotation if it were to occurr again. (aw on suspension)

The third (attempted) arranged rotation went fairly poorly with aftermath stating that they did not want to rotate at all to start with. Getsome negotiated for some mobs to be set aside for rotation purposes. This resulted in AM getting 25 mobs by default and the leftovers were divied out to the other parties participating. CSG attempted to negotiate better terms (more mobs to be set aside for racing vs defaulting in AM's pile) and were turned down and CSG was technically blamed for the lack of a rotation during this period. AM was also demanding a 12 hour time limit on other guilds mobs vs. 24 hours from previous rotations before they became FFA. I think it is also important to note that I gave Detoxx a hard time for their lack of cooperation and fairness in rotating this round of suspensions which also contributed to the rotation not being set into place; additionally Detoxx had brought up formerly closed and cordially resolved trak/training issue from second suspension rotation period in negotiations with Getsome. Due to CSG negotiation and my interference Getsome stepped out of the negotiation role during this rotation attempt. It is also important to note that Rustle did do some joint raids with AM during this rotation period, however, all other mobs were all raced for and none were rotated. (aw on suspension)

The fourth (current) suspension period started with Getsome being statedly unavailable to start negotiations, however, became available shortly after KT was fte'd by AG and killed by CSG after the suspension period had began but before a rotation was in place. Additionally, Rustle killed gorenaire. Ideally we would have been able to get the rotation started prior to any guilds beginning to fte and kill targets. Between rustle/csg they wanted statue tormax dain doz ltk vulak be left alone. Old world/kunark mobs set to FFA. Nearly 16 hours later still no rotation in place nor a cease fire. Finally a rotation is starting to be worked on for NToV only (at midnight CST). these are the mobs not being touched by rustle/csg: Telk. Eashen iki aary dagarn cekenar zlexak sevalak lady n Jorlleag fesh. Lady m as long as non-CSG/Rustle guilds leave statue tormax dain doz ltk vulak alone. Rustle left Xygoz up in VP for f/v but did not mandate that other guilds not engage it and also stated it must be killed by 7pm EST. Rustle/CSG using firm negotiating tactics to strong arm stating that if they don't get what they want we will just do FTE racing for everything. (Fairly similar to what AM did on the third suspension period).

Timeline:
3/19 10am CST Sirken posts suspensions
3/19 10am-5pm attempts made to start negotiation
3/19 5pm-12am CST attempts made to work out a rotation (several dragons/mobs downed during this 10a-12a period, F/V downed Aary and Cekenar and attempted Jor but it got late and packed up for the night)
3/20 Rustle/Anon & CSG begin killing everything in ToV regardless of the agreement to leave said mobs alone - 4pm window coming for window overlap into AW/AM being off suspension.


Now that all thats out of the way, F/V raid started around 5pm CST and killed Xygoz, Trak and Talendor before heading to ToV where telk had been left up. So the particular video that a few of you saw occurred after Rustle/Anon and CSG had been in ToV most of the day killing everything that was up (quite a few dragons, i think rustle/anon bagged about 8 before this point). As soon as F/V zoned into ToV all the Rustle at west exit zoned out/left leaving Anon at west exit. Telk was engaged by anon and stalled at west exit for approximately 2-3 minutes. (AW/AM on suspension)

People on F/V side were frustrated and what you heard was based on that, also don't confuse some members talking shit with officers making decisions for the alliance. Guilds on this server have a me me me mentality. If it is up we must kill it whether we need the loot or not. Whether there has been a fair rotation or not. Apparently 8 dragons, most jointly killed with Rustle, wasn't enough and they really needed this telk to complete their day.

I think that I can safely say that even if AW/AM weren't here the existing guilds would merge into those roles in short order people would flock to join the ranks of the guilds getting the ftes/kills and soon they would have enough people to contest everything at any hour just like the situation we are already in. Overall, a sad state of affairs.

Additionally, those of you nerds that have the time to monitor and follow youtube accounts and look for these videos need to get a life, step outdoors, enjoy your family and do some self-reflection on what your role in the world is and what kind of person you really want to be.

wow what a mess! Thanks for the insight

[paroxysmal]

np, sorry it was a bit challenging trying to remember all the details and piece it all together, and im sure i made some mistakes that people will promptly correct me on

inb4 go to red, cucked, pixel welfare

[Bones]

I think that I can safely say that even if AW/AM weren't here the existing guilds would merge into those roles in short order people would flock to join the ranks of the guilds getting the ftes/kills and soon they would have enough people to contest everything at any hour just like the situation we are already in. Overall, a sad state of affairs.

Additionally, those of you nerds that have the time to monitor and follow youtube accounts and look for these videos need to get a life, step outdoors, enjoy your family and do some self-reflection on what your role in the world is and what kind of person you really want to be.
what is this " step outdoors" you speak of? Is it a spell like Shadow Step? Also, I visit my family in Neriak all the time.

[Muggens]

Troll thread should be in rnf, velius has released long time ago. Great post by Qani tho!

[Sancta]

I think that I can safely say that even if AW/AM weren't here the existing guilds would merge into those roles in short order people would flock to join the ranks of the guilds getting the ftes/kills and soon they would have enough people to contest everything at any hour just like the situation we are already in. Overall, a sad state of affairs.


A tale that's been around since internet dragons have existed

[LostCause]

Remember this front page post? http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131586



Nothing has changed. Years later, the same couple guilds are shitting on each other for meaningless pixels under new guild names.

I recommend taking away Kunark raid content as well, these manchildren will fight over any irrelevant pixels.

Wiping Blue/Red clean might be the only other option for a true classic experience.

years later? velious hasn't even been out 2 years

[kotton05]

so fires n ven let's talk, nelle (the female voice from the video) first off just because you saw rustle at the zone out doesn't mean we was helping on telk. We had 0 involvement. You sound extra salty and clearly dumb af talking about petition this n that. That kind of behavior the staff are trying to stop.

Let's turn the tables onto f/v cek kill. I know you guys cothed up. Did you guys get a legit fte from the ent???? No, so that kill violates server rules, do we want that fraps uploaded? Most server rules went out the window to a play nice rotation.... so I assume that's a no xD

Sad thing is Getsome was about the only one pulling for fires and venerate to get mobs. You dumb fucks have a good way of ruining good things, that video isn't a bribery, it's just a cringe worthy look into what not to say while being recorded lol!!!! Poor venerate , tapped like an FBI surveillance sting.

Thanks bruize for leaking that and thanks rustle nerds for making copies so everyone can see!!

[Thiefboy777]

If anyone thinks Rustle is any different from A/A, you're retarded.

Its filled with the exact same people that have been ruining P99s raid scene for years.

[Skew]

Is that something we can do?
Probably not.

[Samoht]

If anyone thinks Rustle is any different from A/A, you're retarded.

Actually, most people recognize Rustle as the A/A rejects they are. Rustle will continually be another on-going problem guild because they have the same mentality as A/A knowing that it is made of "retired" A/A members. The guild name alone gives away their true intention.

[paroxysmal]

Go ahead Merkk if you have a video. I'm sure that all the guilds ran foot races from the entrance and weren't past the zone line when any of the mobs popped or violated any of the other 50 retarded raid rules this server has. Raid suspensions hurt A/A/CSG/Rustle way more than one would ever hurt us. My guys would probably be greatful to spend more time with their families, full nights sleep and work on the more enjoyable and less stressful side of p99.
To everyone else reading take note that Merkk didn't object to any of the other information from my post and the part he objected to was a statement that rustle left which is really agreeing with what's i said. Instead he lashed out and attempted to deflect attention.

[Xzavie]

You guys need to try Phinny or Angarr or TAKP or an entire different game. P99 is AIDS.

[Bruno]

Rumors bound that some amazing P99'rs gonna start a guild on Agnarr. Stay tuned if you get sick of all your p99 drama.

RUSTY WEAPONS AND BRONZE ARMOR HERE WE COME

I would love to see a p99 guild consisting of members with the longest of neckbeards go against the "hardcore" TLP server guilds. As much as the A/A/Rustle/Rampage/TMO/FE/IB drama still exists today, I think there would be unity in competing against the already established guilds on TLP. Some of those guilds go pretty hard, but it's child's play compared to the neckbearding that happens in this joint. A disruption in their monopoly excites me.

[kotton05]

If anyone thinks Rustle is any different from A/A, you're retarded.

Its filled with the exact same people that have been ruining P99s raid scene for years.

Well no fucking shit. Most of rustle already been there done that FOR years. We're just casual with it now and more calm, we'd be the best top guild because we just don't care enough to want to lock everything. Rustle very well could of just delt with csg and went out of our way to include everyone (no thanks to me but gets had y'all on his mind to get mobs to everyone:)

I Honestly feel like grabbing your head and hitting it...
matter fact you don't deserve your brain gimme it!

[kotton05]

Go ahead Merkk if you have a video. I'm sure that all the guilds ran foot races from the entrance and weren't past the zone line when any of the mobs popped or violated any of the other 50 retarded raid rules this server has. Raid suspensions hurt A/A/CSG/Rustle way more than one would ever hurt us. My guys would probably be greatful to spend more time with their families, full nights sleep and work on the more enjoyable and less stressful side of p99.
To everyone else reading take note that Merkk didn't object to any of the other information from my post and the part he objected to was a statement that rustle left which is really agreeing with what's i said. Instead he lashed out and attempted to deflect attention.

Dude you're just bad. You guys put more time in than csg n rustle combined in there and walked away very sad. Last time you cried for ToV mobs so you got a big chunk of ToV as a playground for a day and only netted 2 kills in 24 hours?

I also flipped it to show you the entire server was in violations ya doink. I don't care what you do, just want to show how baseless those claims were , Wasn't just fires wasn't just venerate wasn't just rustle the whole server would of been suspended.... so the fact in that video you guys are plotting to shit it all up... is just disgraceful

. We do have a link Xudoz copied it before it was taken down!!!! That's on him to share lol thanks for streaming it tho. Nothing to spin qani.

[Skew]

That video was the best loot drop for an entire crappy HoT raid last night. Not surprised it was moved to private.
LoLz were had.

[Samoht]

Rustle is just the modern day version of FE. We only have to wait for them to ally with Aftermath and then flip to ally with and eventually merge with Awakened to complete the circle.

[Krashin]

Rustle is just the modern day version of FE. We only have to wait for them to ally with Aftermath and then flip to ally with and eventually merge with Awakened to complete the circle.

You mad bro? Want to talk about your feelings or like the real underlying issues?

[kotton05]

You're wrong.

more closely resemble tmo or ib. Fe bloodlines run way deeper in aftermath.

[Samoht]

You're wrong.

more closely resemble tmo or ib. Fe bloodlines run way deeper in aftermath.

You don't get nearly enough mobs to consider yourself TMO or IB.

[Samoht]

You mad bro? Want to talk about your feelings or like the real underlying issues?

I see dumb people :(

[Krashin]

I see dumb people :(

And how does it make you feel in comparison? Do you feel sufficient or inadequate?

[Pokesan]

who is the heir to hokushin

[kotton05]

You don't get nearly enough mobs to consider yourself TMO or IB.

We get just alil less than a/a each week with half the numbers and no tracking dkp. I'm not considering ourselves those guilds but we have the makeup of both them minus the Zerg warm body. I'm just talking in terms of organization, experience, and our leadership.

o7

[maskedmelon]

Or have GMs stop policing ToV and let it turn into train city



this honestly what need to happen. empower the guerillas. force cooperation upon raid guilds with coordinated defenses against random lone wolfs and trains for hire ^^

[paroxysmal]

I never had a problem with the video and what was said. I have always been pretty open and transparent to people when I stream about what the internal dialogue of my guild is like and I think it isn't important for people to see how retarded p99 end game raid scene is. I laughed my ass off everytime I watched the beginning.

That being said I already addressed a few things you said in my first post you might want to re-read it before you post again.

[Samoht]

We get just alil less than a/a each week with half the numbers and no tracking dkp. I'm not considering ourselves those guilds but we have the makeup of both them minus the Zerg warm body. I'm just talking in terms of organization, experience, and our leadership.

FE had all of those things, but still eventually conceded that they were an inferior force. Your day will come.

[Tankdan]

consider Overwatch

[Fasttimes]

FE had all of those things, but still eventually conceded that they were an inferior force. Your day will come.

We aren't trying to be the "better" force. If we were we would track whole lot more. Have "sow" dkp. Have 50 runners on the line. Alt tab our way to victory. Or any of the other non sense most of us left behind. I'd rather get 1/3rd the mobs and 1/10th the effort.

[Samoht]

We aren't trying to be the "better" force. If we were we would track whole lot more. Have "sow" dkp. Have 50 runners on the line. Alt tab our way to victory. Or any of the other non sense most of us left behind. I'd rather get 1/3rd the mobs and 1/10th the effort.

So what you're saying is that you'd rather be referred to as the modern day BDA than the modern day FE? You're probably too neckbeardy for that.

[Fasttimes]

So what you're saying is that you'd rather be referred to as the modern day BDA than the modern day FE? You're probably too neckbeardy for that.

Sure I don't really care what you label me as. I'm guild fluid. I guess today I can identify as BDA. Get out of my safe space.

[kotton05]

FE had all of those things, but still eventually conceded that they were an inferior force. Your day will come.

Lol no. Sloan ran out of adderrall and fe joined tmo to fight ib once he left.

Our day has come. We clear vp against A/a with 20 people. Just solo killed vulak so we know it's poss now. Been pulling the triple double routine in ToV. You're also talking about the days when there was like only 1/5th the current raid mobs.

[Samoht]

You're also talking about the days when there was like only 1/5th the current raid mobs.

Does pointing that out support your argument or does it support mine? There are more raid mobs now, so you're getting more, but it's not proportionally larger, and the things you're getting aren't as relevant. Maybe you are more like BDA than FE after all.

[Skew]

Does pointing that out support your argument or does it support mine? There are more raid mobs now, so you're getting more, but it's not proportionally larger, and the things you're getting aren't as relevant. Maybe you are more like BDA than FE after all.


Probably. We dont track. Your math is wrong though. As is your knowledge of what targets we get with minimal effort.

[kotton05]

Does pointing that out support your argument or does it support mine? There are more raid mobs now, so you're getting more, but it's not proportionally larger, and the things you're getting aren't as relevant. Maybe you are more like BDA than FE after all.

Pd and hosh not relevant, whoa-k! Trips and doubles in ToV not relevant ok! LTK not relevant ok! Druushk not relevant well, to me he isn't but depends who you ask, ok! Jeez. Perhaps you're the delusional one. Best thing is we even poached some ST golems and I got a primal,so did ramen, so did butch, and so did Mauricio. I mean for it not being our time we surely been getting what we want with no effort. Only diff is we don't want a/a status. Rustle kills far more than you think a/a just don't talk about it.

I'll be guild fluid 2 ramen. Today I identify as a kitten!

[Samoht]

Rustle kills far more than you think a/a just don't talk about it.

Gotta do what you can while A/A is on suspension, amirite?

[kotton05]

Gotta do what you can while A/A is on suspension, amirite?

Lol we did that while they was back. I didn't list the mobs we got due to a/a being gone except Vulak which we used to think we couldn't do without an a/a Zerg but we did it!

Move along sir you're either not playing here or just wanna get in my dm's for sexy pics!

[Metalopolis]

There will never be full community consensus on any sort of rotation. What alternatives exist to Class Rotations and FTE venomquest?

/random # of raiders in zone ready to engage - top roll gets FTE

Or have GMs stop policing ToV and let it turn into train city

Or just let these guys keep being shitty to each other

How about month long raid bans?

Yes I've been saying for years that the duration of "raid suspensions" is grossly inadequate; especially in regards to repeat suspensions for the exact same offense.

Raid suspension duration should increase by an additional 10 days with each subsequent suspension. When these guilds are facing 50 or 60 day suspensions I'd bet they play a lot more respectfully

[Samoht]

Lol we did that while they was back. I didn't list the mobs we got due to a/a being gone except Vulak which we used to think we couldn't do without an a/a Zerg but we did it!

It's funny that the Vulak kill was the only thing worth mentioning and you did it with zero competition. Everybody and their grandmother has done VP at this point. I'm not going to fellate you for that. You're obviously doing a good enough job of fellating yourself.

[kotton05]

Alarti says out of character, "I am the best player on the server."

Enough said.

[Legday]

I'm think I'm going to get pad thai for lunch.

[Caiu]

Don't forget the lime.

[Mendo]

I'm think I'm going to get pad thai for lunch.

Don't forget the lime.

Don't leave your to go box opened in public spaces.

[Erati]

Didnt Vulak gate on yall? How was that resolved with you guys getting a kill?

Also you guys DO track/put in effort lol maybe not for the entire window sure, Ill give you that.

The raid rules are ideal for a small tight knit guild such a Rustle, agree 100%. ( tho you guys arnt very small anymore, there was 60+ for that AoW and Im sure pushing 70 for Vulak ) All it takes is a few well placed trackers AFK screensharing while at work with a couple of decent runners and you are in the game. Only bother racing when you know youll have a raid force avail and limit the amount of targets you actively track.

Its not that difficult to see why mobs fall into yalls laps when you put forth the effort I outlined above, thats why I always lambaste the fact other guilds dont do something similar. Mobs are up for the taking each spawn cycle just sitting there and with the simple moderated effort similar to Rustle more guilds should be bagging them.

[Kagey]

Didnt Vulak gate on yall? How was that resolved with you guys getting a kill?



So rustle breaks rotations, raid rules, and the hearts of casual guilds by not letting them share tormax, vulak, ltk, dozz ect.

[kotton05]

erati you forgot the diff between a scheduled raid and a response to a drop of the dime bphone. We got less for vulak way less.

As for him gating, we played by the new server rules so had to take a break, kind of sucked but we got him after the hour.

You make a great point we do track, we just don't reward it in DKP and not for full neck beard Windows. other guilds can't do or fill the role we fall into due to their all way behind us on progression with gear/knowledge. Other guilds would fail then get punked by a/a after their hour. It's a big leap imo to try to dabble in the raid zones especially after you fail a few times and don't know enough of the players/rules that are in place.

[kotton05]

So rustle breaks rotations, raid rules, and the hearts of casual guilds by not letting them share tormax, vulak, ltk, dozz ect.

Csg got all those but vulak ya doink. God you're more cringe than that venerate video tbh xD

[Gimp]

53 for Vulak

#morewithless

[Erati]

You make a great point we do track, we just don't reward it in DKP and not for full neck beard Windows. other guilds can't do or fill the role we fall into due to their all way behind us on progression with gear/knowledge. Other guilds would fail then get punked by a/a after their hour. It's a big leap imo to try to dabble in the raid zones especially after you fail a few times and don't know enough of the players/rules that are in place.

This is a fair point, the 1 hr cushion is not for the faint of heart with the new leashing in and other guilds holding stop watches.

Its most definitely intimidating for anyone organizing a raid knowing above all else you do not want to waste peoples time frivolously bc they are less likely to be there the next time. Its a hard balance and you guys have the raid leader experience to pull it off because like I said ( and said many times ) mobs are always avail every cycle. Its not always the same ones and sometimes its very random but sure enough each new round of spawns there will be plenty that overlap with some big ones making them very widely avail for even multiple tries.

The AoW raid force makes more sense now with you saying it was scheduled, you guys had 15 clerics from Rustle alone my jaw dropped. Very impressive.

[Detoxx]

rofl he got banned?

[Erati]

53 for Vulak

#morewithless

53 for Vulak is indeed low kill - we had 50 for him before the suspension but that was a 5 am kill lolz

different kind of accomplishment with that, one of those you are super proud but not proud of lol

[kotton05]

what's the lowest # vulak you have done?

[SpinFin]

What guild entity scored the FTE on Vulak after he gated?


Or did Rustle allow 1 HR + of time to pass and re-engage/kill without another guild's FTE inbetween?

[Erati]

what's the lowest # vulak you have done?

lowest I know of is the famous 38 man 30 min Rampage kill that has a video here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KlXUnPftOw

I dont know of anyone killing him with less than the above and like I said ours the other day was around 50 ( DKP page showing 53 attendees ). With Vulak you wont see many low number engages simply because everyone drops what they are doing to race to get on for them sweet big V pixels hehe. Only those early morning crack of dawn kills will you see around 50-60 people show up for A/A while a prime time kill youll easily see 80 people.

Off the top of my head tho I want to say the 53 man kill had to be one of the lowest # ones in AW thus far.

[Cecily]

What guild entity scored the FTE on Vulak after he gated?


Or did Rustle allow 1 HR + of time to pass and re-engage/kill without another guild's FTE inbetween?

We pulled and killed immediately after because rules don't apply to P99 heroes.

[Comoc1]

That was also when vulak didn't gate. Do you think 38 ppl would be able to interrupt him?

I've been in on a couple single shaman vulak engages back when we were coth racing, exciting stuff.

[Mendo]

We pulled and killed immediately after because rules don't apply to P99 heroes.

I did notice that you forced your ranger streamer to stop streaming after the wipe. I was bummed.

[Cecily]

I did notice that you forced your ranger streamer to stop streaming after the wipe. I was bummed.

Yeah so no one would see us kill.

[Capi]

We stall kited Telk and assisted on the Telk kill while we were locked into Vulak. Not a problem for Rustle, nbd. Gimp lies, we had upwards of 79 players for vulak.

[Fasttimes]

We stall kited Telk and assisted on the Telk kill while we were locked into Vulak. Not a problem for Rustle, nbd. Gimp lies, we had upwards of 79 players for vulak.

Basically the Russians helped us.

[spanky_kc]

We pulled and killed immediately after because rules don't apply to P99 heroes.

3/16/2017 updated to add no back to back FTEs (see Bold)
Quote:
If your guild/raid does not kill the FTE'd target within the allotted hour, when that hour expires, the target is considered open (not engaged) and can be FTE'd by anyone (except the guild that just had FTE), and then that new guild/raid with FTE will have an hour to make an attempt at killing the mob. And if your guild wipes, the target is considered open (not engaged) and can be FTE'd by anyone (except the guild that just had FTE), and then that guild/raid will have an hour to make an attempt at killing the mob.


How you going to get suspended on your day off!

[Fasttimes]

3/16/2017 updated to add no back to back FTEs (see Bold)
Quote:
If your guild/raid does not kill the FTE'd target within the allotted hour, when that hour expires, the target is considered open (not engaged) and can be FTE'd by anyone (except the guild that just had FTE), and then that new guild/raid with FTE will have an hour to make an attempt at killing the mob. And if your guild wipes, the target is considered open (not engaged) and can be FTE'd by anyone (except the guild that just had FTE), and then that guild/raid will have an hour to make an attempt at killing the mob.


How you going to get suspended on your day off!

Cause we savage.

Raindrops, drop tops

[kotton05]

Yeah so no one would see us kill.

Basically the Russians helped us.

[Detoxx]

lowest I know of is the famous 38 man 30 min Rampage kill that has a video here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KlXUnPftOw

I dont know of anyone killing him with less than the above and like I said ours the other day was around 50 ( DKP page showing 53 attendees ). With Vulak you wont see many low number engages simply because everyone drops what they are doing to race to get on for them sweet big V pixels hehe. Only those early morning crack of dawn kills will you see around 50-60 people show up for A/A while a prime time kill youll easily see 80 people.

Off the top of my head tho I want to say the 53 man kill had to be one of the lowest # ones in AW thus far.

Technically 38 but they had like 15 parked and kept switching warriors and clerics out so... more like 53 :p

[manguard]

All it takes is a few well placed trackers AFK screensharing while at work with a couple of decent runners and you are in the game.

fuck everything about that

[FreshPrinceOfP99]

Some information for those of you not really sure exactly what has been going on with the rotations that have been worked out when guilds are on suspension.

The first arranged rotation went very well with all parties working to ensure that all guilds were included and got an equal participation based on their typical raid numbers. Kittens/Infernus/Divinity accidentally left out but a few targets were set aside by each of the original parties involved in the rotation to give up to latecomers. (aw/am both on suspension)

The second arranged rotation went well with aftermath taking slightly more than the other guilds and also wanting certain mobs to be left to race for and working on their PR. AM - F/V relations challenged with the contestation and successful kill of trakanon #3 which popped after AW came off suspension, but had been listed as a F/V mob on the rotation sheet, by AM. Training occurred and was caught on video with AM at fault and two trak teeth were negotiated as concession for wrongdoing on AM part with attempted cordial finality to the event and further cooperation in the future and mentioned potential inclusion in trak rotation if it were to occurr again. (aw on suspension)

The third (attempted) arranged rotation went fairly poorly with aftermath stating that they did not want to rotate at all to start with. Getsome negotiated for some mobs to be set aside for rotation purposes. This resulted in AM getting 25 mobs by default and the leftovers were divied out to the other parties participating. CSG attempted to negotiate better terms (more mobs to be set aside for racing vs defaulting in AM's pile) and were turned down and CSG was technically blamed for the lack of a rotation during this period. AM was also demanding a 12 hour time limit on other guilds mobs vs. 24 hours from previous rotations before they became FFA. I think it is also important to note that I gave Detoxx a hard time for their lack of cooperation and fairness in rotating this round of suspensions which also contributed to the rotation not being set into place; additionally Detoxx had brought up formerly closed and cordially resolved trak/training issue from second suspension rotation period in negotiations with Getsome. Due to CSG negotiation and my interference Getsome stepped out of the negotiation role during this rotation attempt. It is also important to note that Rustle did do some joint raids with AM during this rotation period, however, all other mobs were all raced for and none were rotated. (aw on suspension)

The fourth (current) suspension period started with Getsome being statedly unavailable to start negotiations, however, became available shortly after KT was fte'd by AG and killed by CSG after the suspension period had began but before a rotation was in place. Additionally, Rustle killed gorenaire. Ideally we would have been able to get the rotation started prior to any guilds beginning to fte and kill targets. Between rustle/csg they wanted statue tormax dain doz ltk vulak be left alone. Old world/kunark mobs set to FFA. Nearly 16 hours later still no rotation in place nor a cease fire. Finally a rotation is starting to be worked on for NToV only (at midnight CST). these are the mobs not being touched by rustle/csg: Telk. Eashen iki aary dagarn cekenar zlexak sevalak lady n Jorlleag fesh. Lady m as long as non-CSG/Rustle guilds leave statue tormax dain doz ltk vulak alone. Rustle left Xygoz up in VP for f/v but did not mandate that other guilds not engage it and also stated it must be killed by 7pm EST. Rustle/CSG using firm negotiating tactics to strong arm stating that if they don't get what they want we will just do FTE racing for everything. (Fairly similar to what AM did on the third suspension period).

Timeline:
3/19 10am CST Sirken posts suspensions
3/19 10am-5pm attempts made to start negotiation
3/19 5pm-12am CST attempts made to work out a rotation (several dragons/mobs downed during this 10a-12a period, F/V downed Aary and Cekenar and attempted Jor but it got late and packed up for the night)
3/20 Rustle/Anon & CSG begin killing everything in ToV regardless of the agreement to leave said mobs alone - 4pm window coming for window overlap into AW/AM being off suspension.


Now that all thats out of the way, F/V raid started around 5pm CST and killed Xygoz, Trak and Talendor before heading to ToV where telk had been left up. So the particular video that a few of you saw occurred after Rustle/Anon and CSG had been in ToV most of the day killing everything that was up (quite a few dragons, i think rustle/anon bagged about 8 before this point). As soon as F/V zoned into ToV all the Rustle at west exit zoned out/left leaving Anon at west exit. Telk was engaged by anon and stalled at west exit for approximately 2-3 minutes. (AW/AM on suspension)

People on F/V side were frustrated and what you heard was based on that, also don't confuse some members talking shit with officers making decisions for the alliance. Guilds on this server have a me me me mentality. If it is up we must kill it whether we need the loot or not. Whether there has been a fair rotation or not. Apparently 8 dragons, most jointly killed with Rustle, wasn't enough and they really needed this telk to complete their day.

I think that I can safely say that even if AW/AM weren't here the existing guilds would merge into those roles in short order people would flock to join the ranks of the guilds getting the ftes/kills and soon they would have enough people to contest everything at any hour just like the situation we are already in. Overall, a sad state of affairs.

Additionally, those of you nerds that have the time to monitor and follow youtube accounts and look for these videos need to get a life, step outdoors, enjoy your family and do some self-reflection on what your role in the world is and what kind of person you really want to be.

What is this trickery? how are you recording dragons in ToV while you're at Fear Golems?! mind blown.

[Bones]

clearly russian spies

[kotton05]

So what you're saying is that you'd rather be referred to as the modern day BDA than the modern day FE? You're probably too neckbeardy for that.

Rustle achieved in a few months after creation what BDA always wanted and never could in more than 5 years on P99. Minimal poop sock with maximum gains in the raid scene. Fun times. Some big kills.

Many ex BDA are in Rustle. They all tell me the same thing. "The biggest difference between Rustle and BDA as a guild is competent and effective leadership."

[Ravager]

BDA achieved in a few months after creation on Phinny what Rustle never can on P99. No poop sock with maximum gains in the raid scene. Fun times. Some big kills.

[getsome]

Lets be frank any 20-30 people who can raid three hours at the same time 2x a week on Phinny can be farming Quarm in a few weeks.

[Samoht]

It's a good example of capable people choosing not to participate in the raid-zone shit-show hosted by Sirken and finding success elsewhere.

Rustle achieved in a few months after creation what BDA always wanted and never could in more than 5 years on P99.

You're leaving out the fact that when Rustle was created, everybody was already level 60 and raid geared. BDA was always just a stepping stone guild that many Rustle members themselves used to get ahead.

[Fasttimes]

It's a good example of capable people choosing not to participate in the raid-zone shit-show hosted by Sirken and finding success elsewhere.



You're leaving out the fact that when Rustle was created, everybody was already level 60 and raid geared. BDA was always just a stepping stone guild that many Rustle members themselves used to get ahead.

That's not totally accurate even those from rampage play new chars (mine didn't even exist till rustle). We have a mix. It's mainly just good leadership.

[getsome]

I fail to see how BDA was used as a stepping stone by Rustle. Rustle did not exist on P99 until a month after BDA left.

I actually play on both boxes. Each one is different and has pro's and con's.

[Samoht]

That's not totally accurate even those from rampage play new chars (mine didn't even exist till rustle). We have a mix. It's mainly just good leadership.

BDA was always full of noobs working their way to level 60, learning to raid, and getting gear for the first time. You're telling me that a bunch of players already level 60 and raid geared and a bunch of PLed twinks can do better than a bunch of level 46+ players learning to raid for the first time?

Go figure.

[Fasttimes]

BDA was always full of noobs working their way to level 60, learning to raid, and getting gear for the first time. You're telling me that a bunch of players already level 60 and raid geared and a bunch of PLed twinks can do better than a bunch of level 46+ players learning to raid for the first time?

Go figure.

We are full of noobs too I'm in it.

[Samoht]

I fail to see how BDA was used as a stepping stone by Rustle.

For the duration of Kunark, BDA's server status was the stepping stone guild to gear up and level players that already did not have a character to meet the requirements to join TMO/IB/FE/Foreskin/Aftermath/Awakened. You're not fooling anybody trying to say that none of those players eventually joined Rustle. It's just alternate reality.

[Ravager]

Lets be frank any 20-30 people who can raid three hours at the same time 2x a week on Phinny can be farming Quarm in a few weeks.
So what's your point?

[Fuddwin]

Lets be frank any 20-30 people who can raid three hours at the same time 2x a week on Phinny can be farming Quarm in a few weeks.

What if i don't wanna be Frank? Can I be Bob? Or Mike?

[Fasttimes]

What if i don't wanna be Frank? Can I be Bob? Or Mike?

You can identify as whatever you want. I fully support you.

[BallzDeep]

I got to page 4 or so before I came back to the conclusion that the whiners and people wanting harder suspensions are the problem. It started with they wanted a rule for this, then they want a rule for that, then they want harder suspensions, then they blame people who get suspended for the stupid rules they created. Then they create some more rules. If you would just shut the fuck up and realize there is people out there who will ALWAYS be more obsessed with you with this game and willing to play anyway the game allows them, you will then come to the conclusion that you are the fucking problem.

[BallzDeep]

Just wanted to say that Samoht guy is a mad fucking idiot.

[Samoht]

^ about as smart as a red player.

[dafier]

^ about as smart as a red player.

I like this.

[Legday]

I'm think I'm going to get pad thai for lunch.

I got a chicken salad sub instead.

[Skew]

Do not feed the troll.
You guys reaslise Samoht would start an argument in an empty room? He puts Alarti to shame.
Have you seen him and Alarti shit up a thread before? Stephen Hawking has a new theory thats where black holes come from.

[Erati]

I got a chicken salad sub instead.

weak - you coulda ate like a king!

[Fasttimes]

weak - you coulda ate like a king!

Spicey chicken sammich from chic fl a amirite?

[getsome]

What if i don't wanna be Frank? Can I be Bob? Or Mike?

You can PoT9 me after I die and stop giving me lip.

[Cecily]

I've always had respect for a lot of the Rustle leadership.

Yeah, you were always amazing at sucking up to Rampage. Was sooo cringey.

[Papa]

Lets be frank any 20-30 people who can raid three hours at the same time 2x a week on Phinny can be farming Quarm in a few weeks.

well yes exactly, which is why it's the elf-sim of choice for well-adjusted adults

[Pokesan]

Yeah, you were always amazing at sucking up to Rampage. Was sooo cringey.

[Comoc1]

Can't argue with facts. They were the most successful guild on P99 during my time. Didn't really play much (at least not at endgame) during the TMO reign where they pretty much got everything uncontested forever. Plus I raided with them (IB) for a bit and got to see how they handled themselves first hand.

If you wanted to be in a serious raid guild on P99 it was your only choice. Unless you're dumb enough to follow this clown as your leader:

http://i.imgur.com/vRLjGXJ.png

Didn't you say you followed Chest....................

[Legday]

Went to dinner in the North End of Boston. I had the veal special.

[Detoxx]

Didn't you say you followed Chest....................

Yes then he got cucked and rage quit lolol.

Was magnificent to see.

[Swish]

Chest might be retarded but he's not

http://i.imgur.com/vRLjGXJ.png

THAT retarded

How many threads has Detoxx had deleted this week? I think you win the special prize.

[wrighter00]

Sorry, Qani, I'm not sitting this one out, and I'll try to be blunt and fairly cordial. This post should have never been moved to RnF as it is a legitimate server discussion. Idk why some people get so sensitive about it. Communication isn't this server's strong point, that's for sure.

News flash. Some people kill things on their time. FoH and Venerate did a cease fire prior to any negotiations for this last suspension in good faith. Officers ran about to race lines and guild gatherings to say we were interested in working out a rotation for the suspension period. We were mistaken of the extent at which others really wanted to cooperate. Would that frustrate some people? Sure. Any of you who chose to sit on a race line or bring up the fact that things weren't FTEed appropriately are complete tools. I understand your passion for the game, but it's absolutely ridiculous that any person would choose the types of rules in place over being able to be open and transparent with others. I, personally, don't care whether any of you FTEed any targets appropriately for a rotation time. The only reason you have to follow that crap is because Awakened, Aftermath, CSG, and Rustle play into it. When you know that other guilds and players are eagerly awaiting a chance to petition you over a target, it ruins it. That's exactly how you get to a point where everyone is trying to pin point what rules are being met, and petition appropriately. FoH, being newer, certainly didn't bring about this climate.

I don't recall a time Fires actually petitioned anyone. My personal thoughts on that are that anyone who needs rules set it stone in order to coordinate with others in and open world MMO is on some noob status bs. Some people may be joining this server looking for Pick up raids, reliving targets, meeting and playing with friends. Not to join any of your shit sock guilds. As a gamer, it does make me glad that some of you can take Vulak or whatever target with x number of players, and get better at it. Guess what though. So can Fires and Venerate and numerous other guilds. So can people/guilds who have been on the server for significantly less time than some of you. After 3-8 years on this server, all the bragging kinda becomes "cool story, bro". It's not like classic EQ is the hardest game out there. Get 60, get epic, win. You'd all probably be surprised how little you can kill these targets with if you had the mob uncontested. I'm less mad than I am in awe of the attitudes and mindsets towards a simple game. Like people shouldn't be joining Awakened and then talking about "giving out welfare pixels" who someone like me got their epic for. Derp!

Either way. Fires and Venerate are pretty respectful and tight with each other because we can communicate. Think what you want about us, but it's easier to ask. There is no reason other people can't communicate with us, too.

[wrighter00]

Now for a little light hearted memery and trolling.

http://i.imgur.com/ZGZFCgL.jpg

[Pezy]

The fourth (current) suspension period started with Getsome being statedly unavailable to start negotiations, however, became available shortly after KT was fte'd by AG and killed by CSG after the suspension period had began but before a rotation was in place.

You left out the part where CSG broke the raid rules when killing that KT. Sirken was also there, watching. Will they be held to the same standards as A/A? Time will tell!

[Sun Mar 19 21:47:24 2017] King Tormax shouts, 'Those who raise arms against me will suffer my wrath!
[Sun Mar 19 21:47:24 2017] King Tormax engages Sadiki! <-- First FTE message (CSG)
[Sun Mar 19 21:47:46 2017] King Tormax engages Phlip!
[Sun Mar 19 22:29:50 2017] King Tormax engages Atomicous!
[Sun Mar 19 22:32:37 2017] King Tormax engages Rhaszar!
[Sun Mar 19 22:32:57 2017] King Tormax engages Phlip!
[Sun Mar 19 22:33:00 2017] King Tormax engages Painiac!
[Sun Mar 19 22:34:30 2017] King Tormax engages Rhaszar!
[Sun Mar 19 22:35:35 2017] King Tormax engages Atomicous!
[Sun Mar 19 22:36:02 2017] King Tormax engages Rhaszar!
[Sun Mar 19 22:36:07 2017] King Tormax engages Hollowlung!
[Sun Mar 19 22:36:35 2017] King Tormax engages Atomicous!
[Sun Mar 19 22:37:23 2017] King Tormax engages Atomicous!
[Sun Mar 19 22:37:41 2017] King Tormax engages Painiac!
[Sun Mar 19 22:37:57 2017] King Tormax engages Hematoma!
[Sun Mar 19 22:38:19 2017] King Tormax engages Atomicous!
[Sun Mar 19 22:38:48 2017] King Tormax engages Phlip!
[Sun Mar 19 22:38:52 2017] King Tormax engages Hematoma!
[Sun Mar 19 22:39:31 2017] King Tormax engages Phlip!
[Sun Mar 19 22:39:40 2017] King Tormax engages Atomicous!
[Sun Mar 19 22:40:12 2017] King Tormax engages Hollowlung!
[Sun Mar 19 22:40:21 2017] King Tormax engages Hematoma!
[Sun Mar 19 22:41:12 2017] King Tormax engages Painiac!
[Sun Mar 19 22:41:39 2017] King Tormax engages Atomicous!
[Sun Mar 19 22:42:11 2017] King Tormax engages Atomicous!
[Sun Mar 19 22:42:34 2017] King Tormax engages Painiac!
[Sun Mar 19 22:44:35 2017] King Tormax engages Painiac!
[Sun Mar 19 22:45:39 2017] King Tormax engages Atomicous!
[Sun Mar 19 22:50:03 2017] King Tormax engages Painiac! <-- WHOOPS! Over 60 minutes now!
[Sun Mar 19 22:50:19 2017] King Tormax engages Phlip!
[Sun Mar 19 22:50:21 2017] King Tormax engages Paridox! <-- Final engage, pull, and kill

If your guild/raid does not kill the FTE'd target within the allotted hour, when that hour expires, the target is considered open (not engaged) and can be FTE'd by anyone (except the guild that just had FTE), and then that new guild/raid with FTE will have an hour to make an attempt at killing the mob.

[Swish]

Amen brother. Anything that's not 100% lollipops and rainbows ends up in RNF or deleted depending on what mood the mods are in that day. I made almost identical posts in server chat twice cause the first time it was deleted for seemingly no good reason whatsoever and I re-posted being as polite as I possibly could asking if mods could let me know what rules I was breaking to cause my post to be deleted. They couldn't seem to provide any good reason so I think they had no choice but to leave it up. Once people started getting BARELY controversial it was instantly moved into RNF and merged into this thread.

Over-moderation has been a problem around here for a while now. I miss the good old days of tits and ass threads and being able to say the F word (Hint: Not Fuck) without people losing their minds.

The thread was copy and pasted to server chat for what you said was "more coverage", it was also a rant.

You wonder why it got merged? :o

Seriously, what an idiot.

[Swish]

Now for a little light hearted memery and trolling.

http://i.imgur.com/ZGZFCgL.jpg

lol

[getsome]

The fourth (current) suspension period started with Getsome being statedly unavailable to start negotiations, however, became available shortly after KT was fte'd by AG and killed by CSG after the suspension period had began but before a rotation was in place.

This statement is incorrect. Talks started @ 9 pm est Sunday and concluded @ 12:30 AM Monday morning with an agreement. The group of guilds finalized the agreement before KT was killed. Gogre was representing F/V in the talks the entire time.

[Culkasi]

Pretty tired of you idiots slanting CSG and putting us in same basket as AA. We have never played the same game as them (think our first ever raid petition is in the works atm), we've, unlike you, never poopsocked Fear golems on their temples, we generally always try to look out for everyones best interest. I know you've never liked us since we had disputes about Sky day, but this is getting out of hand, and you are really not giving me more interest in working with you but less. Also what Getsome says is correct, also, bear in mind, all these mobs had to die quick so we got this second round that is, as you will agree, very fairly distributed, before AA comes back from vacation.

[Culkasi]

People who ask their guilds to spend 8-10-12 hours poopsocking golems in Fear can't really claim to have a moral upper hand here....all we do is race for shit in our prime time, and then kill it - we don't WANT to race, but thats the playground staff has created for us, and we can either play in it, or make the smarter choice that BDA and Nemce has made

[paroxysmal]

This statement is incorrect. Talks started @ 9 pm est Sunday and concluded @ 12:30 AM Monday morning with an agreement. The group of guilds finalized the agreement before KT was killed. Gogre was representing F/V in the talks the entire time.

Thanks for clarifying getsome, as I said right below my post I'm sure that I got some things wrong. I did try my best to piece the events of the rotations through the past few raid suspensions including the current one together so people that were not involved would be able to understand the complexity of the issues we are dealing with and the progression of guild attitudes from first through fourth as they have changed each time.

[paroxysmal]

Pretty tired of you idiots slanting CSG and putting us in same basket as AA. We have never played the same game as them (think our first ever raid petition is in the works atm), we've, unlike you, never poopsocked Fear golems on their temples, we generally always try to look out for everyones best interest. I know you've never liked us since we had disputes about Sky day, but this is getting out of hand, and you are really not giving me more interest in working with you but less. Also what Getsome says is correct, also, bear in mind, all these mobs had to die quick so we got this second round that is, as you will agree, very fairly distributed, before AA comes back from vacation.

People who ask their guilds to spend 8-10-12 hours poopsocking golems in Fear can't really claim to have a moral upper hand here....all we do is race for shit in our prime time, and then kill it - we don't WANT to race, but thats the playground staff has created for us, and we can either play in it, or make the smarter choice that BDA and Nemce has made

Rustle: Avg raid size (9-70?)
Yelinak (w/ Anon)
Silverwing
Phara Dar
Gozzrem
Gorenaire
Lord Koi
Draco
Naggy
Druushk
Statue/AoW (w/ Anon)
Zlandi
Dagarn (w/ Anon)
Jorlleag (w/ Anon)
Lady N (w/ Anon)
Zlexak (w/ Anon)
Vulak

CSG: Avg Raid Size (70-120?)
King Tormax
Vox
LTK
Dozekar
Hoshkar
CT+friends
Dain
Klandi
Lady M
Lord Kreiz
Lord Vyemm
Sev (w/ Infernus?)

Anon: Avg Raid Size (20-40)
Statue/AoW (w/ Rustle)
Yelinak (w/ Rustle)
Dagarn (w/ Rustle)
Jorlleag (w/ Rustle)
Lady N (w/ Rustle)
Zlexak (w/ Rustle)
Telkorenar
One Fear Golem (Fright?)

Infernus: Avg Raid Size (unsure)
Eashen
VS
Sev (w/ CSG?)

F/V: Avg Raid Size (40-80)
Aaryonar
Cekenar
Faydedar
Xygoz
Trakanon
Talendor

Just to give everyone some perspective about the mob distribution on the first cycle of this suspension. These are just the ones I know of and there may be mistakes.

Culkasi I am sorry we have had issues in the past and that CSG in particular has unrelenting issue with fear golem socks. I have also told you that we would be more than happy to rotate golems if a rotation could be worked out. I have tried my best in my post to give an accurate picture. If some of the details are off please let me know. Additionally, I think we are all frustrated by the limitations of the server and respond poorly to people who should be our friends in any other circumstance. Personally, I am looking forward to giving Agnarr a try when it comes out. I know already there will be some differences, however, I think that a lot of the frustrations we run into here will not be an issue there. We have never been interested in racing for content, as that was not the same on classic as it is here, just doing the content itself.

[paroxysmal]

Amen brother. Anything that's not 100% lollipops and rainbows ends up in RNF or deleted depending on what mood the mods are in that day. I made almost identical posts in server chat twice cause the first time it was deleted for seemingly no good reason whatsoever and I re-posted being as polite as I possibly could asking if mods could let me know what rules I was breaking to cause my post to be deleted. They couldn't seem to provide any good reason so I think they had no choice but to leave it up. Once people started getting BARELY controversial it was instantly moved into RNF and merged into this thread.

Over-moderation has been a problem around here for a while now. I miss the good old days of tits and ass threads and being able to say the F word (Hint: Not Fuck) without people losing their minds.

@llandris should have dealt with the replies on an individual basis instead of moving the entire thread to rnf. It was probably too much work.

[Ravager]

Amen brother. Anything that's not 100% lollipops and rainbows ends up in RNF or deleted depending on what mood the mods are in that day. I made almost identical posts in server chat twice cause the first time it was deleted for seemingly no good reason whatsoever and I re-posted being as polite as I possibly could asking if mods could let me know what rules I was breaking to cause my post to be deleted. They couldn't seem to provide any good reason so I think they had no choice but to leave it up. Once people started getting BARELY controversial it was instantly moved into RNF and merged into this thread.

Over-moderation has been a problem around here for a while now. I miss the good old days of tits and ass threads and being able to say the F word (Hint: Not Fuck) without people losing their minds.

Under moderation has always been the problem here, imo. Instead of dealing with the trolling, the default response has always been to sweep the whole thread under the RnF rug. It was TMO's strategy for dealing with valid arguments that went against their interests for years. Don't like what someone is saying? Troll it until the mods put it in RnF.

[paroxysmal]

Remember this front page post? http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131586



Nothing has changed. Years later, the same couple guilds are shitting on each other for meaningless pixels under new guild names.

I recommend taking away Kunark raid content as well, these manchildren will fight over any irrelevant pixels.

Wiping Blue/Red clean might be the only other option for a true classic experience.

If nothing else that could help people move on that haven't formed lasting relationships with anyone except their pixels or give those that wonder why they are wasting their lives here an opportunity to explore other options/spend more time with the people that really matter to them.

I don't think that wiping blue/red would make things any better. Some, maybe a lot, would move on or quit; however, within a few months we would be back to a similar atmosphere with similar people in similar roles in similar guilds doing the similar old shit. They really need to look back on the roots of eq and the design choices the devs made to deal with overpopulation of the higher level raid scene on live, whether we want it or not, I think the server needs it.

[Llodd]

So what's your point?

That Phinny is waaay too easy and any bunch of uncoordinated badly lead plebs can beat it!

Seriously though, I rly wish they would make a harder version of Phinny and release the content a minimum 1 year at a time. Agnaar looks like just another phinny stopping at Pop - so underwhelming :(

[paroxysmal]

That Phinny is waaay too easy and any bunch of uncoordinated badly lead plebs can beat it!

Seriously though, I rly wish they would make a harder version of Phinny and release the content a minimum 1 year at a time. Agnaar looks like just another phinny stopping at Pop - so underwhelming :(

true, i think they are going in the right direction with this one though. At least it won't be merged fully to live timeline. Also it will include loy and ldon it will just stop before gates of discord.

[Legday]

Some dinosaurs often swallowed large rocks. These rocks stayed in the stomach and helped them grind up food.

[kotton05]

Gezz lol, kind of feels like CSG and Rustle have some sort of hidden agenda with that mob distribution. Talk about getting the scraps! :eek:

Come on. You'd shit a brick if you gave F/v 24 hours in ToV with almost everything up xD

They had their shot to to clear, our kill list is only how it is because mobs were failed to be killed. So in theory if Foh and ven was ready for ToV their list would of actually been beefy.

And qani wtf man. You want equal footing when you're just fear golem poopers. stop crying like you didn't have a legit fair shot to get way more than you listed. In the end once the suspension is done you're such a non factor to be making wild claims.

Its sad that you're making me want a/a back so you can retreat Frights tower

[paroxysmal]

We had maybe 6 hours with no Coth mages parked past Pom. We did what we had time to do. We spent a lot of time devising how to get from point a to point b and how to pull as well as how to crawl and learn spawn times. You certainly seem pretty affected by this Merkk have you talked to anyone to work out those frustrations?

In the end we killed 2 and left 2 up as it was getting late and we have jobs, spouses, children and other worldly considerations.

Fair shot? That's debatable.

[Mead]

Just to give everyone some perspective about the mob distribution on the first cycle of this suspension. These are just the ones I know of and there may be mistakes.


Gezz lol, kind of feels like CSG and Rustle have some sort of hidden agenda with that mob distribution. Talk about getting the scraps! :eek:

Why are you guys under the impression anyone around here cares how those mobs were distributed or if there is any sort of agenda lol? There's no rotation anymore as far as I know. And when there was, you still needed to compete to get the best loot. It's well documented at this point. This server has and always will be competitive, no matter how many threads or qq posts are made. If nobody told you this, let me be the first to inform you, you're on the wrong server if you think people are going to hold hands around here, sing kumbaya, and just hand each other loot. It's never going to happen. It's been like that since the inception of this server, and will be like that until it goes in the dumpster. And if you didn't know, they might not be A/A atm, but Rustle has some of the greatest neckbeard/poopsockers that ever played here.

[Legday]

Tyrannosaurus Rex, Velociraptor, Gallimimus, Triceratops, and all other dinosaurs featured in Jurassic Park other than the Brachiosaurus, did not actually live in the Jurassic period, but in the late Cretaceous period.

[Skew]

We had maybe 6 hours with no Coth mages parked past Pom. We did what we had time to do. We spent a lot of time devising how to get from point a to point b and how to pull as well as how to crawl and learn spawn times. You certainly seem pretty affected by this Merkk have you talked to anyone to work out those frustrations?

In the end we killed 2 and left 2 up as it was getting late and we have jobs, spouses, children and other worldly considerations.

Fair shot? That's debatable.

you had a more than fair shot. If those mobs were left up any longer they wouldnt have repopped before the AA ban expires and then you could kiss goodbye to this weeks welfare pixels.

[Cecily]

Rustle: Avg raid size (9-70?)

9+70/2 = 79 / 2 = 39.5

Said Cecily helpfully.

[kotton05]

you had a more than fair shot. If those mobs were left up any longer they wouldnt have repopped before the AA ban expires and then you could kiss goodbye to this weeks welfare pixels.

Qani you would of gotten eaten alive in kunark.

Rotations and agreements are something that's relatively new for the server. I saw aftermath come back and agree to one as well, went very smooth. Awakened of course doesn't want this but even they are starting to learn and I think that it's in everyone's interest to work together.

With that said..

...in order to be put on the radar you got to do more than poop golems. Progress your guild.

[wrighter00]

Pretty tired of you idiots slanting CSG and putting us in same basket as AA. We have never played the same game as them (think our first ever raid petition is in the works atm), we've, unlike you, never poopsocked Fear golems on their temples, we generally always try to look out for everyones best interest. I know you've never liked us since we had disputes about Sky day, but this is getting out of hand, and you are really not giving me more interest in working with you but less. Also what Getsome says is correct, also, bear in mind, all these mobs had to die quick so we got this second round that is, as you will agree, very fairly distributed, before AA comes back from vacation.


I'm not slanting CSG. Certainly not Europa or Omni. Never met anyone from those guilds who did anything questionable. There was never any hostility or bitterness about Sky towards Europa. We didn't understand why Islands weren't up when we got there for our time, and you told us. No one was ever pissed. We just realized that the Monday PM slot is kinda jacked for any American guilds and worked around it. We never looked at you in bad light.

My comment on the rule set was plain and simple. As long as people play into it, it's going to be real. Currently that list of guilds play into it. I don't care how you guys engaged KT, and I didn't stay to race you for him. That's what I'm saying. GG on the kill. As long as Awakened and Aftermath keep petitioning each other like children "telling mom", and Rustle keeps claiming that racing = godliness we're all stuck with this bs. I've read enough posts about how the server got to be this way. People who are putting way too much into a game that they seemingly think is harder and more competative than it is.

[wrighter00]

For the love of Karana, I can't understand the problem with farming available targets so that SKs, Necro, and Shaman can get their epics. No one has ever done anything except harass us for farming Golems within the server rules. Do you people want to follow the rules or do you want some sort of other agreement? Ever since I first saw people arguing with Chest, it seemed like either way people on this server were going to be miserable. As long as people want to and do sock golems, why do you think they'd care how you feel about it while standing on a race line somewhere is the world? If you think that somehow makes you better than a Golem socker then you are sorely mistaken

[Pokesan]

People who ask their guilds to spend 8-10-12 hours poopsocking golems in Fear can't really claim to have a moral upper hand here....all we do is race for shit in our prime time, and then kill it - we don't WANT to race, but thats the playground staff has created for us, and we can either play in it, or make the smarter choice that BDA and Nemce has made

racing is the path to the dark side, darth cuck

[Comoc1]

It's so sad seeing the casuals get upset over welfare pixels.

You're really staring to act like us. The pixel lust is strong.

[kotton05]

No uyan. Everyone is the same. Thing is we're just trying to make it less poopy for this small time.

If there is to be change a/a must be on board. Anything temporary will crumple but it's somewhat working and was fair enough to let all sorts of newer guilds see things they have never gotten.

[Pokesan]

It's so sad seeing the casuals get upset over welfare pixels.

You're really staring to act like us. The pixel lust is strong.

CSG isn't even slightly casual anymore. Why do you think nemce left?

[Comoc1]

I mean.. this is the what 3rd or 4th time this agreement has went down. It didn't seem like much salt was being thrown around those past times.

I guess I'm just being guilty of applying the opinions of a few to the masses.

TBH the agreement thing was nice on the social level but was boring AF. Literally no excitement in the kills.

In the long run I'd rather have a rotation system that a/a had to sit out of or similar to when am was in the agreement with vulak eashen Doze and kt being ran for. The double suspension rotation is bullshit.

[deezy]

Rustle: Avg raid size (9-70?)
Yelinak (w/ Anon)
Silverwing
Phara Dar
Gozzrem
Gorenaire
Lord Koi
Draco
Naggy
Druushk
Statue/AoW (w/ Anon)
Zlandi
Dagarn (w/ Anon)
Jorlleag (w/ Anon)
Lady N (w/ Anon)
Zlexak (w/ Anon)
Vulak

Just to give everyone some perspective about the mob distribution on the first cycle of this suspension. These are just the ones I know of and there may be mistakes.
To correct mistakes and add clarity

day 1 - No Agreement in place
Lord Yelinak (With Anonymous)
*Silverwing
*Phara Dar
*Gorenaire

day 2 - Agreement reached in the morning slightly after midnight
*Gozzrem
*Lord Koi'Doken
Statue/Avatar (With Anonymous)
*Dracoliche
*Lord Nagafen
*Druushk

day 3
*Zlandicar
**Zlexak (With Anonymous)
**Jorlleag (With Anonymous)
**Lady Nevederia (With Anonymous)
Vulak'Aerr

* Not listed in the agreement - FTE Mob
** No contest allotment time expired
Rustle had no involvement on Dagarn the Destroyer

[Llodd]

I'm not slanting CSG. Certainly not Europa or Omni. Never met anyone from those guilds who did anything questionable. There was never any hostility or bitterness about Sky towards Europa. We didn't understand why Islands weren't up when we got there for our time, and you told us.

That's not how it played out. Personally didnt get hostility but there was bitterness, atleast that was how it came across, and a level of coercion to try to get us to change our scheduled sky day that we have had for many years with no complaints. At the time we weren't even doing it every week!