Child's tear

[Throwawayaccount]

Hello,

I hope you all are having a great weekend! I just wanted to rant on here a bit to see what other P99 players think of the status of Plane of Fear epic piece attainability.

I think it's really unfair that guilds have to poop sock the golems in plane of fear to get a single chance at landing the FTE message. Aftermath and awakened have fear perma camped making it impossible for lower tier guilds to even get a chance on a kill. Its bad enough that they are blocking regular players from their epics, but i'm pretty sure they have an over abundance of child's tears in the bank and are waiting to charge as much as possible for each poor fucking shaman out there. It would be nice if A/A offered an olive branch to the rest of the P99 community by providing non A/A shamans the tear if they come along on the raid with them.

I doubt this will ever change with the current rules and mindset of the top raiding guilds on this server, but I hope we find some decency on this server at some point. Completely blocking semi-casual players from their epic to make more guild money is completely unfair. You're essentially turning the casual players into slaves to make more money for your guild banks.

Sincerely,
SadShaman

[Swish]

Completely blocking semi-casual players from their epic to make more guild money is completely unfair. You're essentially turning the casual players into slaves to make more money for your guild banks.

Sincerely,
SadShaman

It's always been this way. Even getting a rogue epic done a couple of years back was difficult with RMTers like Calabee blocking me from doing pieces I needed for mine.

[Stormfists]

Join red server. We pvp over golems every 3 days.

Endgame red raiding.

[Baler]

shaman epic is one of the most painful to obtain but it is the easiest quest wise.
I bought mine post update. Before the changes to the golem it was far cheaper. I regret not getting it then.

Also from my understanding (never been in a guild)...
Every guild on p99 are all selfish fucks.

Slurping on officer's D's to get ur epic is the fastest method.

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/4ptmOiW.gif

[LostCause]

save up money to buy it or join a good guild?


welcome to everquest.

[Swish]

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[Baler]

Imagine a high school lunch room..
Now imagine each guild sitting at separate tables in the high school lunch room.
Alliances are putting two tables together.

Do you think the "cool kids" at table A want to share their pixel pizza with the "fat kids" at table B? Fuck no.

This is something that has bugged me since the early days of mmos. It can even translate to life but that's another can of worms.

[Comoc1]

Hello,

I hope you all are having a great weekend! I just wanted to rant on here a bit to see what other P99 players think of the status of Plane of Fear epic piece attainability.

I think it's really unfair that guilds have to poop sock the golems in plane of fear to get a single chance at landing the FTE message. Aftermath and awakened have fear perma camped making it impossible for lower tier guilds to even get a chance on a kill. Its bad enough that they are blocking regular players from their epics, but i'm pretty sure they have an over abundance of child's tears in the bank and are waiting to charge as much as possible for each poor fucking shaman out there. It would be nice if A/A offered an olive branch to the rest of the P99 community by providing non A/A shamans the tear if they come along on the raid with them.

I doubt this will ever change with the current rules and mindset of the top raiding guilds on this server, but I hope we find some decency on this server at some point. Completely blocking semi-casual players from their epic to make more guild money is completely unfair. You're essentially turning the casual players into slaves to make more money for your guild banks.

Sincerely,
SadShaman

Hello SadShaman. You're obviously very casual and don't know what you're talking about and that's ok. It's not ok to talk crap when your ignorant. So let me help you have a better day and clear things up for you.

CT is a 7 day spawn. When CT spawn fear repops with the 3 golems and Draco spawning as well. A/A, being hardcore raiding guilds, will obviously go after CT and incidentally kill Draco and the golems in the same raid.

Here's where things get better for you. The golems are 3 day spawns. So 3 days after A/A dream crush you and clear fear you get a shot at your coveted golems again (there's really nothing stopping you to go after the repops when CT spawns other than your tears).

From Aftermaths side we do not track the 2x additional golems spawns as a guild and they are left for whoever and whatever guilds want to track and kill them.

#OliveBranchExtended

[Detoxx]

Aftermath never goes for fear golems unless CT spawns. Once a week. Thats 6 golems between we never go for so im unsure where you got your info.

[Nightbear]

name of this thread should be man's tear

[Savok]

It's me. I'm the one killing the other golem spawns between CT pops. WTS AoN's by the bucket full.

[bktroost]

Yes and our guild bank is brimming with our 0 shaman tears.

[Ravager]

A/A, being hardcore raiding guilds, will obviously go after CT and incidentally kill Draco and the golems in the same raid.
All the while it never occurs to them that they don't need to do the same raid every single week for a decade.

[Detoxx]

All the while it never occurs to them that they don't need to do the same raid every single week for a decade.

What else is there to do, oh wise one? Were built to be a raiding guild. Should we go farm Royals and Juggs for 5 years like BDA?

Maybe we can go to phinny and be the 74th best guild there like BDA?

Maybe well just make our crowning achievement in 7 years wasted on P99 an RnF thread.

Hmm. Options. What to do?

[Baler]

http://i.imgur.com/44xb7MH.gif

[arsenalpow]

Quarm on farm, just like 73 other guilds on Phinny.

[Detoxx]

Quarm on farm, just like 73 other guilds on Phinny.

You're doing so well, Chest! Im proud of you. Anymore people leave cause you LC yourself all the good loot lately?

[arsenalpow]

Yes, but Phinny is so easy it doesn't really matter

[arsenalpow]

I'm glad you have time to keep tabs on me between all the poop socking and pizza deliveries. Shows true dedication.

[Tupakk]

I'm glad you have time to keep tabs on me between all the poop socking and pizza deliveries. Shows true dedication.

Deep down he truly wants you to come back. But he is to prideful to say it so I will say it for him.


We LOVE YOU CHEST!! Come home!!

[Pokesan]

(there's really nothing stopping you to go after the repops when CT spawns other than your tears).



except A/A training the everliving fuck out of anyone else in the zone.

[indiscriminate_hater]

if only they had more clickies

[Pokesan]

if only they had more clickies

a rune clicky would do a lot to keep the trains controlled, that's true.

[fan D]

I am in Awakened and i just want to say you are a PUSSY, just camp a golem yourself loser

[fastboy21]

i don't understand the OPs problem.

Shaman epic is easily purchasable. the whole friggin thing. there are plenty for sale each week and plenty of lowish shamans running around with them (not alts in A/A, actual people who bought the epic).

If your gripe is that you want the "joy" of having killed the golem yourself and looted the tear in fear then you need to join a raiding guild...it doesn't even have to be A/A for shaman epic because the golems are 3 day timers, and afaik the poop sockers only go after the golems to do CT.

I wish I could buy my bard's or wizard's or necro's epic for 60k.

[Detoxx]

I'm glad you have time to keep tabs on me between all the poop socking and pizza deliveries. Shows true dedication.

Pizza gigs over. Was fun but now I got a job where I probably make 2x as much as you. Trade off? Cant poop sock as much anymore :(

[Baler]

My anger on this subject comes from the point of view of a new player. Someone who has spent a lot of time playing p99 but may not know the ins and outs of the server just yet. Shaman's epic seems (from that position) like it's locked behind a wall where only the elite can obtain it. And while yes it is an epic so it shouldn't be handed out willy nilly. It does seem that the pay wall is absurdly high and for those non guilded it's nearly unobtainable.

One of the biggest false senses of accomplishment is the shaman epic quest line. You can go through it start to finish, Sit in CoM, or do turn ins. None of which are difficult what so ever. So you breeze through the factioning part of the epic quest and then suddenly get hit in the face with said pay wall or needing a raid guild. I feel this leads to many new shamans or alt shamans becoming frustrated in not being able to wield their epic right away.

-- lost my train of thought--
Also shaman is played far more on p99 that it ever was back in the day. Prices for items on p99 are entirely made up based on perceptions and then cast is stone until they magically get lower.

Yes there are harder epics to obtain but that's irrelevant.
ps. I have my SoF, I paid for it. /shrugs

[Ravager]

What else is there to do, oh wise one? Were built to be a raiding guild. Should we go farm Royals and Juggs for 5 years like BDA?

Maybe we can go to phinny and be the 74th best guild there like BDA?

Maybe well just make our crowning achievement in 7 years wasted on P99 an RnF thread.

Hmm. Options. What to do?
...

Do you even read what you write?

[Tupakk]

...

Do you even read what you write?


Prolly not , he's to busy with that 2x money making job.

[fastboy21]

So you breeze through the factioning part of the epic quest and then suddenly get hit in the face with said pay wall or needing a raid guild. I feel this leads to many new shamans or alt shamans becoming frustrated in not being able to wield their epic right away.


How does the fact that (if you don't want to buy it) you have to join a guild that raids creating justifiable anger?

I'm not sure what you mean by "wield it the right way." You can easily get your epic if you want to do it "the right way" by joining a mid level guild that raids fear and going for the golems. Winning the golem kills isn't impossible on off CT days.

On live, you would have had to do the exact same thing...except much less chance of buying it.

If you want to seek a real challenge for your shaman there are plenty of other metrics you can shoot for other than getting your epic. Its a static server years after being stuck in Kunark...the epics just aren't the mark of respect that they were on live. That is the nature of the static server though, it has nothing to do with A/A being greedy.

[fastboy21]

How does the fact that (if you don't want to buy it) you have to join a guild that raids to get your epic creating justifiable anger for you?

I'm not sure what you mean by "wield it the right way." You can easily get your epic if you want to do it "the right way" by joining a mid level guild that raids fear and going for the golems. Winning the golem kills isn't impossible on off CT days.

On live, you would have had to do the exact same thing...except much less chance of buying it.

If you want to seek a real challenge for your shaman there are plenty of other metrics you can shoot for other than getting your epic. Its a static server years after being stuck in Kunark...the epics just aren't the mark of respect that they were on live. That is the nature of the static server though, it has nothing to do with A/A being greedy.

[Comoc1]

except A/A training the everliving fuck out of anyone else in the zone.

Pretty sure you've never been in the zone with us during a kill because you can't get to fear thru the RNF forum

[nhdjoseywales]

On phinny these are literally rotting in damn near everyones bank

[arsenalpow]

On phinny these are literally rotting in damn near everyones bank

I think I have one rotting on p99 with no faction to do it

[Throwawayaccount]

I think I have one rotting on p99 with no faction to do it

can i get you faction to do it?

[Ravager]

I think I have one rotting on p99 with no faction to do it
Chest is rotting on P99.

[arsenalpow]

Chest is rotting on P99.

Not wrong.

[Phatez]

My anger on this subject comes from the point of view of a new player. Someone who has spent a lot of time playing p99 but may not know the ins and outs of the server just yet. Shaman's epic seems (from that position) like it's locked behind a wall where only the elite can obtain it. And while yes it is an epic so it shouldn't be handed out willy nilly. It does seem that the pay wall is absurdly high and for those non guilded it's nearly unobtainable.

One of the biggest false senses of accomplishment is the shaman epic quest line. You can go through it start to finish, Sit in CoM, or do turn ins. None of which are difficult what so ever. So you breeze through the factioning part of the epic quest and then suddenly get hit in the face with said pay wall or needing a raid guild. I feel this leads to many new shamans or alt shamans becoming frustrated in not being able to wield their epic right away.

-- lost my train of thought--
Also shaman is played far more on p99 that it ever was back in the day. Prices for items on p99 are entirely made up based on perceptions and then cast is stone until they magically get lower.

Yes there are harder epics to obtain but that's irrelevant.
ps. I have my SoF, I paid for it. /shrugs

It's an epic. Epics are attained by the elite. That is classic. What percent of people had their epic in velious on live? A much smaller than have it here.

[Cecily]

It's an epic. Epics are attained by the elite. That is classic. What percent of people had their epic in velious on live? A much smaller than have it here.
Good argument back when TMO ran the server. Epic bottlenecks years and years later get to the point where it's kinda ridiculous. Solution? Luclin probably. So in other words, the situation will never improve. You just need the stars to align and get lucky or buy it.

[Tupakk]

Good argument back when TMO ran the server. Epic bottlenecks years and years later get to the point where it's kinda ridiculous. Solution? Luclin probably. So in other words, the situation will never improve. You just need the stars to align and get lucky or buy it.

So says the elite.

[Freakish]

It's true. I've seen Cecily run around with an epic for years now.

Disgusting.

[Fasttimes]

Epics are for the weak

[sezaru]

fill this bucket with tears and have yourself a weineken with some French cries lose bag!

[Doors]

Love these threads.

[Baler]

It's an epic. Epics are attained by the elite. That is classic. Not sure if you read everything I said. But I said this.

What percent of people had their epic in velious on live? A much smaller than have it here.That's false. Because p99 had been in kunark far longer than it was on live. There are far, far more people on p99 with their epic than there was back during live velious.

And since this thread is about shaman epic. There is a ridiculous number more shaman epics on P99 than there was on live velious. Because shaman is played far more on p99 than it was on live velious.

If you read my post you would have read all this. But I presume you wont even make it this far so fuck you.

[Swish]

The elite?

I don't think members of Aftermath. Awakened, or Rustle can possible get a shaman epic either, because CSG's sit on spawn points for full duration.

Want to blame someone, blame the casual guilds for poopsocking it far far harder than the top level guilds ever would. If it don't pop in an hour, we port out because boring and more fun buffing newbs.

Casual guilds are taking all the content u guys, they ruining it for the casual guilds u kno

[Murri]

wtb white dragon scale

[Maner]

Not sure if you read everything I said. But I said this.

That's false. Because p99 had been in kunark far longer than it was on live. There are far, far more people on p99 with their epic than there was back during live velious.

And since this thread is about shaman epic. There is a ridiculous number more shaman epics on P99 than there was on live velious. Because shaman is played far more on p99 than it was on live velious.

If you read my post you would have read all this. But I presume you wont even make it this far so fuck you.

kind of like how you failed to read his? he said there are more epics on P99 than there ever were on live especially in era

[Lhancelot]

The elite?

I don't think members of Aftermath. Awakened, or Rustle can possible get a shaman epic either, because CSG's sit on spawn points for full duration.

Want to blame someone, blame the casual guilds for poopsocking it far far harder than the top level guilds ever would. If it don't pop in an hour, we port out because boring and more fun buffing newbs.

This is the problem. Some of the fellas here think when I am calling people neckbeards I mean every person in every raid guild and that's not the case.

I understand that raiding is needed, team work etc. is needed to get epics, I don't have any issue with that.

What annoys the shit out of me more than any other guilds on this server is the "casual" raid guilds that are not casual at all.

They call themselves "casual" because they invite some casual players, but don't be fooled they are ran by some of the most neckbeardy selfish cunts on the server.

I have come to the conclusion CSG or at least PARTS of them are this exactly. They present themselves as being goody-two-shoes, but they are ran by some exactly as one poster put it... A "coterie" group of neckbeards.

Sure, "casuals" are in AG and Europa but they simply add to the zerg for the coterie group of leaders/officers/pals to run them to golems at a whim or any other smaller raid spots for their own self-serving purpose.

They got the entire guild drinking the koolaid, thinking they doing stuff for the entire guild when really most of the pixels fall into the pockets of the leadership of these pseudo-casual guilds. This coterie group basically operate on nepotism and make sure that their loot system favors themselves and not all members especially as they call them, "fringe" or "casual" players.

If you notice, the majority of the MQs now are sold by higher ranked members of these guilds like CSG, only proving they use their guilds to pocket tears or any other epic pieces they can sell to make a huge chunk of plat from.

All this does is make it impossible for truly casual guilds and players to ever have a chance at getting their epics done without having first to pay a selfish neckbeard from CSG for their epic piece because CSG leadership has tears on lockdown.

These dudes aint casual, not one bit. They are probably even more neckbeardy than A/A in fact. A/A have this bad reputation and part of it is of their own doing, but a lot of it is also perpetuated by CSG pretending openly that they are the righteous good casual raiding guild built for the non-neckbeards on p99. Total bullshit.

I can respect A/A and Rustle because they do not pretend to be casual whiteknights of p99 like CSG does. At least they have the balls to raid hard and try hard openly, and although I don't enjoy what raiding is here at least they call themselves what they are instead of lying about it.

[kotton05]

Replace CSG with fires/venerate , unless something has changed the recent times I've done golems ended up with foh/ven on spawn points. I don't think csg takes part and fires/ven are not a part of the CSG conglomerate.

So while I have my opinions about CSG (why stay so seperate?) they're not the ones shitting this up. All we need is sirken or someone change the golems to raid mobs which would make pooping them on spawn against the rules. Then it would be a race against 40 awakened alts they keep camped there for fires/ven ultimately resulting in them getting 0 loot again xD.. a real catch 22. Poop on brothers.

[Rang]

CSG has been getting all the non ct golems lately bc F/V is comprised of mostly employed, casual players that cannot field a force at 7 am EST on a work day. Sorry if we need to sock towers to appease the 10+ guild shaman mains who are new to p99 screaming for a tear. But yeah - it's all F/V fault, flame on Merkk.

[Lhancelot]

Replace CSG with fires/venerate , unless something has changed the recent times I've done golems ended up with foh/ven on spawn points. I don't think csg takes part and fires/ven are not a part of the CSG conglomerate.

So while I have my opinions about CSG (why stay so seperate?) they're not the ones shitting this up. All we need is sirken or someone change the golems to raid mobs which would make pooping them on spawn against the rules. Then it would be a race against 40 awakened alts they keep camped there for fires/ven ultimately resulting in them getting 0 loot again xD.. a real catch 22. Poop on brothers.

I know for a fact CSG does this. Know it for a fact. Been with them when golems were up seen how they operated. I aint talking from conjecture I seen it with my own eyes.

Perhaps other guilds do it too, that would not surprise me.

Point is, it's not A/A or Rustle that is holding the tears hostage it's "casual" raid guilds like CSG and whoever else may be following this blueprint for soaking up plats from tears and other epic drops needed.

They fail at raiding the best stuff, so instead they fuck over true casuals by bottlenecking the lower tier raid stuffs for their own greedy wants and desires, that being as much platinum as possible that they can force true casuals to pay for them.

There's two playgrounds of raiding on p99, stuff done by the high tiered raiders and then stuff done by lower tiered raiders who can't compete with the high tiered.

The problem is some of these lower tiered raid guilds are ran by these neckbeards who present themselves as if they actually are making the server a better place by giving it a "casual" raid presence but this is not the whole story.

In some ways it is true they do give some players an opportunity to raid who might not have the time to raid with the more accomplished raid guilds, but these same casual players only add a zerg force to the leaders of these smaller tiered raid guilds allowing them more strength to accomplish their goals which is to pilfer every childs tear and any other smaller raid piece needed for epics.

The higher tiered raiders only impact one another, these lower tiered raid guilds like CSG are actually hurting the true casual who plays the game as it is supposed to be played on p99.

Basically if you don't want to pay 60k for a tear etc., join CSG and then kiss the officer/leaderships ass and hope they eventually feel you have put in your time and they will consider letting a tear drop to you.

That being said, if you are a newer shaman and in their guild, don't expect that tear any time soon. You will first have to prove yourself worthy to the neckbeard pixelmasters who run the guild before they will let anything of worth drop down to you.

Sure, you might get some really awesome low tier armor pieces from Hate or Fear, but that tear aint coming until you have ingratiated yourself with the leaders of your "casual" raid guild. You will see many tears come and go in fact, before you ever get one. They need to get MQ'd for plats that go into the leaderships pockets.

[kotton05]

CSG has been getting all the non ct golems lately bc F/V is comprised of mostly employed, casual players that cannot field a force at 7 am EST on a work day. Sorry if we need to sock towers to appease the 10+ guild shaman mains who are new to p99 screaming for a tear. But yeah - it's all F/V fault, flame on Merkk.

I'm not blaming them one bit. I once led a guild who did exactly what f/v are doing. I'm just saying the last few socks I went to there was only f/v

[Samoht]

Point is, it's not A/A or Rustle that is holding the tears hostage it's "casual" raid guilds like CSG and whoever else may be following this blueprint for soaking up plats from tears and other epic drops needed.

They fail at raiding the best stuff, so instead they fuck over true casuals by bottlenecking the lower tier raid stuffs for their own greedy wants and desires, that being as much platinum as possible that they can force true casuals to pay for them.

There's an old saying that goes "Shit rolls downhill."

That implies that if you are treated poorly, it is likely that you will treat someone else poorly. See also: "The abused abuse."

If you're stating that CSG "fails" at raiding high end, do you mean that they are actually failing or do you mean that they choose not to compete in the trainfest that A/A utilizes to get their kills? Do you really think that if left unchecked and untrained in ToV that CSG wouldn't get any kills? I don't.

So they've found themselves in the middle ground. They choose not to play that way, so they don't. I can't fault them for it.

All I read in your post is envy, though. They have something you want, but you can't get it. Maybe you're less dedicated than members of CSG. You're obviously less dedicated than members of A/A.

But you're either going to need to join a raiding guild to get what you want or just deal with it. Complaining won't fix anything.

[Detoxx]

ITT:

BDA still sucks (even on instanced content)
CSG / FV poopsock harder than anyone else
A/A heroes of the server
Visc still num 1 French

[Lhancelot]

There's an old saying that goes "Shit rolls downhill."

That implies that if you are treated poorly, it is likely that you will treat someone else poorly. See also: "The abused abuse."



Comparing abused people to selfish neckbeards that hoard all the pixels because they had pixels hoarded from them is a bit of a stretch, but I understand your sentiment.

No matter what though, it's never justifiable to excuse bad behavior due to past experiences involving oneself being treated badly.

Sure, you can chalk it up as a possible motivation behind why some people are assholes, but this just shows improperly acting out of anger, immaturity, selfishness, and a total lack of empathy.

***So in a nutshell, basically you are saying A/A keeps pixels from CSG, so by default CSG keeps pixels from the most casual players on P99.

[kotton05]

ITT:

BDA still sucks (even on instanced content)
CSG / FV poopsock harder than anyone else
A/A heroes of the server
Visc still num 1 French

I can attest Aftermath does play with integrity! Hope awakened comes around.

Also the story's I hear from ex BDA are shocking, not suprised chest has led them to sucking even when they get their own zones.

Pooping will always be a viable strategy. At least now we have fte shouts. No longer will TMO kill shinko's VS ftes xD

[Phatez]

Not sure if you read everything I said. But I said this.

That's false. Because p99 had been in kunark far longer than it was on live. There are far, far more people on p99 with their epic than there was back during live velious

.

Not sure if you read what I said. Or understand it... I literally said that.

[Phatez]

TBH looks like OP was a troll post anyway. From this thread it seems like at least the following guilds kill golems.

AW
AM
FoH
AG
Venerate
Europa
Omni
Rustle

Those guilds also all kill dragons, giants, and other contested mobs. The days of this server's content been controlled by two guilds is over. Sure, 2 guilds get a majority of the targets, but these guilds all kill contested raid targets each month with success. During repops all of those guilds eat some cake! That's literally hundreds(more than any live server) of people who have access to the best items and ... drum roll... shaman epics.

If you want a shaman epic join one of those 8 guilds. There are wonderful people to play with in all of them.

Or farm velks and seb until you can afford it if you prefer to play with your friends!

Phatez

[Samoht]

***So in a nutshell, basically you are saying A/A keeps pixels from CSG, so by default CSG keeps pixels from the most casual players on P99.

No, I'm saying that CSG does what they can without having to deal with A/A. If them doing something means that you can't, you either need to join them or find something that they're not doing.

And quit whining.

[Ravager]

No, I'm saying that CSG does what they can without having to deal with A/A.

And I'm sure the more casual guilds do what they can without having to deal with A/A and CSG.

Whatever guilds are below that are probably in the way of even more casual guilds.

Becoming a warm body for the top guilds isn't a solution, it's just contributing to the problem of 100 people thinking they've achieved something by being the "best" at a nearly 20 year old emulated game.

There is no solution that will work without a server split, instances or lockouts. That or don't raid. Honestly, it's like 2 completely different games, raiding and not, and one of those games is actually fun.

[Lhancelot]

No, I'm saying that CSG does what they can without having to deal with A/A. If them doing something means that you can't, you either need to join them or find something that they're not doing.

And quit whining.

See, I do that. I level solo and group for fun, I buy and sell in EC, I port people for plats, I explore old dungeons like Runnyeye and Splitpaw etc. I do everything but raid.

I love how people like you call criticism of something they support "whining." Just because the raiding and neckbearding on p99 is as it is and you enjoy it doesn't mean it's above being criticized.

I will continue to criticize or whine about it as much as people like you support and defend it.

There are many nice things about p99 and I enjoy it immensely. The greedy selfish neckbearding is not one of those things.

[Mistle]

OP:

Ditch this shithole endgame and the embarrassments to humanity that push the maintained status quo. You hit 60. Congrats. EQ as a fun game on p99 is over for you. If you still have the itch, come play on a server that is actually fun when you get 60, be it Phinny or takp or p2002.

You are literally wasting your time for nothing now. Don't make the mistake too many of us did and think it will get better. It won't. The only way to win in Sirken's rathouse is not to play.

[Samoht]

And nobody is stopping you from finding out when CT was killed and appropriately forming your own Fear raid three days later or buying an MQ. That is what it is.

[Troubled]

Gimpatron strikes again.

[tobolamr]

My anger on this subject comes from the point of view of a new player. Someone who has spent a lot of time playing p99 but may not know the ins and outs of the server just yet. Shaman's epic seems (from that position) like it's locked behind a wall where only the elite can obtain it. And while yes it is an epic so it shouldn't be handed out willy nilly. It does seem that the pay wall is absurdly high and for those non guilded it's nearly unobtainable.

I'm new enough here yet... I agree that, after reading through the epics again after 16 years, that with the raid scene as it is that the epics can be seen as locked behind a wall... I also am not a fan of paying for MQ's or paying for quests. I'd rather participate in the activity of obtaining the item. But I also cannot spend huge amounts of time per week dedicated to a video game.

Detoxx asked what to do... There are a vast number of things that can be done. The question isn't what to do, the question is will it be followed and respected?

Bottom line is that there Is and ARE agreeable solutions. Back years ago, I played on a server that had a much different raiding situation at the high end. It left opportunity for all groups to raid, without a lot of trouble. But, what do I know?

[paroxysmal]

shaman epic is one of the most painful to obtain but it is the easiest quest wise.
I bought mine post update. Before the changes to the golem it was far cheaper. I regret not getting it then.

Also from my understanding (never been in a guild)...
Every guild on p99 are all selfish fucks.

Slurping on officer's D's to get ur epic is the fastest method.

In fires we use a dkp system with an accrued dkp requirement to bid on certain rare epic pieces. If you put in the time you will get it, there is no favoritism. That being said, the list is long. We do these because our members need them and this is the only way that we seem to be able to get them as the mobilization on pop by a/a/csg is way faster than we can muster.

There are entirely way too many people needing these epic items than the classic respawn timers are able to support on p99 and it is causing issues.

There is nothing stopping any guild from going in and sitting there and trying to get fte, just like at lodi no matter what guild is sitting in there.

We get some people that go in to try to get fte hoping that we will not notice and kill it for them.

Also, the broodling spawn seems a bit on the rare side, maybe 1 out of the 3 golems will spawn one and we VERY rarely get all 3. We are lucky to get 1 each week and thats putting in a lot of sock time for very little potential gain as most of their loot is trash and very rarely what we need, exacerbating the problem.

[Dallor]

Aftermath never goes for fear golems unless CT spawns. Once a week. Thats 6 golems between we never go for so im unsure where you got your info.

Full of shit. Ive seen you screaming that you are going to petition a casual guild, because they killed a Fear Golem that you wanted. Get off your high as a kite, retarded, meth addicted donkey.

[Maner]

Full of shit. Ive seen you screaming that you are going to petition a casual guild, because they killed a Fear Golem that you wanted. Get off your high as a kite, retarded, meth addicted donkey.

Was it actually detoxx? was it actually a AM raid or just a few members killing a mob that can be 1 grouped?

[Phenyo]

Everytime i get the itch to come back I read the forums for a bit and im reminded just how fucking laughable it all is.

[Whirled]

Full of shit. Ive seen you screaming that you are going to petition a casual guild, because they killed a Fear Golem that you wanted. Get off your high as a kite, retarded, meth addicted donkey.

This is the best post in this thread.

[kotton05]

Actually after they sock that long for epic they ghost.

A/a are not the ones shitting this up. Even if they join the sock with 1 group it's just 1 group of people not the whole guild.

Too bad some sort of agreement couldn't come to light amongst the guilds but I think the poopers (Fires n ven) already ruined the 24 hour statue rule. So I doubt anyone will deal with them when they're such a non factor in kael with such prowess to destroy something they're not even a part of.

Shrug I just see the poopers eventually joining A/a/rustle once they realize the poop can't be maintained and is for the non organized.

[Gumbo]

I've read many of these threads about how only certain guilds seem to raid the tears and I know the tear drops in Plane of Fear... I should know cause I can't tell you how many times I've been Spectre trained from players running to and from the zone.

So my question is are there any other raids in the other Planes or Plane Of Fear the only Plane worth raiding? I just never see people complaining about the rest of them...

[Mythanor]

Because Plane of Hate is poopsocked beyond poopsocked by certain members of a certain guild, who are selling loot rights to the highest bidder....

[Maner]

Because Plane of Hate is poopsocked beyond poopsocked by certain members of a certain guild, who are selling loot rights to the highest bidder....

you can MQ the most expensive pieces from Hate, who is selling loot rights?

[Mythanor]

Corrected.... selling MQ to the highest bidder. Potato, Potatoe

[Pokesan]

damn that's some good autism maner

[Maner]

damn that's some good autism maner

There would be an obvious difference, selling loot rights would mean you have a buyer already lined up and you are killing it for them. Selling MQ means you can continue to farm multiples of the item since you dont need a different buyer at the moment of the kill. But honestly, why is it so hard for other people to get the timer and show up 7 hours later to kill what respawns? there are safe spots to camp out that with a tracker allow you to cover the entire zone.

[Dreenk317]

you can MQ the most expensive pieces from Hate, who is selling loot rights?

Did you miss Sirfloppins threads in EC where he was selling loot rights to literally everything that dropped in PoH? And lots of good no drop items are up there, necro book and falchion to name a few.

[Maner]

Did you miss Sirfloppins threads in EC where he was selling loot rights to literally everything that dropped in PoH? And lots of good no drop items are up there, necro book and falchion to name a few.

When was the last time that post was updated or that you saw floppin up in hate? And all of the items he was selling loot rights to didnt total up to the mage staff.

[Samoht]

When was the last time that post was updated or that you saw floppin up in hate? And all of the items he was selling loot rights to didnt total up to the mage staff.

Where are you going with this? You've been proven wrong. Move on with your life.

[Maner]

Where are you going with this? You've been proven wrong. Move on with your life.

Except I haven't been proven wrong, people are just making accusations out of ignorance and misconceptions. Are you one of the mages who for some reason think they deserve to get their epic without having to work for it?

[Samoht]

Except I haven't been proven wrong, people are just making accusations out of ignorance and misconceptions. Are you one of the mages who for some reason think they deserve to get their epic without having to work for it?

Oh, no, you've definitely been proven wrong. People are actually trying to sell loot rights in Hate and not just MQs. There was a time when they would time the respawns and be there to kill them within seconds. If you were on the list, they would then tell you to come loot whatever it was. But here you are insisting it doesn't happen or loot rights don't exist even though you have no reason to say such a thing.

[Maner]

Oh, no, you've definitely been proven wrong. People are actually trying to sell loot rights in Hate and not just MQs. There was a time when they would time the respawns and be there to kill them within seconds. If you were on the list, they would then tell you to come loot whatever it was. But here you are insisting it doesn't happen or loot rights don't exist even though you have no reason to say such a thing.

you literally just said there was a time... i am asking when was the last time.

[Mythanor]

Except I haven't been proven wrong, people are just making accusations out of ignorance and misconceptions. Are you one of the mages who for some reason think they deserve to get their epic without having to PAY for it?

Fixed that for ya. (and in before you say it.... I'm not even a mage).

[Metham]

I don't understand OP's Problem, there at least half a dozen guilds capable of killing the 3 day golems, If not more. they can and do. not the top end ones either. go to the guild recruitment page. pick any of the guilds on the first page and join them. you're not going to go and get a golem yourself anyway. for the record, I got my ball of everliving golem off a 3 day golem, with a casual raiding guild, not A/A.

[wrighter00]

The Shaman Epic is far from unattainable. There are a lot of guilds that are able to and do kill the Golems. Be it by race or sock. None that I've seen are too obsessive with it.

Don't let anyone tell you that a PoFear clear for Armor, Minis, and waiting for Golems is any worse than Bard kiting a half zone worth of mobs around while rushing for FTE/kill for the sake of the "race".

Truth be told, any of the capable guilds can or will help you get a Sham epic. Whether it's for a guild member or it's for sale. There is one out there for you. TBH, I don't remember the last time I was in PoFear watching Golem efforts where anyone asked anyone else to team up, share, or rotate. It's always snipe it asap or piggy back to get it for your guild/s. A solution doesn't create itself.

[Phatez]

Did you miss Sirfloppins threads in EC where he was selling loot rights to literally everything that dropped in PoH? And lots of good no drop items are up there, necro book and falchion to name a few.

Seen sirfloppin on at all lately? Have you seen his thread in EC lately? I'd love to see a log of when the last time AM has killed a mob in hate. I was actually thinking of starting to put together a team to farm it since we have several mages that need epics.

[Westcreek]

It's an epic. Epics are attained by the elite. That is classic. What percent of people had their epic in velious on live? A much smaller than have it here.

Finally posting to say that this is dead wrong.

I was super casual back in the day, I obviously couldn't log on much early as there was only dial-up and I couldn't afford the insane prices to stay connected to the internet.

Even when I finally got ADSL connection and was able to play more than an hour or two here and there, I still was casual, and was only in the 5th or 6th best guild on the server. But I still had no problems getting epics for my alts, even the Shaman.

The "hardcore" players back then was nowhere near as rabid as on here, and you would often find raid mobs just standing about, and there was even healthy guild diplomacy, without having to be enforced by GM's.

A lot of my friends were all in the top 1-2 guilds on the server, and they all had jobs and healthy lives, they didn't live in the game like some people do now.

This is on the EU server of course, I couldn't attest to how it was on US servers.

[Westcreek]

Another thing to note is that multiquesting was never big business back in the day, the same way it is here.

Certainly you'd have guildies and friends helping eachother with MQ's, but selling them were nowhere near as widespread, many players didn't even know about MQ'ing.

[Gumbo]

I have to agree with Westcreek because I played live from 1999-2001 and I knew players who got to their epic level. They wouldn't even be in a guild but from word of mouth, they would be able to get different guilds and higher level players to help them because it was helping another player out and helping them get their epic. It wasn't about the whole "what's in it for us" or "how much you going to pay" thinking it is now with P99.

[fastboy21]

I have to agree with Westcreek because I played live from 1999-2001 and I knew players who got to their epic level. They wouldn't even be in a guild but from word of mouth, they would be able to get different guilds and higher level players to help them because it was helping another player out and helping them get their epic. It wasn't about the whole "what's in it for us" or "how much you going to pay" thinking it is now with P99.

This has nothing to do with epics or MQing directly though. It is a function of how folks actually play the game differently on p99 than they did on live. For a great variety of reasons, the core interaction of players is different here than it was on live.

So, even though what you're saying is true I don't see what it has to do with the gripe the OP brought up in the first place. It has to do with everything that happens here.

[Gumbo]

So, even though what you're saying is true I don't see what it has to do with the gripe the OP brought up in the first place. It has to do with everything that happens here.

Well I believe his gripe is that if you want to get your epic on P99 then you either have to join a raiding guild for a chance to obtain the pieces even if you don't like the guild or the players in the guild.

Or you camp an area over and over to make at least 40-60K to buy certain pieces to get your epic.

[fastboy21]

Well I believe his gripe is that if you want to get your epic on P99 then you either have to join a raiding guild for a chance to obtain the pieces even if you don't like the guild or the players in the guild.

Or you camp an area over and over to make at least 40-60K to buy certain pieces to get your epic.

And???

How is that not classic eq?

[Samoht]

How is that not classic eq?

It is. There's no valid complaint. Epics aren't meant to be easy; they're meant to be the supreme weapons of the era. Through oversight on behalf of SoE, some of them just happen to be easier to complete than others. But it really gets funny when people with easy epics start complaining. Tears about tears? Try being a warrior or bard.

[Gumbo]

And???

How is that not classic eq?

I played from 1999-2001, which I would consider to be classic EQ and I don't recall a single time during those three years that someone had to spend 60K to buy a tear.

[Maner]

I played from 1999-2001, which I would consider to be classic EQ and I don't recall a single time during those three years that someone had to spend 60K to buy a tear.

i spent 4k on a vox book for my paladin during your classic period

[Dreenk317]

Seen sirfloppin on at all lately? Have you seen his thread in EC lately? I'd love to see a log of when the last time AM has killed a mob in hate. I was actually thinking of starting to put together a team to farm it since we have several mages that need epics.

Sirfloppin? No, it's been a few weeks, but I'm not friends with him and know none of his alts, so doesn't really mean he hasn't been on.

And I hate to burst your bubble. But aftermath has people in hate quite often, so does awakened. I have a tracker parked their and I see them killing things at the fountain all the time.

And do it, put a team together, get your mages some epics.

[Maner]

Sirfloppin? No, it's been a few weeks, but I'm not friends with him and know none of his alts, so doesn't really mean he hasn't been on.

And I hate to burst your bubble. But aftermath has people in hate quite often, so does awakened. I have a tracker parked their and I see them killing things at the fountain all the time.

And do it, put a team together, get your mages some epics.

You see people with aftermath and awakened tags, neither guild however is actively raiding hate. There are individuals who go there to make plat. Just seems kind of stupid that you generalize guilds with over 100 members in them because you see 3 people with the same tag in plane of hate.

[bradburysam]

I dont begrudge any guild or individual who has access, camps or has the childs tear. If anyone does have one for sale and has max faction plx let attrina or geoffrey know. I'd love to make the purchase, fighting force or no. Thank You :)

[Amyas]

It sucks I have been after the child's tear for a year now....

This was not a issue on live.

[LostCause]

Hail, a harbinger of Fear

[Dreenk317]

You see people with aftermath and awakened tags, neither guild however is actively raiding hate. There are individuals who go there to make plat. Just seems kind of stupid that you generalize guilds with over 100 members in them because you see 3 people with the same tag in plane of hate.

I never said they Raid hate, I said I see them in hate quite often. Often there will be a group of them pulling nameds in hate, and killing them.

That's all I said.

[Amyas]

It makes me wish epic peaces where random rare trash mob drops....

[maskedmelonpai]

It makes me wish epic peaces where random rare trash mob drops....

thatd be awful :c make them triggered if it gotta be changed. liek maybe you get a map that show you the spot and using the map at the right loc make the rare thingy spawn. or maybe you get some rare kinda whistle or bait or something. lotsa ways to do it without
hammering you button for a pellet.

[Ravager]

It sucks I have been after the child's tear for a year now....

This was not a issue on live.

Live had all of its level 60's spread out over dozens of servers.

[Gumbo]

It sucks I have been after the child's tear for a year now....

This was not a issue on live.

You mean you haven't come up with 60K in platinum in over a year? What is wrong with you? :rolleyes:

[LostCause]

Seen sirfloppin on at all lately? Have you seen his thread in EC lately? I'd love to see a log of when the last time AM has killed a mob in hate. I was actually thinking of starting to put together a team to farm it since we have several mages that need epics.

are you really comparing live to now?


most people didn't even know wtf epics were back then .. you damn well you weren't racing to get epics soon as kunark came out for the FIRST time... how would you know where to start?

[Jimjam]

I can't remember if it was Druzil Ro, Seventh Hammer or Lanys, but I remember the fear minis seemed to be perma-farmed. Didn't get a tear for years.

[Amyas]

You mean you haven't come up with 60K in platinum in over a year? What is wrong with you? :rolleyes:

LOL I get to bored farming plat /seafurys are over camped here to =P

[Tetsuo]

Fires of heaven/venerate sock golems A/A aren't to blame for this one

[Gorillas]

All these sad loser fucks still camping the same garbage year after year.

[Throwawayaccount]

Fires of heaven/venerate sock golems A/A aren't to blame for this one



You're a fucking retard.

Do you not understand that awakened forces the kind of shit? Without socking golems, no guild has a chance because those losers are sitting in there tracking for the instant they come up and then trains the zone around while killing them. It's bullshit like that which forces guilds into socking this crap because they can't compete with the lowlife assfuckery that is the "elite" of this server.

[raato]

Aftermath never goes for fear golems unless CT spawns. Once a week. Thats 6 golems between we never go for so im unsure where you got your info.

Bumping this statement. AM sitting/camped out on top of golem temples tells other story :>

[Maner]

Bumping this statement. AM sitting/camped out on top of golem temples tells other story :>

When has AM camped out on the golem temples? They have done some optional golem raids since this post was made, but they always camp outside and zone in.

[raato]

When has AM camped out on the golem temples? They have done some optional golem raids since this post was made, but they always camp outside and zone in.

Yesterday/last night from what I heard.

[kotton05]

Yesterday/last night from what I heard.

I can't speak for awakened but aftermath Been pretty routinely afaik camping out inside fear. I was alil shocked that this was going on.

Quote unquote top guilds taking the slot of fires/ven in fear.

[Maner]

Yesterday/last night from what I heard.

Are you referring to alts or an actual guild event? There are no batohones or most messages to camp in fear or that fear golems were even in window. But I guess facts never stop people from generalizing entire guilds due to what 5 people out of 100+ decide to do

[Pokesan]

it doesn't count because i dont want it to count

[Freakish]

we don't camp out inside zones on top of golem spawn.

Yes you do you did it last night.

Oh that was alts it wasn't actually us.

Oh ok.

[Maner]

we don't camp out inside zones on top of golem spawn.

Yes you do you did it last night.

Oh that was alts it wasn't actually us.

Oh ok.

Aww I'm sorry that as a guild we don't go after the fear golems. However as a smaller group of friends there are some people who I guess camp alts out for the golems in fear now. Can't really be upset over a practice you started... AM said the golems should be considered raid targets from the start. Which means no camping in zone, but you can thank the people like FoH and Ven for how they are done now.

[kotton05]

Are you referring to alts or an actual guild event? There are no batohones or most messages to camp in fear or that fear golems were even in window. But I guess facts never stop people from generalizing entire guilds due to what 5 people out of 100+ decide to do

Dude it was all mains. Saw a dead detox and retus waiting to be rezzed into the camp out spots for fear golem spawns.

[Spyder73]

The top neckbeards in the top neckbeard guild like neackbearding items worth lots of money - more breaking news at 11

[Samoht]

lol @ the premise that "alts" don't count as organized guild activity

[Mead]

Anyone surprised Maner thinks he's slick? But just ends up getting dunked on. AM probably needs a new RnF PR rep.

[Tenlaar]

Our guild doesn't do this, it's just that members of our guild do this! But it's different because it's members of our guild doing it, not our guild!

[Maner]

Anyone surprised Maner thinks he's slick? But just ends up getting dunked on. AM probably needs a new RnF PR rep.

I don't speak for a guild again, generalizing a guild over one member... is this the same way you view other races too?

[Tenlaar]

It's cool guys, it's down to just one member of the guild that does it now.

[Victorio]

lol @ the premise that "alts" don't count as organized guild activity
Organized guild activity is something organized. Posted, tracked, batphoned, for dkp, etc. A group of csg camping fungi is not a csg raid or guild event. Likewise a group of AM camping golems is not an AM raid or guild event.

[Pokesan]

I don't speak for a guild again, generalizing a guild over one member... is this the same way you view other races too?

wow

[Pokesan]

Organized guild activity is something organized. Posted, tracked, batphoned, for dkp, etc. A group of csg camping fungi is not a csg raid or guild event. Likewise a group of AM camping golems is not an AM raid or guild event.

thought AM said they were raid targets?

[Samoht]

Organized guild activity is something organized. Posted, tracked, batphoned, for dkp, etc. A group of csg camping fungi is not a csg raid or guild event. Likewise a group of AM camping golems is not an AM raid or guild event.

I feel like if we take the words "batphoned" and "DKP" from your definition of "organized" guild activity because not all guilds use those, then suddenly it does become organized guild activity to agree in advance to camp your "alts" out at golems and then log-in said "alts" when your "tracker" announces their spawn in guild chat, vent wake-up, discord, unofficial batphone, whatever, as long as they don't send out an "official" batphone.

[Lhancelot]

organized guild activity...

Seeing that a group of guild members are communicating regardless of how, and working together as a guild, that indicates an organized guild activity.

FFS this is a stupid argument with a dude that loves to banter using semantics to try to bend the truth to fit his agenda.

[Samoht]

A raid force is a raid force whether you used a batphone or not.

[Maner]

I feel like if we take the words "batphoned" and "DKP" from your definition of "organized" guild activity because not all guilds use those, then suddenly it does become organized guild activity to agree in advance to camp your "alts" out at golems and then log-in said "alts" when your "tracker" announces their spawn in guild chat, vent wake-up, discord, unofficial batphone, whatever, as long as they don't send out an "official" batphone.

There is only one batohone used in aftermath. Optional raids are batphoned as optional raids however there were no batphones for fear golems...

Aftermath wanted the golems to be considered raid targets but the gms ruled otherwise. But now you're upset that a group from AM is following the example set forth by others?

[Samoht]

No, they're just calling Detoxx out for lying about AM not doing golems.

[Naethyn]

It is like the AM guys are just now finding out that it is only A/A who has to play by the rules.

[Tupakk]

isnt there some rule about if it's just one group it's not a raid. Thus you can camp anything?

[gnatte]

I was hoping for a good read but its just some butt hurt babies crying over fear golems. Please get more mad so this is better entertainment, thanks!

[Mead]

Seeing that a group of guild members are communicating regardless of how, and working together as a guild, that indicates an organized guild activity.

FFS this is a stupid argument with a dude that loves to banter using semantics to try to bend the truth to fit his agenda.

You pretty much hit it on the head.

[Merekai]

Yes and our guild bank is brimming with our 0 shaman tears.

Incorrect!

[arsenalpow]

Agnarr has instanced raiding. Play eq without nerds cockblocking you

[Victorio]

A raid force is a raid force whether you used a batphone or not.
One group isn't a raid force.

If something:
A: isn't batphoned at all or posted on our forums and is organized solely by a group sending tells to each other, and
B: has the loot is split between the group and does NOT go to the guild bank

Then it's not an organized guild event. Remember the OP was talking about aftermath the guild going after golems to bank tears and prevent other guilds from getting them. Perhaps in a guild with no organization then every time guild members group it's a guild event.

There are a lot of mobs we actively track (and pay dkp for tracking) and batphone as guild raids. Golems aren't one of them.

[Spyder73]

Agnarr has instanced raiding. Play eq without nerds cockblocking you

Tell me more about the cash shop

[Samoht]

Then it's not an organized guild event.

Is it organized? Yes. It is organized well in advance.

Is it made up entirely of guild members? Yes. And there is more than one group.

It is an organized guild event. Just because you batphone over guild chat or voice instead of the official batphone and just because you don't get DKP (even though you DO track it) does not mean that AM is not killing golems.

Because you clearly are.

[Pokesan]

it's not gay unless the balls touch

[Spyder73]

it's not gay unless the balls touch

I have contemplated gay not gay for many moons. The correct answer is "it isn't gay unless you get an erection". Soon as you get an erection whatever you are doing must be considered in a sexual context. Even incidental ball contact could (in my opinion) be non gay in nature. Just as a back massage could be non gay, a back massage could also be super gay soon as one of the dudes pops wood. 2 normal and cool pals wrestling and rubbing their balls on each accidently is not necessarily gay....until the wood comes, then its super gay and shameful.

[Pokesan]

I have contemplated gay not gay for many moons. The correct answer is "it isn't gay unless you get an erection". Soon as you get an erection whatever you are doing must be considered in a sexual context. Even incidental ball contact could (in my opinion) be non gay in nature. Just as a back massage could be non gay, a back massage could also be super gay soon as one of the dudes pops wood. 2 normal and cool pals wrestling and rubbing their balls on each accidently is not necessarily gay....until the wood comes, then its super gay and shameful.

sounds like organized guild activity

[kotton05]

it's not gay unless the balls touch

Just throw a no homo out there and it's all good

[MilanderTruewield]

Personally, the act of camping out characters at the golem temples is ridiculous. I was in Anonymous when the golems were originally changed. We and the other guilds competing were all camped out outside of Fear. There was another guild...I want to say it was Venerate, but its been a while and I don't remember exactly...but after getting beaten to the pull every single time, they started gathering their raid force on top of the temples. I viewed it as cheating, and still do. The fact that nothing was done about it just set a precedent, which is still followed today.

[Convict]

Personally, the act of camping out characters at the golem temples is ridiculous. I was in Anonymous when the golems were originally changed. We and the other guilds competing were all camped out outside of Fear. There was another guild...I want to say it was Venerate, but its been a while and I don't remember exactly...but after getting beaten to the pull every single time, they started gathering their raid force on top of the temples. I viewed it as cheating, and still do. The fact that nothing was done about it just set a precedent, which is still followed today.

well tbh I haven't heard of anybody actually poopsocking the temples in a while, and pretty sure Anonymous was the last ones who were doing it.

However Aftermath has a small contingent of unemployed officers and members who have had chars camped out in the southeast corner of the zone for a while now who log in for every single golem pop no matter what time of day/night it is so they may as well be poopsocking the spawns

You might have luck getting a tear if you are somehow able to move your char to that spot and log in after they kill a golem. I'd bet at this point all those players have tears and they are either rotting or letting broodlings despawn if they aren't destroying them out of spite

[stonez138]

It's an epic. Epics are attained by the elite. That is classic. What percent of people had their epic in velious on live? A much smaller than have it here.

So dumb. What percent of servers had kunark for 5 years?

[Merzenary]

come to red and pvp for golems, epics for all ur alts bro