Using sneak while FD will no longer work as a memblur

[Baler]

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[Mistle]

And lazy aggro is now live on p99.

[titanshub]

LOL. I mean fml but still.....LOL

It should be interesting for a little while.

[arsenalpow]

Is it a train if you pull some mobs, don't FD, and they happen to leash and end up walking into some other party and wipe them?

[kotton05]

This isn't that big of a problem I welcome it

[Freakish]

Is it a train if you pull some mobs, don't FD, and they happen to leash and end up walking into some other party and wipe them?

Yes. You aggro a mob, you're responsible until it's death barring any outside interference (player casts disease cloud to pull it off you and gets themselves killed, player pulls over you and you flop, etc).

[nyclin]

Is it a train if you pull some mobs, don't FD, and they happen to leash and end up walking into some other party and wipe them?

personal responsibility does not exist in the safe space of p99, a Classic EverQuest server where you can stand in the way of someone's pull, sit down to get proxy aggro, and then petition for being trained

[keyz77]

personal responsibility does not exist in the safe space of p99, a Classic EverQuest server where you can stand in the way of someone's pull, sit down to get proxy aggro, and then petition for being trained


True story.

[Skew]

Yes. You aggro a mob, you're responsible until it's death barring any outside interference (player casts disease cloud to pull it off you and gets themselves killed, player pulls over you and you flop, etc).

Stop encouraging him. He's probably contemplating coming back now just to petition every Nagafen and Venril Sathir raid.

[kotton05]

And root mobs on top of people then cry when they kill it at if ent.

It's like trying to draw a foul in bball around these parts

[indiscriminate_hater]

lots of mad already, looking forward to this

[kotton05]

Why would monks be mad, this is a whole new mechanic to train people with!!!

[Zekayy]

Dont care

[LostCause]

Only 6 years too late.

[EdTuBrutus]

This isn't that big of a problem I welcome it

It wouldn't be a problem if the initial chance of mem blur on feign worked the way it did on Live.

It doesn't.

This is very close to eliminating feign splitting without using the mob's reset point. That is most definitely Not Classic.

[Rygar]

It wouldn't be a problem if the initial chance of mem blur on feign worked the way it did on Live.

It doesn't.

This is very close to eliminating feign splitting without using the mob's reset point. That is most definitely Not Classic.

FD still has a chance to mem blur, saw it last night in action. Took me 3 flops. Praise be to Haynar!

[kotton05]

Only change is you can't be a one man show now bout it

[LostCause]

the only change is when you have 100 mobs walking back to spawn an you hop up with sneak 100% mem blur to single pull good ol times on the fungi island

imo made shit easy mode

[Jimjam]

Imagine the train hell in KC today as people get surprised by the new mechanic!

I even saw the following line uttered:

[Tue Feb 14 20:58:03 2017] Oadina says out of character, 'Lfg check, prefer ranger. '

Plane of Fire has frozen over!

[maskedmelon]

This make me feel like logging in just to travel around and witness the fallout (*ω*)

[Vallanor]

High Elf paladins with all starting points in charisma and in full charisma gear doing some classic lull pulls are the new monks of P99!

[Erati]

Imagine the train hell in KC today as people get surprised by the new mechanic!

I even saw the following line uttered:

[Tue Feb 14 20:58:03 2017] Oadina says out of character, 'Lfg check, prefer ranger. '

Plane of Fire has frozen over!

Harmony is best way to split outdoor zones now - Praise be Druids/Rangers!

[Jimjam]

Harmony is best way to split outdoor zones now - Praise be Druids/Rangers!

That or just rooting mobs at 30 sec intervals so camp just gets fed with mobs at the rate they kill mobs, aaah yea!

[kotton05]

I tagged vindi then flopped all the way to behind KT's room, figuring it's pretty far away and with new aggro leash. Being the only person in the zone aside from the gm who turned me into a gnome vindi wouldn't forget at all. 30+ flops in I could of pulled vindi to shield fuck. The roamer aggro is back.

[Lazie]

Watching a ToV raid with these mechanics was very entertaining. A++ to the staff for making it more classic. I think the dividing line between Good Monks, Decent Monks, and Bad Monks are very clearly drawn now.

[Daldaen]

Watching a ToV raid with these mechanics was very entertaining. A++ to the staff for making it more classic. I think the dividing line between Good Monks, Decent Monks, and Bad Monks are very clearly drawn now.
I think more importantly the calls from A/A to step up and compete are more reasonable now. Quite a few NToV bosses sat up for nearly 20 hours on Monday before they were killed. You just needed to crawl to them or pull them out. You didn't need to stare at a wall for 16 hours though.

We will see what happens next week when they respawn.

[Lazie]

I think more importantly the calls from A/A to step up and compete are more reasonable now. Quite a few NToV bosses sat up for nearly 20 hours on Monday before they were killed. You just needed to crawl to them or pull them out. You didn't need to stare at a wall for 16 hours though.

We will see what happens next week when they respawn.

If I had a raid of 28 people Lady M would have died so easy during all that haha.

[Lazie]

I mean no offense to the 2 guilds involved obviously Daldaen. It is hard working around 2 raid forces and not training each other. But if a guild had just started at Aary pit and cleared up either Kreizen or lady M would have been dead and probably both since your 2 guilds for awhile was just in each others way.

[EdTuBrutus]

Watching a ToV raid with these mechanics was very entertaining. A++ to the staff for making it more classic. I think the dividing line between Good Monks, Decent Monks, and Bad Monks are very clearly drawn now.

Absolute nonsense.

It is NOTHING like Classic to have a mem blur chance on feign which is too low.

No amount of skill makes up for broken mechanics. Feign on Live allowed splits of multiple mobs. With the additional nerf to Sneak *pulling*, not only is the feign aspect broken but in the 1 in a 100 chance where multiple mobs all forget the monk, there is then a pretty high chance a sneak pull as they path back will fail.

[kotton05]

I'm leaning towards it's broken. But I like it because before let to many shit monks shine. I pulled hate just fine hello earth staff but it's no longer easy mode.

[Lazie]

I'm leaning towards it's broken. But I like it because before let to many shit monks shine. I pulled hate just fine hello earth staff but it's no longer easy mode.

It's not broke. I played around with it on my Monk a bit. The sneak part is working fine. The things I saw out of all the changes that need to be adjusted is...

The leash range on NtoV mobs is too short (Maybe in other areas as well didn't check). You can Aggro Vulak currently and Lady M won't walk to him when his call of assist happens to his spawn point. She is the closest dragon to him. The Leash range for stuff in NToV should be closer to 1000 to 1200 range. The largest range being the Dragons. Lady M should most definitely Walk to Vulak at his spawn point if you aggro him.

[Lazie]

Trash leash range should be around 600 to 800 range FYI. Dragons had noticable larger leash ranges. All in all though it was a move to a more Classic ToV which is always good.

[maskedmelon]

you know, I been wonderin' how did dragons build their temple? They don't seem to have any clothes or tools or stuff and generally just eat and blow stuff up. what do they do there? how do they live in there? why they door so small? how do they make it around the tiny corridors in some spots? Are they like cats?

[Ravager]

you know, I been wonderin' how did dragons build their temple? They don't seem to have any clothes or tools or stuff and generally just eat and blow stuff up. what do they do there? how do they live in there? why they door so small? how do they make it around the tiny corridors in some spots? Are they like cats?
"--Dragons steal gold and jewels...they guard their plunder as long as they live (which is practically for ever, unless they are killed), and never enjoy a brass ring of it. Indeed they hardly know a good bit of work from a bad, though they usually have a good notion of the current market value; and they can't make a thing for themselves, not even mend a little loose scale of their armour." ~Thorin Oakenshield

[Haynar]

Trash leash range should be around 600 to 800 range FYI. Dragons had noticable larger leash ranges. All in all though it was a move to a more Classic ToV which is always good.
Leash ranges need tweaked. Probably on a per mob basis. But it is a good start.

[kotton05]

I'm just referring to vindi not ever forgetting lazie. The rest of it feels so good

[Daldaen]

It's not broke. I played around with it on my Monk a bit. The sneak part is working fine. The things I saw out of all the changes that need to be adjusted is...

The leash range on NtoV mobs is too short (Maybe in other areas as well didn't check). You can Aggro Vulak currently and Lady M won't walk to him when his call of assist happens to his spawn point. She is the closest dragon to him. The Leash range for stuff in NToV should be closer to 1000 to 1200 range. The largest range being the Dragons. Lady M should most definitely Walk to Vulak at his spawn point if you aggro him.

I think the issue with the Vulak call is that it doesn't supersede the Lazy aggro code when it probably should.

Id love to know where you're pulling those values from though. I know on Al'Kabor people tested a few of these chase values, VP dragons for example had unlimited chase range on there. Protectors of Growth obviously had unlimited (I wonder if PoGs are working properly on P99?). But I haven't seen anything that would indicate NToV trash should be 1000-1200. That seems way too large for the size of the zone.

[Lazie]

I think the issue with the Vulak call is that it doesn't supersede the Lazy aggro code when it probably should.

Id love to know where you're pulling those values from though. I know on Al'Kabor people tested a few of these chase values, VP dragons for example had unlimited chase range on there. Protectors of Growth obviously had unlimited (I wonder if PoGs are working properly on P99?). But I haven't seen anything that would indicate NToV trash should be 1000-1200. That seems way too large for the size of the zone.

Not the trash. I was speaking dragons with that range. The trash is lower. Just going off Takp I can leash trash in ToV at around 600 range and Dragons at around 1000.

[Daldaen]

Aren't the lords all permarooted on TAK? I've only raided WToV over there so far and not on a puller class so dunno what's going on there lately.

[Lazie]

That is based largely on the way Takp has pet pulling setup too Daldaen. You can put a pet 150 range from a mob...back the player up another 150 there and be at 300 or so range to Pet aggro a mob and then run. Get to west with it and have a person follow. Tell them to stop when the train leashes. You can guage the distance pretty accurately that way.

[Lazie]

Aren't the lords all permarooted on TAK? I've only raided WToV over there so far and not on a puller class so dunno what's going on there lately.

Most yes. Triplets, Lord Koi, Jolleag, Aary no. We pulled Jorlleag to the ramp down to PoM and he never leashes no matter how far ahead of him you get with a pet pull. So that is how I gauged the 1000. That and our Aary pulls to zone in there. Because on that Pet Pull the SK's are well over 800 range ahead. Also the Warders there never leash pulling them the same way.

[kotton05]

Just to add to this has anyone noticed your debuffers getting on top of the aggro list when they shouldnt and getting killed? I'm talking like after a mallet is in and raid engages then bam one slow and mobs on shammy.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

5 pages of L2P problems

[Sirban]

wipe this garbage

[Skuc]

I just want to see the original notes on this. Developer's Corner does not exist anymore as far as my shit research skills can divine. Where is the justification and more importantly ...Does live timeline show us that this will be changed again? I cannot for a second believe the classic era monks weren't in an uproar over this, which generally resulted in more amicable mechanics. <3

[RedXIII]

When Lazie try to act like he knows something about been a monk and splitting stuff... we know this server is going the wrong direction with the mechanics.

[Danth]

I cannot for a second believe the classic era monks weren't in an uproar over this

Why would they have been in an uproar? Sneak as it used to work on P1999 never historically existed in that implementation. You might as well be asking why Wizard's aren't complaining that they don't have /disc defensive. The bigger question is why such a mechanic was allowed to exist for so long on P1999. Seven plus years seems an awful long time to fix something as basic as pulling. This should've been addressed in 2009 or 2010.

Danth

[Lazie]

I just want to see the original notes on this. Developer's Corner does not exist anymore as far as my shit research skills can divine. Where is the justification and more importantly ...Does live timeline show us that this will be changed again? I cannot for a second believe the classic era monks weren't in an uproar over this, which generally resulted in more amicable mechanics. <3

The Mechanics now was the way the Monk class was in Classic EQ. They just fixed something that was broken.

[Lazie]

When Lazie try to act like he knows something about been a monk and splitting stuff... we know this server is going the wrong direction with the mechanics.

You are a moron and possible the worst player on this server. You did ride a lot of Coattails though.

[Skuc]

Your point is clear but show me the notes / archive. And um... Wizard's *what*? Apostrophes are for possessive, generally, not plural. Not the time and place I'm sure you're thinking but since that particular misapprehension is rampant I call people on it every chance. <3

[Danth]

Your point is clear but show me the notes / archive.

There aren't going to be any notes because the glitched sneak/memblur implementation P1999 had never existed in at all, historically. Not at launch, not in beta, never. That was purely a longstanding EQ-emulator-related glitch. Hence something that never existed won't have patch notes.....it was never patched out due to never existing.

Danth

[Lazie]

There aren't going to be any notes because the glitched sneak/memblur implementation P1999 had never existed in at all, historically. Not at launch, not in beta, never. That was purely a longstanding EQ-emulator-related glitch. Hence something that never existed won't have patch notes.....it was never patched out due to never existing.

Danth

Probably wasting your time man. This is RNF and over half the folks that play an alt as a Monk here (badly see Henrique) never played a Monk on live or in Classic. They can't even be bothered to look at the bug reports that brought about these changes on P99. Redwiz is a prime example of this.

[Skuc]

Ok then I do appreciate that. I did play monk on live in this era though and the "leashing" aspect is definitely not correct as it stands. I have no problem with the lack of insta-blur for sure, but there is so much time and effort required now for simple splits . It kind of comes down to: If monks don't have this niche anymore, what is our purpose? Hybrid rogue / warrior without spells? =P I promise you I'll beat this if I have to, but right now, it's pretty sad how mobs behave on sneak tag attempts and post-FD. Thanks for the input.

[Lazie]

Ok then I do appreciate that. I did play monk on live in this era though and the "leashing" aspect is definitely not correct as it stands. I have no problem with the lack of insta-blur for sure, but there is so much time and effort required now for simple splits . It kind of comes down to: If monks don't have this niche anymore, what is our purpose? Hybrid rogue / warrior without spells? =P I promise you I'll beat this if I have to, but right now, it's pretty sad how mobs behave on sneak tag attempts and post-FD. Thanks for the input.

Farm root nets. Elder Beads or stalking probes too. Makes pulling just as easy.

[spanky_kc]

Bio Orb is also a fun way of splitting mobs too.

[RedXIII]

@Lazie, stay on your TAKP piece of shit server, maybe you found the relevance there that you never had in p99.

Stay jelly and mad. i like it. <3

[bigjerry]

@Lazie, stay on your TAKP piece of shit server, maybe you found the relevance there that you never had in p99.

Stay jelly and mad. i like it. <3

lol look at this post then look at the dude's signature

no troll is this good. this is the real deal

[Dalven]

Your point is clear but show me the notes / archive. And um... Wizard's *what*? Apostrophes are for possessive, generally, not plural. Not the time and place I'm sure you're thinking but since that particular misapprehension is rampant I call people on it every chance. <3

Hope you're doing well Skuc pal <3

[Lazie]

@Lazie, stay on your TAKP piece of shit server, maybe you found the relevance there that you never had in p99.

Stay jelly and mad. i like it. <3

:)

Just for the record. You mentioned my name. I responded. You seem to be the person who is jealous and mad about something. I had to ask around to find out that you were a Wizard with an alt Monk in Awakened. I am sure lots of others on this forum would have to ask around to find out information about you. Now I am not saying relevance is a think people should strive for on this server because they shouldn't. BUT you knew who I was. I had no freaking clue who you were. I actually had to look through your posts a little to figure it out.

I see when you started on this Classic server you didn't know whether groups consisted of 6 characters or not. Yet you want to debate about pulling and FD mechanics.


<3

[Pokesan]

redwiz is the only poster worse than teija