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Maner
12-27-2016, 06:04 PM
Awakened was called out for having a runner past the line and was asked to concede, they refused and according to the rules they should be suspended not allowed to just concede the next 2 spawns.
as per sirken here:
Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?
A: If you feel that your guild/party has violated a rule, then you need to attempt to make it right. If you forfeit/concede the target being contested within a reasonable amount of time (before the target is killed and looted), the staff will recognize this and not take action against the guild/party in question. The concession or forfeiture of a target should be made by an officer or leader, and should be made in a public channel like “/shout” or “/ooc”, to ensure that everyone sees it. At this point the concession or forfeiture is official and cannot for any reason be rescinded by the offending guild/party, nor can any other guild/party refuse to accept a concession or forfeiture. If you have conceded or forfeited a mob, and another guild petitions you for that mob anyway, they will be punished for wasting the staff’s time. The staff strongly recommends that players take Screen Shots of the text proving the concession or forfeiture of a target has taken place (Note: if any guild/party tries to manipulate the concession or forfeiture of a target for any reason, ie: GuildA kites Dragon1 away from GuildB, then concedes Dragon1 when GuildC is ready to engage the mob, preventing GuildB from engaging, this will be punished. The point of this rule is to correct an error that your guild makes, not to help your pals, or hurt your foes. It is strictly to avoid a raid/guild punishment).
Q4: If we feel another guild/party is breaking raid rules what actions may we take?
A: If you feel another guild/party is breaking a raid rule, it is standard procedure to attempt to work that dispute out with the other guild(s) in question. The staff has decided that the best way to do this is to request the concession or forfeiture of the target in question (if it is still alive) as well as the loots (if the offending party killed the target). We greatly encourage guilds to maintain open lines of communication so that a speedy and civil resolution can be reached during a dispute. If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit that target, then have one person gather up the evidence and submit it in a thread under the Petition/Exploit section of the forums. If a guild/party offers to concede/forfeit their attempt at the target, you must accept this. If the target is already killed and they offer up all of the loots to the guild that was wronged, you must accept this. Refusing to accept a concession of the target (pre-death) or forfeiture of the loots (post-death), and then just petitioning them anyway will likely result in action taken against your guild/party, and not theirs. Please always take screen shots of these conversations to prove they actually did occur.
Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame, and so no guild will concede/forfeit. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should concede all the loot to the guild that was wronged, but they will also be forced to not contest for the next two spawns of that mob that is available to them. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum, and stating that they will not be competing for the next two spawns of that mob available to them, as well as requesting to have the loots removed. As long as the items have not been turned in, this will be accepted by the staff and not warrant a raid suspension. (Note* if the offending guilds actions effect another guild/party, but do not result in the offending guild getting the kill, they will still be expected to follow the above, except for the loot, as they wouldn’t have it) (Note* please remember items must be looted for us to have proof they existed, if an item is nodrop, a staff member can assist in the transfer to the wronged guild)
Note on Conceding / Forfeiting – You should concede a mob whenever your actions negatively impact another guild’s attempt at a mob, regardless of which zone the mob or the infraction take place in. Also, as far as what to concede / forfeit, if you still have a shot at the current mob, you should concede/forfeit that mob, if you do not still have a chance at the current mob, you should concede/forfeit the next two (it’s silly to try and concede a mob after you no longer have a real chance to kill that mob.
Note on Crying Wolf – if you request that another guild concede a mob, you better be 100% certain that they made an error, because if you make another guild concede/forfeit a mob under false pretenses you will be punished harshly.
Note on Lockouts – if you concede a mob, or are suspended from a mob, those mobs will not be the mobs you are locked out from, they will be in addition to the mobs you are locked out from.
Note on Rule Lawyering – I think the spirit of everything we are trying to accomplish here is pretty clear, and anyone that tries to twist the words to support and/or justify nefarious actions that go against the spirit of the rules posted here will not be rewarded. There will be no “technically this could be that”, or “well it doesn’t exactly say this word for word”.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189856
You were told your runner was off the line at the start, and refused to listen. You killed the target and now are conceding the next 2 which is directly against the posted rules. 10+ day suspension or the guides really are full of shit.
Are you also conceding the vulak loot as per the rules?
Prismaticshop
12-27-2016, 06:06 PM
Seems that awakened trying to dodge a 2 weeks bann lulz
SamwiseRed
12-27-2016, 06:10 PM
who cares?
Lulz|Sect
12-27-2016, 06:13 PM
I don't even think the 30 losers that play here read this wall of TLDR.
Bruno
12-27-2016, 06:15 PM
Try red
or Phinny
or any other game
Ella`Ella
12-27-2016, 06:20 PM
Did they kill the Vulakk in question?
If so, it's not necessarily a 10-day suspension, but it should be loot deletion.
Prismaticshop
12-27-2016, 06:23 PM
They told AM to fuck off , refused to concede , and killed vulaak/looted it.
Inc bann hammer
Phantasm
12-27-2016, 06:29 PM
who cares?
Seriously.
georgie
12-27-2016, 06:39 PM
I ain't reading that shit
JboxCSU
12-27-2016, 06:40 PM
Go outside nerds.
nyclin
12-27-2016, 06:45 PM
post the fraps
or, alternatively, make a worthwhile post instead of just quoting the raid rules
booter
12-27-2016, 06:51 PM
Consider phinny
Lulz|Sect
12-27-2016, 07:08 PM
I thought this was a red guild thread
My condolences if I hurt ne1s feelings
ismael
12-27-2016, 07:13 PM
thread sucks
Lobus
12-27-2016, 07:18 PM
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Doors
12-27-2016, 07:37 PM
Sounds riveting.
"Runner past the line" lol.
Looks like a two weeker not that I care (or the GMs so gg)
Kushie
12-27-2016, 08:13 PM
Is Everquest raiding still fun on p99?
Bruno
12-27-2016, 08:22 PM
Sounds riveting.
"Runner past the line" lol.
That shit made me lol too. That statement alone speaks volumes about how ridiculous the raid scene is here. Not to mention the manifesto written by Sirken to govern these clowns. I can't believe I once partook in these shenanigans.
Zekayy
12-27-2016, 08:30 PM
Did they kill the Vulakk in question?
If so, it's not necessarily a 10-day suspension, but it should be loot deletion.
Yes they also told us to fuck off and killed it
Maner
12-27-2016, 08:36 PM
there's no winning with you guys
they're admitting a screwup and you're responding by lawyering for a suspension
ridiculous
They were provided the fraps of them breaking the rules before they ever pulled the dragon. They refused to communicate and still killed said dragon after they were told to concede. Which is directly in violation of the rules. The current attempt to concede the next 2 is to avoid suspension and again circumvent the posted raid rules. the GMs need to either enforce the rules they have posted or they need to just get rid of all raid rules all together.
Maner
12-27-2016, 08:44 PM
post the fraps
or, alternatively, make a worthwhile post instead of just quoting the raid rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgvuqujIqvU apparently its already being posted around.
Ella`Ella
12-27-2016, 08:45 PM
Yes they also told us to fuck off and killed it
Upon review, they are guilty and Unbrella Ella'Ella, Esq. will not rest until justice is served!
Kodim
12-27-2016, 09:01 PM
Everyone has to run out through West to get a new sow.
He went to refresh sow, it popped, and figured no one would notice.
Ravager
12-27-2016, 09:12 PM
Anyone who raids here has shit for brains.
Breaken
12-27-2016, 09:13 PM
We did not know he fucked up. If Aftermath would stop asking for concessions on every single mob, their requests would have more weight. Unfortunately, we get the most outlandish requests from them, so we have to investigate. With so many mobs in window last night, we could not just hold the pull. For that, we accept our required two mob concession. Obviously, if we knew, we would have taken the single mob concession. To assume otherwise is just trolling.
jcr4990
12-27-2016, 09:17 PM
God raiding on this server is fucking awful. How can you people stand this shit? Give Phinigel or literally any other server a try and you won't come back trust me.
radda
12-27-2016, 09:29 PM
God raiding on this server is fucking awful. How can you people stand this shit? Give Phinigel or literally any other server a try and you won't come back trust me.
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LostCause
12-27-2016, 09:31 PM
gotta gear up those alts son
Kodim
12-27-2016, 09:36 PM
Vulak was the last thing in ToV to enter window, and almost everything had popped by then.
But you know, so many mobs in window.
Detoxx
12-27-2016, 09:36 PM
We did not know he fucked up. If Aftermath would stop asking for concessions on every single mob, their requests would have more weight. Unfortunately, we get the most outlandish requests from them, so we have to investigate. With so many mobs in window last night, we could not just hold the pull. For that, we accept our required two mob concession. Obviously, if we knew, we would have taken the single mob concession. To assume otherwise is just trolling.
Fraps x3 from all different angles were sent before the engage. "...so many mobs in window..." you mean...one? Lord Vyemm?
"...obviously, if we knew..." but you did know, just refused to own up to it.
Fragged
12-27-2016, 09:38 PM
We did not know he fucked up. If Aftermath would stop asking for concessions on every single mob, their requests would have more weight. Unfortunately, we get the most outlandish requests from them, so we have to investigate. With so many mobs in window last night, we could not just hold the pull. For that, we accept our required two mob concession. Obviously, if we knew, we would have taken the single mob concession. To assume otherwise is just trolling.
You guys didn't "fuck up", It's not like you accidentally fell with you face down into the keyboard while running out for SoW and by accident it happened to run you all the way to Vulak and FTE him. YOU GOT COUGHT FUCKING STEALING.
And when you were confronted with it you, you told us to fuck off.
One could also view this as tracker FTE, you had a guy beyond the zoneline when the mob spawned tracking it with bind sight as pr your own words, and said guy got FTE on Vulak.
If you get away with conceding two Vulaks that means that a guild can kill a target without following the rules, get the loot and then pass up on the target two times and do it again. Rinse and repeat, easiest way to lock down some Dozes and Vulaks going forward. Best deal ever, get one for every two you pass up. I might just make 3 guilds and just rotate the mobs between myself.
Fragged
12-27-2016, 09:40 PM
Oh and grats on the free loot.
Fragged
12-27-2016, 09:41 PM
Oh and grats on the free stolen loot.
Fragged
12-27-2016, 09:46 PM
I am rustled.
Supreme
12-27-2016, 09:50 PM
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fiveeauxfour
12-27-2016, 09:51 PM
future raid thread:
kittens who say meow concedes the next 2 doze cause we didnt understand we couldnt jav spam at the east door
fiveeauxfour
12-27-2016, 09:54 PM
"sorry, i didn't know i couldn't coth a fte'r here"
y'all can race for the next two.
we're really sorry though, promise.
Also, though we "apologize," we do not regret or uninformed decisions.
Fragged
12-27-2016, 10:05 PM
They get away with everything.
a) Membluring raid mobs (Zlex).
b) Killing mobs while having FTE on other mobs (Vindi before statue).
c) Eating other guilds modrods (were talking like 50 rods).
d) Flipfloping their view on the rules constantly, "you can't re FTE" "we re FTEed" - and manipulating other guilds to one ruleset when it's in their benefit and another when it's not.
e) Absuing FD mechanichs (not sneaking) to RETAIN FTE from a wipe and claiming it was obtained instead of RETAINED from the wipe.
f) Having their fear kiter use bladestopper after we FTE CT and then claim STALL and ask for a concede when all the mobs mysteriously run after their bard and not towards our puller thats standing in our camp waiting for CT.
Fragged
12-27-2016, 10:08 PM
"sorry, i didn't know i couldn't coth a fte'r here"
y'all can race for the next two.
we're really sorry though, promise.
Lol
Teako
12-27-2016, 10:17 PM
We did not know he fucked up. If Aftermath would stop asking for concessions on every single mob, their requests would have more weight. Unfortunately, we get the most outlandish requests from them, so we have to investigate. With so many mobs in window last night, we could not just hold the pull. For that, we accept our required two mob concession. Obviously, if we knew, we would have taken the single mob concession. To assume otherwise is just trolling.
You're out of your god damn mind lmao. You were 100% fine with cheating until someone showed you the video of you doing it... And then you killed it anyway. Eat the month suspension like a man you panzy.
Zekayy
12-27-2016, 10:18 PM
Everyone has to run out through West to get a new sow.
He went to refresh sow, it popped, and figured no one would notice.
-500 dkp awakened cant post in rnf
Zekayy
12-27-2016, 10:20 PM
We did not know he fucked up. If Aftermath would stop asking for concessions on every single mob, their requests would have more weight. Unfortunately, we get the most outlandish requests from them, so we have to investigate. With so many mobs in window last night, we could not just hold the pull. For that, we accept our required two mob concession. Obviously, if we knew, we would have taken the single mob concession. To assume otherwise is just trolling.
-500 dkp for yourself sir
Zekayy
12-27-2016, 10:21 PM
God raiding on this server is fucking awful. How can you people stand this shit? Give Phinigel or literally any other server a try and you won't come back trust me.
I tried phinny and didnt like it
Fragged
12-27-2016, 10:22 PM
Yet when we obtain an FTE (not stealing or retaining one). And we then have our rogue that was tracking the mob zone out, take the boat and travel to Crushbone to kill Emperor Crush in celebration, get a port to back to freeport and sort his bank and then run all the way back to ToV before getting a sow outside and zoning back in, and only then proceeding to sneak hide all the way to the mob we ALREADY HAD FTE ON.. Well then of course we get suspended. But yeah.. we get it Breaken, you stealing a Vulak FTE, being confronted with fraps of you doing so, then saying fuck you and running away with your stolen loot, only to come here the next day.. Well yeah it was an honest mistake. Your runner "fucked up". Opsidaisy.
Zekayy
12-27-2016, 10:26 PM
Gimp is the man
Fragged
12-27-2016, 10:41 PM
Shit I almost forgot
g) Zoning out an 80+ man raidforce when Cekenar was at 6% leaving him standing alone in west ToV only to start casting gate and wiping the guild that was fighting Vulak. And then proceeding to snipe Vulak claiming "Oopsidaisy we wiped to Cekenar".
Zekayy
12-27-2016, 10:42 PM
We did not know he fucked up. If Aftermath would stop asking for concessions on every single mob, their requests would have more weight. Unfortunately, we get the most outlandish requests from them, so we have to investigate. With so many mobs in window last night, we could not just hold the pull. For that, we accept our required two mob concession. Obviously, if we knew, we would have taken the single mob concession. To assume otherwise is just trolling.
How the fuck can you not know he fucked up? it was right there in front of the fte line you are the biggest moron on the server prob more bigger moron than chest
spanky_kc
12-27-2016, 10:53 PM
Usually Hjial's FTE videos pop up on Youtube in under 20mins after his gloried yellow text. Hard to doctor that cheat(Even had the stones to stop @ Ntov Door, Turn around then click off his AoN to try and act like a different person running)...have some damn respect for competition and play fairly.
Comoc1
12-27-2016, 11:08 PM
We did not know he fucked up. If Aftermath would stop asking for concessions on every single mob, their requests would have more weight. Unfortunately, we get the most outlandish requests from them, so we have to investigate. With so many mobs in window last night, we could not just hold the pull. For that, we accept our required two mob concession. Obviously, if we knew, we would have taken the single mob concession. To assume otherwise is just trolling.
This is a diversion tactic called "blaming the victim", which is obviously exaggerated in order to persuade others that AW is not in the wrong.
Awakened doesn't care if they're 5 or 500 body lengths over the line.
Seems like just another cut and dry illegal FTE warranting a 10 day + suspension.
- adding to Fragged's list -
H) Running for a low quality target (Ikitar), a better target spawns mid-run (Lady M), and continuing for the better target.
arsenalpow
12-27-2016, 11:19 PM
I'm not on the server anymore so I can't be the biggest moron. Checkmate.
jcr4990
12-27-2016, 11:29 PM
I tried phinny and didnt like it
I have a hard time understanding why anyone enjoys raiding with all this complete bullshit going on 24/7. Even when I played and raided on P99 I fully admitted how much it sucked.
Swish
12-27-2016, 11:30 PM
I'm not on the server anymore so I can't be the biggest moron. Checkmate.
No you got run off because your bloated guild somehow couldn't compete and all your members who turned up for the free rotation pixels started to leave when that was shit canned lol
sheepshop
12-27-2016, 11:34 PM
ps, Hyjal, I know you're reading this thread
I'm super fucking impressed you were even in the running with the rest of the crowd. Props that another chanter finally figured out wtf they're doing, even if you're a douche most of the time.
Lul alt tab jumping
fiveeauxfour
12-27-2016, 11:44 PM
everyone can alt/tab jump, but only a few can rile jump. its fair
Bruno
12-27-2016, 11:54 PM
This thread is getting better and better.
Detoxx
12-27-2016, 11:58 PM
ps, Hyjal, I know you're reading this thread
I'm super fucking impressed you were even in the running with the rest of the crowd. Props that another chanter finally figured out wtf they're doing, even if you're a douche most of the time.
Wrong person. Hjial is not Hyjal. Hyjal still terrible at fte.
icedwards
12-28-2016, 12:02 AM
To be fair, this has been fair game since old school VP races between IB/TMO. If PD was in window and a non PD mob spawned, both guilds would send a person or two to PD door, just in case.
Uyan's full of shit too.
AM sent us Fraps of Aikons and the rest of AM running for Iki with Lady M popping 6 seconds later. Aikons has his AoN illusion up, is seen getting hit by Aary guards in the combat text spam, but AM thinks it's Fingerz and starts sending their typical concede tells. Hands down my favourite AM crying wolf moment, I get a kick out of the fact that their warm bodies add that to their list of imaginary grievances.
Kodim
12-28-2016, 12:12 AM
This wasn't even an accident caused my vague rules.
The runner and the guild knew exactly what happened and still chose to kill and loot Vulak.
That's the kind of people you're dealing with on this server.
Detoxx
12-28-2016, 12:13 AM
I know they're two separate people, dummy.
In those fraps, he's actually in the running, which is a vast difference from his normal runs.
Hell, last time I saw him run he didn't even make it to Kallis in Kael for a Statue pop.
Oh word. Also the run for a different mob that spawned while running for something else rule was VP only. Doesnt translate to Velious.
Uuruk
12-28-2016, 12:13 AM
I can't believe retards still play on blue.
Detoxx
12-28-2016, 12:15 AM
This wasn't even an accident caused my vague rules.
The runner and the guild knew exactly what happened and still chose to kill and loot Vulak.
That's the kind of people you're dealing with in Awakened.
Ftfy
Kushie
12-28-2016, 12:15 AM
Is Everquest raiding still fun on p99?
Uuruk
12-28-2016, 12:15 AM
Planes of Power about to drop on phinny. Come raid the best expansion in Everquest and stop playing this cuck shit.
Zekayy
12-28-2016, 12:30 AM
I have a hard time understanding why anyone enjoys raiding with all this complete bullshit going on 24/7. Even when I played and raided on P99 I fully admitted how much it sucked.
Cause I dont raid on p99 I hardly log on
Teako
12-28-2016, 12:43 AM
This wasn't even an accident caused my vague rules.
The runner and the guild knew exactly what happened and still chose to kill and loot Vulak.
That's the kind of people you're dealing with on this server.
Absolutely. Willingly violated the rules, were told they were in violation of the rules, told to forfeit due to violation of the rules, acknowledged they were in violation of the rules.. and killed it anyway.
nyclin
12-28-2016, 01:01 AM
AM asks for concessions on like 1/3 of the raid engages on any given repop cycle, not a big surprise that AW told them to fuck off initially especially considering Detoxx's nuanced approach to diplomacy
It's just amazing to me that you guys actually enjoy watching the unchanging screen for 0-16 hours, then playing a (bad) racing game for 30 seconds, and finally rule lawyering over fraps.
raato
12-28-2016, 03:49 AM
Remove all raid rules or enforce rotation on everything!
Either go full PVP on raid scene or full PVE. Not something retarded in between.
Metalopolis
12-28-2016, 04:10 AM
Ehh ya know what they say.....
A Vulak in camp is worth two on the phone!
colicab
12-28-2016, 05:32 AM
I have heard stories of yore. Old VT on this server with no CSR. Make ToV great again, remove CSR and let the train fest meta game commence.
Fragged
12-28-2016, 06:52 AM
Uyan's full of shit too.
AM sent us Fraps of Aikons and the rest of AM running for Iki with Lady M popping 6 seconds later. Aikons has his AoN illusion up, is seen getting hit by Aary guards in the combat text spam, but AM thinks it's Fingerz and starts sending their typical concede tells. Hands down my favourite AM crying wolf moment, I get a kick out of the fact that their warm bodies add that to their list of imaginary grievances.
We don't track Iki 99% of the time, and started to run when we saw Awakend run, scrambling to figure out what had spawned. Just like the time when you juked us over the ledge at Aary and TLed out.
ismael
12-28-2016, 07:10 AM
Fragged = Aikons
Swish
12-28-2016, 07:36 AM
So Aikons was a spy in Europa? The plot thickens.
Secrets
12-28-2016, 08:22 AM
Why hasn't a rotation happened yet, jesus christ, this is pure aids
Swish
12-28-2016, 08:41 AM
Why hasn't a rotation happened yet, jesus christ, this is pure aids
o now you've done it.
Live feed from Chest's keyboard... http://i.imgur.com/5MUJ4zq.gif
:o
derpcake
12-28-2016, 08:47 AM
Why hasn't wipe happened, jesus christ, this is pure aids
Legday
12-28-2016, 09:18 AM
Breaken you're so full of shit, as usual, that I almost believe that you think you're telling the truth. ~10 Awakened runners watch Hjial disappear over the top step before anybody else moves an inch off the line, and you're trying to say you didn't know Hjial was illegal? If we did this, our Teamspeak would explode with our members letting us know what happened and we wouldn't even think about kill first, fraps later. I'm just shocked you finally saw fraps that were so damning that you did concede. Props for that, little guy.
Just the latest asterisk in a long line of Awakened claiming kills after they've been conditioned to know however clear cut their rule breaking was, they don't get suspended.
The best is their guild thread where their usual feety pajama members tried to act like they were clean until Breaken conceded 2. We didn't know! We didn't have perfect fraps yet!
Uuruk
12-28-2016, 09:22 AM
Breaken you're so full of shit, as usual, that I almost believe that you think you're telling the truth. ~10 Awakened runners watch Hjial disappear over the top step before anybody else moves an inch off the line, and you're trying to say you didn't know Hjial was illegal? If we did this, our Teamspeak would explode with our members letting us know what happened and we wouldn't even think about kill first, fraps later. I'm just shocked you finally saw fraps that were so damning that you did concede. Props for that, little guy.
Just the latest asterisk in a long line of Awakened claiming kills after they've been conditioned to know however clear cut their rule breaking was, they don't get suspended.
The best is their guild thread where their usual feety pajama members tried to act like they were clean until Breaken conceded 2. We didn't know! We didn't have perfect fraps yet!
No one is reading this you fucking loser.
nhdjoseywales
12-28-2016, 09:30 AM
I have a hard time understanding why anyone enjoys raiding with all this complete bullshit going on 24/7. Even when I played and raided on P99 I fully admitted how much it sucked.
I was guilded with Zekay on p99, he is a special kind of stupid.
Valakut
12-28-2016, 10:02 AM
Is Everquest raiding still fun on p99?
Whirled
12-28-2016, 10:09 AM
Imagine the effort put into all of this. Now imagine putting that effort into something that actually means something.
JboxCSU
12-28-2016, 10:19 AM
It's just amazing to me that you guys actually enjoy watching the unchanging screen for 0-16 hours, then playing a (bad) racing game for 30 seconds, and finally rule lawyering over fraps.
Uuruk
12-28-2016, 10:22 AM
Imagine the effort put into all of this. Now imagine putting that effort into something that actually means something.
Vianna
12-28-2016, 10:28 AM
You guys didn't "fuck up", It's not like you accidentally fell with you face down into the keyboard while running out for SoW and by accident it happened to run you all the way to Vulak and FTE him. YOU GOT COUGHT FUCKING STEALING.
And when you were confronted with it you, you told us to fuck off.
One could also view this as tracker FTE, you had a guy beyond the zoneline when the mob spawned tracking it with bind sight as pr your own words, and said guy got FTE on Vulak.
If you get away with conceding two Vulaks that means that a guild can kill a target without following the rules, get the loot and then pass up on the target two times and do it again. Rinse and repeat, easiest way to lock down some Dozes and Vulaks going forward. Best deal ever, get one for every two you pass up. I might just make 3 guilds and just rotate the mobs between myself.
Underrated post.
nyclin
12-28-2016, 10:38 AM
We didn't know! We didn't have perfect fraps yet!
with such skilled diplomats as Conda and Detoxx on your side, why would anyone ever reject one of your claims on its face? i really have no idea....
Diplomacy and Raiding on Project 1999, A Vignette by Nyclin:
/t hjial were you over the line?
Hjial tells you, 'nope'
/t detoxx hjial says he wasn't over the line, we'll wait for fraps
Detoxx tells you, 'FUCK YOU CONCEDE CHEATING SHIT'
Detoxx tells you, 'fucking scumbag assholes'
Detoxx tells you, 'CONCPDE'
Detoxx tells you, 'CONCPDE'
Detoxx tells you, 'CONCPDE'
Detoxx tells you, 'CONCPDE'
Detoxx tells you, 'CONCPDE'
Tankdan
12-28-2016, 10:43 AM
I always laughed at this scenario
>Blatantly violate a Rule
>Ignore other guild, kill your illegal target
>Concede 2 targets.
= Free 1 mob out of 3 without having to put any effort in
As for him jumping the gun, someone yelled "VULAK POP" accidentally and it happened to spawn 3 seconds later?
Vianna
12-28-2016, 10:50 AM
with such skilled diplomats as Conda and Detoxx on your side, why would anyone ever reject one of your claims on its face? i really have no idea....
Diplomacy and Raiding on Project 1999, A Vignette by Nyclin:
/t hjial were you over the line?
Hjial tells you, 'nope'
/t detoxx hjial says he wasn't over the line, we'll wait for fraps
Detoxx tells you, 'FUCK YOU CONCEDE CHEATING SHIT'
Detoxx tells you, 'fucking scumbag assholes'
Detoxx tells you, 'CONCPDE'
Detoxx tells you, 'CONCPDE'
Detoxx tells you, 'CONCPDE'
Detoxx tells you, 'CONCPDE'
Detoxx tells you, 'CONCPDE'
Show the legit conversation from the time in question and not things you make up to spin your cheating.
Legday
12-28-2016, 11:02 AM
Smaller guilds should start doing this kinda stuff. Guarantee yourself 1 out of every 3 spawns. 10% of the effort, 33% of the spawns. Not a bad trade-off.
Right? Stand at Aary steps and have a guildie let you know when everyone starts running. Free 1 out of every 3 Vulak. No hard work.
Suspend these shitheads for continuously pulling this nonsense. Bend the rules as far as they can every week and I can hardly blame them for thinking they can continue to get away with it.
Lazie
12-28-2016, 11:21 AM
I have heard stories of yore. Old VT on this server with no CSR. Make ToV great again, remove CSR and let the train fest meta game commence.
Awakened would lose this scenario hard. All the people that would win in this scenario are either in Rustle or Aftermath or they are retired from the server. A few of you Pals should come play with me Hagz and Scryll and get out of this insane asylum for a bit.
FatMice
12-28-2016, 11:22 AM
Awakened would lose this scenario hard. All the people that would win in this scenario are either in Rustle or Aftermath or they are retired from the server. A few of you Pals should come play with me Hagz and Scryll and get out of this insane asylum for a bit.
Phinny?
Lazie
12-28-2016, 11:24 AM
Phinny?
Nah playing on Takproject atm. Hagz got his shroud last week.
Uuruk
12-28-2016, 11:36 AM
Nah playing on Takproject atm. Hagz got his shroud last week.
Lol Tak project aka cuck server with 30 players.
t3kn34k
12-28-2016, 12:07 PM
i smell showeq
http://i.imgur.com/0O4YTbF.png
Lazie
12-28-2016, 12:14 PM
Lol Tak project aka cuck server with 30 players.
Says the king cuck on red server haha
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 12:31 PM
Just wanted to say you idiots are all the same. AM or Awakened, it makes no difference. AM complaining about Awakened wanting free mobs when 2 free Vulak's (They are like 1/10 on the past Vulaks) are being offered and they want a full on suspension so they don't have to compete for anything else. Pot meet kettle. Between this and the AM hate thread, it proves both guilds do the exact same shit to get an upper hand and feel better that they dominated the competition.
Teako
12-28-2016, 12:33 PM
If you're waiting for someone to show you irrevocable proof that you are by far and large cheating to acquire a target.. or that you are constantly training the shit out of other guilds to take targets from them (Zlandi. lol.) -- your guild is garbage.
Awakened's "take what you want by any means necessary, only concede a day later IF there's indisputable proof" mentality is completely ridiculous. Staff needs to step in and have a chat with the leadership of Awakened over the number of proven egregious violations, and then the number of implied violations that don't have "crystal clear video proof."
Understand, you are the problem child cheating to win on the playground. Eventually the teacher needs to step in and handle the situation.
So can we run from wherever we like now and then concede two mobs? I'll see you at PoM cubby next Monday.
Vianna
12-28-2016, 12:43 PM
Just wanted to say you idiots are all the same. AM or Awakened, it makes no difference. AM complaining about Awakened wanting free mobs when 2 free Vulak's (They are like 1/10 on the past Vulaks) are being offered and they want a full on suspension so they don't have to compete for anything else. Pot meet kettle. Between this and the AM hate thread, it proves both guilds do the exact same shit to get an upper hand and feel better that they dominated the competition.
More than Awakened and Aftermath raid on this server. A 2 mob concession for blatantly breaking rules to reward Aftermath solely just doesn't seem like it is ever going to fly with the current system Sirken has in place. I suspect Awakened is about to eat a pretty significant suspension.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 12:44 PM
I wonder how many mobs CSG will see with the suspension and they definitely seem like the ones gunning for it right?
Vianna
12-28-2016, 12:49 PM
I wonder how many mobs CSG will see with the suspension and they definitely seem like the ones gunning for it right?
Simple solution to avoid suspensions. Don't break the rules. Your guild wouldn't be in this situation if they followed them.
Bruno
12-28-2016, 12:50 PM
I have heard stories of yore. Old VT on this server with no CSR. Make ToV great again, remove CSR and let the train fest meta game commence.
Old VP*, yes. Honestly, that's what they should do, but I doubt it will ever happen. Let the casuals enjoy classic EQ and the top tier raiders destroy each other for the next 10 years.
At this point it would seem staff want to be involved in this madness or else they would just say fend for yourselves. Nobody would unwillingly subject themselves to this madness.
Amyas
12-28-2016, 01:00 PM
Planes of Power about to drop on phinny. Come raid the best expansion in Everquest and stop playing this cuck shit.
Ew noooooo Luclin was the last of EQ!
nyclin
12-28-2016, 01:10 PM
reduce raid mob respawn to 2 hrs
make raid petitions public
eliminate medicare and social security, and reduce taxes on the wealthy
#makep99greatagain
Uuruk
12-28-2016, 01:10 PM
Everquest 2017
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 01:37 PM
Simple solution to avoid suspensions. Don't break the rules. Your guild wouldn't be in this situation if they followed them.
The problem isn't breaking the rules. Do I think he probably wanted to see if he could get away with it? Yeah. Do I think most people probably had no clue what was going on or were so caught up in running they didn't really give a shit or didn't question it? Yes, probably most people.
I'm not in Awakened but to act like one guild does it is stupid. Both guilds are dumb for this shit and both do it. Between the constant spam of asking someone to concede a mob, taking advantage of any raid mechanic you possibly can, or doing something on pure instinct and hoping you'd get away with it....Both guilds do it.
Problem is when you give vague rule-sets and then allow people like Detoxx or Breaken to be the police and Sirken is the judge. It should be either no CSR or stuck in this shitty raid scene.
It's just amazing to me that you guys actually enjoy watching the unchanging screen for 0-16 hours, then playing a (bad) racing game for 30 seconds, and finally rule lawyering over fraps.
:eek:
Why hasn't a rotation happened yet, jesus christ, this is pure aids
Um, that's where you/CSR comes in typically. The players sure as shit aren't going to do it themselves lmao
Not you obviously I thought it was a Sirken post for some reason
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 01:53 PM
For all the AM crybabies, see AM vs Dain. Difference between that thread and this one is no one from Awakened claimed cheating or showEQ or come to RnF with it. Only reason I respect them more.
Kodim
12-28-2016, 01:56 PM
All of this is solved by Sirken actually suspending guilds and not allowing loopholes like concessions to exist.
Get suspended for breaking any rule and you'll be less likely to do it in the future.
Vianna
12-28-2016, 02:00 PM
For all the AM crybabies, see AM vs Dain. Difference between that thread and this one is no one from Awakened claimed cheating or showEQ or come to RnF with it. Only reason I respect them more.
Ok Anon Awakened member. I am in neither guild and can see your slant.
Naethyn
12-28-2016, 02:01 PM
Vianna is such a tool. Wake up. Jumping the line does not equate to tracker fte. Do you realize how many mobs Aftermath has conceded for killing it and validating later? Conceding two spawns has been the standard recourse for over a year. Take pulling Zlandicar through the wall to the zoneline on purpose. You gave up two spawns and didn't do it again, yet your intent was deinaftely against the rules. Stop acting like you're above it.
The problem here isn't cheating or tracker fte. The problem is Aftermath's guild leader asks for a concede every single week over the most trivial matters that never see the light of day resulting in the people who have to work with him not instantly taking his word for it.
I really hope the Awakened leadership starts conceding every one of Detoxx's requests. We need to se the cry wolf clause triggered to fix this. Leaders should only ask for concessions if it's 100% not just on any whim.
Vianna
12-28-2016, 02:05 PM
Vianna is such a tool. Wake up. Jumping the line does not equate to tracker fte. Do you realize how many mobs Aftermath has conceded for killing it and validating later? Conceding two spawns has been the standard recourse for over a year. Take pulling Zlandicar through the wall to the zoneline on purpose. You gave up two spawns and didn't do it again, yet your intent was deinaftely against the rules. Stop acting like you're above it.
The problem here isn't cheating or tracker fte. The problem is Aftermath's guild leader asks for a concede every single week over the most trivial matters that never see the light of day resulting in the people who have to work with him not instantly taking his word for it.
I really hope the Awakened leadership starts conceding every one of Detoxx's requests. We need to se the cry wolf clause triggered to fix this. Leaders should only ask for concessions if it's 100% not just on any whim.
So a person past zone in with bind sight is not tracker ? Since when ?
Tasslehofp99
12-28-2016, 02:05 PM
2 weeks + loot deleted off last vulak if the rules are really enforced anymore
Vianna
12-28-2016, 02:07 PM
A lot of the issues you bring up about Aftermath were not in zones where you FTE lock mobs via foot races Naethyn. I have never seen a concession of 2 working when Sirken's Foot Races were involved. I hate it for you guys. However, if you don't cheat (which you clearly did here) you don't get punished.
zanderklocke
12-28-2016, 02:10 PM
Hyjal will FTE without logic or fairness of course.
Phenyo
12-28-2016, 02:10 PM
Green99 when
Kodim
12-28-2016, 02:11 PM
Awakened trying to spin that they didn't know exactly what happened.
There is no grey area or lack of understanding due to vague rules. You knew you were breaking the rule, and yet you did it anyways and you get to keep the loot.
Phenyo
12-28-2016, 02:11 PM
Green 99 when
Whirled
12-28-2016, 02:11 PM
I thought guilds that breaks rules consistently were disbanded?
Vianna
12-28-2016, 02:12 PM
I thought guilds that breaks rules consistently were disbanded?
There last punishment was pretty harsh. Wonder what Sirken slaps them with this time.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 02:13 PM
Ok Anon Awakened member. I am in neither guild and can see your slant.
My slant might be that you cry-spamming that whatever someone is giving is never enough for your guild. I've also seen in person when I was in Rampage of how badly Detoxx can throw a fit and ask for concession on 1/2 the mobs. I just don't really enjoy that kind of play style.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 02:14 PM
Vianna reminds me of Lazie. Doesn't shut the fuck up and pushes his hopes and dreams on other people.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 02:16 PM
Awakened trying to spin that they didn't know exactly what happened.
There is no grey area or lack of understanding due to vague rules. You knew you were breaking the rule, and yet you did it anyways and you get to keep the loot.
Most people probably didn't know what happened. The inner core might of. It's not like in vent he announced "Hey just got illegal FTE, lets kill it anyway."
Uuruk
12-28-2016, 02:16 PM
Vianna reminds me of Lazie. Doesn't shut the fuck up and pushes his hopes and dreams on other people.
Lazie
12-28-2016, 02:19 PM
Huh ? I don't even play on this server anymore. I only came here to talk some of my friends involved in this mess to come play in a saner raid environment.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 02:20 PM
I guess I meant circa 2015-2016 Lazie.
Vianna
12-28-2016, 02:20 PM
Vianna reminds me of Lazie. Doesn't shut the fuck up and pushes his hopes and dreams on other people.
So you are in Awakened confirmed ?
Naethyn
12-28-2016, 02:26 PM
The Naggy scenario is completely different. We were about to pull Naggy when a guild member who was not on our raid or in mumble logged in his cleric to check ragefire and got FTE. Our leadership made a mistake by killing Naggy, even though that player wasn't even a part of our kill force, and we payed for it.
Now let's consider the last Vulak, Hijal jumped the line and got a Vulak FTE for a foot race. No one on our side knew this happened other than the Detoxx spam concede messages that happen on every Vulak (since we've had like what the last 10 Vulaks?). For you to say a guild should be suspended over that is laughable. If you really want a foot race jumpstart to count as tracker fte with a suspension you're insane. Wake up.
Kodim
12-28-2016, 02:29 PM
No one in Awakened knew, except all your runners you had that even the fraps shows.
Yep no one.
Lazie
12-28-2016, 02:31 PM
The Naggy scenario is completely different. We were about to pull Naggy when a guild member who was not on our raid or in mumble logged in his cleric to check ragefire and got FTE. Our leadership made a mistake by killing Naggy, even though that player wasn't even a part of our kill force, and we payed for it.
Now let's consider the last Vulak, Hijal jumped the line and got a Vulak FTE for a foot race. No one on our side knew this happened other than the Detoxx spam concede messages that happen on every Vulak (since we've had like what the last 10 Vulaks?). For you to say a guild should be suspended over that is laughable. If you really want a foot race jumpstart to count as tracker fte with a suspension you're insane. Wake up.
As an outside observer to this lunacy. About 20 people at the start line of that race knew he had a head start. Half of them were in your guild. So the whole "We didn't know" argument isn't going to work on this one. I don't care either way. You guys are all being insane right now with the raiding environment on P99.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 02:31 PM
The fraps shows you most people were probably like WTF? Why did he leave so early and questioning whether it was a lag delay, legitimate FTE or anything else. Quite trying to fit a mistake to your agenda.
Naethyn
12-28-2016, 02:38 PM
I agree Gimp, I doubt anyone would try that as a legitimate tactic.
Lazie
12-28-2016, 02:38 PM
The fraps shows you most people were probably like WTF? Why did he leave so early and questioning whether it was a lag delay, legitimate FTE or anything else. Quite trying to fit a mistake to your agenda.
You aren't going to get a 4 second head starts on foot races for mobs like Vulak. Everything about racing on this server got min/maxed by great players in VP in Kunark. There would be no one questioning what he was doing until the point they kept seeing him go North. Everyone is either bind sight or watching a screen share. There is never a situation where 15 to 20 people lag at the same time and one person sees an early spawn unless those other 15 to 20 people are all AFK. Which no one is AFK if they are waiting on Vulak.
This is the time you all ask yourselves. IN BOTH GUILDS. Why are we doing this ? Just rotate the mobs already and make everyone happier and healthier.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 02:54 PM
Honestly I wasn't there so I don't know but in the cluster fuck of everything going on I'd say maybe 80-90% of the people there for both guilds didn't know what was happening. When someone head starts a few seconds ahead of you and the mob actually spawns you start to question...WTF, how did he get ahead or know it was going to spawn? Some point straight to cheating right off the bat, some think desync/lag issues, some know what happened.
If you didn't directly watch it happen, you probably didn't know what to believe because people were probably spamming "Your cheating, your using showEQ, etc." If I wasn't directly watching and I was spamming with all those tells I'd say shut the fuck up and let's kill it and sort it out after.
I think the constant push for suspension to suit your agenda of free mobs is stupid though. You only see one guild here constantly complaining. Guess who it is.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 02:59 PM
He probably knows he illegally got the FTE and hoped no one would notice. 2 free Vulaks is a pretty good bargain for anyone who there. You MIGHT of picked up one Vulak, instead youll get 2. Asking for every decent raid mob for the next 10 days based on one guys decision is pretty stupid if you ask me. Especially when you were only going to MAYBE net 1 Vulak. Sounds like someone wants free loot.
Teako
12-28-2016, 03:00 PM
The Naggy scenario is completely different. We were about to pull Naggy when a guild member who was not on our raid or in mumble logged in his cleric to check ragefire and got FTE. Our leadership made a mistake by killing Naggy, even though that player wasn't even a part of our kill force, and we payed for it.
Now let's consider the last Vulak, Hijal jumped the line and got a Vulak FTE for a foot race. No one on our side knew this happened other than the Detoxx spam concede messages that happen on every Vulak (since we've had like what the last 10 Vulaks?). For you to say a guild should be suspended over that is laughable. If you really want a foot race jumpstart to count as tracker fte with a suspension you're insane. Wake up.
So the 8 FTE runners you had staring at the door in first person ready to run staring desperately at a screenshare somehow didn't notice the skeleton illusioned bard running 7 full seconds before anyone else did..? And don't tell me "bind sight" - since at least 4 of your runners were monks and can't bind sight?
Anything past the entrance line is considered a tracker until they return to the line. This is not news to anyone. Your runner knowingly, and willingly engaged a mob while being past the starting line. Regardless of if your entire guild knew it, one person knew it, or the entire server knew it. The rules are clear - if you are past the line you are considered a tracker and illegible for FTE.
So let's consider this -- as you put it:
Awakened willingly killed a mob that they had knowingly disqualified themselves from by acquiring tracker FTE. Politics, past, and future aside - these are the stone cold facts.
The punishment for tracker FTE/kill is not a concede - it's a suspension.
Naethyn
12-28-2016, 03:02 PM
Nothing was in said in mumble until the race was over and an officer said "let me review the fraps detoxx sent." I mean look a the youtube link you guys are spamming. It is two fraps edited together. Do you really think that type of definitive proof is available immediately after a race? It took well over a day for that video to surface and to act like some nefarious intent to skirt the rules when it simply didn't happen. The fact is if Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week it would be far easier to take his word on it.
Another thing. You guys should consider if the two week concession thing is worth giving up. Aftermath has had to give up far more "next two spawns" than anyone else on this server. If that goes away you could see far worse results. Consider this.
zanderklocke
12-28-2016, 03:03 PM
Are Hjial and Hyjal the same person?
Legday
12-28-2016, 03:05 PM
Are Hjial and Hyjal the same person?
This is the real question. It seems like no....but whats the deal here?
Naethyn
12-28-2016, 03:06 PM
So the 8 FTE runners you had staring at the door in first person ready to run staring desperately at a screenshare somehow didn't notice the skeleton illusioned bard running 7 full seconds before anyone else did..? And don't tell me "bind sight" - since at least 4 of your runners were monks and can't bind sight?
Anything past the entrance line is considered a tracker until they return to the line. This is not news to anyone. Your runner knowingly, and willingly engaged a mob while being past the starting line. Regardless of if your entire guild knew it, one person knew it, or the entire server knew it. The rules are clear - if you are past the line you are considered a tracker and illegible for FTE.
So let's consider this -- as you put it:
Awakened willingly killed a mob that they had knowingly disqualified themselves from by acquiring tracker FTE. Politics, past, and future aside - these are the stone cold facts.
The punishment for tracker FTE/kill is not a concede - it's a suspension.
This is the type of raid rule lawyering nonsense that everyone complains about. Do you seriously consider someone jumping the line in a foot race "tracker fte"? Please step back and take a minute to think about this. Anyone who honestly thinks this is real should ask themselves if they are a part of the problem.
Jaxon
12-28-2016, 03:07 PM
It's very confusing to everyone but they are actually completely different people.
Fifield
12-28-2016, 03:08 PM
I don't believe in any sort of "knowing" of the spawn times or any of that shit, he was probably going to refresh sow, it spawned, and was trying to take advantage of him being ahead and maybe no one would notice but it was too far of a jump.
The real problem here is that even knowing that your player fucked up, if no fraps would of been proven nothing would of came of this. Thats the fucked up part. Its crazy that is the mentality of raiding here. Prove it or it didn't happen.
The whole Awakened standpoint of we didn't know we were in the wrong till after the kill. Hmm ok maybe i believe it, but then that just looks bad on Hjial for not being honest to his guild and just saying shit guys, i was ahead getting a sow im out this run.
Naethyn
12-28-2016, 03:15 PM
"Fraps or it didn't happen" originates and ends with Detoxx.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 03:16 PM
Either way it looks bad on Hijal, the second he decided to compete means he was already doing something he knew was wrong. The question is, if you were doing something wrong would you tell anyone? If you watch the fraps, he disappears out of view before the runners start. I don't know about you guys but I was always alt+tabbed, watching screenshare or doing other shit until I got the go ahead or saw the pop; didn't really pay attention to anything else.
Will probably explain why I was never that great of a racer but never had the patience for that shit.
Lammy
12-28-2016, 03:18 PM
Imagine a place where you can schedule a guild raid and have a nice time goofing off in Teamspeak with your buddies, dungeon crawling these raid zones, and ultimately end up at an epic Dragon fight with half the number of people and 10 times the amount of challenge and fun.
You could even find time to squeeze in a RL social life, go on that diet you've been swearing about, and even actually earn your paycheck.
Some say phinny is the answer, but it's just not the same classic EQ world and mechanics that the team has created here on P99 and that we could make it with rotated raids.
Lazie
12-28-2016, 03:21 PM
This is the type of raid rule lawyering nonsense that everyone complains about. Do you seriously consider someone jumping the line in a foot race "tracker fte"? Please step back and take a minute to think about this. Anyone who honestly thinks this is real should ask themselves if they are a part of the problem.
Your argument for this is flawed. He wasn't jumping a start when he left the line. He was going to get rebuffed. His bind sight/tracking ability showed him the mob popped after he left the line. Again I don't care either way. In this situation though he was definitely a tracker past the line. This is why you guys should rotate mobs to avoid stuff like this.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 03:21 PM
That would be a good idea if you didn't have to wait 5 weeks for Vulak. Problem with rotation is that most guilds are capable of eventually killing Vulak with time and a scheduled raid. It'll only be a matter of time before you have 5 guilds lined up for Vulak. There really isn't a solution other than no rules and fuck everyone.
Lazie
12-28-2016, 03:23 PM
Either way it looks bad on Hijal, the second he decided to compete means he was already doing something he knew was wrong. The question is, if you were doing something wrong would you tell anyone? If you watch the fraps, he disappears out of view before the runners start. I don't know about you guys but I was always alt+tabbed, watching screenshare or doing other shit until I got the go ahead or saw the pop; didn't really pay attention to anything else.
Will probably explain why I was never that great of a racer but never had the patience for that shit.
Use an extra monitor for the screen shares. Run out and buy one now! That is what EQ has come down to on this server. Not joking if you want a slight edge.
Fifield
12-28-2016, 03:24 PM
There really isn't a solution other than no rules and fuck everyone.
I would fully come back and play p99 if there was no more rules and 1 hr bullshit.
TRAINS TRAINS EVERYWHERE! LET THE CHAOS BEGIN!
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 03:26 PM
There's 4ish Awakened runners in those fraps that clearly see Hjial 20 steps ahead of everyone. They knew, just as he did, that he left way, way early and probably should have said something, but we all know how frothy people get over pixels. Then again, I guess playing dumb is a legitimate tactic here.
I agree with you but those people could of been thinking he was refreshing SoW (as he was) or anything else. No one knew Vulak spawned until Vulak spawned and by that point most people don't ask questions because they don't want to sound stupid or question how he could of got an illegitimate FTE.
Teako
12-28-2016, 03:26 PM
This is the type of raid rule lawyering nonsense that everyone complains about. Do you seriously consider someone jumping the line in a foot race "tracker fte"? Please step back and take a minute to think about this. Anyone who honestly thinks this is real should ask themselves if they are a part of the problem.
Completely wrong. This is the exact letter of the rule in entirety. I understand the spin machine, and trying to make yourself look less shitty... Unfortunately, tracker FTE rules in every single zone are pretty clear. The rules for every single solitary raid mob on this server say that if you are not at the predesignated place to run for the FTE that you cannot acquire the FTE. It is not up for speculation, because speculation leads to abuse. If you are past the starting line for any reason -- you are considered a tracker until you return to the line. This is not up for your debate, or mine. The line is the line, and if you are past it you cannot FTE mobs. This applies to all guilds equally.
Try stopping and asking yourself this -- "I am being presented with video evidence of my guild violating the raid rules. I know that you can not be past the line in ToV to acquire an FTE. I know that by server rules if you are past the line you are a tracker. I am watching a video of my guild violating all of these rules. Why am I trying to defend a clear, malicious, willing usurpation of the rule set?"
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 03:27 PM
Use an extra monitor for the screen shares. Run out and buy one now! That is what EQ has come down to on this server. Not joking if you want a slight edge.
Sad but true.
Detoxx
12-28-2016, 03:29 PM
The Naggy scenario is completely different. We were about to pull Naggy when a guild member who was not on our raid or in mumble logged in his cleric to check ragefire and got FTE. Our leadership made a mistake by killing Naggy, even though that player wasn't even a part of our kill force, and we payed for it.
Now let's consider the last Vulak, Hijal jumped the line and got a Vulak FTE for a foot race. No one on our side knew this happened other than the Detoxx spam concede messages that happen on every Vulak (since we've had like what the last 10 Vulaks?). For you to say a guild should be suspended over that is laughable. If you really want a foot race jumpstart to count as tracker fte with a suspension you're insane. Wake up.
Fraps was delivered well before the pull. Thats the difference in all these events you're trying to claim we did the same thing. You're officers saw a fraps of you cheating, ignored it and killed it anyways.
Lammy
12-28-2016, 03:30 PM
Use an extra monitor for the screen shares. Run out and buy one now! That is what EQ has come down to on this server. Not joking if you want a slight edge.
Don't forget the extra Hard Drive to save all those fraps!
Detoxx
12-28-2016, 03:31 PM
Either way it looks bad on Hijal, the second he decided to compete means he was already doing something he knew was wrong. The question is, if you were doing something wrong would you tell anyone? If you watch the fraps, he disappears out of view before the runners start. I don't know about you guys but I was always alt+tabbed, watching screenshare or doing other shit until I got the go ahead or saw the pop; didn't really pay attention to anything else.
Will probably explain why I was never that great of a racer but never had the patience for that shit.
Love when he turns around at north door to see just how far ahead he is. Like anyone would stop running for even a split second on a legit Vulak race.
Lazie
12-28-2016, 03:32 PM
That would be a good idea if you didn't have to wait 5 weeks for Vulak. Problem with rotation is that most guilds are capable of eventually killing Vulak with time and a scheduled raid. It'll only be a matter of time before you have 5 guilds lined up for Vulak. There really isn't a solution other than no rules and fuck everyone.
Not all guilds would be able to clear all of ToV to kill Vulak. Vyemm is the stop gap. So kill Vyemm to get on the Rotation seems reasonable. Also can't team up to get on that rotation. Guilds have to stand on their own merit. If you rotate everything there will be spots for all guilds.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 03:33 PM
Fraps was delivered well before the pull. Thats the difference in all these events you're trying to claim we did the same thing. You're officers saw a fraps of you cheating, ignored it and killed it anyways.
Honestly at this point who gives a shit? Why don't you choose to be the better man and tell them you enjoy competition and only want 1 Vulak. That will probably set the precedent for the future and maybe on your next fuckup, there won't be any suspensions and you can just play the game. I wouldn't want a bunch of free mobs anyway for a handful of people's mistakes.
It when you guys get in this "maximum suspension to benefit as much as possible" mindset(both guilds not just AM) it turns into this shit.
FatMice
12-28-2016, 03:33 PM
Not all guilds would be able to clear all of ToV to kill Vulak. Vyemm is the stop gap. So kill Vyemm to get on the Rotation seems reasonable. Also can't team up to get on that rotation. Guilds have to stand on their own merit. If you rotate everything there will be spots for all guilds.
Kill Sont. Get on the rotation.
Lazie
12-28-2016, 03:34 PM
I would fully come back and play p99 if there was no more rules and 1 hr bullshit.
TRAINS TRAINS EVERYWHERE! LET THE CHAOS BEGIN!
That would be fun for awhile. I'd come back and team up with you buddy. Just to kill people though. You can have all the loots that spawns from it.
Gotta keep raiding on P99 where raiding is a "competition"
Except the "competition" is a mini-game inside P99 that takes place 16~ hours before the raid mob spawns and ends when someone agros it
At that point you get to kill the mob without anyone contesting your spawn
So the "competition" you all are hyped on about is really just shitty shitty shit shit
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 03:35 PM
Not all guilds would be able to clear all of ToV to kill Vulak. Vyemm is the stop gap. So kill Vyemm to get on the Rotation seems reasonable. Also can't team up to get on that rotation. Guilds have to stand on their own merit. If you rotate everything there will be spots for all guilds.
Not all guilds would at first but with time and knowing you have a free spot in the rotation, it wouldn't take too long. People who never raided would start to raid just for that factor.
burkemi5
12-28-2016, 03:37 PM
Ok, I have a serious question and am requesting a response. I assume, I know it's a stretch, but I assume that out of the raiding guilds, there are at least a handful of well adjusted, adult, wife having, kid having, job having, fully grown, non-autistic out there. If this applies to you, WHY do you put up with this shit. There's a plethora of other emus plus a live server to play the same content. Serious responses only please.
Fifield
12-28-2016, 03:37 PM
If i were GM this is what i would do:
Week 1. Aftermath
Week 2. FFA- sock your little hearts out
Week 3. Awakened
Week 4. FFA- Awakened/Aftermath can't compete so other guilds get a chance.
Learn to share bros! Its a good thing they dont make Canadian GM's
Lazie
12-28-2016, 03:38 PM
Kill Sont. Get on the rotation.
As much as that would be fun to witness. I don't think Sontalak is the barrier to kill in ToV. Only 2 or 3 guilds could kill Vyemm without assistance anyway. Until they improve that is.
Teako
12-28-2016, 03:38 PM
Honestly at this point who gives a shit? Why don't you choose to be the better man and tell them you enjoy competition and only want 1 Vulak. That will probably set the precedent for the future and maybe on your next fuckup, there won't be any suspensions and you can just play the game. I wouldn't want a bunch of free mobs anyway for a handful of people's mistakes.
It when you guys get in this "maximum suspension to benefit as much as possible" mindset(both guilds not just AM) it turns into this shit.
Because the precedent you're promoting is a much more dangerous one --- Break the ever living fuck out of every single established raid rule by camping FTErs on Vulak's spawn.. log in on spawn, get a guaranteed 33%-50% of Vulak spawns, concede the next 1-2 and ruin the raid scene entirely. Suddenly there's no more competition, or racing.. Just guilds trying to get the first tracker FTE to guarantee a kill and concede the next one.
Without rules, and punishments for breaking those rules the raid scene will become far worse than current. The rule set at the moment works -- and the punishments are clear for breaking tracker FTE rules. It's not Detoxx, or AM pushing for "as much as possible" - it's the established punishment for the committed action.
You can't rob a bank, go home, count your money and spread it out.. Then when the FBI shows up go "oh, we didn't know. here, you can have 77% of the money back." - Not a chance.
Fifield
12-28-2016, 03:38 PM
oh and i'd remove all bullshit 1hr lockouts that ruined the fun, obviously!
Lazie
12-28-2016, 03:39 PM
Not all guilds would at first but with time and knowing you have a free spot in the rotation, it wouldn't take too long. People who never raided would start to raid just for that factor.
So you are saying the server becomes healthier and grows ? Zing we have a winner!
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 03:43 PM
It does but it also creates more complications. People who are entitled feel that it's bullshit because they are "better" than everyone else. People are waiting 2 years to receive that piece of Vulak loot. People will be bottlenecked on Doze and all types of issues. There are typically only two fixes. Instance everything and give everyone a shot or Remove CSR and let the wolves fight it out.
Lazie
12-28-2016, 03:50 PM
It does but it also creates more complications. People who are entitled feel that it's bullshit because they are "better" than everyone else. People are waiting 2 years to receive that piece of Vulak loot. People will be bottlenecked on Doze and all types of issues. There are typically only two fixes. Instance everything and give everyone a shot or Remove CSR and let the wolves fight it out.
Or people start getting along and instead of 7 guilds that turns into 4 through merges (See guilds already raiding together under different tags). Vyemm is never going to be an easy out for guilds. Even established raid guilds still wipe to him and without a merge a few guilds are never going to get past that mob.
Instancing isn't needed when you create a system everyone can work with. As for folks who feel they deserve more. They have had free reign over that for over a year and a half now. They had their head start to collect all the shiny things. Competition has had it's time in the sun on this server.
Ravager
12-28-2016, 03:53 PM
The only way the raid scene can be fixed is with another two or three blue servers. Make one of them a rotation server, one of them a rule-lawyer server and one of them a DPS race server. Throw in a token/instance server for good measure.
Can you imagine what a disaster Live would have been if there was only a single server?
FWIW, I think a tier system could prevent a velious rotation from growing too big. If you put Tunare, AOW, Vulak, Dozekar, and Sontalak in one tier for example. I mean, Aftermath has killed Sontalak once and wiped several times and Awakened hasn't even tried.
Bruno
12-28-2016, 03:59 PM
The only way the raid scene can be fixed is if they shut down the server.
Fixed for you.
Legday
12-28-2016, 04:00 PM
FWIW, I think a tier system could prevent a velious rotation from growing too big. If you put Tunare, AOW, Vulak, Dozekar, and Sontalak in one tier for example. I mean, Aftermath has killed Sontalak once and wiped several times and Awakened hasn't even tried.
Killed twice, wiped twice, fwiw.
Ravager
12-28-2016, 04:03 PM
Funny seeing Raev argue for a tiered rotation with gateway mobs...
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 04:08 PM
Because the precedent you're promoting is a much more dangerous one --- Break the ever living fuck out of every single established raid rule by camping FTErs on Vulak's spawn.. log in on spawn, get a guaranteed 33%-50% of Vulak spawns, concede the next 1-2 and ruin the raid scene entirely. Suddenly there's no more competition, or racing.. Just guilds trying to get the first tracker FTE to guarantee a kill and concede the next one.
Without rules, and punishments for breaking those rules the raid scene will become far worse than current. The rule set at the moment works -- and the punishments are clear for breaking tracker FTE rules. It's not Detoxx, or AM pushing for "as much as possible" - it's the established punishment for the committed action.
You can't rob a bank, go home, count your money and spread it out.. Then when the FBI shows up go "oh, we didn't know. here, you can have 77% of the money back." - Not a chance.
So if the top two guilds killed one conceded one, that would be 50/50 right? My point was to stop pushing for maximum punishments because the precedent is always different depending on what happened, how it happened, who was there.
The analogy was bad because right now if Vulak is the bank, that means AM/Awakened are the bank security/police officers and they report send in their evidence to the judge. If a bank officer was awarded $5000 for stopping a crime, how do you think our system would be? Bunch of false reports and alternate agendas? Check.
Maner
12-28-2016, 04:17 PM
So if the top two guilds killed one conceded one, that would be 50/50 right? My point was to stop pushing for maximum punishments because the precedent is always different depending on what happened, how it happened, who was there.
The analogy was bad because right now if Vulak is the bank, that means AM/Awakened are the bank security/police officers and they report send in their evidence to the judge. If a bank officer was awarded $5000 for stopping a crime, how do you think our system would be? Bunch of false reports and alternate agendas? Check.
Vulak is also easier than some of the other ntov dragons since he can be slowed. You act like it's only 2 guilds racing for vulak every spawn. What ever guild had the 2nd fte message on this vulak is the guild that was directly affected. Conceding the next 2 doesn't guarantee anyone anything, or make the guild directly affected hole again.
Naethyn
12-28-2016, 04:34 PM
Curious, does CSG or anyone else clear to the dragons in VP now that it is on rotation? Really wondering if any of the we want to clear to dragons thing holds any water.
Lammy
12-28-2016, 04:45 PM
Curious, does CSG or anyone else clear to the dragons in VP now that it is on rotation? Really wondering if any of the we want to clear to dragons thing holds any water.
Rustle does not currently clear to the VP dragons. It has been discussed and we have spent time clearing while we are there, but I'm sure you're aware of the respawn time that is VP trash. We clear to Velketor and to Trakanon (When it's not contested).
Some people are mixed on it, but the idea behind it is that clearing trash is fun for some and makes for better playing when it comes to other encounters.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 04:51 PM
Vulak is also easier than some of the other ntov dragons since he can be slowed. You act like it's only 2 guilds racing for vulak every spawn. What ever guild had the 2nd fte message on this vulak is the guild that was directly affected. Conceding the next 2 doesn't guarantee anyone anything, or make the guild directly affected hole again.
It really is 2 guilds racing for Vulak every spawn..... There are others there but they don't get them and would probably struggle with an hour. No one benefits more than AM/Awakened. If what you are saying is true anyway, you prove my point even further that most guilds should be happy that now they will have the next 2 Vulak spawns with "less" competition and a higher FTE rate. I didn't see many other runners other than AM/Awakened since they do the run ups in their spare time.
Maner
12-28-2016, 04:54 PM
It really is 2 guilds racing for Vulak every spawn..... There are others there but they don't get them and would probably struggle with an hour. No one benefits more than AM/Awakened. If what you are saying is true anyway, you prove my point even further that most guilds should be happy that now they will have the next 2 Vulak spawns with "less" competition and a higher FTE rate. I didn't see many other runners other than AM/Awakened since they do the run ups in their spare time.
Didn't CSG and rustle get vulak FTE a couple weeks ago? They then had awakens train them so they took longer than an hour and then awakened took the FTE? The best part is then awakened went to start a new agreement involving vulak and having 4 hours to kill him, lol. The only reason another raid entity hasn't killed vulak is because of more underhanded stuff that awakened does to secure pixels.
Fragged
12-28-2016, 05:09 PM
You can't rob a bank, go home, count your money and spread it out.. Then when the FBI shows up go "oh, we didn't know. here, you can have 77% of the money back." - Not a chance.
Lol
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 05:11 PM
Didn't CSG and rustle get vulak FTE a couple weeks ago? They then had awakens train them so they took longer than an hour and then awakened took the FTE? The best part is then awakened went to start a new agreement involving vulak and having 4 hours to kill him, lol. The only reason another raid entity hasn't killed vulak is because of more underhanded stuff that awakened does to secure pixels.
Awakened is the root of every problem. Got it. This type of mentality makes me not feel bad for AM. Your quick to defend AM for Hate but bashing on Awakened for everything yet AM does no wrong. Got it.
Maner
12-28-2016, 05:15 PM
Awakened is the root of every problem. Got it. This type of mentality makes me not feel bad for AM. Your quick to defend AM for Hate but bashing on Awakened for everything yet AM does no wrong. Got it.
Lol no, I was giving you an example of another guild other than AW or AM getting a vulak FTE. I then described the lengths AW is willing to go in order to secure pixels and ultimately steal that FTE from them. I'm sorry that the only relevant example to counter your claim also involved awakened training the shit out of 3+ guilds and then claiming fraps or it didn't happen.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 05:16 PM
I guess it didn't happen then. And that's my point any relevant example you ever have is defending AM and blaming Awakened.
Maner
12-28-2016, 05:21 PM
I guess it didn't happen then. And that's my point any relevant example you ever have is defending AM and blaming Awakened.
How was my example defending AM? We were at the zone in watching AW train them. And we didn't participate in trying to acquire the next FTE after they trained them. You're accusing me of defending AM in an incident they didn't play any roles in...
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 05:23 PM
Reread what I wrote......"Defending AM or blaming Awakened" If you aren't defending AM that time, what are you doing? That's right......blaming.
What your essentially asking for (even though this isn't really competition more just wall staring) but in any sense, if the only competition or fun is the race to the mob and you want to decrease your competition by let's say (85% since CSG really isn't too much of a threat) that's basically equivalent to a Major League Baseball team wanting to play with Little League. Most people want the competition but what this server lacks is people who want to play AGAINST the better players instead of suspending them and just making it easier for free loot.
Detoxx
12-28-2016, 05:47 PM
Reread what I wrote......"Defending AM or blaming Awakened" If you aren't defending AM that time, what are you doing? That's right......blaming.
What your essentially asking for (even though this isn't really competition more just wall staring) but in any sense, if the only competition or fun is the race to the mob and you want to decrease your competition by let's say (85% since CSG really isn't too much of a threat) that's basically equivalent to a Major League Baseball team wanting to play with Little League. Most people want the competition but what this server lacks is people who want to play AGAINST the better players instead of suspending them and just making it easier for free loot.
Oh well if that's the case you're off the hook then! Break all the rules you want then when fear of suspension looms, claim it's crazy for the offended to seek reprimand. What a brilliant revelation we have here, folks! This changes everything.
srgraham69
12-28-2016, 05:48 PM
I don't really see this as an attempt to get rid of the competition, seems more like a scenario of people running around with attitudes of being #aboveit or #wedowhatwewant finally running into that person that whips their ass, pretty similar to what happens in real life to nerds that get above their station on a regular
burkemi5
12-28-2016, 05:49 PM
Ok, I have a serious question and am requesting a response. I assume, I know it's a stretch, but I assume that out of the raiding guilds, there are at least a handful of well adjusted, adult, wife having, kid having, job having, fully grown, non-autistic out there. If this applies to you, WHY do you put up with this shit. There's a plethora of other emus plus a live server to play the same content. Serious responses only please.
Bump, haven't seen any responses so far.
Bump, haven't seen any responses so far.
Well-adjusted adults / spouse-havers do not participate in the "high-end" P99 raid scene.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 05:58 PM
Oh well if that's the case you're off the hook then! Break all the rules you want then when fear of suspension looms, claim it's crazy for the offended to seek reprimand. What a brilliant revelation we have here, folks! This changes everything.
Not sure what's better. That or you find any kind of sub-category where the raid rules don't apply because they left out one word when they originally typed it. Soon we'll have a book of raid rules and how to not get suspended. And I already know you love spamming concede on pretty much every mob.
I think I would rather say, Fuck it and race against some of the better players. It would most likely take Awakened by surprise if you told them you don't want to see them concede mobs and would rather race. I have a feeling they would start feeling like a bunch of bitches if they asked you concede on the next mishap after that. As far as breaking rules goes, you'd think if you told them not concede and you were racing fairly; they would start to oblige. If not, follow suit with your endless raid rules and waiting for the next free loot.
Sounds to me you want them to concede 1/2 the mobs, even when a mishap doesn't apply. To me, that's what = a shit tier player.
Whirled
12-28-2016, 05:59 PM
Anyone who raids here has shit for brains.
Bump, haven't seen any responses so far.
http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb0qpbcfMy1runifxo3_250.gif
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 05:59 PM
Bump, haven't seen any responses so far.
All the smart ones quit.
Relbaic
12-28-2016, 05:59 PM
been the best RnF we've had in months, you should cheat more often Awakened bros
Even the BDA thread took 4 days to reach 23 pages, this has done it in less than 24 hours.
Supreme
12-28-2016, 06:00 PM
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253736
Should a raid suspension also be appropriate in this case?
Detoxx
12-28-2016, 06:05 PM
Not sure what's better. That or you find any kind of sub-category where the raid rules don't apply because they left out one word when they originally typed it. Soon we'll have a book of raid rules and how to not get suspended. And I already know you love spamming concede on pretty much every mob.
I think I would rather say, Fuck it and race against some of the better players. It would most likely take Awakened by surprise if you told them you don't want to see them concede mobs and would rather race. I have a feeling they would start feeling like a bunch of bitches if they asked you concede on the next mishap after that. As far as breaking rules goes, you'd think if you told them not concede and you were racing fairly; they would start to oblige. If not, follow suit with your endless raid rules and waiting for the next free loot.
Sounds to me you want them to concede 1/2 the mobs, even when a mishap doesn't apply. To me, that's what = a shit tier player.
I got no problem getting beat. I do have a problem with getting cheated. Talk abouy rule lawyering? Your guild leader is attempting to petition for crying wolf on mobs he didnt concede when it says right in the rules that you need to concede the mob under false pretenses for crying wolf to take effect.
Get off your high horse, your officers and leadership petition way more than I do for free mobs. Youre delusional if you think otherwise.
lazcar
12-28-2016, 06:06 PM
Who wants to race against Awakened when you obviously cheat? It's not like this is the first time you've cheated. You guys have done something sketchy the last 3 Vulak. It is just the first time you got caught.
Naethyn
12-28-2016, 06:16 PM
I got no problem getting beat. I do have a problem with getting cheated. Talk abouy rule lawyering? Your guild leader is attempting to petition for crying wolf on mobs he didnt concede when it says right in the rules that you need to concede the mob under false pretenses for crying wolf to take effect.
Get off your high horse, your officers and leadership petition way more than I do for free mobs. Youre delusional if you think otherwise.
You petitioned to have a GM waste is time looking through logs because the other team "definitely" dispelled slow on Vulak, but then it ended up being one of his own players, I'd expect a cry wolf of too.
Detoxx
12-28-2016, 06:22 PM
You petitioned to have a GM waste is time looking through logs because the other team "definitely" dispelled slow on Vulak, but then it ended up being one of his own players, I'd expect a cry wolf of too.
No petition was filed for that event, try again
Comoc1
12-28-2016, 06:23 PM
You petitioned to have a GM waste is time looking through logs because the other team "definitely" dispelled slow on Vulak, but then it ended up being one of his own players, I'd expect a cry wolf of too.
The difference between these two scenarios is that everyone saw what was done in the race.
You really can't tell who casts what.
Uuruk
12-28-2016, 06:41 PM
24 pages about raiding Everquest in 2017. Seek help.
Zekayy
12-28-2016, 07:03 PM
I was guilded with Zekay on p99, he is a special kind of stupid.
Miss you too pal
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 07:06 PM
what I love the most in those threads are the folks who do not play p99 anymore, who do not raid, but constantly post about it here.
kinda like repeating how proud you are that you dumped your ex, but saying it 50 times a day, and week after week, keep repeating it. Seek help lol
I think that makes sense. People love classic Everquest and nostalgia. Most people raided here for awhile. Now, most people realize it sucks and want a refresh or different raid rules so they don't have to invest a lifetime like some of you do.
I got no problem getting beat. I do have a problem with getting cheated. Talk abouy rule lawyering? Your guild leader is attempting to petition for crying wolf on mobs he didnt concede when it says right in the rules that you need to concede the mob under false pretenses for crying wolf to take effect.
Get off your high horse, your officers and leadership petition way more than I do for free mobs. Youre delusional if you think otherwise.
Even when you get beat you still yell concede. You're trying to tell me you've never told another guild to concede when they got something legitimately? If so how many times? Like I said I'm not in Awakened. You're giving a reason of why you cry wolf when you are crying wolf about being cheated. Who cheated? Someone jumped the line? Yes. Has your guild done it? Yes. Is your guild the only one who comes to the boards in mass and brings up cheating and all these other conspiracies? Yes. Is it probably because your getting beat on mobs? Yes.
Stop playing the victim card and realize all the top guilds are cut-throat and do the exact same shit. It's been this way since the dawn of EQ. Now quit suspending each other and just go for no CSR.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 07:12 PM
what I love the most in those threads are the folks who do not play p99 anymore, who do not raid, but constantly post about it here.
kinda like repeating how proud you are that you dumped your ex, but saying it 50 times a day, and week after week, keep repeating it. Seek help lol
Also wanted to point out you probably need an outsider looking in for advice since most of you are so damn brain washed by what guild your in, you don't know what is even grounding or how to come up with an idea without benefitting yourself somehow.
Detoxx
12-28-2016, 07:39 PM
I think that makes sense. People love classic Everquest and nostalgia. Most people raided here for awhile. Now, most people realize it sucks and want a refresh or different raid rules so they don't have to invest a lifetime like some of you do.
Even when you get beat you still yell concede. You're trying to tell me you've never told another guild to concede when they got something legitimately? If so how many times? Like I said I'm not in Awakened. You're giving a reason of why you cry wolf when you are crying wolf about being cheated. Who cheated? Someone jumped the line? Yes. Has your guild done it? Yes. Is your guild the only one who comes to the boards in mass and brings up cheating and all these other conspiracies? Yes. Is it probably because your getting beat on mobs? Yes.
Stop playing the victim card and realize all the top guilds are cut-throat and do the exact same shit. It's been this way since the dawn of EQ. Now quit suspending each other and just go for no CSR.
Claims to not be in Awakenes bit somehow knows how many times I ask for a concession. When I ask for one, 9 out of 10 times its legit. Only reason they don't concede is because we don't have proof. But wait, as all have seen today, even when proof is provided, they still don't.
Awakened nuthugger claims to not be in awakened. More at 10
Comoc1
12-28-2016, 07:40 PM
QQ some more.
Someone care here to cry didn't they.
Gunari
12-28-2016, 07:44 PM
This thread makes me lose hope for the future of humanity.
BallzDeep
12-28-2016, 07:46 PM
[QUOTE=Detoxx;2432300]Claims to not be in Awakenes bit somehow knows how many times I ask for a concession. When I ask for one, 9 out of 10 times its legit. Only reason they don't concede is because we don't have proof. But wait, as all have seen today, even when proof is provided, they still don't.
Awakened nuthugger claims to not be in awakened. More at 10[/QUOTE
I'm pretty sure everyone can make an educated how many times you've asked to concede based on the fact that people post screenshots of you raging. I know this because I was in Asgard three years ago and IB/Ramp.
Its not hard to hug nuts when the other choice is a wet whiny asshole.
Fazlazen
12-28-2016, 07:47 PM
lol acarer, you're a fucking nerd.
icedwards
12-28-2016, 07:48 PM
Claims to not be in Awakenes bit somehow knows how many times I ask for a concession. When I ask for one, 9 out of 10 times its legit. Only reason they don't concede is because we don't have proof. But wait, as all have seen today, even when proof is provided, they still don't.
Awakened nuthugger claims to not be in awakened. More at 10
[Mon Dec 05 11:24:05 2016] Grumpy tells the guild, 'Black Tear, Emerald Tear, Platinum Tear, Silver Tear, Silver Tear'
[Mon Dec 05 11:24:57 2016] Lord Vyemm engages Hjial!
[Mon Dec 05 11:25:25 2016] Florid says out of character, 'doze was not dead when u fted vyemm'
[Mon Dec 05 11:25:29 2016] Florid says out of character, 'concede please'
:rolleyes:
Comoc1
12-28-2016, 08:04 PM
This is the kind of bullshit we have to when putting up with AW week in and week out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Detoxx
12-28-2016, 08:10 PM
[Mon Dec 05 11:24:05 2016] Grumpy tells the guild, 'Black Tear, Emerald Tear, Platinum Tear, Silver Tear, Silver Tear'
[Mon Dec 05 11:24:57 2016] Lord Vyemm engages Hjial!
[Mon Dec 05 11:25:25 2016] Florid says out of character, 'doze was not dead when u fted vyemm'
[Mon Dec 05 11:25:29 2016] Florid says out of character, 'concede please'
:rolleyes:
Now was that fte acquired with Hjial using show EQ or was he just at the 4 way otw out for sow? The world may never know....
what I love the most in those threads are the folks who do not play p99 anymore, who do not raid, but constantly post about it here.
kinda like repeating how proud you are that you dumped your ex, but saying it 50 times a day, and week after week, keep repeating it. Seek help lol
Confirmed rustled.
nyclin
12-28-2016, 08:40 PM
Now was that fte acquired with Hjial using show EQ or was he just at the 4 way otw out for sow? The world may never know....
and here we see what happens when the detoxx is presented with evidence of reality. his mind, addled with marijuana and slow from delivering pizzas, is unable to cope with the revelations before him, and he simply goes back to what he knows best: bad insults.
Detoxx
12-28-2016, 08:49 PM
and here we see what happens when the detoxx is presented with evidence of reality. his mind, addled with marijuana and slow from delivering pizzas, is unable to cope with the revelations before him, and he simply goes back to what he knows best: bad insults.
Laying it on thick with those sick burns anon troll, im devastated. Teach me how to insult please!
Uuruk
12-28-2016, 08:51 PM
Look at how mad you are over Everquest in 2017.
Yikes
Morbo the Annihilator
12-28-2016, 08:58 PM
Ok, I have a serious question and am requesting a response. I assume, I know it's a stretch, but I assume that out of the raiding guilds, there are at least a handful of well adjusted, adult, wife having, kid having, job having, fully grown, non-autistic out there. If this applies to you, WHY do you put up with this shit. There's a plethora of other emus plus a live server to play the same content. Serious responses only please.
i evolved into a warm body.
After getting married and having a child, EQ took a backseat for me.
Having been in Taken/Awakened for over 5 years though, I still like to be involved with guild-related activities.
I have no impact on the raid scene anymore, and I don't have the capacity to get involved with the FTE/racing activities. So all I do is go with the flow.
I turn up, cast my CHs, pull/train when i'm confident in doing so, DPS when i can, buff when i can, then return to my family.
it's not really much to put up with, and i still play more "non-raid" eq than "raid" eq, so all of this RNF drama is only a small part of the game for me.
Being called a warm body within the context of this raiding scene is a compliment, as much as people try to fling it around as an insult.
Uuruk
12-28-2016, 08:59 PM
What ever happened to that tranny Catherin? They still use a voice changer to sound like a chick?
Bruno
12-28-2016, 09:34 PM
i evolved into a warm body.
After getting married and having a child, EQ took a backseat for me.
Having been in Taken/Awakened for over 5 years though, I still like to be involved with guild-related activities.
I have no impact on the raid scene anymore, and I don't have the capacity to get involved with the FTE/racing activities. So all I do is go with the flow.
I turn up, cast my CHs, pull/train when i'm confident in doing so, DPS when i can, buff when i can, then return to my family.
it's not really much to put up with, and i still play more "non-raid" eq than "raid" eq, so all of this RNF drama is only a small part of the game for me.
Being called a warm body within the context of this raiding scene is a compliment, as much as people try to fling it around as an insult.
http://i.imgur.com/8GHTP8P.gif
Relbaic
12-28-2016, 09:49 PM
Laying it on thick with those sick burns anon troll, im devastated. Teach me how to insult please!
I've been off P99 for 8 months and I know who Nyclin is. Nice deflection.
Zumok
12-28-2016, 09:57 PM
Its common sense if vs is in window and you are exping and he spawns and you the person parttake in the kill the guild is dqed from that kill same thing here with vulak its really no different and for awakened to think otherwise is just silly
Now while im not in awakened or Aftermath that is just my thoughts
Detoxx
12-28-2016, 11:04 PM
I've been off P99 for 8 months and I know who Nyclin is. Nice deflection.
Not a clue who he is. Never knew, never cared.
Cecily
12-28-2016, 11:47 PM
He's Eisley's angrier brother.
radda
12-29-2016, 01:28 AM
24 pages about raiding Everquest in 2017. Seek help.
you keep posting here
seek help
radda
12-29-2016, 01:31 AM
I've been off P99 for 8 months
i bet your AA circle is patting you on the back every saturday morning
Tycoon
12-29-2016, 05:13 AM
Lawyer-questing for a suspension? Learn to read.
Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame, and so no guild will concede/forfeit. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should concede all the loot to the guild that was wronged, but they will also be forced to not contest for the next two spawns of that mob that is available to them. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum, and stating that they will not be competing for the next two spawns of that mob available to them, as well as requesting to have the loots removed. As long as the items have not been turned in, this will be accepted by the staff and not warrant a raid suspension.
You people are dumb as fuck.
Have a problem with the rules? You know who to talk to.
draus
12-29-2016, 05:35 AM
Lawyer-questing for a suspension? Learn to read.
Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame, and so no guild will concede/forfeit. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should concede all the loot to the guild that was wronged, but they will also be forced to not contest for the next two spawns of that mob that is available to them. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum, and stating that they will not be competing for the next two spawns of that mob available to them, as well as requesting to have the loots removed. As long as the items have not been turned in, this will be accepted by the staff and not warrant a raid suspension.
You people are dumb as fuck.
Have a problem with the rules? You know who to talk to.
"it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame"
You have no argument here.
Either Hijal completely lied to them, or they knew and decided to kill the mob anyways.
It was clear from the beginning of the run and from the fraps provided to them well before they killed the mob. They knew they had an illegal fte, and killed the mob anyways. No one gets a 3 second lead on vulak when there is so many eyes on it. Either way, they were given the fraps before they pulled the mob but they chose to ignore it.
draus
12-29-2016, 05:39 AM
"the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should concede all the loot to the guild that was wronged"
Also I see nothing offered up on this part of the rule.
Tycoon
12-29-2016, 05:41 AM
I guess then that AM didn't know glitching Zlandi to the zone in was an exploit.
Tycoon
12-29-2016, 05:46 AM
I agree that loots should be forfeited. But to whom? Is Aftermath really the only wronged guild?
Still, out of the past year there has been no post-kill concession to my knowledge that haa included a forfeiture of loot. Both guilds have chosen to omit this from their concessions and have, for some reason, gotten away with it for a very long time.
draus
12-29-2016, 05:47 AM
I guess then that AM didn't know glitching Zlandi to the zone in was an exploit.
What does this year old kill with two guilds that no longer exist under a different rule sets have to do with this conversation? Nice try on the deflection. It was people do when they don't have a leg to stand on.
draus
12-29-2016, 05:51 AM
I agree that loots should be forfeited. But to whom? Is Aftermath really the only wronged guild?
If there were other guilds wronged they should join the petition because you knowingly robbed them of their chance of fte and killing the mob fairly.
Tycoon
12-29-2016, 05:52 AM
Are you trying to suggest that the rules in DN have changed? Or that somehow FA isn't AM? I don't think I'm deflecting, I think you are. Your guild/alliance/gaysexparty knowingly broke the rules on that Zlandi kill. Yet, a 2 spawn concession without a forfeiture of loot was accepted as the norm instead of a 5 day ban.
Tycoon
12-29-2016, 05:55 AM
Arthon, You are dumb as fuck.
draus
12-29-2016, 05:59 AM
You are really grasping at straws. And name calling really proves your point.
Prismaticshop
12-29-2016, 06:13 AM
Yes, Tycoon, let's pull out frapses of rampage and try to get AW suspended lolllll
Swish
12-29-2016, 06:51 AM
Great to know that probably half of the players in both guilds are running fraps for lawyering purposes
Teako
12-29-2016, 06:55 AM
Lawyer-questing for a suspension? Learn to read.
Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame, and so no guild will concede/forfeit. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should concede all the loot to the guild that was wronged, but they will also be forced to not contest for the next two spawns of that mob that is available to them. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum, and stating that they will not be competing for the next two spawns of that mob available to them, as well as requesting to have the loots removed. As long as the items have not been turned in, this will be accepted by the staff and not warrant a raid suspension.
You people are dumb as fuck.
Have a problem with the rules? You know who to talk to.
The willing ignorance of AW members is astonishing. This thread already has proof posted that the "offending" guild was provided fraps of their members openly cheating to win prior to ever pulling in the mob immediately after their illegitimate FTE. Awakened under complete knowledge that they had a tracker FTE - with video evidence provided to their leadership prior to pulling - pulled and killed the target anyway. There is no speculation here - Breaken has admitted to receiving the fraps PRIOR to pulling Vulak. You can't claim uncertainty when you're being shown a video of your guild cheating prior to even starting a train up.
It's this simple: Awakened has long sense acted under a rule set of "Do anything it takes to secure Vulak`Aerr. Anything. It does not matter what server rule you have to break. Train Rustle. Stall Vyemm. Gate Cekenar. Train pullers. Refuse to pull any mob up when Vulak spawns. WIN BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY." - and this time your shady bullshit got caught on video with no wiggle room to try and smudge the lines for your own benefit.
Again I say - Take the suspension like a man you panzy.
Detoxx
12-29-2016, 07:02 AM
Are you trying to suggest that the rules in DN have changed? Or that somehow FA isn't AM? I don't think I'm deflecting, I think you are. Your guild/alliance/gaysexparty knowingly broke the rules on that Zlandi kill. Yet, a 2 spawn concession without a forfeiture of loot was accepted as the norm instead of a 5 day ban.
Again, fraps was not provided before the kill on Zlandi. It was for this Vulak.
Swing and a miss.
Swish
12-29-2016, 07:04 AM
The willing ignorance of AW members is astonishing. This thread already has proof posted that the "offending" guild was provided fraps of their members openly cheating to win prior to ever pulling in the mob immediately after their illegitimate FTE. Awakened under complete knowledge that they had a tracker FTE - with video evidence provided to their leadership prior to pulling - pulled and killed the target anyway. There is no speculation here - Breaken has admitted to receiving the fraps PRIOR to pulling Vulak. You can't claim uncertainty when you're being shown a video of your guild cheating prior to even starting a train up.
It's this simple: Awakened has long sense acted under a rule set of "Do anything it takes to secure Vulak`Aerr. Anything. It does not matter what server rule you have to break. Train Rustle. Stall Vyemm. Gate Cekenar. Train pullers. Refuse to pull any mob up when Vulak spawns. WIN BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY." - and this time your shady bullshit got caught on video with no wiggle room to try and smudge the lines for your own benefit.
Again I say - Take the suspension like a man you panzy.
http://i.imgur.com/r1647Os.png
Vianna is such a tool. Wake up. Jumping the line does not equate to tracker fte. Do you realize how many mobs Aftermath has conceded for killing it and validating later? Conceding two spawns has been the standard recourse for over a year. Take pulling Zlandicar through the wall to the zoneline on purpose. You gave up two spawns and didn't do it again, yet your intent was deinaftely against the rules. Stop acting like you're above it.
The problem here isn't cheating or tracker fte. The problem is Aftermath's guild leader asks for a concede every single week over the most trivial matters that never see the light of day resulting in the people who have to work with him not instantly taking his word for it.
I really hope the Awakened leadership starts conceding every one of Detoxx's requests. We need to se the cry wolf clause triggered to fix this. Leaders should only ask for concessions if it's 100% not just on any whim.
My slant might be that you cry-spamming that whatever someone is giving is never enough for your guild. I've also seen in person when I was in Rampage of how badly Detoxx can throw a fit and ask for concession on 1/2 the mobs. I just don't really enjoy that kind of play style.
Nothing was in said in mumble until the race was over and an officer said "let me review the fraps detoxx sent." I mean look a the youtube link you guys are spamming. It is two fraps edited together. Do you really think that type of definitive proof is available immediately after a race? It took well over a day for that video to surface and to act like some nefarious intent to skirt the rules when it simply didn't happen. The fact is if Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week it would be far easier to take his word on it.
Another thing. You guys should consider if the two week concession thing is worth giving up. Aftermath has had to give up far more "next two spawns" than anyone else on this server. If that goes away you could see far worse results. Consider this.
I am sorry dude but you & others are keep repeating "Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week ..." that look like some stupid PR Move to shift the Blame.
He & others call you out on your bullshit multiple times. But you get away most of the time cause it's not "crystal clear" evidence/s from what i understood/saw.
From what i saw the Slogan that ll definite Awakened for raiding will be "Do everything until others can prove we're guilty".
I dont have a lot of experience with this "Raiding scene" but i have a pretty good common sense. At least i think. Let's me give you one example of the "bullshit" that come to my mind.
I think it was 2 weeks ago i witness you guys RE FTEing Vulak after a wipe by, in my opinion, exploiting a FTE Mechanic (Monk that was on Vulak Agro list FD and wait for him to path back for 2 sec & stand up).
That pure bullshit everyone could do that and never have to "fear" to wipe to be honest & could get another 1h lock on this famous mob. You got away with it and there is a post in raid dsicusion about Re FTEing a mob ... Without this example. That blow my mind to be honest.
In the perfect world, if every parties were honest & honorable. Conceding 2 mobs ll be enough ofc. But it's not the case, from what i saw (in my opinion at least). it's more "bend the rules until we get caught"
TLDR : You played dirty(again), ignored the truth, and try to shift the blame with a gross PR Tactic to get away cause this time, unfortunatly for you, there is Crystal Clear evidences.
Swish
12-29-2016, 07:29 AM
I am sorry dude but you & others are keep repeating "Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week ..." that look like some stupid PR Move to shift the Blame.
He & others call you out on your bullshit multiple times. But you get away most of the time cause it's not "crystal clear" evidence/s from what i understood/saw.
From what i saw the Slogan that ll definite Awakened for raiding will be "Do everything until others can prove we're guilty".
I dont have a lot of experience with this "Raiding scene" but i have a pretty good common sense. At least i think. Let's me give you one example of the "bullshit" that come to my mind.
I think it was 2 weeks ago i witness you guys RE FTEing Vulak after a wipe by, in my opinion, exploiting a FTE Mechanic (Monk that was on Vulak Agro list FD and wait for him to path back for 2 sec & stand up).
That pure bullshit everyone could do that and never have to "fear" to wipe to be honest & could get another 1h lock on this famous mob. You got away with it and there is a post in raid dsicusion about Re FTEing a mob ... Without this example. That blow my mind to be honest.
In the perfect world, if every parties were honest & honorable. Conceding 2 mobs ll be enough ofc. But it's not the case, from what i saw (in my opinion at least). it's more "bend the rules until we get caught"
TLDR : You played dirty(again), ignored the truth, and try to shift the blame with a gross PR Tactic to get away cause this time, unfortunatly for you, there is Crystal Clear evidences.
http://i.imgur.com/RdcsTzC.png
spanky_kc
12-29-2016, 10:28 AM
The guy(Hjial) stopped turned around @ NtoV door then a few seconds later clicked off his AoN to act like a different person running. Then FTE Vulak, then sent a tell saying he got a good jump b/c of Bind Sight, then............. Let his guild kill it w/o telling them or told them and they didn't care anyways because they know it would take a good fraps to catch them. This bullshit goes on every week and it needs to stop.
Uuruk
12-29-2016, 10:46 AM
Everquest raiding 2017
LOL U ALL SOUND DUMB AS HELL
Phenyo
12-29-2016, 10:53 AM
This entire thread is /drugs/
Whirled
12-29-2016, 11:14 AM
http://i.imgur.com/r1647Os.png
I must say that I'm very unhappy with how my overly large extended family spends their days on my tax dollars. Please get out more & stop fighting over dragons.
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html
You should cherish what you have because not everyone is blessed with the things you take for granted and enjoy.
FatMice
12-29-2016, 11:50 AM
I must say that I'm very unhappy with how my overly large extended family spends their days on my tax dollars. Please get out more & stop fighting over dragons.
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html
You should cherish what you have because not everyone is blessed with the things you take for granted and enjoy.
Wrong thread. Right idea.
Whirled
12-29-2016, 11:59 AM
Wrong thread. Right idea.
Thanks brother. I walked into the wrong seminar room apparently :D
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