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[Teppler]

Sascha Baron Cohen calls for censorship for the goyim.

http://businessinsider.com/sacha-baron-cohen-criticizes-silicon-six-billionaires-adl-speech-video-2019-11

Isn’t this guys entire schtick various forms of black face?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

One black guy and he isn't making fun of black people with Ali G more promoting an english stereo type of chav people. Ali G (if name was changed) could of easily been done with a white guy speaking exactly the same.

[Teppler]

One black guy and he isn't making fun of black people with Ali G more promoting an english stereo type of chav people. Ali G (if name was changed) could of easily been done with a white guy speaking exactly the same.

Is the idea of blackface type comedy only wrong when it’s done mocking black people?

Is it not wrong to mock poor middle eastern people by dressing up like them and mocking them too? Chavs?

[Wonkie]

Is the idea of blackface type comedy only wrong when it’s done mocking black people?

Is it not wrong to mock poor middle eastern people by dressing up like them and mocking them too? Chavs?

a chav is a british hoodlum. they like to stab.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Is the idea of blackface type comedy only wrong when it’s done mocking black people?

Is it not wrong to mock poor middle eastern people by dressing up like them and mocking them too? Chavs?

My understanding of black face is literally painting your face black to mock a person of that colour. So yeah ok i get what you mean.

You mean he mocks racial stereotypes. Not cool no. I cant help but feel there is another reason you zero in on Sacha though. Tell me im wrong Tep.

[Jimjam]

Is the idea of blackface type comedy only wrong when it’s done mocking black people?

Is it not wrong to mock poor middle eastern people by dressing up like them and mocking them too? Chavs?

Imho he is using the dress as a vehicle to expose and mock other people's prejudice. The joke is against the people who buy into the costume/character.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Imho he is using the dress as a vehicle to expose and mock other people's prejudice. The joke is against the people who buy into the costume/character.

Again i think he knows that but i think we allllll know why he is zeroing with Mr Cohen. I would possibly have more respect for him if he just admited it really.

[Teppler]

Imho he is using the dress as a vehicle to expose and mock other people's prejudice. The joke is against the people who buy into the costume/character.

Do you not see how the same exact thing is done with blackface?

Use a black disguise as a vehicle to do whatever. Are you aware most people that have done black face have attempted to do it for this reason?

Do you think poor middle easterners enjoy borats portrayal of them as backwards racist non sensical trash?

[Teppler]

My understanding of black face is literally painting your face black to mock a person of that colour. So yeah ok i get what you mean.

You mean he mocks racial stereotypes. Not cool no. I cant help but feel there is another reason you zero in on Sacha though. Tell me im wrong Tep.

Rules for radicals. Make the enemy play by their own rules.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Tumbleweed on my question of not having an ulterior motive for bashing Sacha Cohen. Like a true politician :)

[Teppler]

He’s part of the left wing establishment that cries about racism everywhere. And he’s about as bigoted as it gets. Like I said my motive is making the elite establishment play by the own rules they try to put on the commoners. What is your motive in defending his bigoted behavior?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

My understanding of black face is literally painting your face black to mock a person of that colour. So yeah ok i get what you mean.

You mean he mocks racial stereotypes. Not cool no. I cant help but feel there is another reason you zero in on Sacha though. Tell me im wrong Tep.

I dunno tep, seems i DID say it was not cool. Not what i would call defending.

[feniin]

Surprise, surprise. Teppler is offended by a Jew.

[Teppler]

I’m just an opponent of racism and bigotry in all its forms. It makes me cry inside when I see a wealthy elite dress up as a poor middle easterner to mock poor brown families just getting by in their war torn countries. I’m not surprised the left loves this stuff though.

[feniin]

I’m just an opponent of racism and bigotry in all its forms. It makes me cry inside when I see a wealthy elite dress up as a poor middle easterner to mock poor brown families just getting by in their war torn countries. I’m not surprised the left loves this stuff though.

Oh, okay. :rolleyes:

[galach]

Weekly reminder to watch the personal attacks or be banned.

[Teppler]

Is clowning on “chavs” popular in UK media? Aren’t they known as a poor, economically deprived group of people?

Can anyone explain why dressing up and acting like a chav to mock them is good taste but blackface is not?

[Wonkie]

I’m just an opponent of racism and bigotry in all its forms. It makes me cry inside when I see a wealthy elite dress up as a poor middle easterner to mock poor brown families just getting by in their war torn countries. I’m not surprised the left loves this stuff though.

Small quibble, Kazakhstan is Central Asia and they went to Iraq with us. They are not war-torn, despite your prejudice.

[Teppler]

Small quibble, Kazakhstan is Central Asia and they went to Iraq with us. They are not war-torn, despite your prejudice.

Do we really want to dissect all the ways he mocked Kazakhstan? Wasn’t a big joke in that movie about them fucking their brothers and sisters?

[Wonkie]

Do we really want to dissect all the ways he mocked Kazakhstan? Wasn’t a big joke in that movie about them fucking their brothers and sisters?

Refer to Jimjam theory for edification.

[Kayso2]

The "ism" in racism means something. Specifically, it's the key differentiator between racism and mere bigotry or prejudice.

Tropes are tools for artistic expression. Comparing something done for artistic performance with something done by an edgy frat brat at Halloween is intellectually dishonest.

[tinklepee]

Can't disagree with the Jewish millionaire who wants to use the lobbying power of other Jewish millionaires to stifle your free speech. That would be anti-Semitic. :cool:

[Jimjam]

Do you not see how the same exact thing is done with blackface?

Use a black disguise as a vehicle to do whatever. Are you aware most people that have done black face have attempted to do it for this reason?

Do you think poor middle easterners enjoy borats portrayal of them as backwards racist non sensical trash?

I don't believe I communicated any position on how I feel about black face. You're right it can be used for all sorts of reasons. I think Mitchell and Webb didnit particularly well!

Cohen indeed was unpopular with a few populations for the Borat movie, particularly those from where he recorded the 'Kazakhstan' scenes (incidentally not in Kazakhstan, which was historically a Soviet Block country. One of my history classmates father had something to do with running the electricity company there iirc, perhaps an Oligarch. The boy was an excellent Rugby player. Didn't match the stereotype too well, but you can't expect someone of this background to. He wasn't an ethnic Kazac, his heritage was Russian. I knew a lot of 'Ali G' types, who bought into the American hiphop culture. The irony is their dads were all loaded so they largely lived the lifestyle those rappers fantasized about (minus the homicide. Largely, this was the start of the knife crime era)

Contemporary blackface is seen as distastful as the perception is it tends to reinforce instead of deconstruct stereotypes.

By the way Tepplar, I don't know if anyone has mentioned it to you before, but your conversation style on Forums, to me at least, sometimes comes across as rather confrontational, as if you're attacking a person based on assumptions you've made about them. I appreciate that compared to face to face discourse a lot of communication is lost over text, despite the best efforts of our friends the emoticons.

[Jimjam]

Do we really want to dissect all the ways he mocked Kazakhstan? Wasn’t a big joke in that movie about them fucking their brothers and sisters?

He was mocking those he interviewed, and even, yes us, the viewer, for so easily falling for a stereotype that Kaziks are impoverished, incestuous, antisemetic middle eastern ignorami.

Edit: i missed out goatfucking sodomites.

Of course these traits Cohen poured onto Kazikhstan were largely coldreading and embellishments of our own false prejudices of 'others'.

It was rather damaging, especially as many didn't get the 'joke'.

[Horza]

I’m just an opponent of racism and bigotry in all its forms.

I highly doubt anyone was systematically killed.

The US had concentration camps just like Germany for their foreign populations. The difference? The allies won the war and could continue to feed their prisoners. The axis were losing on multiple fronts and had supply lines cut off. The Germans couldn’t even feed their own soldiers by the end of the war let alone POWs. Any burning that happened had to do with disinfecting from typhus. Somehow that turned into propaganda about mass burnings alive.

Reality- Auschwitz "holocaust survivor" interviews, in their own words... watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enDkqO1OKCc

Orchestras

Painting

Sports

Medical care

Ballet

Beer

Movie theaters

etc.

Was it a “extermination camp"? Or a POW camp where people died towards the end of the war due to starvation and disease? By all realistic accounts German POWs were treated extremely well by POW standards and they tried to keep them alive as long as possible. Hence why all the death pictures of them are skin and bones. Gassing a person doesn’t magically make you skin and bones. That’s what starving does and the Germans were cut off from supply lines. Same thing would of happened to US prisoners if we lost.

[Teppler]

That’s not how it works Jim. Most people doing blackface weren’t trying to directly mock black people but it horrendously mocked them none the less. Sounds like you don't know any history of black face. Allow me to educate you. Watch Howard Stern and Sara Silverman do blackface and see what it's all about-

https://i.imgur.com/AgcOfwj.png

https://i.imgur.com/EnUdKHe.jpg

Now I'll show you how you are a hypocrite further with those viewpoints Jim. Imagine the shoe on the other foot.

Imagine someone not jewish doing the most offensive jewish stereotypes possible while dressing up as them. Real venomous stuff. Pushing them as controlling everything with money, pedophiles, subversive but if the main joke is on interviewer, it's all kosher? This would not fly in Hollywood. Anything remotely anti semitic gets destroyed and never sees the light of day. Try and figure out why the double standard exists and what Sasha Cohen is doing.

[BallzDeep]

The "ism" in racism means something. Specifically, it's the key differentiator between racism and mere bigotry or prejudice.

Tropes are tools for artistic expression. Comparing something done for artistic performance with something done by an edgy frat brat at Halloween is intellectually dishonest.

Unfortunately artistic expression is subjective. I think the obvious point here is that when you are taking someones point under consideration, you need to figure out where there own morale lands.

Is it very hypocritical for Cohen to call out media and specifically breitbart when there are leftist news organizations that do the exact same thing? Yes. Is it ironic for him to act as though he is the whistleblower and white knight when he has ruined peoples lives through his TV series and movies? Yes. We should not be taking advice from Cohen. He is good at comedy, he isn't good at dictating which way the nation should be lead or any beacon of moral fairness.

If you haven't watched all of his content from the original Ali G series on HBO to his movies, the guy has hit bigotry in every form. Made fun of gays - Check. Made fun of jews and gypsies. Check. Made fun of the middle east. Check. Made fun of Africa and had a child shipped through the airport as a joke. Check.

I think the thing Teppler is asking for is consistency. If something is racist, it is racist across the board and still only subject to your opinion.

[Horza]

Real venomous stuff. Pushing them as controlling everything with money, pedophiles, subversive but if the main joke is on interviewer, it's all kosher? This would not fly in Hollywood. Anything remotely anti semitic gets destroyed and never sees the light of day. Try and figure out why the double standard exists and what Sasha Cohen is doing.

And on this day, young Teppler first discovered the concept of satire.

Is it very hypocritical for Cohen to call out media and specifically breitbart when there are leftist news organizations that do the exact same thing?

For an enlightened centrist you spend an unusual amount of time defending the reputations of race-baiting, far-right websites like Breitbart.

[Wonkie]

I think the thing Teppler is asking for is consistency.


What's that called?

[Teppler]

Yes black face is satire and disgusting outdated one at that. Doesn’t surprise me Horza doesn’t really understand the problem with it.

[Horza]

Lindsey Graham says the White House directed block of Armenian genocide resolution. As he was leaving the Oval Office, senior White House staff asked him to return to the Senate and block the Armenian genocide resolution, a measure that would have infuriated Erdoğan. (https://www.axios.com/white-house-lindsey-graham-armenian-genocide-b3886afb-c626-476b-8a44-6d7197acd963.html)

[Teppler]

Unfortunately artistic expression is subjective. I think the obvious point here is that when you are taking someones point under consideration, you need to figure out where there own morale lands.

Is it very hypocritical for Cohen to call out media and specifically breitbart when there are leftist news organizations that do the exact same thing? Yes. Is it ironic for him to act as though he is the whistleblower and white knight when he has ruined peoples lives through his TV series and movies? Yes. We should not be taking advice from Cohen. He is good at comedy, he isn't good at dictating which way the nation should be lead or any beacon of moral fairness.

If you haven't watched all of his content from the original Ali G series on HBO to his movies, the guy has hit bigotry in every form. Made fun of gays - Check. Made fun of jews and gypsies. Check. Made fun of the middle east. Check. Made fun of Africa and had a child shipped through the airport as a joke. Check.

I think the thing Teppler is asking for is consistency. If something is racist, it is racist across the board and still only subject to your opinion.

Kind of. I’m passed the point of pleading for fairness. I just like to point out the elites as hypocrites now. You aren’t going to reason with these types. But you can show them off as the sleaze bags they are.

[Jimjam]

That’s not how it works Jim. Most people doing blackface weren’t trying to directly mock black people but it horrendously mocked them none the less. Sounds like you don't know any history of black face. Allow me to educate you. Watch Howard Stern and Sara Silverman do blackface and see what it's all about-

https://i.imgur.com/AgcOfwj.png

https://i.imgur.com/EnUdKHe.jpg

Now I'll show you how you are a hypocrite further with those viewpoints Jim. Imagine the shoe on the other foot.

Imagine someone not jewish doing the most offensive jewish stereotypes possible while dressing up as them. Real venomous stuff. Pushing them as controlling everything with money, pedophiles, subversive but if the main joke is on interviewer, it's all kosher? This would not fly in Hollywood. Anything remotely anti semitic gets destroyed and never sees the light of day. Try and figure out why the double standard exists and what Sasha Cohen is doing.

You seen to have misunderstood my post, and i have to take some of the blame for that.

When I said 'Mitchell and Webb didnit well' it was supposed to read 'did it well'.

I'm giving examples of how I think black face can be done acceptably, not just blanket dismissing it nor endorsing it. Nothing is so simple.

[Horza]

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia has also done blackface and nobody got mad at them because they aren't hate-fueled bigots.

[Teppler]

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia has also done blackface and nobody got mad at them because they aren't hate-fueled bigots.

We get it you love black face and how it degrades people.

[Kaveh]

Do you not see how the same exact thing is done with blackface?

Use a black disguise as a vehicle to do whatever. Are you aware most people that have done black face have attempted to do it for this reason?

Do you think poor middle easterners enjoy borats portrayal of them as backwards racist non sensical trash?

I rather enjoyed borat. Also, Kazakhstan is Central Asia. Not the same as us dumb dumb

I hate to agree with Tep slightly, but the initial gypsy village scenes in Borat are quite racist and perhaps a gentile wouldn’t have gotten away with showing them so derisively in a movie

[Horza]

We get it you love black face and how it degrades people.

I actually don't care for that episode or the Ali G show for that matter, and I certainly don't love black face.

[Jimjam]

We get it you love black face and how it degrades people.

For what it's worth I think Borat was very dangerous and damaging. Even if it was fun to laugh at ignorant americans. And that just exposes me as ignorant as I bought the narrative of 'Americans are ignorant and don't know about foreign nations or cultures'.

[Teppler]

For what it's worth I think Borat was very dangerous and damaging. Even if it was fun to laugh at ignorant americans. And that just exposes me as ignorant as I bought the narrative of 'Americans are ignorant and don't know about foreign nations or cultures'.

And I’ll point out again, all his characters are some derivative of black face. And he has the balls to preach censorship about dangerous nasty speech.

[Horza]

For what it's worth I think Borat was very dangerous and damaging. Even if it was fun to laugh at ignorant americans. And that just exposes me as ignorant as I bought the narrative of 'Americans are ignorant and don't know about foreign nations or cultures'.

Most Americans are ignorant and don't know very much about foreign nations or cultures.

[Horza]

Fox News' Pete Hegseth: Trump has withstood more then what “any other mortal could understand.” (https://twitter.com/CourtneyHagle/status/1198654816928579584)

[Jimjam]

And I’ll point out again, all his characters are some derivative of black face. And he has the balls to preach censorship about dangerous nasty speech.

I think almost everyone is in some level of agreement here. It seems we are arguing minutae of where the line shiuld be draw.

Is this level of agreement a politics thread first?!

[Horza]

Fox News' Pete Hegseth: Trump has withstood more then what “any other mortal could understand.” (https://twitter.com/CourtneyHagle/status/1198654816928579584)

https://i.imgur.com/BYjDn6Z.jpg

[suptoofs]

https://i.imgur.com/BYjDn6Z.jpg

How have I not seen this before. LOL

A+

[Jimjam]

Who is Horus/Warmaster/Archtraitor?

Do we have an Abaddon yet?!

[Horza]

One thousand psykers are rounded up each day and sacrificed to power the machine that keeps Trump from tweeting embarrassing crap.

[Wonkie]

Tim Eyman is more trustworthy than Jay Inslee (https://mynorthwest.com/1612257/tim-eyman-jay-inslee-washington/?)

Tim Eyman’s donors gave him money voluntarily and I am not aware of any Eyman donors who sued Tim’s over his finances. It’s different with Jay Inslee. Inslee used state moneys for his own gain. He forced all of us to be donors to his campaign. No one in existence thought Jay Inslee could be President.

[Kaveh]

Fox News' Pete Hegseth: Trump has withstood more then what “any other mortal could understand.” (https://twitter.com/CourtneyHagle/status/1198654816928579584)

His arteries certainly have

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/Di8pbnp.jpg

Is it just me or can you tell this guy is evil just by looking at him? Looks like a demon imo.

Does anyone believe this guy wants the best for yourself and your children when he preaches about why we need more censorship?

[Domo]

snowflake, dont cry

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/Di8pbnp.jpg

Is it just me or can you tell this guy is evil just by looking at him? Looks like a demon imo.

Take your meds, Teppler.

[feniin]

Definitely going to hear about him on the news at this rate.

[Teppler]

Definitely going to hear about him on the news at this rate.

How can you say that when you are here autistically screeching about Drumph literally every day 10x worse?

[Horza]

David Pecker, the head of the company that publishes the National Enquirer, met with prosecutors with the New York district attorney's office to discuss the Trump Organization’s handling of hush money payments to women who alleged they had affairs with the president. (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/25/politics/national-enquirer-ami-david-pecker-prosecutors/index.html)

[feniin]

How can you say that when you are here autistically screeching about Drumph literally every day 10x worse?

Go ahead and quote one of my posts that is worse. Stop running your ignorant mouth and try paying attention once in a while. :o

[BallzDeep]

Go ahead and quote one of my posts that is worse. Stop running your ignorant mouth and try paying attention once in a while. :o

Worse is subjective.

[Wonkie]

Worse is subjective.

So are the British.

[BallzDeep]

Btw Horza, CNN sucks now and lost pretty much all credibility. If you go to their homepage they do nothing but promote anti Trump stories but their top stories/trending are nothing related to politics. It's gotta be bad when you dedicate your whole home page to politics and people aren't even interested except for a select challenged few.

[feniin]

Btw Horza, CNN sucks now and lost pretty much all credibility. If you go to their homepage they do nothing but promote anti Trump stories but their top stories/trending are nothing related to politics. It's gotta be bad when you dedicate your whole home page to politics and people aren't even interested except for a select challenged few.

I think only crazy people visit news sites directly. Every bit of news I get is aggregated.

[Horza]

Btw Horza, CNN sucks now and lost pretty much all credibility. If you go to their homepage they do nothing but promote anti Trump stories but their top stories/trending are nothing related to politics. It's gotta be bad when you dedicate your whole home page to politics and people aren't even interested except for a select challenged few.

Okay, but we already know that you think all non-Breitbart sources are secretly run by a cabal of Jewish people.

[Horza]

Meanwhile, on the parallel world in which Fox News takes place: Steve Moore attacks the "mythology" of rising income inequality, saying "if the middle class is disappearing, it's only disappearing because the middle class is getting richer." (https://twitter.com/tylermonroe7/status/1199042821497507841)

[Domo]

@BallzDeep

true that you using Breitband as reference?

I mean I know that CNN sucks as much as Fox News, but Breitband is like wearing a foil hat already.

[Domo]

Jeff Bezos makes $98.5 million donation, UK Labour leader calls him out: ‘Just pay your taxes’ (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/25/uk-leader-corbyn-to-amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-just-pay-your-taxes.html)

[Horza]

Fox News host Tucker Carlson openly said that he is rooting for Russia in its armed conflict with Ukraine, only to walk it back at the end of the broadcast and say “of course, I’m joking.” Carlson shouted without a hint of irony, “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? And I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia? Which I am.” (https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-says-hes-rooting-for-russia-in-conflict-with-ukraine-then-claims-hes-joking)

[Jimjam]

Jeff Bezos makes $98.5 million donation, UK Labour leader calls him out: ‘Just pay your taxes’ (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/25/uk-leader-corbyn-to-amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-just-pay-your-taxes.html)

In UK you can write off donations against taxes, so in a way he is paying his taxes :D.

Epiphany: wait, is this why republican voters donate more: 1) they have more money to donate 2) they can write it off against tax, letting them have their ideal situation of paying less tax and be immediately responsible for their charitable actions instead?

[Zeboim]

Bezos giving 100 million is the same as one of us giving $50.

And that's probably generous.

[feniin]

Bezos giving 100 million is the same as one of us giving $50.

And that's probably generous.

Closer to $5

[Teppler]

Wealthy elites largely don’t pay any taxes at all while they preach to us middle and lower class people how it’s our duty to support social programs.

[feniin]

Wealthy elites largely don’t pay any taxes at all while they preach to us middle and lower class people how it’s our duty to support social programs.

Just because they're doing it wrong doesn't mean it isn't our duty to support social programs. They just need a functional administration to properly tax them. Not going to happen when the President himself is a tax dodger.

[Wonkie]

Bezos giving 100 million is the same as one of us giving $50.

And that's probably generous.

How much food can it purchase?

[Teppler]

Just because they're doing it wrong doesn't mean it isn't our duty to support social programs. They just need a functional administration to properly tax them. Not going to happen when the President himself is a tax dodger.

I support social programs but you aren’t realizing they are putting you in a spin.

We can take care of American citizens if we do it right. What is not possible is taking care of the entire world via opening up immigration, illegal and otherwise.

One or the other take your pick. Trying both at once, which we are doing, which you largely support, is playing right into the elites hands. Get off Drumph for a moment and let’s have a real discussion here.

[feniin]

Who is "they"

[Teppler]

The elites that are not paying taxes.

[Horza]

Who is "they"

Do you really need to ask when you're speaking with Teppler?

[BallzDeep]

@BallzDeep

true that you using Breitband as reference?

I mean I know that CNN sucks as much as Fox News, but Breitband is like wearing a foil hat already.

No, not true. I haven't really referenced any news here minus maybe like 3 stories from the left that counter the arguments they are having on other left news sources. I think I've gone to Breitbart maybe like 5 times in my life. I think the sources that Horza uses like The Daily Beast are the equivalent. Go to the page and it's a bunch of conspiracy theories from people on the left. No other legitimate news, just smear campaigns. I'm just not the idiot calling out Breitbart and not acknowledging the elephant in the room that the left has equivalent.

On the comment of Bezo's donating more and that being why Republicans donate more annually. The connection isn't there. Yes, the wealthy utilize donations as tax write offs on both parties.

Bezo's is actually more of a democrat. He has donated to low levels of government for Democrats. The reason why Republicans donate more is because in rural areas, people are more inclined to donate for a school programs, food drives or for church. If you have a sense of community, you are more inclined to donate.

"This idea of purity and you're never compromised and you're always politically woke, and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly," Obama said.

Think this applies to a few here.

[Kaveh]

Just because they're doing it wrong doesn't mean it isn't our duty to support social programs. They just need a functional administration to properly tax them. Not going to happen when the President himself is a tax dodger.

California spends $500,000 per unit on homeless housing, while Houston spends about $20,000 per unit per annum. It really depends, but it certainly is not “our duty” to support corrupt Machine politics in states without sane management. California and Illinois are horribly mismanaged at almost all levels, while Texas somehow keeps an 80% obese diabetic Hispanic population housed clothed and fed

really makes you think

[Zeboim]

That shouldn't surprise you, a single room shotgun shack in California costs $600k and they're doing new construction. Houston's giant dystopian nightmare sprawl makes housing cheap by comparison and there's abundant stock for rock bottom prices.

[Kaveh]

That shouldn't surprise you, a single room shotgun shack in California costs $600k and they're doing new construction. Houston's giant dystopian nightmare sprawl makes housing cheap by comparison and there's abundant stock for rock bottom prices.

Houston is not more sprawling than LA. Hope this helps. I can buy a lot of bullets for $500,000 and really clean up the homeless problem in Cali

[feniin]

Houston is garbage. Nobody should want to live there.

[Kaveh]

Yeah, they aren’t sending their best, that’s for sure

[Horza]

Daily Wire host criticizes Mr. Rogers for corrupting boys with his "metrosexual wimpiness," adding "if you really want to have a beautiful day in the neighborhood, call John Wayne and tell him to bring his guns." (https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1199093429847805952)

[Zeboim]

Houston is 170sq miles larger than LA but with half the population.

Hope this helps.

Edit: And before we get into "Muh Greater LA area" - Sprawl is about population concentration, not pure numbers.

[feniin]

Daily Wire host criticizes Mr. Rogers for corrupting boys with his "metrosexual wimpiness," adding "if you really want to have a beautiful day in the neighborhood, call John Wayne and tell him to bring his guns." (https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1199093429847805952)

Anyone who says a disparaging word about Fred Rogers should be cast off into a volcano. That man was as close to perfect as humanly possible.

[Kaveh]

Houston is 170sq miles larger than LA but with half the population.

Hope this helps.

Maybe the city limits? LA is a massive city that has suburbs and exurbs extending almost 100 miles in any direction (excluding the ocean!). LA sucks ass and is inefficient, and $20,000 to $500,000 is pretty stark. Teachers have cheaper housing than the homeless? Fix your zoning laws morons

Also, Houston has great Vietnamese food. LA is trash

[Jimjam]

Do they not realise Mr. Rogers was the lone survivor of The Ultimate Showdown?

I know nothing about the guy, but I know that.

[Kaveh]

Houston is 170sq miles larger than LA but with half the population.

Hope this helps.

Edit: And before we get into "Muh Greater LA area" - Sprawl is about population concentration, not pure numbers.

It’s about $20,000 the $500,000. Your city government is corrupt in the extreme. That’s the number I care about and population dynamics can’t justify the difference regardless. Contractors are inflating costs, as are zoning laws. This is the major problem with Texas potentially going blue. You guys will make it unaffordable to be middle class here as you did in Cali

Sadly, the national Republican Party is shit, but the democrats are pretty bad at any local level where they’ve been entrenched for a while. The graft and patronage networks make cities like LA look like middle eastern municipalities in terms of governance

[Horza]

Apparent monarchist Alan Dershowitz on Fox News: "Of course the President's not the king. The President's far more powerful than the king. The President has the power that kings have never had." (https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1199165343765270528)

[feniin]

Apparent monarchist Alan Dershowitz on Fox News: "Of course the President's not the king. The President's far more powerful than the king. The President has the power that kings have never had." (https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1199165343765270528)

Either he's an idiot or we're about to go down a very dark road.

[Zeboim]

I live in Texas but okay. Houston is a nightmare of parking lots and garbage sprawl, I drive through it all the time.

In the end, the 500k number comes from new construction - that's your problem. New construction regardless of where you are right now is going to be rife with pork and substandard garbage - hell even Trump's giant pork barrel (sometimes referred to as a wall) recently made headlines... because some guys with saws cut a hole in it so big that they could drive a truck through it.

There's tons of housing inventory open in the Houston area and the Great State of Texas is damn sure not building anything new. I had my Grandparent's house in Houston appraised recently and their 1500sqft brick house was valued at about 140k in good condition. A far, far cry from anything in LA and the state can get something like that for pennies on the dollar.

[Horza]

You couldn't even buy a one bedroom condo in Los Angeles for one hundred and forty thousand dollars.

[Kaveh]

You couldn't even buy a one bedroom condo in Los Angeles for one hundred and forty thousand dollars.

There’s a policy reason behind that, which you guys seem to be missing. It isn’t solely population density

[Wonkie]

There’s a policy reason behind that, which you guys seem to be missing. It isn’t solely population density

Yeah safety regulations are expensive to enforce and adhere to.

[Kaveh]

Yeah safety regulations are expensive to enforce and adhere to.

Coastal zoning laws actually. Less about earthquakes more about Malibu, Orange County, Beverly Hills, etc. can’t build massive multi-unit rental properties in Cali when the rich are nearby

[Wonkie]

Coastal zoning laws actually. Less about earthquakes more about Malibu, Orange County, Beverly Hills, etc. can’t build massive multi-unit rental properties in Cali when the rich are nearby

BRUTALISM?

[Horza]

Fox News' Jesse Watters: "When you raise taxes on the wealthy so someone can go to college for free," that's "one step away from communism." (https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1199456437199659008)

[BallzDeep]

I live in Texas but okay. Houston is a nightmare of parking lots and garbage sprawl, I drive through it all the time.

In the end, the 500k number comes from new construction - that's your problem. New construction regardless of where you are right now is going to be rife with pork and substandard garbage - hell even Trump's giant pork barrel (sometimes referred to as a wall) recently made headlines... because some guys with saws cut a hole in it so big that they could drive a truck through it.

There's tons of housing inventory open in the Houston area and the Great State of Texas is damn sure not building anything new. I had my Grandparent's house in Houston appraised recently and their 1500sqft brick house was valued at about 140k in good condition. A far, far cry from anything in LA and the state can get something like that for pennies on the dollar.

I don't know how you live in Texas and don't realize that it's one of the fastest growing states. Population growth and everything in the past 10 years has been abundant. Texas housing market is on the rise. Try to find something in Austin for cheap. There are a lot of similarities between the market in Austin and what LA has become. Overpriced, filled with red tape and zoning regulations. In Austin, it works right now because we have the jobs and growth but becoming a problem with infrastructure. This has also come at a time where Austin is migrating more to blue than red. Too many people from CA moving here because they dislike CA but want to make Texas like CA.

Median home is Austin is now 400K.

I know they recently passed a law where the homeless could set up camp in Austin. They littered the highways and basically would claim a whole block. It became an issue and lasted about 3 months before people were going back to conservative opinions on that issue.

[Wonkie]

I don't know how you live in Texas and don't realize that it's one of the fastest growing states. Population growth and everything in the past 10 years has been abundant. Texas housing market is on the rise. Try to find something in Austin for cheap. There are a lot of similarities between the market in Austin and what LA has become. Overpriced, filled with red tape and zoning regulations. In Austin, it works right now because we have the jobs and growth but becoming a problem with infrastructure. This has also come at a time where Austin is migrating more to blue than red. Too many people from CA moving here because they dislike CA but want to make Texas like CA.

Median home is Austin is now 400K.

I know they recently passed a law where the homeless could set up camp in Austin. They littered the highways and basically would claim a whole block. It became an issue and lasted about 3 months before people were going back to conservative opinions on that issue.

Homelessness is a winning issue for the Right.

Would you vote for a Buff Bald Guy? His name is Delaney and he gets booed.

[BallzDeep]

Homelessness is a winning issue for the Right.

Would you vote for a Buff Bald Guy? His name is Delaney and he gets booed.

Definitely more moderate of the bunch and should be more of a front runner in my honest opinion. Haven't looked up all his talking points but know he is for a choice system for healthcare which, I'm more in support then healthcare for all. But I'm still a big believer in responsibility and I think if there is some sort of oppression,you can always fight it and work in ways to make yourself useful. Stuff like paying for healthcare or wanting better healthcare makes people more responsible in a way. There are a few circumstances where you can't but I believe freedom of choice trumps everything else.

[Domo]

Fox News' Jesse Watters: "When you raise taxes on the wealthy so someone can go to college for free," that's "one step away from communism." (https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1199456437199659008)

LOL

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/ssWqKqP.jpg

[Domo]

whats next, using taxpayers money to build roads is communism?

[Horza]

President Trump warned that an unnamed force wants Thanksgiving to be called something other than “Thanksgiving” at a rally Tuesday night. (https://www.mediaite.com/trump/war-on-thanksgiving-goes-from-fox-news-to-trumps-rally-people-want-to-change-the-name/)

[Wonkie]

Definitely more moderate of the bunch and should be more of a front runner in my honest opinion. Haven't looked up all his talking points but know he is for a choice system for healthcare which, I'm more in support then healthcare for all. But I'm still a big believer in responsibility and I think if there is some sort of oppression,you can always fight it and work in ways to make yourself useful. Stuff like paying for healthcare or wanting better healthcare makes people more responsible in a way. There are a few circumstances where you can't but I believe freedom of choice trumps everything else.

Butt is for choice too but Baldy has the better ride.

https://i.imgur.com/KZSZcZK.jpg

[Teppler]

President Trump warned that an unnamed force wants Thanksgiving to be called something other than “Thanksgiving” at a rally Tuesday night. (https://www.mediaite.com/trump/war-on-thanksgiving-goes-from-fox-news-to-trumps-rally-people-want-to-change-the-name/)

Sorry but we’re not going to let you change thanksgiving Horza.

[Teppler]

MAGA

[Domo]

Welcome to 2019 (https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article237802609.html) LOL

[Rader]

Just to clarify, Michelle Obama's dong is not that big

Not sure why you all think she is a man

[Kaveh]

whats next, using taxpayers money to build roads is communism?

Housing the homeless is cheaper than letting them do heroin / die on the streets. My issue is how California being inefficient at it. The unemployed should be housed in newly qnnexed Greenland. kaveh 2020

[Horza]

Housing the homeless is cheaper than letting them do heroin / die on the streets. My issue is how California being inefficient at it. The unemployed should be housed in newly qnnexed Greenland. kaveh 2020

I think that he was referring to the quote from Fox News: "When you raise taxes on the wealthy so someone can go to college for free," that's "one step away from communism." (https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1199456437199659008)

[Zeboim]

Rent Control.

[Wonkie]

Housing the homeless is cheaper than letting them do heroin / die on the streets. My issue is how California being inefficient at it. The unemployed should be housed in newly qnnexed Greenland. kaveh 2020

A sharper mind might think of it as hospice.

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/k6BzSg8.jpg

[Horza]

Republicans tried to rig the vote in Michigan but ‘political novices’ just defeated them. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/27/gerrymandering-michigan-citizens-voters-not-politicians)

District Judge Janet Neff's decision means that the independent redistricting commission, not state lawmakers, is still expected to draw the state’s electoral districts in 2021 for the first time. Emails made public last year revealed a Republican aide bragging about cramming “Dem garbage” into certain Michigan districts in 2011, as they drew the current electoral boundaries.

[Rader]

whats next, using taxpayers money to build roads is communism?

No. Roads are a totally legit government expenditure. Things that are the public good, that all can use, are great uses of taxpayer dollars. The problem is you F ing libturds want the government to spend money on redistribution of wealth. That is not cool, and totally communist, and I will oppose that kind of sh-t 24/7

[Horza]

Things that are the public good, that all can use, are great uses of taxpayer dollars.

I also support universal healthcare.

[Wonkie]

No. Roads are a totally legit government expenditure. Things that are the public good, that all can use, are great uses of taxpayer dollars. The problem is you F ing libturds want the government to spend money on redistribution of wealth. That is not cool, and totally communist, and I will oppose that kind of sh-t 24/7

I bet you're really mad at Trump for the corporate tax cut.

[Toehammer]

I bet you're really mad at Trump for the corporate tax cut.

It is not redistribution of wealth if it was never distributed to the government (taxed) in the first place.

[Horza]

Republican candidate Danielle Stella, who is trying to unseat Representative Ilhan Omar, has been suspended from Twitter after posting a tweet calling for the congresswoman to be "tried for treason and hanged." (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/27/ilhan-omar-challenger-permanently-suspended-from-t/)

[feniin]

Republican candidate Danielle Stella, who is trying to unseat Representative Ilhan Omar, has been suspended from Twitter after posting a tweet calling for the congresswoman to be "tried for treason and hanged." (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/27/ilhan-omar-challenger-permanently-suspended-from-t/)

I really want to know what treason these crazy people think Omar has committed. Probably the same treason as Hillary and Obama? The crime of being a Democrat?

[Horza]

I really want to know what treason these crazy people think Omar has committed. Probably the same treason as Hillary and Obama? The crime of being a Democrat?

Rep. Ilhan Omar’s opponents allege she shared sensitive information with the Iranian government.

[feniin]

Rep. Ilhan Omar’s opponents allege she shared sensitive information with the Iranian government.

Oh, friend's dad was ranting about that and that some "blue checkmark" with an Islamic sounding name was verifying the information, claiming she would be arrested and hanged for treason :rolleyes:

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/c0q0D74.jpg

[feniin]

Nobody ever actually boycotted Chick Fil A -- you can't resist the waffle fries.

[Horza]

Their waffle fries are overrated but they make a mean spicy chicken sandwich.

[Wonkie]

It is not redistribution of wealth if it was never distributed to the government (taxed) in the first place.

Sure it is.

re·dis·tri·bute
/ˌrēdəˈstribyo͞ot/
Learn to pronounce
verb
distribute (something) differently

Unless you're saying corporate welfare increases resource availability I don't wanna hear it.

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/8Fn31Ek.jpg

[Teppler]

A reminder after the election the left took the streets, caused tons of damages and then had charges dropped. The corporate media celebrated their actions as freedom fighters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/06/us/politics/inauguration-protests-charges-dropped.html

This was after they said Trump supporters would be dangerous and violent if he lost. The elites love sponsoring these double standards where leftists are given more liberty to attack others without consequence.

Another example, that Eric Clanton Antifa guy was bashing people over the head with bike locks and he is a free man today.

Imagine if these were riots done by conservatives what the consequences would be.

[feniin]

A reminder after the election the left took the streets, caused tons of damages and then had charges dropped. The corporate media celebrated their actions as freedom fighters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/06/us/politics/inauguration-protests-charges-dropped.html

This was after they said Trump supporters would be dangerous and violent if he lost. The elites love sponsoring these double standards where leftists are given more liberty to attack others without consequence.

Another example, that Eric Clanton Antifa guy was bashing people over the head with bike locks and he is a free man today.

Imagine if these were riots done by conservatives what the consequences would be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:White_nationalist_terrorism

[Horza]

Imagine if these were riots done by conservatives what the consequences would be.

Imagine a world where conservatives stopped watching television and got up off their couches.

[Teppler]

Imagine a world where conservatives stopped watching television and got up off their couches.

The elites and their media punish conservatives and to an extreme level when they gather while they defend and celebrate destructive liberal riots.

Conservatives love to get together. Trumps rally’s are hyuge.

When young conservatives get together to protest they get honey potted, pushed into violence and allowed to be attacked and that’s if it all goes well.

No one with half a brain will go to these things that make no difference anyway. I mean what’s the best case situation at one these? You’re going to get attacked by an unemployed spastic Horza types. Is it really fun hurt them and the have to deal with the consequences?

[Teppler]

Leftists are so often willing to take the street but it makes no sense that they are also very anti gun.

If the government they are protesting is truly tyrannical, you just get shot in the streets.


Did you guys think this one through?

[Horza]

Trumps rally’s are hyuge.

Fox News host Tucker Carlson admits media is right about Trump’s lying: ‘He’s a full-blown BS artist.’ The conservative presenter says the president is a 'compulsive self-promoter.' The Fox News presenter also rejected the White House’s claim that Trump’s 2017 inauguration was “the largest ever measured on the national mall.” He added, “we're not going to lie to you: that was untrue.” (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-tucker-carlson-fox-news-liar-inauguration-election-a9222061.html)

[feniin]

The elites and their media punish conservatives and to an extreme level when they gather while they defend and celebrate destructive liberal riots.

Conservatives love to get together. Trumps rally’s are hyuge.

When young conservatives get together to protest they get honey potted, pushed into violence and allowed to be attacked and that’s if it all goes well.

No one with half a brain will go to these things that make no difference anyway. I mean what’s the best case situation at one these? You’re going to get attacked by an unemployed spastic Horza types. Is it really fun hurt them and the have to deal with the consequences?

more personal attacks :rolleyes:

[feniin]

Leftists are so often willing to take the street but it makes no sense that they are also very anti gun.

If the government they are protesting is truly tyrannical, you just get shot in the streets.


Did you guys think this one through?

Not everything is solved through violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance

[Evets]

Not to mention the Proud boys out there defending themselves against lunatic leftists and then THEY get charged!

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/028/526/honklhonk.jpg
honk honk!

[Teppler]

Not everything is solved through violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance

Ineffective. And the left doesn’t even do this so I’m not sure why you are citing this. The left is incredibly violent and destructive with their riots.

And for good reason. It’s effective to make a ruckus and they largely don’t face consequences like right wingers.

[feniin]

The Proud Boys are a hate group. Basically a modernized Klan.

[Jimjam]

In Iran gun possession is allowed subject to criminal/mental health record checks.

Open carry allowed with permit.

https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/iran

3 figure number of people killed by government forces clamping down on protests.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Iranian_protests

Organised military / police > disorganised civil unrest, even with guns.

I guess you're right; on the journey to tyranny introducing gun control regulation is a great strategic first step for a corrupt government.

Good try I guess Iran (people not Government).

[feniin]

Ineffective. And the left doesn’t even do this so I’m not sure why you are citing this. The left is incredibly violent and destructive with their riots.

And for good reason. It’s effective to make a ruckus and they largely don’t face consequences like right wingers.

Citation needed

[Teppler]

Any conservative group that congregates together gets labeled a hate group. The proud boys are such fucking dorks and the media couldn’t even let them slide without going on the hate group witch hunt.

[Jimjam]

Citation needed

Well Ghandi encouraged it, and that lead to at least 100s of deaths. But then again India did get independence.

[Horza]

Not to mention the Proud boys out there defending themselves against lunatic leftists and then THEY get charged!

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/028/526/honklhonk.jpg
honk honk!

At least this shitposter has the integrity to openly endorse white nationalism rather than just hiding behind dog whistles.

https://i.imgur.com/InKLYA5.png

[Rader]

A reminder after the election the left took the streets, caused tons of damages and then had charges dropped. The corporate media celebrated their actions as freedom fighters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/06/us/politics/inauguration-protests-charges-dropped.html

This was after they said Trump supporters would be dangerous and violent if he lost. The elites love sponsoring these double standards where leftists are given more liberty to attack others without consequence.

Another example, that Eric Clanton Antifa guy was bashing people over the head with bike locks and he is a free man today.

Imagine if these were riots done by conservatives what the consequences would be.

Of course, libturds snivel about sh-t then do 100x worse. If conservatives responded to a hypothetical Hillary win in 2016 the same as the sh-t for brains responded to Trump winning, all hell would have broken loose, Republicans would be labeled traitors, Anitfa would be assassinating conservatives, the lamestream media would be agitating for more killings, non-progressives would be an open target for lynchings.

[Wonkie]

Of course, libturds snivel about sh-t then do 100x worse. If conservatives responded to a hypothetical Hillary win in 2016 the same as the sh-t for brains responded to Trump winning, all hell would have broken loose, Republicans would be labeled traitors, Anitfa would be assassinating conservatives, the lamestream media would be agitating for more killings, non-progressives would be an open target for lynchings.

oh my :D

[feniin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

[Horza]

A draft copy of a report compiled by the Department of Justice inspector general concludes that the FBI didn’t spy on President Trump’s 2016 campaign. The information is expected to be included in the final report that’s due on Dec. 9. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/doj-inspector-general-draft-report-says-fbi-didn-t-spy-n1093066)

[BallzDeep]

A draft copy of a report compiled by the Department of Justice inspector general concludes that the FBI didn’t spy on President Trump’s 2016 campaign. The information from the inspector general is expected to be included in the final report that’s due on Dec. 9. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/doj-inspector-general-draft-report-says-fbi-didn-t-spy-n1093066)


FBI lawyer suspected of altering Russia probe document. (https://www.allsides.com/news/2019-11-22-1021/fbi-lawyer-suspected-altering-russia-probe-document)

[Horza]

FBI lawyer suspected of altering Russia probe document. (https://www.allsides.com/news/2019-11-22-1021/fbi-lawyer-suspected-altering-russia-probe-document)

Attorney General William Barr has said he believed "spying" did occur, but he also made clear at a Senate hearing earlier this year that he had no specific evidence that any surveillance was illegal or improper.

:confused:

[BallzDeep]

Attorney General William Barr has said he believed "spying" did occur, but he also made clear at a Senate hearing earlier this year that he had no specific evidence that any surveillance was illegal or improper.

:confused:

My article: November 22nd, 2019

Don't think you are the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Horza]

Yes, that article that you linked was from a week ago and the copy of the inspector general's report released today concluded that they didn’t spy on Trump’s campaign or commit any illegal or improper acts.

[BallzDeep]

Yes, that article that you linked was from a week ago and the copy of the inspector general's report released today concluded that they didn’t spy on Trump’s campaign or commit any illegal or improper acts.

Right, the lawyer was the scapegoat. Read the article. He was released from his job.
Do you think the guy just randomly falsified information for his own doing that would not change the outcome whatsoever? They are just deeming it okay because they are doing the exact same thing Trump did with Biden and claiming they are using it in accordance with the Russian investigation.

In the court of law, if an attorney falsifies information, the entire case can be thrown out for prejudice.

[Horza]

I think that if any serious irregularities had occurred Trump's DOJ would be shouting it from the rooftops rather than saying there was no illegal or improper activity.

[Teppler]

How do liberals reconcile this idea that Trump is an idiot but somehow he slips through the plans of the democrats smartest minds time and time again. What’s the theory on this?

[Teppler]

The effects of a society flooded with porn-

Frequent masturbation lowers testosterone utilization
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alonso_Fernandez-Guasti/publication/6536830_Relationship_between_Sexual_Satiety_and_Br ain_Androgen_Receptors/links/54b6c2970cf2e68eb27f0321/Relationship-between-Sexual-Satiety-and-Brain-Androgen-Receptors.pdf

Three weeks of abstinence increases testostorone levels
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788

Masturbation is associated with lower psychological health and reproductive well-being
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14681994.2019.1677883

Sperm contains compounds that prolong lifespan, fight cancer & heart disease
https://vitalrecord.tamhsc.edu/spermidine-rich-foods-may-prevent-liver-cancer-extend-lifespan/

Men who are sexually active in their 20s and 30s are more likely to develop prostate cancer
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2008.08030.x

Masturbation decreases dopamine
https://sites.tufts.edu/emotiononthebrain/2014/11/18/postcoital-neurochemistry-the-blues-and-the-highs/

Watching porn reduces gray matter in prefrontal cortex
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1874574

Porn addiction has similar mechanism with substance addiction
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600144/

Making sperm shortens lifespan of male worms
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/03/us/in-worm-at-least-making-sperm-is-found-to-shorten-a-male-s-life.html

Masturbating 3 days in a row decreases sperm count by 20%
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2054949

Increasing ejaculation frequency decreases sperm count significantly
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15497706

Prevalence of erectile dysfunction doubled between 2004 and 2013
http://cir.usc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Genital-Image-Sexual-Anxiety-and-Erectile-Dysfunction-Among-Young-Male-Military-Personnel.pdf

Pornography consumption associated with mental health issues
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6327603/

[feniin]

Yikes. Wow. Just... Yikes.

[Horza]

Trump campaign disputes claim that photo of the president as Rocky Balboa was 'doctored.' (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-campaign-disputes-picture-president-rocky-doctored-1474789)

[Domo]

https://i.imgur.com/Isi6vAA.jpg

[Jimjam]

https://i.imgur.com/Isi6vAA.jpg

Average american dies with 60k debt, average age at death 72. Need to cut that weekly shop by another 15 dollars.

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/Isi6vAA.jpg

Lots of Americans would have good paying jobs right now if our lower class wasn’t flooded with cheap labor via illegal immigration and open borders.

The economic ladder only works when certain conditions are met. When the lower class gets to be too big and there’s a foreign class working under minimum wage then instead of an economic ladder turns more into a situation like crabs in a bucket.

It’s a desirable position for elites though. Crabs pulling each other down will never become a threat like rising talent with an economic ladder available.

[feniin]

Lots of Americans would have good paying jobs right now if our lower class wasn’t flooded with cheap labor via illegal immigration and open borders.

The economic ladder only works when certain conditions are met. When the lower class gets to be too big and there’s a foreign class working under minimum wage then instead of an economic ladder turns more into a situation like crabs in a bucket.

It’s a desirable position for elites though. Crabs pulling each other down will never become a threat like rising talent with an economic ladder available.

Citation needed.

[Jimjam]

Lots of Americans would have good paying jobs right now if our lower class wasn’t flooded with cheap labor via illegal immigration and open borders.

The economic ladder only works when certain conditions are met. When the lower class gets to be too big and there’s a foreign class working under minimum wage then instead of an economic ladder turns more into a situation like crabs in a bucket.

It’s a desirable position for elites though. Crabs pulling each other down will never become a threat like rising talent with an economic ladder available.

Sounds like your complaint is with illegal employers.

[Teppler]

Citation needed.

You ever take an economics course? Let’s have a discussion :D this is what I have a degree in.

[Teppler]

Sounds like your complaint is with illegal employers.

Sure they are a problem. But then you’re still with the crime and infrastructure drain so why would you argue to stop at the employer?

[feniin]

You ever take an economics course? Let’s have a discussion :D this is what I have a degree in.

Your understanding of economics isn't relevant. There are no credible studies suggesting that if we had less "illegals" the poor would make more money. Most businesses don't operate in the best interest of their employees because labor unions have been fucked to all hell by conservative policies.

[Teppler]

Feniin let’s start with the fact that lower up to middle class wages have not risen in over 30 years when you adjust for inflation. With all the technology increases that have made increased production, there’s been no increase for the lower class. There’s been great increase for the upper class during this time.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

Let’s consider an example here. Town A has 1 painter. Someone needs their house painted. This 1 painter has a standard rate and he gets paid a great wage he can largely dictate because no one else is competing.

But then they get another painter. This second painter starts looking for work and will work for a little less money. But still, with 2 painters there’s enough work for both of them to live.

But how about 5 painters in the area? 10? 50? Then say 40 of them come from a war torn country, they fled and now they will work under minimum wage laws and it doesn’t matter if they get caught.

The 1st painters lost their economy. Instead of having a ladder into the middle class, maybe leveraging success into investment or painting business and then eventually the upper class, it turned into a bunch crabs that need to compete for jobs that underpay.

This is the destruction that happens when you have an unlimited lower class that will work under minimum wage laws.

[Horza]

Sure they are a problem. But then you’re still with the crime and infrastructure drain so why would you argue to stop at the employer?

What crime and infrastructure drain?

[Teppler]

What crime and infrastructure drain?

Do illegal immigrants and their children not use schools and hospitals? There’s not an unlimited well for that type of stuff. Are you aware how costly a trip to the emergency room costs? Who do you think pays for that?

[Horza]

According to a report from The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, they pay a hefty amount of state and local tax, just like other people living in the United States. Collectively, America's undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.64 billion in state and local taxes every year with at least 50 percent of undocumented immigrant households filing tax returns. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/10/06/how-much-tax-do-americas-undocumented-immigrants-actually-pay-infographic)

[Teppler]

According to a report from The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, they pay a hefty amount of state and local tax, just like other people living in the United States. Collectively, America's undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.64 billion in state and local taxes every year with at least 50 percent of undocumented immigrant households filing tax returns. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/10/06/how-much-tax-do-americas-undocumented-immigrants-actually-pay-infographic)

lol

I think we can be a little more detailed than that.

https://www.fairus.org/sites/default/files/2017-09/Fiscal-Burden-of-Illegal-Immigration-2017.pdf

Total Fiscal Burden of Illegal Aliens on U.S. Taxpayers:
$115,894,597,664

I'd laugh at you for getting it so wrong but clearly the joke is on me here because who is paying this?

[tinklepee]

Simping for illegal aliens in 2019 lmao

[Horza]

lol

I think we can be a little more detailed than that.

https://www.fairus.org/sites/default/files/2017-09/Fiscal-Burden-of-Illegal-Immigration-2017.pdf

Total Fiscal Burden of Illegal Aliens on U.S. Taxpayers:
$115,894,597,664

I'd laugh at you for getting it so wrong but clearly the joke is on me here because who is paying this?

I'm sure that locking their children up in private prisons owned by Trump's campaign donors is incredibly expensive.

[tinklepee]

We should put them in cannons and shoot them back across the border

[Horza]

www.fairus.org

FAIR was founded in 1979 by the pro-eugenics ophthalmologist John Tanton. In 1986 Tanton wrote memos to FAIR colleagues—which became known as the WITAN memos—predicting a "Latin onslaught" and worried that high Latino birth rates and low US birthrates would lead "the present majority to hand over its political power to a group that is simply more fertile." He asked, "What are the differences in educability between Hispanics (with their 50% dropout rate) and Asiatics (with their excellent school records and long tradition of scholarship)?" The memos were leaked to the press in 1988. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform)

Teppler, could you explain to us why so many white supremacists seem to have an Asian fetish?

[Horza]

A Latino man who worked for a Washington-based organization that advocates for limiting immigration has reached a settlement with the group after saying he encountered racism in the workplace. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/latino-man-reaches-settlement-with-immigration-reform-group-where-he-worked/2019/02/21/ffa82e4c-3161-11e9-bf3c-f0ee4279a091_story.html)

Joe Gomez, a former employee of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which has been labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, quit the job last year and filed a complaint with the D.C. Office of Human Rights over what he described as a toxic work environment. According to the complaint, Gomez—the only Latino working for the group—joined to help the organization seek immigration reform but found a workplace where racial slurs were commonplace.

:eek:

[tinklepee]

SPLC going to have half the country labelled a hate group soon with their new chic-fil-a bucks

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/VuTZPLy.jpg

[Horza]

Jimjam and Domo, if you want to understand America in 2019 then just look at my previous post.

[Teppler]

Jimjam and Domo, if you want to understand America in 2019 then just look at my previous post.

Na, that's just liberal twitterverse.

[Horza]

The Daily Mail is very conservative.

[tinklepee]

No meaningful difference tbh

[Teppler]

No meaningful difference tbh

These guys still flip out about fox news like its much different than CNN.

Horza's also misleading as usual too when he says conservative. It's UK conservative. All their parties are liberal there.

[Horza]

Teppler, could you explain to us why so many white supremacists seem to have an Asian fetish?

The model-minority myth exists alongside another dangerous and limiting idea — one that is consistent with the alt-right’s misogyny and core anti-feminist values. The main problem with white women, as many alt-right Asian fetishists have noted, is they’ve become too feminist. By contrast, Asian women are seen as naturally inclined to serve men sexually and are also thought of as slim, light-skinned and small, in adherence to Western norms of femininity.

These stereotypes have roots in America’s postwar military incursions into Asia. In Japan, a network of brothels permitted by American officials opened as United States troops began arriving in August 1945. The brothels employed tens of thousands of women until Gen. Douglas MacArthur declared them off limits in 1946.

In South Korea, an estimated 300,000 women were working in the sex trade by 1958 (after the end of the Korean War), with more than half employed in the “camptowns” around the American bases. Vietnam’s sex industry, centered largely on American bars, thrived during the Vietnam War, and the stereotype of docile Asian women persists. Nowhere is this more explicit than in sex ads and online pornography.

Fascinating stuff. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/alt-right-asian-fetish.html)

[Teppler]

Getting very racial again Horza. Why do you care so much?

[tinklepee]

Lmao wtf who reads this shit

[Horza]

Getting very racial again Horza. Why do you care so much?

Don't cite statistics from a think tank that was founded by a eugenicist with an Asian fetish if you don't want things to get racial?

[solleks]

Tldr : white supremacists are multi cultural. Very nice!

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/l2mV8CZ.jpg

[Wonkie]

You ever take an economics course? Let’s have a discussion :D this is what I have a degree in.

We're already near full employment under Tump

And that's a bad thing

[feniin]

Feniin let’s start with the fact that lower up to middle class wages have not risen in over 30 years when you adjust for inflation. With all the technology increases that have made increased production, there’s been no increase for the lower class. There’s been great increase for the upper class during this time.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

Let’s consider an example here. Town A has 1 painter. Someone needs their house painted. This 1 painter has a standard rate and he gets paid a great wage he can largely dictate because no one else is competing.

But then they get another painter. This second painter starts looking for work and will work for a little less money. But still, with 2 painters there’s enough work for both of them to live.

But how about 5 painters in the area? 10? 50? Then say 40 of them come from a war torn country, they fled and now they will work under minimum wage laws and it doesn’t matter if they get caught.

The 1st painters lost their economy. Instead of having a ladder into the middle class, maybe leveraging success into investment or painting business and then eventually the upper class, it turned into a bunch crabs that need to compete for jobs that underpay.

This is the destruction that happens when you have an unlimited lower class that will work under minimum wage laws.

Sounds like there needs to be enforcement on the employer, not the employee. Free market and all.

[tinklepee]

Enjoyed some of muh free market today. Watched an elderly couple get stomped to death by a group of 'teens' at Best Buy. God Bless America!

[Horza]

Ohio bill orders doctors to complete medically impossible procedure or face 'abortion murder' charges. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/29/ohio-extreme-abortion-bill-reimplant-ectopic-pregnancy)

[solleks]

P sure japs are better at literally everything anyways

[solleks]

Except dippin and being big

[Tethler]

Fascinating stuff. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/alt-right-asian-fetish.html)

The typical stereotype of docile, subservient Japanese women has not at all been my experience in Japan. It's possible it was that way in the past, but modern Japanese women for the most part have a much greater degree of agency than past generations.

I don't know about other places in asia, but Japan at least, seems to not be that way anymore.

[Horza]

The typical stereotype of docile, subservient Japanese women has not at all been my experience in Japan. It's possible it was that way in the past, but modern Japanese women for the most part have a much greater degree of agency than past generations.

I don't know about other places in asia, but Japan at least, seems to not be that way anymore.

According to the article most of the Japanese women that American soldiers would have interacted with were sex workers, so that's probably at least part of the reason they were seen as docile and subservient women at the time.

[Tethler]

According to the article most of the Japanese women that American soldiers would have interacted with were sex workers, so that's probably at least part of the reason they were seen as docile and subservient women at the time.

Good point

[Jimjam]

https://i.imgur.com/VuTZPLy.jpg

Jimjam and Domo, if you want to understand America in 2019 then just look at my previous post.

What is chick filler? Is that like a porn empire? Is big old fake butt doing real porn now?

Edit: who is tank driving Kris?

[Tethler]

What is chick filler?

It's a fried chicken fast food chain for fats. The owner is a homophobe, too.

[Jimjam]

It's a fried chicken fast food chain for fats. The owner is a homophobe, too.

I don't think thats made its way to the UK yet.

Edit: as in the chicken place brand. Pretty sure we have some good old homophones here.

[Teppler]

Those nasty homophobes and racists, the real evil facing society.... not the elites and bankers that are robbing you blind every day.

[Jimjam]

Why not both?

Asshole gonna asshole.

[Teppler]

Why not both?

Asshole gonna asshole.

Because blaming the common people for doing common people things is retarded?

It's actually even a little bit more sinister than that. Building a multicultural society that is an inevitable powder keg ready to explode is a tactic by elites that keeps regular common people fighting each other instead of looking at the high crimes of the elites.

Jimjam finds himself doing work for the elites again. This is why I find it offensive when you say we are the same type of guy.

[feniin]

Because blaming the common people for doing common people things is retarded?

It's actually even a little bit more sinister than that. Building a multicultural society that is an inevitable powder keg ready to explode is a tactic by elites that keeps regular common people fighting each other instead of looking at the high crimes of the elites.

Jimjam finds himself doing work for the elites again. This is why I find it offensive when you say we are the same type of guy.

Doubling down on the racism instead of just saying both are bad? :rolleyes:

[Teppler]

Doubling down on the racism instead of just saying both are bad? :rolleyes:

Again, I don't blame the common people for doing common people stuff. You can only pack so many different tribal people in a small place and stir identity politics so much before bombs inevitably explode. It's not the common people's fault. They are struggling to get by. It's the elites putting us in this position and forcing us to fight each other. Feniin another one who loves these distracting battles about racism and having to stop homophobes instead of identifying and fighting the elites. While you are screeching about homophobes and racism this is happening-

https://i.imgur.com/kZZ23MF.png

And then you mock people like me bringing it up. I would say that is pure evil.

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/CsiMTaZ.png

[feniin]

Again, I don't blame the common people for doing common people stuff. You can only pack so many different tribal people in a small place and stir identity politics so much before bombs inevitably explode. It's not the common people's fault. They are struggling to get by. It's the elites putting us in this position and forcing us to fight each other. Feniin another one who loves these distracting battles about racism and having to stop homophobes instead of identifying and fighting the elites. While you are screeching about homophobes and racism this is happening-

https://i.imgur.com/kZZ23MF.png

And then you mock people like me bringing it up. I would say that is pure evil.
Literally everything you're complaining about is the result of Conservative policy since Nixon.

[Teppler]

Literally everything you're complaining about is the result of Conservative policy since Nixon.

Dude shut the fuck up about who did what.

Do something about it instead of arguing in ways that helps them.

[Horza]

You can only pack so many different tribal people in a small place and stir identity politics so much before bombs inevitably explode. It's not the common people's fault. They are struggling to get by. It's the elites putting us in this position and forcing us to fight each other.

https://i.imgur.com/ajgPXTE.gif

[feniin]

Dude shut the fuck up about who did what.

Do something about it instead of arguing in ways that helps them.

Stop voting for Conservatives if you care about any of the things you keep bringing up. Guessing you don't and you just want to deflect from your racism and homophobia.

[Zeboim]

Dude shut the fuck up about who did what.

Do something about it instead of arguing in ways that helps them.


We're trying but you keep electing these assholes that venerate Regan as god and declare they must follow in his holy footsteps.

[Teppler]

Stop voting for Conservatives if you care about any of the things you keep bringing up. Guessing you don't and you just want to deflect from your racism and homophobia.

Who is voting for open borders and against a border wall? Who is in control of sanctuary cities?

Conservatives can be varying forms of bad on immigration and open border issues but it’s almost completely democrats now with sanctuary cities and currently voting against border controls.

Reagan was one of the ones who kicked it off. He theorized illegal immigrant Mexicans were natural republicans and that’s how he sold it. Oops turns out they are hyper left wingers and vote to turn their new country into the one they just fled while our low class gets abused by the giant work force that will work under minimum wage. Regan lied to the American conservative public, his base, and has done irreparable damage.

The low class cries because of Reagan’s lies.

This isn’t a republican democrat issue but an establishment issue. Democrats are the worst offenders of it modern day. Establishment republicans don’t mind it. You guys are trying to figure out why people support Trump and this is why. No other politician wanted to touch this topic in 2016. Trump w

[Horza]

Republican congressional candidate Danielle Stella stands by tweets saying Rep. Ilhan Omar should be 'hanged.' (https://www.newsweek.com/republican-candidate-danielle-stella-stands-tweets-rep-ilhan-omar-should-hanged-1474870)

[DMN]

Republican congressional candidate Danielle Stella stands by tweets saying Rep. Ilhan Omar should be 'hanged.' (https://www.newsweek.com/republican-candidate-danielle-stella-stands-tweets-rep-ilhan-omar-should-hanged-1474870)

You forgot the "if it's proven she is a traitor/spy".

And she should be.

[Teppler]

We're trying but you keep electing these assholes that venerate Regan as god and declare they must follow in his holy footsteps.

Establishment loves Reagan. There’s tons of conservatives who despise him. Reagan opened the border. Trump is trying to close it down. Trump rising up shows a rejection of what Reagan stood for. There’s a lot of conservatives fighting against those “holy footsteps”, you should support us.

[Horza]

You forgot the "if it's proven she is a traitor/spy".

And she should be.

There's absolutely no evidence that she is working for the Qataris or Iranians and threatening a member of Congress is a serious crime.

[Teppler]

There's absolutely no evidence that she is working for the Qataris or Iranians and threatening a member of Congress is a serious crime.

That's if you threaten a congress person with violence. Threatening that they should have to pay consequences for their crimes is not a serious crime or crime at all.

But lots of crazy people think criticizing an establishment elite is illegal and should be jail worthy.

[Horza]

There are no crimes other than the threats that got her banned from Twitter, stop getting your news from Q.

[Teppler]

I didn't realize twitter prosecutes crimes.

Absolutely based-

https://i.imgur.com/RzqjHrA.jpg

Yes the punishment for treason is hanging. Sorry Horza. Ilan should be sentenced to death if she's guilty of treason. Did I just commit a crime?

[Zeboim]

Establishment loves Reagan. There’s tons of conservatives who despise him. Reagan opened the border. Trump is trying to close it down. Trump rising up shows a rejection of what Reagan stood for. There’s a lot of conservatives fighting against those “holy footsteps”, you should support us.

On one issue.

Starve the Beast and the Reagan tax cuts + the trickledown fetish they started (which even other conservatives at the time thought was madness) have done far more damage to the working class than immigrants.

You're blaming a symptom not the illness.

[Horza]

I've been outspoken about HRC crime family, BH0, S0R0S and others as well.

Why does she keep using 0 instead of the letter O, is that a chan thing?

[Zeboim]

Also saying that Catholic Hispanics are natural left wing extremists is legitimately the funniest shit.

[Teppler]

On one issue.

Starve the Beast and the Reagan tax cuts + the trickledown fetish they started (which even other conservatives at the time thought was madness) have done far more damage to the working class than immigrants.

You're blaming a symptom not the illness.

I’m sorry but you’re wrong. How is anyone supposed to make it up the economic ladder when there’s hordes of people that will do your same job for pennies on the dollar. And they use the emergency room and our schools and the rest of our infrastructure for free. And its often criminals fleeing persecution.

Tax cuts and trickle down economics has its use. Illegal immigration doesn’t. Anything that can be accomplished with illegal immigration can be accomplished with regular immigration.

That being said, Reagan was an elite for the elite. He tricked the common people. We know that with better information now. We know the destructive quality of it. Most of us fight against it now. It’s become a big liberal and Romney type republican issue to destroy the American lower class with illegal immigration.

[Teppler]

Also saying that Catholic Hispanics are natural left wing extremists is legitimately the funniest shit.

Jokes on you then because thats simply the facts of how they vote. They might not be left wing extremists but they vote extremely heavily democrat and continue to vote for open borders and all sorts of welfare and entitlement programs.

[Horza]

And they use the emergency room and our schools and the rest of our infrastructure for free.

More lies, and we just went over this.

According to a report from The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, they pay a hefty amount of state and local tax, just like other people living in the United States. Collectively, America's undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.64 billion in state and local taxes every year with at least 50 percent of undocumented immigrant households filing tax returns. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/10/06/how-much-tax-do-americas-undocumented-immigrants-actually-pay-infographic)

[Zeboim]

They vote against you because you treat them like this, fyi.

I’m sorry but you’re wrong. How is anyone supposed to make it up the economic ladder when there’s hordes of people that will do your same job for pennies on the dollar. And they use the emergency room and our schools and the rest of our infrastructure for free. And its often criminals fleeing persecution.


Setting the general racism and falsehoods aside, if anyone actually cared about fixing this problem we would simply enact stricter laws about E-verify and punish the people who actually hire the illegals.

But we won't, because the whole issue is a dog and pony show.

[Domo]

Teppler is scared.
Proof that propaganda works.
sad!

[tinklepee]

The idea that the right can win over minorities by pandering to them is hilarious.

[Teppler]

They vote against you because you treat them like this, fyi.



Setting the general racism and falsehoods aside, if anyone actually cared about fixing this problem we would simply enact stricter laws about E-verify and punish the people who actually hire the illegals.

But we won't, because the whole issue is a dog and pony show.

Like I should be pleading for an illegal immigrants vote? Them being here at all is a crime.

No it’s not as simple as enacting stricter laws. Every democrat votes together to keep open borders and some establishment republican shit bag like Mitt Romney eventually joins them.

[Teppler]

The idea that the right can win over minorities by pandering to them is hilarious.

It’s like asking someone mugging you if they could please stop. I’m sure they will listen to you as they are committing a crime.

[Horza]

Their children definitely vote, and I have a suspicion your racist rhetoric is the reason they refuse to support your party of choice.

[Teppler]

This all outlines how much these democrats hate America.

They absolutely hate the idea of America knowing who is coming in and having a choice about who to accept or not.

It’s a viewpoint where they take advantage of America. Where they act like Americas tax revenue is for the entire world to enjoy and not for the betterment of America and Americans.

[Zeboim]

The idea that the right can win over minorities by pandering to them is hilarious.

You don't have to pander to them.

Treating them like people instead of screaming about them like they're animals and blaming them for all of your problems is a good start. Especially with Hispanics, who have a quite conservative and community oriented culturally. But once you start to make them scapegoats for our own self inflicted wounds you drive then away pretty effectively.

[Teppler]

You don't have to pander to them.

Treating them like people instead of screaming about them like they're animals and blaming them for all of your problems is a good start. Especially with Hispanics, who have a quite conservative and community oriented culturally. But once you start to make them scapegoats for our own self inflicted wounds you drive then away pretty effectively.

That’s great for Hispanic immigrants. Illegal immigrants are committing a crime by being here and stealing. And you want to get down on your knees and beg for their help while they do that. Sickening treason.

[Horza]

And you want to get down on your knees and beg for their help while they do that. Sickening treason.

Careful, Zeboim. He may try to have you hanged.

[galach]

Anyone else want to eat a suspension?


STOP PERSONAL ATTACKS

[Teppler]

We could probably have a decent discussion now.

Morally, illegal immigration is wrong. We have legal means where we can track foreigners that want to come in. They go through a process where they learn about america and pay their dues. This makes them invested. Having open borders is chaos and destructive. This also allows to take in who we want, when we want. How is that not the best situation for America? Do we not have needy low class Americans of our own that need to be taken care of?

[Zeboim]

That’s great for Hispanic immigrants. Illegal immigrants are committing a crime by being here and stealing. And you want to get down on your knees and beg for their help while they do that. Sickening treason.

They come because of the demand for their services.

They, like immigrants always have been, are a function of the labor market. Take steps in the labor market to resolve it or it never will be. Mischaracterizing all Dems as wanting open borders just tosses this argument to the dogs and stupidity. As long as people can hire illegals, get caught doing it and the illegal be punished instead of them they will always be lured by the opportunities no matter how many useless walls you build both physical and legal.

[Wonkie]

Anyone else want to eat a suspension?


STOP PERSONAL ATTACKS

no mods, no masters

[tinklepee]

America First!

Our country isn't an incubator for foreigners. :cool:

[Zeboim]

America First!

Our country isn't an incubator for foreigners. :cool:

You ever actually cracked open a history book on our country or are you being sarcastic, I legitimately can't tell any more.

[Wonkie]

12018

[tinklepee]

History? I think you mean HERstory.

[Teppler]

You ever actually cracked open a history book on our country or are you being sarcastic, I legitimately can't tell any more.

Do you think America would be able to sustain itself in that position.

Imagine a restaurant is hiring. They fill the position. Does it make sense to keep screeching about wanting a job and being owed one because they were hiring at some point?

America took in countless immigrants because we needed laborers. We don’t need laborers anymore. Why do you want to flood our lower class with laborers. I just got done explaining how destructive that is to the lower class.

[Jimjam]

Because blaming the common people for doing common people things is retarded?

It's actually even a little bit more sinister than that. Building a multicultural society that is an inevitable powder keg ready to explode is a tactic by elites that keeps regular common people fighting each other instead of looking at the high crimes of the elites.

Jimjam finds himself doing work for the elites again. This is why I find it offensive when you say we are the same type of guy.no different to blaming rich people for doing rich people things... Can't let them all off the hook.

[tinklepee]

It's racist if we don't take 6 million immigrants every year. I mean it might be a bad idea but at least it ain't a racist one.

[Teppler]

no different to blaming rich people for doing rich people things... Can't let them all off the hook.

Yes it is because the rich elites rarely face consequences for their crimes. Common people have a tight leash. Elites don’t. We find you defending the rich and elites again Jim.

[Zeboim]

Do you think America would be able to sustain itself in that position.

Imagine a restaurant is hiring. They fill the position. Does it make sense to keep screeching about wanting a job and being owed one because they were hiring at some point?

America took in countless immigrants because we needed laborers. We don’t need laborers anymore. Why do you want to flood our lower class with laborers. I just got done explaining how destructive that is to the lower class.

Bad analogy because we absolutely need laborers that will work for below minimum wage. We need them because companies cant compete with each other if they don't hire such immigrants. Making it worse for the immigrants is not going to change that - what will make it go away is removing the demand for sub minimum wage labor by illegal immigrants by making the enforcement against business owners employing them have teeth.

As long as the demand exists, they will come. It is too lucrative for them not to. That's why the Right is incapable of making any real headway on this process. The disease is your master and wants you to hate the symptom. It's the same shit with H1Bs etc.

[Jimjam]

Yes it is because the rich elites rarely face consequences for their crimes. Common people have a tight leash. Elites don’t. We find you defending the rich and elites again Jim.

No, i'm saying they should be persecuted.

[Jimjam]

No, i'm saying they should be persecuted.

I'm you Teppler.

[tinklepee]

If we build the wall we could dangle CEOs from it. In Minecraft on xbox lol not in real life!